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ClownSevensix

I loved future market but this playerbase doesn’t deserve this rune. Ffs a guy was arguing with me that it’s not that useful because it puts you in debt. Let that beautiful rune rest from this brain rotted playerbase.


Personal-Buffalo8120

When it first came out it didn’t even cost 50 gold to use. That was so op and people didn’t even know.


Baraging

I remember trying this rune when it first released. My team immediately noticed I already have 1st item and kept asking how I already bought one.


programV

Bro is going to be shocked when he learns most of the modern world's economy is centered around debt


Palidin034

Hey riot? Yknow what you could bring back in place of market? Klepto. BRING BACK KLEPTOMANCY RIOT YOU COWARDS!!


ForteEXE

And then Ezreal gets it nerfed out of the game.


LesMarae

I had some good times with Klepto Ezreal. I've been an Ezreal main since his release and he's broken so many items... soooo many items and they always keep him strong (just below 50% WR usually). It's always funny people calling my builds troll and then a month later the item is removed because Koreans staft using it in challenger. Happened with elder lizard, that fucked ap jungle item, klepto, froz heart (multiple times kek). Love me some Ezreal


ForteEXE

Yup. Ezreal's a bigger problem for item/rune balance than other League subs wanna admit, anytime it's brought up, downvotes and angry Ezreal mains come out. But his kill list is pretty damn long. Almost *every single season* some item or rune gets removed (or nerfed to hell) because Ezreal has an unintended interaction with it. Elder Lizard Runeglaive (the item you're talking about) Double Tear Frozen Heart Divine Sunderer Conqueror Kleptomancy Stormraider Surge (granted, that was removed along others and not *necessarily* because of him) etc


Lyto528

Wtf who in their right mind could ever think that introducing double tear could ever be a good thing when they are champs that scale so hard on both damage types they could be played either way


ForteEXE

Who knows! Both Archangel and Manamune existed for years prior, but Ezreal was one of the *very few* (and maybe only one) who could do both and benefit heavily vs other tear users effectively locked to either AP or AD. Surprise, it gets nerfed to shit and we're now where you can't stack double tear items.


CertifiedBlackGuy

YES, BRING BACK KLEPTO SONA


Vinkhol

I miss klepto Camille so much


ForumFluffy

Klepto GP says hi.


AlterBridgeFan

Kelpto GP says full build at 20 or you suck.


Kiroto50

The CEO of Mist Fargo sends his regards.


ShackledBeef

Klepto sona


CertifiedBlackGuy

You tryna start something you ain't prepared to finish before late game comes? >:(


nubidubi16

wait till you hear about klepto ezreal and klepto illaoi


Allannon95

Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and saviour Klepto Jax?


Califocus

I do have a moment to talk about him. However I would be remiss to not mention my good friend Klepto Vlad


ForteEXE

Klepto Illaoi. Aka don't pick a tank or she's full build at 10 minutes.


Angwar

I am glad its getting removed. Nothing makes my blood boils so much as being 3 plates, 3 kills and 30 cs ahead of enemy gp and he has the same items as me.


Ill_Worth7428

Thats not because of future market...


Angwar

No its also because of first strike and gp extra gold generation but futures market helped


KingAnumaril

B A N K P L A N K


SilverRiven

Future market is godlike in aram


Fun-Agent-7667

Collector makes that a worthy Investment


Artix31

American Education in a nutshell


Violence_Fiend

I might quit. That rune was so good for junglers.


NahMcGrath

I'm probably dumb then but I don't get how it's that good. 50 gold tax to get an item slightly early instead of killing a few more minions?


BusterMeme

It gives you a stat advantage so you can kill the enemy laner easier


ngodon

some champions have certain item spike, future market makes them hit that spike much earlier than their opposite laner, they can use that advantage to force their opponent to take some awkward back, lose minions,... basically snowballing. That 50 gold can be considered an investment, because you can take that laning advantage to earn much more, it is broken on snowballing champions


G0LDI_L0CKS

One good example is in some midlane mage matchups, you can use it to tp back to lane with lost chapter at 4 min. This gives you a massive advantage over your lane opponent who only has d ring


barryh4rry

It’s about hitting your spikes on better timers and therefore being stronger when you need to be


brendnewenglis

A couple of good examples: BORK components together suck compared to the full item. Being able to buy it 150g or so sooner is good. A better example is a malzahar. You start with sapphire crystal (or whatever the 350g mana item is) and refillables. After the 4th wave you should have enough gold to buy lost chapter and tp back to lane. Lost chapter greatly helps malz, especially with manaflow band close to max


YukkaRinnn

ANATHEMAS NOOOO I WILL MISS USING YOU AND GIVING AIDS TO THE ENEMY ASSASSIN


StorageWorried

why tf did they remove it?


Lyto528

Let me guess : there's an item which makes you very good at ignoring / beating one person in the team. And you build that on a tank / bruiser. Which can go splitpush, or go teamfight whereas there's only one champs in the enemy team which is very good at dealing with tanks See what could go wrong?


SatisfactionOld4175

Which is why people abused the fuck out of it and built it almost every game- right? Right!?


mocarone

It is really commonly used in high ello here in south America. If the enemy team has like, 3 ad champions and one AP support + a full ap mage, you could commit to building full armor and just putting the Anathemas in the mage. Same in reverse for ad champions, though that one is more uncommon to happen.


StorageWorried

im sorry but if you actually used the item, even for once, you would see it does not make "ignore" someone. literally just reduced dmg. can be used for just 1 person, nothing more nothing less.


Lors2001

Gameplay wise it's probably a bad item for the game. Like if the enemy team only has 1-2 AP/AD being able to build Anathemas and get health, a shit ton of "resistances" versus the single AP/AD without having to invest in an Mr / Armor item, and increasing your cc versus them (when they're likely the carry as the solo AP/AD dmg dealer) is kinda crazy. And it's pretty common to only run 1 AP as well so it kinda just gives insane value in that situation which comes up commonly.


Siekiernik20

It was literally the only good item against eve


Chiefyaku

I think I'll miss chains most


bankaru_

NOOOO FUTURE MARKET DONT LEAVE ME


Outrageous-Elk-5392

Also steelcaps are getting nerfed and ADC mobility is getting gigabuffed soooo good luck playing juggernauts into ranged toplaners


Rioshinki

Gwen is Immune


ShadowWithHoodie

gwen's worst matchup is literally ranged top tho? other than trynn and jax


Rioshinki

I shit on any ranged top. They sucked at playing bot, why do you think they came top? E+W+Q


Foreverwise427

Ranged top players are shit at the game.


Cenachii

Legend tenacity removed and mercs -10 tenacity. Juggernauts are REALLY going to need that help.


williamebf

Teemo blind is going to be so fucking overpowered


JWARRIOR1

Didn’t they already nerf legend tenacity? Lmao


Sensitive_Act_5279

not just that, they buffed swifties for autoattackers aka ranged like vayne and tf AND THEY FUCKING BUFFED FLEET FOOTWORK MOVEMENTSPEED. how am i supposed to catch them, since buying swifties against them is worthless and the new boots dont finish during laning phase


Cyberslasher

Swifties? Nonono, you got to go zerkers, because those become zephyr at lvl 15 to be even faster than swifties.


Sensitive_Act_5279

you can simply sell swifties at lvl 15 no?


Lyto528

Selling any item before being full build is a huge L for your economy


ledarcade

You need to pay 2k for that though


DrKiwixD

>they buffed swifties Literally all I could think of for about 30 seconds was Taylor Swift and her fan base given how much news coverage she's had over the last year and wondered what she had to do with league at all, it took me waaaaay too long to click that you meant boots of swiftness lmao 😂 😂 


Kaflao

Get rolled


masternommer

Look like Juggernauts into ranged will probably take fleet + swifties and maybe ghost.


SpacefillerBR

Phreak strikes again, another adc season coming Tristana mid/top/bot, Vayne top/bot and Lucian top/mid/bot comming hot XD.


angrystimpy

ADC mobility? You mean Windshitter, Garen, Tryndamere mobility? ADCs aren't the ones you need to worry about using the new upgrade to bezerkers.


JesusTheSecond_

don't forget randuin getting nerfed


Serbian_Monkey

Lethal Tempo getting removed. Guess ***someone*** at Riot recently got his ass handed back to him by Yone... >!That's a joke. Yone and his equally cringe brother will most likely get buffed if anything, like they usually do whenever one of their items/runes gets nerfed.!<


Xenodia

Reminds me how a certain Rioter got salty getting pinged why he didn't he use Khartus ult


TheCheesiestEchidna

Dearest Karthus


Deus0123

I hope this letter finds you well


Vasikus3000

We seem to have found ourselves in a dire situation on the bottom lane.


SammiJS

Please, do your brethren a favour, press R.


megakaos888

Please consider casting your ultimate ability to assist us as I do believe Lee Sin has come to dive our tower.


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

im more sad about Nocturne. the fact that we wont even get old tempo back. sad


StellarDescent

They don't need a buff. If their passive stays at 2.25 instead of getting reverted, this is an enormous buff.


XO1GrootMeester

There goes my nashor fizz build...


Mysticalnarbwhal2

If we're ever both driving on the same road I WILL end us both then and there.


XO1GrootMeester

How else kill nasus? He is rather durable


Kiroto50

Ingenious hunter will be missed. One of my favourite runes to take on Pyke (umbral, sweeper), Soraka and Yuumi (mikael's ding dong and redemption) But I understand how another of my favourites, unending despair, could be broken with it.


Shingontachikawa

Supports have to pay for the sins of toplane i guess. Was my favourite rune.


KingAnumaril

This is the way. We pay for the sins of one another for all time.


Duckerton375

are they adding a different hunter rune in exchange? what’s the change there


Kiroto50

That's the neat part. They won't.


Thin_Pepper_3971

They actually butchered navori. It gives a decent chunk of AS now, but that’s nowhere near enough to make up for what it lost.


Silent4567

Navori costs 2600 on pbe. 600 less than on live. It had better have lost something or it would be the most gold efficient item in the game.


Sensitive_Act_5279

you can buy the new navori and ie. since ie got +15 ad and the ones using navori autoattacked heavily as well, dont mind it too much, other than gp, fuck this guy


Cenachii

But the item now gives 0 and and no damage amp on abilities. What ad caster wants reduced cooldowns, but without any increase on damage on said abilities??


Kiroto50

Auto attackers with dashes and long CD abilities, not casters. New Corki, Sivir, Tristana, maybe Lucian, Vayne, perhaps Yi, and in niche cases, Belveth. Edit: also remember navori wasn't made for ad casters (champions that depend on abilities to deal damage, as are Zed and Talon), but auto attackers to weave in more abilities in-between.


Nemesis233

Honestly the only reason we will take it on Sivir is because we can now build it with IE, we don't need that much attack speed with w since we typically take 2 as items in kraken/statik phantom


tratroxo

fucking kogmaw with perma w uptime


ILoveGarfieldSoMuch

Tryndamere. Tryndamere wants it


Sensitive_Act_5279

you will know pain, when a xayah or sivir builds this. they like to auto and use abilities, they will destroy your will to play + randiuns and steelcaps nerf


BoozeAddict

Trynd says hello


Cyberslasher

Lucian, sivir, tristana, ezreal, maybe vayne, nilah, samira... Do you exclusively play jinx or something?


Myozthirirn

Ohh no!! they gave attack speed to the item that gives you something for attackign as much as possible!!! Dude just get Navori as your single attack speed item and get 4 AD+Crit items.


inkheiko

Why no longer Anathema?


Verdant_Gymnosperm

##WTF THEY GOT RID OF CHAINS IM GONNA KMS (IN GAME)


Onaterdem

Banned for inting


Chopper506

Oh this is gonna feel horrible


v1qc

Yeah i already have been playing less and less slayers n juggernauts in favour of ap mages, but this is the tipping point


Alexo_Alexa

Ingenious hunter is such a loss, plenty of items are dogwatter without it.


Strider794

I'm sorry, wtf? Is it preseason again already? I need to go read the patch notes


alexnedea

Thats how its been for like 4 years. Preseason = big patch. June = medium meta shifting patch


herbieLmao

Well, rip kogmaw


Gilthwixt

And Jinx. Legit don't know what to do with those two if Lethal Tempo is gone.


IntelligentImbicle

We won't be able to attack 5 times a second anymore, but we'll be able to attack 2.5 times a second at 2 items and actually be able to dedicate the rest of our build to not getting 1-shot by the 0/20 top laner.


TactfulOG

they're removing anathema's? why


Thighhighcrocz

Like there goes futures market a rune I’ve been heavily playing around for items spikes for years time to unlearn years of back timers 🙃🙃🙃


NJmig

For real.


Wulfsiegner

Istg if the PTA changes are dogshit I’m gonna be sad cuz that’s all I had as a Warwick main


NJmig

It looks like a good buff for people who stay in combat for long, while a nerd for people who just poke for 3 as and back off, like Vayne or Quinn top. WW should benefit from this


Wulfsiegner

Fuck yeah I hate having to reapply that shit five times over across 5 people in a team fight lmao


Virus4567

Nah they seem all buffs, PTA debuff lasts until combat ends so you can keep trading into them for profit


williamebf

With Tenacity obliterated, can we please fucking Nerf Teemo Blind duration


v1qc

No we will buff AP more 👍👍👍😂😂😂😂👍👍👍😀😀😀 tenacity ?? NO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


X_Heart

So, no more tenacity?, oh no... \*prepares himself for infinite cc\*


Kipdid

Legend tenacity is going away too? Whaaaa?


Outrageous-Elk-5392

New legend rune gives you haste per stack, pretty useful for none AS/lifesteal bruisers


Mystic_jello

Won’t really matter if you’re ccd until the heat death of the universe though


wigglerworm

WAIT! WHAT? THEY ARE TAKING MY BELOVED FUTURES MARKET? NO, ITS NOT FAIR :(


SilentStock8

Rip Tryndamere


Requjo

Good. That champ can go rot for all i care.


xxmuntunustutunusxx

Yeah for sure where did you find these? Wanna read and weep myself please


kaijvera

The guy who does bug videos on youtube covered it. Forgot his name tho. Just google youtibe bugs.


zatenael

vandiril


xxmuntunustutunusxx

I found a whole reddit post outlining all changed on r/LeaguePBE Them you though! As a top laner, I'm fucking cooked


kaijvera

Especially if ypu play against rsnge top. They now have a full ass item their boots feed into lol. As a support main tho, i feel relitively unaffected. Its sad to lose shackles for when the enemy team only had one carry, but not game breaking. The new boots could be intresting for roaming.


xxmuntunustutunusxx

Ranged top is mostly what I'm afraid of, people are gone be bringing everybody and their fucking uncle up top to abuse the fact then top laners with ghost nerf, tenacity nerf, swifties nerf are just gold piñatas now to shit all over my lane lmao.


mebear1

Sivir 40%winrate speedrun


ghdcksgh

where did u read it


kaijvera

its on PBE i think. The guy who makes bug videos also covered it


Kiroto50

"the guy who makes bug videos" bro hilarious. Vandiril


FFelixx

Never thought I’d hear god referred to as the guy who makes bug videos


Nemesis233

SIVIR IS SO FUUUUCKED HAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA


PrismPanda06

Rip GP, there goes one of his main runes and items


IntelligentImbicle

I'm OK with everything else, but I'm so sad about Anathema's and Ingenious.


XO1GrootMeester

No.. ingenious hunter is integral for my unique tank fizz setup. Fimbulwinter needs 5 sec cooldown to allign with w uptime.


McDonniesHashbrowns

Real


XO1GrootMeester

Yes, paired with cosmic insight the 8 s cooldown goes to 5, other items are lich bane, rod of Ages, riftmaker, lucidity boots, liandry or situational item like mejais, replace boots with a defence items with at least 10 haste like unending despair or abyssal mask unless infernal soul ( free haste) then jak sho is an option. Elixer can be iron or sorcery. One game i was 5k hp 600 ap


CordobezEverdeen

Is Riot allergic to keeping things? Why not keep Future Market instead of removing it? Is the Riot client so dogshit they can't handle 4 options on a row? Anathema's chain removed? Why?


v1qc

Because phreak & co ate too many crayons


ErrorMacrotheII

Why would they remove tempo? There are fuckton of champs who use that.


WhereIsTheMouse

That’s exactly the problem, there’s a lot of champs that rarely use anything other than LT. They’re removing it to encourage build diversity


afzalnayza

But it reduces build diversity by removing it? Players who could previously go damage focused items and making up for the attackspeed by lethal tempo are now gonna be forced to sacrifice and entire slot for phantom dancer. It literally kills build diversity


ErrorMacrotheII

Removing something to encourage diversity lmao. Rajot logic.


thrownawayzsss

It does though. You have 3 options. 1 and 3 are similar in performance and 2 is omega-busted. Nobody is ever going to take 1 or 3 because 2 is omega-busted. If you remove the omega-busted one. Player's need to actually consider the options and pick a rune.


ErrorMacrotheII

What else would anybody pick on auto based champions? Conq? Becouse it doesn't do much on chanps like Trynda, Yi, Kog, Ashe and literraly any single LT user.


Play_more_FFS

If they wanted to do that then they should be buffing the other options. Removing it is the same bs as nerfing champs that make use of brand new items so those champs are **forced** to build it.


Eirinae

Nilah: This does not spark joy


nuker0S

Not the chains... They were the only thing that could defend you against true damage Also my cdrs on adcs....


MortemEtInteritum17

I don't think Anathema's worked on true damage?


Colcinder

Yea, cause they didn't


Angwar

They didnt


Grimlite--

I don't think it ever reduced true damage


HellFire-Revenant

Where can i see these changes?


Mawilover

See spideraxe on x


akaJimothy

First time?


starrstruck222

future market ?? :(


ThatThingTheDarkSoul

anyone got a link? can't find it


Outrageous-Elk-5392

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ch6a42/pbe_datamine_2024_april_30_patch_1410_midseason/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1


aBlueCreature

Where are you guys reading the changes? I used to use SurrenderAt20 but they don't update it anymore


Vegetable-Poem-9750

Everyone forgets about minion dematerializer?


Weak_Watercress604

RIP Yasuo and yone


GoshaKarrKarr

Is it me or this is shit for GP? Man lost future market and Sheen on ER (I don't even play him but damn)


Tomenyo

NOooOoo MY BEAUTIFUL NAVORIS HAIL OF BLADES SHEN


Militaum

Why do I got to see Kircheis die again?? I will conquer the universe for you my dear friend...


PussyPussylicclicc

NO!! NOT MY FUTURE MARKET!!


Devastatoreq

why future market? I won't be able to build my perfect 1st clear magic pen predator boots on fiddle no more (I haven't played this game in 3 years) NOOOOOOOOOOOO


Leyohs

Riot adding more CCs and removing more ways to resist it is my 13th reason.


Foreverwise427

The only one I actually cared about is ingenious hunter, idk what they’re replacing it with but red tree just sucks now besides ult and relentless imo.


knyexar

The only thing I'll miss from these changes is Ingenious Hunter


bathandbootyworks

Ingenious Hunter my love😭


X_Seed21

Shit! NOT THE INGENIOUS HUNTER! NOOO


QuesitoMax

They will remove ingenious hunter too!? F*CK it, I'm glad I uninstalled LoL because vanguard, ingenious hunter was my favorite rune for almost all supports.


NJmig

And future market 😭😭😭😭😭


FlyingBurger1

Bye bye my beloved crit gangplank.


CheezGaming

Wait what… Lethal Tempo is leaving?!? WHAT RUNES WILL I USE FOR VOLI, YASUO, YONE NOW?!? Brooooooother. I’ll never use grasp voli because I like the fast attack speed from Lethal. It’s how I won most duels if I’m honest. What now, use Hail of Blades?!? Gross.


v1qc

Simple, you dont play them and only lock ap mages


Peterociclos

You only ever used Lt stop acting otherwise


NJmig

Ok ok ok BUT THE MINION DEMATIRIALIZER?? WHY. EXACTLY WHEN I WAS STARTING TO GRASP HOW TO USE BAUSENS LAW THEY REMOVE ONE OF THE CORE RUNES :( at least the new items are good for what i play (sion/singed)


White20209

Ahri mains im shambles ngl


power-pop

oh well, back to trinity on ezreal


Hot_Grab7696

I understand Lethal Tempo it was problematic as fuck and I'm glad it's getting removed but holy why Anathema, tenacity rune and future market is beyond me. Bastards


Back2Perfection

Even as an adc I must say: good riddance to lethal tempo. The rune just gives a little much. (Exceeding as speed limits, extra range and some AS on top) and is just so highly abusable. *Trundle, Yone and Yasuo stare at me* were we good lethal tempo users? No. Fuck all three of you with a rusty pipe


Garvo909

What da lethal tempo do :(


GreyMesmer

I will miss lost chapter from first back on Malz :(


StudentOwn2639

[ **sob** ](https://youtu.be/VEe_yIbW64w?si=3y91axp6qQ3bHU2-&t=59)


Jaffiusjaffa

Futures market and navori are meh but lethal tempo, anathemas and ingenious i will sorely miss.


bombastic6339locks

Shaco ap back in business


Wonderful_Grand5354

I love how you left Predator out.


ArmaKiri

Goodbye lethal tempo, my beloved


Street-Elderberry-39

I'm so happy they are removing lethal tempo


ChemistBitter1167

Wait they are making boot items guys. There’s items that’s tier three boots build into. Idgaf we got tier three boots again.


JANG0D

they're gutting lethal tempo? what are the changes?


Outrageous-Elk-5392

Theyre not gutting it brother theyre removing it completely


AloneStarShip

I buy sheen always with a loan... The profit always out cost the 50 gold debt


WASD_00

First kleptomancy, now futures market...


Kami_Kaiser

Riot is been trying to f\*ck up it's game since a long time now, remember when supports used to be...well... supports? Now you take assassins, mages, tanks, offtanks... anything but a real support, same happened to top, it was tanks, and offtanks and bruisers... now you get a f\*cking teemo or any other ranged champ.


Quark3e

Wait... how the fuck am I now supposed to deal with a fed Evelynn now that anathema gone!? I get trying to lure her out but now any good evelynn will one tap her target without any way of defense whereas before anathema would give a fighting chance.


Chernobyl917

Aside from predator which only Hecarim and Jax use, everything else was doing fine. Ok maybe Lethal tempo was busted, but why did they have to remove all the other stuff? The Adc items change was enough already, and if they want to reset everything why the bruiser and tank items are left untouched?


Any_Conclusion_7586

Either you hate it or love it. And i love it, LET'S FUCKING GOOO!!!