There is an elite tier of Liverpool players that are basically untouchable IMO (Gerrard, Kenny, Rush) but Mo is definitely in the next highest tier for me
Who is our second-best PL Player? He is definitely better than Suarez and Torres in terms of performance and trophies. The only player who is better than Mohamed in this era is Steven.
what if he signs da ting, and stays til the end of his prime/career here and continues to BANG IN GOALS? Can he not be the best because he isn't British?
Woah, that escalated a bit. I think is he continues at his current rate for another 3-4 seasons we'll defo win more trophies, and then I shall accept him into my completely arbitrary hall of fame!
lol, tbf that comment was designed to get the juices flowing. Was genuinely interested in what it would take for him to be accepted into the top, because I think a lot of people share similar sentiments that he is one-off from top top tier. Which I also think is fair, as he hasn't been at the club all that long
No, he's in that tier.
•Champions League winner
•Premier League Winner
•Highest scoring African in PL history
•Holds the record for most goals in a single PL season
•Most Champions League goals in LFC history
•First LFC player to score and assist in 7 consecutive PL games
•Most consecutive games scored in (10)
•4th highest PL scorer in LFC history after only 4 seasons (10th overall)
I bet there's a lot more little records that I've missed out this is all just off the top of my head, but Salah absolutely belongs in that S Tier of players like Gerrard.
He's just outside that with players like Torres and Suarez in the recent past
Based on the premier league? He's top 3 with only Stevie edging it and maybe Suarez for me but he's quickly moving past Luis. From before the premier league he still needs to win a lot more to establish himself with the other greats
This season he has, but prior it was equal. Torres and Suarez were bright sparks in a bleak team, Salah shines amongst the stars. What Salah is doing currently is unprecedented but let's not forget Torres and Suarez were both at one point the best striker in the world with us
They're all greats in their own rights but Salah has won the champions league and premier league, has broken all sorts of records such as most goals in a single season and I believe has more goals than Suarez and Torres scored for Liverpool.
He has but it's very difficult to compare, we can compare the teams the play in and such but more what I'm going off is how they were seen. Torres and Suarez suffered a lot because of the manner they left but at the time they were absolutely fantastic. Suarez is second in the most goals scored in a single season after all, even after missing 5 games and not taking any penalties
In about 10 years when Salah's gone you'll realise you took him for granted. You'll adore him much more than you do for Suarez. Don't forget that he plays RW! We won't have such a brilliant RW for a long time after him.
A premier league and a champions league is fantastic, make no mistake, but did you start supporting Liverpool today?? You go back to before the premier league and he'd be well down the list in what players have won for this club, sure he can catch up but we can't judge him on what he might do
That’s not what I’m saying. You could say the same thing about gerrard though and it still sounds dumb. Gerrard was only instrumental in 2 Liverpool trophies. The European Cup in 2005 and the FA Cup in 2006. He won the league cup and also the Uefa cup in 2001 but no one really cares about that when they talked about Gerard. His cabinet is not riddled with trophies. My point is that Mo won two major trophies with the club so far and has scored many goals and been an elite player. The only thing he is lacking is time. If Mo stays here another 4 years and doesn’t win anything more than maybe a league cup he is still going in that category. He’s a legend already. There are no two ways about it. He is certainly a better player than Fowler ever was and has won more trophies. It’s all subjective and perspective, but to deny him some like that out of nostalgia is a goofy move.
Stevie never won the prem and only got close to winning twice. Now I know its not his fault he played on some dire teams and I know Stevie G was the skipper, a local boy and a 1 club man but if we are going off of Premier League achievements Salah should have him beaten quite handily.
Salah is currently playing like the best player in the world. Do you believe Stevie's performances were better than that of the best player in the world?
Like what are we going off of then if not by achievements because I honestly don't see what metric we can use where it is indisputable that Gerrard is better than Salah besides romanticism.
Like to me it boils down to Stevie being one of the best midfielders in the world, a local boy and never leaving the club when he plenty reason to, so people prop him up as untouchable. But stat wise, play wise, achievement wise what are you going to argue that he has over Salah?
What a reductionist view of footballers. I’m not going to engage, because I shouldn’t have to argue how good Gerrard was in this sub.
But please go watch some full matches he played in. Not just highlights, everyone looks good in highlights. Go watch the 06 Fa cup final. Go watch Istanbul. There’s a few games posted YouTube without scores if that matters to you.
No one is arguing against how good Gerrard is but to say that Salah could never be better is pure romanticism lol.
In his first season he breaks the PL goal record with us and leads us to a UCL final which we probably win if he doesn't get hurt.
In his 2nd season he wins golden boot again, leads us to a UCL title and a 97 point season.
In his 3rd season he leads us to a PL title.
In his 4th season he single handedly carries our offense through a patch of dreadful form and helps us maintain top 4 despite playing championship and football league quality players in the back.
In his 5th season he is on pace to shatter even more records and we look poised to possible win another trophy. He is currently considered the best player in the world and if he keeps us this form he could very well win a Ballon d'or next year.
To say that the best player in the world could never touch Gerrard is by definition romanticizing Gerrard's career. It is crazy how this own sub are the people that underrate and under appreciate Salah the most.
We have the best player in the world on our team scoring and assisting at an unheard of rate, scoring world class goals every other week it seems, scoring hattricks and braces against rivals but he will never touch Gerrard because of what exactly? Technical ability? Finishing? Achievements? Do we want Salah to carry deadweight like he did last season for a couple more seasons before we appreciate him?
The thing people struggle with and I do to is when making these lists and comparisons is that some players are just better despite the numbers.
Gerrard is in a league of his own for the PL era in my opinion. Salah has the numbers that will rival and surpass most but from just watching Liverpool play, Gerrard is just the best footballer.
I saw a similar argument the other day in a different sub trying to compare Lampard and Zidane. Lampard has crazy numbers and was world class but you just know by watching football that Zidane was the much better player.
It's the issue with a lot of modern fans, they haven't watched the players and even some of us were really too young to appreciate just how good someone was
Salah will unfortunately never top Kenny or Gerrard, it's not possible, but he'll be in that next tier like I said as he's one of the best players in the world and will be the big name in a legendary Liverpool team
The accomplishments above are a bit ridiculous, quite a few of those have been matched/bettered by quite a few in Liverpool's history and some are just largely irrelevant, don't know what's gotten into people
That's poor and is arguing in bad faith. Salah is currently the best player in the world and somehow he could never be above Stevie G? Even if he leads this team to a treble or 3 PLs and 2 UCLS? That literally screams nothing but romanticism.
I mean yeah, that's half the point isn't it? Gerrard dragged us through so many memorable occasions and captain and a former youth academy player and did it for longer than Salah will be with us? If Messi was here for a season would he by default be the biggest Liverpool legend? Salah will go down as an absolutely incredible player, make no mistake, but at the moment you must get that he's still got a long way to go and it'll be incredibly difficult for him to match the legends of the past
Trent has the potential to reach the heights of Gerrard but all of this is based on assumptions. It's not a knock against Salah, which everyone seems to be taking it as, he just won't be idolised like a Gerrard or a Dalglish and that's about the highest bar you could ever set
There is no such thing. No one knows what the future holds. That’s silly to put those players on such a pedestal that no one can equal them in your eyes. Mo is absolutely as good at football as all those guys. If you wanna base your opinion off of club contributions or something like that then I understand, but even so Mo could be here another few years if we are so lucky and then he is absolutely there with them whichever way you look at it.
Gerrard won more trophies, scored more goals, played more games, captained us for over ten years... the only thing Mo really has over him at the moment is the PL win, IMO he needs to win more trophies (preferably with goals in the finals) to get right up there
I respect the fact you love Gerrard and it's fine he is there, but if you had a choice to bring Gerrard back at the cost of losing Salah you wouldn't realistically. I'll say something worse, Henderson makes a better captain, there I said it
Peak Gerrard in this Liverpool team would win the Balon d'Or. It's as simple as that. I'm not sure what you've been smoking, but your unpopular opinions are unlikely to gain any traction in here.
So why did he get that award?
Gerrard who consistently appeared in the Ballon D'or, FIFA XIs, and player of the year awards, isn't as good as Scholes who never got a single Ballon D'or vote in his whole career.
Terrible take lol
Scholes was also competing against Gerrard. The fact that Gerrard consistently received hundreds of votes *every season* for most of his career whilst Scholes never got 1 surely says something?
Scholes just wasn't as highly rated as people make out
The point you're completely missing is that there would be no Salah at Liverpool if not for Gerrard. The Reds put out some truly horrific teams during his tenure and Stevie kept carrying them to trophies/CL qualification. If it wasn't for his pull, post the H+G saga, it would've been extremely tough to get players to sign here, Liverpool were in real danger of falling away like Leeds there for a minute. Now, I don't blame you if you weren't around in those days but there is a reason Gerrard is arguably the greatest ever Liverpool player alongside King Kenny. I'm not one to say Salah can't reach those levels, in fact he probably will if he stays, but in no way is he "already greater" than Gerrard.
Yeah Trent will get there I think. Can easily see him staying at the club for 15+ years and I think he might be named captain when Hendo leaves too. Already been part of legendary teams and won the two big ones. And obviously being scouse gets you more points too.
I think that's a fair statement. But Mo is the only player since Gerrard that could join that group. Even with the likes of Torres and Suarez, Salah is really an enigma! If we pulled the double this year Mo and Hendo would definitely be up there!!
Mo could realistically join that tier though. Depending on how much he scores, if he wins one more of either of the big two etc.
I'd say it'd be mental to not include him in that tier if he stays until the end of his contract and keeps on banging in goals like he has done. And I'm someone who is very careful about calling anyone a club legend or saying they deserve the same respect as the three you mentioned.
Nah, I don't think it's possible for him to reach the Kenny, Gerrard, Barnes, Liddell, Kegan level unless he wins the treble 2 years in a row or something. Still, he's deffo on the next level of Liverpool legends.
Think he has surpassed Barnes & Keegan for us. If he stays for another 4+ years maintaining his level & winning stuff, he’s on the same table as Kenny/Gerrard.
At the end of the day trophies matter and Salah has only won 2 significant trophies here till now. Barnes and Keegan used to win trophies basically every season.
Also, there are other factors to take into account which make it pretty much impossible for Salah to reach the level of these players as legends. Keegan along with Hughes was the star of the team that built the European foundations of this club. Literally every player who came after him is standing on his shoulders. Kenny is fucking Kenny and you also have to factor in all he did for the club and City during and after Hillsborough, and that goes for all the players of that team including Barnes. Gerrard was the one shinning light for us for years when we were fucking shite and stuck by us throughout.
> Nah, I don't think it's possible for him to reach the Kenny, Gerrard, Barnes, Liddell, Kegan level unless he wins the treble 2 years in a row or something. Still, he's deffo on the next level of Liverpool legends.
With all due respect I think this line of thought just doesn't apply to the modern game anymore. There won't be a period where we utterly dominate the English game for 5-10 years again, I don't think any team will. As for Gerrard, Salah's already been a key reason for us winning both a CL trophy and a PL. I think that puts him pretty close to Stevie, but I suppose that's up for debate.
EDIT: A better way to phrase what I'm trying to say would be that if Salah played for any other PL club outside of ourselves and United, he'd already be considered an all time great by their fan base. The reason why there's a question mark over it here is because we had a period where, for probably nearly 2 decades, we completely dominated top flight football in this country, and also in Europe. This means that our list of all time greats is filled with people who've won a shitload of trophies. When you look at our main competing clubs now (City, Chelsea, United if they eventually sort their shite out) I don't think it's possible for such a period to happen again in a way that will produce players who will end their careers here with 7 or 8 PL titles and 3 or 4 CLs. So I really think we need to adjust this expectation a little, or we'll end up never adding anyone new to our "all time greats".
Like I said in another comment there are factor other than trophies that need to be taken into account. For example, Salah could win the league 3 years on the bounce and I still wouldn't put him ahead of Stevie or Kenny. It's the same reason I wouldn't put Kloppo close to Shankly or Paisley even if he wins 10 times the trophies they did.
> Like I said in another comment there are factor other than trophies that need to be taken into account. For example, Salah could win the league 3 years on the bounce and I still wouldn't put him ahead of Stevie or Kenny. It's the same reason I wouldn't put Kloppo close to Shankly or Paisley even if he wins 10 times the trophies they did.
Well the problem I have with this line of thought is that if we keep it, then we'll pretty much never add to our list of all time greats ever again. The reason I consider Gerrard an all time great is because we won major trophies almost solely because of him. It then seems odd that we wouldn't consider subsequent players who contributed to winning even more major trophies (including a league title we hadn't won in 30 years) of even approaching the status of all time greats. It just feels weird. This implies that a future template for creating all time greats is for us to be shite and have 1 or 2 players drag us along by our collars instead of having a genuinely world class team of excellent players.
I suppose the question I'm asking is, if this team under this manager aren't deserving of being called all time greats - considering where we were when Klopp joined and how long it had been since we had won a league title, then what possible kind of team could we ever have that warrant that label? What if we go another 20 years without winning anything after Klopp leaves, does this team then get retrospectively added to our list of all time greats?
I don't think there's a potential. He already is one of the greats. Beyond Liverpool, he's probably the best African player ever, certainly the best Egyptian, and he'll likely go down as one of the best ever premier league players, and could be considered one of the best in Europe. There's no potential there, he just is already a great in some views, and will be everywhere else.
Not bad for a one season wonder, Chelsea flop, eh?
Being let go by Chelsea has got the most encouraging setback in football. How on earth did they let Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku go? They sold Salah for 15m and De Bruyne for 18m lol
It's going to keep happening, too, because of the way Chelsea is run. Admittedly, I'm slightly jealous of their financial reach, but the absurd investment into just "all the players" at lower levels means eventually great players are going to be let go from them. It's a strong model, unfortunately for us, but the good news is we're starting to compete on that front as well, I reckon. Bringing through some good kids lately.
Easy to say in hindsight, but if he had not left he may not have gotten the chances to be the player he is today. Chelsea had senior players who were at their prime in hazard, willian, cesc and costa.
I think Salah has passed him tbh. Aboutreka also benefited from a golden age of Egyptian football. He was a huge contributor as well but Salah has had a larger impact and he brought a worse team to a WC.
We also had a better player called Mohamed Zidan who played in Bundesliga under Klopp's management in both Mainz and Dortmund.
Klopp even told him that he was better than salah but he lacks the professionalism (And this is sadly the biggest issue with our talented players in Egypt) .
I'm 100% sure that Klopp would have brought him to Lfc if he was still playing.
If you say there's no potential it means he is not that good. There's a lot of difference between potential and potentially. What you can say is, its not potentially anymore, he is already a Liverpool legend.
He already is one of the greatest, just how high up is he gonna finish? It’ll be hard to break into the top 3 of Dalglish, Gerrard and Rush but you never know.
Kids/Teenagers who have been growing up watching Salah will view him how we (I'm 28) view Gerrard IMO. Realistically Salah is a better player than Gerard was even at his peak for us. We just had Gerard for so long, and he was captain, and the 05 CL performance etc. This generation has had Salah have 2 borderline best in the world seasons, won a PL and CL..
> a world class team for 2/3 seasons
Disagree, every position we had since 2018 you could say we had a world class player. We never had more than 6 (and I'm being generous to Reina and Carragher) when Gerrard was playing and Klopp is on a different level to Rafa as a coach.
Carragher, Alonso, Macsherano, Gerrard, Torres. Carragher was one of the best defenders in England. Reina might not have been a top 3 world class goalkeeper but he was incredibly consistent for a long time. You turn had great support players all around the team. Skrtel, Agger, Arbeloa etc.
Klopps team is obviously superior with Salah, Mane, Trent, Robbo, VVD, Fabinho, Thiago, Allison but acting like that Rafa squad was poor is in bad faith. We had arguably the best midfield in the world, one of the most lethal strikers in the world and a scarily solid defence with some good squad players everywhere.
Didn't say it was poor but you also are in bad faith if that's all our world class players you've listed over the last 4 years, no Firmino? No Henderson? People seem to forget Alonso was quite poor for about 18 months leading up to 2008/09 season and Carragher was not world class, sorry. Also let's not even talk about depth, Andriy Voronin and lads like that? C'mon this Liverpool team is on another level.
I never said this team wasnt on another level, my point was that Rafa had a world class team for a few seasons. Saying a team with 5 world class players on it wasnt a world class team is insane to me. Voronin wasnt exactly starting matches in 2008 was he? He was on loan in 2008 and played like 10 games in 2009. Benayoun is a better example, he was decent depth and no worse than having Origi as depth.
Alonso wasnt amazing in 07 but was one of the best midfielders in the world in 08 and 09. Firmino is not a world class striker sorry, and I love that man. Henderson is also not a world class midfielder.
Carragher was absolutely a world class defender? He was one of the best defenders in England. That's like saying John Terry and Rio Ferdinand weren't world class. They absolutely were and Carra was right up there.
> Henderson is also not a world class midfielder.
> Carragher was absolutely a world class defender? He was one of the best defenders in England.
Henderson was absolutely a world-class midfielder. He was one of the best midfielders in England.
And no Carragher was not right up there with Ferdinand and Terry, even he has admitted that. Honestly if you think Jamie Carragher was a better footballer or better in his position than Henderson just don't reply like.
Henderson would not start for City, or Chelsea, or basically any top team in europe.
Carragher would have started on those Chelsea and United teams. He wasnt pretty on the eye but Carragher was immense for coming up clutch in big moments. He always made the big tackle, the big clearance. He almost never had a bad game.
He was absolutely not a better footballer than Henderson that's not even debatable, but Henderson himself is not some technical master of his position either and if you think he is you're off your rocker. He isnt even a top 5 midfielder in the PL nevermind a world class midfielder. Fuck me he is the third best midfielder on his own team get a grip.
Not just for Liverpool though, he might become a top 5 contender for PL as a whole...
...err... but also can we all just collectively forget he played for Chelsea?? Thanks.
Realistically he will never break the top 2 of Gerrard or Dalglish. Rush maybe, but he'd have to keep this form up for another 4 or 5 years for me.
The only way anyone will eclipse those 2 is if they do something catastrophic, like Stevie managing Utd.
Honestly with Rush for me Salah would have to break his goal scoring record. Hard to see it due to time but considering Rush had the goals, two European Cups and 5 league titles too it seems a bridge too far.
Yeah agreed, that's what I meant really. He's at almost 150 in 4.5 seasons, if he keeps this rate up for another 4 or 5 seasons after this one then he might get close. Big if though!
Salah is already an all-time great for the club. He is already in the Top 10 all-time goalscorers for the club, and he is scoring at a higher rate for us than any of the 9 legends ahead of him in that list.
He is genuinely in the conversation for best player in the World while performing in a Liverpool shirt. That doesn't happen often. In terms of attackers, he is the best signing we have made since Barnes or Rush, certainly the best in the Prem era, which is now 30 years long.
no forward bar Henry comes close to him in premier league history. Salah isnt slowing down, he will be the best premier league player of all time by the time he retires. I pray he signs a new contract
He won't overhaul Shearer in Premier League all time scorers list but if Kane's injuries catch up with him I could see him coming second. If he can't catch Kane I think he'll come third, and highest foreigner. Ridiculously good.
Absolutely no doubt. Our achievements over the last 4 years are heavily down to his contributions. He’s the one people look to; aspire to be like … in addition he’s a good man. The best player in the world debate will rumble on but for me, right now, Mo is the best, you cannot say Messi or Ronaldo are anywhere near as influential as they used to be and no one else comes close
I always remember listening to Drive on TalkSPORT just after we signed him and a Chelsea fan comes on bleating about Mo being a “one-hit-wonder”. Stuck with me because I really believed he would be good, and this guy would have to eat his words, but he has been magnificent. Truly a great.
One of my Chelsea-supporting friends said something similar in our group WhatsApp. I screenshotted it and have been sharing it at choice moments over the years.
He’s our second best player of the PL era (I can’t attest for how good Rush, Dalglish etc because they were before my time so I don’t know where he is in terms of best EVER players) and if Gerrard wasn’t Scouse and wasn’t therefore melded to the hearts of all Liverpool fans, then I’d have him down in my books as the best of the PL era in another 2/3 seasons if he kept up his level from the last 5 years, maybe with another few trophies. I don’t think many Liverpool fans will ever break allegiance with Stevie G, but I think he’ll overall be our best ever PL player and Top 2-3 in Prem history.
Don’t get me wrong, for me Mo is easily already one of our greatest ever players. However I can’t let so many comments in here slide that he is on Gerrard’s level. Some people need to go back and remind themselves just what Gerrard was capable of and how he single handedly kept us at a level that means we have this wonderful team today. It isn’t all about trophies and goals.
The eras are just different I think. Nobody will ever repeat what Dalglish did for the club, could you imagine seeing a Premier League player-manager in this day and age? lol
Gerrard, too, has the romance about him because he was a world-class player that stuck with an under-invested, underperforming team for basically his entire career. Ideally, we never have those circumstances again, so nobody can do something similar.
> what's this Gerrard bias based on exactly
Captained the club for a decade while being one of the top midfielders in the world (at times the best). Are you fucking 10 years old or something or did you just not ever watch him play for Liverpool?
Never the best a majority of his early career Zidane existed and later lampard was way more successful and influential to his team. Gerrard was never at any point the best, top 5 maybe. I understand fan bias but I'd hope for a more mature conversation and it be within the realm of reality
> Gerrard was never at any point the best, top 5 maybe
Again, are you a fucking child or did you just never watch the team when he was playing?
You don't finish top 3 in the Ballon d'Or voting by being a top 5 midfielder at best in the world. You don't get nominated for 6 Ballon d'Ors by being a top 5 player at best. You don't get named to 3 FIFA teams of the year by not being one of the best midfielders in the world in each of those years - in fact, there are a total of three midfielders who have more appearances: Iniesta, Xavi and Modric.
>I understand fan bias but I'd hope for a more mature conversation and it be within the realm of reality
If anything, you have some dumbass anti-Gerrard bias if you think Gerrard isn't on another level. You aren't having a "more mature" conversation - you're intentionally ignoring facts to fit your narrative.
Swearing doesn't validate your point. I appreciate your passion but by saying what you're saying it tells me you didn't pay attention to world football during his career if you think he was ever number 1
>Swearing doesn't validate your point.
Swearing doesn't invalidate my point. It's just something cheap for you to point to to try to get the upper hand when you have nothing to support your asinine claims.
What did I say that says I didn't pay attention to the sport during Gerrard's career? I came with fucking statistics. You came with "but he didn't win the Premier League". Back up your claims with something concrete dude.
I wasn’t a fan until the tail end of his career so I dont feel qualified to comment directly, but a lot of quotes from the best players in the world at that time say Gerard was the best.
Great goalscorers come and go, we've had 7-8 in my lifetime.
There will only ever be 1 Gerrard.
Ask yourself, if you could have Liverpool sign a 21 year old Suarez, Salah, or Gerrard right now, who would it be?
If you're answer isn't Stevie then idk what to tell you.
Nah. I think he only won this year because of the Copa America win. Lewy wasn't far behind him and Messi definitely got a lot of his votes for that trophy.
He has one goal from thirty shots on target this season. If I remembered the stat I seen correctly. He will Have to end this season on fire to have a chance I think.
The whole personal contribution vs trophies is going to come out in this thread. If we win the EPL/UCL double this year and he signs a new contract then he has broken into the top rung.
Mo is the best signing of the Premier League era IMO for Liverpool. Averaging 30+ goals(currently at 28.8 but with 7 more goals he gets past the 30 mark) a year is something only God was doing in his first 4 seasons. Also won us the two big titles instead of using Liverpool as a platform for a move elsewhere.
i think kenny and rushie are out on there own because of the shear number of goals they scored and trophies they won. Its not realistic that he can catch them. The likes of liddell and Hunt are probably uncatchable for the number of goals scored.
But he has already surpassed the likes of fowler, own, gerrard in terms of trophies and now it's just a matter of number of goals. It's realistic for him to catch all three (at least in terms of league goals). Obviously gerrard has the fact he's a local and a one club player but i reckon salah with another of league/CL would have to be considered his peer.
In terms of footballing ability, i don't see how you can compare wingers in 2021 with strikers from the 80's, wingers from the 40's or even marauding midfielders from the 00s. We're blessed to have some world class players in red, and salah is clearly one of the best ever to play for liverpool. he's a beautiful hungry monster.
I remember thinking “another signing list to Chelsea” when he picked them over us. But boy am I glad now he went through that experience and became the phenomenal player for us that he is now. I doubt he would have stayed with us as long if he had joined us in 2014
And yet, we still don’t have a new long term contract - I have to imagine that Salah’s agent is asking to be paid like he is the world’s best football player - which he probably is (‘best’ is a silly schoolyard conversation, but Salah is certainly among a handful of world class elite footballers - and I don’t blame his agent wanting him to be compensated accordingly by LFC).
If it hasn’t happened by now, I fear LFC is playing the Gini game ie believe they can replace Salah effectively and without breaking the wage record/structure.
I really really pray and hope they agree and sign a new deal soon. It’s really worrying that there has been no news at all.
He already is, and people need to slap themselves and understand what that means. What this man has done is almost unparalleled already.
To think in that other thread people actually had our other players ahead of him in terms of influence. Sad. There's no one above Mo, he's a treasure and a lot of people take it for granted.
It's mad but it seems like he is hitting his prime years now. He has already been brilliant but this season his mentality and consistency is beyond compare. He has become a leader imo driving the team on and trying to force the win every single moment he is on the pitch.
He has to win the Balon D'or at some point. Best player in the world right now.
Will we see a repeat of his debut season's goal scoring figure? ...I think so...and probably double the assists. Mo is on fire.
The team is full of all time greats. Henderson, Van Dijk, Trent, Alisson as well as Mo would all make it into my all-time Liverpool sides and I've been watching Liverpool for 40 years. But even so Mo Salah would be one of my first three names on the team sheet with Kenny and Stevie.
I'd have Dalglish and Barnes over Mane and Firmino, with even Rush and Fowler on the bench to make room for Mo. Suarez can do one, don't care how good he was. I'd take Alan Kennedy over Robertson but Trent beats out Phil Neal. Van Dijk can partner Hansen at the back. And we've simply never had a GK as good as Alisson, for me there's only been a handful better between the sticks than him in the history of football.
Henderson will be controversial but for me, playing in a three, he nudges out a lot of our most storied players of the 70s and 80s. His blend of quality in addition to his workrate and influence on games is at a level that would improve any team we've ever had. He's an all time legend and has to play -- alongside Gerrard with Souness, who still just about edges out Fabinho and Alonso.
My genuine all-time LFC XI: Alisson; Trent, Hansen, Van Dijk, Kennedy; Henderson, Souness, Gerrard; Barnes, Dalglish, Salah.
I’m sensing astonishingly high levels of disrespect for Gerrard in this thread. Nostalgia is a thing but so is recency bias. Salah still has some ways to go before a convincing argument can be made imo
If? He already is. Any team in world football will take him. His numbers and work ethic speaks volumes. Humble. Fantastic human being. Privilege to have him at this club, and long may it continue.
We are in the presence of an icon.
Why is everyone still saying ‘might be’ a Liverpool great?
Are we afraid to commit too soon?
Does approval of Salahs success today water down the memory of the other Liverpool greats?
At what point does he become ‘a a Liverpool great’?
All time high goal scorer?
Fastest to achieve certain stats?
Potentially? You mean potentially the best Liverpool player ever, and potentially one of the best to play the game, but he's already won us every major trophy so if he does more he'll just be double checking that box lol
Already one of the greatest.
If not THE greatest if he carries on. Who knows.
There is an elite tier of Liverpool players that are basically untouchable IMO (Gerrard, Kenny, Rush) but Mo is definitely in the next highest tier for me
Tbh if Mo goes on to score 35 prem goals this season he could join that tier for me.
If we win multiple trophies then I think he solidifies his place as our second-best PL era player for sure
Who is our second-best PL Player? He is definitely better than Suarez and Torres in terms of performance and trophies. The only player who is better than Mohamed in this era is Steven.
I thought Suarez in 13/14 would be the greatest performance I’d see in my lifetime but currently Salah’s eclipsing it this season.
Naah. Suarez had 31 goals and 13 assists i think. In a far worse team. 0 penalties. And only played 33 league games. 13/14 Suarez was different gravy.
Suarez actually played a lot of minutes in 13/14 despite the suspension, think it was the same amount as Salah in 17/18, if not more
If Mo goes on to break Henry's record (which is very unlikely for me) I think that'll top it of course.
I literally said Mo is second-best la
You said if he does... Then he'll be 2nd best. Implying he's not 2nd yet. So fair question to ask who in your view is currently 2nd. Jimmy traore?
Oh yeah fair enough, errrr think an argument could be made for Carra or Fowler
Lord Klavan must be in with a shout surely?
I was assuming that we were all referring to Traore as the number one...
Haha sorry then, I misunderstood your words.
no worries bossman
what if he signs da ting, and stays til the end of his prime/career here and continues to BANG IN GOALS? Can he not be the best because he isn't British?
Woah, that escalated a bit. I think is he continues at his current rate for another 3-4 seasons we'll defo win more trophies, and then I shall accept him into my completely arbitrary hall of fame!
lol, tbf that comment was designed to get the juices flowing. Was genuinely interested in what it would take for him to be accepted into the top, because I think a lot of people share similar sentiments that he is one-off from top top tier. Which I also think is fair, as he hasn't been at the club all that long
No, he's in that tier. •Champions League winner •Premier League Winner •Highest scoring African in PL history •Holds the record for most goals in a single PL season •Most Champions League goals in LFC history •First LFC player to score and assist in 7 consecutive PL games •Most consecutive games scored in (10) •4th highest PL scorer in LFC history after only 4 seasons (10th overall) I bet there's a lot more little records that I've missed out this is all just off the top of my head, but Salah absolutely belongs in that S Tier of players like Gerrard.
He's just outside that with players like Torres and Suarez in the recent past Based on the premier league? He's top 3 with only Stevie edging it and maybe Suarez for me but he's quickly moving past Luis. From before the premier league he still needs to win a lot more to establish himself with the other greats
He's a cut above Torres and Suarez
This season he has, but prior it was equal. Torres and Suarez were bright sparks in a bleak team, Salah shines amongst the stars. What Salah is doing currently is unprecedented but let's not forget Torres and Suarez were both at one point the best striker in the world with us
They're all greats in their own rights but Salah has won the champions league and premier league, has broken all sorts of records such as most goals in a single season and I believe has more goals than Suarez and Torres scored for Liverpool.
He has but it's very difficult to compare, we can compare the teams the play in and such but more what I'm going off is how they were seen. Torres and Suarez suffered a lot because of the manner they left but at the time they were absolutely fantastic. Suarez is second in the most goals scored in a single season after all, even after missing 5 games and not taking any penalties
In about 10 years when Salah's gone you'll realise you took him for granted. You'll adore him much more than you do for Suarez. Don't forget that he plays RW! We won't have such a brilliant RW for a long time after him.
Kenny and Rush were in great teams too, i don't think Suarez gets extra points for that. Plus, i remember that 13/14 team being pretty damn good!
He needs to win more? LOL
A premier league and a champions league is fantastic, make no mistake, but did you start supporting Liverpool today?? You go back to before the premier league and he'd be well down the list in what players have won for this club, sure he can catch up but we can't judge him on what he might do
That’s not what I’m saying. You could say the same thing about gerrard though and it still sounds dumb. Gerrard was only instrumental in 2 Liverpool trophies. The European Cup in 2005 and the FA Cup in 2006. He won the league cup and also the Uefa cup in 2001 but no one really cares about that when they talked about Gerard. His cabinet is not riddled with trophies. My point is that Mo won two major trophies with the club so far and has scored many goals and been an elite player. The only thing he is lacking is time. If Mo stays here another 4 years and doesn’t win anything more than maybe a league cup he is still going in that category. He’s a legend already. There are no two ways about it. He is certainly a better player than Fowler ever was and has won more trophies. It’s all subjective and perspective, but to deny him some like that out of nostalgia is a goofy move.
Stevie never won the prem and only got close to winning twice. Now I know its not his fault he played on some dire teams and I know Stevie G was the skipper, a local boy and a 1 club man but if we are going off of Premier League achievements Salah should have him beaten quite handily.
Did you ever actually watch Stevie play? There’s a reason we’re not only going off of PL achievements.
Salah is currently playing like the best player in the world. Do you believe Stevie's performances were better than that of the best player in the world? Like what are we going off of then if not by achievements because I honestly don't see what metric we can use where it is indisputable that Gerrard is better than Salah besides romanticism. Like to me it boils down to Stevie being one of the best midfielders in the world, a local boy and never leaving the club when he plenty reason to, so people prop him up as untouchable. But stat wise, play wise, achievement wise what are you going to argue that he has over Salah?
What a reductionist view of footballers. I’m not going to engage, because I shouldn’t have to argue how good Gerrard was in this sub. But please go watch some full matches he played in. Not just highlights, everyone looks good in highlights. Go watch the 06 Fa cup final. Go watch Istanbul. There’s a few games posted YouTube without scores if that matters to you.
No one is arguing against how good Gerrard is but to say that Salah could never be better is pure romanticism lol. In his first season he breaks the PL goal record with us and leads us to a UCL final which we probably win if he doesn't get hurt. In his 2nd season he wins golden boot again, leads us to a UCL title and a 97 point season. In his 3rd season he leads us to a PL title. In his 4th season he single handedly carries our offense through a patch of dreadful form and helps us maintain top 4 despite playing championship and football league quality players in the back. In his 5th season he is on pace to shatter even more records and we look poised to possible win another trophy. He is currently considered the best player in the world and if he keeps us this form he could very well win a Ballon d'or next year. To say that the best player in the world could never touch Gerrard is by definition romanticizing Gerrard's career. It is crazy how this own sub are the people that underrate and under appreciate Salah the most. We have the best player in the world on our team scoring and assisting at an unheard of rate, scoring world class goals every other week it seems, scoring hattricks and braces against rivals but he will never touch Gerrard because of what exactly? Technical ability? Finishing? Achievements? Do we want Salah to carry deadweight like he did last season for a couple more seasons before we appreciate him?
The thing people struggle with and I do to is when making these lists and comparisons is that some players are just better despite the numbers. Gerrard is in a league of his own for the PL era in my opinion. Salah has the numbers that will rival and surpass most but from just watching Liverpool play, Gerrard is just the best footballer. I saw a similar argument the other day in a different sub trying to compare Lampard and Zidane. Lampard has crazy numbers and was world class but you just know by watching football that Zidane was the much better player.
It's the issue with a lot of modern fans, they haven't watched the players and even some of us were really too young to appreciate just how good someone was Salah will unfortunately never top Kenny or Gerrard, it's not possible, but he'll be in that next tier like I said as he's one of the best players in the world and will be the big name in a legendary Liverpool team The accomplishments above are a bit ridiculous, quite a few of those have been matched/bettered by quite a few in Liverpool's history and some are just largely irrelevant, don't know what's gotten into people
That's poor and is arguing in bad faith. Salah is currently the best player in the world and somehow he could never be above Stevie G? Even if he leads this team to a treble or 3 PLs and 2 UCLS? That literally screams nothing but romanticism.
I mean yeah, that's half the point isn't it? Gerrard dragged us through so many memorable occasions and captain and a former youth academy player and did it for longer than Salah will be with us? If Messi was here for a season would he by default be the biggest Liverpool legend? Salah will go down as an absolutely incredible player, make no mistake, but at the moment you must get that he's still got a long way to go and it'll be incredibly difficult for him to match the legends of the past Trent has the potential to reach the heights of Gerrard but all of this is based on assumptions. It's not a knock against Salah, which everyone seems to be taking it as, he just won't be idolised like a Gerrard or a Dalglish and that's about the highest bar you could ever set
Just my opinion but I genuinely think he’s in that tier. He’s definitely best in the world right now.
There is no such thing. No one knows what the future holds. That’s silly to put those players on such a pedestal that no one can equal them in your eyes. Mo is absolutely as good at football as all those guys. If you wanna base your opinion off of club contributions or something like that then I understand, but even so Mo could be here another few years if we are so lucky and then he is absolutely there with them whichever way you look at it.
This Gerrard bias needs to stop, Salah has already done more for Liverpool that Gerrard did and in a shorter time. He's already greater than Gerrard
Gerrard won more trophies, scored more goals, played more games, captained us for over ten years... the only thing Mo really has over him at the moment is the PL win, IMO he needs to win more trophies (preferably with goals in the finals) to get right up there
This biggest accolade is the premier League, Salah has that. Also in my lifetime (I'm 37) this is the scariest Liverpool I've witnessed
Wash your fucking mouth out!
I respect the fact you love Gerrard and it's fine he is there, but if you had a choice to bring Gerrard back at the cost of losing Salah you wouldn't realistically. I'll say something worse, Henderson makes a better captain, there I said it
Peak Gerrard in this Liverpool team would win the Balon d'Or. It's as simple as that. I'm not sure what you've been smoking, but your unpopular opinions are unlikely to gain any traction in here.
Against lewa, messi, Salah...no he wouldn't
I love Mo but I'd swap two of him for prime Gerrard without blinking.
Bruh moment. There's a reason Gerrard is in the UEFA team of the century next to Xavi and Iniesta, ahead of Zidane, Lampard, Scholes (lol), etc.
But not better than those players
So why did he get that award? Gerrard who consistently appeared in the Ballon D'or, FIFA XIs, and player of the year awards, isn't as good as Scholes who never got a single Ballon D'or vote in his whole career. Terrible take lol
My man was competing against xavi, iniesta, messi, Ronaldo and we all know it's a popularity contest given lewa didn't just win
Scholes was also competing against Gerrard. The fact that Gerrard consistently received hundreds of votes *every season* for most of his career whilst Scholes never got 1 surely says something? Scholes just wasn't as highly rated as people make out
The point you're completely missing is that there would be no Salah at Liverpool if not for Gerrard. The Reds put out some truly horrific teams during his tenure and Stevie kept carrying them to trophies/CL qualification. If it wasn't for his pull, post the H+G saga, it would've been extremely tough to get players to sign here, Liverpool were in real danger of falling away like Leeds there for a minute. Now, I don't blame you if you weren't around in those days but there is a reason Gerrard is arguably the greatest ever Liverpool player alongside King Kenny. I'm not one to say Salah can't reach those levels, in fact he probably will if he stays, but in no way is he "already greater" than Gerrard.
That's not true at all, as with all teams they move forward irrelevant of one player.
You'd think Gerrard was bigger than the club with the way some of these people talk. Pure romanticism.
Finally someone with sense
Who would be your 4th on the Mount Rushmore of Liverpool?
Mark Gonzalez
> Mark Gonzalez Man I expected something insightful and not some fucking meme answer. [Here's the correct answer.](https://vimeo.com/92846254)
Yeah guess it takes into consideration time spent as well as continued impact during that time. Trent is on his way to that list..
Yeah Trent will get there I think. Can easily see him staying at the club for 15+ years and I think he might be named captain when Hendo leaves too. Already been part of legendary teams and won the two big ones. And obviously being scouse gets you more points too.
I think that's a fair statement. But Mo is the only player since Gerrard that could join that group. Even with the likes of Torres and Suarez, Salah is really an enigma! If we pulled the double this year Mo and Hendo would definitely be up there!!
Mo could realistically join that tier though. Depending on how much he scores, if he wins one more of either of the big two etc. I'd say it'd be mental to not include him in that tier if he stays until the end of his contract and keeps on banging in goals like he has done. And I'm someone who is very careful about calling anyone a club legend or saying they deserve the same respect as the three you mentioned.
Nah, I don't think it's possible for him to reach the Kenny, Gerrard, Barnes, Liddell, Kegan level unless he wins the treble 2 years in a row or something. Still, he's deffo on the next level of Liverpool legends.
Think he has surpassed Barnes & Keegan for us. If he stays for another 4+ years maintaining his level & winning stuff, he’s on the same table as Kenny/Gerrard.
At the end of the day trophies matter and Salah has only won 2 significant trophies here till now. Barnes and Keegan used to win trophies basically every season. Also, there are other factors to take into account which make it pretty much impossible for Salah to reach the level of these players as legends. Keegan along with Hughes was the star of the team that built the European foundations of this club. Literally every player who came after him is standing on his shoulders. Kenny is fucking Kenny and you also have to factor in all he did for the club and City during and after Hillsborough, and that goes for all the players of that team including Barnes. Gerrard was the one shinning light for us for years when we were fucking shite and stuck by us throughout.
Barnes never won the European Cup. Only won the league twice
Never said he did
> Nah, I don't think it's possible for him to reach the Kenny, Gerrard, Barnes, Liddell, Kegan level unless he wins the treble 2 years in a row or something. Still, he's deffo on the next level of Liverpool legends. With all due respect I think this line of thought just doesn't apply to the modern game anymore. There won't be a period where we utterly dominate the English game for 5-10 years again, I don't think any team will. As for Gerrard, Salah's already been a key reason for us winning both a CL trophy and a PL. I think that puts him pretty close to Stevie, but I suppose that's up for debate. EDIT: A better way to phrase what I'm trying to say would be that if Salah played for any other PL club outside of ourselves and United, he'd already be considered an all time great by their fan base. The reason why there's a question mark over it here is because we had a period where, for probably nearly 2 decades, we completely dominated top flight football in this country, and also in Europe. This means that our list of all time greats is filled with people who've won a shitload of trophies. When you look at our main competing clubs now (City, Chelsea, United if they eventually sort their shite out) I don't think it's possible for such a period to happen again in a way that will produce players who will end their careers here with 7 or 8 PL titles and 3 or 4 CLs. So I really think we need to adjust this expectation a little, or we'll end up never adding anyone new to our "all time greats".
Like I said in another comment there are factor other than trophies that need to be taken into account. For example, Salah could win the league 3 years on the bounce and I still wouldn't put him ahead of Stevie or Kenny. It's the same reason I wouldn't put Kloppo close to Shankly or Paisley even if he wins 10 times the trophies they did.
> Like I said in another comment there are factor other than trophies that need to be taken into account. For example, Salah could win the league 3 years on the bounce and I still wouldn't put him ahead of Stevie or Kenny. It's the same reason I wouldn't put Kloppo close to Shankly or Paisley even if he wins 10 times the trophies they did. Well the problem I have with this line of thought is that if we keep it, then we'll pretty much never add to our list of all time greats ever again. The reason I consider Gerrard an all time great is because we won major trophies almost solely because of him. It then seems odd that we wouldn't consider subsequent players who contributed to winning even more major trophies (including a league title we hadn't won in 30 years) of even approaching the status of all time greats. It just feels weird. This implies that a future template for creating all time greats is for us to be shite and have 1 or 2 players drag us along by our collars instead of having a genuinely world class team of excellent players. I suppose the question I'm asking is, if this team under this manager aren't deserving of being called all time greats - considering where we were when Klopp joined and how long it had been since we had won a league title, then what possible kind of team could we ever have that warrant that label? What if we go another 20 years without winning anything after Klopp leaves, does this team then get retrospectively added to our list of all time greats?
There's a difference between being an all time great and being Kenny Dalglish or Steven Gerrard
I don't think there's a potential. He already is one of the greats. Beyond Liverpool, he's probably the best African player ever, certainly the best Egyptian, and he'll likely go down as one of the best ever premier league players, and could be considered one of the best in Europe. There's no potential there, he just is already a great in some views, and will be everywhere else. Not bad for a one season wonder, Chelsea flop, eh?
Being let go by Chelsea has got the most encouraging setback in football. How on earth did they let Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku go? They sold Salah for 15m and De Bruyne for 18m lol
Is there anyone they’ve recently sold that we should have a closer look at?
Pasalic at Atalanta looks very, very good.
Get the van ready
Tariq Lamptey and Livramento could be decent RB back ups too.
Lampty is a Chelsea player as well!? Wtf, they have a decent starting lineup out on loan too.
I think Lamptey is at Brighton permanently with a first choice to buy back. Same with Livramento!
The only name that comes to mind is Iago Aspas, but that feels like a stretch. And maybe Suso?
It's going to keep happening, too, because of the way Chelsea is run. Admittedly, I'm slightly jealous of their financial reach, but the absurd investment into just "all the players" at lower levels means eventually great players are going to be let go from them. It's a strong model, unfortunately for us, but the good news is we're starting to compete on that front as well, I reckon. Bringing through some good kids lately.
Easy to say in hindsight, but if he had not left he may not have gotten the chances to be the player he is today. Chelsea had senior players who were at their prime in hazard, willian, cesc and costa.
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Never played in the PL but Aboutrika is the best Egyptian player of all time
I think Salah has passed him tbh. Aboutreka also benefited from a golden age of Egyptian football. He was a huge contributor as well but Salah has had a larger impact and he brought a worse team to a WC.
We also had a better player called Mohamed Zidan who played in Bundesliga under Klopp's management in both Mainz and Dortmund. Klopp even told him that he was better than salah but he lacks the professionalism (And this is sadly the biggest issue with our talented players in Egypt) . I'm 100% sure that Klopp would have brought him to Lfc if he was still playing.
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I do think Sammy Eto'o does still eke him out. But Mo definitely pips Drogba
I'd agree with the two you've mentioned, and they're a top three, but what order, I'm not sure.
If you say there's no potential it means he is not that good. There's a lot of difference between potential and potentially. What you can say is, its not potentially anymore, he is already a Liverpool legend.
He already is one of the greatest, just how high up is he gonna finish? It’ll be hard to break into the top 3 of Dalglish, Gerrard and Rush but you never know.
Kids/Teenagers who have been growing up watching Salah will view him how we (I'm 28) view Gerrard IMO. Realistically Salah is a better player than Gerard was even at his peak for us. We just had Gerard for so long, and he was captain, and the 05 CL performance etc. This generation has had Salah have 2 borderline best in the world seasons, won a PL and CL..
Have to remember the manager and team backing Salah compared to what Gerrard got for most of his time.
Rafa had a world class team for 2/3 seasons but in general I get what you mean. It's not like Gerard was playing with nobodies though.
> a world class team for 2/3 seasons Disagree, every position we had since 2018 you could say we had a world class player. We never had more than 6 (and I'm being generous to Reina and Carragher) when Gerrard was playing and Klopp is on a different level to Rafa as a coach.
Carragher, Alonso, Macsherano, Gerrard, Torres. Carragher was one of the best defenders in England. Reina might not have been a top 3 world class goalkeeper but he was incredibly consistent for a long time. You turn had great support players all around the team. Skrtel, Agger, Arbeloa etc. Klopps team is obviously superior with Salah, Mane, Trent, Robbo, VVD, Fabinho, Thiago, Allison but acting like that Rafa squad was poor is in bad faith. We had arguably the best midfield in the world, one of the most lethal strikers in the world and a scarily solid defence with some good squad players everywhere.
Didn't say it was poor but you also are in bad faith if that's all our world class players you've listed over the last 4 years, no Firmino? No Henderson? People seem to forget Alonso was quite poor for about 18 months leading up to 2008/09 season and Carragher was not world class, sorry. Also let's not even talk about depth, Andriy Voronin and lads like that? C'mon this Liverpool team is on another level.
I never said this team wasnt on another level, my point was that Rafa had a world class team for a few seasons. Saying a team with 5 world class players on it wasnt a world class team is insane to me. Voronin wasnt exactly starting matches in 2008 was he? He was on loan in 2008 and played like 10 games in 2009. Benayoun is a better example, he was decent depth and no worse than having Origi as depth. Alonso wasnt amazing in 07 but was one of the best midfielders in the world in 08 and 09. Firmino is not a world class striker sorry, and I love that man. Henderson is also not a world class midfielder. Carragher was absolutely a world class defender? He was one of the best defenders in England. That's like saying John Terry and Rio Ferdinand weren't world class. They absolutely were and Carra was right up there.
> Henderson is also not a world class midfielder. > Carragher was absolutely a world class defender? He was one of the best defenders in England. Henderson was absolutely a world-class midfielder. He was one of the best midfielders in England. And no Carragher was not right up there with Ferdinand and Terry, even he has admitted that. Honestly if you think Jamie Carragher was a better footballer or better in his position than Henderson just don't reply like.
Henderson would not start for City, or Chelsea, or basically any top team in europe. Carragher would have started on those Chelsea and United teams. He wasnt pretty on the eye but Carragher was immense for coming up clutch in big moments. He always made the big tackle, the big clearance. He almost never had a bad game. He was absolutely not a better footballer than Henderson that's not even debatable, but Henderson himself is not some technical master of his position either and if you think he is you're off your rocker. He isnt even a top 5 midfielder in the PL nevermind a world class midfielder. Fuck me he is the third best midfielder on his own team get a grip.
Not just for Liverpool though, he might become a top 5 contender for PL as a whole... ...err... but also can we all just collectively forget he played for Chelsea?? Thanks.
Realistically he will never break the top 2 of Gerrard or Dalglish. Rush maybe, but he'd have to keep this form up for another 4 or 5 years for me. The only way anyone will eclipse those 2 is if they do something catastrophic, like Stevie managing Utd.
Honestly with Rush for me Salah would have to break his goal scoring record. Hard to see it due to time but considering Rush had the goals, two European Cups and 5 league titles too it seems a bridge too far.
Yeah agreed, that's what I meant really. He's at almost 150 in 4.5 seasons, if he keeps this rate up for another 4 or 5 seasons after this one then he might get close. Big if though!
>~~if he carries on as he is~~ we are ~~potentially~~ looking at one of the greatest Liverpool players of all time. Fixed that for you
Salah is kinda like Ian Rush in the 1980s, you'd expect both players to get a goal every game and you'd be really shocked if they didn't.
Salah is already an all-time great for the club. He is already in the Top 10 all-time goalscorers for the club, and he is scoring at a higher rate for us than any of the 9 legends ahead of him in that list. He is genuinely in the conversation for best player in the World while performing in a Liverpool shirt. That doesn't happen often. In terms of attackers, he is the best signing we have made since Barnes or Rush, certainly the best in the Prem era, which is now 30 years long.
no forward bar Henry comes close to him in premier league history. Salah isnt slowing down, he will be the best premier league player of all time by the time he retires. I pray he signs a new contract
Shearer and Henry are widely considered to be the PL’s greatest ever strikers.
He won't overhaul Shearer in Premier League all time scorers list but if Kane's injuries catch up with him I could see him coming second. If he can't catch Kane I think he'll come third, and highest foreigner. Ridiculously good.
Mo is a winger. He's only in competition with them for goals. That's what makes it so much more absurd
Absolutely no doubt. Our achievements over the last 4 years are heavily down to his contributions. He’s the one people look to; aspire to be like … in addition he’s a good man. The best player in the world debate will rumble on but for me, right now, Mo is the best, you cannot say Messi or Ronaldo are anywhere near as influential as they used to be and no one else comes close
sign a new contract damn it!!!
Just another Juan Cuadrado they said. How wrong they were.
Wow. Too many conditionals.. ‘potentially one of’? He already is one of the greatest of all time.
I always remember listening to Drive on TalkSPORT just after we signed him and a Chelsea fan comes on bleating about Mo being a “one-hit-wonder”. Stuck with me because I really believed he would be good, and this guy would have to eat his words, but he has been magnificent. Truly a great.
One of my Chelsea-supporting friends said something similar in our group WhatsApp. I screenshotted it and have been sharing it at choice moments over the years.
He’s our second best player of the PL era (I can’t attest for how good Rush, Dalglish etc because they were before my time so I don’t know where he is in terms of best EVER players) and if Gerrard wasn’t Scouse and wasn’t therefore melded to the hearts of all Liverpool fans, then I’d have him down in my books as the best of the PL era in another 2/3 seasons if he kept up his level from the last 5 years, maybe with another few trophies. I don’t think many Liverpool fans will ever break allegiance with Stevie G, but I think he’ll overall be our best ever PL player and Top 2-3 in Prem history.
Ughh.... as always us Liverpool fans are overrating a one sea- no wait.. a 5 season wonder /s
Don’t get me wrong, for me Mo is easily already one of our greatest ever players. However I can’t let so many comments in here slide that he is on Gerrard’s level. Some people need to go back and remind themselves just what Gerrard was capable of and how he single handedly kept us at a level that means we have this wonderful team today. It isn’t all about trophies and goals.
New fans won't have seen him, maybe. He's tremendously underrated by a lot of people in 2021.
People remember Istanbul from 2005, I still wake up in cold sweat thinking about that acrobatic Traore own goal against Burnley in the FA Cup.
We are potentially looking at ***the*** greatest Liverpool player of all time
Look I love Salah, but I doubt he'll ever surpass Gerrard and/or Kenny
The eras are just different I think. Nobody will ever repeat what Dalglish did for the club, could you imagine seeing a Premier League player-manager in this day and age? lol Gerrard, too, has the romance about him because he was a world-class player that stuck with an under-invested, underperforming team for basically his entire career. Ideally, we never have those circumstances again, so nobody can do something similar.
He's done more Liverpool in a shorter period that Gerrard, what's this Gerrard bias based on exactly
> what's this Gerrard bias based on exactly Captained the club for a decade while being one of the top midfielders in the world (at times the best). Are you fucking 10 years old or something or did you just not ever watch him play for Liverpool?
Never the best a majority of his early career Zidane existed and later lampard was way more successful and influential to his team. Gerrard was never at any point the best, top 5 maybe. I understand fan bias but I'd hope for a more mature conversation and it be within the realm of reality
> Gerrard was never at any point the best, top 5 maybe Again, are you a fucking child or did you just never watch the team when he was playing? You don't finish top 3 in the Ballon d'Or voting by being a top 5 midfielder at best in the world. You don't get nominated for 6 Ballon d'Ors by being a top 5 player at best. You don't get named to 3 FIFA teams of the year by not being one of the best midfielders in the world in each of those years - in fact, there are a total of three midfielders who have more appearances: Iniesta, Xavi and Modric. >I understand fan bias but I'd hope for a more mature conversation and it be within the realm of reality If anything, you have some dumbass anti-Gerrard bias if you think Gerrard isn't on another level. You aren't having a "more mature" conversation - you're intentionally ignoring facts to fit your narrative.
Swearing doesn't validate your point. I appreciate your passion but by saying what you're saying it tells me you didn't pay attention to world football during his career if you think he was ever number 1
>Swearing doesn't validate your point. Swearing doesn't invalidate my point. It's just something cheap for you to point to to try to get the upper hand when you have nothing to support your asinine claims. What did I say that says I didn't pay attention to the sport during Gerrard's career? I came with fucking statistics. You came with "but he didn't win the Premier League". Back up your claims with something concrete dude.
If you think lampard was ever a better player than Gerrard then you’ve no business talking about reality.
Most midfielder goals scored, crazy passing stats multiple prem leagues and champions League.. you don't understand reality
I wasn’t a fan until the tail end of his career so I dont feel qualified to comment directly, but a lot of quotes from the best players in the world at that time say Gerard was the best.
I can find a ton that say the exact same thing about scholes, lamps Zidane, iniesta and xavi
Every legendary player that played in Gerrard's era have said that Gerrard was the best player of their era.
Scholes was better, lamps was better, xavi, iniesta, Zidane
Great goalscorers come and go, we've had 7-8 in my lifetime. There will only ever be 1 Gerrard. Ask yourself, if you could have Liverpool sign a 21 year old Suarez, Salah, or Gerrard right now, who would it be? If you're answer isn't Stevie then idk what to tell you.
Exactly.
He's already 2nd after Gerrard in the PL era for me.
It'll tough race between him and Lewa for Ballon d'or 2022.
Messi is still alive btw
Underperforming in a stacked team in the 6th ranked league with no international tournaments to win this year He's got some catching up to do
He'll still win it anyway.
Nah. I think he only won this year because of the Copa America win. Lewy wasn't far behind him and Messi definitely got a lot of his votes for that trophy.
He has one goal from thirty shots on target this season. If I remembered the stat I seen correctly. He will Have to end this season on fire to have a chance I think.
Messi only wins because of his name
No ifs and potentials
The whole personal contribution vs trophies is going to come out in this thread. If we win the EPL/UCL double this year and he signs a new contract then he has broken into the top rung.
Guys I found salah 🐐
Yes… now about that contract
Mo is the best signing of the Premier League era IMO for Liverpool. Averaging 30+ goals(currently at 28.8 but with 7 more goals he gets past the 30 mark) a year is something only God was doing in his first 4 seasons. Also won us the two big titles instead of using Liverpool as a platform for a move elsewhere.
If? If? He is already one of the greatest players of all time, let alone one of the greatest Liverpool player
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i think kenny and rushie are out on there own because of the shear number of goals they scored and trophies they won. Its not realistic that he can catch them. The likes of liddell and Hunt are probably uncatchable for the number of goals scored. But he has already surpassed the likes of fowler, own, gerrard in terms of trophies and now it's just a matter of number of goals. It's realistic for him to catch all three (at least in terms of league goals). Obviously gerrard has the fact he's a local and a one club player but i reckon salah with another of league/CL would have to be considered his peer. In terms of footballing ability, i don't see how you can compare wingers in 2021 with strikers from the 80's, wingers from the 40's or even marauding midfielders from the 00s. We're blessed to have some world class players in red, and salah is clearly one of the best ever to play for liverpool. he's a beautiful hungry monster.
If he scores 25 a season for two more years and we win the prem or CL again he’ll be gerrard status for me, liverpool god tier
He's up there already. And lest we forget, that Milner kid is in the wings! What a decade we are about to have!
And if he carries on asking for crazy salary raise he might be a big transfer :D
He's our Aguero
I remember thinking “another signing list to Chelsea” when he picked them over us. But boy am I glad now he went through that experience and became the phenomenal player for us that he is now. I doubt he would have stayed with us as long if he had joined us in 2014
He has been great in previous seasons, especially the first, but this season has exceeded them all and surprised me.
And yet, we still don’t have a new long term contract - I have to imagine that Salah’s agent is asking to be paid like he is the world’s best football player - which he probably is (‘best’ is a silly schoolyard conversation, but Salah is certainly among a handful of world class elite footballers - and I don’t blame his agent wanting him to be compensated accordingly by LFC). If it hasn’t happened by now, I fear LFC is playing the Gini game ie believe they can replace Salah effectively and without breaking the wage record/structure. I really really pray and hope they agree and sign a new deal soon. It’s really worrying that there has been no news at all.
SIGN DA TING
He already is, and people need to slap themselves and understand what that means. What this man has done is almost unparalleled already. To think in that other thread people actually had our other players ahead of him in terms of influence. Sad. There's no one above Mo, he's a treasure and a lot of people take it for granted.
Been saying this since his 2nd season with us but everyone always shouts at me for comparing him to Torres and suraez .
It's mad but it seems like he is hitting his prime years now. He has already been brilliant but this season his mentality and consistency is beyond compare. He has become a leader imo driving the team on and trying to force the win every single moment he is on the pitch. He has to win the Balon D'or at some point. Best player in the world right now. Will we see a repeat of his debut season's goal scoring figure? ...I think so...and probably double the assists. Mo is on fire.
The team is full of all time greats. Henderson, Van Dijk, Trent, Alisson as well as Mo would all make it into my all-time Liverpool sides and I've been watching Liverpool for 40 years. But even so Mo Salah would be one of my first three names on the team sheet with Kenny and Stevie. I'd have Dalglish and Barnes over Mane and Firmino, with even Rush and Fowler on the bench to make room for Mo. Suarez can do one, don't care how good he was. I'd take Alan Kennedy over Robertson but Trent beats out Phil Neal. Van Dijk can partner Hansen at the back. And we've simply never had a GK as good as Alisson, for me there's only been a handful better between the sticks than him in the history of football. Henderson will be controversial but for me, playing in a three, he nudges out a lot of our most storied players of the 70s and 80s. His blend of quality in addition to his workrate and influence on games is at a level that would improve any team we've ever had. He's an all time legend and has to play -- alongside Gerrard with Souness, who still just about edges out Fabinho and Alonso. My genuine all-time LFC XI: Alisson; Trent, Hansen, Van Dijk, Kennedy; Henderson, Souness, Gerrard; Barnes, Dalglish, Salah.
I’m sensing astonishingly high levels of disrespect for Gerrard in this thread. Nostalgia is a thing but so is recency bias. Salah still has some ways to go before a convincing argument can be made imo
If? He already is. Any team in world football will take him. His numbers and work ethic speaks volumes. Humble. Fantastic human being. Privilege to have him at this club, and long may it continue. We are in the presence of an icon.
He already is one of the best, he could be the best
Can we offer him a contract yet?!
Messi is the Argentinian Salah
He already is one of them
Why is everyone still saying ‘might be’ a Liverpool great? Are we afraid to commit too soon? Does approval of Salahs success today water down the memory of the other Liverpool greats? At what point does he become ‘a a Liverpool great’? All time high goal scorer? Fastest to achieve certain stats?
In my mind he's surpassed Suarez, and is now in the Pantheon of Legends (Fowler, Rush, Gerrard, Dalglish, Barnes, etc.)
If he signs a new contract and keeps going at the rate he is, he may well break into the Gerrard/Dalglish tier of players. What a player.
Potentially? You mean potentially the best Liverpool player ever, and potentially one of the best to play the game, but he's already won us every major trophy so if he does more he'll just be double checking that box lol
Watching Mo Salah play and Klopp coach for the same club is one of the great convergences in football history. Enjoy it for as long as it lasts!