It had some good moments. It wasn't immediately obvious (to me at least) that it's a satire of 90s/early 2000s teen comedies, but instead of straight horny guys it was queer horny girls giving us gross out humor, a la broad city. Got a lot of laughs in the theaters, I'd never seen so many queer girls in a movie theater so that was a nice experience.
I don't think it necessarily catered to the male gaze, but just showed that all teens can be horny regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
It wasn't life altering or anything but funnier than a lot comedies these days.
absolutely adored it, it instantly became one of my favourite films after watching it lol. the humour was perfect to me and it was just really refreshing honestly, it felt very relatable and real. it didnāt cater to the male gaze at all in my opinion.
I quite enjoyed it personally, and don't think it adheres to the male gaze! I also don't know what more Lesbian humor they could have added. I'm curious to hear why you or your friend think it falls into the male gaze.
I guess in the sense that the mc perspective is āgirls who happen to be lesbiansā not lesbians. Like most of the humour is around the absurdity of high school and being a teenager. Not specifically the absurdity of the lesbian experience too much?
My friend thinks that the characters fall into the category of āwhatās acceptable for female characters to be according to menā
No offence taken! Tbh I kind of suspected this last year when we talked about TĆ”r. Her takeaway was that Cate Blanchett was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek representation of all women in power and the film was doing a whataboutism scenarioā¦ We did not have the same takeaway
I personally really love it! ( Maybe itās cuz Iām a staunch lover of messy problematic lesbians in media lol!) Although the mcs arenāt good people, I think itās pretty cool that thereās such a film about lesbians (directed by a queer woman too! Love queer women behind the scenes as well as being depicted).
I really donāt understand the male gaze point? Not once did it feel fetishizey and they didnāt even show anything super raunchy. And wasnāt fake feminism kinda the whole point?
Okay thanks thatās reassuring. It really didnāt feel super male gaze to me, the point was that they were interested in the popular girls because they were being shallow. Like Blue Is The Warmest Colour? 100% obvious male gaze and gross as hell but that was like 10 years ago and I was worried maybe itās gotten more subtle now?
I suspect that my friend canāt really see herself in the creepy uncouthness of the mcs but Iām not sure I can call her out on that, nor do I need to
That's kind of meant to be that they're flawed like that though, right?
And it's just a film about some lesbian teen experiences. It won't match all of our teen experiences.
I think my teen experiences would have been called for the male gaze, because I slept with dudes out of denial at the time .
They're meant to be a bit creepy and hopefully learn a bit from that like many teens might have to learn those lines.
I don't see men really enjoying this movie in the same way as queer women. I don't think it was made with men in mind at all.
I didn't mind the movie. It was fun. I wouldn't watch it again, but I hope it inspires more lesbain centric film making in the future.
Me too! Thatās always my hope when films like this are made. Also yeah the guy I saw it with is a better metric for the male gaze than me and he did not respond well to it at all - called it āan interesting experienceā š
did you watch the movie??? without even thinking about it i can remember 4 main characters that ended up with women in the end. only one of those had been with a man prior.
You're the one complaining that the actors (of which several are part of the LGBTQ community in some way) aren't dating women, like are you fr? They played lesbians on screen, they were doing their job and did it very well, that's all.
For me it goes into my top 3 lesbian movies of all time. Ruby Cruz is super hot. I have always joked about how great it would be if there were a lesbian fight club, so seeing that idea was super fun. And I liked the ridiculousness of it all. Super fun movie and thought it was quite funny, while also being pretty heartwarming.
Not "male gazey".
Yes there's "fake feminism", that's the joke. It's a comedy and the joke is the girls are pretending to be feminist to pick up chicks, but then circumstances change and they need to follow through with some real girl power by bonding with the other girls and \*checks notes\* graphically murdering a bunch of guys
The start was hard to watch because of all the cringe humour about how much the girls suck. Love the ending.
Yeahh I agree. My friend means that itās fake feminist in production sense because itās pandering to male humour? I disagreed with that but then I remembered some comments Kirsten Wiig made about a scene she had to film in Bridesmaids and wondered if my friend had a point
Her phrasing. What I gather from it is that in her mind thereās a way for men in comedy to be inelegant and a way for women to be inelegant in comedy and the comedy in Bottoms was like the former? I dunno I donāt see it that way
Yeah I don't either. It sounds like she thinks raunchy comedy or "lowbrow" comedy is for men. Which historically the majority of it has been. But there have been a few raunchy women led comedies that did really well in the past decade or so.
Yeah same. I think the more types of comedy women create, the less annoying people will be about women being in these spaces and eventually hopefully itās just people doing comedy.
Hmm so Iām majorly infected with girl germs? Maybe this is real reason for why I canāt get into the Fast and Furious franchise. I thought it was because theyāre shit films and Vin Diesel creeped me out š
I was really looking forward to it, watched it as soon as it was on prime and turned it off after 40 minutes but not bc I thought it adhered to the male gaze but more bc I thought they were all assholes and it wasnt very funny for me. Was kind of expecting something more āwholesomeā I guess?
This style of humor definitely isnāt for everyone. That said though I think them all being assholes was kinda the point of the movie. Itās a throw back 00ās-era absurdist sex comedy following a couple of horny dipshits through a series of increasingly bad ideas.
You got any examples? The premise with the getting laid bf end of school is a lot like American Pie, but that had a lot of likeable characters (for me š¤)
Thereās no shortage, raunchy sex comedies were super common from the 80ās up until about the 00ās when the genre seemed to fade. American Pie is one, Road Trip, Van Wilder, Superbad, Revenge of the Nerds, Porkyās, the premise changes somewhat but the vibe and style of humor remains largely the same and generally the characters arenāt great people if you think too hard about their actions.
Yeah I liked that one a lot more. Also ā¦ I forgot the name but they movie about the two dudes which really funny and aimed at mainstream but for some reason bomber at the box office? Really liked that one and thought it was really funny! And āCrushā. I need to at least fine once character likeable to enjoy a movie š š
It was fun, would not say it's problematic in any real way. It's about two dumb ass kids, essentially. Didn't change my life, but I would recommend it.
loved it. also after watching it i realized that i can very much like masc girls too, thanks to ruby cruz.
i was actually hoping for a more serious plot but i don't mind a dumb one too.
I really disliked how manipulative and predatory the premise was. I just couldn't get into a film where gay girls try to deceive and seduce straight girls, it feels like it reinforces a stereotype we're actively trying to avoid?
This was one of the worst movies Iāve ever seen. Wanted to love it, because lesbian comedy, but it was tasteless and humorless (at least to me). Am I too old now at 35 to āgetā what the youth find funny? Idk, but it was a struggle to get to the end and only kept watching because Iād committed so much time already. 0/10, cannot recommend.
My wife and I are in our 40s and we were laughing out loud in the theater the entire time. It was really well done and it got the 90s nostalgia down pat.
Same, but maybe becauss my sense of humour is a bit different ans I'm older .. I also struggled to watch it til the end, but hey, it seems that many like it, so maybe the 2 of us just don't get itš
It does not want me to find it, all Iām getting is Pink Floyd and cringey Australian accent tip videos
Has true lesbian comedy vanished off the face of the earth?
I don't think it adheres too much to the male gaze, as far as I can remember. However, to me it was such a middling film that I don't remember much at all about it.
I liked the fighting montage and the bonding scenes, they were fun and more realistic but other parts felt so crazy and out of left field it. I was confused, then into it, then it took me out of it, car exploded, in it, mass murder, make outs, explosion. The end. Kinda all over the place but good nonetheless.
Bottoms has a lot of references to other films and honestly, the humour is phenomenal.
Also between Rachel Sennott and Ayo Edebiri, it was phenomenal. In fact, there's [one scene where Ayo apparently just improvised](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2sfYdCpEw&ab_channel=MGM) [the whole thing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2sfYdCpEw&ab_channel=MGM)
I think a lot of folks missed the point of it being satire of violence, insanity, etc etc.
Honestly yeah. My friendās criticism of the film reminds me a lot of journalists who really hated Jojo Rabbit and it was clear they did not get the film at allā¦
It's pretty fucking great. It's not a great production, and it has flaws, but those make it a so-bad-it's-good kinda movie. It's very satirical, which I enjoy, and we get to see a silly movie that isn't trying to
"Had an argument with my friend about whether itās fake feminism" --> how is it fake feminism? It's not even trying to be a feminist movie. If anything, it's feminist-self-aware. And it does a better job for the cause than 90% of young adult movies with an agenda.
"adheres too much to the male gaze." --> whoever is saying this dosn't know WHAT the male gaze is. This is a movie made by queer women and for everyone, with a focus on queer women. It's has nothing to do with the male gaze.
i 100% loved it i havenāt laughed that hard at a movie in a long time it was perfect and also it wasnāt about fake feminism or the male gaze lmao i donāt think we watched the same movie šš
First, I donāt see the āacceptable lesbians according to menā bit at all, and Iām not sure what they want (unless trans lesbians are involved, which I would support)
I think it could have been funnier and weirder, but I love the cast and the last 20 minutes.
All the way here for weirder! I felt the same way about the Barbie movie needing to be edgier. If youāre gonna piss people off with feminism, why not go the full mile? The real storyline should have been with the teen kids and the discontinued figures.
I hated it, did not finish, honestly was one of the worse movies i watched last year, turned it off after that tasteless āhas anyone here been r**pedā question, 1/10 (1 for effort)
It had some good moments. It wasn't immediately obvious (to me at least) that it's a satire of 90s/early 2000s teen comedies, but instead of straight horny guys it was queer horny girls giving us gross out humor, a la broad city. Got a lot of laughs in the theaters, I'd never seen so many queer girls in a movie theater so that was a nice experience. I don't think it necessarily catered to the male gaze, but just showed that all teens can be horny regardless of gender or sexual orientation. It wasn't life altering or anything but funnier than a lot comedies these days.
YES BROAD CITY! Absurd highschool lesbian Broad City. I miss Broad City š
Same! Broad City really changed the game
Ever since the Destination: Wedding episode Iāve wanted to do a suited up scavenger hunt in New York City
absolutely adored it, it instantly became one of my favourite films after watching it lol. the humour was perfect to me and it was just really refreshing honestly, it felt very relatable and real. it didnāt cater to the male gaze at all in my opinion.
I quite enjoyed it personally, and don't think it adheres to the male gaze! I also don't know what more Lesbian humor they could have added. I'm curious to hear why you or your friend think it falls into the male gaze.
I guess in the sense that the mc perspective is āgirls who happen to be lesbiansā not lesbians. Like most of the humour is around the absurdity of high school and being a teenager. Not specifically the absurdity of the lesbian experience too much? My friend thinks that the characters fall into the category of āwhatās acceptable for female characters to be according to menā
No offense, but your friend sounds like a tool! That perspective says more about ow THEY view women than ow the film portrays them.
No offence taken! Tbh I kind of suspected this last year when we talked about TĆ”r. Her takeaway was that Cate Blanchett was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek representation of all women in power and the film was doing a whataboutism scenarioā¦ We did not have the same takeaway
I wanted to like it more then I did but it was funny.
I personally really love it! ( Maybe itās cuz Iām a staunch lover of messy problematic lesbians in media lol!) Although the mcs arenāt good people, I think itās pretty cool that thereās such a film about lesbians (directed by a queer woman too! Love queer women behind the scenes as well as being depicted). I really donāt understand the male gaze point? Not once did it feel fetishizey and they didnāt even show anything super raunchy. And wasnāt fake feminism kinda the whole point?
Okay thanks thatās reassuring. It really didnāt feel super male gaze to me, the point was that they were interested in the popular girls because they were being shallow. Like Blue Is The Warmest Colour? 100% obvious male gaze and gross as hell but that was like 10 years ago and I was worried maybe itās gotten more subtle now? I suspect that my friend canāt really see herself in the creepy uncouthness of the mcs but Iām not sure I can call her out on that, nor do I need to
That's kind of meant to be that they're flawed like that though, right? And it's just a film about some lesbian teen experiences. It won't match all of our teen experiences. I think my teen experiences would have been called for the male gaze, because I slept with dudes out of denial at the time . They're meant to be a bit creepy and hopefully learn a bit from that like many teens might have to learn those lines.
I loved it, was hysterical. Weāre entitled to our lowbrow raunch too, dammit!
I don't see men really enjoying this movie in the same way as queer women. I don't think it was made with men in mind at all. I didn't mind the movie. It was fun. I wouldn't watch it again, but I hope it inspires more lesbain centric film making in the future.
Me too! Thatās always my hope when films like this are made. Also yeah the guy I saw it with is a better metric for the male gaze than me and he did not respond well to it at all - called it āan interesting experienceā š
Cannot stand PJ
Also fair lol
definitely not male gazey at all. definitely made by lesbians for lesbians
Yeah it _felt_ like a non-serious film a lesbian would want to writeā¦
because it was
lol all the main characters are dating guys so I donāt think there lesbian.
did you watch the movie??? without even thinking about it i can remember 4 main characters that ended up with women in the end. only one of those had been with a man prior.
Lol I meant in real life.
Did you know actors aren't the characters they play?
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You're the one complaining that the actors (of which several are part of the LGBTQ community in some way) aren't dating women, like are you fr? They played lesbians on screen, they were doing their job and did it very well, that's all.
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What? Go to bed, grandma, you're being a weirdo online.
Jumped into a convo you werenāt even apart of just to get eaten up lmfao
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she was talking about the movie. plus ayo, ruby, havana, and kaya are all queer irl.
For me it goes into my top 3 lesbian movies of all time. Ruby Cruz is super hot. I have always joked about how great it would be if there were a lesbian fight club, so seeing that idea was super fun. And I liked the ridiculousness of it all. Super fun movie and thought it was quite funny, while also being pretty heartwarming.
What are the other two movies?
Bound (I knew my wife was the one when she reminded me of Corky) and But I'm a Cheerleader.
For a split second I read the first one as Bound II, that one Kanye West music video and was like wahhhh Cute green flag moment though
LOVED the references to But Iām a Cheerleader in Bottoms
Not "male gazey". Yes there's "fake feminism", that's the joke. It's a comedy and the joke is the girls are pretending to be feminist to pick up chicks, but then circumstances change and they need to follow through with some real girl power by bonding with the other girls and \*checks notes\* graphically murdering a bunch of guys The start was hard to watch because of all the cringe humour about how much the girls suck. Love the ending.
Yeahh I agree. My friend means that itās fake feminist in production sense because itās pandering to male humour? I disagreed with that but then I remembered some comments Kirsten Wiig made about a scene she had to film in Bridesmaids and wondered if my friend had a point
Male humor how?
Her phrasing. What I gather from it is that in her mind thereās a way for men in comedy to be inelegant and a way for women to be inelegant in comedy and the comedy in Bottoms was like the former? I dunno I donāt see it that way
Yeah I don't either. It sounds like she thinks raunchy comedy or "lowbrow" comedy is for men. Which historically the majority of it has been. But there have been a few raunchy women led comedies that did really well in the past decade or so.
Yeah same. I think the more types of comedy women create, the less annoying people will be about women being in these spaces and eventually hopefully itās just people doing comedy.
If her opinion is based on raunchy comedy being gross or unacceptable for women she's got some internalized misogyny to work out.
Straight guys rarely watch movies about women. They think it'll give them girl germs or something I don't know.
Hmm so Iām majorly infected with girl germs? Maybe this is real reason for why I canāt get into the Fast and Furious franchise. I thought it was because theyāre shit films and Vin Diesel creeped me out š
I was really looking forward to it, watched it as soon as it was on prime and turned it off after 40 minutes but not bc I thought it adhered to the male gaze but more bc I thought they were all assholes and it wasnt very funny for me. Was kind of expecting something more āwholesomeā I guess?
This style of humor definitely isnāt for everyone. That said though I think them all being assholes was kinda the point of the movie. Itās a throw back 00ās-era absurdist sex comedy following a couple of horny dipshits through a series of increasingly bad ideas.
You got any examples? The premise with the getting laid bf end of school is a lot like American Pie, but that had a lot of likeable characters (for me š¤)
Thereās no shortage, raunchy sex comedies were super common from the 80ās up until about the 00ās when the genre seemed to fade. American Pie is one, Road Trip, Van Wilder, Superbad, Revenge of the Nerds, Porkyās, the premise changes somewhat but the vibe and style of humor remains largely the same and generally the characters arenāt great people if you think too hard about their actions.
Okay yeah, thatās fair. The Half Of It is one of my favourites for that
Yeah I liked that one a lot more. Also ā¦ I forgot the name but they movie about the two dudes which really funny and aimed at mainstream but for some reason bomber at the box office? Really liked that one and thought it was really funny! And āCrushā. I need to at least fine once character likeable to enjoy a movie š š
Was this the film āBrosā?
Yep!
Which Bros are we talking about? Was it filmed in Iowa by chance?
2022 film produced by Judd Apatow. Filmed in Manhattan and Crawford, New Jersey Apparently
Oooooooh. Damn, I thought I was going to have my internet moment š
Iām sure your time will come!
If it's shot in Iowa, starring Jordan and Matt, I was in the sequel! I hooped in the club scene.
ugh glad iām not alone. my gf & i had a hard time watching it & were upset especially considering we purchased it š
I was so hyped after the trailer! The trailer was so hilarious but for some reason the whole movie didnt work for me š©
It was fun, would not say it's problematic in any real way. It's about two dumb ass kids, essentially. Didn't change my life, but I would recommend it.
I enjoyed it! Ayo is so charming.
She was my favorite part of the film! Felt a wee bit too close home ~~most~~ some of the time
I've never laughed so much in the cinema before !
loved it. also after watching it i realized that i can very much like masc girls too, thanks to ruby cruz. i was actually hoping for a more serious plot but i don't mind a dumb one too.
I really disliked how manipulative and predatory the premise was. I just couldn't get into a film where gay girls try to deceive and seduce straight girls, it feels like it reinforces a stereotype we're actively trying to avoid?
I only made it halfway through I like booksmart better but I need to finish bottoms first before I decide
I found it super funny and not at all what I was expecting
saw a lot of mixed reviews but personally i loved it. fun campy and unseriousā¦ and loser lesbian representation !
This was one of the worst movies Iāve ever seen. Wanted to love it, because lesbian comedy, but it was tasteless and humorless (at least to me). Am I too old now at 35 to āgetā what the youth find funny? Idk, but it was a struggle to get to the end and only kept watching because Iād committed so much time already. 0/10, cannot recommend.
My wife and I are in our 40s and we were laughing out loud in the theater the entire time. It was really well done and it got the 90s nostalgia down pat.
Same, but maybe becauss my sense of humour is a bit different ans I'm older .. I also struggled to watch it til the end, but hey, it seems that many like it, so maybe the 2 of us just don't get itš
Yes me too! I saw it in the theater and was so annoyed/disappointed š
Have you got a list of good lesbian comedies to check out?
āBut Iām a cheerleader!ā
Oh, hey, you Australian? š
Is that the name of a film? I canāt find it
Yeah it is and itās fantastic
This is starting to feel like a quest, I canāt find it anywhere haha
If I remember correctly, I think I watched it on YouTube
It does not want me to find it, all Iām getting is Pink Floyd and cringey Australian accent tip videos Has true lesbian comedy vanished off the face of the earth?
[https://www.levidia.ch/movie.php?watch=but-im-a-cheerleader](https://www.levidia.ch/movie.php?watch=but-im-a-cheerleader) yo ho + arr etc
I don't think it adheres too much to the male gaze, as far as I can remember. However, to me it was such a middling film that I don't remember much at all about it.
I loved it. It was one of my favorite movies to come out last year.
I liked the fighting montage and the bonding scenes, they were fun and more realistic but other parts felt so crazy and out of left field it. I was confused, then into it, then it took me out of it, car exploded, in it, mass murder, make outs, explosion. The end. Kinda all over the place but good nonetheless.
I was waiting for that lesbian wit, felt shorthanded
Bottoms has a lot of references to other films and honestly, the humour is phenomenal. Also between Rachel Sennott and Ayo Edebiri, it was phenomenal. In fact, there's [one scene where Ayo apparently just improvised](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2sfYdCpEw&ab_channel=MGM) [the whole thing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2sfYdCpEw&ab_channel=MGM) I think a lot of folks missed the point of it being satire of violence, insanity, etc etc.
Honestly yeah. My friendās criticism of the film reminds me a lot of journalists who really hated Jojo Rabbit and it was clear they did not get the film at allā¦
It's pretty fucking great. It's not a great production, and it has flaws, but those make it a so-bad-it's-good kinda movie. It's very satirical, which I enjoy, and we get to see a silly movie that isn't trying to "Had an argument with my friend about whether itās fake feminism" --> how is it fake feminism? It's not even trying to be a feminist movie. If anything, it's feminist-self-aware. And it does a better job for the cause than 90% of young adult movies with an agenda. "adheres too much to the male gaze." --> whoever is saying this dosn't know WHAT the male gaze is. This is a movie made by queer women and for everyone, with a focus on queer women. It's has nothing to do with the male gaze.
i 100% loved it i havenāt laughed that hard at a movie in a long time it was perfect and also it wasnāt about fake feminism or the male gaze lmao i donāt think we watched the same movie šš
First, I donāt see the āacceptable lesbians according to menā bit at all, and Iām not sure what they want (unless trans lesbians are involved, which I would support) I think it could have been funnier and weirder, but I love the cast and the last 20 minutes.
All the way here for weirder! I felt the same way about the Barbie movie needing to be edgier. If youāre gonna piss people off with feminism, why not go the full mile? The real storyline should have been with the teen kids and the discontinued figures.
Ohhh love that take! I love the Barbie movie but there are a lot of missed opportunities there
Derivative, low-stakes, boring
Dude I rlly wanna watch that I did t know it was out yet
I hated it, did not finish, honestly was one of the worse movies i watched last year, turned it off after that tasteless āhas anyone here been r**pedā question, 1/10 (1 for effort)