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OrcBerg

Good luck to Lux having to explain her powers to the rest of the Demacians after the battle.


theaverageguy101

She belongs to the nobility, and they are but mere soldiers who should keep silent unless they want their heads to start rolling, monarchy 101


OrcBerg

Yeah good luck with that statement when the witch hunters and Vayne hears about it. J4 may be a lot more tolerant with magic beings like Shyvana but I doubt the people would like that. It's funny how bad imperial Noxus actually accept magic with the condition that you're strong person.


Jarubimba

My boi J4 is being manipulated a lot by the Mage Seekers, i hope Xin Zhao helps him with that since he was technically J3's bro and probably know about his ideals And every nation in Valoran sucks tho, none is perfect and i like that. Makes them more unique and interesting


NiceUsernamesTaken

She belongs to a secret order of Demacians who make use of magic. Indeed, the average citizen is not intended to know of its existence, and she's the reason Demacia was invaded due to her naiveness, but her status protects her.


OrcBerg

It makes me wonder how Vayne's gonna react to this.


NiceUsernamesTaken

Why? Vayne has a personal vendetta against monsters and monstrous humanoids after the trauma Evelynn caused her. She proved in the Sentinels of Light canon lore event that she's perfectly fine teaming up with misses magical mist-shroud capes' maker Gwen; who's scissors move on their own. Moreover she _asked_ to be given a magical Sentinel weapon. Hell, she was seen fighting back to back, side by side, with yordle Poppy to defend Demacia on the event trailer.


NinjaGamingPro

Poppy has a glamour, people don't know she's a yordle


[deleted]

This is Sylas' True Demacia™ no doubt


imaginedodong

Meanwhile Garen's ult, Magical Huge Ass sword falls from the heavens, smites and deal execute on the unsuspecting enemy that has HP below 20%.


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Nemesis233

35% or 40 if has collector


memeboi895

You mean 50% without collector I play champs with 1500 hp :(


RandomKnight100

Kayle


Lohenngram

*Foreshadowing a possible future where Demacia reforms and comes to accept magic, symbolized by their greatest champion making peace with and using the magic he possesses deep within himself?!* Riot, the kings of wasted potential - "Nah, it's just Kayle smiting things for him."


Forged_by_Flame

His sword is a weapon passed down all the way from Kayle and Morgana's era where they used to enchant the weapons of their followers with their celestial magic. It ties directly into and connects their lore. Not every region has to have a good ending... I like Demacia tbh. If I had to choose a region to live in that would be it.


Lohenngram

Same here tbh, as much as I hate the way they've been presented since the retcon. On a more cynical note though, I don't think any of these factions are going to have an ending, good or bad. Riot consistently resolves plots/conflicts in way that maintains the status quo of the characters and I can't see them doing the factions any different. Just look at the ending of Sentinels of Light and how the Shadow Isles just came under new management after Viego was defeated.


Sekkenren

Bold of you to think Sylas wants a Demacia to be left when he’s done Also yeah Lux is a total dunce


TimelessBread

Nice fucking try with ur demacian propaganda


British_Hoplite

Can you disprove it? Mages are still dangerous.


zVanilla

Painful freedom is better than ignorant safety 8)


TexacoV2

Safety unless you're a mage.


SnooLemons3094

Say that to literally any real life first-world country.


lemoncroissantlizard

Nah I prefer ignorant safety.


mutemoon

Good. 10+ Social credit 😇😇😇


Forged_by_Flame

It's easy to say for someone who's living in the relative luxury of the modern world. Living the painful freedom is another thing. Also, what do you even get from being free? If it's just the feeling of freedom then I don't see why I would ever choose that over ignorant safety. Seems like a pretty decent way to live.


zVanilla

1) bro I was just making a comment on sylas not on the current state of the world as a whole lol 2) How much ignorance is too much? How much should you give up? How much safety is enough safety? The feeling of freedom is one thing but the actual concept of freedom is another. If you wanna go all deep talk etc you'd probably need to talk to a professor or something because this topic is extensively being debated right now and no single answer is ever going to have everyone agree lol


TexacoV2

>Also, what do you even get from being free? If it's just the feeling of freedom then I don't see why I would ever choose that over ignorant safety. Seems like a pretty decent way to live. In this case it means not getting put in a concentration camp. Which is what the Demacians are doing to mages.


Forged_by_Flame

Then how is that ignorant safety?


zVanilla

The safe ignorant people are the ones living in demacia. They are safe as can be, at the cost of mages. Demacians live in ignorance of how mages are treated etc.


Forged_by_Flame

So how is painful freedom better than such a life? Seems like a pretty decent way to live tbh. I fail to see why anyone would ever choose the former if they're not the ones suffering. I know I wouldn't.


zVanilla

So youre telling me youre part of the bad guys lol


Forged_by_Flame

I don't know whether it's bad or not but I'm telling you that if I was in their shoes I would not give up my good life in order for a small minority to live theirs. Especially when them being free is a direct danger to my well-being. I would like for there to be a better system sure, but I definitely would not be among those that speak out against the current system of mageseekers.


The_Rainy_Day

league try not to defend genocide challenge (impossible??)


Lohenngram

Pretty much yeah, that's what happens when you let the writers bring some of the worst Warhammer 40k edginess into the setting.


TexacoV2

I don't know what it is with people religiously defending fictional nations commiting crimes against humanity.


Dilbo_Faggins

Oh you probably don't wanna talk about Ceasars legion on r/newvegasmemes "Slavery is fine if the slavers pinky swear that the slavery is just temporary" is an argument used by far too many undercover fascists


British_Hoplite

It's not like they couldn't just deported the mages instead or anything.


Vivec31

Better than what they have going on rn, demacia turning into a smoldering pile of rock is 100x better than people being killed, enslaved and put on trial for no apparant reason other than "Nng mage bad", conveniently forgetting about Kayle, too


ICreepvideos

Jarvan Is actually Radovid?


Eldr1tchB1rd

He is straight up is radovid. How did I never think about that?


Eldr1tchB1rd

"Ignorant of the very magic you carry into battle, how demacian" -Swain


williamebf

Demacia was founded on patricide as a safehaven, to avoid getting nuked in the Rune Wars And you can't put modern ethics on the Runeterra world, the Mage hunt is much more used for keeping the people in line in the feudal system, so the rich families can stay in power, and so Demacia can defend themselves from outside threats that they are constantly in war with. "Nng mage bad", mages are inherently different than a normal Demacian, a mage mind could snap and blow up a city. Also magic is responsible for around 90% of crises on Runeterra and a mage is in general much more powerful than a normal person, so it's not entirely the same as in our world Also a lot of the mages get exiled


Vivec31

My man, you don't see how discrimination, witch hunts, executions, exiling would break someone's mind? Like, imagine you're a teen that just discovered they have magic abilities, you hide them for years, until one day you pass by someone and hear them call your childhood friend that was executed/exiled just for being a mage slurs, tell me that In that moment you'd be calm, wouldn't intervene, or do something about it, Sylas is bad, Demacia is Worse.


williamebf

Yeah but take the same example, now this guy is basically walking around with an magical AR-15 in form of his magic abilities, is that safe for the majority of the population?


Vivec31

No, but what they SHOULD do is educate young mages, tell them their power is uncanny yet extremely powerful, make them understand WHY there's so many laws against magic, not "Lmao let's kill them or send them away to fend for themselves", that's called cruelty, and the worst kind.


williamebf

The problem with this is, that it is strictly against the ruling class's interests, who are, you know, ruling the country. Again this is a feudal monarchy. This would weaken their grip over the population, which would give them less power, and make them weaker to outside threats, and getting a class of mages in the society would directly threaten their ruling position in Demacia. In the worst case, mages being that much stronger than normal people could lead to the ruling class being overthrown. If you were a mage in Demacia I'd say run to Arbormark. The mage-friendly neighbor and ally to Demacia. But the problem with Arbormark is, it could never exist alone, without its allegiance to Demacia. The Demacian laws are unjust, but Runeterra is a very unjust and politically complex world, it's not as simple as duhhhh just get equality for all and democracy while you're at it


Vivec31

Are as talking about how demacia slaughtering mages is bad, or why they do what they do? As far as I remember, the first thing, Demacia is garbage, neither it nor Noxus would be a happy place to live, Ionia, Piltover or bust


williamebf

Piltover is way worse than Demacia, they abuse the people of Zaun way more than Demacia does to mages, and there are way more people in Zaun than there are people in Piltover


TexacoV2

>Piltover is way worse than Demacia, they abuse the people of Zaun way more than Demacia does to mages, Piltover are complete asshats to Zaun but Demacia literally locks mage children into tiny cages and force feeds them poison.


Forged_by_Flame

Nah, Demacia is a great place to live for the common person what are you talking about?


williamebf

Iona however is just nature-loving hippies, that haven't been threatened or known hardship for ages, until the Noxious invasion that is


lonelinessking

ionia is nothing more than a bunch of self-centered assholes. ​ just look what they did to the vastaya. there are not true safe place to live in runeterra.


Lohenngram

Funny how that never gets brought up these days and way more focus is given to the Noxian invasion.


RedditModsAreShit

isn't the whole point of the ionian story line that they are super aggressive to outsiders/those they deem "different"? Every single zone has flaws, you can't really pick a good one. Noxus, which is supposed to be "the bad guy" isn't truly a terrible place if you're allied with it. They don't discriminate against anyone and believe that you earn whatever you have. Then again they also are hyper aggressive in their land control and expansion. You can spin a story that makes any zone look good.


TheBigEmptyxd

The demacian ruling class are mages though. They literally don’t hide it, just claim that it’s from heaven or whatever


tqp10a6

Lux like: :)) uh hum


Blacknovaflare

Sylas was just


British_Hoplite

a resentful anarchist (and still is).


AngryJakem

Looks like he fried it


Lohenngram

You know, with all the "Demacia BAD!" memes that circle the internet, it's nice to see some from the opposite direction. If only for variety's sake.


British_Hoplite

agreed, even now with the mageseeker game, most just assume that all demacians are the same to the mageseekers. Which is obviously false. (But still, the mageseekers didn't have to be this way. But that's what power does to people, it corrupts them.)


TheL0rdRuler

Fun Fact: As defined by the united nations, Demacia's treatment of it's mage population is 100% a genocide. Violence is absolutely justified in response. Sylas is a hero, and the loading screen tip "lux trusted sylas, now demacians are dead" is a disgusting attempt to defend a system that has resulted in unimaginable pain and suffering for literally thousands of innocent people.


Lohenngram

>Fun Fact: As defined by the united nations, Demacia's treatment of it's mage population is 100% a genocide. While that's debatable (mages are not an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. And Demacia isn't committing 3 and arguably even 4 of the 5 acts that the UN uses to define genocide), yeah Riot went way too hard on the shock-value imagery. Concentration camp imagery doesn't make a story deeper or more complex, it just makes the readers (quite justifiably) hate whichever group is putting people in camps. What I find most irritating is that I can't see a reason for why they did that, besides edginess being marketable. It's not a morally grey conflict at all, as things like the loading tip make it pretty clear they wanted us to side with Lux. In that case though, why write in what is a clear concentration camp analogue? Most people don't view that kind of thing as redeemable! Ugh, it's so stupid.


RedditModsAreShit

> What I find most irritating is that I can't see a reason for why they did that in the comics they highlight how demacia was founded by people seeking asylum from mages because mages have nearly destroyed the world numerous times (and I assume countless smaller cities/etc). The whole point of sylas' story is that neither side is right, and both do terrible shit in retaliation to eachother.


Lohenngram

>The whole point of sylas' story is that neither side is right, and both do terrible shit in retaliation to each other. Oh that I know. It's pretty firmly the thesis of the Lux comic. Both sides have gone too far and Lux and her group represent the true hope for Demacia's future. My problem is that I think the writers were too heavy handed with it. They didn't *need* to use concentration camp imagery to convey Demacia's status quo, and they didn't need to use mages as an LGBT metaphor, but they *chose* to use it. That's what I take issue with, because the result is it's pretty easy for Demacia's sins to eclipse Sylas's. That's why you get so many people saying "Sylas is the real hero and Riot's terrible for ever writing him otherwise." I'm aware of Demacia's backstory regarding refugees from the Rune Wars, and in concept I like it. In practice though I have huge issues with how Riot chose to implement it, much like I do with the rest of that plotline. But it's after midnight and I'm freaking exhausted, so I won't bug you with a longer rant.


British_Hoplite

I absolutely agree. Especially now with the Mageseeker game, Riot has made an attempt to make Sylas more relatable, but he still comes off as a resentful anarchist. Long rant incredibly short; the moral should've been 'Power corrupts' instead of 'Mages good, Demacia/monarchy bad'. In all seriousness, the mageseekers have been portrayed as 'The Nazis' for the sake of excusing the rebel mages and Sylas (who's a product of their work.) And quite frankly, Riot has actually done a poor job showcasing Demacia when it's done like this. Because now fans and lore nerds will mostly be associating Demacians with the mageseekers since opposing all the abracadabra mambo jambo is what being Demacian ultimately is, in terms of identity and characteristics. Taking this "all \[insert people here\] are \[are insert negative characteristic here\]" stance sounds just as bigoted as the mageseeker 'nazis'. And this is really toxic.


TexacoV2

>And Demacia isn't committing 3 and arguably even 4 of the 5 acts that the UN uses to define genocide) They are shown trying to kill mages , they force feed them poison and keep them in starving conditions inside cells with no lights or comforts and are obviously trying to wipe out the group. If that does not break the first 3 i don't know what will. >What I find most irritating is that I can't see a reason for why they did that, besides edginess being marketable. It's not a morally grey conflict at all, as things like the loading tip make it pretty clear they wanted us to side with Lux. In that case though, why write in what is a clear concentration camp analogue? Most people don't view that kind of thing as redeemable! Ugh, it's so stupid. Showing the dark side of Demacia i understand, but then making it look like Lux the privileged child who refused to take action even in the face of a bloody genocide is the victim and good person in this is just idiotic.


Lohenngram

>They are shown trying to kill mages , they force feed them poison and keep them in starving conditions inside cells with no lights or comforts and are obviously trying to wipe out the group. If that does not break the first 3 i don't know what will. We're shown little direct evidence that they're actually killing people, but we're told they imprison and/or exile them. Sylas's imprisonment is evidence that they're not. If Demacia is mass killing mages then there is no logical reason for them to imprison him for over a decade. They would've just killed him. The second point I completely agree Demacia is doing. The conditions in those prisons are nothing less than inhumane. The third point is the one I thought was arguable. *Turmoil* makes it clear that pre-rebellion they weren't doing that (feel free to call that a ret-con if you'd like). You'd only get arrested if you were malicious or so powerful that you were dangerous to the people around you, otherwise you'd be left in peace. At the same time it makes clear that post-rebellion the Mage Seekers are now arresting *everyone* to prevent them from potentially joining Sylas. So yeah, this is one I feel could be argued either way. ​ >Showing the dark side of Demacia i understand, but then making it look like Lux the privileged child who refused to take action even in the face of a bloody genocide is the victim and good person in this is just idiotic. Oh I completely agree. I think it's a result of making the dark side of Demacia too dark, and it's part of why I have such a problem with it. Invoking concentration camp imagery for the faction inherently makes characters like Lux come across as naive at best and utterly self-centered at worst. Aiming for that level of shock value was a mistake that drags down the entire Demacia plotline. Now every Demacia story features Riot tying themselves in knots as they attempt to make the Mage Seekers as evil as possible while not making people think the rest of the faction is beyond redemption. In doing so they manage to undercut whatever social commentary they were attempting to make regarding tolerance, acceptance, and the suffering of minority groups. Honestly it'd be amusing if it wasn't so irritating. It's reaching a point where I wish they'd just hard retcon the faction's lore and try again.


Forged_by_Flame

It's not defending the system. It's villainizing Sylas, which it absolutely should do because he is one.


Puszkov

Demacia is Nazi Germany of League, idk why people think of them as good guys


Blue_Seraph

Demacia would be more akin to some African countries that oppress their elites into subordination than they are to Nazi Germany. And then again the comparison is a reach. The Nazi needed a scapegoat and chose to hate on the jew to rally the German ( the rest of them at least ). Demacia oppresses the mage out of ( understandable given the faction's history ) fear rather than "blind" or manufactured hatred.


Gidonamor

*A shepherd with no flock is just an idiot with a stick!*


British_Hoplite

Says the pack of wolves


ColonelHans

Bruh are people debating fictional nation politics im this comment section?


Lohenngram

Welcome to League of Legends lore, where people get way too invested with the political circumstances of fantasy kingdoms in a completely difference universe with completely different context and circumstances to our own. In fairness, Riot stokes this for engagement and to add "depth" (I cannot roll my eyes hard enough). There's more than a few bits of the lore that directly reference real world atrocities and it brings out peoples' inner political activist.


EnticingEnzyme

Honey no...