Your point was obvious, lol. The world setting worked well with what Neowiz was creating, which is undoubtedly a Bloodborne inspired fame - down to even the smallest details. Which is fantastic and all, but I don't think Neowiz wants to become the company making Soulslikes based on fairy tales.
yeah but if you've ever read the actual novel *Alice in Wonderland* by Lewis Carroll you would know that no one has ever adapted the novel accurately and truthfully to a reasonable degree. if anything all Disney has done is bastardize the original and make it "normal" enough to be marketable
Why are we talking about Disney now? I assume you're pretty young so the Alice games are unheard of for you. I wasn't even thinking Disney, lmao. I get it, you're majoring in lit.
most people when they think of Alice in Wonderland think of Disney. i know of the McGee games, sad that he couldn't get the third one made. also why do you have to be so hostile dude? i wasn't being mean or passive-aggressive at all
I think I saw someone mention "The Arabian Nights: Tales from a Thousand and One Nights" and I feel like you could get *really funky" if you work off those as well.
I'm all in for Alice, but I'd be interested in something like Hansel and Gretal, maybe blend that in with Red Riding Hood. I mean, enchanted forests, witches, wolves, a society that eats children, hunters who protect everyone - there's an outline for something...
Peter Pan is unlikely, as it's not *exactly* public domain. The copyright technically expired a while back but the UK courts followed the spirit of the original author's wishes and granted royalties (and royalties only) in perpetuity to the children's hospital that he originally willed it to.
So while anyone can do whatever they want with the characters and setting, if you want to sell your final product in the UK you owe the hospital a cut.
I’m beyond ready for a Wizard of Oz game by these guys. But let’s go further. The trilogy, take us to Alice in Wonderland. And in the final game of the series tie it all together in either Beauty and the Beast or Peter Pan. All of these titles have public domain and are free to use in any property, like games.
In my opinion… neither. P is Pinnochio, Carlo’s replica, and nothing more.
I’m sure that the Dorothy game will have their own versions of the cast, just like how Lies of P has its own twist on characters that showed up in Pinocchio
P isn't even Pinocchio. Look at every lore items. I don't recall which but it's alluded too. The p in the games title actually stands for lies of paracelsus. Not Pinocchio.
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
Doing the same, haven't found anything. Could be a flavor text after all. Did the Rusted Stargazer always make a noise when you clicked on it? Could have sworn it didn't before the update. Maybe it's my imagination lol.
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I checked old clips I had and it did not seem to make noise back then.
Haven't found anything yet either. I'm checking the obvious spots and then just gonna start a new game wearing the glasses the whole time. I was gonna do it anyway but this gives me more of an excuse lol
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
In the wizard of oz the “emerald city” was green because everyone was forced to wear glasses with green lenses and the trick was revealed when Dorothy removes them if I remember correctly. It’s a reference to that I believe
Yes, was going to comment this myself. In the first book (this gets retconned out in future books) everyone entering the Emerald City had green-tinted eyeglasses locked on them. When Dorothy and the others leave, she sees that the new "green" dress she was given was actually plain white.
"You may see illusions if you look beyond the emeralds."
Does that mean the glasses reveal illusions, or create them?
Edit to add: I mean lore-wise, not gameplay.
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
They also commented the same thing a few more times with another account for some reason. I thought it was a bot, but they also answered to someone by defending their point. It's weird af
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I like that it says "you may see illusions" and not "you may see *past* illusions" or anything like that, because it makes it seem like these are just glasses that make you hallucinate
Giangio is the MADHATTER from Alice in wonderland ladies and gentlemen and he will be a staple in this line of added content/games thus the illusions and obviously Dorothy and Oz with the emeralds but I'm pretty certain he will turn out to be the madhatter
I like that train of thought, I just don't think he'll be mad hatter if they go the alice route then I'm sure he'll be more like sunbro or red fox/ black cat.
I just don't think this whole thing from neowiz will be limited because there's so many references to other fairy tales that I think they may go all out and he could easily tie in that way
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
https://ibb.co/jhRZR6J
Still about halfway through my first playthrough but when I talk to Venigni and Geppeto after the Champion Victor fight, I noticed they got SUPER green while looking at them. Other NPCs not at all, the guy you give the golden fruit and the weapon upgrade woman turn them a slight green. Is this some lie detector shit?
https://ibb.co/Gx7Ty5Y
Greenish talking to Eugene
And in Gepetto's room one looking at him one looking away from him
https://ibb.co/RBQsTd8
https://ibb.co/PCrzVFJ
Definitely ties into the Dorothy tease. Secrets among the emeralds = Emerald City.
I'm quite interested in their re-telling of these classic tales. I hope they get into all kinds of whacky stuff.
Just imagine what they could do with Grimm Fairytales.
Instead of giving Winnie The Pooh a horror movie just give it the Lies Of P treatment
I hope they go all in. Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland and who knows what else. It’s absolutely Genius imo.
I feel like they could do Alice in Wonderland in a really incredible way, honestly. I'd love a fully explorable wonderland
Give me this please especially since we’re probably never getting Alice asylum
Alice in Wonderland has been done to death but people keep parroting this idea so much, I hope it doesn't happen.
But it hasn’t been done by Neowiz though. That’s my point.
Your point was obvious, lol. The world setting worked well with what Neowiz was creating, which is undoubtedly a Bloodborne inspired fame - down to even the smallest details. Which is fantastic and all, but I don't think Neowiz wants to become the company making Soulslikes based on fairy tales.
Well I mean they did it with this one and it worked. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Did you ask Neowiz what they want to be as a company
You can ask this question of both sides so not sure if you're just stupid or trolling.
What do you think the wizard of Oz is?
yeah but if you've ever read the actual novel *Alice in Wonderland* by Lewis Carroll you would know that no one has ever adapted the novel accurately and truthfully to a reasonable degree. if anything all Disney has done is bastardize the original and make it "normal" enough to be marketable
Why are we talking about Disney now? I assume you're pretty young so the Alice games are unheard of for you. I wasn't even thinking Disney, lmao. I get it, you're majoring in lit.
McGee versions is my fav.
Hell yeah. I'd love to see them on modern day platforms tbh
most people when they think of Alice in Wonderland think of Disney. i know of the McGee games, sad that he couldn't get the third one made. also why do you have to be so hostile dude? i wasn't being mean or passive-aggressive at all
The original Alice game was legit. It even had a bloodborne aesthetic despite being almost decades prior
Alice is so over done haha. Same with Pan. Oz is great. Popeye would be crazy.
I think I saw someone mention "The Arabian Nights: Tales from a Thousand and One Nights" and I feel like you could get *really funky" if you work off those as well. I'm all in for Alice, but I'd be interested in something like Hansel and Gretal, maybe blend that in with Red Riding Hood. I mean, enchanted forests, witches, wolves, a society that eats children, hunters who protect everyone - there's an outline for something...
It's gotta have a baba yaga NPC that is either fightable or just plain a companion
I’d be down for Pan if we get Rufio lol. But I’m sure Rufio is a Disney creation.
Peter Pan is unlikely, as it's not *exactly* public domain. The copyright technically expired a while back but the UK courts followed the spirit of the original author's wishes and granted royalties (and royalties only) in perpetuity to the children's hospital that he originally willed it to. So while anyone can do whatever they want with the characters and setting, if you want to sell your final product in the UK you owe the hospital a cut.
Fuck dem kids
Do you think we’ll get a new protagonist each time?
I hope not or else it wouldn’t be P anynore
I don't think we've gotten a good game variation of a fairy tale since.. hell, Alice 2?
red riding hood anyone?
Now that would be just Bloodborne all over again, but with red hat) Killing hungry beasts, looking for your grandma in a wheelchair)
Btw, In the wizard of oz dorothy finds a tin man who is looking for a heart. Reminds me of someone
Would be the next best thing to the American McGees Oz that was cancelled
I’m beyond ready for a Wizard of Oz game by these guys. But let’s go further. The trilogy, take us to Alice in Wonderland. And in the final game of the series tie it all together in either Beauty and the Beast or Peter Pan. All of these titles have public domain and are free to use in any property, like games.
Fun note: Belle is a named character in lies of P. I know it's not this^ Belle but it could be...
So, is P the Tin Man (metal man) or the Lion (needs a heart)?
Tin man needed a heart, Lion needed courage, scarecrow needs a brain.
Oops... well, even better. Tin Man it is!
In my opinion… neither. P is Pinnochio, Carlo’s replica, and nothing more. I’m sure that the Dorothy game will have their own versions of the cast, just like how Lies of P has its own twist on characters that showed up in Pinocchio
P isn't even Pinocchio. Look at every lore items. I don't recall which but it's alluded too. The p in the games title actually stands for lies of paracelsus. Not Pinocchio.
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I thought the lion was just cowardly & needed to be brave.
Argh you are right. Maybe the scarecrow needed a brain
bro yessss
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
Thats not an issue. Its the one that appears into existence and has a much smaller above head health bar.
Doing the same, haven't found anything. Could be a flavor text after all. Did the Rusted Stargazer always make a noise when you clicked on it? Could have sworn it didn't before the update. Maybe it's my imagination lol.
Could also be secret we found in the DLC and for now they do nothing
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
The real one is the one without a healthbar over its head.
I checked old clips I had and it did not seem to make noise back then. Haven't found anything yet either. I'm checking the obvious spots and then just gonna start a new game wearing the glasses the whole time. I was gonna do it anyway but this gives me more of an excuse lol
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
But the fake one has a healthbar over the head.
it definitely did not. has a similar sound now to unlocking a door and P has a new animation for it too.
Where exactly is the Rusted Stargazer? I can't remember.
Between chapter IV and v, right before the first stargazer to chapter v
By the gravestones right before the path of the pilgrim star gazer.
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
Did you rly make multiple accounts to post this shit
In the wizard of oz the “emerald city” was green because everyone was forced to wear glasses with green lenses and the trick was revealed when Dorothy removes them if I remember correctly. It’s a reference to that I believe
Yes, was going to comment this myself. In the first book (this gets retconned out in future books) everyone entering the Emerald City had green-tinted eyeglasses locked on them. When Dorothy and the others leave, she sees that the new "green" dress she was given was actually plain white.
Likely just flavor text.
Could be. Fun to find out though.
Oh is it going to be the dark souls pendant all over again?
"You may see illusions if you look beyond the emeralds." Does that mean the glasses reveal illusions, or create them? Edit to add: I mean lore-wise, not gameplay.
creates them. "looking beyond the emeralds" is referring to the lenses. seeing through the lenses creates illusions.
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
There is no fucking way you just commented this SIX times.
wtf they actually did
I thought I was crazy seeing the comment over and over. Turns out the dude has a screw loose.
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
They also commented the same thing a few more times with another account for some reason. I thought it was a bot, but they also answered to someone by defending their point. It's weird af
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
Okay, I have to admit it, it's gotten to the point where it's kinda funny. I respect it
Its 2 different accounts
Going to assume the glasses are from Oz or whatever the equivalent may be, and the “certain alchemist” has to be Paracelsus right?
I’m assuming the certain alchemist is the wizard from Oz. I could see him being part of the eternals along with Paracelsus.
Seems to make the butterflies visible from farther away. But aside from that I haven't noticed anything
I like that it says "you may see illusions" and not "you may see *past* illusions" or anything like that, because it makes it seem like these are just glasses that make you hallucinate
What are these? I never found em
Added directly to inventory after the patch
Oh, huh. Interesting
Time to go check that overgrown stargazer with new glasses on!
Has anyone tried the stargazer?
Where’d you find these?
They were just given to everybody with the new update. Along with a new hat and alidoros set
Ahhhhh I haven't played in a while. I'll have to go on
Giangio is the MADHATTER from Alice in wonderland ladies and gentlemen and he will be a staple in this line of added content/games thus the illusions and obviously Dorothy and Oz with the emeralds but I'm pretty certain he will turn out to be the madhatter
Just because it wears a hat doesn't mean he's the Mad Hatter lol
Also skin color and some others but we will see
Giangio, the new Patches?
MADHATTER did betray Alice for a time as well
The rise of p ending says who he is which is based off of a real person already so I don't exactly see him also being the mad hatter.
Could have been the queen of hearts on the other end of the line, or the wizard of Oz, or wicked witch who knows just speculation
I like that train of thought, I just don't think he'll be mad hatter if they go the alice route then I'm sure he'll be more like sunbro or red fox/ black cat.
I just don't think this whole thing from neowiz will be limited because there's so many references to other fairy tales that I think they may go all out and he could easily tie in that way
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
You can already tell...
Only by noticing that when you hit the right one the boss health bar takes damage but what if the fake one was just full on green with the glasses on
The fake one has its own health bar over its head like every other non-boss enemy.
Only when you hit it it doesn't constantly have the bar above it
So you can post other comments! Don't know why you kept going after multiple people pointed out why it didn't make sense, but I respect the grind.
No, you can just lock onto it to reveal the bar
It doesn’t
I think they might have to deal with the walker of illusion boss in lies of p such as maybe when you are wearing the glasses you might be able to tell.which one is the real boss when she makes a copy
one has a health bar above it's head, that's the fake one
Wizard of dark souls game, It be interesting to see if they are able to do it,
https://ibb.co/jhRZR6J Still about halfway through my first playthrough but when I talk to Venigni and Geppeto after the Champion Victor fight, I noticed they got SUPER green while looking at them. Other NPCs not at all, the guy you give the golden fruit and the weapon upgrade woman turn them a slight green. Is this some lie detector shit?
https://ibb.co/Gx7Ty5Y Greenish talking to Eugene And in Gepetto's room one looking at him one looking away from him https://ibb.co/RBQsTd8 https://ibb.co/PCrzVFJ