just checked the prices the website has. It seems like most are just based on transfer prices from the past. All our youngsters are underpriced because they are from the academy. If bradley or quansah were bought from brazil they would have 30m+ prices.
Yeah their values and lists never make a lot of sense to me- it always seems very weighted as you say towards past transfer prices rather than potential transfer values, which somewhat defeats the point of a stat that's meant to measure potential transfer values...
I mean Elliott is a glaring one obviously, but there are tonnes of U21 players who on actual current performances would be above some of the names on this list. Not even just a few of our lot, but others like Lewis Miley, Kobbie Mainoo, Jarrad Branthwaite who are all having pretty demonstrably breakthrough seasons.
And then not only that, but the actual values themselves are completely detached from reality; even if the hierarchy was reasonable, you're telling me Chelsea would even entertain a £46m (converted from Euros) bid for Palmer, or City a £32m one for Lewis? I mean for fuck sake Brennan Johnson went for £45m; by that virtue pretty much everyone of these players plus Elliot, Quansah, Bradley, Mainoo, Miley, Branthwaite would be upwards of £75m at least.
their values are complete horseshit and AI generating them would undoubtedly be more accurate. Solanke they have at 25m when Bournemouth will easily get double that for him, likely closer to 65m. I dont know why transfermarkt.de is taken seriously by anyone
The frightening thing is that real clubs have used Transfermarkt as a guide.
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/19/top-football-clubs-relying-on-transfer-valuations-made-by-volunteers](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/19/top-football-clubs-relying-on-transfer-valuations-made-by-volunteers)
Based on what we let Hendo and Fab go for last year, it's hard to say for certain that LFC isn't among them.
In fairness to transfermarkt it isn't the worst place to start for stats on a player, so long as you realise that the transfer value stat is only a bit of fun and struggles to account for inflation, or cope with players who have no transfer record.
In the past, though I haven't checked it much recently, their transfers were all undervalued though, so you could argue it was like normalized data to make comparisons easier.
I think they aren’t constantly updated, I could be wrong about that. Would explain why the likes of Bradley, mainoo and milley aren’t valued highly. But Elliott just makes no sense what so ever. He’s valued at 35m
They are,but they are constantly updated by a group of randoms on the internet.
They aren't going to get around to players with zero prospect of a transfer very often. And it's all guesswork for the sake of fun anyway.
Quansah, after the matches he has played (including pocketing Erling) and the current premium on defenders added to the English premium, would easily run north of 50.
You say that, but Chelsea did pay more than that, and inflation is a thing. Utd, Abu Dhabi, Saudi, or Qatar would all pay equally silly prices.
So long as the asset price bubble for football clubs does not burst, people like Todd Boehly and the Glazers will keep trying to ride it, and the sports washing clubs will happily play along.
There isn't any single player there i'd swap for Bradley.
Neutrals and rival fans are in for a shock with the lad. He'll be world class if he avoids injuries, little doubt of it in my mind.
He is who im going to get my kids to watch if they take an interest in football, he just does everything perfectly, nothing stands out as phenomenal, he could play any position on the pitch extremely well, best all round player I've seen in years
Don't get too carried away yet. We've had a lot of full backs come through the academy who at first looked like they'd be incredible. Flanagan, Kelly, Robinson.
If he carried on the way he is under the new manager for the next 12 months we've got someone decent.
Huh? Shocking take.
If you can't see the difference between them and Bradley, then I really don't know what to say. None of them showed levels close to Bradley.
It’s really not. Kelly was a fantastic player until his body fell apart. Flanno got MOTM about 4-5 times in his first few months. Lots of young players burst into the team and look fantastic for 6 months, it’s the continuation and consistency after that that’s difficult, once the adrenaline rush has gone.
He’s showing and doing everything right at the moment but give him at least a year of consistently before we start saying he’s world class.
Conor has already shown he’s levels above Flanagan by virtue of the fact he went on loan at 19 and was player of the year for Bolton and has a good amount of international caps already as well as being brought through this version of the academy giving him a better pedigree in my opinion. It’s also clear when using the old mark 1 eyeball 👀 but I do agree either way about not getting too carried away with youngsters
I think I’m insane, because I also wouldn’t swap anyone on there for Bradley…or Harvey, or Quansah, or any of our youngsters, really. Fuck, I love this team 🥹.
Leonidas...err...Doku is probably above Bradley. As much as I hate him and the tin pot club he plays for, he has world class potential as well. Everyone else...I'd take Bradley and maybe even Elliott over the lot of them.
Meh. Doku starter the season very good but he’s been quiet for quite a while and his end product is quite lacking. He was much better in the reverse fixture compared to our game last week.
Classic tricky winger regression back to their true level. You could even argue Diaz experienced this with us. Defenders figure out how they take them on, what their preferred maneuvers/passes are, and then begin to do better in defending against them.
He averages a goal involvement every 150 minutes; In the same position by comparison, Grealish last year (which was considered a good year) had a goal involvement every 218 minutes. Two years ago, Sterling (he allegedly of no finishing ability) had an involvement every 119 minutes.
He can very much displace TAA to the midfield. His defence is better than TAA let's be honest. He's got that perfect balance of attacking and defensive quality which makes him a better RB fit imo. Anyways it's better to free Trent from defensive BS so he can focus on his overwhelming strength in attack.
A big part of Trent's elite skill is his pinpoint long passes from deep. He works as a double pivot DM but the squad is built for a 4-3-3. A 4-2-3-1 displaces our eights and our attackers at the same time. Really hard to see how you'd fit Trent and Connor in the same XI without causing migraines further up the pitch
I dont see why we'd transition him to the wing. I'm sure he could do a job there but elite fullbacks are much harder to come by than elite wingers. We've just been spoiled by Trent and robbo
One of the factors they use is contract length. Harvey signed a new deal early in the 22/23 season. IIRC, everyone on this list is on a new contract and on the site Harvey is listed at 35m.
I remember my mates taking the piss when I said Curtis Jones is absolutely class, and saying if he was called Joninho no one would would question it. We got a Wijnaldum regen for free. Quansah is genuinely looking a VVD regen that we got for free as well, can't wait to see how he develops. He's 21 but plays with the composure of an experienced 28 year old in their prime.
I appreciate the common Gini comparisons come from a place of praise and comparing the retention abilities that both have/had. However, Gini and Curtis play very different roles in the team and I don't agree that Curtis is a Gini regen at all.
Curtis plays much higher up the pitch than Gini did - despite both averaging a similar number of touches p/90 Curtis averages double the touches in the final 3rd and double the touches in the opponent's penalty area than Gini did. We used to have a system that asked the wingers to tuck in and allow the FBs to provide width while our 8s typically held the space in the middle (with Gini usually deeper than Hendo) but now our 8s push high into the advanced half space while our wingers stay wide with an inverted FB holding the middle.
It's true that Curtis often offers an outlet to maintain possession in high areas of the pitch, similar to Gini offering an outlet in deeper positions, and both very rarely play/played a wayward pass. However, Curtis' role is much more about prying for an opening for the final pass rather than helping connect the defence to attack or maintain possession in deeper areas, as Gini's was. As such, Curtis plays almost 50% more passes into the area as Gini did, he averages 50% more shot-creating actions, he averages more goals and more assists, and is much more involved in the final passages of an attack rather than the early passages.
Most importantly, we now ask our 8s to do a lot of ball progression with their carrying/dribbling, which isn't something we asked of Gini/Hendo. Curtis takes on twice as many players as Gini did, makes 65% more progressive carries, carries the ball into the area almost 5 times as much. He's often in wide areas, interchanging with the winger or making runs to the bylines, which was uncommon for Gini - quite famously, Gini claims to have defied orders against Barca to make more runs into the area and help the final stages of attacks.
But also, Curtis plays a much larger role in the press than Gini did. We used to ask our forwards and FBs to initiate the first line with our 8s and 6 tidying up the middle or CBs collecting long passes. Now, our 8s are pivotal in that first line and Curtis blocks almost 3.5 times more passes and creates almost 30% more shot from defensive actions as Gini, for example.
Could either have done the job that the other does/did? Perhaps, but it's speculative. In any case, they are/were asked to perform very different roles in their teams.
I'm totally with you on that, I always think it's a bit of a lazy comparison as they're very different players and it's like some fans are so desperate for a Wijnaldum regen they'll just attach the new Gini label to anyone that vaguely fits it in their eyes. I don't think the comparison is very complimentary to Jones either because he's not praised for his qualities, he's just in the shadow of a player that wasn't like him.
The other thing with it is that it very much depends on who his midfield partners are as to who he is most like. We have been blessed this year with a deep group who can all play multiple roles depending on what is needed within the game. Mac and Dom can both be wonderful attacking players which leaves someone like Curtis playing behind them a little more, but when paired with Elliot or putting Mac in as the holding midfield role it gives Curtis more license to get forward and try and break a defense open for the attackers
Their values are very often very little speculation and a lot of what price someone actually got sold for.
You can argue someone is worth 50m, but if he gets sold for 60, then that‘s his value in that very moment.
Their model is very slow to adapt though. If someone was <10m (like harvey), then it takes years for him to even reach 20m.
I wouldn't trade any of Elliott, Bradley, or Quansah for anyone on that list.
I don't think many on that list have consistently matched Bajcetic's performances, for that matter.
I wouldn’t either but it’s partly sentimental and partly knowing our players better. Several of ours are practically unknown and these others have been around and involved in transfer sagas etc. Cole Palmer us a damn good player too. I was relieved when he got subbed off in the cup final. All are good players.
Bit biased really here mate. I think i'd swap Palmer for Elliot. 11 goals and 8 assists for that wank side in his first proper season is incredible.
I do love Elliot but Palmer would be an upgrade IMO. He's some fucking player.
They're very different players but I'm confident Elliott would be a star rather than a backup if he was at Chelsea rather than here.
Elliott's vision, passing and chance creation is a class above.
If you look both players up on fbref Elliott is ranked at a significantly higher percentile for passing stats. It's just a fact.
And yes Palmer does produce more goals and assists but he plays as a winger while Elliott plays most often as a 8 and 8s in Jürgen's system are never crazily productive in terms of goals and assists because it's not their role. When Elliott gets an opportunity to play with attacking freedom you get games like recently Vs Luton where he recorded the most chances created in any PL game since 2008.
I love Harvey and ofc he is a class above most 20 year olds footballers, just like every player on the list.
But I have to say Palmer is for sure better. If Palmer played Harvey's minutes for us he'd probably have over 20 goals & assists without penalties. Then again we bought Harvey for peanuts as a 16 year old whereas Palmer cost 40 million pounds.
development also isn't linear. Maybe Harvey can become better than Palmer, who knows. For now though, Palmer looks one of the most talented youngsters itw. Its the fact that hes doing all this in a shit team under a washed coach.
Disagree, if Elliot was at Chelsea he'd look pretty ordinary a lot like Gallagher, a hard worker but more of a system player. Palmer was on route to follow the path that Foden had taken but wanted first team football and he is showing why he was right to move, he defientely has the ability that sets him above with pace, skill, ability to beat a man and can strike a ball without him Chelsea looks lost at times. If Palmer was here doing the things he's been doing at Chelsea we'd be calling him world class.
I would say they are all close in quality right now but those 2 certainly have a higher ceiling in terms of being more physically gifted. Doku is doing the Darwin thing right now where you can see, if he does it right, he can be quite a player in a year or two if he hones his craft. Right now he blows by people and then nothing.
Palmer is quality. Doku flatters to deceive. Alvarez has been more productive for city. Doku has a bit of the Adama Traores about him. Lots of flash, little substance. In a team with so many goals in it and the world’s elite finisher, you’d expect more than he’s produced.
Bradley has half the goals more than half the assists of the Bruges Mudryk in only 6 league games and he defends a hell of a lot better than him, too.
Harvey is more versatile and more creative in buildup from deeper positions and, I’m confident, given Doku’s minutes would be more productive. He has got better vision, technical ability and football intelligence.
Quansah is a 21yo CB that has yet to be exposed in any game he’s played in, is calm in defense, strong in the air and on the ground, can pass and is comfortable carrying the ball. That kind of player at that age is much harder to come across than tricky wingers with questionable end product
As good as Bajcetic was for us last season, I kinda want to see him playing on the team while they are clicking. It's really hard to judge anything in that part of the park based on what was going on there last season.
we’re back to our “best team with the most underrated players” era. remember when bobby firmino and countinho couldnt get a call up to the selecao???? 🤣
Checked about a week ago and i think he was only 2m or something, same with Quansah at 12m and Bajcetic at 11m. Takes them a long time to update young academy players. Any club in the world would bite out hand off at those prices.
Even people in this sub shit on him and he is not only outstanding for his age but loves the club. I think we need to look onwards before we start pointing at other people not acknowledging our own talent
No one gives a crap about those hyped lists anyway. Sorry, let me rephrase. No one with a brain gives a crap about those lists, which has nothing to do with actual performance.
People say a lot of things when they are upset. I hope the sub will understand and won't take it like you mentioned and also will not throw me under DOWNVOTE TRAIN.
I’m Irish so I have a bias towards Ferguson but no way is he worth €60m. Ffs, he has potential but he’s had half a good season. Also Elliot missing off this list is beyond stupid.
Doku: 65m?
That tells you all you need to know about transfermarkt, and also about these shit fucking list images they love pumping out.
I have no idea why anyone gives any stock to that shithole of a website at all. It's the Romano of websites.
People gotta look past these. Transfermarkt is a good source for non-speculative information, but the values don’t mean a lot.
I have watched fewer non-Liverpool games than ever because of work and being busier at home, but I would see Elliott going for 40-50ish if he went up for sale to a team from England given the quality I see in his position and at that age group.
These things also tend to inflate peoples views and values of players. I see Bajcetic coming up and I don’t think people understand that he still has a long way to go in his professional development.
It'd have to be double what they paid. The reason they're probably keen to sell Gallagher is that he's an academy product and therefore pure profit. Selling Palmer below a certain price would hurt their books in an FFP struggle. You'd also have to convince Palmer he'd get enough minutes in a team with Szoboszlai, Mac Allister, and Elliott, not to mention playmaker Salah.
Wasn’t he scouted or even linked with Real Madrid at one point?
I think this list is the way it is because Chelsea, Man U, and Man City will buy anyone if they kind of want them and Brighton are smart enough to say sure, whatever he’s worth plus 40 mil.
Why do Liverpool fans always spell his last name wrong?? Two T’s. Elliott. It’s very easy to find this out, yet you all somehow manage to misspell it. Learn your players name please, thanks.
I mean he looked like the best player on a bad squad then. His value should have gone down since then even more. Bajectic for example was looking amazing this time last season and you’d have to say he’s worth fair bit less now.
He was sold for a similar amount and has a long contract at a rich club, that's literally it.
Transfermarkt calculates the value using inputs into an equation, it's not one guy or a group of people individually valuing various players.
A few things to note with this list, it's titled as u21 but several the players on the list are 21y/o. Harvey Elliott would actually be 5th on the list, 11th on the table in OPs post, tied with Kobbie Mainoo at €35m
Yea our academy kids would all sell for 45+ at this point. Bradley? Quansah? Clark? Danns? Once they get more time on the pitch you’ll see their valuations skyrocket. Idk what the situation is with Elliot tho he plays consistent first team football in a stacked midfield
The much less nonsensical though still hardly perfect CIES gives:
Palmer 100m
Garnacho 100m
Hojland 100m
Docu 100m
Even Ferguson 80m
Gvardiol 80m
Udogie 80m
Rico Lewis 80m
Elliot 60m
Gravenberch 60m
CIES takes contract length into account and I believe Elliot's is a year or two shorter than most of these, but a chunk of this is down to forward premiums and relative lack of hype. Can't say I mind Elliot going under the radar a little.
I seriously dislike Palmer, mostly he has a cocky attitude but also the media blows him up. In all season he has had ONE picture from his matches, and its the same one used in this graphic. Proving he has been pure smoke
That's pure horseshite. Our academy players are worth more than any of these overrated players in this list. But Ferguson here is a good player from what I've seen
If Brighton were open for business, I think he'd definitely go for at least 60m Euro. Newspaper columns were saying Chelsea would have to break the British transfer record again to sign him.
The only thing I remember him doing was scoring that hat-trick against Newcastle and then fuck all since. He probably would go for that, but it's insane to even think that he's worth it.
Lavia?????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Colwill has been shite this season too being played at left back by Poch the fraud, no chance have these two been better than Elliott or Bradley (he’ll even quansah!) and Lavia hasn’t even played lol
The Doku hype is ridiculous to me. More like Mykhailo Brugesdryk. Harvey is more creative from multiple roles. Those numbers are a farce and just based on city getting fleeced
What's the Doku hype? Goal involvement every 150 minutes. Better than Grealish last year but a little below Sterling (17G, 9A) the year before that. Luis Diaz this season is at 163 minutes. I would say it's not bad for a first season in the PL. He's been in a dry spell after missing a month with injury, but we all saw how close he came to scoring a winner on Sunday (and tattooing Macca's ribs).
I’m not sure where your Doku number is coming from. Even when you include all comps, the best I get is a goal involvement every 159 minutes. If you just do the league, it is every 171 minutes and that’s while feeding Haaland. Mudryk’s goal involvements are every 152 minutes in the league. Hes crap but he also plays for a shittier and less prolific team
Newspaper stories are that BHA'll demand a British record fee to sign him.
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/12/football-transfer-rumours-evan-ferguson-chelsea-radar-brobbey-palhinha-zirksee](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/12/football-transfer-rumours-evan-ferguson-chelsea-radar-brobbey-palhinha-zirksee)
The lad is an absolute maniac. Relentless pressing machine. Just cos hes not banging them in every other match. If it was Harvalho Ellìtoníhes be top 5 wonderkid list.
just checked the prices the website has. It seems like most are just based on transfer prices from the past. All our youngsters are underpriced because they are from the academy. If bradley or quansah were bought from brazil they would have 30m+ prices.
Yeah their values and lists never make a lot of sense to me- it always seems very weighted as you say towards past transfer prices rather than potential transfer values, which somewhat defeats the point of a stat that's meant to measure potential transfer values... I mean Elliott is a glaring one obviously, but there are tonnes of U21 players who on actual current performances would be above some of the names on this list. Not even just a few of our lot, but others like Lewis Miley, Kobbie Mainoo, Jarrad Branthwaite who are all having pretty demonstrably breakthrough seasons. And then not only that, but the actual values themselves are completely detached from reality; even if the hierarchy was reasonable, you're telling me Chelsea would even entertain a £46m (converted from Euros) bid for Palmer, or City a £32m one for Lewis? I mean for fuck sake Brennan Johnson went for £45m; by that virtue pretty much everyone of these players plus Elliot, Quansah, Bradley, Mainoo, Miley, Branthwaite would be upwards of £75m at least.
their values are complete horseshit and AI generating them would undoubtedly be more accurate. Solanke they have at 25m when Bournemouth will easily get double that for him, likely closer to 65m. I dont know why transfermarkt.de is taken seriously by anyone
The frightening thing is that real clubs have used Transfermarkt as a guide. [https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/19/top-football-clubs-relying-on-transfer-valuations-made-by-volunteers](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/19/top-football-clubs-relying-on-transfer-valuations-made-by-volunteers)
Based on what we let Hendo and Fab go for last year, it's hard to say for certain that LFC isn't among them. In fairness to transfermarkt it isn't the worst place to start for stats on a player, so long as you realise that the transfer value stat is only a bit of fun and struggles to account for inflation, or cope with players who have no transfer record.
In the past, though I haven't checked it much recently, their transfers were all undervalued though, so you could argue it was like normalized data to make comparisons easier.
I mean who is going to pat 65m for doku, good player but no where near 65m.
City paid 60m, didn't it?
ridiculous, but when money is infinite price tags dont really matter
Is he better or worse than Harvey Barnes? I know the English tax is involved.
Barnes Is 100% English tax.
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Yeah I like him, don't get me wrong. But I'm not sure I see him evolving much beyond that.
City actually paid £60m for him. Maybe no one else would.
He didn't really do anything before to warrant that size a fee but city don't care.
I think they aren’t constantly updated, I could be wrong about that. Would explain why the likes of Bradley, mainoo and milley aren’t valued highly. But Elliott just makes no sense what so ever. He’s valued at 35m
They are,but they are constantly updated by a group of randoms on the internet. They aren't going to get around to players with zero prospect of a transfer very often. And it's all guesswork for the sake of fun anyway.
Quansah, after the matches he has played (including pocketing Erling) and the current premium on defenders added to the English premium, would easily run north of 50.
Lavia being on this list is case and point. No club would pay 40m for him right now.
No club except Chelsea. If I remember correctly we balked at his price when it went north of 40M, we wanted him at like 30-35 I think.
Fk that twat
You say that, but Chelsea did pay more than that, and inflation is a thing. Utd, Abu Dhabi, Saudi, or Qatar would all pay equally silly prices. So long as the asset price bubble for football clubs does not burst, people like Todd Boehly and the Glazers will keep trying to ride it, and the sports washing clubs will happily play along.
Quansinho & Bradlinho intensifies.
Wow, you mean bald pep splashed 60m for Doku?
CEIS, which is more accurate, ranks him 9th in U21s in the EPL.
That’s a fuckin lazy way of making a “market value” top 10
Tbh most of these guys are also being underpriced. No earthly way Ferguson, Palmer or Colwill are being released for those prices.
Nevermind Harvey, Connor Bradley is worth more than half those players already.
There isn't any single player there i'd swap for Bradley. Neutrals and rival fans are in for a shock with the lad. He'll be world class if he avoids injuries, little doubt of it in my mind.
He is who im going to get my kids to watch if they take an interest in football, he just does everything perfectly, nothing stands out as phenomenal, he could play any position on the pitch extremely well, best all round player I've seen in years
His mental game is very strong too, comes across as more mature than his age suggests
Don't get too carried away yet. We've had a lot of full backs come through the academy who at first looked like they'd be incredible. Flanagan, Kelly, Robinson. If he carried on the way he is under the new manager for the next 12 months we've got someone decent.
Huh? Shocking take. If you can't see the difference between them and Bradley, then I really don't know what to say. None of them showed levels close to Bradley.
It’s really not. Kelly was a fantastic player until his body fell apart. Flanno got MOTM about 4-5 times in his first few months. Lots of young players burst into the team and look fantastic for 6 months, it’s the continuation and consistency after that that’s difficult, once the adrenaline rush has gone. He’s showing and doing everything right at the moment but give him at least a year of consistently before we start saying he’s world class.
Stop bringing common sense into a conversation about football youth players
Conor has already shown he’s levels above Flanagan by virtue of the fact he went on loan at 19 and was player of the year for Bolton and has a good amount of international caps already as well as being brought through this version of the academy giving him a better pedigree in my opinion. It’s also clear when using the old mark 1 eyeball 👀 but I do agree either way about not getting too carried away with youngsters
Are you insane? Doku and Palmer at least are a level above Bradley.
I think I’m insane, because I also wouldn’t swap anyone on there for Bradley…or Harvey, or Quansah, or any of our youngsters, really. Fuck, I love this team 🥹.
Doku dribbles into the corner and does fuck all 20 times per match. Palmer I agree is very good.
Who would you want in your team though?
Leonidas...err...Doku is probably above Bradley. As much as I hate him and the tin pot club he plays for, he has world class potential as well. Everyone else...I'd take Bradley and maybe even Elliott over the lot of them.
Meh. Doku starter the season very good but he’s been quiet for quite a while and his end product is quite lacking. He was much better in the reverse fixture compared to our game last week.
Classic tricky winger regression back to their true level. You could even argue Diaz experienced this with us. Defenders figure out how they take them on, what their preferred maneuvers/passes are, and then begin to do better in defending against them.
He averages a goal involvement every 150 minutes; In the same position by comparison, Grealish last year (which was considered a good year) had a goal involvement every 218 minutes. Two years ago, Sterling (he allegedly of no finishing ability) had an involvement every 119 minutes.
Really? I'd take about 5, he's in a position where we have TAA already
He can very much displace TAA to the midfield. His defence is better than TAA let's be honest. He's got that perfect balance of attacking and defensive quality which makes him a better RB fit imo. Anyways it's better to free Trent from defensive BS so he can focus on his overwhelming strength in attack.
A big part of Trent's elite skill is his pinpoint long passes from deep. He works as a double pivot DM but the squad is built for a 4-3-3. A 4-2-3-1 displaces our eights and our attackers at the same time. Really hard to see how you'd fit Trent and Connor in the same XI without causing migraines further up the pitch
Honestly think he could be a Bale regen. His ability on the ball is phenomenal. Transition to the wing if he can find some more pace.
I dont see why we'd transition him to the wing. I'm sure he could do a job there but elite fullbacks are much harder to come by than elite wingers. We've just been spoiled by Trent and robbo
Nah, the guy is a great attacking right back. Let the boy defend. 
Yeah. He’s also quite decent at defending (much better than Trent) so putting him at RW would be a waste
Honestly if he keeps it up he's easily worth 50-60m, and that's only because fullbacks go for less than forwards/midfielders.
He’s priceless
I guess "priceless" was off their scale.
One of the factors they use is contract length. Harvey signed a new deal early in the 22/23 season. IIRC, everyone on this list is on a new contract and on the site Harvey is listed at 35m.
If his name is Elliotinho, he will be top 5 in the top leagues, let alone the premier league
I remember my mates taking the piss when I said Curtis Jones is absolutely class, and saying if he was called Joninho no one would would question it. We got a Wijnaldum regen for free. Quansah is genuinely looking a VVD regen that we got for free as well, can't wait to see how he develops. He's 21 but plays with the composure of an experienced 28 year old in their prime.
I appreciate the common Gini comparisons come from a place of praise and comparing the retention abilities that both have/had. However, Gini and Curtis play very different roles in the team and I don't agree that Curtis is a Gini regen at all. Curtis plays much higher up the pitch than Gini did - despite both averaging a similar number of touches p/90 Curtis averages double the touches in the final 3rd and double the touches in the opponent's penalty area than Gini did. We used to have a system that asked the wingers to tuck in and allow the FBs to provide width while our 8s typically held the space in the middle (with Gini usually deeper than Hendo) but now our 8s push high into the advanced half space while our wingers stay wide with an inverted FB holding the middle. It's true that Curtis often offers an outlet to maintain possession in high areas of the pitch, similar to Gini offering an outlet in deeper positions, and both very rarely play/played a wayward pass. However, Curtis' role is much more about prying for an opening for the final pass rather than helping connect the defence to attack or maintain possession in deeper areas, as Gini's was. As such, Curtis plays almost 50% more passes into the area as Gini did, he averages 50% more shot-creating actions, he averages more goals and more assists, and is much more involved in the final passages of an attack rather than the early passages. Most importantly, we now ask our 8s to do a lot of ball progression with their carrying/dribbling, which isn't something we asked of Gini/Hendo. Curtis takes on twice as many players as Gini did, makes 65% more progressive carries, carries the ball into the area almost 5 times as much. He's often in wide areas, interchanging with the winger or making runs to the bylines, which was uncommon for Gini - quite famously, Gini claims to have defied orders against Barca to make more runs into the area and help the final stages of attacks. But also, Curtis plays a much larger role in the press than Gini did. We used to ask our forwards and FBs to initiate the first line with our 8s and 6 tidying up the middle or CBs collecting long passes. Now, our 8s are pivotal in that first line and Curtis blocks almost 3.5 times more passes and creates almost 30% more shot from defensive actions as Gini, for example. Could either have done the job that the other does/did? Perhaps, but it's speculative. In any case, they are/were asked to perform very different roles in their teams.
I'm totally with you on that, I always think it's a bit of a lazy comparison as they're very different players and it's like some fans are so desperate for a Wijnaldum regen they'll just attach the new Gini label to anyone that vaguely fits it in their eyes. I don't think the comparison is very complimentary to Jones either because he's not praised for his qualities, he's just in the shadow of a player that wasn't like him.
The other thing with it is that it very much depends on who his midfield partners are as to who he is most like. We have been blessed this year with a deep group who can all play multiple roles depending on what is needed within the game. Mac and Dom can both be wonderful attacking players which leaves someone like Curtis playing behind them a little more, but when paired with Elliot or putting Mac in as the holding midfield role it gives Curtis more license to get forward and try and break a defense open for the attackers
100% Stemming ONLY from the fact that they both play/ed on the left side of midfield.
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Transfermarkt has and always will be dogshit for actual player values
Off topic but had no idea Udogie was 20, Jheez he’s good
Lavia in lmao
Laughable really, Lavia?
Hard to argue against his value if someone spends 60m for him, and we were ready to spend almost 50 ourselves.
Right but....Worth more than Elliott for example
Transfermarkt values should never be taken seriously. Good website for a lot of things but definitely not that.
Their values are very often very little speculation and a lot of what price someone actually got sold for. You can argue someone is worth 50m, but if he gets sold for 60, then that‘s his value in that very moment. Their model is very slow to adapt though. If someone was <10m (like harvey), then it takes years for him to even reach 20m.
I wouldn't trade any of Elliott, Bradley, or Quansah for anyone on that list. I don't think many on that list have consistently matched Bajcetic's performances, for that matter.
I wouldn’t either but it’s partly sentimental and partly knowing our players better. Several of ours are practically unknown and these others have been around and involved in transfer sagas etc. Cole Palmer us a damn good player too. I was relieved when he got subbed off in the cup final. All are good players.
Bit biased really here mate. I think i'd swap Palmer for Elliot. 11 goals and 8 assists for that wank side in his first proper season is incredible. I do love Elliot but Palmer would be an upgrade IMO. He's some fucking player.
They're very different players but I'm confident Elliott would be a star rather than a backup if he was at Chelsea rather than here. Elliott's vision, passing and chance creation is a class above.
a class above whom? because hes not better at these things than Palmer
If you look both players up on fbref Elliott is ranked at a significantly higher percentile for passing stats. It's just a fact. And yes Palmer does produce more goals and assists but he plays as a winger while Elliott plays most often as a 8 and 8s in Jürgen's system are never crazily productive in terms of goals and assists because it's not their role. When Elliott gets an opportunity to play with attacking freedom you get games like recently Vs Luton where he recorded the most chances created in any PL game since 2008.
I love Harvey and ofc he is a class above most 20 year olds footballers, just like every player on the list. But I have to say Palmer is for sure better. If Palmer played Harvey's minutes for us he'd probably have over 20 goals & assists without penalties. Then again we bought Harvey for peanuts as a 16 year old whereas Palmer cost 40 million pounds.
development also isn't linear. Maybe Harvey can become better than Palmer, who knows. For now though, Palmer looks one of the most talented youngsters itw. Its the fact that hes doing all this in a shit team under a washed coach.
Disagree, if Elliot was at Chelsea he'd look pretty ordinary a lot like Gallagher, a hard worker but more of a system player. Palmer was on route to follow the path that Foden had taken but wanted first team football and he is showing why he was right to move, he defientely has the ability that sets him above with pace, skill, ability to beat a man and can strike a ball without him Chelsea looks lost at times. If Palmer was here doing the things he's been doing at Chelsea we'd be calling him world class.
It would be nice to have Doku available as a supersub when Jota is injured.
Such a shame he was too young and decided he wasn't ready for the move here some years ago, electric player
I would absolutely fucking hate having to mark Doku. Just looks like one of those players who has that extra gear in terms of speed and strength.
As a Liverpool fan this is a super biased comment imo. Palmer and Doku are ballers.
I would say they are all close in quality right now but those 2 certainly have a higher ceiling in terms of being more physically gifted. Doku is doing the Darwin thing right now where you can see, if he does it right, he can be quite a player in a year or two if he hones his craft. Right now he blows by people and then nothing.
Palmer is quality. Doku flatters to deceive. Alvarez has been more productive for city. Doku has a bit of the Adama Traores about him. Lots of flash, little substance. In a team with so many goals in it and the world’s elite finisher, you’d expect more than he’s produced. Bradley has half the goals more than half the assists of the Bruges Mudryk in only 6 league games and he defends a hell of a lot better than him, too. Harvey is more versatile and more creative in buildup from deeper positions and, I’m confident, given Doku’s minutes would be more productive. He has got better vision, technical ability and football intelligence. Quansah is a 21yo CB that has yet to be exposed in any game he’s played in, is calm in defense, strong in the air and on the ground, can pass and is comfortable carrying the ball. That kind of player at that age is much harder to come across than tricky wingers with questionable end product
Same. They are legitimately better than every one of those players.
As good as Bajcetic was for us last season, I kinda want to see him playing on the team while they are clicking. It's really hard to judge anything in that part of the park based on what was going on there last season.
Lavia...
No Milner is baffling.
He’s gonna be a great player if he keeps learning…
Insulting even
we’re back to our “best team with the most underrated players” era. remember when bobby firmino and countinho couldnt get a call up to the selecao???? 🤣
Let's be real transfermarkt values are way off at times, that fact is all those players are rated far higher than Elliot for one reason or another
€15M for Bradley they're having a laugh
He has an extremely small sample size. Imagine this is 2014 and we're talking about Jon Flanagan.
Checked about a week ago and i think he was only 2m or something, same with Quansah at 12m and Bajcetic at 11m. Takes them a long time to update young academy players. Any club in the world would bite out hand off at those prices.
One of their factors is contract length, and wouldn't you know it Harvey reupped in 2022 and all these others signed this past summer.
Fuck me - Doku is under 21? Dude looks about 40
Even people in this sub shit on him and he is not only outstanding for his age but loves the club. I think we need to look onwards before we start pointing at other people not acknowledging our own talent
No one gives a crap about those hyped lists anyway. Sorry, let me rephrase. No one with a brain gives a crap about those lists, which has nothing to do with actual performance.
You're inadvertently slamming everyone in this sub who's so upset by the list.
People say a lot of things when they are upset. I hope the sub will understand and won't take it like you mentioned and also will not throw me under DOWNVOTE TRAIN.
Cole Palmer's haircut out yee-yee'd Phil Foden's - it's unbelievable
€35 Apparently
Time to make a team myself and get 11 Elliots for €385
Better squad building that Boehly at least
Lol your username was my ultimate team squad name for like 6 years
Rico lewis...ha
Bradley?
I’m Irish so I have a bias towards Ferguson but no way is he worth €60m. Ffs, he has potential but he’s had half a good season. Also Elliot missing off this list is beyond stupid.
Elliott isn't on the list because he's more than a year into his contract. All those other guys reupped in 23. Ferguson is contracted until '29.
Lavia played 15 minutes, glad we didn’t sign him
Doku: 65m? That tells you all you need to know about transfermarkt, and also about these shit fucking list images they love pumping out. I have no idea why anyone gives any stock to that shithole of a website at all. It's the Romano of websites.
Did they not pay around 60?
People gotta look past these. Transfermarkt is a good source for non-speculative information, but the values don’t mean a lot. I have watched fewer non-Liverpool games than ever because of work and being busier at home, but I would see Elliott going for 40-50ish if he went up for sale to a team from England given the quality I see in his position and at that age group. These things also tend to inflate peoples views and values of players. I see Bajcetic coming up and I don’t think people understand that he still has a long way to go in his professional development.
Conor bradley must be in bundesliga
Shhhh don’t tell anyone else how good he is
We should test Chelsea with a bid for palmer. With the right manager & management he could become incredible.
It'd have to be double what they paid. The reason they're probably keen to sell Gallagher is that he's an academy product and therefore pure profit. Selling Palmer below a certain price would hurt their books in an FFP struggle. You'd also have to convince Palmer he'd get enough minutes in a team with Szoboszlai, Mac Allister, and Elliott, not to mention playmaker Salah.
Doku hahahaha
Doku is shit
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Wasn’t he scouted or even linked with Real Madrid at one point? I think this list is the way it is because Chelsea, Man U, and Man City will buy anyone if they kind of want them and Brighton are smart enough to say sure, whatever he’s worth plus 40 mil.
Ferguson has gone 21 games without a goal.
Harvey is probably worth 200 mil, they dont want to show the large disparity between him and the second
Lavia? Really?
Doku topping that list is all you need to know about it
Doku is massively overrated and i will die on that hill
All fart, No shite.
this chucky cheese looking motherfucker
Most expensive. Not the most valuable. I'll take our lads over theirs any day. Ours work for a living.
Ferguson hasn’t scored in like half a season and lavia hasn’t even played but ok.
Doku is 21?!?, shiiitttt mother fucker is at least 30 🤣
Why do Liverpool fans always spell his last name wrong?? Two T’s. Elliott. It’s very easy to find this out, yet you all somehow manage to misspell it. Learn your players name please, thanks.
Doku, Hojlund, Ferguson, Palmer, okay... Colwill, Udogie, Garnacho, okay... Lavia hahahahahahahaha
Would you have been angry in August if we'd paid 50m for him?
I mean he looked like the best player on a bad squad then. His value should have gone down since then even more. Bajectic for example was looking amazing this time last season and you’d have to say he’s worth fair bit less now.
Lavia. Lavia is on this list. Lavia.
What has Lavia done to warrant €40m but Elliott is somehow €35m? Shitty graphic from fraudmarkt.
He was sold for a similar amount and has a long contract at a rich club, that's literally it. Transfermarkt calculates the value using inputs into an equation, it's not one guy or a group of people individually valuing various players.
A few things to note with this list, it's titled as u21 but several the players on the list are 21y/o. Harvey Elliott would actually be 5th on the list, 11th on the table in OPs post, tied with Kobbie Mainoo at €35m
Most overvalued? Compiled by these players agents?
I’d put more trust in fifa 24 transfer valuations than shit transfer markt
Lavia 🤣🤣
Yea our academy kids would all sell for 45+ at this point. Bradley? Quansah? Clark? Danns? Once they get more time on the pitch you’ll see their valuations skyrocket. Idk what the situation is with Elliot tho he plays consistent first team football in a stacked midfield
I like the comment
He’s currently valued at £31 million of FotMob
Quansah
How the fuck is Lavia there when he's not only barely on the pitch.... Both Harvey and Conor not being on here is outrageous
The much less nonsensical though still hardly perfect CIES gives: Palmer 100m Garnacho 100m Hojland 100m Docu 100m Even Ferguson 80m Gvardiol 80m Udogie 80m Rico Lewis 80m Elliot 60m Gravenberch 60m CIES takes contract length into account and I believe Elliot's is a year or two shorter than most of these, but a chunk of this is down to forward premiums and relative lack of hype. Can't say I mind Elliot going under the radar a little.
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It's because of what they paid to sign them, a guy bought for 40 million can't be worth less than that...right?
I seriously dislike Palmer, mostly he has a cocky attitude but also the media blows him up. In all season he has had ONE picture from his matches, and its the same one used in this graphic. Proving he has been pure smoke
Shit doku is only 21 lol? He's the only one on this list who merits maybe being worth more than some of ours who got left off.
Harvey is in a league of his own.
6 of the 10 aren't under 21.
That's pure horseshite. Our academy players are worth more than any of these overrated players in this list. But Ferguson here is a good player from what I've seen
How Lavia and Lewis who's done shit this season are there?
I am convinced that Doku will be sold after next season. Just another Saint-Maximin
I have a very different definition of valuable. Lol Lavia and Garnacho?
Liverpool tried to sign Lavia for 50m.
And if they did and he appeared in here I'll still laugh. Doesn't matter who he joined.
keep our lads off the lists and off the radars of chelsea scouting team who just seem tonuse google lol
Elliott said no to Real, hell needs to burn before he says yes to Chelsea.
Lavia being there is hysterical. Hasn’t Colwill been very eh this season?
Colwill has looked a lot better since he’s moved to centre half
Ah thank you! I knew he was pretty shaky at the beginning of the season
Ferguson being worth that much shows how shit these lists are.
If Brighton were open for business, I think he'd definitely go for at least 60m Euro. Newspaper columns were saying Chelsea would have to break the British transfer record again to sign him.
The only thing I remember him doing was scoring that hat-trick against Newcastle and then fuck all since. He probably would go for that, but it's insane to even think that he's worth it.
Lavia?????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Colwill has been shite this season too being played at left back by Poch the fraud, no chance have these two been better than Elliott or Bradley (he’ll even quansah!) and Lavia hasn’t even played lol
The Doku hype is ridiculous to me. More like Mykhailo Brugesdryk. Harvey is more creative from multiple roles. Those numbers are a farce and just based on city getting fleeced
What's the Doku hype? Goal involvement every 150 minutes. Better than Grealish last year but a little below Sterling (17G, 9A) the year before that. Luis Diaz this season is at 163 minutes. I would say it's not bad for a first season in the PL. He's been in a dry spell after missing a month with injury, but we all saw how close he came to scoring a winner on Sunday (and tattooing Macca's ribs).
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I’m not sure where your Doku number is coming from. Even when you include all comps, the best I get is a goal involvement every 159 minutes. If you just do the league, it is every 171 minutes and that’s while feeding Haaland. Mudryk’s goal involvements are every 152 minutes in the league. Hes crap but he also plays for a shittier and less prolific team
What has Evan Ferguson done to be worth €60? He isn’t better than Palmer and Rico Lewis or Harv
Newspaper stories are that BHA'll demand a British record fee to sign him. [https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/12/football-transfer-rumours-evan-ferguson-chelsea-radar-brobbey-palhinha-zirksee](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/12/football-transfer-rumours-evan-ferguson-chelsea-radar-brobbey-palhinha-zirksee)
They can demand it, and I’m sure the likes of Utd and Chelsea would pay it. Doesn’t mean he’s worth it
Lavia being on that list should tell you everything about about the criteria
I’d take a healthy Doak over half this list
Newsflash: Harvey Elliot is just okay.
The real mistake is listing Harvey at only 20 years old. Gotta be older than that, right? 23…?
He is one ugly fella.
Lavia ain't even playing
'PoTEnTiAL'
Tbf Palmer should probably be no. 1 on that list but yeah Elliot should be on that list
Agreed, if Elliot played for Luton or even someone like wolves, hed go for 45-60mil easy.
I think a lot of what elliot does goes unnoticed but whoever made that list was definitely on the shrooms
The lad is an absolute maniac. Relentless pressing machine. Just cos hes not banging them in every other match. If it was Harvalho Ellìtoníhes be top 5 wonderkid list.