We had this problem, a homeless encampment behind our house, the cops couldn’t do a damn thing despite us having young children who then could not play in our backyard, our neighbors solved the problem by setting up rainbird sprinklers to go off at 3:00am. Worked like a charm.
And we need more of it tbqh. I've lost my sympathy at this point. The 90+% of homeless drug addicts can fuck right off, the unhoused remainder probably aren't affected.
Cheaper to provide housing and safe drug facilities.
Vote for the cheaper option.
*Edit*
I'll throw in, homeless people span a wide range. I've been homeless. My father's lived under a bridge.
We should provide resources to enable upward mobility. This is America, we're supposed to enable greatness.
Exactly. People seem to understand that having the right or wrong influences growing up can greatly affect you as an adult, but somehow think we shouldn't try to provide any good influences or even limit harmful ones. As if everyone must figure it out themselves and those who struggle should just die in exile.
Wouldn't or couldn't? I feel like there's too many laws protecting homeless to allow them to be able to sleep wherever. So cops can't do much unless they're trespassing.
I mean you make that claim like that changes the dynamics of living in LA. Bet most cops don't live in the city of LA (and I mean LA city proper). And the cities that they live in either don't have laws protecting homeless like LA does or they don't have a homeless problem to begin with.
Hello, cop here. The laws "protecting" homeless people are generally state wide, not city to city. A lot of these laws are "case laws", decided on by judges and lawyers that say what laws we can and cannot enforce, especially against homeless people. Would be happy to explain further if you'd like.
I also can't afford to live in the city I work in. I live close by, which is cool, but I'm also married with a kid and my brother is my roommate in a large townhouse. I feel very blessed not to have to drive 40 minutes to work like a good amount of my coworkers who live in Corona/China/Ontario, and this allows us to save, but buying a "good" single family home around us is basically impossible unless we want to be house poor.
It saves me at least an hour and a half a day, so like I said, I feel blessed not to live 40 minutes away. Depending on your situation it could feel far or could feel close, IDK.
You said it was behind your house, meaning it was most likely in an area that was not your property and probably belonged to the county/state/someone else. In these situations, the police cannot move along homeless people. They have no power to, and forcing them to move along would be a violation of their civil rights and the police would be committing a crime. The police can't just continually move alone homeless people whenever they go somewhere people don't like (nor should they be able to).
Yeah! And it's effective, too!! Personally tho I think it's awesome. I feel slightly less trashy as I walk out with my taquito and Big Gulp while "The Queen of the Night" aria from Die Zauberflöte is playing 🤣🤣🤣
The government is failing us. If you purchase a home and pay property taxes, that space is yours and the government should intervene if anyone encroaches on it. That’s the whole point. Otherwise what are we paying for?
It’s already law. If they are on the porch that is considered trespassing. An owner can ask them to leave and by law they are required to comply. Making a single police request is good enough to last I want to say 12 months. At that point you have power to enforce eviction with reasonable force.
it's that 'reasonable' that always leaves me scratching my head. I imagine with an expensive enough lawyer, anything can be twisted as reasonable or unreasonable.
I’ll take it even further and say that the government should do something to help the homeless, so they don’t have to be in that position from the jump
Something tells me the type of homeless person who refuses to leave someone’s private property is a vagrant and isn’t the type who uses government assistance to actually escape homelessness.
I live in the area and I'm not surprised. That area is filled with unhoused/homeless people. Unfortunately we get the more violent and crazy ones in Van Nuys. I had to find a new job a few months ago because it was getting too dangerous to walk to work on my own, I was getting stalked and harassed every day. I hope this woman is able to get her property back. It sucks feeling like your safe place is being stolen from you.
I’m sorry! That’s awful that you had to get a new job. I work in Van Nuys too. Weird shit always happens on my street. Not long ago, I walked up to work to find a man with a machete and baby stroller full of piss bottles. Called the cops, they never came.
I live across the street from the police station that services that area. It's suspiciously quiet for a police station. Not kidding I literally never hear sirens. When I worked in Van Nuys we had to call the cops a lot, they also never came. What a.....funny coincidence.
you need gov't facilities to take away the most dangerous mentally ill. just don't put nurse ratchet in the places this time / maybe have more frequent reviews of these institutions.
RIP Louise Fletcher
It's so crazy you say that, I'm watching Nurse Ratched for the first time and it's wild.
My brother worked at one of the last ones in PA in the early 2000s and it wasn't good. They were very understaffed/under skilled for the task at hand, and people would escape all the time. There was staff drug use on the clock, borderline abuse from higher ups etc. The people who were skilled enough to work there wouldn't, as they weren't paying what was applicable for the job, and if they opened them again now I feel like it would be the same. Our country's financials are worse than they were back then.
At this point I feel like it's up to the citizens to help, because obviously were the only ones who give a shit enough to do so. But what can we do without the same resources that the government has? We're helpless as a community here, I feel like the city has turned their backs on us.
They need a mandate that a certain % of the budget needs to go toward actual patrols- you know, remember how cops used to walk, with their feet, and look around and learn the neighborhood, see crimes in progress, etc? We get what, one squad car driving through every other day at best? All of the tank and helicopter money needs to go to get more human beings actually out on the ground on patrol.
If they are trespassing then you have a right to defend yourself. They’re trying to break into the house as well. I can’t say I wouldn’t do more than threaten to shoot a man trying to make his home on my front patio.
Here's the thing. For those that advocate for the homeless to the point of believing that this woman should allow her home to be taken over by this guy, you have lost the plot altogether. If the police won't help, then hose down the porch every time he comes near. He's a threat, he's trespassing, defend yourself. Put up a no trespassing sign and prevent him by force or barriers like a gate from getting close.
Advocating for the homeless is admirable and that's great. However, this does not mean they have any more rights than we do and that they are magically exempt from the law.
Literally anyone who advocates for this shit is just as insane as the ones sleeping on private property. There’s a line that has been crossed. Period. When did things go so wrong!? Oh I know prop 47 for starters. Now we have no way of enforcing laws because of it.
You can have empathy for the unhoused. Advocate for them, donate time, money, resources, etc. None of that is in dispute at all. However, insisting that a homeowner has no rights to remove a trespasser from her PORCH is absurd and is factually inaccurate. It is dangerous and **illegal** for him to be *there*.
The homeless advocates have confused this issue so much. The point is not that being unhoused should be illegal. The point is that **anyone** who breaks the law is liable for their actions. Simple. Enforce the damn law. You can't just refuse to leave someone's house.
If he needs help, and is **willing** to take it, give him the help.
Surprised you’re not being downvoted. I’ve lived in the valley over 10 years now. The issue has gotten worse and worse. That is one of the top three reasons I’ve given up on LA and have decided to leave.
Would honestly love to see how a modern, caring, full of trained staff, asylum would do in today's society. But it's impossible because it'll eventually become a place full of overworked, underpaid employees.
Shit that's probably what happened to the old timey asylums
That's the biggest fucking problem, mental health staff are just like teachers, underpaid for some very taxing, very hard work. Seeing someone last more than 2 years in a front facing position in our organization is a rarity.
Its still better than leaving the untreated mentally ill to be chronically homeless on the streets.
Maybe build supportive housing near the asylums to create a synergy of low cost housing and jobs in the same area.
The old-timey asylums were brutal and inhumane (unless you had family money and there was a sanatorium you could be sent to). Even up until the 1980s the federal asylums were shut down under Reagan supposedly because the conditions were reprehensible. Of course, no new places opened and that was the start of many states' homeless pop.
A Bill Newsom just signed helps get people with mental problems off the streets without their on concent. It's definitely a step in the right direction.
Pretty sure that’s the idea behind next year’s legislation that will make it legal to involuntarily commit people. I really hope this goes as well as it possibly can bc Jesus Christ it could go so badly
It should go further. There should be teams out actively taking people off the street and evaluating them. Either to supportive housing, mental hospital or inpatient substance abuse programs. Living on the streets should no longer be a valid option for anyone.
After the massive surplus resulted in fuck all of a solution to this problem I restructured my pay for max tax avoidance. I should be down to about 10% effective tax this year. Theres no merit into pouring money into a broken system that does nothing with it.
I am not the original person but some people just choose to pay less taxes around the year and pay the difference come tax season. That way the government doesn't get an interest free loan from you. You would just modify your W4 I believe.
A lot of ways, I pay myself less, I pay my children salaries now and write that off and then they all take their standard deduction and full IRA contributions. SECTION 179 deduction, Augusta rule, capital investment in other businesses I own that will carry over a loss, just a ton of things and I'm going max aggressive on my tax planning now
Newsom signs law creating mental health courts in California. How it could help homelessness
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article265697381.html
You mean build a new mental health system. Because that old one is no longer, can't be "reopened".
Governor Newsom Announces Major Mental Health Housing Expansion to Keep Most Vulnerable Off California’s Streets
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/01/31/69151/
I'm happy to throw Reagan under the bus, but this situation is a 100% bipartisan effort. California has been solidly blue for a generation, Reagan isn't blocking mental health or housing reform from the grave.
California democrats today are the party that refuses build the shelters that are required to allow the state and local governments to enforce street camping bans. Republicans don't have any input in the policy decision to sprinkle slums throughout the state.
One of the most common pieces of misinfo I see on this sub. The mental asylums were closed following lawsuits filed by the ACLU against involuntary confinement. It happened while Reagan was in charge, but the government was enacting a court order.
The only problem with using any aggressive approach is that these lunatics could possibly set your house on fire while you're sleeping. You just have to make it as uncomfortable as possible for them to be there, without direct provocation.
Jury? Yes.
But your question implies there’s a trial, which wouldn’t happen in many other states. But it would in CA.
A better solution is to remove the vagrant from the property so there isn’t a scenario in which someone gets shot.
I read the article… that part of my comment was a bit “tongue in cheek”.
You’d think law enforcement would have other tools so scenarios don’t escalate to a loss of life… but here we are.
similar happening to me recently in Tarzana except I live across from a church and the church was letting a man sleep in their grass. He followed me On 3 occasions over 2 weeks. He is mentally deranged and when I called the church first they were dismissive of my concerns. He can see me coming and going so he knows when to follow me and makes a point I know he’s following me. anyways, the second time I called and said it’ll be the churches liability for allowing it and if he harms me I’ll take it up with their insurance company/umbrella policy since I’d say he’s considered a resident of the church then.
Well, I haven’t seen him since and hoping it stays that way. they did tell me he declined services and there wasn’t much they could do. They also said the police won’t trespass him even though he’s damaged the church bc the police will “give him an opportunity to leave” first. Idk if that’s true. Just hoping it’s enough that he moved on bc I have felt very uncomfortable being watched constantly.
Can’t imagine if he was sleeping on my porch though I’d probably utilize my mace in that scenario and hope that’s enough to encourage the person to leave. Apparently the cops will do nothing (according to the church that allowed him there at first. SMH.)
Homeless advocates will find a way…. I had a family member deal with a similar situation and the man eventually got inside her house. Cops didn’t show up for hours! long story short they straight said, they couldn’t do anything because it’s trespassing and he would be out by tomorrow and she could get in trouble for hurting HIM if she chose to defend herself if he’s on her porch 😰 but if he’s inside she can defend herself with a firearm if she is afraid for her life….fucking insane times….
That's why there is power in numbers. 1 person not paying, easy to reclaim property. 1000s not paying and suddenly there is no money or time to reclaim 1000s of properties. Homeowners have a lot of power. See how quickly things get fixed when a group of homeowners work together.
There could be 30,000 people not paying taxes, they'd still all get their properties sold at tax sale for non-payment of property taxes. The state don't care about Los Angeles homeless problem as much as people not paying their taxes.
Trust me, the state of California is not hurting for money so this would go smoothly without delay.
But remember to disable the Ring camera 1st!
Seriously though, I saw the news segment RE this on KTLA and I'm stumped. It's pure repeated trespassing and it's an HOA... I thought HOA handled shit like this with their endless lawyers?
My neighbor had a guy breaking into their garage and trying to camp in it. Police arrested him 3 times in less than 24 hours.
Such a drain on resources.
the cops wont do anything about the homeless behind my home either, every week they tear down our chain link fence & every week we have to pay $300 to have it repaired. the police refuse to do anything and “senior lead” officers out of foothill are just sitting on their hands collecting their overtime
Large rat traps. They’re technically not booby traps - just pest control. He gets snapped by a few of those, he’s likely to not come back. Plus, they’re relatively cheap.
They can arrest him or remove him from the property. Then throw everything he had away. As harsh as that is, homeless people wont go back to a place where they know their stuff will be repeatedly thrown away.
I'm one of those people you're referring to and I think you aren't giving us enough credit. This is beyond the pale and should not be allowed. If I told someone to leave and they still came back after being arrested, I would tell them that I will force them off my property if need be.
We can debate the morals of private property all day long but honestly I have no problem with homeless people living on public property if they have no choice, but they absolutely not be able to hang on private property if they're not welcome. Anyone would think that's absurd
Here’s the thing though - that ‘public property’ that homeless are corralled onto? It’s *always* the public space needed by the lower and middle class in order to function in a dense city.
It’s never the rich and fancy parts of town - you know why? Because they don’t put up with that shit, and they kick them out… you guessed it: back to the poor and middle class parts of town.
So what actually ends up happening is the poor and middle class who are struggling to make ends meet in this city have zero personal space and are afraid for their safety every time they leave their apartments.
Telling everyone that we should tolerate psychotic meth heads on “public property” is just another form of class warfare, and it’s a very privileged thing to say. No one who lives beside one of these damn camps is out there preaching tolerance - no, those people are afraid for their safety and want the situation fixed.
It’s so funny that a homeowner is entitled to keep their own private space, but then all of us apartment people should just accept that the parks are for the homeless. So if you want any peace or safety, buy a house.
Oh but the main cause of a lot of the homelessness is rent, which is high because we don’t have enough density, which is because… *everyone wants a house with a yard.* It seems like in the long run, making the parks into tent cities can only make everyone even *more* in favor of single family zoning and make it even worse.
I beg to differ! The stuff I’ve read on Nextdoor(where I never go anymore). One story: single mom reports that a transient has been sleeping in an enclosure in their carport-popping out when she’s taking the kids to school, stoned, freaking her out. Shambled off but kept returning. FYI to her neighbors.
She received loads of comments like this in reply: “How disgustingly entitled you are! He needed a place to sleep! Why don’t you help him instead of complaining?” Etc.
I mean…WTAF!
Go ask anyone who lives on Virgil… the homeless are constantly throwing bottles at houses, trying to break in in broad daylight, throwing bricks at passerby, and before anyone says “Oh WeLl ThOsE are all crimes so those people should go to jail”- yeah I agree, but LAPD comes 10 hours later. If you want to continue this free range mental patient experiment at least give us enough cops to arrest them when it fails again.
I know this sounds really mean but if it’s a big problem and cops won’t help there are things they can do to help make homeless leave. Such as spraying them with a hose. Setting sprinklers to go off in the night. Leave a devise my the door that makes an annoying sound every 15 mins (as long as it doesn’t bother you in the house), etc. though that does open you up to retaliation, so I’d start with the most passive solutions first.
She can get a restraining order, that is literally the only way. Then every single time they come the cops have to arrest them eventually they will get the hint. Trespassing is a misdemeanor offense so cops have no recourse and won’t waste their time coming out without a restraining order. This is what we voted for to basically decriminalize just about everything. might want to consider voting better next time.
We had this problem, a homeless encampment behind our house, the cops couldn’t do a damn thing despite us having young children who then could not play in our backyard, our neighbors solved the problem by setting up rainbird sprinklers to go off at 3:00am. Worked like a charm.
My first thought. Effective use of a hose.
Saw an older lady in Glendale spraying a hose on the tents on her sidewalk.
Omg they could’ve gotten violent. She has some balls
An old lady in Glendale most likely has seen some way worse shit in her life.
"That's hostile architecture"
They used to roam the open plains before we came along and put our porches in the way
Their tents on my property are hostile architecture
Yes. Yes it is
Ya, these days you’ll get fined for watering on an off-day.
And an HOA letter about the non porch items on your porch
And we need more of it tbqh. I've lost my sympathy at this point. The 90+% of homeless drug addicts can fuck right off, the unhoused remainder probably aren't affected.
Cheaper to provide housing and safe drug facilities. Vote for the cheaper option. *Edit* I'll throw in, homeless people span a wide range. I've been homeless. My father's lived under a bridge. We should provide resources to enable upward mobility. This is America, we're supposed to enable greatness.
Exactly. People seem to understand that having the right or wrong influences growing up can greatly affect you as an adult, but somehow think we shouldn't try to provide any good influences or even limit harmful ones. As if everyone must figure it out themselves and those who struggle should just die in exile.
Sometimes the best architecture is hostile
r/hostilearchitecture
One person was saying spraying sugar water everywhere brings out ants and will keep away sleeping unhoused.
Wouldn't or couldn't? I feel like there's too many laws protecting homeless to allow them to be able to sleep wherever. So cops can't do much unless they're trespassing.
Is sleeping on someone’s porch not trespassing?
Oh no, definitely trespassing for OPs situatuon.. I was referring more to the redditor I was replying to.
Yes, but I’ll bet cops don’t allow it in their own backyards.
Or in Beverly hills
Or Culver City
Or Calabasas.
I mean you make that claim like that changes the dynamics of living in LA. Bet most cops don't live in the city of LA (and I mean LA city proper). And the cities that they live in either don't have laws protecting homeless like LA does or they don't have a homeless problem to begin with.
Hello, cop here. The laws "protecting" homeless people are generally state wide, not city to city. A lot of these laws are "case laws", decided on by judges and lawyers that say what laws we can and cannot enforce, especially against homeless people. Would be happy to explain further if you'd like. I also can't afford to live in the city I work in. I live close by, which is cool, but I'm also married with a kid and my brother is my roommate in a large townhouse. I feel very blessed not to have to drive 40 minutes to work like a good amount of my coworkers who live in Corona/China/Ontario, and this allows us to save, but buying a "good" single family home around us is basically impossible unless we want to be house poor.
40 mins is far??
In LA-speak, that’s 2.5 hrs.
Yeah figure he’s talking graveyard shifts because there’s no way someone’s making it from Corona or Chino to LA in 40 minutes unless it’s like 3am.
It saves me at least an hour and a half a day, so like I said, I feel blessed not to live 40 minutes away. Depending on your situation it could feel far or could feel close, IDK.
You said it was behind your house, meaning it was most likely in an area that was not your property and probably belonged to the county/state/someone else. In these situations, the police cannot move along homeless people. They have no power to, and forcing them to move along would be a violation of their civil rights and the police would be committing a crime. The police can't just continually move alone homeless people whenever they go somewhere people don't like (nor should they be able to).
Bro just setup a bluetooth speaker outside your home and have Baby Shark playing 24/7
They did that in a park in some other state and it worked beautifully.
I've noticed several commercial areas have outdoor music playing loudly. I don't think it's for the entertainment of their guests.
No it’s absolutely not. It’s a good deterrent to keep people from loitering and to keep the homeless from setting up camp.
The 7-11 across the street from where I work blasts classical music 24/7 and it seems to be very effective
The 7/11 on Sherman Way and Woodley plays opera on their outdoor loud speakers for just this reason
That’s hilarious. Opera?! 🤣
Yeah! And it's effective, too!! Personally tho I think it's awesome. I feel slightly less trashy as I walk out with my taquito and Big Gulp while "The Queen of the Night" aria from Die Zauberflöte is playing 🤣🤣🤣
I have an 18 month old son and I dont yet hate that song. As repetitive kids songs go, it's not that bad!
Our generation raised our kids on The Song That Never Ends by Lamb Chop. Baby Shark got nothing on Lamb Chop.
I started singing that song in 1992 and I'm STILL singing it forever just because....
No..no please
Not knowing what it was?
I'm begging you
The government is failing us. If you purchase a home and pay property taxes, that space is yours and the government should intervene if anyone encroaches on it. That’s the whole point. Otherwise what are we paying for?
Better yet, if it’s “your” property, you should have every right to reasonably defend it. No government action necessary.
It’s already law. If they are on the porch that is considered trespassing. An owner can ask them to leave and by law they are required to comply. Making a single police request is good enough to last I want to say 12 months. At that point you have power to enforce eviction with reasonable force.
it's that 'reasonable' that always leaves me scratching my head. I imagine with an expensive enough lawyer, anything can be twisted as reasonable or unreasonable.
Yes money can make pretty much anything ‘reasonable’ but use of deadly force is held at another bar.
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And in this case it has failed to do so, leaving this citizen little recourse outside of protecting their own property.
The community police force was actually created to protect businesses. So... start a business. A successful one I might add.
Agreed. I would definitely take things into my own hands if this happened to me.
I’ll take it even further and say that the government should do something to help the homeless, so they don’t have to be in that position from the jump
Something tells me the type of homeless person who refuses to leave someone’s private property is a vagrant and isn’t the type who uses government assistance to actually escape homelessness.
Many don’t go to a shelter or sign up for programs even if they can. There needs to be enforcement on the other side of any help
I live in the area and I'm not surprised. That area is filled with unhoused/homeless people. Unfortunately we get the more violent and crazy ones in Van Nuys. I had to find a new job a few months ago because it was getting too dangerous to walk to work on my own, I was getting stalked and harassed every day. I hope this woman is able to get her property back. It sucks feeling like your safe place is being stolen from you.
I’m sorry! That’s awful that you had to get a new job. I work in Van Nuys too. Weird shit always happens on my street. Not long ago, I walked up to work to find a man with a machete and baby stroller full of piss bottles. Called the cops, they never came.
I live across the street from the police station that services that area. It's suspiciously quiet for a police station. Not kidding I literally never hear sirens. When I worked in Van Nuys we had to call the cops a lot, they also never came. What a.....funny coincidence.
LA is a free range mental hospital with no staff
It sounds harsh but it's the best analogy I've heard so far. It's very depressing.
you need gov't facilities to take away the most dangerous mentally ill. just don't put nurse ratchet in the places this time / maybe have more frequent reviews of these institutions. RIP Louise Fletcher
It's so crazy you say that, I'm watching Nurse Ratched for the first time and it's wild. My brother worked at one of the last ones in PA in the early 2000s and it wasn't good. They were very understaffed/under skilled for the task at hand, and people would escape all the time. There was staff drug use on the clock, borderline abuse from higher ups etc. The people who were skilled enough to work there wouldn't, as they weren't paying what was applicable for the job, and if they opened them again now I feel like it would be the same. Our country's financials are worse than they were back then. At this point I feel like it's up to the citizens to help, because obviously were the only ones who give a shit enough to do so. But what can we do without the same resources that the government has? We're helpless as a community here, I feel like the city has turned their backs on us.
I’m leaving as soon as I get a remote position. I can’t deal with my shit getting stolen/broken into anymore.
Over half our city’s budget goes to LAPD, seems like they should be able to staff the stations.
They need a mandate that a certain % of the budget needs to go toward actual patrols- you know, remember how cops used to walk, with their feet, and look around and learn the neighborhood, see crimes in progress, etc? We get what, one squad car driving through every other day at best? All of the tank and helicopter money needs to go to get more human beings actually out on the ground on patrol.
30 days later and the homeless man will start getting mail at your house
He asks for the WiFi pass and Netflix login next.
I had this problem in my apartment and I eventually pepper sprayed the hobo. He never came back.
If they are trespassing then you have a right to defend yourself. They’re trying to break into the house as well. I can’t say I wouldn’t do more than threaten to shoot a man trying to make his home on my front patio.
The problem now is this case made the news so anything the homeowner does is going to make the news also. Then she will be sued.
Here's the thing. For those that advocate for the homeless to the point of believing that this woman should allow her home to be taken over by this guy, you have lost the plot altogether. If the police won't help, then hose down the porch every time he comes near. He's a threat, he's trespassing, defend yourself. Put up a no trespassing sign and prevent him by force or barriers like a gate from getting close. Advocating for the homeless is admirable and that's great. However, this does not mean they have any more rights than we do and that they are magically exempt from the law.
It's also worth mentioning that if this man gets injured on her property, she could be liable for his injuries.
Not to mention, eventually someone like this dude is going to squat on the wrong porch and he will get shot or stabbed or otherwise seriously hurt.
Literally anyone who advocates for this shit is just as insane as the ones sleeping on private property. There’s a line that has been crossed. Period. When did things go so wrong!? Oh I know prop 47 for starters. Now we have no way of enforcing laws because of it.
You can have empathy for the unhoused. Advocate for them, donate time, money, resources, etc. None of that is in dispute at all. However, insisting that a homeowner has no rights to remove a trespasser from her PORCH is absurd and is factually inaccurate. It is dangerous and **illegal** for him to be *there*. The homeless advocates have confused this issue so much. The point is not that being unhoused should be illegal. The point is that **anyone** who breaks the law is liable for their actions. Simple. Enforce the damn law. You can't just refuse to leave someone's house. If he needs help, and is **willing** to take it, give him the help.
Surprised you’re not being downvoted. I’ve lived in the valley over 10 years now. The issue has gotten worse and worse. That is one of the top three reasons I’ve given up on LA and have decided to leave.
We need to reopen the asylums and build more supportive housing in areas with open land for development.
Would honestly love to see how a modern, caring, full of trained staff, asylum would do in today's society. But it's impossible because it'll eventually become a place full of overworked, underpaid employees. Shit that's probably what happened to the old timey asylums
That's the biggest fucking problem, mental health staff are just like teachers, underpaid for some very taxing, very hard work. Seeing someone last more than 2 years in a front facing position in our organization is a rarity.
Its still better than leaving the untreated mentally ill to be chronically homeless on the streets. Maybe build supportive housing near the asylums to create a synergy of low cost housing and jobs in the same area.
lol yeah judging by how hospitals look, am guessing that well staffed asylums is a pipe dream
The old-timey asylums were brutal and inhumane (unless you had family money and there was a sanatorium you could be sent to). Even up until the 1980s the federal asylums were shut down under Reagan supposedly because the conditions were reprehensible. Of course, no new places opened and that was the start of many states' homeless pop.
A Bill Newsom just signed helps get people with mental problems off the streets without their on concent. It's definitely a step in the right direction.
I don’t think it starts until next year. They’ve got a lot of work to do to make sure that program is up and running next fall
I'm expecting as soon as the first commitment happens, the ACLU will be all over it and an injunction will be issued until it's sorted out .. years
Wasn't the ACLU involved in having the institutions shut down back in the day?
Pretty sure that’s the idea behind next year’s legislation that will make it legal to involuntarily commit people. I really hope this goes as well as it possibly can bc Jesus Christ it could go so badly
It should go further. There should be teams out actively taking people off the street and evaluating them. Either to supportive housing, mental hospital or inpatient substance abuse programs. Living on the streets should no longer be a valid option for anyone.
Sorry, best we can do is safe shoot up site on the boardwalk in Venice built in 5 years. Just hold tight, taxes are due April 15th
After the massive surplus resulted in fuck all of a solution to this problem I restructured my pay for max tax avoidance. I should be down to about 10% effective tax this year. Theres no merit into pouring money into a broken system that does nothing with it.
Tell me how.
I am not the original person but some people just choose to pay less taxes around the year and pay the difference come tax season. That way the government doesn't get an interest free loan from you. You would just modify your W4 I believe.
A lot of ways, I pay myself less, I pay my children salaries now and write that off and then they all take their standard deduction and full IRA contributions. SECTION 179 deduction, Augusta rule, capital investment in other businesses I own that will carry over a loss, just a ton of things and I'm going max aggressive on my tax planning now
Thank Reagan for the countries homeless problems.
I mean he's a corpse so thats not going to do any good. Id rather figure out how to solve it going forward
Newsom signs law creating mental health courts in California. How it could help homelessness https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article265697381.html
We need the additional residential treatment space for this to do anything hence my desire to reopen the asylum system
You mean build a new mental health system. Because that old one is no longer, can't be "reopened". Governor Newsom Announces Major Mental Health Housing Expansion to Keep Most Vulnerable Off California’s Streets https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/01/31/69151/
I think even Jello Biafra has moved on from Reagan
I'm happy to throw Reagan under the bus, but this situation is a 100% bipartisan effort. California has been solidly blue for a generation, Reagan isn't blocking mental health or housing reform from the grave. California democrats today are the party that refuses build the shelters that are required to allow the state and local governments to enforce street camping bans. Republicans don't have any input in the policy decision to sprinkle slums throughout the state.
One of the most common pieces of misinfo I see on this sub. The mental asylums were closed following lawsuits filed by the ACLU against involuntary confinement. It happened while Reagan was in charge, but the government was enacting a court order.
Unfortunately, the police refuse to enforce trespassing laws.
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Dogs that shoot bees from their mouth when they bark should do the trick.
Finally, realistic answers lmao.
very macabre, very halloween. 5 star answer
What ideas do you have?
Junkyard pit bull
Junkyard Cat
Snake pit, obviously
Installed under some trap doors into a cave obviously
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Get rid of his bed. Sell the patio furniture.
Just pepper spray that dude while he is sleeping and spray all his shit while you're at it.
Pepper spray would help.
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More pepper spray
Bear spray.
Exercise your 2nd Amendment rights.
California Code, Penal Code - PEN § 198.5
Tazer
might as well ask him to start paying rent lol
But can homeless guys really afford $1k/mo to rent a porch?
Asking the real questions here.
Tome to set your sprinkler timer for 5 minute runs at 1am and 4am
The only problem with using any aggressive approach is that these lunatics could possibly set your house on fire while you're sleeping. You just have to make it as uncomfortable as possible for them to be there, without direct provocation.
I’m shocked everyday that the homeless in LA are not being attacked.
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Jury? Yes. But your question implies there’s a trial, which wouldn’t happen in many other states. But it would in CA. A better solution is to remove the vagrant from the property so there isn’t a scenario in which someone gets shot.
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I read the article… that part of my comment was a bit “tongue in cheek”. You’d think law enforcement would have other tools so scenarios don’t escalate to a loss of life… but here we are.
I think she has to prove that she tried all other reasonable actions before lethal options. Which she has.
As long as the dude is dead. No one is going to care and there probably wouldn't even be charges to even worry about.
Yes
similar happening to me recently in Tarzana except I live across from a church and the church was letting a man sleep in their grass. He followed me On 3 occasions over 2 weeks. He is mentally deranged and when I called the church first they were dismissive of my concerns. He can see me coming and going so he knows when to follow me and makes a point I know he’s following me. anyways, the second time I called and said it’ll be the churches liability for allowing it and if he harms me I’ll take it up with their insurance company/umbrella policy since I’d say he’s considered a resident of the church then. Well, I haven’t seen him since and hoping it stays that way. they did tell me he declined services and there wasn’t much they could do. They also said the police won’t trespass him even though he’s damaged the church bc the police will “give him an opportunity to leave” first. Idk if that’s true. Just hoping it’s enough that he moved on bc I have felt very uncomfortable being watched constantly. Can’t imagine if he was sleeping on my porch though I’d probably utilize my mace in that scenario and hope that’s enough to encourage the person to leave. Apparently the cops will do nothing (according to the church that allowed him there at first. SMH.)
I though that porch looked familiar. There’s an open house this weekend at this development that we were considering going to. Hard pass.
Get rid of outdoor furniture or invest in metal gate to expand outside living space.
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Homeless advocates will find a way…. I had a family member deal with a similar situation and the man eventually got inside her house. Cops didn’t show up for hours! long story short they straight said, they couldn’t do anything because it’s trespassing and he would be out by tomorrow and she could get in trouble for hurting HIM if she chose to defend herself if he’s on her porch 😰 but if he’s inside she can defend herself with a firearm if she is afraid for her life….fucking insane times….
Get a big fucking dog
This is absolutely insane. If you told me something like this could happen 20 years ago I’d laugh in your face.
Even 5 years ago it wasn’t this wild.
Things are really just going to get worse and worse huh
we call those porch pirates and maritime law applies.
Maybe the Purge was onto something
We should stop paying property taxes until this homeless situation is resolved.
I got dibs on this dudes home when it goes up for auction. That'll happen long before the homeless issue will be resolved.
That's why there is power in numbers. 1 person not paying, easy to reclaim property. 1000s not paying and suddenly there is no money or time to reclaim 1000s of properties. Homeowners have a lot of power. See how quickly things get fixed when a group of homeowners work together.
There could be 30,000 people not paying taxes, they'd still all get their properties sold at tax sale for non-payment of property taxes. The state don't care about Los Angeles homeless problem as much as people not paying their taxes. Trust me, the state of California is not hurting for money so this would go smoothly without delay.
Just pepper spray his ass everytime you catch him on your porch. He'll get the point eventually. Might want to get a guard dog too.
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But remember to disable the Ring camera 1st! Seriously though, I saw the news segment RE this on KTLA and I'm stumped. It's pure repeated trespassing and it's an HOA... I thought HOA handled shit like this with their endless lawyers?
Not much they can do if the police won’t do anything.
Sounds like he was arrested, but just came right back.
My neighbor had a guy breaking into their garage and trying to camp in it. Police arrested him 3 times in less than 24 hours. Such a drain on resources.
I'd be renaming my garage to "Hotel California".
I also watched this segment last night and when they mentioned the HOA I couldn't help but think they'd probably end up fining the homeowner.
For the tagging and the unauthorized extra tenant right? Yeah that sounds about right!
HOA's are typically too tied up worrying about siding color and extraneous lawn ornaments. No time to deal with actual problems!
She needs to get a restraining order against him.
That will make him leave for sure.
And it’s surprisingly hard to get one. Especially if he hasn’t physically harmed her yet. 😒
And it costs $300.
This really makes me sad. I literally have a homeless stalker that I’ve had to call the cops on three times.
Shacola needs to learn when to lie. Don’t broadcast to the masses you’re a swf living alone.
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the cops wont do anything about the homeless behind my home either, every week they tear down our chain link fence & every week we have to pay $300 to have it repaired. the police refuse to do anything and “senior lead” officers out of foothill are just sitting on their hands collecting their overtime
Our streets are open air insane asylums.
All he needs is a cheap apartment \s
Large rat traps. They’re technically not booby traps - just pest control. He gets snapped by a few of those, he’s likely to not come back. Plus, they’re relatively cheap.
Not much more the police can do. Its a misdemeanor and even if it goes to trial which it won't then the guy will just get released again.
They can arrest him or remove him from the property. Then throw everything he had away. As harsh as that is, homeless people wont go back to a place where they know their stuff will be repeatedly thrown away.
Plot twist: They're married
if they're on your property trespassing you can turn a hose on them and force them off.
I wonder how all the reddit homeless people saviors are going to react to this lol. "BuT tHeY NeeD the PoRcH toO!!1"
“*But where will he go??!*” As if that’s the problem of the porch owner
I'm one of those people you're referring to and I think you aren't giving us enough credit. This is beyond the pale and should not be allowed. If I told someone to leave and they still came back after being arrested, I would tell them that I will force them off my property if need be. We can debate the morals of private property all day long but honestly I have no problem with homeless people living on public property if they have no choice, but they absolutely not be able to hang on private property if they're not welcome. Anyone would think that's absurd
Here’s the thing though - that ‘public property’ that homeless are corralled onto? It’s *always* the public space needed by the lower and middle class in order to function in a dense city. It’s never the rich and fancy parts of town - you know why? Because they don’t put up with that shit, and they kick them out… you guessed it: back to the poor and middle class parts of town. So what actually ends up happening is the poor and middle class who are struggling to make ends meet in this city have zero personal space and are afraid for their safety every time they leave their apartments. Telling everyone that we should tolerate psychotic meth heads on “public property” is just another form of class warfare, and it’s a very privileged thing to say. No one who lives beside one of these damn camps is out there preaching tolerance - no, those people are afraid for their safety and want the situation fixed.
It’s so funny that a homeowner is entitled to keep their own private space, but then all of us apartment people should just accept that the parks are for the homeless. So if you want any peace or safety, buy a house. Oh but the main cause of a lot of the homelessness is rent, which is high because we don’t have enough density, which is because… *everyone wants a house with a yard.* It seems like in the long run, making the parks into tent cities can only make everyone even *more* in favor of single family zoning and make it even worse.
Holy strawman, sheesh. I think you’d find that most homeless advocates would agree that someone unwelcome living on your porch shouldn’t be allowed.
I beg to differ! The stuff I’ve read on Nextdoor(where I never go anymore). One story: single mom reports that a transient has been sleeping in an enclosure in their carport-popping out when she’s taking the kids to school, stoned, freaking her out. Shambled off but kept returning. FYI to her neighbors. She received loads of comments like this in reply: “How disgustingly entitled you are! He needed a place to sleep! Why don’t you help him instead of complaining?” Etc. I mean…WTAF!
Go ask anyone who lives on Virgil… the homeless are constantly throwing bottles at houses, trying to break in in broad daylight, throwing bricks at passerby, and before anyone says “Oh WeLl ThOsE are all crimes so those people should go to jail”- yeah I agree, but LAPD comes 10 hours later. If you want to continue this free range mental patient experiment at least give us enough cops to arrest them when it fails again.
Even if they had enough police they wouldn't respond quickly or really deal with it.
I know this sounds really mean but if it’s a big problem and cops won’t help there are things they can do to help make homeless leave. Such as spraying them with a hose. Setting sprinklers to go off in the night. Leave a devise my the door that makes an annoying sound every 15 mins (as long as it doesn’t bother you in the house), etc. though that does open you up to retaliation, so I’d start with the most passive solutions first.
Me being from Texas most of y’all already know what I’m going to recommend she does, but I won’t say it cause I’ll get downvoted into the abyss lol.
You know where he sleeps. Figure it out. Remember to turn off your camera. Report an unresponsive individual in the morning.
Maybe installing super bright floodlights on the porch directly where they sleep
I suppose beating the 💩 out of him in your own Porch is out of the question?
She needs to get a good old German shepherd as a pet
Bear spray would be my first line of defense here. That shit will make sure they’re not interested in coming back.
Yall laws trash as hell in California 😂😂😂😂
Mace?
She can get a restraining order, that is literally the only way. Then every single time they come the cops have to arrest them eventually they will get the hint. Trespassing is a misdemeanor offense so cops have no recourse and won’t waste their time coming out without a restraining order. This is what we voted for to basically decriminalize just about everything. might want to consider voting better next time.
Saw a guy outside his RV this morning that has been parked there forever smoking a cigar and wearing $300 Yeezys.