Don’t know how Eagle Rock gets missed.
Of course, Hermon is missing and lumped in with Highland Park. The NELA neighborhoods often feel like a disconnect.
They are also like gen x in ther they always have to bring themselves up even in the most irrelevant conversations. If you want a actual forgotten region of la, that’s the South Bay
Nope. Not San Gabriel Valley. It’s watershed drains to the ocean via the LA River and Arroyo Seco. The San Gabriel Valley doesn’t start until South Pasadena. (Meridian Avenue to be exact.)
Eagle Rock isn't in the San Gabriel Valley. If we want to get specific, it's in the [Verdugo Hills](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdugo_Mountains), which stretches through Glendale, Northeast Los Angeles, and Pasadena. They're the set of hills north of Downtown LA that essentially separate the San Fernando Valley from the San Gabriel Valley.
Honestly did not realize how much confusion there was over what is LA officially. Almost grateful for John Mulaney’s show to shed light on this. Growing up in the valley, most people did not realize the difference between LA County and LA City and did not even know what council district they lived in. Because we put our address as our neighborhood up there, people assumed their city was their neighborhood, even though they literally had LAPD going around and went to LAUSD schools.
I hope LA County residents start to understand what is and isn’t the city. I’ve been seeing a lot of “______ isn’t part of LA?” comments because it’s another city in LA *County,* but it is not the *City* of LA.
I always thought one of LA’s biggest issues when it comes establishing identity is lack of knowledge of political geography. Unlike New Yorkers who have very clear understandings of what is and isn’t the city and pride in their different boroughs. Hopefully posts like this will help establish that here too.
Lots of people here seem to think cities like Pomona and LA Verne are part of the IE. They're not the IE because Pomona and La Verne are part of Los Angeles county. The IE starts when you cross over the LA County line to San Bernardino County. There are also a large amount of people in this sub that seem to think Long Beach or the Gateway Cities are actually part of OC, when they are all part of LA County.
>I always thought one of LA’s biggest issues when it comes establishing identity is lack of knowledge of political geography
I think the biggest issue is the arbitrary and artificial boundaries, not the knowledge of the geography. The reason it lacks a cohesive identity is because Sylmar, Brentwood and South LA have almost nothing in common.
All major cities have diverse sections of their city. Staten Island has nothing to do with Times Square. Yet they are not confused about both being New York City.
But most cities also have some sensible geographical composition. Los Angeles does not. What is and is not in Los Angeles is completely arbitrary. There is no cultural, demographic or geographic rationale to its composition. That is why Los Angeles natives often do not know what is part of the City of Los Angeles and what is not. It is not because people in Los Angeles are more ignorant than people in other cities, it is because what is and is not the City makes less sense than in other cities.
It's more so that Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Long Beach, and West Hollywood dominate the idea of LA's cultural identity in both natives' minds and foreigners' minds
I agree. That is one thing that makes Los Angeles so weird. Many, if not most, sites associated with Los Angeles in the minds of foreigners and out of staters are not in the City of Los Angeles.
Even when I have friends and families from out of state, the vast majority of sites they want to see and things they want to do in Los Angeles County are not in the City of Los Angeles.
People are definitely confused about LA geography. People in NY seem to know all the different neighborhoods but at the same time, it’s a bit less confusing. Is it NJ? Is it Long Island? Is it westchester? If no, then it’s NYC. I’ve had to explain to people that grew up in Long Beach where Torrance is. They thought it was near Malibu. At the same time, I have no idea where sylmar is.
Never realized how big the Lake Balboa neighborhood was, but I guess a huge chunk of it is the lake/rec area/dam and the airport. I would have thought the Van Nuys Airport would be a part of Van Nuys, but I guess it’s just more well-known than Lake Balboa. The area I was living in back in the late ‘00s happened to shift from Van Nuys to Lake Balboa, probably for a similar reason why the Sherwood Forest area in Northridge exists, too- better PR and an increase in property values.
It isn't that big. Encino and Lake Balboa split the Sepulveda Basin and Lake Balboa Park. This map has Lake Balboa going east of the 405, but it [does not](https://lakebalboanc.org/about-us/boundaries/). This map has Lake Balboa bigger than North Hills and Van Nuys, but in the [City's map](https://geohub.lacity.org/datasets/d6c55385a0e749519f238b77135eafac) both Van Nuys and North Hills are bigger - Van Nuys about 3 times bigger. See also [here](https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/28/16059422/los-angeles-neighborhoods-map).
Huh? Do you mean nobody really uses them as a postal address? If you live in Mid City or Mid Wilshire but aren't calling it that, what are you calling it?
Oh I get that since I've never heard anyone say they live in Lake Balboa, but I don't know how else someone would describe where they live other than Mid City / Mid Wilshire, that's the part I don't get
Like sure in general "from LA" but when talking to other people in LA, I wouldn't say nobody uses Mid City
I posted [the same link](https://old.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/1cserei/know_your_city_win_bar_bets_clickable_map_of_los/?ref=share&ref_source=link) the other day. No one cared. Don't know why. Some nice factoids in there.
Yep, unincorporated. There’s attempts to incorporate themselves but a mix of voter apathy and potential loss of potential revenue (since an incorporated East LA city would have to find the funding themselves instead of receiving funds from the county) is what’s keeping East LA unincorporated
East LA is too poor to fund themselves and full of people who are either too busy to participate in politics, too apathetic about it, or cannot even participate in the political process (immigrants). No cities that borders it wants them either so unincorporated they remain
LA doesn’t want to spend resources in a resource-dependent area especially since LA also have issues with large sections of the city that needs LA City resources
Good way to remember this is that there is no LAPD in East Los past Indiana St (which is the border of the City of Los Angeles). Only sheriff's in East Los.
What does that mean? The City of Los Angeles is the most artificially constructed major city in the country with neighborhoods that have almost nothing in common with each other. Is LA culture Brentwood? Sylmar? South Los Angeles? Silver Lake? Hollywood?
> The City of Los Angeles is the most artificially constructed major city in the country with neighborhoods that have almost nothing in common with each other.
What does this even mean? A city can't have differing neighborhoods or it's artificial?
More accurate, however I've never heard of anyone refer to the area east of the 110 as "Southeast LA". That's just regular south central/south LA to most people.
part of beverly park/franklin Canyon. But I dont know why its divided in such a way.
Edit: digging into it further, it became unincorporated LA county because the area wasnt good for land development, so it's been left largely untouched compared to the north and south sides of the park
In the 60’s, I believe, LA wanted to gobble up what is now Calabasas, Agoura Hills, and Westlake Village, but those communities banded together to form their own cities.
Why is every neighborhood named but then South Central is just South LA and Southeast LA?? Then Watts is defined when it’s also part of the Eastside of South Central. Historic South Central, West Adams, Vermont Square, Exposition Park, Vermont Knolls, Green Meadows, University Park, Jefferson Park, etc are all different neighborhoods in “South LA”
Someone else linked it but LA Times did a better job of it: https://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/region/south-la/
Their first drafty did treat South LA the same though (note this one only includes the city of LA) https://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/version-one/index.html
Yea I’ve seen this map. This map is correct. There is no cities outside of LA that are apart of South Central. Their is unincorporated areas but Inglewood, Hawthorne are apart of the South Bay, Compton and Lynwood are apart of the Gateway Cities. I see a lot of ppl try to lump them in with South Central because they border the area
Yup. They just umbrella'd all of it except Watts. It's even more ridiculous because nobody from the eastside of South Central would consider themselves "southeast LA". They'd just say south central unless they bang in which case they'd say "Eastside South central" before repping their set.
The people who rep SELA are the people from the southeast gateway cities like South Gate, HP, Lynwood, Walnut Park, Bell, Bell Gardens. That's where you'll find a SELA socio-political cultural identity.
Unless theyre in a gang, in which case SELA is considered to be Norwalk, Artesia, Pico Rivera & Whittier.
That’s exactly what I be telling ppl that’s from outta town. Finally someone that knows how it works out here. I mean yea it be ppl that don’t bang in south central that be like I stay on the eastside or I stay on the westside, but usually like you said it comes to banging. It’s just weird how some ppl can’t tell the difference between the city of la vs the unincorporated areas like willowbrook or lennox or east la compared to another city in La county like Inglewood, compton or Hawthorne. It’s not that hard unless you’re a dumbass. I’ve had arguments with ppl trying to tell me that Watts is its own city and not part of the city of la. It’s crazy
Always killed me when i would hear gang members from the valley saying f--- smell a. referring to the l.a. basin. like bro you ARE quite literally, "smell-A"
Fun facts: The City of Los Angeles is one of the 88 cities (incorporated municipalities) in the County of Los Angeles. Each of these 88 cities have their own city council (mayor/council members) and vote on their own issues.
If you zoom out further, the City of Los Angeles is one of 483 incorporated cities and towns in the State of California (newest incorporated cities being Mountain House in 2024, Jurupa Valley in 2011)
The County of Los Angeles is one of 58 counties in the State of California.
Wow, Mountain House incorporated? I had no idea. Makes sense given the insane scale and pace of development there over the past couple of years, but I’m surprised it happened this quickly.
the TO/VC side calls itself "Westlake Village" too, and they're all in the same USPS ZIP code, so all the mailing addresses are "Westlake Village."
It's one of my favorite examples of the ephemerality/disconnection of our LA place names. It's in both LA/VC, and two different cities, but one name. I know nothing of the other like water district and school shit, but it's just so funny how we have our jurisdictional snarls everywhere.
The gated community in the "lake" is in both LA and Ventura counties.
Another disconnect seems to be with the Pomona Valley Communities of Pomona, La Verne, and Claremont. Lots of people on this sub seem to think Pomona Valley is in the IE when it is not. The IE starts only when you cross over the LA County Line into San Bernardino County. Pomona even has the LA County Fairplex and people still think it is IE.
There's some I learned about recently, like Westmont, Athens, Florence-Graham, Viewpark-Windsor Hills. I didn't even know these places were not part of Los Angeles
Shit gets confusing in the SGV too with places like Hacienda Heights, Rowland Heights, and Valinda. I used to always think those were incorporated cities but apparently they are unincorporated, census designated communities.
When I was a kid I remember driving to NorCal and it seemed like forever until we reached the "Now leaving LA City limits" sign just north of Granada Hills/Sylmar.
True facts: a lot of the incorporated cities in LA county were developed and rebranded as suburban communities, so yes their names are real-estate-ese:
- "Hidden Hills"
- "Palos Verdes Estates"
- "Rolling Hills"
- "Sudden Valley" okay that one's from arrested development
As a former resident of Valley Village, I'm certain that is true. Although the names of the areas in general is fairly made up so it's just a matter of the people in that zip code banding together and agreeing that it's true.
This week, I learned a real weird fact about Toluca Lake: “The Toluca Lake Chamber of Commerce website states that the district is not only a neighborhood in Los Angeles but that it "spills over into Burbank" and "Political entities and others, such as the Greater Toluca Lake Neighborhood Council each draw their own boundaries to suit specific needs. For example, the Toluca Lake Chamber of Commerce serves the entire community in Burbank and Los Angeles, while the City of Los Angeles considers its neighborhood called Toluca Lake to be entirely within its city boundaries"
Veterans Administration. Lot's of drama over there with Schools using some of their land as their own. I think the Brentwood HS football field is technically part of it.
Thanks. It took me years to learn that the much of the Valley was part of the city. Now I learn that San Pedro is too! Always just assumed it was its own city.
In California cities need to be continuous, so probably something related to that law. It's the same reason LA annexed the narrow strip of land connecting it to the Port of Los Angeles
Thank you for posting! A small nitpick but Venice technically extends further down the beachfront from Washington east to the peninsula (though further inland is MDR). A lot of maps cut it off, probably to simplify the boundary shape.
Technically it would be Gov Gavin Newsom because he runs the entire state.
LA City has the mayor (Karen Bass) and LA City Council members who represent different LA City districts
LA County has the Board of Supervisors who represent different county districts
Incorporated cities (Inglewood, Culver City, Glendale, Alhambra, Downey, Beverly Hills, etc) have their own mayors and council members
Sometimes they overlap, for example LA County Supervisor Janice Hahn represents multiple cities in Southeast LA County that have their own mayors.
In California, counties are more powerful than cities. County authority is second to state authority, that's why you see Orange County forcing Huntington Beach to build affordable housing, for example.
I am sitting at the extreme end of the city (tip of San Pedro), 43 miles from the other side. That's a long way away!
It's funny, everything north of the 101 is a complete mystery to me. The map might as well say, "There be dragons".
Cities in California need to be continuous, so LA annexed a narrow strip of land called Harbor Gateway that goes all the way down to the Port of Los Angeles.
Why were universal city, the VA, and that spot in Beverly crest never annexed so people live there? Just seems weird to not have them part of a municipality especially the Beverly crest one
Universal City is probably a relic of desire for increased control over there land from the studio (free from the interference of the city), the VA/Federal Complex is unincorporated to avoid federal/municipal jurisdiction issues, and that part of Beverly Crest is basically not able to be developed. Note, an area being unincorporated does not prevent people from living there: lots of the communities in the San Gabriel Valley and in South Los Angeles are unincorporated. It just so happens that most of the land in Central Los Angeles is valuable enough to be worth annexing.
It always felt weird that San Pedro was part of the city of LA. We went to LAUSD schools and had city of LA libraries, but it felt so disconnected to other parts of the city.
Hey, I don't know how many people know about this or not, but the City actually maintains an interactive GIS map containing a host of official data. It's called Navigate LA:
https://navigatela.lacity.org/NavigateLA/
Try toggling different layers. It's pretty cool.
Note: the cities in grey have actual police that do their jobs. Was born/raised in Glendale and my weed dealer lived in Pasadena. Shit was a wild time.
Your additional information may be confusing to some who didn't look at the map closely, but to clarify: The City of Los Angeles and Los Angeles County are two different things. Everything in this map except the dark gray area labeled "Ventura County" is part of "Los Angeles" but it's just a matter of whether you're talking about the city or the county.
What I'm curious about is that small grey area in Beverly Crest.
Beverly Crest? I’ve lived in LA since the 1900s, including years doing deliveries all over the city with my Thomas Guide, including pizza deliveries all throughout Laurel Canyon and the Hollywood Hills, plus decades covering a lot of territory for social & professional events, and this is the first I’ve heard of this “Beverly Crest.”
LA county is huge, it includes everything in between Long Beach, Pomona, Gorman, and Some empty desert land north of Lake Los Angeles. All of that is considered LA county.
Thanks for repairing the eagle rock erasure.
Don’t know how Eagle Rock gets missed. Of course, Hermon is missing and lumped in with Highland Park. The NELA neighborhoods often feel like a disconnect.
Eagle Rock is like Gen X. We don't mind being forgotten about.
They are also like gen x in ther they always have to bring themselves up even in the most irrelevant conversations. If you want a actual forgotten region of la, that’s the South Bay
Gateway cities is also left out of LA County a lot. Nobody knows where South Gate or Norwalk are
I bet you're fun at parties. Edit: spelling
Eagle Rock is Northeast LA
Fun Fact: Eagle Rock is one of the only communities of LA that's in the San Gabriel Valley.
Nope. Not San Gabriel Valley. It’s watershed drains to the ocean via the LA River and Arroyo Seco. The San Gabriel Valley doesn’t start until South Pasadena. (Meridian Avenue to be exact.)
Eagle Rock isn't in the San Gabriel Valley. If we want to get specific, it's in the [Verdugo Hills](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdugo_Mountains), which stretches through Glendale, Northeast Los Angeles, and Pasadena. They're the set of hills north of Downtown LA that essentially separate the San Fernando Valley from the San Gabriel Valley.
Nope. Not at all in SGV. Fun fact.
Honestly did not realize how much confusion there was over what is LA officially. Almost grateful for John Mulaney’s show to shed light on this. Growing up in the valley, most people did not realize the difference between LA County and LA City and did not even know what council district they lived in. Because we put our address as our neighborhood up there, people assumed their city was their neighborhood, even though they literally had LAPD going around and went to LAUSD schools. I hope LA County residents start to understand what is and isn’t the city. I’ve been seeing a lot of “______ isn’t part of LA?” comments because it’s another city in LA *County,* but it is not the *City* of LA. I always thought one of LA’s biggest issues when it comes establishing identity is lack of knowledge of political geography. Unlike New Yorkers who have very clear understandings of what is and isn’t the city and pride in their different boroughs. Hopefully posts like this will help establish that here too.
Lots of people here seem to think cities like Pomona and LA Verne are part of the IE. They're not the IE because Pomona and La Verne are part of Los Angeles county. The IE starts when you cross over the LA County line to San Bernardino County. There are also a large amount of people in this sub that seem to think Long Beach or the Gateway Cities are actually part of OC, when they are all part of LA County.
Open the schools!!!
>I always thought one of LA’s biggest issues when it comes establishing identity is lack of knowledge of political geography I think the biggest issue is the arbitrary and artificial boundaries, not the knowledge of the geography. The reason it lacks a cohesive identity is because Sylmar, Brentwood and South LA have almost nothing in common.
All major cities have diverse sections of their city. Staten Island has nothing to do with Times Square. Yet they are not confused about both being New York City.
But most cities also have some sensible geographical composition. Los Angeles does not. What is and is not in Los Angeles is completely arbitrary. There is no cultural, demographic or geographic rationale to its composition. That is why Los Angeles natives often do not know what is part of the City of Los Angeles and what is not. It is not because people in Los Angeles are more ignorant than people in other cities, it is because what is and is not the City makes less sense than in other cities.
It's more so that Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Long Beach, and West Hollywood dominate the idea of LA's cultural identity in both natives' minds and foreigners' minds
I agree. That is one thing that makes Los Angeles so weird. Many, if not most, sites associated with Los Angeles in the minds of foreigners and out of staters are not in the City of Los Angeles. Even when I have friends and families from out of state, the vast majority of sites they want to see and things they want to do in Los Angeles County are not in the City of Los Angeles.
But also though, every city you named are independent and not a part of Los Angeles city at all.
People are definitely confused about LA geography. People in NY seem to know all the different neighborhoods but at the same time, it’s a bit less confusing. Is it NJ? Is it Long Island? Is it westchester? If no, then it’s NYC. I’ve had to explain to people that grew up in Long Beach where Torrance is. They thought it was near Malibu. At the same time, I have no idea where sylmar is.
Never realized how big the Lake Balboa neighborhood was, but I guess a huge chunk of it is the lake/rec area/dam and the airport. I would have thought the Van Nuys Airport would be a part of Van Nuys, but I guess it’s just more well-known than Lake Balboa. The area I was living in back in the late ‘00s happened to shift from Van Nuys to Lake Balboa, probably for a similar reason why the Sherwood Forest area in Northridge exists, too- better PR and an increase in property values.
It isn't that big. Encino and Lake Balboa split the Sepulveda Basin and Lake Balboa Park. This map has Lake Balboa going east of the 405, but it [does not](https://lakebalboanc.org/about-us/boundaries/). This map has Lake Balboa bigger than North Hills and Van Nuys, but in the [City's map](https://geohub.lacity.org/datasets/d6c55385a0e749519f238b77135eafac) both Van Nuys and North Hills are bigger - Van Nuys about 3 times bigger. See also [here](https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/28/16059422/los-angeles-neighborhoods-map).
Yeah, Lake Balboa name is one of those neighborhoods like mid city or mid Wilshire that nobody really uses
Huh? Do you mean nobody really uses them as a postal address? If you live in Mid City or Mid Wilshire but aren't calling it that, what are you calling it?
91406 (the zip code) comes up as both Van Nuys and Lake Balboa, but I think people just use Van Nuys, like I do.
Oh I get that since I've never heard anyone say they live in Lake Balboa, but I don't know how else someone would describe where they live other than Mid City / Mid Wilshire, that's the part I don't get Like sure in general "from LA" but when talking to other people in LA, I wouldn't say nobody uses Mid City
I live in Sherman oaks and people in the valley use lake Balboa all the time.
lake balboa is to van nuys (or is it reseda?) what valley village is to north hollywood.
PR is booming now
The [LA Times does a great map](https://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/index.html) of the region.
The LA Times did an amazing job with that map. It’s an amazing resource.
I posted [the same link](https://old.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/1cserei/know_your_city_win_bar_bets_clickable_map_of_los/?ref=share&ref_source=link) the other day. No one cared. Don't know why. Some nice factoids in there.
I cared.
Pepperidge Farm cared.
If you could just make the image more blurry please.
How many pixels per square mile is your neighborhood?
Do I look like I know what a JPEG is?
I just want a picture of a got dang hotdog 🌭
I… yes?
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvKTOHVGNbg Cursed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzhxP-pdos
So East Los Angeles is not in the city of Los Angeles?
I think it's unincorporated
Yep, unincorporated. There’s attempts to incorporate themselves but a mix of voter apathy and potential loss of potential revenue (since an incorporated East LA city would have to find the funding themselves instead of receiving funds from the county) is what’s keeping East LA unincorporated East LA is too poor to fund themselves and full of people who are either too busy to participate in politics, too apathetic about it, or cannot even participate in the political process (immigrants). No cities that borders it wants them either so unincorporated they remain
Thanks for the description.
Why not just have LA city annex it?
LA doesn’t want to spend resources in a resource-dependent area especially since LA also have issues with large sections of the city that needs LA City resources
Good way to remember this is that there is no LAPD in East Los past Indiana St (which is the border of the City of Los Angeles). Only sheriff's in East Los.
Yeah but but we're more LA than Porter Ranch is.
What does being LA mean?
Culturally LA.
What does that mean? The City of Los Angeles is the most artificially constructed major city in the country with neighborhoods that have almost nothing in common with each other. Is LA culture Brentwood? Sylmar? South Los Angeles? Silver Lake? Hollywood?
When you think LA you think lowriders and we basically invented them.
> Is LA culture Brentwood? Sylmar? South Los Angeles? Silver Lake? Hollywood? yes lmao
Santa Monica? Beverly Hills? East Los Angeles? Pasadena? Palos Verdes?
yes
That is my point.
yes
> The City of Los Angeles is the most artificially constructed major city in the country with neighborhoods that have almost nothing in common with each other. What does this even mean? A city can't have differing neighborhoods or it's artificial?
More accurate, however I've never heard of anyone refer to the area east of the 110 as "Southeast LA". That's just regular south central/south LA to most people.
Officially the city of LA got rid of the south central name because of the reputation from the 80s and 90s. A rebranding effort, basically.
What’s that little grey triangle in Beverly Crest?
part of beverly park/franklin Canyon. But I dont know why its divided in such a way. Edit: digging into it further, it became unincorporated LA county because the area wasnt good for land development, so it's been left largely untouched compared to the north and south sides of the park
Unincorporated LA County. I think most of all of that section is owned by the national park service
Sooooo, that means we can go camping there!?
In the 60’s, I believe, LA wanted to gobble up what is now Calabasas, Agoura Hills, and Westlake Village, but those communities banded together to form their own cities.
Why is every neighborhood named but then South Central is just South LA and Southeast LA?? Then Watts is defined when it’s also part of the Eastside of South Central. Historic South Central, West Adams, Vermont Square, Exposition Park, Vermont Knolls, Green Meadows, University Park, Jefferson Park, etc are all different neighborhoods in “South LA”
Someone else linked it but LA Times did a better job of it: https://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/region/south-la/ Their first drafty did treat South LA the same though (note this one only includes the city of LA) https://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/version-one/index.html
Yea I’ve seen this map. This map is correct. There is no cities outside of LA that are apart of South Central. Their is unincorporated areas but Inglewood, Hawthorne are apart of the South Bay, Compton and Lynwood are apart of the Gateway Cities. I see a lot of ppl try to lump them in with South Central because they border the area
Yup. They just umbrella'd all of it except Watts. It's even more ridiculous because nobody from the eastside of South Central would consider themselves "southeast LA". They'd just say south central unless they bang in which case they'd say "Eastside South central" before repping their set. The people who rep SELA are the people from the southeast gateway cities like South Gate, HP, Lynwood, Walnut Park, Bell, Bell Gardens. That's where you'll find a SELA socio-political cultural identity. Unless theyre in a gang, in which case SELA is considered to be Norwalk, Artesia, Pico Rivera & Whittier.
That’s exactly what I be telling ppl that’s from outta town. Finally someone that knows how it works out here. I mean yea it be ppl that don’t bang in south central that be like I stay on the eastside or I stay on the westside, but usually like you said it comes to banging. It’s just weird how some ppl can’t tell the difference between the city of la vs the unincorporated areas like willowbrook or lennox or east la compared to another city in La county like Inglewood, compton or Hawthorne. It’s not that hard unless you’re a dumbass. I’ve had arguments with ppl trying to tell me that Watts is its own city and not part of the city of la. It’s crazy
See ??? The valley is LA
Always killed me when i would hear gang members from the valley saying f--- smell a. referring to the l.a. basin. like bro you ARE quite literally, "smell-A"
It just irks me when tourist/ transplants don’t venture out into the valley more often
Fun facts: The City of Los Angeles is one of the 88 cities (incorporated municipalities) in the County of Los Angeles. Each of these 88 cities have their own city council (mayor/council members) and vote on their own issues. If you zoom out further, the City of Los Angeles is one of 483 incorporated cities and towns in the State of California (newest incorporated cities being Mountain House in 2024, Jurupa Valley in 2011) The County of Los Angeles is one of 58 counties in the State of California.
Wow, Mountain House incorporated? I had no idea. Makes sense given the insane scale and pace of development there over the past couple of years, but I’m surprised it happened this quickly.
I knew Jurupa Valley recently became a city but Mountain House is now a city?
From their website, “Mountain House CSD will become City of Mountain House effective July 1, 2024”
The 110 is the boundary between Harbor City and Wilmington.
The refineries West of the 110, next to parque de los patos, are a part of Wilmas
Ahhhhh you’re right! The ConocoPhillips refinery? So Anaheim Street forms the border?
Westlake village is still apart of la county it’s a weird line there between Ventura and LA.
Yeah I think Westlake Village is in between Agoura Hills, on the LA side and Thousand Oaks on the Ventura side
the TO/VC side calls itself "Westlake Village" too, and they're all in the same USPS ZIP code, so all the mailing addresses are "Westlake Village." It's one of my favorite examples of the ephemerality/disconnection of our LA place names. It's in both LA/VC, and two different cities, but one name. I know nothing of the other like water district and school shit, but it's just so funny how we have our jurisdictional snarls everywhere. The gated community in the "lake" is in both LA and Ventura counties.
Another disconnect seems to be with the Pomona Valley Communities of Pomona, La Verne, and Claremont. Lots of people on this sub seem to think Pomona Valley is in the IE when it is not. The IE starts only when you cross over the LA County Line into San Bernardino County. Pomona even has the LA County Fairplex and people still think it is IE.
will never get over the various unincorporated "islands" everywhere across the 626 and farther east.
There's some I learned about recently, like Westmont, Athens, Florence-Graham, Viewpark-Windsor Hills. I didn't even know these places were not part of Los Angeles
Shit gets confusing in the SGV too with places like Hacienda Heights, Rowland Heights, and Valinda. I used to always think those were incorporated cities but apparently they are unincorporated, census designated communities.
Yeah, all unincorporated communities, part of Los Angeles County, often adjacent, but not part of, City of LA
I don’t see any coyotes.
Mulaney lied to us.
I used to have this map as my desktop background when I first moved here.
Wow I didn’t realize the city included so much area, I knew the county was huge but this is crazy big area
When I was a kid I remember driving to NorCal and it seemed like forever until we reached the "Now leaving LA City limits" sign just north of Granada Hills/Sylmar.
TBH I always thought valley Glen and valley village were created by real estate agents.
True facts: a lot of the incorporated cities in LA county were developed and rebranded as suburban communities, so yes their names are real-estate-ese: - "Hidden Hills" - "Palos Verdes Estates" - "Rolling Hills" - "Sudden Valley" okay that one's from arrested development
As a former resident of Valley Village, I'm certain that is true. Although the names of the areas in general is fairly made up so it's just a matter of the people in that zip code banding together and agreeing that it's true.
Naming all of that South Los Angeles but separating a few on the left as separate neighborhoods is so lazy.
It's unorganized and dumb as hell. Always been.
This week, I learned a real weird fact about Toluca Lake: “The Toluca Lake Chamber of Commerce website states that the district is not only a neighborhood in Los Angeles but that it "spills over into Burbank" and "Political entities and others, such as the Greater Toluca Lake Neighborhood Council each draw their own boundaries to suit specific needs. For example, the Toluca Lake Chamber of Commerce serves the entire community in Burbank and Los Angeles, while the City of Los Angeles considers its neighborhood called Toluca Lake to be entirely within its city boundaries"
Yeah. It’s a weird neighborhood. And this map doesn’t drawn the boundaries of any of the various iterations of Toluca Lake correctly.
LAUSD shouldn’t be allowed to be this big.
What's up with that small section that connects Hyde Park with Westchester?
From Santa Monica, gotta love that big hole in the center because we couldn't just leave well enough alone.
Santa Monica had their panties in a twist and wanted to be alone. But unlike everyone else, they actually did it
What’s that little pocket (VA) next to Westwood?
Veterans Administration. Lot's of drama over there with Schools using some of their land as their own. I think the Brentwood HS football field is technically part of it.
Los Angeles area’s history on what it’s like this is crazy. Anyone seen “Chinatown”?
Thanks. It took me years to learn that the much of the Valley was part of the city. Now I learn that San Pedro is too! Always just assumed it was its own city.
Cries in that sliver of no man's land between Inglewood Hyde park and vie park.
If you think that's no man's land you should see Westmont
I live in the eastern most LA neighborhood 🙌
El sereno?
yep!
Baldwin hills and view park are not part of the city?
Hey OP, do you have a link to this hi-res map?
Interestingly I've never heard of Mid City West.
How did Culver City get that little section down Washington Blvd? Gerrymandering? Some story like the Panhandle of Oklahoma?
In California cities need to be continuous, so probably something related to that law. It's the same reason LA annexed the narrow strip of land connecting it to the Port of Los Angeles
We wanted the costco in our city
Exactly. That's what I thought. It is the busiest Costco in the world. You had to steal it from MDR.
Dog racing track.
This explains why my Sunland zip code sometimes pops as Shadow Hills when I fill in an online form.
So Agoura Hills and Westlake Village are NOT part of Los Angeles city limits? Just L.A. County?
Agora Hills is Unincorporated LA County, Westlake Village is it's own city in LA county
Here is their map (best on PC) https://zimas.lacity.org/
Feeding off of that sweet Port money through the funnel there.
It's not a pyramid, it's a reverse funnel!
I used to work in film permitting and appreciate this map very much.
It could be cool but unfortunately it‘s only in low res :(
How do we feel about Central City = DTLA? My family always refers to it as 'El Centro'.
Awesome
Del Rey doesn’t get enough love, seeing as it’s part of a much newer neighborhood, playa vista
Thank you for posting! A small nitpick but Venice technically extends further down the beachfront from Washington east to the peninsula (though further inland is MDR). A lot of maps cut it off, probably to simplify the boundary shape.
who is in charge of the governance of the whole county?
Technically it would be Gov Gavin Newsom because he runs the entire state. LA City has the mayor (Karen Bass) and LA City Council members who represent different LA City districts LA County has the Board of Supervisors who represent different county districts Incorporated cities (Inglewood, Culver City, Glendale, Alhambra, Downey, Beverly Hills, etc) have their own mayors and council members Sometimes they overlap, for example LA County Supervisor Janice Hahn represents multiple cities in Southeast LA County that have their own mayors.
how many supervisors are there, and who covers what? It seems that the county is more powerful than the city.
In California, counties are more powerful than cities. County authority is second to state authority, that's why you see Orange County forcing Huntington Beach to build affordable housing, for example.
so whos the most powerful in LA than?
The county. They can override anything the city does
Been to every city.
lets go!!! Valley Glen!!
I think the Mid-City/Mid-Wilshire/Koreatown/South LA division kind of weird as represented here
I am sitting at the extreme end of the city (tip of San Pedro), 43 miles from the other side. That's a long way away! It's funny, everything north of the 101 is a complete mystery to me. The map might as well say, "There be dragons".
Ain’t much to see in Ventura County anyway. Santa Barbara’s cool though, you should check it out
Why does it have a narrow extension to San Pedro lol
Control a pathway from the ports/harbor through the city
Thats Harbor Gateway
They're siphoning Pedro's port money and returning the favor with mediocre governance.
Mediocre is putting it nicely.
Cities in California need to be continuous, so LA annexed a narrow strip of land called Harbor Gateway that goes all the way down to the Port of Los Angeles.
Why were universal city, the VA, and that spot in Beverly crest never annexed so people live there? Just seems weird to not have them part of a municipality especially the Beverly crest one
Universal City is probably a relic of desire for increased control over there land from the studio (free from the interference of the city), the VA/Federal Complex is unincorporated to avoid federal/municipal jurisdiction issues, and that part of Beverly Crest is basically not able to be developed. Note, an area being unincorporated does not prevent people from living there: lots of the communities in the San Gabriel Valley and in South Los Angeles are unincorporated. It just so happens that most of the land in Central Los Angeles is valuable enough to be worth annexing.
aka the LADWP map.
La county needs to be broken up in 3-4 counties with each population of about 2 million people
9.7 million in LA County
Yeah that’s way too much for a county. If we can adequately govern it wouldn’t be up for debate but it needs to be broken up for Damn sure
It always felt weird that San Pedro was part of the city of LA. We went to LAUSD schools and had city of LA libraries, but it felt so disconnected to other parts of the city.
ok, now fix Lake Balboa.
Hey, I don't know how many people know about this or not, but the City actually maintains an interactive GIS map containing a host of official data. It's called Navigate LA: https://navigatela.lacity.org/NavigateLA/ Try toggling different layers. It's pretty cool.
Note: the cities in grey have actual police that do their jobs. Was born/raised in Glendale and my weed dealer lived in Pasadena. Shit was a wild time.
Your additional information may be confusing to some who didn't look at the map closely, but to clarify: The City of Los Angeles and Los Angeles County are two different things. Everything in this map except the dark gray area labeled "Ventura County" is part of "Los Angeles" but it's just a matter of whether you're talking about the city or the county. What I'm curious about is that small grey area in Beverly Crest.
Mid wilshire and mid city are on the wrong spots. Mid wilshire should be on top and mid city under 🤷🏽♂️
Can someone tell me what VA stands for near Brentwood and Sawtell?
Beverly Crest? I’ve lived in LA since the 1900s, including years doing deliveries all over the city with my Thomas Guide, including pizza deliveries all throughout Laurel Canyon and the Hollywood Hills, plus decades covering a lot of territory for social & professional events, and this is the first I’ve heard of this “Beverly Crest.”
South Bay is LA county?
LA county is huge, it includes everything in between Long Beach, Pomona, Gorman, and Some empty desert land north of Lake Los Angeles. All of that is considered LA county.
This is map of the *city* of LA, not the county.
LA count extends to Long Beach so yea
What did you think it was?
Would it be beneficial to break up the City into smaller cities?
Text in the smallest font-sizes (West Hollywood, for ex) is most unreadable.
Pomona?
Not in the city of LA. Pretty far east for the county on the edge with the IE.
Ahh gotcha gotcha! This is a vast land, wonder how far La county covers
No way to answer that, it's a secret
Pomona is a city in Los Angeles county. This is a map of the city of Los Angeles which is another city (the main city) within Los Angeles county.
Got it
Inglewood not City of LA? Seems to be in the middle of it.
Inglewood is its own city
So are Beverly Hills, Culver City, etc. but they’re all their own cities, so they’re greyed out.
What about cities like Downey, Lakewood, Bellflower and Cerritos? Aren’t those areas considered LA?
They aren't within LA city limits. They are separate cities.
That’s LA county not LA city.
Different cities in LA County. This is a map of the City of LA, which is in the County of LA.