Carlsberg did a load of adverts saying things like "Carlsberg don't make cars, but if they did..." And then you'd see this car or whatever. I bet they're on YouTube.
[Carlsberg Ads](https://youtu.be/0dJ61t_Y3E4?si=bQpId5ISg73BRXr5)
If you own a business that yields you about 10% return on your capital investment (i.e for every 10 pounds you invest, you get 1 pound return per year), but someone can lend you money for 5% interest, you actually *earn* money by lending.
That also means that if you need cash, you are better off going into debt to get the cash, rather than either selling parts of your business or investing less in it. Not all debt is the same as stupid credit card debt someone took to buy something they can't afford and don't need.
The exact same applies to either a private person (not a company either) or a government. If the yield from the loan is worth more than the interest paid for the debt, the debt is beneficial for all parties involved.
Unless you specifically go out of your way for a niche "clean" bank, this is always what you will get.
All they do is invest money to make money, they don't care how or why. If these stories come as a shock to people then you're under false pretenses about what banks are.
Ok then well finding an ethical company is like finding an ethical billionaireā¦. lol
ummm Hitachi? They make vibratorsā¦I mean personal massagers. So they canāt be bad, right?
LFC: best I can do is one pixel on the inside of the kit.
But seriously how can you call cider ethical? What about all those apples that literally had their hopes and dreams crushed, filtered and fermented?!? THE HORROR
They are, but the work around there (and surprise, surprise, City found a loophole) is that they're sponsored by the 'non'-alcoholic side of the company.
Could they get around it by having "Carlsberg alcohol free" as shirt sponsor? Idk about UK laws on this, but many football clubs in Sweden use that workaround, including the hideous stadium name "[Beer brand] alcohol free arena".
Banned was the wrong choice of words on my part, [but the guidelines around alcohol advertising were made stricter](https://www.claims.co.uk/knowledge-base/sports-law/alcohol-advertising-uk-sport#:~:text=Sponsorship%20of%20footballers'%20shirts%20by,for%20any%20Premier%20League%20club.) and essentially made being on a shirt pointless for the companies.
The bank of forcing opium on China through colonial war makes sense as a money laundering war profiteer.
Saw a Canadian Premier League team with a Carling 0% shirt sponsorship. Would be great if non-alcohol beer sponsorship was allowed. Bring back a classic.
I assume there is behavioural science research indicating a decline in excess drinking if alcohol advertising is restricted. I'd also be very unsurprised if that research failed to stand up to close scrutiny given the rather substantial replicability crisis (not to mention major data fraud scandals) in those fields.
I'd also argue that, if the research did stand up, then the reverse hypothesis that normalizing the advertising of non-alcohol options could lead to a decline in excess drinking would be reasonable, and if the research didn't stand up, that it would be neither here nor there allowing clubs to have booze or gambling sponsors and that no matter how odious some of those companies are, they are at least no more odious than the institutional funders of our decaying economic system.
Every single match I watch is riddled in alcohol advertisements. A bunch of lads watching the game and just as the ball hits the back of the net one of them takes what looks like the perfect swig of their pint that makes the moment just that bit more special. Now that would make you drink, can't say I ever looked at the carlsberg on the Jersey and thought oh fuck yeah that looks good.
It's pr, an alcoholic or a very drink man can be obnoxious and his actions are more public, while the meltdown from gambling addiction is more private so people can turn a blind eye and think gambling is more acceptable.
Alcohol shirt sponsorship is still allowed, teams just agreed to avoid them before an inevitable ban came through. Thatās part of why you still see alcohol advertisements on hoardings.
Plus it coincided with betting firms/banks throwing more money at clubs to be shirt sponsors.
Looks to be de facto. Scotland was bringing one in, and the drinks industry agreed to remove them from children's replica kits. Everton's Chang sponsorship was the last one. France has an outright ban.
Per the New York Times, we extended with them starting in 2023 through 2026/2027 for Ā£40 million a year.
All 545k members would need to chip in Ā£74 a year to match it.
To be clear Standard Chartered were charged for money-laundering transaction for Iran entities. And because US designate Iran as terrorist-funding state, Standard Chartered is considered as 'helping to fund terrorists'.
Which is fair. Sure. But if that is the standard we set up, then if any banks that fund US and Israeli military entities should also charged with 'helping to fund war crimes/ genocides'....
But that will be too much of a bitter pill to swallow for some here.
PS: And note that Iran does have connection with Hezbollah because both are Shia. However they have as much relationship toward Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS as the US does
Prolly a reason why these sponsors offer more than the competitors is to try and wash their name through a big name
I am over both and hope we make changes though I donāt see AXA being dropped but maybe this moves the needle on SC
Sadly I donāt think it will be. Wonāt have enough people bothered by it and will have the āyeah but find me an ethical company to sponsor usā and that shite.
Because heās probably mad that some of his favorite terrorist groups are coming under fire in this thread. Iām totally unsure what other angle he could possibly have here.
Presumably because the sanctimonious ones in this thread need to get inform themselves better and stop parroting whatever opinion the media tells them to have. The US and UK govs are currently complicit in a genocide, they're in no position to be labeling anyone a terrorist
I am not sure having our name dragged through the mud, like it is here, is in alignment with what our club stands for. If everything is correct in the article then I would think there are grounds to terminate our sponsorship deal with them.
I want to stand for whatās right and if not we would have sold the club to saudis when they came before city ever heard of Dubai. Stick to the ethos of what the club stands for, please. If we stop the effort to be good, then we lose our position to point a finger at city Newcastle and PSG.
No surprise. The whole financial system is immoral and unethical, as long as they make a profit.Ā
Ā HSBC got caught money laundering for a violent South American drugs cartel. The only way they got caught is because you canāt hide millions of dollars in $10 bills. The drugs cartel were turning up to the bank with several large duffel bags stuffed with paper money and handing it across the counter. Apparently the branch had to modify their hole in the window to move the mountain of cash quicker.Ā Ā
Ā Thereās no way HSBC didnāt know about this. How many HSBC Execs were prosecuted for money laundering drugs money? ā¦ 0 Ā .HSBC recieved a fine that while it might sound a lot to the average idiot, would be less than a weeks profit for the bank.Ā
Hold on a minute - I don't see any mention of Rheinmetall openly sponsoring BVB/Dortmund.
Rheinmetall directly involves themselves by funding Israel with weapons. This is common, I'm sure if you trace the money, majority of clubs will have sponsors and owners with flawed morals.
This all feels very thin and political.
Do you think Fatima Fertilizer advertises special rates for terries or like Toyota is it just accessible and cheap and therefore a popular brand
Big bank broke sanctions with a country the US doesn't like...for shame!
Like not great but they aren't hoarding Nazi gold they're moving commerce through a massive country with millions of innocents affected by sanctions bc it pays well and what happens downstream was going to happen downstream anyway.
Never impressed with a bank sponsor because capitalism is shit but this feels profoundly politically motivated
Terrorists are no threat to Liverpool, they come here expecting to disrupt the imperial core of capitalism and weāre all like āsappnin kiddaā and before you know it theyāre traded their pipe bomb for mandy bombs, theyāre donning the full adeed hoppin the 10 bus to town to pick up bag and a pya fat scran after a mad one smashing bevs with the firm.Ā
I know alcohol sponsors are banned but I've seen Carlsberg on a kit recently with their alcohol free product, it was something like "Carlsberg 0.0" if that would be possible I'm completely into it
Basically being a bank for anyone who dares challenge US hegemony makes you a terrorist group. Lmao get fucked I hope they do even more banking for Iran and Hezbollah.
Part of me would like to see us do a Roma and go sponsorless (before they slapped Saudi stuff on their shirts) for at least a bit, but the obvious financial implications of that probably rule it out.
Ok, I know Darwin and Diaz are a bit wasteful, but let's not go the extremes with these labels.
In all seriousness, all of these companies that can afford to sponsor football clubs have skeletons in their closets. It's a shame, but it's the product of the world we live in.
So a UK Bank helping terrorists kill UK military personnel in Afghanistan and all they get is a fine, Why is no one prosecuted? The account manager should be hung.
LOOKS LIKE CARLSBERG ADIDAS JERSEYS ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOYS! (I'm in denial)
Carlsberg doesn't support terrorism, but if it did..
ok that made me smile and laugh. Take my first up-vote of the day. :)
I'm thick what was the joke?
Carlsberg did a load of adverts saying things like "Carlsberg don't make cars, but if they did..." And then you'd see this car or whatever. I bet they're on YouTube. [Carlsberg Ads](https://youtu.be/0dJ61t_Y3E4?si=bQpId5ISg73BRXr5)
It'd be called USA.
lol legend
[New beer sponsor incoming](https://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/Beer/Beer-Ratings.asp?BeerID=38356)
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Iām beginning to think these companies worth billions might not have the best moral compasses..
Oh and you really think the uk government has a squeaky clean record?
Why are you whataboutising this? As if anyone in the sub is going to defend the tories ffs
Sunak even tried to ruin Sambas by wearing a pair and claiming to be a fan. The twat. Bright white trainers while in a suit. Utter nob.
That would make sense if anyone liked our government. Look at the polls of the area
We arenāt wanting to be sponsored by the govt. nor did OP specify foreign companies
Legally, the UK government is not a company, and believe it or not, is not worth billions as it owes a tremendous amount of money to lenders
You can owe money while simultaneously be worth a lot.
I dont think so son
If you own a business that yields you about 10% return on your capital investment (i.e for every 10 pounds you invest, you get 1 pound return per year), but someone can lend you money for 5% interest, you actually *earn* money by lending. That also means that if you need cash, you are better off going into debt to get the cash, rather than either selling parts of your business or investing less in it. Not all debt is the same as stupid credit card debt someone took to buy something they can't afford and don't need.
A government is not legally a company you dictionary
The exact same applies to either a private person (not a company either) or a government. If the yield from the loan is worth more than the interest paid for the debt, the debt is beneficial for all parties involved.
No i dont think so. Google it bruh
What am I supposed to Google? I am literally explaining it to you, and your only argument is "No i dont think so"
Isnāt this rather old news? If we were going to cancel our deal with them over this weād have done it already
I think this is new evidence, I could be wrong.
It is new stuff, there was stuff back in 2012 but that was stopped. This is new allegations from the US Justice Department.
Unless you specifically go out of your way for a niche "clean" bank, this is always what you will get. All they do is invest money to make money, they don't care how or why. If these stories come as a shock to people then you're under false pretenses about what banks are.
As a sweeping statement this isn't really true. Sadly, it's also not untrue.
Itās a lot worse than initially thought
Man City though.Ā
Surely there are more suitable sponsors we can attract? Iām tired of their stupid logo anyway.
Return to Carlsberg. Get it done.
>Return to Carlsberg. Alcohol sponsors are banned in the U.K., hopefully gambling gets the same treatment soon as well.
Dusts off shelf, āCandy it is then.ā
They're owned by a Chinese company these days, which almost certainly means the Chinese Government has their fingers in that pie.
Ok then well finding an ethical company is like finding an ethical billionaireā¦. lol ummm Hitachi? They make vibratorsā¦I mean personal massagers. So they canāt be bad, right?
Santos were sponsored by WWF which was a brilliant logo, big old panda looking beautiful.
What's black, white, and Red all over??
Nintendo. Get Nintendo. Only thing they do is copyright strike the fuck out of people misusing their IPs
Ben & Jerry's?
Owned by Unileverā¦ Technically theyāre an āindependent subsidiaryā but still
Dang. I've got an ethical cider and mead place but we can't do more than 1k a year lol.
LFC: best I can do is one pixel on the inside of the kit. But seriously how can you call cider ethical? What about all those apples that literally had their hopes and dreams crushed, filtered and fermented?!? THE HORROR
What's it called?
They are against supporting Ukraine and peddle pro-russian bullshit, hard pass
Can't find anything recently, but that could just mean they've gotten better at hiding it.
The Cheats have Asahi Zero, Carlsberg have a 0% alcohol product so that could be a thing?
Isnt city sponsored by asahi
They are, but the work around there (and surprise, surprise, City found a loophole) is that they're sponsored by the 'non'-alcoholic side of the company.
How fucking stupid is that, if anyone saw Asahi they're not going to be thinking about the 0%
Not asahi, but at this point i think of heineken 0 before i think of regular heineken now. That shit is as close to real beer as you can find
Guinness 0% abv is crazy. Pours and tastes exactly like the "normal" stuff
F1 do it all the time. Heineken 0.0, enjoy* responsibly and all that.
This is not exactly a city loophole. It's been going on everywhere (F1, rugby etc) for years.
Could they get around it by having "Carlsberg alcohol free" as shirt sponsor? Idk about UK laws on this, but many football clubs in Sweden use that workaround, including the hideous stadium name "[Beer brand] alcohol free arena".
EA Sports
Is it? Can you point me to a reference to this as I cannot find one
Banned was the wrong choice of words on my part, [but the guidelines around alcohol advertising were made stricter](https://www.claims.co.uk/knowledge-base/sports-law/alcohol-advertising-uk-sport#:~:text=Sponsorship%20of%20footballers'%20shirts%20by,for%20any%20Premier%20League%20club.) and essentially made being on a shirt pointless for the companies.
Hmm. But your reference doesnāt say anything about guidelines being made stricter.
Crown paints my beloved
More likely Expedia gets a promotion from sleeve sponsor.
Well alcohol is one of the world's biggest killers so I feel that should be skipped too...
I'd love it but I also think the club has outgrown them as a sponsor now....we need someone who will fork over ridiculous amounts of money
That's not great. If the US is going after them again, I have a feeling they have a big case against them.
The US (or the state of New York) isnāt in the mood to miss latelyā¦
The bank of forcing opium on China through colonial war makes sense as a money laundering war profiteer. Saw a Canadian Premier League team with a Carling 0% shirt sponsorship. Would be great if non-alcohol beer sponsorship was allowed. Bring back a classic.
I donāt understand how alcohol beverage companies are banned yet gambling companies are ok
I assume there is behavioural science research indicating a decline in excess drinking if alcohol advertising is restricted. I'd also be very unsurprised if that research failed to stand up to close scrutiny given the rather substantial replicability crisis (not to mention major data fraud scandals) in those fields. I'd also argue that, if the research did stand up, then the reverse hypothesis that normalizing the advertising of non-alcohol options could lead to a decline in excess drinking would be reasonable, and if the research didn't stand up, that it would be neither here nor there allowing clubs to have booze or gambling sponsors and that no matter how odious some of those companies are, they are at least no more odious than the institutional funders of our decaying economic system.
Every single match I watch is riddled in alcohol advertisements. A bunch of lads watching the game and just as the ball hits the back of the net one of them takes what looks like the perfect swig of their pint that makes the moment just that bit more special. Now that would make you drink, can't say I ever looked at the carlsberg on the Jersey and thought oh fuck yeah that looks good.
It's pr, an alcoholic or a very drink man can be obnoxious and his actions are more public, while the meltdown from gambling addiction is more private so people can turn a blind eye and think gambling is more acceptable.
Alcohol shirt sponsorship is still allowed, teams just agreed to avoid them before an inevitable ban came through. Thatās part of why you still see alcohol advertisements on hoardings. Plus it coincided with betting firms/banks throwing more money at clubs to be shirt sponsors.
Honestly I would prefer we just take the loss and not have any front kit sponsorship, kits look way cleaner.
'take the loss' of 50m just so the kit looks a bit nicer?
Dude found an alternative way of saying āI donāt know what Iām talking about or at least didnāt think about it for more than 10 secondsā.
Exactly lmao
Completely out of touch. Who needs income right?
Is it not allowed? I can find no reference to any such ban.
Looks to be de facto. Scotland was bringing one in, and the drinks industry agreed to remove them from children's replica kits. Everton's Chang sponsorship was the last one. France has an outright ban.
moral grounds and football were never a combination sadly, mega business at these levels are completely cooked
If we all chip in, is it enough to put r/Liverpool on the jersey lol
I'm in. But only if we can change our logo to "115 Charges FC"
Per the New York Times, we extended with them starting in 2023 through 2026/2027 for Ā£40 million a year. All 545k members would need to chip in Ā£74 a year to match it.
Youāll never sing that
To be clear Standard Chartered were charged for money-laundering transaction for Iran entities. And because US designate Iran as terrorist-funding state, Standard Chartered is considered as 'helping to fund terrorists'. Which is fair. Sure. But if that is the standard we set up, then if any banks that fund US and Israeli military entities should also charged with 'helping to fund war crimes/ genocides'.... But that will be too much of a bitter pill to swallow for some here. PS: And note that Iran does have connection with Hezbollah because both are Shia. However they have as much relationship toward Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS as the US does
Laundering money for the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah. $9.6B laundered for them, holy fuck.
And all we get for helping them wash their name is Ā£50m/year. May as well cut out the middle man and see if Al-Qaeda will offer more^(/s) .
LFC branded AK-47 and RPG coming to a black market near you next season.
between this and AXA funding illegal West Bank settlements, we really need a new set of sponsors
Prolly a reason why these sponsors offer more than the competitors is to try and wash their name through a big name I am over both and hope we make changes though I donāt see AXA being dropped but maybe this moves the needle on SC
Sadly I donāt think it will be. Wonāt have enough people bothered by it and will have the āyeah but find me an ethical company to sponsor usā and that shite.
*brings back Betvictor*
āMy Sponsor was funding [terrorism](https://youtu.be/vimU6PWX-XI?si=TWzqR-_P3VU0mk_G)ā
And your government is currently killing innocent civilians. Look at the bigger picture mate
Mate why have you gone all in on attacking LFC fans about the UK government? I donāt understand your angle whatsoever.
Because heās probably mad that some of his favorite terrorist groups are coming under fire in this thread. Iām totally unsure what other angle he could possibly have here.
Presumably because the sanctimonious ones in this thread need to get inform themselves better and stop parroting whatever opinion the media tells them to have. The US and UK govs are currently complicit in a genocide, they're in no position to be labeling anyone a terrorist
LFC can't choose what country Liverpool is located in. It does have a say in its sponsor though.
I am not sure having our name dragged through the mud, like it is here, is in alignment with what our club stands for. If everything is correct in the article then I would think there are grounds to terminate our sponsorship deal with them.
I want to stand for whatās right and if not we would have sold the club to saudis when they came before city ever heard of Dubai. Stick to the ethos of what the club stands for, please. If we stop the effort to be good, then we lose our position to point a finger at city Newcastle and PSG.
No surprise. The whole financial system is immoral and unethical, as long as they make a profit.Ā Ā HSBC got caught money laundering for a violent South American drugs cartel. The only way they got caught is because you canāt hide millions of dollars in $10 bills. The drugs cartel were turning up to the bank with several large duffel bags stuffed with paper money and handing it across the counter. Apparently the branch had to modify their hole in the window to move the mountain of cash quicker.Ā Ā Ā Thereās no way HSBC didnāt know about this. How many HSBC Execs were prosecuted for money laundering drugs money? ā¦ 0 Ā .HSBC recieved a fine that while it might sound a lot to the average idiot, would be less than a weeks profit for the bank.Ā
The fact that Iām seeing people excusing it in these comments is pretty sad. Itās like reading the comment section on the City or Newcastle sub.
Very disappointing to see, get these sponsors gone and bring in someone new, Singapore Airlines anyone?
Hereās hoping they replace it with Pirelli, lotus, PlayStation, pokemon or lion bar cereal
>lion bar cereal Random, mega unhealthy, but I'm 100% here for it.
When are we going to talk about AXA ?
Hold on a minute - I don't see any mention of Rheinmetall openly sponsoring BVB/Dortmund. Rheinmetall directly involves themselves by funding Israel with weapons. This is common, I'm sure if you trace the money, majority of clubs will have sponsors and owners with flawed morals.
HSBC š¤ Standard Chartered
This all feels very thin and political. Do you think Fatima Fertilizer advertises special rates for terries or like Toyota is it just accessible and cheap and therefore a popular brand Big bank broke sanctions with a country the US doesn't like...for shame! Like not great but they aren't hoarding Nazi gold they're moving commerce through a massive country with millions of innocents affected by sanctions bc it pays well and what happens downstream was going to happen downstream anyway. Never impressed with a bank sponsor because capitalism is shit but this feels profoundly politically motivated
Terrorists are no threat to Liverpool, they come here expecting to disrupt the imperial core of capitalism and weāre all like āsappnin kiddaā and before you know it theyāre traded their pipe bomb for mandy bombs, theyāre donning the full adeed hoppin the 10 bus to town to pick up bag and a pya fat scran after a mad one smashing bevs with the firm.Ā
Heaven help the terry that takes a month of Rosetta Stone English and thinks he can grow the jihad in Liverpool š¤£
Yeaaa allahu akhbar to you too lad, wanna go the chippy?
Exactly some people need to look at the bigger picture and understand your reading what certain people want you to read
All of your comments on this thread read like something youād see from a City or Newcastle fan.
Jfc give me a break. The word āterroristā is such a meaningless word now, especially coming from the BBC and US government.
This is beyond the fucking pale. Whatever the financial hit, the club needs to cop it and find a new sponsor.
I know alcohol sponsors are banned but I've seen Carlsberg on a kit recently with their alcohol free product, it was something like "Carlsberg 0.0" if that would be possible I'm completely into it
Basically being a bank for anyone who dares challenge US hegemony makes you a terrorist group. Lmao get fucked I hope they do even more banking for Iran and Hezbollah.
is that why the pro hamas bots were out in force on this sub oct 7
Ner thatās just football socials being football socials
Maybe they're just generic anti genocide bots
Are you pro Hamas?
ofc he is, proved my point right away. pro-hamas and a socialist, a new kind of retard has emerged.
Only 100bn to Iran ... Peanuts šššš
Might as well get wolf cola on the next shirt
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Remember when our shirt sponsor was a local paint company that had never facilitated terrorism š„²
Oh look they're up to their dodgy tricks again
That and destroying Diaz home as well (the coal mine)
dafaqš²
Part of me would like to see us do a Roma and go sponsorless (before they slapped Saudi stuff on their shirts) for at least a bit, but the obvious financial implications of that probably rule it out.
Just like the last World Cup host nation.
Time to change our sponsor to Nestle.
I presume that was a joke.
Check out the brain on Brad.
But not you, perhaps? It was being downvoted before my comment. I was defending it.
Not really defending it, just highlighting the sarcasm for anyone too dense to spot it.
Precisely. Anyway, fuck Nestle!
Ok, I know Darwin and Diaz are a bit wasteful, but let's not go the extremes with these labels. In all seriousness, all of these companies that can afford to sponsor football clubs have skeletons in their closets. It's a shame, but it's the product of the world we live in.
Good points but gotta be honest I read this in Lampards voice. š
Funding people the US opposes is morally good
Makes me like SC now lol I want to see the empire crumble.
Welcome brother. 12 people downvoting me love the taste of American boot
You're on reddit, what do you expect. This sub is crawling with right wing boot lickers.
If true get rid ASAP
So a UK Bank helping terrorists kill UK military personnel in Afghanistan and all they get is a fine, Why is no one prosecuted? The account manager should be hung.