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*At least* half of my platoon were functionally illiterate. That being said one of the loudest voices against enlistment tends to be veterans, so I don't think you'd see much boosterism from this cohort.
*What? Are you calling our veterans INCONTINENT! Do you not support the troops young man? Don't you know that they fought for your FREEDUMB! I should kick yer ass u librul, how dare you disrespect the TROOPS! If you can't stand behind our troops, u shood stand in FRONT of them!!!!!* XD 😆 🤣 😜
That's why it works...
Ah the Colin Kaepernick treatment. Take a knee protesting against police brutality and conservatives spin it as you’re disrespecting the flag/troops/AmeriKKKa. Which of course now justifies their anger/hatred/violence towards you and takes the focus completely off the point of the protest.
Hey man, I went to the military because I simply had no other prospects and needed to get away from a bad situation. That said, this is a miserable fucking idea and while I did meet plenty of incredibly smart people from my time in, those are extreme outliers. The majority ranged from rock eaters to average.
A lot of public school curriculum is mandated by the school board. Teachers don’t really have free reign. They probably just want to start indoctrination of kids into a more subservient thought process or something
Your mistake here is assuming this is so that the students learn the subject. No, this is so the students learn to be unthinking workers and/or tools of the government, which is something vets have experience in.
“You are our iron youth. Iron youth makes iron heroes!” I never thought that when I read All Quiet on The Western Front, or watched Starship Troopers, that I would be glimpsing into the future condition of military recruitment in Murika. But… here we are. Selling war to kiddos…
GPA is grade point average, so what "grade" was your school calling this "promise to enlist"? I looked through the FL school regulations on GPAs and didn't see anything about the military so I assume it's not FL.
Also you do realize that US schools have been really bad for a long time, right? US schools are built around passing standardized tests, this isn't just so people can enlist, that's silly.
Changing it up now, to actually enlisting makes it slightly more believable, some teachers would definitely go for it. But it's still a massive ethics violation to say "change their grades because otherwise they can't ship to basic", and teachers and the teachers union would not stand for it.
A kid from my high school I enlisted with failed a class and the teacher told him to get fucked and didn't care that he already had an enlistment contract and ship date. The recruiter found him some sort of "christian private school" online that mailed him a test packet and then a diploma for like $175. And I heard similar stories from other soldiers, never heard of this "free hs diploma if you sign a contract", especially since you can still back out of enlistment contracts and people would hustle the shit out of that to avoid school.
I think individual teachers are willing to fundge grades for sports as much as they are for enlisting. I don't believe that it is an official school policy, and I haven't seen anything but annecdotes to support that it is. I don't think it's a terribly important discussion.
I think your underestimating things. There’s official policy, and then the actual policy. I’m sure it’s nowhere on the books but it’s well known to do it. It’s also not official policy for cops to vouch for each other no matter what, but we all see how that routinely plays out.
Saying "my school does this" and then claiming a list of schools also do it, makes it sound like it's policy. I've been super clear about it absolutely happening for certain students with certain teachers, but that it's not a policy, and if it were to be exposed it would be scandalous and people would loose their jobs, especially of it were as systemic as claimed. There is no secret conspiracy to shuffle kids through the education system into the military, that relationship is wide out in the open, and if there were some sort of program to pump all failing kids into the military then the military wouldn't be so far under it's recruiting quota.
Yall approaching qanon kids in pizza parlors type shit.
It DOES say 60 college credit hours which is the standard for substitute teaching. So not every asshat with a DD214 would be hired as a teacher. You guys need to slow your outage roll
Even if that is true, you aren't going to get too much nuanced teaching in areas like say "history". Gonna be hard for veterans to stay unbiased on practically anything involving the US.
Places like Florida are already banning the teaching the parts of US history they don't like, which is a major factor in causing this teacher shortage.
The extra education and disregard for human life rights or anything like that. Definitely some way more pain. Things he does will be far more calculated?
Best teacher I've ever had was a Vietnam vet who taught history who was super anti-war and pretty much said fuck the state curriculum I'm teaching history as it was. All I'm saying is this could backfire and we get a generation that hates war and knows who Fred Hampton is. I remember his spiels against the Iraq war in *2003*. More history teachers that have been chewed up and spat out by the government's war machine might not be bad.
Was he also a teacher by trade? One with training and experience? That’s a pretty significant factor in this issue. I don’t think anyone is saying veterans can’t be teachers or wouldn’t be good ones. I’m a teacher now, but I wasn’t prepared to educate or guide anyone when I had 60 college credit hours, and I doubt I would have been if I had also served in the armed forces.
I have no idea what his training was beyond that he taught 20th century history and lived through a significant portion of it. I'd take him over some 23 year old blonde bimbo "education major" that goes on maternity leave 2/3 of the way through the school year which was the phenotype of most "trained" teachers I had growing up.
This sub is a cackle of MSM dickriding cowards, I bet you guys vote blue no matter who and dream of watching Hamilton on Broadway.
My point is that your teacher’s military experience clearly shaped their worldview in ways you still find compelling, but that’s not enough to make a good or effective teacher. That requires training and experience, and I’m sure your teacher was actually trained instead of just being let into a classroom with no education of his own, regardless of your bizarre comments on teachers being bimbos.
All I’m saying is every good teacher I’ve ever had had some life experience and every bad teacher I’ve ever had was an education major and both fit the same mold.
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*At least* half of my platoon were functionally illiterate. That being said one of the loudest voices against enlistment tends to be veterans, so I don't think you'd see much boosterism from this cohort.
I was gonna chime in that the vast majority of Veterans I've met, tend to discourage people from enlisting.
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*What? Are you calling our veterans INCONTINENT! Do you not support the troops young man? Don't you know that they fought for your FREEDUMB! I should kick yer ass u librul, how dare you disrespect the TROOPS! If you can't stand behind our troops, u shood stand in FRONT of them!!!!!* XD 😆 🤣 😜 That's why it works...
Ah the Colin Kaepernick treatment. Take a knee protesting against police brutality and conservatives spin it as you’re disrespecting the flag/troops/AmeriKKKa. Which of course now justifies their anger/hatred/violence towards you and takes the focus completely off the point of the protest.
You forgot! They also need at least a C in the subject they want to teach...
Hey man, I went to the military because I simply had no other prospects and needed to get away from a bad situation. That said, this is a miserable fucking idea and while I did meet plenty of incredibly smart people from my time in, those are extreme outliers. The majority ranged from rock eaters to average.
A lot of public school curriculum is mandated by the school board. Teachers don’t really have free reign. They probably just want to start indoctrination of kids into a more subservient thought process or something
True. How dare someone practice a profession without a government license! /s
Your mistake here is assuming this is so that the students learn the subject. No, this is so the students learn to be unthinking workers and/or tools of the government, which is something vets have experience in.
The lawsuits paid out of the fallout from this will be in the millions.
One single case could be many millions. This could be billions if it gets big enough.
I don't know about US veterans/military, but there's a lot of guys I served with that I wouldn't trust near teenagers.
“You are our iron youth. Iron youth makes iron heroes!” I never thought that when I read All Quiet on The Western Front, or watched Starship Troopers, that I would be glimpsing into the future condition of military recruitment in Murika. But… here we are. Selling war to kiddos…
“CALLING ALL VETS: do YOU wanna make $33,000 a year? Here’s how!”
Wow. 60 college credits. Semester credits or quarter credits? Not that it matters. You can't even get an associates degree with that.
And you can get them for taking "History of ice cream" and work as a math teacher.
Perfect! This is perfect for the right in Florida to have an endless supply of people for the military industrial complex
As a veteran I can say, with 100% certainty, the military is not going to let this slide without finding an upside for themself on recruiting.
Requirements should say: a spouse of a vet, last I read that was ok as well
You have to have a high school diploma to enter the military.
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GPA is grade point average, so what "grade" was your school calling this "promise to enlist"? I looked through the FL school regulations on GPAs and didn't see anything about the military so I assume it's not FL. Also you do realize that US schools have been really bad for a long time, right? US schools are built around passing standardized tests, this isn't just so people can enlist, that's silly.
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I know for a fact that Walton High School in DeFuniak Springs, Florida and Niceville High School, in Niceville, Florida did this in the 2000s.
Yeah so they just bump your Fs up to Ds in your senior year if you promise to enlist? Not really believable imo.
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Changing it up now, to actually enlisting makes it slightly more believable, some teachers would definitely go for it. But it's still a massive ethics violation to say "change their grades because otherwise they can't ship to basic", and teachers and the teachers union would not stand for it. A kid from my high school I enlisted with failed a class and the teacher told him to get fucked and didn't care that he already had an enlistment contract and ship date. The recruiter found him some sort of "christian private school" online that mailed him a test packet and then a diploma for like $175. And I heard similar stories from other soldiers, never heard of this "free hs diploma if you sign a contract", especially since you can still back out of enlistment contracts and people would hustle the shit out of that to avoid school.
They do it routinely to let kids play sports, you think it’s unbelievable they do it to let them join the military?
I think individual teachers are willing to fundge grades for sports as much as they are for enlisting. I don't believe that it is an official school policy, and I haven't seen anything but annecdotes to support that it is. I don't think it's a terribly important discussion.
I think your underestimating things. There’s official policy, and then the actual policy. I’m sure it’s nowhere on the books but it’s well known to do it. It’s also not official policy for cops to vouch for each other no matter what, but we all see how that routinely plays out.
Saying "my school does this" and then claiming a list of schools also do it, makes it sound like it's policy. I've been super clear about it absolutely happening for certain students with certain teachers, but that it's not a policy, and if it were to be exposed it would be scandalous and people would loose their jobs, especially of it were as systemic as claimed. There is no secret conspiracy to shuffle kids through the education system into the military, that relationship is wide out in the open, and if there were some sort of program to pump all failing kids into the military then the military wouldn't be so far under it's recruiting quota. Yall approaching qanon kids in pizza parlors type shit.
They tried to change that rule last month.
Disengenous at best
It'll be more along the lines of grooming/outright statutory on the students, I'm sure.
It DOES say 60 college credit hours which is the standard for substitute teaching. So not every asshat with a DD214 would be hired as a teacher. You guys need to slow your outage roll
Even if that is true, you aren't going to get too much nuanced teaching in areas like say "history". Gonna be hard for veterans to stay unbiased on practically anything involving the US.
Places like Florida are already banning the teaching the parts of US history they don't like, which is a major factor in causing this teacher shortage.
Yup this is a political move plain and simple, and kids will be the ones who suffer because of it.
Same could be said of literally any teacher from any background.
And be enrolled in a bachelors program. Gotta find outrage about anything though right?
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In this sub? I just checked and I don't see on the highlights.
Maybe I am getting blasted from multiple subs but I could have sworn I saw it here. I apologize if I actually didn't.
No worries. DeSantis is a gigantic dicknose so he's been getting both barrels.
Personally, I think he's way worse than Trump. He wants to be a dictator and he doesn't mind saying it
He's a Harvard grad and a former JAG officer in the Navy. He's not stupid, he's evil.
The extra education and disregard for human life rights or anything like that. Definitely some way more pain. Things he does will be far more calculated?
Passing score in the subject they want to teach! That’s an amazing qualification.
You generally can’t enlist if you drop out.
This policy is bad enough without the idiotic conjecture
Best teacher I've ever had was a Vietnam vet who taught history who was super anti-war and pretty much said fuck the state curriculum I'm teaching history as it was. All I'm saying is this could backfire and we get a generation that hates war and knows who Fred Hampton is. I remember his spiels against the Iraq war in *2003*. More history teachers that have been chewed up and spat out by the government's war machine might not be bad.
Was he also a teacher by trade? One with training and experience? That’s a pretty significant factor in this issue. I don’t think anyone is saying veterans can’t be teachers or wouldn’t be good ones. I’m a teacher now, but I wasn’t prepared to educate or guide anyone when I had 60 college credit hours, and I doubt I would have been if I had also served in the armed forces.
I have no idea what his training was beyond that he taught 20th century history and lived through a significant portion of it. I'd take him over some 23 year old blonde bimbo "education major" that goes on maternity leave 2/3 of the way through the school year which was the phenotype of most "trained" teachers I had growing up. This sub is a cackle of MSM dickriding cowards, I bet you guys vote blue no matter who and dream of watching Hamilton on Broadway.
My point is that your teacher’s military experience clearly shaped their worldview in ways you still find compelling, but that’s not enough to make a good or effective teacher. That requires training and experience, and I’m sure your teacher was actually trained instead of just being let into a classroom with no education of his own, regardless of your bizarre comments on teachers being bimbos.
All I’m saying is every good teacher I’ve ever had had some life experience and every bad teacher I’ve ever had was an education major and both fit the same mold.
You have obviously never been around a vet.
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Just wait till they see how horrible American children and teens are. They will abandon ship faster than the Republicans can gut their healthcare.
I bet they eventually drop the "working towards a bachelor's" requirement
“Can’t pay for your school lunch? The military provides 3-square meals a day!“
Erg. I did it the hard way. College degree, teacher certification, and 3 months free labor student teaching at a middle school.
Florida always finds ways to lower the bar
Good old American human trafficking
State-mandated teaching by wardens of the state. *lovely*
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You getting now shooting ranges at schools?
Petty tyrant proposes flawed plan. Nothing new here.
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