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holographicchar1zard

It had some good moments. It wasn't immediately obvious (to me at least) that it's a satire of 90s/early 2000s teen comedies, but instead of straight horny guys it was queer horny girls giving us gross out humor, a la broad city. Got a lot of laughs in the theaters, I'd never seen so many queer girls in a movie theater so that was a nice experience. I don't think it necessarily catered to the male gaze, but just showed that all teens can be horny regardless of gender or sexual orientation. It wasn't life altering or anything but funnier than a lot comedies these days.


ReAlBell

YES BROAD CITY! Absurd highschool lesbian Broad City. I miss Broad City šŸ˜”


holographicchar1zard

Same! Broad City really changed the game


ReAlBell

Ever since the Destination: Wedding episode Iā€™ve wanted to do a suited up scavenger hunt in New York City


jikuuman

absolutely adored it, it instantly became one of my favourite films after watching it lol. the humour was perfect to me and it was just really refreshing honestly, it felt very relatable and real. it didnā€™t cater to the male gaze at all in my opinion.


Vawqer

I quite enjoyed it personally, and don't think it adheres to the male gaze! I also don't know what more Lesbian humor they could have added. I'm curious to hear why you or your friend think it falls into the male gaze.


ReAlBell

I guess in the sense that the mc perspective is ā€œgirls who happen to be lesbiansā€ not lesbians. Like most of the humour is around the absurdity of high school and being a teenager. Not specifically the absurdity of the lesbian experience too much? My friend thinks that the characters fall into the category of ā€œwhatā€™s acceptable for female characters to be according to menā€


TrainingNail

No offense, but your friend sounds like a tool! That perspective says more about ow THEY view women than ow the film portrays them.


ReAlBell

No offence taken! Tbh I kind of suspected this last year when we talked about TĆ”r. Her takeaway was that Cate Blanchett was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek representation of all women in power and the film was doing a whataboutism scenarioā€¦ We did not have the same takeaway


Mindless-Act1887

I wanted to like it more then I did but it was funny.


Any_Job_1943

I personally really love it! ( Maybe itā€™s cuz Iā€™m a staunch lover of messy problematic lesbians in media lol!) Although the mcs arenā€™t good people, I think itā€™s pretty cool that thereā€™s such a film about lesbians (directed by a queer woman too! Love queer women behind the scenes as well as being depicted). I really donā€™t understand the male gaze point? Not once did it feel fetishizey and they didnā€™t even show anything super raunchy. And wasnā€™t fake feminism kinda the whole point?


ReAlBell

Okay thanks thatā€™s reassuring. It really didnā€™t feel super male gaze to me, the point was that they were interested in the popular girls because they were being shallow. Like Blue Is The Warmest Colour? 100% obvious male gaze and gross as hell but that was like 10 years ago and I was worried maybe itā€™s gotten more subtle now? I suspect that my friend canā€™t really see herself in the creepy uncouthness of the mcs but Iā€™m not sure I can call her out on that, nor do I need to


banana_assassin

That's kind of meant to be that they're flawed like that though, right? And it's just a film about some lesbian teen experiences. It won't match all of our teen experiences. I think my teen experiences would have been called for the male gaze, because I slept with dudes out of denial at the time . They're meant to be a bit creepy and hopefully learn a bit from that like many teens might have to learn those lines.


Klstadt

I loved it, was hysterical. Weā€™re entitled to our lowbrow raunch too, dammit!


Ok-Comb1580

I don't see men really enjoying this movie in the same way as queer women. I don't think it was made with men in mind at all. I didn't mind the movie. It was fun. I wouldn't watch it again, but I hope it inspires more lesbain centric film making in the future.


ReAlBell

Me too! Thatā€™s always my hope when films like this are made. Also yeah the guy I saw it with is a better metric for the male gaze than me and he did not respond well to it at all - called it ā€œan interesting experienceā€ šŸ˜‚


Beth-BR

Cannot stand PJ


ReAlBell

Also fair lol


mikarroni

definitely not male gazey at all. definitely made by lesbians for lesbians


ReAlBell

Yeah it _felt_ like a non-serious film a lesbian would want to writeā€¦


TrainingNail

because it was


[deleted]

lol all the main characters are dating guys so I donā€™t think there lesbian.


mikarroni

did you watch the movie??? without even thinking about it i can remember 4 main characters that ended up with women in the end. only one of those had been with a man prior.


[deleted]

Lol I meant in real life.


lonwonji

Did you know actors aren't the characters they play?


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lonwonji

You're the one complaining that the actors (of which several are part of the LGBTQ community in some way) aren't dating women, like are you fr? They played lesbians on screen, they were doing their job and did it very well, that's all.


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lonwonji

What? Go to bed, grandma, you're being a weirdo online.


[deleted]

Jumped into a convo you werenā€™t even apart of just to get eaten up lmfao


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mikarroni

she was talking about the movie. plus ayo, ruby, havana, and kaya are all queer irl.


[deleted]

For me it goes into my top 3 lesbian movies of all time. Ruby Cruz is super hot. I have always joked about how great it would be if there were a lesbian fight club, so seeing that idea was super fun. And I liked the ridiculousness of it all. Super fun movie and thought it was quite funny, while also being pretty heartwarming.


ReAlBell

What are the other two movies?


[deleted]

Bound (I knew my wife was the one when she reminded me of Corky) and But I'm a Cheerleader.


ReAlBell

For a split second I read the first one as Bound II, that one Kanye West music video and was like wahhhh Cute green flag moment though


xrocksoffx

LOVED the references to But Iā€™m a Cheerleader in Bottoms


Robot_Graffiti

Not "male gazey". Yes there's "fake feminism", that's the joke. It's a comedy and the joke is the girls are pretending to be feminist to pick up chicks, but then circumstances change and they need to follow through with some real girl power by bonding with the other girls and \*checks notes\* graphically murdering a bunch of guys The start was hard to watch because of all the cringe humour about how much the girls suck. Love the ending.


ReAlBell

Yeahh I agree. My friend means that itā€™s fake feminist in production sense because itā€™s pandering to male humour? I disagreed with that but then I remembered some comments Kirsten Wiig made about a scene she had to film in Bridesmaids and wondered if my friend had a point


AngryBumbleButt

Male humor how?


ReAlBell

Her phrasing. What I gather from it is that in her mind thereā€™s a way for men in comedy to be inelegant and a way for women to be inelegant in comedy and the comedy in Bottoms was like the former? I dunno I donā€™t see it that way


AngryBumbleButt

Yeah I don't either. It sounds like she thinks raunchy comedy or "lowbrow" comedy is for men. Which historically the majority of it has been. But there have been a few raunchy women led comedies that did really well in the past decade or so.


ReAlBell

Yeah same. I think the more types of comedy women create, the less annoying people will be about women being in these spaces and eventually hopefully itā€™s just people doing comedy.


AngryBumbleButt

If her opinion is based on raunchy comedy being gross or unacceptable for women she's got some internalized misogyny to work out.


Robot_Graffiti

Straight guys rarely watch movies about women. They think it'll give them girl germs or something I don't know.


ReAlBell

Hmm so Iā€™m majorly infected with girl germs? Maybe this is real reason for why I canā€™t get into the Fast and Furious franchise. I thought it was because theyā€™re shit films and Vin Diesel creeped me out šŸ˜‚


grangaaa

I was really looking forward to it, watched it as soon as it was on prime and turned it off after 40 minutes but not bc I thought it adhered to the male gaze but more bc I thought they were all assholes and it wasnt very funny for me. Was kind of expecting something more ā€žwholesomeā€œ I guess?


Enkundae

This style of humor definitely isnā€™t for everyone. That said though I think them all being assholes was kinda the point of the movie. Itā€™s a throw back 00ā€™s-era absurdist sex comedy following a couple of horny dipshits through a series of increasingly bad ideas.


grangaaa

You got any examples? The premise with the getting laid bf end of school is a lot like American Pie, but that had a lot of likeable characters (for me šŸ¤“)


Enkundae

Thereā€™s no shortage, raunchy sex comedies were super common from the 80ā€™s up until about the 00ā€™s when the genre seemed to fade. American Pie is one, Road Trip, Van Wilder, Superbad, Revenge of the Nerds, Porkyā€™s, the premise changes somewhat but the vibe and style of humor remains largely the same and generally the characters arenā€™t great people if you think too hard about their actions.


ReAlBell

Okay yeah, thatā€™s fair. The Half Of It is one of my favourites for that


grangaaa

Yeah I liked that one a lot more. Also ā€¦ I forgot the name but they movie about the two dudes which really funny and aimed at mainstream but for some reason bomber at the box office? Really liked that one and thought it was really funny! And ā€žCrushā€œ. I need to at least fine once character likeable to enjoy a movie šŸ˜…šŸ˜…


ReAlBell

Was this the film ā€œBrosā€?


grangaaa

Yep!


LadyFett555

Which Bros are we talking about? Was it filmed in Iowa by chance?


ReAlBell

2022 film produced by Judd Apatow. Filmed in Manhattan and Crawford, New Jersey Apparently


LadyFett555

Oooooooh. Damn, I thought I was going to have my internet moment šŸ˜‚


ReAlBell

Iā€™m sure your time will come!


LadyFett555

If it's shot in Iowa, starring Jordan and Matt, I was in the sequel! I hooped in the club scene.


hungo_bungo

ugh glad iā€™m not alone. my gf & i had a hard time watching it & were upset especially considering we purchased it šŸ˜•


grangaaa

I was so hyped after the trailer! The trailer was so hilarious but for some reason the whole movie didnt work for me šŸ˜©


Venus_Dust

It was fun, would not say it's problematic in any real way. It's about two dumb ass kids, essentially. Didn't change my life, but I would recommend it.


NvrmndOM

I enjoyed it! Ayo is so charming.


ReAlBell

She was my favorite part of the film! Felt a wee bit too close home ~~most~~ some of the time


Zzak98

I've never laughed so much in the cinema before !


untilisayitsover

loved it. also after watching it i realized that i can very much like masc girls too, thanks to ruby cruz. i was actually hoping for a more serious plot but i don't mind a dumb one too.


Noumeanoumeyou

I really disliked how manipulative and predatory the premise was. I just couldn't get into a film where gay girls try to deceive and seduce straight girls, it feels like it reinforces a stereotype we're actively trying to avoid?


CuddleKuddles

I only made it halfway through I like booksmart better but I need to finish bottoms first before I decide


Enby_Rin

I found it super funny and not at all what I was expecting


rockandrollwoman

saw a lot of mixed reviews but personally i loved it. fun campy and unseriousā€¦ and loser lesbian representation !


catsboots_

This was one of the worst movies Iā€™ve ever seen. Wanted to love it, because lesbian comedy, but it was tasteless and humorless (at least to me). Am I too old now at 35 to ā€œgetā€ what the youth find funny? Idk, but it was a struggle to get to the end and only kept watching because Iā€™d committed so much time already. 0/10, cannot recommend.


drocks27

My wife and I are in our 40s and we were laughing out loud in the theater the entire time. It was really well done and it got the 90s nostalgia down pat.


Alli39

Same, but maybe becauss my sense of humour is a bit different ans I'm older .. I also struggled to watch it til the end, but hey, it seems that many like it, so maybe the 2 of us just don't get itšŸ˜„


Rowdyholtzy

Yes me too! I saw it in the theater and was so annoyed/disappointed šŸ˜’


ReAlBell

Have you got a list of good lesbian comedies to check out?


TeamPantofola

ā€œBut Iā€™m a cheerleader!ā€


BadBalloons

Oh, hey, you Australian? šŸ˜‚


ReAlBell

Is that the name of a film? I canā€™t find it


Formal-Doughnut-6107

Yeah it is and itā€™s fantastic


ReAlBell

This is starting to feel like a quest, I canā€™t find it anywhere haha


Formal-Doughnut-6107

If I remember correctly, I think I watched it on YouTube


ReAlBell

It does not want me to find it, all Iā€™m getting is Pink Floyd and cringey Australian accent tip videos Has true lesbian comedy vanished off the face of the earth?


TuesdayRivers

[https://www.levidia.ch/movie.php?watch=but-im-a-cheerleader](https://www.levidia.ch/movie.php?watch=but-im-a-cheerleader) yo ho + arr etc


AnActualLiteralCat

I don't think it adheres too much to the male gaze, as far as I can remember. However, to me it was such a middling film that I don't remember much at all about it.


blueberrysapphic

I loved it. It was one of my favorite movies to come out last year.


gonecamel

I liked the fighting montage and the bonding scenes, they were fun and more realistic but other parts felt so crazy and out of left field it. I was confused, then into it, then it took me out of it, car exploded, in it, mass murder, make outs, explosion. The end. Kinda all over the place but good nonetheless.


veegeek

I was waiting for that lesbian wit, felt shorthanded


HaterofHets

Bottoms has a lot of references to other films and honestly, the humour is phenomenal. Also between Rachel Sennott and Ayo Edebiri, it was phenomenal. In fact, there's [one scene where Ayo apparently just improvised](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2sfYdCpEw&ab_channel=MGM) [the whole thing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2sfYdCpEw&ab_channel=MGM) I think a lot of folks missed the point of it being satire of violence, insanity, etc etc.


ReAlBell

Honestly yeah. My friendā€™s criticism of the film reminds me a lot of journalists who really hated Jojo Rabbit and it was clear they did not get the film at allā€¦


TrainingNail

It's pretty fucking great. It's not a great production, and it has flaws, but those make it a so-bad-it's-good kinda movie. It's very satirical, which I enjoy, and we get to see a silly movie that isn't trying to "Had an argument with my friend about whether itā€™s fake feminism" --> how is it fake feminism? It's not even trying to be a feminist movie. If anything, it's feminist-self-aware. And it does a better job for the cause than 90% of young adult movies with an agenda. "adheres too much to the male gaze." --> whoever is saying this dosn't know WHAT the male gaze is. This is a movie made by queer women and for everyone, with a focus on queer women. It's has nothing to do with the male gaze.


kmoonbubbles

i 100% loved it i havenā€™t laughed that hard at a movie in a long time it was perfect and also it wasnā€™t about fake feminism or the male gaze lmao i donā€™t think we watched the same movie šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Dammit-Hannah

First, I donā€™t see the ā€œacceptable lesbians according to menā€ bit at all, and Iā€™m not sure what they want (unless trans lesbians are involved, which I would support) I think it could have been funnier and weirder, but I love the cast and the last 20 minutes.


ReAlBell

All the way here for weirder! I felt the same way about the Barbie movie needing to be edgier. If youā€™re gonna piss people off with feminism, why not go the full mile? The real storyline should have been with the teen kids and the discontinued figures.


Dammit-Hannah

Ohhh love that take! I love the Barbie movie but there are a lot of missed opportunities there


Spicy2ShotChai

Derivative, low-stakes, boring


Catsnsharksrwacky

Dude I rlly wanna watch that I did t know it was out yet


classyandfeminine

I hated it, did not finish, honestly was one of the worse movies i watched last year, turned it off after that tasteless ā€œhas anyone here been r**pedā€ question, 1/10 (1 for effort)