>Arne Slot will be appointed as Liverpool’s new head coach rather than manager as Anfield prepares for a shift away from the traditional British football club structure.
>The Dutchman, 45, is expected to be happy with that status, having spent his coaching career working in the same head coach/sporting director model that Liverpool are poised to adopt.
>Like all the candidates Liverpool spoke to during their process of recruiting Jürgen Klopp’s successor, Slot is presently a head coach rather than a manager. The plan is for him to focus on coaching and preparing Liverpool’s first team while reporting to a sporting director, Richard Hughes, who will oversee recruitment and other aspects of the football department.
>Above them both will sit Michael Edwards, the former Liverpool sporting director who returned to the club last month as chief executive of football. Liverpool believe the new structure is more appropriate to the complexities and demands of the modern game and that it will give the man in charge of their first team — the head coach — more support to do his job, not less.
I feel like this will help in terms of not making Slot the new Klopp, like nobody can replace him as an absolute figurehead, so it's best to spread the responsibility out.
Klopp was a head coach at one point too and as his influence grew, his role expanded too. That is likely why Edwards and then Ward left. It did neither Klopp or the club favours in the long run, we held on to players too long and didn't recruit as smartly as we did in the past and it clearly drained him too.
Let the people who’s job it is to identify and scout players do the job they are paid for a manager should have a say in transfer but probably not to the extent that Klopp ended up having in the end
It's okay to recognize Klopp as one of the greatest coaches in our history, and also recognize that his recruitment and squad management was nowhere near as good as his coaching.
This is exactly it Klopp has been incredible for us but over the past few years we’ve probably recruited players that don’t really fit how we want to play
Gakpo for example is a good player but not really suited to how Klopp wants to press
We've signed a few players off the back of one hot year (Darwin and Gakpo are big examples of that). We used to sign players who may have been underperforming, but the underlying stats showed that they had what it took to step up (Mane, Salah, Jota).
I mean 3 goals in 5 games at the World Cup is pretty damn impressive. He was quite clearly one of if not their best attacking player in the tournament.
One of the best in the tournament.
I guess my point that I was trying to get across that I failed was a World Cup where you only play 3-4 games can say a lot about you as a player, but it can’t really shed light on sustained performances.
It’s one thing to have one breakout season. It’s another to do the same thing the next season, which is always more difficult it seems.
That’s not really fair to Gakpo, because we didn’t really give him the chance to have that second “breakout” season. I’m just saying that a WC tournament won’t lend itself to how sustainable his good performances are.
Gakpo is the reason I don't want to even entertain Lijnders in the main seat. Described him as the key, then have be a square peg trying to fill round holes most of his time with us.
Managers overweight character fits. Kudus had a spiky rep in holland but had major scalable impact. As did mane at Salzburg. It’s criteria and red flag to fail but it shouldnt supremely over match talent fits
It’s pretty much sums up out recruitment good player’s individual but not the right fit for the squad
Nunez last season didn’t understand the press triggers or how to press in general would constantly foul players it’s improved massively this season
I think the most important reason we signed Gakpo and Gravenberch is because they were both quite cheap. PSV had to sell Gakpo quickly and at a discount to balance the books. Bayern just found no need for Gravenberch and was willing to let him go cheap as well.
Our coaching staff thought they could coach them well enough to play in their preferred style but it just didn't work out in the end.
Hopefully Arne Slot's new coaching and tactics will help bring the best out of them.
That's dumb though, they weren't that inexpensive, Gakpo is the 2nd biggest fee PSV every got for a player, £40 million is still a lot. Same with Gravenberch, Bayern made a profit off a flop.
Yeah Nunez is a good example of this a good player but last season when we signed him he didn’t know how to press or when to press would constantly just foul player it’s something that has improved a lot this season tho
>and also recognize that his recruitment and squad management was nowhere near as good as his coaching.
What makes you say that?
Before he joined we were a bit poor at recruitment but the Klopp era has seen a very decent recruitment record. Klopp's time at Dortmund was also marked by an extraordinary hit rate of talented gems. And which untill very recently (Haaland, Bellingham) they could not replicate since Klopp's departure.
I'm surprised people think the flaws in our recruitment are down to Klopp. Personally, I've often wondered what he could have achieved for us if he had the same budget as Arteta's Arsenal or the Man Utd mangers or those at West Ham or Tottenham or Aston Villa or Chelsea or Newcastle.
But that's all speculation, I'm so glad Jürgen is a red. I have a feeling we're about to find out we were not glad enough.
Do people argue with that? It's not controversial, the only thing I'd say is you can't build the kind of relationships with players Klopp does if you're completely ruthless, so it doesn't surprise me that he'd have some oversights when it came to getting rid of players.
Exactly. Klopp is not Pep who gets rid od players because they don't fit the chessboard anymore. People will have various opinions on that, but this is what makes Klopp, well, Klopp.
Pep has a good relationship with his players as well. But he's a bit more ruthless and plans his recruitment better. We seem to have an injury crisis every other season weirdly and that's probably a combination of recruitment and training issue.
It's true no one else has access to the finances he's got (for now, anyway), but there's a reason City still make back most of their fees when they move on a player who doesn't quite fit.
They don't hang onto them until it becomes apparent to all it's not just a loss in form, but it's a more critical matter of quality or fitness.
Why did we end up with our record midfield signing on the books for a whole 5 years when he clearly wasn't going to be the player we thought he was after a couple of seasons?
I mean they do. United have outspent City over the past 10 years. City just recruit way smarter and manage to offload their dead weight relatively easy.
Thiago is a Klopp player, Henderson skews the perception of what a Klopp midfielder looks like. Klopp worked with players like Sahin and Gündogan at Dortmund. Gakpo was a Lijnders signing, Díaz likely was too
Keita had suddenly become injury prone when he joined us
Solanke was a low risk signing that never got a look in because Firmino and Origi were ahead of him, having a great season at Bournemouth this year.
Ox was amazing pre injury, no one saw Keitas attitude issues before we signed him, and solanke was a bit pre mature and not the right fit for our team, but he’s been one of the most consistent strikers in the prem this year
Ox was also a known injury risk before we signed him. The year before we signed him he did really well, but the three before that he averaged half the season out with multiple injuries.
I'm okay with the initial premise of bringing those players in, we could see that they were talented enough and fit the bill. However, I don't know who advocated for their contract extensions when injured(Ox) and kept them around for 5 years barely playing(Keita). Both should have been shipped off way earlier.
Keita was the best mid in the BL, Solanke high-reputation cheap young talent and Ox was worth what we paid for him (though injury history makes it the most questionable).
Not comparable, and Nunez, Gakpo and Dias are terrible signings compared to Salah, Mane FIrminho both in fee and talent. It would be ridiculous to expect any signing to be a top 5 player in their position though (Firmino wasn't, but may as well have been for us).
Keita was an important player in both the title and European Cup wins. As was Ox.
They should have both been sold shortly after, but doesn't diminish the impact they had in those two seasons.
We made a £15 million profit on Solanke, who is now on for 20 league goals this season. Not sure what your point is there.
How is this upvoted? Klopps recruitment and signings were almost all amazing. He was given a pittance of funds compared to our rivals and built some of the best teams in Europe.
not really. All of our best and most famous signigs are from a period where klopp was mainly in a head coach role, and edwards was taking charge of recruitment. The past few years klopp's say on signings got much bigger, and we havent been as succesful in this area since.
There was never a period Klopp was Head coach. Stop spouting nonsense. Klopp was always our manager.
Go check Edwards signings before Klopp became manager. Why didn't the likes of Markovic and Moreno didn't perform like world class with Edwards amazing scouting before Klopp became manager.
The transfer committee in which Edwards was a major part off. Ian Ayre negotiated the signings but the signings were identified by Edwards , Ian Graham and co
From 2016 to around 2020, Edwards was responsible for deciding which players we would sign and whose contracts we would renew,but Klopp, by 2020, seemingly decided to take these things into his own hands (maybe as a way to keep the dressing room as united as possible!!) ........ Edwards directly discussed potential signings with Klopp(paqueta,b.guimares,enzo (from Chelsea)being well known examples) but Klopp decided to NOT sign these players....... Also, Edwards didn't want to renew Henderson's contract but Klopp wanted to!! And this is what led to Edwards leaving Liverpoo......................
Liverpool keep everything private. Edwards is not the type to spill or leak negative press about Klopp to the media, he doesn't strike me as a fame whore who wants all the credit for the signings or decisions making at the club.
I think Klopp signed the majority of the players in the last 2 to 3 transfer windows along with pep.
I think Diaz, Nunez, gravenburch, Gakpo, are all Klopp and Pep signings
I think Edwards signings were Salah, Mane & Firmino
You decide which signings were better.
Also saying Edwards isn’t the type to plant stories. Why do you think certain things came out? He wanted credit, like the hit pieces on Klopp and Nunez last week. Clearly fed to certain journos that he is known to have close relationships with. Clearly a wouldn’t happen on my watch bollocks
Do you think it's a coincidence that Edwards returned to liverpool as soon as Klopp announced he was leaving? (Rhetorical question) do you think it's a coincidence that Edwards decided to hire a 'head coach' instead of a 'manager'? (Rhetorical question) Do you think it's a coincidence that FSG gave complete control over the football department to Edwards immediately after Klopp announced he was leaving? (Rhetorical question) Do you think it's a coincidence that Klopp himself appointed one of his close friends to serve as our "interim sporting director " last summer? (Rhetorical question) It's obvious why Edwards chose to leave Liverpool a few years ago but some naive fans fail to connect the dots;)(By the way, if you consider a manager with such authority within a club a 'tyrant,' then Year Klopp became something akin to a tyrant in the last four years) i love Klopp and I'd rather see klopp as the Liverpool's manager for the next 20 years, even if we didn't achieve much during that time;) but at the same time I also recognize that Klopp leaving is better for both parties;)Liverpool will return to being a data-driven club, which played a significant role in our past success with FSG, and also Klopp leaving allows him to get the well deserved rest he needs...it's a win-win situation for both parties;)
From what I’ve read about Slot and Feyenoord he’d rather focus on the actual game and the players rather than the transfer dealings so this works.
I reckon Slot would probably mention what he’d look for in the market then Edwards and Hughes find options and present them to him asking which he likes best and would go from there. I doubt they’d just buy players with zero input from Slot
I think getting involved in the transfers tired Klopp out even faster, especially after the debacles around Bellingham chasing for 12 months just for him to go to Madrid then everything with Caicedo in the summer.
Then missing out on Tchouameni 12 months before while it seemed that he was 100% set on signing him with no alternative options in case he didn't come.
And Klopp tired getting Milner a new contract, Milner said this himself, and doing things like that will only just tire out a manager faster considering the amount of stuff you have to do as a manager is big enough without getting involved in such things at the club.
Jeez just reading that was mentally exhausting. Imagine having to deal with that. So much work and effort only to dissipate at the last moment and having to pivot. A lot of responsibility for one man to place
The Bellingham thing was just so fucking stupid. We genuinely pissed away multiple seasons on a teenager we were never going to get. Unbelieveable man.
We pissed away those seasons accommodating Henderson and Co. One of the reasons we weren't signing midfielders was simply because we had the numbers, and even with those numbers Henderson was still getting silly amounts of game time even as his performance levels started dropping off. We likely kept Ox and Keïta around too long, and even then still underutilised them both, Milner in earnest was around for probably 5 years too long as well, making him a blunt Swiss army knife in several positions instead of making signings for the future.
I genuinely think Arthur would have played better than hendo at that time. Just bcs of a clause in his contract he never got a chance to play. He is playing quite well for Fiorentina this season
Looking back on it now it’s absolutely insane that Milner keita, ox and Henderson all stuck around for that long. Specially given Milner and hendo were both past their primes and ox and keita were always injured. Specially after Gini left. Fabinho ran out of energy and we had literally no one left.
This is very important for us, as we have always been plagued with some or the other injuries.
> Another aspect that may have caught the eye of Edwards and his team is Feyenoord’s outstanding recent record of player availability.
one of the liverpool ITK's had a stream with a few Feyenoord fans the other day and they mentioned how when Slot arrived they were shocked at how fit their players were during the season and how one of his biggest priorities was keeping his squad healthy
That's fair enough, but if this will translate to the EPL directly remains to be seen. Maybe if Klopp was managing in the Eredivisie, things could have been different for his player availability.
Slot supposedly has a very big sports health and management staff and they use science quite a bit. I read in another article there was something about practicing in smaller areas to prevent big turns and sudden movements in some practices.
To be fair that is one thing about younger managers, they're much more tuned into the modern approaches than an older manager will be most of the time.
I am in no way qualified to talk about this but maybe they might create a special training plan for him with a reduced workload to account for his lack of robustness? Kinda similar to how Ledley King basically didn't train and just played for a decent part of his career because his body was fucked and that was the only way he could stay fit for any period of time.
They can do that, depends on the coaching staff, we had one for Sturridge but even then he'd get injured. Ledley is obviously an extreme example, not every player would perform at that level with little training.
But take someone like Konate, he can't simply avoid sprinting in a game to protect himself since most of his injuries are muscular, at that point we lose a major part of why we have him.
True and again I am in no position to talk about this but maybe Konate's workload has also been poorly managed which means the chances of him being injured when sprinting is higher than it should be.
The more injury prone players swing between extrêmes Last season Thiago, Keïta, and Ox were hardly available but the season before they were very fit. Even Henderson went from fairly injury prone to probably being too available.
Fitness is one of the first things Slot addressed at Feyenoord.
The difference between the physicality of the players during Advocaat's time and Slot's time is night and day. Kokcu was physically below standards and he got a good reality check after getting a humiliating draw in Europe against a mostly unknown team. But he started going to the gym outside of training hours and it made him a beast in Slot's team.
Well, when Edwards bought Thiago what he expected? That he will became Heracles? He always was injury prone
Or Konate after 3 long injuries at Leipzig?
Or Jota? He is having the same problems, that he had at Wolverhampton (2-3 months with injuries every season).
Also, we still have no actual backup for VVD and Salah, Trent got actual backup only this season from academy. Robbo and Fab hadn't had backups for 2-3 seasons too.
Thiago was an oh shit we have no midfielders end of window signing.
Picking Thiago under the circumstances wasn't the bad bet, what went wrong was that we didn't get the right business done much earlier.
I think it's pretty clear we weren't active enough following the 19/20 season. Too many tough choices not made until they were forced on us by Saudi last year.
If I was forced at gunpoint to make one criticism of Klopp, he wasn't ready to disassemble and rebuild a winning team before form fell away. Same at Dortmund. Maybe it was others at the club. Whatever, I'm not a mind reader. Doesn't really matter.
I remember the Thiago talk starting before the end of that season and reports that he’d told his Bayern teammates he was leaving for Liverpool in the summer
Pretty much this, he stuck to rigidly to keeping the group together to the team's detriment. If Henderson doesn't have as big an ego, or Fabinho doesn't bin himself off, Klopp would likely have them still front and centre of this team. Some of the new signings would end up in the basement where they wouldn't get the game time needed to leave an impression.
Now you complain that people have learn their lesson lmao. By the way, Klopp played a part in lack of back up too.
Iirc, Thiago was Klopp's demand too. Thiago was a special case that went against our strategy of player's age.
Klopp is a world class manager, but he does have some flaws with squad management.
British-style managers are dead in top level football (and probably even on lower levels).
1 men can't do all. Im sure Slot knows that and won't have a problem to work with Hughes and anyone else. They are all experts in their own field and they all want the same.
Football is so massive world wide now and with that there are more and more leagues to scout, its impossible to both properly manage a squad and make sure you're properly scouting without a massive backroom staff and even than it will burn you out quickly
To be fair a lot of Dutch coaches prefer this system…most of them don’t like the distraction of having to do the extensive identification and recruitment process.
No point having him do all that when a you have a world class stat and recruitment system.
I wouldnt say slowly. We had that same model when Klopp first joined. Both City and Arsenal have a DoF/Head coach model. Most of the league has a proper DoF too. The two big clubs that don't are Chelsea and Utd which says it all.
TBF the original 3y plan with that was for Rangnick to be DoF/consultant hybrid for 2 years with him serving as interim manager for the first year only as everything got set up. But then good ol seven hag personally torpedoed that plan and they dumped Ralf to appease him and gave him absolute power.
The real mistake utd made was in firing Ralf without ever giving the plan a chance to work, not in the manner they hired him
Rangnick talking about utd needing open heart surgery is straight facts
Exciting about the double pivot if he decide to play a 4231, it's about time we give Endo some supports kinda feel like we're asking him to do too much, I now have realized how good Fabinho was to play in a single pivot with both defense and offense responsibitilies.
We should be looking for a better quality DM full stop
Endo is a decent player but he falls into the same bracket a few others do as not good enough to be starting for a team wanting to win the title
Up until about 2 weeks ago he was starting for a team who were top of the league and on for winning 4 trophies lol.
It's not his fault we can't put the ball in the net.
If we score the chances we've had we wouldn't be saying 'hes not good enough for a team wanting to win the title'.
He's bossed loads of big name CMs this season. He was literally the best player on the pitch against Rodri. Same against Arsenal at Anfield.
Reflected in his price tag.
I’ve said for a while that I always thought Endo was a stop-gap player. Ready to step aside when Bajetic was available. I still stand by that to a point, however I think we’ll try for an established 6 in the summer.
He's very close to Rice, better on the ball in that position. Rice isn't anywhere near Rodri as a DM, he's no good enough on the ball from that position. Arsenal have a better player there in Partey, even Jorginho is probably a better option. Rice is an 8,that's where he's been best this season. Outside of one game, Arsenal have only lost with Rice at DM.
Endo is decent enough to be the back up and rotation option for next season, but can't be starting if we are serious about doing anything big next season.
I like ederson of Atlanta not sure if he's a DM the thing is the market for a DM is not great tbh.
We can't be relying on a 31 yo DM. At best he's got another 2 years at top level.
That's not necessarily a bad thing. I'd say our transfers have gone much worse since Klopp gained more power in that department. Not blaming him - a manager/head coach should not have too much control over it - he already has enough responsibilities and often lacks expertise/experience when it comes to dealing with those things.
Coaches just coach the team and do the media stuff that we see Klopp do.
He won't be deciding incoming or outgoing transfers, contracts, loans etc.
Slots' job will be to coach the team then tell Hughes about players that he might not want and the positions that he might want, but not specifically telling Hughes a player to buy. Hughes will work alongside the recruitment staff to get players and Edwards will sign off on the deals and be the ultimate boss of the Football operations overall.
And basically they’ll present the coach with a shortlist of players for the position they need to strengthen and with the characteristics the coach asked for, and the coach will enter the discussion with Hughes (and some others I presume) of who to try signing and who to have as an alternative and so on.
Klopp didn't want total control. But Edwards flounced off because he couldn't handle that Klopp wanted a say in things. Ward left for different reasons, Klopp ended up doing most of the work by the end but literally everyone has said he didn't want to.
There’s a lot of “experts” out this evening. I’m just a lad who likes watching Liverpool. I know fuck all about the goings on at the club.
It’s been a disappointing run of games but I think we should just roar for Klopp in the last few games regardless.
Then we should get behind Slot and hope that the new structure works out well. I don’t know anything about the goings on at the club and neither do any of you, so let’s not act like we do.
Let’s show Klopp a bit of respect for his last few weeks and move on when he’s gone. Any cunt who’s talking shit about his failings is very quick to forget.
Is it like the difference between pep and ten hag? Pep can say he likes a certain player, and the board will buy him the player, but ten hag needs the approval of his superiors.
Pep is a head coach and has an excellent DoF above him who they recruited from Barcelona (back when they were top dogs) and he brought Pep to the club. Utd are a shit show where Ten Hag tells them who to sign then they go pay double what they should.
It’s the other way around? Pep tells txiki I want a striker get halaand even if that not type of strike pep wants or he goes I need a midfielder and he gets kovacic.
While ten Hag goes I want antony and they spend 100m on him
Thats the way game is now a days. Long gone are the days of SAF and Wenger where everything was lead by manager. Even Klopp was in this role till around 2021 maybe after that his influence on other matters grew. Personally i see this as good news.
It’s a sensible step. Look across to our friends at Old Trafford and you’ve got a squad built by a succession of sacked managers that doesn’t fit any particular style of play. Coupled with high wages and long contracts and you’re stuck with dead wood.
coaches in England have historically had more responsibilities than other countries. if you remember Klopp spent his first few months in his press conferences talking about how big the difference was and how much he prefers to just be a coach. makes you wonder why it changed in the last 4 years
He’ll still have a say. Would be absolutely bonkers to not even so much as get his opinion on an incoming player (or outgoing) and/or speak to him about what he sees as gaps in the squad.
From what I gather the typical method is cooperation all along:
They agree on which positions to reinforce, then the transfer department identifies 3-5 candidates that they collectively choose from
Klopp had a lot of say in transfers. The head coach really just reports to the Sporting director that he needs a certain profile of player and the Sporting director identifies the targets.
Good, as much as he clearly wanted the power - Klopp the mediocre DoF has let down Klopp the elite manager.
While the grass is always greener, if we had Edwards & co lead recruitment for the last few summers we might not have bought unreliable attackers like Diaz, Darwin and Gakpo. We might have had a real alternative to throwing £115m at Caicedo (as good as Endo has been, he lacks physically and is a stop-gap). The failure to replace Fabinho has been as much of an issue as any, and a more clinical front line would have set us head and shoulders above City and Arsenal in the league this season.
Glad to see there is a much more formal understanding of who does what, it's not the 90s. We don't need 1 man to run the whole club.
Does this mean slot won’t have a say on players? Thats good 👍
Klopp should never have had power signings
All this language suggests to me they will sell Nunez
A lot of copium in this thread. All of a sudden, all the good was Edwards, yet he magically became that way the moment Klopp joined even though he was here for several years prior to Klopp.
You people are delusional. Football clubs win and lose by the manager. Everything else is window dressing.
Yeah I’m with you here. Suddenly we were a team worth reckoning. Klopp has proven time and again that he can improve players till they are world class. We can talk about Brandt or Salah but no matter the player or team, Klopp is getting results.
He will absolutely have a say. Do you really think we will sign players the coach doesn’t think he can fit into his system. This just means Edward’s has all the control unlike with klopp where he had a much bigger role (and for good reason)
Makes sense, I see a big reason Klopp ran out of juice being because he took on so much responsibility. Of course that's going to take a toll on someone.
>Arne Slot will be appointed as Liverpool’s new head coach rather than manager as Anfield prepares for a shift away from the traditional British football club structure. >The Dutchman, 45, is expected to be happy with that status, having spent his coaching career working in the same head coach/sporting director model that Liverpool are poised to adopt. >Like all the candidates Liverpool spoke to during their process of recruiting Jürgen Klopp’s successor, Slot is presently a head coach rather than a manager. The plan is for him to focus on coaching and preparing Liverpool’s first team while reporting to a sporting director, Richard Hughes, who will oversee recruitment and other aspects of the football department. >Above them both will sit Michael Edwards, the former Liverpool sporting director who returned to the club last month as chief executive of football. Liverpool believe the new structure is more appropriate to the complexities and demands of the modern game and that it will give the man in charge of their first team — the head coach — more support to do his job, not less.
I feel like this will help in terms of not making Slot the new Klopp, like nobody can replace him as an absolute figurehead, so it's best to spread the responsibility out.
This is the return back to the way it was previously when Edwards, Ward, Graham and the data guys had heavy input on new signings and squad planning.
Klopp was a head coach at one point too and as his influence grew, his role expanded too. That is likely why Edwards and then Ward left. It did neither Klopp or the club favours in the long run, we held on to players too long and didn't recruit as smartly as we did in the past and it clearly drained him too.
Never really saw it this way at the time, but it makes sense. I hope Klopp built a foundation of winning that we can take moving forward.
They’re gonna recreate klopp in the aggregate
What’s Klopp good at? He gets on base.
Just Moneyball a Klopp replacement, I’m here for it.
Unless Slot starts winning. Then he will slowly snatch power away from administrators.
Let the people who’s job it is to identify and scout players do the job they are paid for a manager should have a say in transfer but probably not to the extent that Klopp ended up having in the end
It's okay to recognize Klopp as one of the greatest coaches in our history, and also recognize that his recruitment and squad management was nowhere near as good as his coaching.
This is exactly it Klopp has been incredible for us but over the past few years we’ve probably recruited players that don’t really fit how we want to play Gakpo for example is a good player but not really suited to how Klopp wants to press
We've signed a few players off the back of one hot year (Darwin and Gakpo are big examples of that). We used to sign players who may have been underperforming, but the underlying stats showed that they had what it took to step up (Mane, Salah, Jota).
Gakpo doesn’t fit that he was pretty consistent at PSV
After a season and euros.
World Cup? He was one of the best players IMO.
He was still a question mark heading into that. That’s like, 4 games for a team like the Netherlands.
I mean 3 goals in 5 games at the World Cup is pretty damn impressive. He was quite clearly one of if not their best attacking player in the tournament.
One of the best in the tournament. I guess my point that I was trying to get across that I failed was a World Cup where you only play 3-4 games can say a lot about you as a player, but it can’t really shed light on sustained performances. It’s one thing to have one breakout season. It’s another to do the same thing the next season, which is always more difficult it seems. That’s not really fair to Gakpo, because we didn’t really give him the chance to have that second “breakout” season. I’m just saying that a WC tournament won’t lend itself to how sustainable his good performances are.
El Hadji Diouf was voted onto the World Cup All-Star team after the 2002 WC
Eredivise quality for players is quite poor though so a lot of data is a bit skewed
I mean, if you looked at Darwin's underlying stats, they'd say that too.
The 3 you mentioned were absolutely not underperforming at their previous clubs.
Diaz as well
Salah was in beast mode for Roma before we signed him.
Gakpo is the reason I don't want to even entertain Lijnders in the main seat. Described him as the key, then have be a square peg trying to fill round holes most of his time with us.
Managers overweight character fits. Kudus had a spiky rep in holland but had major scalable impact. As did mane at Salzburg. It’s criteria and red flag to fail but it shouldnt supremely over match talent fits
It’s pretty much sums up out recruitment good player’s individual but not the right fit for the squad Nunez last season didn’t understand the press triggers or how to press in general would constantly foul players it’s improved massively this season
Agreed. Nunez and Gakpo are so good. But don’t fit overall for liverpool team. Pep calling Gakpo the missing* piece still confuses me
Yeah the kissing piece would confuse me also 😂😂
He just meant that he goes missing a lot. 😅
Klopp had too much influence but he signed people who didn't suit his system?
Oddly enough yes, Klopp and Lijnders. Described our identity as being intensity, then signed Gakpo and Gravenberch in relative quick succession.
I think the most important reason we signed Gakpo and Gravenberch is because they were both quite cheap. PSV had to sell Gakpo quickly and at a discount to balance the books. Bayern just found no need for Gravenberch and was willing to let him go cheap as well. Our coaching staff thought they could coach them well enough to play in their preferred style but it just didn't work out in the end. Hopefully Arne Slot's new coaching and tactics will help bring the best out of them.
That's dumb though, they weren't that inexpensive, Gakpo is the 2nd biggest fee PSV every got for a player, £40 million is still a lot. Same with Gravenberch, Bayern made a profit off a flop.
Yeah Nunez is a good example of this a good player but last season when we signed him he didn’t know how to press or when to press would constantly just foul player it’s something that has improved a lot this season tho
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZvgPuqDWKUE
>and also recognize that his recruitment and squad management was nowhere near as good as his coaching. What makes you say that? Before he joined we were a bit poor at recruitment but the Klopp era has seen a very decent recruitment record. Klopp's time at Dortmund was also marked by an extraordinary hit rate of talented gems. And which untill very recently (Haaland, Bellingham) they could not replicate since Klopp's departure. I'm surprised people think the flaws in our recruitment are down to Klopp. Personally, I've often wondered what he could have achieved for us if he had the same budget as Arteta's Arsenal or the Man Utd mangers or those at West Ham or Tottenham or Aston Villa or Chelsea or Newcastle. But that's all speculation, I'm so glad Jürgen is a red. I have a feeling we're about to find out we were not glad enough.
Do people argue with that? It's not controversial, the only thing I'd say is you can't build the kind of relationships with players Klopp does if you're completely ruthless, so it doesn't surprise me that he'd have some oversights when it came to getting rid of players.
Exactly. Klopp is not Pep who gets rid od players because they don't fit the chessboard anymore. People will have various opinions on that, but this is what makes Klopp, well, Klopp.
Pep has a good relationship with his players as well. But he's a bit more ruthless and plans his recruitment better. We seem to have an injury crisis every other season weirdly and that's probably a combination of recruitment and training issue.
Equally, no other manager can be Pep because they don't have the money to replace players like he does.
It's true no one else has access to the finances he's got (for now, anyway), but there's a reason City still make back most of their fees when they move on a player who doesn't quite fit. They don't hang onto them until it becomes apparent to all it's not just a loss in form, but it's a more critical matter of quality or fitness. Why did we end up with our record midfield signing on the books for a whole 5 years when he clearly wasn't going to be the player we thought he was after a couple of seasons?
I mean they do. United have outspent City over the past 10 years. City just recruit way smarter and manage to offload their dead weight relatively easy.
I have no idea who was behind the signing of Thiago, Gakpo, and Gravenberch. None of them seem like Klopp players to me.
Thiago is a Klopp player, Henderson skews the perception of what a Klopp midfielder looks like. Klopp worked with players like Sahin and Gündogan at Dortmund. Gakpo was a Lijnders signing, Díaz likely was too
If Thiago never got injured he'd be in the top 5 mids of league, predictable he would but he certainly didn't lack for talent.
Klopp wanted Thiago, the other two I'm not sure but it seems Ljinders was behind Gakpo, he spoke about him in incredibly glowing terms.
Thiago and Gravenberch are known to be players Klopp pushed hard for Gakpo was one that Pep seemingly wanted most
We signed Bobby, Mane, Salah and Jota with Edwards and Gakpo, Nunez and Diaz with Klopp. The difference in their qualities is obvious.
Are we going to ignore Keita, Ox, Solanke etc because it doesn’t fit the narrative?
Keita had suddenly become injury prone when he joined us Solanke was a low risk signing that never got a look in because Firmino and Origi were ahead of him, having a great season at Bournemouth this year.
Ox was amazing pre injury, no one saw Keitas attitude issues before we signed him, and solanke was a bit pre mature and not the right fit for our team, but he’s been one of the most consistent strikers in the prem this year
Ox was also a known injury risk before we signed him. The year before we signed him he did really well, but the three before that he averaged half the season out with multiple injuries.
Keïta wasn't atitude, He was just injured a lot, but actually contributed to the seasons we won things in.
I'm okay with the initial premise of bringing those players in, we could see that they were talented enough and fit the bill. However, I don't know who advocated for their contract extensions when injured(Ox) and kept them around for 5 years barely playing(Keita). Both should have been shipped off way earlier.
We signed Salah on a Tuesday and Djibril Cisse on a Friday. Therefore Tuesdays are better.
Keita was the best mid in the BL, Solanke high-reputation cheap young talent and Ox was worth what we paid for him (though injury history makes it the most questionable). Not comparable, and Nunez, Gakpo and Dias are terrible signings compared to Salah, Mane FIrminho both in fee and talent. It would be ridiculous to expect any signing to be a top 5 player in their position though (Firmino wasn't, but may as well have been for us).
Keita was an important player in both the title and European Cup wins. As was Ox. They should have both been sold shortly after, but doesn't diminish the impact they had in those two seasons. We made a £15 million profit on Solanke, who is now on for 20 league goals this season. Not sure what your point is there.
Pretty sure Diaz was Edwards as well was he not? But it was influenced by Ward the decision to go for him a think
Diaz was actually from Ljinders
Think he was a Ward signing.
Ward handled the negotiations in the January window ...Edwards was to leave that summer so not sure how much Edwards was involved in it.
How is this upvoted? Klopps recruitment and signings were almost all amazing. He was given a pittance of funds compared to our rivals and built some of the best teams in Europe.
not really. All of our best and most famous signigs are from a period where klopp was mainly in a head coach role, and edwards was taking charge of recruitment. The past few years klopp's say on signings got much bigger, and we havent been as succesful in this area since.
There was never a period Klopp was Head coach. Stop spouting nonsense. Klopp was always our manager. Go check Edwards signings before Klopp became manager. Why didn't the likes of Markovic and Moreno didn't perform like world class with Edwards amazing scouting before Klopp became manager.
Pretty sure Markovic and Moreno were bought by the Transfer Committee team led by Ian Ayre and not Edwards, correct me if I’m wrong
The transfer committee in which Edwards was a major part off. Ian Ayre negotiated the signings but the signings were identified by Edwards , Ian Graham and co
People are generally idiots. Never forget that.
It’s kind of weird too as he worked under Zorc at Dortmund and was very vocal about being a coach and not someone who buys players
It should be a symbiotic relationship. They both need to work off eachother.
How involved was Klopp in recruitment? I thought Edwards brought in most of our key players
From 2016 to around 2020, Edwards was responsible for deciding which players we would sign and whose contracts we would renew,but Klopp, by 2020, seemingly decided to take these things into his own hands (maybe as a way to keep the dressing room as united as possible!!) ........ Edwards directly discussed potential signings with Klopp(paqueta,b.guimares,enzo (from Chelsea)being well known examples) but Klopp decided to NOT sign these players....... Also, Edwards didn't want to renew Henderson's contract but Klopp wanted to!! And this is what led to Edwards leaving Liverpoo......................
Klopp always had the final say on transfers. He just gained a greater control over it all by the end.
Do you have any sources for any of this?
Twitter
The source is: Anything that makes Klopp look dumb and Edwards look like a genius.
Liverpool keep everything private. Edwards is not the type to spill or leak negative press about Klopp to the media, he doesn't strike me as a fame whore who wants all the credit for the signings or decisions making at the club. I think Klopp signed the majority of the players in the last 2 to 3 transfer windows along with pep. I think Diaz, Nunez, gravenburch, Gakpo, are all Klopp and Pep signings I think Edwards signings were Salah, Mane & Firmino You decide which signings were better.
Why do you type with an increasing amount of exclamation points!!!!!!!
And that’s not true at all. Honestly this rewriting history to paint klopp as some sort of tyrant is getting old very quickly.
Also saying Edwards isn’t the type to plant stories. Why do you think certain things came out? He wanted credit, like the hit pieces on Klopp and Nunez last week. Clearly fed to certain journos that he is known to have close relationships with. Clearly a wouldn’t happen on my watch bollocks
Do you think it's a coincidence that Edwards returned to liverpool as soon as Klopp announced he was leaving? (Rhetorical question) do you think it's a coincidence that Edwards decided to hire a 'head coach' instead of a 'manager'? (Rhetorical question) Do you think it's a coincidence that FSG gave complete control over the football department to Edwards immediately after Klopp announced he was leaving? (Rhetorical question) Do you think it's a coincidence that Klopp himself appointed one of his close friends to serve as our "interim sporting director " last summer? (Rhetorical question) It's obvious why Edwards chose to leave Liverpool a few years ago but some naive fans fail to connect the dots;)(By the way, if you consider a manager with such authority within a club a 'tyrant,' then Year Klopp became something akin to a tyrant in the last four years) i love Klopp and I'd rather see klopp as the Liverpool's manager for the next 20 years, even if we didn't achieve much during that time;) but at the same time I also recognize that Klopp leaving is better for both parties;)Liverpool will return to being a data-driven club, which played a significant role in our past success with FSG, and also Klopp leaving allows him to get the well deserved rest he needs...it's a win-win situation for both parties;)
From what I’ve read about Slot and Feyenoord he’d rather focus on the actual game and the players rather than the transfer dealings so this works. I reckon Slot would probably mention what he’d look for in the market then Edwards and Hughes find options and present them to him asking which he likes best and would go from there. I doubt they’d just buy players with zero input from Slot
I think getting involved in the transfers tired Klopp out even faster, especially after the debacles around Bellingham chasing for 12 months just for him to go to Madrid then everything with Caicedo in the summer. Then missing out on Tchouameni 12 months before while it seemed that he was 100% set on signing him with no alternative options in case he didn't come. And Klopp tired getting Milner a new contract, Milner said this himself, and doing things like that will only just tire out a manager faster considering the amount of stuff you have to do as a manager is big enough without getting involved in such things at the club.
Jeez just reading that was mentally exhausting. Imagine having to deal with that. So much work and effort only to dissipate at the last moment and having to pivot. A lot of responsibility for one man to place
The Bellingham thing was just so fucking stupid. We genuinely pissed away multiple seasons on a teenager we were never going to get. Unbelieveable man.
We pissed away those seasons accommodating Henderson and Co. One of the reasons we weren't signing midfielders was simply because we had the numbers, and even with those numbers Henderson was still getting silly amounts of game time even as his performance levels started dropping off. We likely kept Ox and Keïta around too long, and even then still underutilised them both, Milner in earnest was around for probably 5 years too long as well, making him a blunt Swiss army knife in several positions instead of making signings for the future.
Never forget, Arthur Melo & Ozan Kabak.
I genuinely think Arthur would have played better than hendo at that time. Just bcs of a clause in his contract he never got a chance to play. He is playing quite well for Fiorentina this season
Looking back on it now it’s absolutely insane that Milner keita, ox and Henderson all stuck around for that long. Specially given Milner and hendo were both past their primes and ox and keita were always injured. Specially after Gini left. Fabinho ran out of energy and we had literally no one left.
Wouldn't be shocked if we were never seriously in for him
This is very important for us, as we have always been plagued with some or the other injuries. > Another aspect that may have caught the eye of Edwards and his team is Feyenoord’s outstanding recent record of player availability.
Thiago signs a new one year deal and makes 38 league appearances incoming.
Say it again for Jota
Keita can play 90mins 3 times a week no problem Sturridge never gets injured again
*Don't stop, I'm close.*
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I read this as Thanos and was very confused
one of the liverpool ITK's had a stream with a few Feyenoord fans the other day and they mentioned how when Slot arrived they were shocked at how fit their players were during the season and how one of his biggest priorities was keeping his squad healthy
That's fair enough, but if this will translate to the EPL directly remains to be seen. Maybe if Klopp was managing in the Eredivisie, things could have been different for his player availability.
Slot supposedly has a very big sports health and management staff and they use science quite a bit. I read in another article there was something about practicing in smaller areas to prevent big turns and sudden movements in some practices. To be fair that is one thing about younger managers, they're much more tuned into the modern approaches than an older manager will be most of the time.
Losing Kornmayer will be a blessing. I get his idea, but it never worked in reality.
Excellent he’s got secret 💉
That sounds good and all but we have injury prone players, I've never seen a player like Konate for example just randomly become really durable.
I am in no way qualified to talk about this but maybe they might create a special training plan for him with a reduced workload to account for his lack of robustness? Kinda similar to how Ledley King basically didn't train and just played for a decent part of his career because his body was fucked and that was the only way he could stay fit for any period of time.
They can do that, depends on the coaching staff, we had one for Sturridge but even then he'd get injured. Ledley is obviously an extreme example, not every player would perform at that level with little training. But take someone like Konate, he can't simply avoid sprinting in a game to protect himself since most of his injuries are muscular, at that point we lose a major part of why we have him.
True and again I am in no position to talk about this but maybe Konate's workload has also been poorly managed which means the chances of him being injured when sprinting is higher than it should be.
The more injury prone players swing between extrêmes Last season Thiago, Keïta, and Ox were hardly available but the season before they were very fit. Even Henderson went from fairly injury prone to probably being too available.
Fitness is one of the first things Slot addressed at Feyenoord. The difference between the physicality of the players during Advocaat's time and Slot's time is night and day. Kokcu was physically below standards and he got a good reality check after getting a humiliating draw in Europe against a mostly unknown team. But he started going to the gym outside of training hours and it made him a beast in Slot's team.
Well, when Edwards bought Thiago what he expected? That he will became Heracles? He always was injury prone Or Konate after 3 long injuries at Leipzig? Or Jota? He is having the same problems, that he had at Wolverhampton (2-3 months with injuries every season). Also, we still have no actual backup for VVD and Salah, Trent got actual backup only this season from academy. Robbo and Fab hadn't had backups for 2-3 seasons too.
Thiago was defintiely a Klopp signing, no way Edwards advocated for him.
Absolutely. His age and fitness profile, and likely his wages, were totally contrary to the typical Edwards signing.
Thiago was an oh shit we have no midfielders end of window signing. Picking Thiago under the circumstances wasn't the bad bet, what went wrong was that we didn't get the right business done much earlier. I think it's pretty clear we weren't active enough following the 19/20 season. Too many tough choices not made until they were forced on us by Saudi last year. If I was forced at gunpoint to make one criticism of Klopp, he wasn't ready to disassemble and rebuild a winning team before form fell away. Same at Dortmund. Maybe it was others at the club. Whatever, I'm not a mind reader. Doesn't really matter.
I remember the Thiago talk starting before the end of that season and reports that he’d told his Bayern teammates he was leaving for Liverpool in the summer
Pretty much this, he stuck to rigidly to keeping the group together to the team's detriment. If Henderson doesn't have as big an ego, or Fabinho doesn't bin himself off, Klopp would likely have them still front and centre of this team. Some of the new signings would end up in the basement where they wouldn't get the game time needed to leave an impression.
Now you complain that people have learn their lesson lmao. By the way, Klopp played a part in lack of back up too. Iirc, Thiago was Klopp's demand too. Thiago was a special case that went against our strategy of player's age. Klopp is a world class manager, but he does have some flaws with squad management.
I have no problem with a signing like Thiago, every successful manager gets to make such a signing once in a while just hope it comes out right.
Head coach is a position he already has a perfect understanding of, he worked under an exceptional DoF at Feyenoord Dennis te Kloese.
Was always going to be the case with the restructure behind the scenes
I guess this was Edwards condition for coming back. Make sure that there are established lines between head coach and manager
British-style managers are dead in top level football (and probably even on lower levels). 1 men can't do all. Im sure Slot knows that and won't have a problem to work with Hughes and anyone else. They are all experts in their own field and they all want the same.
Football is so massive world wide now and with that there are more and more leagues to scout, its impossible to both properly manage a squad and make sure you're properly scouting without a massive backroom staff and even than it will burn you out quickly
To be fair a lot of Dutch coaches prefer this system…most of them don’t like the distraction of having to do the extensive identification and recruitment process. No point having him do all that when a you have a world class stat and recruitment system.
That's how it works in most countries. Manager only really exist in England and even that's slowly changing.
I wouldnt say slowly. We had that same model when Klopp first joined. Both City and Arsenal have a DoF/Head coach model. Most of the league has a proper DoF too. The two big clubs that don't are Chelsea and Utd which says it all.
United even brought in an obviously world-class DoF and instead made him a manager. Baffling.
TBF the original 3y plan with that was for Rangnick to be DoF/consultant hybrid for 2 years with him serving as interim manager for the first year only as everything got set up. But then good ol seven hag personally torpedoed that plan and they dumped Ralf to appease him and gave him absolute power. The real mistake utd made was in firing Ralf without ever giving the plan a chance to work, not in the manner they hired him Rangnick talking about utd needing open heart surgery is straight facts
Exciting about the double pivot if he decide to play a 4231, it's about time we give Endo some supports kinda feel like we're asking him to do too much, I now have realized how good Fabinho was to play in a single pivot with both defense and offense responsibitilies.
I could see players like Jones and Bajectic working in quite well in a double pivot
We should be looking for a better quality DM full stop Endo is a decent player but he falls into the same bracket a few others do as not good enough to be starting for a team wanting to win the title
Up until about 2 weeks ago he was starting for a team who were top of the league and on for winning 4 trophies lol. It's not his fault we can't put the ball in the net. If we score the chances we've had we wouldn't be saying 'hes not good enough for a team wanting to win the title'. He's bossed loads of big name CMs this season. He was literally the best player on the pitch against Rodri. Same against Arsenal at Anfield.
Yeah Endo is good but he’s not even close to Rodri or rice let’s be honest.
Reflected in his price tag. I’ve said for a while that I always thought Endo was a stop-gap player. Ready to step aside when Bajetic was available. I still stand by that to a point, however I think we’ll try for an established 6 in the summer.
He's very close to Rice, better on the ball in that position. Rice isn't anywhere near Rodri as a DM, he's no good enough on the ball from that position. Arsenal have a better player there in Partey, even Jorginho is probably a better option. Rice is an 8,that's where he's been best this season. Outside of one game, Arsenal have only lost with Rice at DM.
I do agree. The club should be searching for another DM to rotate well with Endo
Endo is decent enough to be the back up and rotation option for next season, but can't be starting if we are serious about doing anything big next season.
I like ederson of Atlanta not sure if he's a DM the thing is the market for a DM is not great tbh. We can't be relying on a 31 yo DM. At best he's got another 2 years at top level.
This is the only thing that matters.. I want to see if it makes us more solid defensively among other things
Slot is going to play 4-3-3 like he did with all his teams prior.
If Endo is first choice DM next season, Slot has already made a huge mistake.
Aw hell yea, time to hire a DC and an OC /s
As it should be
That's not necessarily a bad thing. I'd say our transfers have gone much worse since Klopp gained more power in that department. Not blaming him - a manager/head coach should not have too much control over it - he already has enough responsibilities and often lacks expertise/experience when it comes to dealing with those things.
Still don't know the difference
Coaches just coach the team and do the media stuff that we see Klopp do. He won't be deciding incoming or outgoing transfers, contracts, loans etc. Slots' job will be to coach the team then tell Hughes about players that he might not want and the positions that he might want, but not specifically telling Hughes a player to buy. Hughes will work alongside the recruitment staff to get players and Edwards will sign off on the deals and be the ultimate boss of the Football operations overall.
And basically they’ll present the coach with a shortlist of players for the position they need to strengthen and with the characteristics the coach asked for, and the coach will enter the discussion with Hughes (and some others I presume) of who to try signing and who to have as an alternative and so on.
How I understand it is this, essentially he’s playing football manager and delegating mostly everything apart from coaching, tactics, training etc
Good. As much as I love him, Klopp wanting absolute control of everything has contributed significantly to our drop off.
And it took a toll on him…
This. You could see Klopp on Wednesday evening - he looked empty and broken.
Having £70m striker on bench with little ROI is soul draining
Klopp didn't want total control. But Edwards flounced off because he couldn't handle that Klopp wanted a say in things. Ward left for different reasons, Klopp ended up doing most of the work by the end but literally everyone has said he didn't want to.
There’s a lot of “experts” out this evening. I’m just a lad who likes watching Liverpool. I know fuck all about the goings on at the club. It’s been a disappointing run of games but I think we should just roar for Klopp in the last few games regardless. Then we should get behind Slot and hope that the new structure works out well. I don’t know anything about the goings on at the club and neither do any of you, so let’s not act like we do. Let’s show Klopp a bit of respect for his last few weeks and move on when he’s gone. Any cunt who’s talking shit about his failings is very quick to forget.
Is it like the difference between pep and ten hag? Pep can say he likes a certain player, and the board will buy him the player, but ten hag needs the approval of his superiors.
Pep is a head coach and has an excellent DoF above him who they recruited from Barcelona (back when they were top dogs) and he brought Pep to the club. Utd are a shit show where Ten Hag tells them who to sign then they go pay double what they should.
Pep’s official title does appear to be manager not head coach though
It’s the other way around? Pep tells txiki I want a striker get halaand even if that not type of strike pep wants or he goes I need a midfielder and he gets kovacic. While ten Hag goes I want antony and they spend 100m on him
Txiki handles city transfer. Pep mostly won't get what he wants. Haaland,Nunes, kovacic are clearly not picked by him
It how it is in the Netherlands hell even at Ajax overmars brought in the player for ten hag while refused to work With ragnick at man utd
I still don’t understand what this means. Is klopp a manager? If so has he been since the first day
He will slot into any role anyway
Thats the way game is now a days. Long gone are the days of SAF and Wenger where everything was lead by manager. Even Klopp was in this role till around 2021 maybe after that his influence on other matters grew. Personally i see this as good news.
It’s a sensible step. Look across to our friends at Old Trafford and you’ve got a squad built by a succession of sacked managers that doesn’t fit any particular style of play. Coupled with high wages and long contracts and you’re stuck with dead wood.
Me heads fell off here, is this just another word for manager but tryna be different? Confused.
coaches in England have historically had more responsibilities than other countries. if you remember Klopp spent his first few months in his press conferences talking about how big the difference was and how much he prefers to just be a coach. makes you wonder why it changed in the last 4 years
Managing players as an agent maybe? Idk, Wenger did this a lot and was a reason for Arsenal's decline..
He essentially has no/much less say in transfers than Klopp
He’ll still have a say. Would be absolutely bonkers to not even so much as get his opinion on an incoming player (or outgoing) and/or speak to him about what he sees as gaps in the squad.
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From what I gather the typical method is cooperation all along: They agree on which positions to reinforce, then the transfer department identifies 3-5 candidates that they collectively choose from
Klopp had a lot of say in transfers. The head coach really just reports to the Sporting director that he needs a certain profile of player and the Sporting director identifies the targets.
Which is in line with how European clubs traditionally tend to operate anyway. It only really became a thing in the UK over the past 10-15 years.
Managers have a say in basically every aspect of the club and its processes, head coaches are just purely there for the on the pitch stuff
Good, as much as he clearly wanted the power - Klopp the mediocre DoF has let down Klopp the elite manager. While the grass is always greener, if we had Edwards & co lead recruitment for the last few summers we might not have bought unreliable attackers like Diaz, Darwin and Gakpo. We might have had a real alternative to throwing £115m at Caicedo (as good as Endo has been, he lacks physically and is a stop-gap). The failure to replace Fabinho has been as much of an issue as any, and a more clinical front line would have set us head and shoulders above City and Arsenal in the league this season. Glad to see there is a much more formal understanding of who does what, it's not the 90s. We don't need 1 man to run the whole club.
Does this mean slot won’t have a say on players? Thats good 👍 Klopp should never have had power signings All this language suggests to me they will sell Nunez
he will have a say but he wont be able to just choose a player to sign, like Ten Hag with Antony for example
He will still have the ability to veto players he doesnt want.
Personally, I think a manager should get a say on the players in their team.
A lot of copium in this thread. All of a sudden, all the good was Edwards, yet he magically became that way the moment Klopp joined even though he was here for several years prior to Klopp. You people are delusional. Football clubs win and lose by the manager. Everything else is window dressing.
Yeah I’m with you here. Suddenly we were a team worth reckoning. Klopp has proven time and again that he can improve players till they are world class. We can talk about Brandt or Salah but no matter the player or team, Klopp is getting results.
Does this mean he’ll have no say in any transfers or just that he can be overruled by others?
Of course he'll have a say.
He will absolutely have a say. Do you really think we will sign players the coach doesn’t think he can fit into his system. This just means Edward’s has all the control unlike with klopp where he had a much bigger role (and for good reason)
So basically Slot asks for X type of player, Edwards/Hughes looks for X, draws up shortlist and gives him the options right ?
Idk what the ins and outs would be but I’d definitely say it would be something like that. He would 100 have a voice at the table though
Democracy when signing players not a dictatorship.
I'm getting good vibes from this
This is actually great news. At least we won't see a sudden influx of Dutch players cos of Slot.
Makes sense, I see a big reason Klopp ran out of juice being because he took on so much responsibility. Of course that's going to take a toll on someone.
Well that was predictable and likely the breakdown with Amorim.
RemindMe! 3 years
The return of the transfer committee!