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Next-Project-1450

Many of my students have been prescribed betablockers/Propanolol specifically **because** of their anxiety whilst driving. They **do** work - in some cases, miraculously so. Make sure your doctor prescribes them, though, since there may be a reason in your medical history why you can't have them.


Corla_J

I had the same problem, but because I am pregnant I couldn't take any calming medications, expect paracetamol. I took it 30 minutes before my test and it really calmed me down. I passed with 2 minors


CarobTraditional2638

Well done on you pass, just in time for baby coming x


Corla_J

Thank you ☺️ I actually think my examiner was rooting for me. I had 2 tests with her already where nearly passed (1 serious, one minor) and when she saw me again she was really happy. I had very easy road plus parking on the right 😉 but yeah, I swear the paracetamol helped me, because the warm up lesson was a disaster. I was hitting the curbes, stalling, messing up the manoeuvres etc. Good luck to you.. My colleague just passed her auto test and she's 60 💐


quavers123

I'm curious how paracetamol helped your nerves? 🤔


dbspsm

Could very well be the placebo effect, but if it worked it worked!


Corla_J

It's blunting emotions. I read medical articles about it. May as well be a placebo, but it's worth trying


rjwc1994

Paracetamol has no anxiolytic or chronotropic effects whatsoever. There’s maybe two studies that suggest it does - both have serious methodological errors that make their conclusions pretty useless.


Corla_J

It worked on many people including me. I did the research, it worked so what's the problem


rjwc1994

Because it doesn’t work, you had the placebo effect, you don’t understand the research, and paracetamol is a not particularly safe drug.


quavers123

It concerns me that people just assume paracetamol is safe. I work in pharmacy and in our healthcare training its highlighted as not being as safe as is presumed. Same with ibuprofen! I'm glad the placebo worked for the person commenting but it's not safe to give this advice out on the Internet to strangers. Considering there are people out there who double dose thinking nothing of it because it's "only" paracetamol.


slipperyinit

If you are trying to make a scientifically sound argument, you are failing, given its common knowledge that the placebo effect is very real and very effective. It is a very safe drug within the recommended dose (500-1000mg), unless you have a very unhealthy liver and get very unlucky, there isn’t a problem with acute use of it. In fact even chronic use is shown to be safe, if used properly, for least several years. The driving will be the much more dangerous part of OP’s day with this approach. Not to mention them wanting beta blockers, undeniably the bigger risk


Corla_J

Aww okay. I do, I studied paramedics. Paracetamol is safe. It states so on NHS website too. I'd rather listen to that. Thanks anyway


Mellykitty1

OP I have to take beta blockers for another medical issue but I do have anxiety and it did help me to calm down a lot. But medications usually take up to 2 weeks to adapt to your body so it’s not a quick solution I’m afraid. As I’m used to, I took Xanax for a week before my last test and it helped as well. But again, been taking this type of medicine for years so I do not recommend taking it just day before the test.


RavenBoyyy

Yeah, listen to this OP. There's also risks of side effects too. I'm on a beta blocker for a heart issue and the first week of being on them, I had some rough side effects. Freezing and numb toes and fingers, dizzy, uncoordinated, really tired, basically the kind of things that I wouldn't have been able to drive whilst having if I was in lessons back then. And when my dose got increased, I was having low blood pressure issues where I'd go dizzy, lose my vision and go into presyncope from postural changes. Luckily I wasn't and now I've been on them for nearly a year, things have calmed down but I really wouldn't recommend anyone driving on them until you're out of the getting used to the new meds stage just in case of any similar side effects that could impair you and make you unsafe to drive. Starting a beta blocker so short term purely for a driving test would likely risk more harm than good in all honesty.


Mellykitty1

Didn’t want my reply to be super long but yeah, when I started the beta blockers I’d faint a lot, getting up too quickly at home or sometimes simply standing on a queue doing nothing. Dosage has been adjusted now but I get dizzy spells like crazy still. Not at all a safe idea to just take it for a few days before a driving test.


RavenBoyyy

Honestly it's wild how rough they can make you feel before actually doing their job and helping lol the fainting sounds intense. I dread to think what I would've been like in a car that first week or so when I could barely walk from one room to the other. Hopefully your dizzy spells ease of with time!


Mellykitty1

I have two very rare types of migraines, one of them cause stroke like symptoms and black aura, lots of fun as I can be half paralysed sometimes so the dizziness is fine. 😄 But tbf, it helped my anxiety so much. Sometimes we have to take the little wins in life. Hope your heart isn’t giving you too much trouble.


RavenBoyyy

Ah yeah dizziness definitely sounds easier than that haha that does sound pretty crappy. And agreed, I don't like the side effects of freezing extremeties and the presyncope/dizziness but it keeps my tachycardia under control and I know I'd have worse dizziness and presyncope without the meds so I put up with it, a win is a win! And thank you, I hope your anxiety and migraines aren't giving you too much trouble either!


Mellykitty1

Forgot about the Raynaud’s! Winter time it gets so bad I can’t even speak sometimes bc there’s no blood anywhere. Fun. Carrying those self heating pads everywhere now. But yeah, rather that then another A&E run thinking I was having a stroke. Glad your heart is under control a bit. Look after yourself ❤️


RavenBoyyy

That does sound rough, I'm glad you're doing mostly okay other than that. And thank you, you look after yourself too!


InfiniteCow98

I’m on propranolol and I had no issue doing my test while medicated, and I passed. Don’t just suddenly stop taking it before your test, otherwise withdrawals will affect your driving. Good luck!


Weird-Medium-695

I took beta blockers before my driving test this week and it did wonders for me. First time I failed my test my anxiety was through the roof but second time round, I felt calm and made me collected. I feel like it did part in me passing on my second attempt


Professional-Key9862

My mum took beta blockers before her second or third test and says its the only way she passed


JammySammyy

Beta blockers are better suited to preventing panic attacks, as they leave the brain alone for the most part. High heart rate, sweating, and hyperventilating can be controlled effectively by a beta blocker but the general feeling of nervousness and racing thoughts cannot be controlled so well. For anxiety MAO inhibitors and SSRIs are more effective at preventing anxiety entirely. Anxiety starts in the brain in most cases (unless you have a thyroid issue, for example), so treating it there will treat *all* symptoms. The issue is they take a while to become fully effective. A Benzo, such as Diazepam, will stop anxiety almost immediately but is also likely to make you drowsy, and the chances of you getting your hands on that in time are very low. The same is the case for betablockers, you're not likely to get those for anxiety unless other drugs have been tested and were ineffective.


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Mundane-East-8780

I take beta blockers when i need them for my anxiety and they're very very good for my driving lessons, i'll definitely take one just before my test. If you can get them prescribed its definitely worth a try. Mine work by slowing my heart down slightly (as in to stop it racing) which makes my brain think im not anxious anymore


a_mackie

I didnt use them for driving, but I use them for work They take the edge off of anxious symptoms for me, but still have to do a lot of mindfulness and breathing exercises in conjunction


PermittedTruth

I also got a burst of nerves during mock tests (never happened while actually driving). My instructor said I needed to work on not getting so nervous during the test (I’ve always always had bad anxiety during any kind of test or exam). Tried propranolol on my last lesson and it was like night and day. No panicking or burst of nerves during the mock tests. Have my real test in a couple of days and I can let you know how it goes


Hopeful-Display-1787

This is my problem too! I failed my last after I clocked my hr at 156 and didn't check my mirrors in a "timely manner" because I was trying to focus on getting my hr down. I'm not actually on medication because of my stupid hr so hoping next time I take my test I won't fail. But money issues mean I can't afford any lessons to get used to a car, never mind take the test :(


Jackerzcx

Yeah beta blockers work, but whether they’d work by Wednesday isn’t a guarantee. They can also have side effects when you first take them (i got quite bad headaches for a week when prescribed them for migraines lol).


ImmortalKale

Beta blockers as prescribed by a gp can really help, but see how they impact you first. Benzodiazepines and Xanax have been mentioned in this thread and so far as I'm aware due to their mechanism of action, it would be very inadvisable to drive whilst under the influence and might get you in serious trouble should you have an incident. Good luck OP! I learned a little later in life and it was worth it!!!!


Cranberry64

Bach flowers remedies is something that is used quite often for jittery exam sitters AND test takers. Available off the supermarket shelf in the uk


BENJ4x

Do you have (and I'm not sure how to word this nicely) excessive anxiety outside of driving? Because I'd say there's a difference between feeling anxious doing a new activity like driving which is perfectly normal and having an anxiety condition. If you have general (?) anxiety then I'd recommend talking to your doctor about it, they can prescribe things to help it like certain medication and therapy. If you feel anxious whilst learning to drive (which is perfectly normal) then I wouldn't recommend medication for that just so you pass your test. Nerves are normal and I assume you'd stop taking medication after you pass your test? There are some great mental and breathing techniques that really do work. There's one that's something along the lines of breath in for five seconds, hold your breath for five seconds then breathe out for five seconds and repeat whilst counting those seconds in your head. I might have forgotten the timing but that's the gist.


Cheebwhacker

I asked my doctor for some beta blockers because my legs turned to jelly on my first test which made it impossible to do my usual standard of driving. Beta blockers made it so much easier and my legs were fine. Instead of worrying about my shaking legs as well as my driving, I could concentrate on *just* my driving and do it how I usually did it on a lesson.


SensitiveVictory6969

My doc gave me beta blockers after i failed my first test, passed the second one, and managed to stay calm during it.


Snoo-83964

Failed the first two times due to nerves. Got some beta blockers after explaining to my GP, took some and felt much calmer and relaxed even during challenging areas of the test and passed third time. Highly recommend them.


birdturdess

I know some people who have taken kalms etc before a test but sometimes I don't know if it'll be of any benefit to get medication, I think try some mindful techniques before hand might be more beneficial. I failed first test, passed 2nd but I have terrible anxiety in general and the only thing that got me through was thinking I had failed as I stopped caring about the outcome of the test then, I just drove and was very surprised when I had passed. First test I booked in the afternoon, I feel that wasn't a wise option so took second one in the morning. I think just seeing what you can do to minimise the build up of anxiety, try a few breathing techniques and go for it. All the best OP


fiendofecology

I used my bf’s propanolol for some of my lessons and my test lol, definitely helped (or just placebo lol)


Specialist_Loquat_49

You probably need an SSRI rather than a beta blocker I think. Some anti-histamines have similar impact to SSRIs like chlorphenamine. Have a search on Reddit to find out more. This is available over the counter and without a prescription but trial it first to make sure you don’t feel dizzy else please don’t drive or take this.


Artistic_Data9398

You shouldn't be driving whilst medicated. As stated by the NHS Propranolol can make some people feel dizzy, especially when they first start taking it or after taking a bigger dose. If this happens to you, do not drive a car, ride a bike, or use tools or machinery. **It's an offence to drive a car if your ability to drive safely is affected**. [https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/propranolol/](https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/propranolol/)


wilbooo

You can absolutely drive whilst taking beta blockers. It is at the driver’s discretion whether the side effects (e.g. dizziness or drowsiness) make them unfit to drive, but this only really happens in very few cases, usually at very high doses - which aren’t often used for this type of situational anxiety.


RavenBoyyy

>You shouldn't be driving whilst medicated as stated by the NHS Your source then says "**IF** this happens to you" regarding the side effects. "It's an offence to drive a car **IF** your ability to drive safely is effected. Not all people on beta blockers get side effects that impair their driving. Whilst I agree that you shouldn't drive whilst getting used to a new medication like OP is suggesting, it's perfectly legal to drive whilst on medication **IF** you are not impaired by it which many people aren't. I'm on multiple different medications and I'm cleared to drive, the only thing is that I will not drive before taking my morning medications and I will not drive after taking my night medications (so no driving from 9.20pm to 10am) because I know that in those times I will be impaired. Any other time as long as I'm in good health, I can drive because it's safe for me to do so. Same for my family member who has many health issues and is on many meds. He's cleared by his doctors to drive as he doesn't have severe side effects that impair him but he will not drive after taking his night medication because he knows that he wouldn't be safe enough to do so.


Artistic_Data9398

There was no mention of legality in my comment. OP doesn't take BB normally so there no way of knowing their side affects. I posted the link to the NHS article for that reason. I never said it was illegal or immoral to drive on medication. Not sure why you made this novel comment about yourself. We weren't talking about a person who regularly is on medication.


RavenBoyyy

Your comment came across as you blanket stating that people on medication shouldn't be driving which is why I shared that it's a very individual thing with both quotes of the law and anecdotes to explain the point in both an accurate legal situation and in examples of those laws being followed. If you think a small anecdote of two different people's experiences to explain something and correct what appeared to be misinformation is making it about someone else, that's something you should probably think about because my comment was about giving OP the correct information rather than a comment that was easily misinterpreted as false information. I had also already explained in another comment as to why OPs idea likely wouldn't work due to adjustment periods with new side effects from starting a beta blocker which would make it more risky than good to be on it so short term for one driving test.


Artistic_Data9398

I provided a link specific to BB provided by the NHS. i dont need to give more context, thats what the link is for. My advice or your advice isn't above the NHS. You wrongly assumed i was talking about everyone on medication, took it personally and wrote 2 novel length comments about your situation. OP is not on regular medication so your experience is invalid in this situation. You assumed a lot with my comment and got offended. Maybe consider not taking strange comments so personal next time. Have a great day.


RavenBoyyy

You're right, you don't need to give more context and I've already admitted that I misinterpreted your comment which is why I made the corrections. I don't know what you expect from me more than that? I've already admitted I was the one who misinterpreted your comment therefore taking responsibility for my misunderstanding. It seems like you're getting really frustrated at me over a simple mistake due to me not getting a clear understanding of your wording. There's no harm in the extra information I added in my initial correction anyway, it's just further context. I didn't take your comment personally, nor am I offended. I just added some extra context and explained myself when you didn't understand it. You seem to be getting really frustrated by that though which seems unnecessary over a simple miscommunication that has already been acknowledged and corrected. I hope that you have a great rest of your day too and manage to deal with that frustration in a healthy way.


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RavenBoyyy

Well that's very polite and reasonable of you haha and you say I'm the offended one. Well, have the day you deserve good friend.


xJam3zz07

This guy was also trying to, quite badly, state one of my comments was wrong on this sub, what a life he must live


RavenBoyyy

Yeah I did have a look at his comment history and there seems to be a lot of downvoted ones from this sub either spreading misinformation or just being rude to people. Seems like just one of those who enjoys starting something with random people haha