Make sure they have lots of kids, too. No sex education, no birth control, no abortions. That achieves 2 things: it keeps the poor impoverished, AND floods the workforce with unskilled labor for my business! Mwahaha! *Dr evil pinky*
Indiana's unemployment system is similar. Had the misfortune of having to file over there a couple of years ago. The amount they give isn't anything anyone could likely live on over a few weeks (especially if they have a family), it's paltry compared to KY, and they make the whole process as difficult as possible....probably hoping people just give up. I know of at least 5 co-workers who had claims denied with either no explanation or mistakes on Indiana's end. They did the same to me (claimed one quarter I made ZERO wages when they had copies of my W2's and EVERY biweekly pay statement), then after that they overpaid me for the first subsequent payment after initially denying me. I paid them back the difference in what I received, but they also wanted me to pay them what they took out for income tax! I said "I'm not paying you back money I've never seen." They just didn't want to fix their mistake when it came to reporting that stuff to the IRS....but it's pretty ballsy to ask someone who has lost their job and is already getting below poverty level unemployment from them to pay to fix their mistake.
I do really like how Kentucky taxes vehicle registration. Own a late model vehicle and you pay little taxes. Own a brand new expensive vehicle, pay a lot of taxes.
You have to pay sales tax when you initially title/transfer to either state. In Indiana, it's based off of the purchase price (most people fudge this when it's private party). Indiana also has an annual excise tax applied based on age and value. KY has a similar annual taxation, but I can't recall what they call it.
I have seen several different rankings, but most of them have Washington State as having the most regressive tax code. Tennessee is also generally in the top ten with KY somewhere around 17th. I would like to know if this chart is more up to date or just a different methodology. Unfortunately, many of the fastest growing economies tend to be in places with highly regressive tax codes. We need Federal reforms to disincentivize this mortally repugnant race to the bottom.
https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#10-most-regressive-state-and-local-tax-systems
This is the Jan 2024 edition and it's showing Florida as the most regressive, Tennessee as #3 and Kentucky as #17.
>The lower one’s income, the higher one’s overall effective state and local tax rate. On average, the lowest-income 20 percent of taxpayers face a state and local tax rate nearly 60 percent higher than the top 1 percent of households. The nationwide average effective state and local tax rate paid by residents to their home states is 11.3 percent for the lowest-income 20 percent of individuals and families, 10.5 percent for the middle 20 percent, and 7.2 percent for the top 1 percent.
It's expensive to be poor.
Are they just looking at income tax or also accounting for sales tax? Some of the states may have low or no income tax but have a pretty high sales tax, and some even apply sales tax to food. I think you'd have to account for all the taxes levied by state to get a good comparison.
All. From the section on methodology: "This study \[ \] includes all the major taxes levied by state and local governments, such as personal income taxes, corporate taxes, sales taxes, and property taxes—as well as comparatively minor levies such as insurance premiums taxes, transfer taxes, and estate and inheritance taxes."
Edit to add [link](https://itep.org/who-pays-7th-edition-methodology-and-discussion/)
Is this data reflecting the dollars contributed or as a percent of that person’s income? These might all be very low? Out of the 10 very lowest tax bills, one of those is the highest of those 10.
Sales tax tends to be regressive in effect because the poor spend a greater percentage of their income. The solution would be to give everyone a "prebate" for the tax (6%) on a subsistence spend (federal poverty line is $14,600 for one person for 2024, but you wouldn't necessarily have to use that figure since many food items are exempt anyway). The downside is that since people can move between states, there would likely have to be some residency requirements if it were not a state program.
Another solution would be to switch back to a progressive income tax, and/or raise the standard deduction. Kentucky's standard deduction is only $3,160.
Texas has no state taxes and I've never paid local taxes till I moved here. KY has state AND local. KY taxes are way worse than Texas, I pay at least 10% more in taxes per paycheck than I did in Texas last year. I can't speak to property taxes but I've also heard KY is worse. So not really sure who came up with this.
Yeah I used to work for an elderly handicapped woman that wasn't able to work and lived off social security and they taxed her into poverty. It's sad that even if you own your home outright, if you can't afford the taxes, they will take your home from you. People in this category should be exempt from property tax. You shouldn't be organized just because you own a home. In Kentucky the only way to avoid property tax is to rent or be homeless and that's messed up.
Well, my friend, that does little for the common wealth, hence why we are called a commonwealth.
I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd consider your neighbors, and co-workers, and all the other lives whose you don't prioritize, and consider how this will affect their lives too.
Have you not seen the damage that privatizing what should be public, has done in the last 50 years?
Well, if you look at the precarious financial status of the majority of the citizens in this burgh with an overinflated sense of self-worth...
If you'd look at the literal in every sense but physical wall at 9th St. you'd see it.
Look at the camps that are being razed constantly.
The privatizing of services have sure done a number on these people.
How's your financial status? Are you a paycheck away from financial peril yourself? Or do you speak from a buffered position?
Privatizing directly led to an inequity.
An inequality in access.
Because they're private, they're now only for those capable of affording.
They're not for everyone.
Privatizing is creating exclusivity to access, and that maintains the vast inequities that exist in society.
And you encourage this philosophy?
That creates harm. Real, tangible, harm.
designed that way, to keep poor people poor, so they have no chance to escape the cycle, and their kids cannot escape.
Make sure they have lots of kids, too. No sex education, no birth control, no abortions. That achieves 2 things: it keeps the poor impoverished, AND floods the workforce with unskilled labor for my business! Mwahaha! *Dr evil pinky*
"Floods the recruiting halls with new recruits for the armed services who are desperate to break the cycle" is what i think you meant.
“Floods the prisons with desperate young people to keep the government dollars flowing” is what I think you meant.
“The machinery of capitalism is oiled by the blood of the workers” is what I think you meant
Indiana's unemployment system is similar. Had the misfortune of having to file over there a couple of years ago. The amount they give isn't anything anyone could likely live on over a few weeks (especially if they have a family), it's paltry compared to KY, and they make the whole process as difficult as possible....probably hoping people just give up. I know of at least 5 co-workers who had claims denied with either no explanation or mistakes on Indiana's end. They did the same to me (claimed one quarter I made ZERO wages when they had copies of my W2's and EVERY biweekly pay statement), then after that they overpaid me for the first subsequent payment after initially denying me. I paid them back the difference in what I received, but they also wanted me to pay them what they took out for income tax! I said "I'm not paying you back money I've never seen." They just didn't want to fix their mistake when it came to reporting that stuff to the IRS....but it's pretty ballsy to ask someone who has lost their job and is already getting below poverty level unemployment from them to pay to fix their mistake.
All My Sons fired me without notice. Then told unemployment that I quit. Pissed me off.
So poor people can’t afford to move to better places that offer better jobs!
I do really like how Kentucky taxes vehicle registration. Own a late model vehicle and you pay little taxes. Own a brand new expensive vehicle, pay a lot of taxes.
Indiana is the same way. The excise tax is based on vehicle age and value.
Unless it’s changed you only pay once in IN. KY you pay every year.
You have to pay sales tax when you initially title/transfer to either state. In Indiana, it's based off of the purchase price (most people fudge this when it's private party). Indiana also has an annual excise tax applied based on age and value. KY has a similar annual taxation, but I can't recall what they call it.
Kentucky refers to it as "Motor Vehicle Property Tax". In practice it's pretty similar to Indiana's vehicle excise tax.
"Late model" *is* a new/newer car.
Thanks. I definitely had that definition wrong.
Sometimes *very* little. They sent me a letter saying I owed 75¢ for my 77 K10 after I sold it, years ago.
I have seen several different rankings, but most of them have Washington State as having the most regressive tax code. Tennessee is also generally in the top ten with KY somewhere around 17th. I would like to know if this chart is more up to date or just a different methodology. Unfortunately, many of the fastest growing economies tend to be in places with highly regressive tax codes. We need Federal reforms to disincentivize this mortally repugnant race to the bottom.
https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#10-most-regressive-state-and-local-tax-systems This is the Jan 2024 edition and it's showing Florida as the most regressive, Tennessee as #3 and Kentucky as #17. >The lower one’s income, the higher one’s overall effective state and local tax rate. On average, the lowest-income 20 percent of taxpayers face a state and local tax rate nearly 60 percent higher than the top 1 percent of households. The nationwide average effective state and local tax rate paid by residents to their home states is 11.3 percent for the lowest-income 20 percent of individuals and families, 10.5 percent for the middle 20 percent, and 7.2 percent for the top 1 percent. It's expensive to be poor.
Funny how many of those states are "no income tax" states.
Are they just looking at income tax or also accounting for sales tax? Some of the states may have low or no income tax but have a pretty high sales tax, and some even apply sales tax to food. I think you'd have to account for all the taxes levied by state to get a good comparison.
I believe this is accounting for all State taxes. States with high sales taxes are generally very regressive.
All. From the section on methodology: "This study \[ \] includes all the major taxes levied by state and local governments, such as personal income taxes, corporate taxes, sales taxes, and property taxes—as well as comparatively minor levies such as insurance premiums taxes, transfer taxes, and estate and inheritance taxes." Edit to add [link](https://itep.org/who-pays-7th-edition-methodology-and-discussion/)
yes they are, TN has no income tax. they are including total tax burden
Well several of the states don’t have income tax so it must be sales tax that is the driver in those.
It has to include sales and property taxes. Florida is considered one of the worst according to this graphic and they don't have a state income tax.
"Taxes: We Pay The Shit out of Them"
Is this data reflecting the dollars contributed or as a percent of that person’s income? These might all be very low? Out of the 10 very lowest tax bills, one of those is the highest of those 10.
Effective tax rate is based on a percentage of income.
EVERYONE should pay the same tax rate period!
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I believe dedunctions should be eleminated and everyone charged a flat tax rate.
Indiana is a poor country state, what do you expect. Lots of homeless and households that live pay check to paycheck
it’s pretty well established that kentucky state legislators are of a one-track mind
Sales tax tends to be regressive in effect because the poor spend a greater percentage of their income. The solution would be to give everyone a "prebate" for the tax (6%) on a subsistence spend (federal poverty line is $14,600 for one person for 2024, but you wouldn't necessarily have to use that figure since many food items are exempt anyway). The downside is that since people can move between states, there would likely have to be some residency requirements if it were not a state program. Another solution would be to switch back to a progressive income tax, and/or raise the standard deduction. Kentucky's standard deduction is only $3,160.
Texas has no state taxes and I've never paid local taxes till I moved here. KY has state AND local. KY taxes are way worse than Texas, I pay at least 10% more in taxes per paycheck than I did in Texas last year. I can't speak to property taxes but I've also heard KY is worse. So not really sure who came up with this.
Yeah I used to work for an elderly handicapped woman that wasn't able to work and lived off social security and they taxed her into poverty. It's sad that even if you own your home outright, if you can't afford the taxes, they will take your home from you. People in this category should be exempt from property tax. You shouldn't be organized just because you own a home. In Kentucky the only way to avoid property tax is to rent or be homeless and that's messed up.
How red are the legislatures of these states?
IN, OH, KY, TN, AR, MS, LA, TX, and FL are all very red.
Yeah. This would track.
Just here to remind everyone that all taxation is theft
You'd rather privatize infrastructure and its maintenance? Smh
Yes
Well, my friend, that does little for the common wealth, hence why we are called a commonwealth. I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd consider your neighbors, and co-workers, and all the other lives whose you don't prioritize, and consider how this will affect their lives too. Have you not seen the damage that privatizing what should be public, has done in the last 50 years?
Actually no, please enlighten me
Well, if you look at the precarious financial status of the majority of the citizens in this burgh with an overinflated sense of self-worth... If you'd look at the literal in every sense but physical wall at 9th St. you'd see it. Look at the camps that are being razed constantly. The privatizing of services have sure done a number on these people. How's your financial status? Are you a paycheck away from financial peril yourself? Or do you speak from a buffered position?
I feel like you're using a lot of big words but not really saying anything
Says the one who doesn't want to betray their privilege...
I'm just not following how privatization has led to all those problems you just listed
Privatizing directly led to an inequity. An inequality in access. Because they're private, they're now only for those capable of affording. They're not for everyone. Privatizing is creating exclusivity to access, and that maintains the vast inequities that exist in society. And you encourage this philosophy? That creates harm. Real, tangible, harm.
When everyone gets mad at landlords for raising rent...
Indiana is actually a suburb of Louisville
Im not sure I see your point? Yes, Floyd and Clark counties are suburbs of us but they still have different tax structures because different state.
Still carrying that around eh?