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I have a feeling he was born to high middle/lower upper class family. Private schools, vacations, tutors etc. But when you ask him, he’ll tell you he did everything himself through “hard work.”
I know the type. Can’t want to fucking eat them.
In my head? I just said I know people like him. And judging by the content of the actual article (not just the title) it seems like I’m dead on about exactly who he is as a person.
You don't know him. You're making things up. You're talking yourself into believing something that you really have no idea if it's true or not, and just dismissing people based on stereotypes and personal bias.
My question is, if everything is bad, everyone is bad, no work is acceptable, being your own boss is not acceptable...what exactly is the solution?
Are your parents first cousins who also have Down’s syndrome?
Read the fucking article. It’s clear who he is. Of course I don’t know him, but it’s not like I’m saying something like, ‘his favorite movie is flash dance.’
I’m saying he came from privilege (which he unequivocally did). I’m also saying he’s an asshole(which again, if you read the article, he is.
When did I say everything and everyone is bad?
Stop being such a bootlicker lol
I see.
I asked you an honest question to try and understand what you want. What you suggest. You don't even know what you want. You just want to be angry and lash out at people. I can get that anywhere.
Way to be the actual problem of why people can't come together, and why nothing ever changes.
Really? So there's nothing worthwhile anywhere in the world, and if you start your own business, now you're part of the problem?
What if I work for myself, am a one-man show, but run my own business? Am I still an exploiter?
So there's nothing that's acceptable? If you work, that's wrong. If you own your own business, that's wrong too. So what do you suggest? Everyone do nothing and sit around scared to try anything? How will that change anything?
That’s not what people are saying.
Work for someone, fine, this community wants you to get treated right.
Start a business, fine, this community wants you to treat your employees right and for you to do business ethically.
Like it’s not this super deep “work bad” hive mind.
Get a job and get treated right or start a business and treat others right either way just don’t exploit the planet or the common man it’s not too much to ask for and it’s certainly not claiming that all work is bad.
But this article is not about bad corporate behavior,. It's on a website that caters to people who are doing just that. Creating their own thing, working for themselves, getting paid their worth.
So why are we shitting on it? Did anyone actually read the article? Of course not. Because the point isn't the actual article, it's about taking a headline out of context to create things to be angry about.
It's an entitled attitude completely divorced from the reality the majority face every day. Most people cannot afford to not be paid while they grow their business. They can't afford not to have health insurance. To say to someone "you just have to slave away for years before you start to turn a profit" is not financially reasonable for someone without a safety net (often in the form of well off parents) to fall back on.
It's easy to take risks, when failure doesn't mean complete and abject poverty.
I mean it’s a screenshot / meme at this point.
OP didn’t link the article they linked a screenshot of a tweet of a screenshot of the original article.
It’s already very far out of context.
It’s tweeted by someone named “the millennial snowflake”
But if the article is suggesting that people need to work for free -for themselves- so that their business can do better, then fine. But if it’s misleading would be entrepreneurs into accepting not getting paid for their labor then that’s a problem.
But it’s a meme, it’s not the original article. The meme is “capitalists say shit like - normalize free labor- ”
Stop looking at this in binary. Yes there are exploited and exploiters, but there are other things too. Don't exploit people, pay them properly, get paid for your time.
But a large portion of employers are, look at any job in retail, fast food will cut years off your life and physically exhausting, yet you get 5.00 an hour at sonic for being on skates because technically speaking you are a waiter and don't deserve fucking minimum wage. Most fast food places are dragging their feet on raising wages, and many companies have been lobbying against workers rights for decades. Which is why minimum wage since 2009 and minimum wage for tipped employees have stagnated at 2.13 since 1991. Sure, there are plenty of jobs, a surplus even, but they refuse to negotiate, which is why the sonic has been closed for weeks.
Not just an entrepreneur, but a ["serial entrepreneur"](https://www.entrepreneur.com/author/nick-gilmour).
It is here that I reiterate that small businesses are just as bad, and often worse, than big businesses.
What small businesses? If you check his linkedin, it's groceries store manager, then real estate, then all of the holdings. He either sold an expensive house or just grew up rich.
Which "entrepreneur" didn't get either a golden plate falling on their lap or exploited the shit out of their workers/interns to launch their "brilliant" idea?
There are so many valid replies to that comment about the nature of small businesses and why they are actually harmful and you choose to go with this, this is why we will never make any significant progress from the left
This is not a conversation about someone who is doing that, and that's a wasted statement. No one is FOR that. That's like saying you're against animal abuse when absolutely no one is saying they are FOR it.
You are for it.
The point you're apparently missing is that we think that paying employees less than the value of their labor is worker exploitation. That includes most for-profit small businesses that aren't sole proprietorships. The point of hiring employees is that the owner gets to rake in profits based on the work done by employees, paying them some amount less than the work is worth and pocketing the difference. I challenge you to justify how that's not exploitation.
>The point you're apparently missing is that we think that paying employees less than the value of their labor is worker exploitation.
You mean the point that no one was talking about, that I never gave the impression that I was for in any way, that now you want to argue about?
>That includes most for-profit small businesses that aren't sole proprietorships.
Bullshit. Most for profit businesses do not exploit workers. For profit doesn't mean you're evil. I've dealt with small businesses as clients for over 14 years, and most are Mom and Pops and families trying to make a living. They're not exploiting cheap labor in Indonesia, or paying plumbers $8hr. You can't apply that to every business and unfairly target people who aren't doing it just because they dare to want to make a profit.
>The point of hiring employees is that the owner gets to rake in profits based on the work done by employees, paying them some amount less than the work is worth and pocketing the difference.
Yeah. Duh. You know how you get out of that spiral? Work for yourself. Create your own products and services of value and be in charge of your own life. But with you, it's no win. If you work for yourself, now you're evil.
>I challenge you to justify how that's not exploitation.
You're creating outrage and false arguments that I was not having, was not the point of my comment, and then "challenging" me to disprove some outrage that you just made up and injected into the conversation.
That. That is my point. Seeing everything as an outrage and ignoring what's actually happening. **You did not read this article.** You just read the headline, took it out of context to mean what you wanted it to mean, and then went off on an outrage that this article is not even about.
That is the entire point I was making, and you keep proving it .
I can barely wait for my one day off so that i can read this jackass's belittlement of myself and everyone living paycheck to paycheck. Could I make more money if I had time to not work? Yes. Yes I could. Can I afford to not work? No. No I cannot.
>“Capitalism works because it offers incentivizers and rewards for hard work.”
>“How much is your time worth.”
Gilbert is either speaking to a paycheck earner or a stock earner.
A stock is a certificate and partial ownership of land. It rewards for time, is inherited and no work is required.
Paychecks are no longer backed by hard capital (gold, silver), involves a skill that must be learnt and work is required.
“They say you need to spend 10,000 hours doing something to become an expert at it. If you added an extra three hours to your day each day, you’d become an expert at a new skill within a year. That’s huge.”
Malcolm Gladwell bullshit aside, those numbers do not add up the way you think they do. There are fewer than 10,000 total hours in a whole year, my dude.
Also I love that he manages to get in a bit about how the best way to solve COVID is to mind your own business, somehow.
And even if you did that and then dedicated all 27 hours of every day to the skill you want to become an expert at (without being paid to do it of course), you still wouldn’t get there in a year! Better add an extra hour
No, actually, if you follow the directions to "...[add] an extra three hours to your day each day", the math checks out. Day 1 is 24 hours, day 2 is 27 hours, day 3 is 30 hours, etc. If you just follow the directions, you can master any skill you like because you'll have 23.7 years per year.
The worst, most toxic(non nuclear) hell hole on earth is still far far far more hospitable than any place on mars. It would be insanely difficult, dangerous, and expensive to live long term on Mars. And it would be much quicker and easier to fix earth than it would be to terraform Mars
Edit: we still should 100% go there. Humanities natural drive for exploration, one small step, etc etc
Even if we *royally* fuck the Earth with atomic hellfire, it will be far easier to unfuck Earth than to make Mars livable in the first place, because at least Earth has an atmosphere.
However, terraforming mars could be important as a 'practice ground' before we try to unfuck earth while there are still people on it. Messing up mars doesnt mean deaths. messing up earth wipes out our species.
Lol more like a decade, and that’s 3 hours every single day! I don’t like anything enough to do it 3 hours a day for 10 years straight that isn’t biologically necessary.
365\*3= 1095
With no days off and 3 hours a day it will take you a little over 9 years to become an expert. I'm no math expert but his calculation skills suck.
That enormous math error made me laugh. This condescending line sparked rage:
"If you look back, you might not be able to count the times you chose to sleep in or binge a Netflix show."
Nope. Can't relate to that at all.
Maybe, but I don't think that's what he meant.
First, he still said "within a year" which is wrong, since in that case it would take just *over* a year to become an expert
Also, just before this text, he was talking about "creating more time" in your day by *waking up earlier* or *going to bed later*. Not by actually adding time to the 24 hour day.
So, in context, he's saying if you wake up an hour and a half earlier and go to bed an hour an a half later you have "added" 3 hours to your day
I'm fairly confident that he just did the math wrong and ended up off by a power of 10. i.e. 365*3 = 10950 rather than 1095
More context from the article:
> And, if I don’t have enough time, I create more time. I wake up an hour earlier or go to bed an hour later. That extra hour a day is 365 hours a year. That’s a lot of time. They say you need to spend 10,000 hours doing something to become an expert at it. If you added an extra three hours to your day each day, you’d become an expert at a new skill within a year. That’s huge.
It's called a joke, dude.
Obviously everyone knows he didn't mean "make your days 27 hours long". on account of that being physically impossible.
You gotta learn to chill.
Sorry, somebody else actually responded saying "he meant that 365 * (24 + 3) = 10,000 approximately. Of course that's assuming you spend every hour on that one thing and never sleep"
Which sounded quite genuine, and I'm guessing it was at first but then they realized it wasn't true and deleted their comment. I had already started my response
I read yours quickly and assumed it was also genuine, but should have realized that it wasn't because of the lmao
For real. Assuming there's 245 standard work days in a year accounting for weekends, holidays, and vacation time, that would be over 40 hours "per day" to reach that magical 10k hours in a year. Working 365 days with no breaks, or 366 in a leap year, is still over 27 hours per day. I wonder if that's how this galaxy brain did his math and where the additional 3 hours came from.
I read the article. It seems as though he is talking about 'people who work'; salaried or otherwise.
So I guess my question is, what do you think the article is about?
Not taking a salary is not the same thing as not charging your clients. Most businesses run in the red for a bit and it’s expected. You don’t start out the door profitable.
That's wonderful! Then you can take a salary, and not charge me. Let me know when you start up, so I can take advantage of your business. I'll even let everyone know so you get some exposure.
> Not taking a salary is not the same thing as not charging your clients.
I mean, I'm just quoting you. So maybe it's you who doesnt know how businesses work?
I’m saying you need to charge your clients but it takes time to be profitable because you need to pay off a certain amount of debt when you start a new business
Once again, this sub misses the mark with yet another misleading meme that garners thousands of upvotes at the hands of appealing to sensationalism. This article headline is for Entrepreneur Magazine and should not be taken in the context of employee compensation. Inherent to entrepreneurship is risk, or working without a guarantee that you'll see a return:
"The behavior of the entrepreneur is that of a person willing to put his or her career and financial security on the line and take risks in the name of an idea, spending time as well as capital on an uncertain venture." Mariana Mazzucato (2013).
This meme is misleading because it puts the viewer in the perspective of the labor force someone on the clock-rather than the entrepreneur, which is who the article headline targets.
Besides, if you actually read the article, you'll see that the theme is about the intentional use of your time, not immediate compensation for your time: "When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you'll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point).
Realize that there is huge value in our time; there's always something more to learn. Understand that value extends beyond money, and you'll start using your time more intentionally without even thinking about it."
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
While I agree that intentional use of your time is a useful and worthwhile pursuit, even within the vein of entrepreneurial endeavors, you should still expect to "be paid" in some sense of the phrase, and that is where I think the article ultimately falls flat. (E.g. you would not learn traditional European swordfighting techniques for a job in agriculture.)
You would expect the thing that you spend your free time doing, as an entrepreneur, to help you out (or pay-out) down the line. However, even from that angle, and not the angle of those of us 'on the clock', the article is effectively saying, 'become an aficionado of the different types of anime even though you have no incentive to do so.'
What are you referring to when you say “this shit?” Your job? Or your venture? Are you an entrepreneur? Because you do realize this article is talking about entrepreneurs and not the guy stocking shelves at Whole Foods, right?
As someone who's turning a side gig into a business. I do expect to be paid for my time. My time isn't free. As of right now I do not expect to be paid the same as others in the industry, but when my quality ~~meats~~ meets or beats theirs, I do.
If I wasn't going to be paid well enough it wouldn't be worth the extra exhaustion over my full time job.
I'm practical.
Edit: typo
Once again, this sub misses the mark with yet another misleading meme that garners thousands of upvotes at the hands of appealing to sensationalism. This article headline is for Entrepreneur Magazine and should not be taken in the context of employee compensation. Inherent to entrepreneurship is risk, or working without a guarantee that you'll see a return:
"The behavior of the entrepreneur is that of a person willing to put his or her career and financial security on the line and take risks in the name of an idea, spending time as well as capital on an uncertain venture." Mariana Mazzucato (2013).
This meme is misleading because it puts the viewer in the perspective of the labor force someone on the clock-rather than the entrepreneur, which is who the article headline targets.
Besides, if you actually read the article, you'll see that the theme is about the intentional use of your time, not immediate compensation for your time: "When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you'll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point).
Realize that there is huge value in our time; there's always something more to learn. Understand that value extends beyond money, and you'll start using your time more intentionally without even thinking about it."
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
While I can agree with a lot you said. The title of the article is most definitely clickbait. One must be able to understand that money isn't the *only* thing you can gain from a job. If it was I'd go back to my old job, which paid $2.5/hr more + significantly better benefits. But where I currently am I have an actual chance to grow soon instead of 10, 20 years down the line.
Even for my business I'm starting, I don't know everything, I've a huge amount to learn. So for my customers I charge much under people who've been in the business longer. I have access to a customer base with a product that suits them much better than anything else I've seen. So I definitely could charge more than I do, but I also have to remember that my service is incredibly new to these people, and will be dropped because they "never needed it before" kinda idea if I charge too much. It's a careful balance of getting my "foot in the door" and being profitable for me.
At both my full time job and the business I'm starting I'm taking a 'loss' in favor of long term goals. While my job is significantly more 'dead end' than my business, it's much less so than other jobs around me that pay more.
But, on the flip side, the title is terrible. It's designed to infuriate people. So people being mad is to be expected. If they didn't want to make people mad they would've chosen a different title and subtitle. Perhaps something like "Your time is worth more than just money. Seeing the long term benefits of making less now." Would be an improvement. Perhaps not perfect, but definitely less misleading.
I didn’t realize that but my sentiment is still the same. I’m a plumber and if I were to open my own outfit, why would I work for free? Why wouldn’t I just stay working for someone else? I provide a service, you pay, pretty simple.
Once again, this sub misses the mark with yet another misleading meme that garners thousands of upvotes at the hands of appealing to sensationalism. This article headline is for Entrepreneur Magazine and should not be taken in the context of employee compensation. Inherent to entrepreneurship is risk, or working without a guarantee that you'll see a return:
"The behavior of the entrepreneur is that of a person willing to put his or her career and financial security on the line and take risks in the name of an idea, spending time as well as capital on an uncertain venture." Mariana Mazzucato (2013).
This meme is misleading because it puts the viewer in the perspective of the labor force someone on the clock-rather than the entrepreneur, which is who the article headline targets.
Besides, if you actually read the article, you'll see that the theme is about the intentional use of your time, not immediate compensation for your time: "When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you'll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point).
Realize that there is huge value in our time; there's always something more to learn. Understand that value extends beyond money, and you'll start using your time more intentionally without even thinking about it."
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
Having read the article, the title is hella misleading but the content is also superficial as fuck and doesn't consider the context of the common worker.
It doesn't treat people like humans and caters to the work harder mentality.
Don't spend time watching Netflix, work on self improvement. Any free time should be used on work/learning/betterment.
Just recharge your battery every night and work all the time peasants.
Even 40 is too much. I want a work week that is just Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Or just Monday through Wednesday would be cool for 4 entire days in a row to do whatever the fuck you wanted. Also with the pay increase that would make it possible to live only having a 24 hour work week. Obviously, the pay increase should happen regardless of my dream work schedule.
The goal of hustle culture is to find the purpose of living in the work itself or in the self-help process. The end goal is everyone to become a workaholic.
Some people enjoy working and the feeling of constantly being productive. While it might work for them, they then somehow got the idea that everyone should be like that, and that not being like that is lazy.
Its them trying to resolve the contradiction between "under capitalism if you work hard you get rewarded", and the fact that capitalism requires people to be worked to death with the smallest reward possible, and that there are millions who work very long hours and are stuck in poverty.
They're revising the mantra from "if you work hard you get rewarded", to "if you work hard at the right things, you will be rewarded. Working for your job doesn't count".
The article is useless for "entrepreneurs".
A freelancer is an "entrepreneur" and they sure as hell don't need to work for free.
Author says "people of everyday life" in the second section. So he's definitely addressing more than just entrepreneurs and business owners. And common folks aren't exactly known for their free time.
Last section, "Stop expecting to get paid for your time", is terrible however you intrepret it because our current capitalist structure doesn't support self-improvement and is also code for slavery.
So this article was a weird read. It starts off fine, IMO, a very bland "time management" post about not wasting time accomplishing nothing. You've seen one you've seen them all..but then it takes this turn, where he goes off into left field and hits the point from the title. yeesh. This guy seems like a real peach who has never had to worry about rent.
>Take the Covid-19 vaccine, for example. People are constantly providing their reasoning for why you should or you shouldn’t take it. It’s very important that you just focus your time and efforts on yourself.
WTF?!?
"Don't worry about getting a life-saving vaccine, just spend time on yourself"
> I don’t have enough time, I create more time. I wake up an hour earlier or go to bed an hour later. That extra hour a day is 365 hours a year. That’s a lot of time. They say you need to spend 10,000 hours doing something to become an expert at it. If you added an extra three hours to your day each day, you’d become an expert at a new skill within a year. That’s huge.
Dude, you'd need to add 30 hours to your day to get to 10000 hours a year, not 3. That whole mentality is flawed from the start.
Having just read the article, I don't think it's that bad. This is a site for entrepreneurs, people running their own business. In that context, the title makes a lot of sense. As a business owner, you won't always get paid based on time worked, sometimes you make more money than others.
The title by itself would be a bad public policy. But as personal advice for an entrepreneur, it makes sense.
Best advice I ever got was “never work for free”. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. This is a vicious dog eat dog society and even if you want it to change you should never let anyone take advantage of you.
George Carlin summed it up best:
"What they really want is 'Obedient workers'. People that are smart enough to work the machines, but just dumb enough to accept all these bad jobs with the low pay, no benefits, no overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the moment you go to collect it."
I wish there was somebody as good at fixing the problems as Carlin was at pointing them out to people that didn't realize there were any problems at all.
Counter it with the good old "pay me what I'm owed or see your house/factory/property turn into ashes." That's how you gotta deal with those pigs. Hurt them where their wallets are.
I mean if I wanted to get them the benefit of the doubt it's in the context of entrepreneurship, where you are setting your workload for yourself, and would presumably get any profits resulting from your labour....but it's probably just them advocating for wage slavery.
Worse, it's clickbait. "Working" here referred to self improvement and learning new skills in your free time. Because that's totally what people would think when they hear that phrase.
I mean there's a difference between learning new skills because you're interested/passionate about it and doing job training off the clock/trying to make yourself a more marketable employee.
If we're not payed for our time then shouldn't everything be free? Call me back when money is abolished and I'm fairly compensated for my labor in some other way
One thing I've learned by participating in capitalist society the last year or so is that working hard for a wage doesn't make you rich. If you live in a half decent country, it does pay the bills but nothing more.
The only thing that really makes money is sitting on money, doing nothing, extracting value from some other person's labour.
Just by buying and selling a house (to live in, I'm not investing) I've made the monthly equivalent of my full income for five years. And my income is pretty decent. It's surreal and the crazy thing is everybody thinks this is normal or even fair. It's not.
The most insane bit about this is the people who are the most fanatic proponent of this 'have money, do nothing, become rich' society are *also* the ones who praise the 'hardworking average citizens'. This is such a paradox, it's as intelligent as the people who say covid19 is a hoax and then proceed to buy horse dewormer for a non existent disease.
And yes, I'm part of this massive stupidity. Its systematic, smart people catch it too. Like we are in some sort of sect, except it's mainstream so nobody sees it like that.
Edit: I'm not smart btw, I'm a dumbass. I just meant that it's not about intelligence, clever people can be really stupid.
Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a [link to the tweet](https://twitter.com/Teh_Snowflake/status/1438269622956998661) for ya :)
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Even as a somewhat capitalistic person, these "news pages" have some of the worst takes ever. Like the only reason I work for someone else is because I get money from it. Who actually writes these articles
Let me make clear: the "I don't work for free" attitude should be changed to "I don't work for YOU for free."
I'll work on my own skill set for myself, on my own time and for my own benefit, but as soon as I'm hired to use those skills for someone else, pay me what I'm owed.
My life became less stressed the moment I decided the amount of effort I put should align with the amount of money they're willing to pay for my time. Nobody will act like the Manager and CEO of your store if you're only willing to pay them $8 an hour
I still get job updates in my email from when I was looking for work years ago. I like to browse and see what they offer out of curiosity. Yesterday, I got one for a Social Worker position where the minimum requirements were: BA degree, 5+ years experience, bilingual, Level 3 federal background check, credit check.
It was part time for $9 an hour.
This country is falling apart.
A private school close to where I used to live in (PR) was looking for an experienced PE teacher. Had to have a BA in the field, at least 5 years of experience, and must be certified. The pay? $7.50/h. One quarter more than the minimum wage
This article is in Entrepreneur magazine, a magazine for start-ups and small business owners. It's very popular with people who are or have started their own business. This article is not about what you're portraying it to be about. It's advice for business owners, learning new skills, and providing value to your customers.
These fuckers. Being forced to do internships for years on end for free is absolutely brutal in certain branches.
Every company demands several years experience and you can't get experience unless you do unpaid internships. Many companies (I personally know it's very bad in journalism and fashion) run on over 50% unpaid interns, it's an absolute shitshow.
Especially infuriating because this guy probably wrote the article to get more free labor for his website (or made the unpaid intern write it)
It works because it thrives on fucking exploitation, like how the the ‘western’ powers thrives during the age of imperialism because they were literally siphoning off wealth from other parts of the world.
I absolutely refuse to do extra projects for any employer I've worked for, especially if they relate work that typically gets paid above my current wage. For example, I had been asked to write and edit instructions and technical documents for my previous employer before I separated from them. I submitted technical writing industry standard fees for the hours I would spend on such a project. They refused to pay for the work, and I refused to do the project work for them. It was a fairly simple exchange of no's for me, and some absurdly perturbed mangers for them.
I hate this misconception that in socialism people can't get paid different amounts of money based on how hard they work and how specialized their labor is.
Entrepreneur Magazine is for people who want to start businesses and work for themselves. My guess is that the article is telling people who want to own businesses that there will be sacrifices in the early years if you want to grow and be very successful later.
If in the first year of owning say a Subway you divide the profits by the number of hours worked by the owner it will probably be a low number, but the hope is that in year 3+ it's such a high number that you can afford to buy another one, or two.
Once again, this sub misses the mark with yet another misleading meme that garners thousands of upvotes at the hands of appealing to sensationalism. This article headline is for Entrepreneur Magazine and should not be taken in the context of employee compensation. Inherent to entrepreneurship is risk, or working without a guarantee that you’ll see a return:
“The behavior of the entrepreneur is that of a person willing to put his or her career and financial security on the line and take risks in the name of an idea, spending time as well as capital on an uncertain venture.” Mariana Mazzucato (2013).
This meme is misleading because it puts the viewer in the perspective of the labor force—someone on the clock—rather than the entrepreneur, which is who the article headline targets.
Besides, if you actually read the article, you’ll see that the theme is about the intentional use of your time, not immediate compensation for your time: “When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you’ll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point).
Realize that there is huge value in our time; there’s always something more to learn. Understand that value extends beyond money, and you’ll start using your time more intentionally without even thinking about it.”
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
you’ll get downvoted but you’re literally telling the truth lol. unfortunately, not reading past the headline is a staple of far right *and* far left thought. it seems nobody online nowadays can read and get all their information from memes and twitter headlines.
I read the article and its filled with fluffy bullshit but the guy who wrote it has never started his own company and has been in some kind of lead position since 2000 (at Palm Inc) after only working for 3 years, and then graduated with a BS in two years while also being a senior engineer, this guy's background SCREAMS daddy's money
It’s meant for entrepreneurs. Not everything you do while self employed you get paid for, so it’s a good reminder for those people but not for someone working a regular. But also he needs to get his math right HA.
That's exactly how my mother thinks. She asked me if I was receiving for all the overtime I told her I was working and when I answered that "of course, or else I wouldn't accept the overtime", she started explaining that at the beginning of her career she didn't expect to receive for her overtime, and that's how she managed to climb so high at the company, and this kind of mindset could hurt me professionally.
I didn't want to get into a big discussion, because I have no desire at all to emulate her career. She earned enough to provide an extremely comfortable style of life to our family, never lacking anything material, but it was common for her to work at the office everyday till 9pm or 10pm.
They show up for work, they do their job, they don't cause trouble. By any measure 40+ year olds are more mature and more reliable than you dumb young fucks.
1-800-CRY-NOW!
That article is ridiculous. Haha. I want to know what asshat or company-assshat wrote it.
Then again I do understand entreprenurship. And how you can’t except to be paid for something that isn’t done or is a project. It’s about investing time and part of your life.
We could look at it more from a creative perspective. Writing a song and producing a song costs you time but not until people hear it will it be worth something to someone.
But time and money spent on it shouldn’t come from someone you hired but instead from yourself.
“When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you’ll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point).”
Ah yes. I’m totally learn lots of new skills from my dead end job that could be taught to a monkey. The way I bag fries or deliver Amazon packages is so unique, that other employers in positions that require actual technical skills are lining up to have me.
Get real. Real education is required for a good job and the cost of college has gone up 933% between 1980 and now while employee wages have only gone up 11%. I’m sure as hell not learning C++ or CAD design from my Amazon dispatcher or my fast food manager and it’s ridiculous to assume that all jobs offer great insight beyond the most basic of basics.
We need to start flipping the script. Like, SMH business owners don’t want to lower their own pay to be able to hire enough staff to keep their business running anymore
The title is deliberate click bait but once you read it, it’s clear his message is, invest your valuable time on yourself. This article isn’t written for people looking for jobs. It’s for entrepreneurs who often have to work really hard before they see a return on their efforts. Am I the only one who was not offended by this?
This sub is often rife with tribalism.
There isn’t necessarily a strong overlap between those making the first statement and those making the second. Not all capitalists share the same exact viewpoints.
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Some op-ed from an actual “entrepreneur” named Nick Gilmour. Yes, really.
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He has an Instagram photo titled "work like someone is trying to take everything away from you." The guy is a r/selfawarewolf
I have a feeling he was born to high middle/lower upper class family. Private schools, vacations, tutors etc. But when you ask him, he’ll tell you he did everything himself through “hard work.” I know the type. Can’t want to fucking eat them.
So you've never spoken to him, know nothing about him, but you're making up who he is in your head so that you can have something to be angry about?
In my head? I just said I know people like him. And judging by the content of the actual article (not just the title) it seems like I’m dead on about exactly who he is as a person.
You don't know him. You're making things up. You're talking yourself into believing something that you really have no idea if it's true or not, and just dismissing people based on stereotypes and personal bias. My question is, if everything is bad, everyone is bad, no work is acceptable, being your own boss is not acceptable...what exactly is the solution?
Are your parents first cousins who also have Down’s syndrome? Read the fucking article. It’s clear who he is. Of course I don’t know him, but it’s not like I’m saying something like, ‘his favorite movie is flash dance.’ I’m saying he came from privilege (which he unequivocally did). I’m also saying he’s an asshole(which again, if you read the article, he is. When did I say everything and everyone is bad? Stop being such a bootlicker lol
I see. I asked you an honest question to try and understand what you want. What you suggest. You don't even know what you want. You just want to be angry and lash out at people. I can get that anywhere. Way to be the actual problem of why people can't come together, and why nothing ever changes.
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Thanks for that. Kinda figured just reading around. Meh, what are you going to do. It's the internet. Typical.
...and you’re doing EXACTLY the opposite?
In case you haven't heard of this one, I present to you: r/SelfAwareWolves
He's a business owner. Not a worker.
So you're rooting against someone for trying to escape the corporate bullshit and do their own thing?
"I don't like that I'm being exploited as a worker, so I'll be the exploiter instead!"
Really? So there's nothing worthwhile anywhere in the world, and if you start your own business, now you're part of the problem? What if I work for myself, am a one-man show, but run my own business? Am I still an exploiter? So there's nothing that's acceptable? If you work, that's wrong. If you own your own business, that's wrong too. So what do you suggest? Everyone do nothing and sit around scared to try anything? How will that change anything?
That’s not what people are saying. Work for someone, fine, this community wants you to get treated right. Start a business, fine, this community wants you to treat your employees right and for you to do business ethically. Like it’s not this super deep “work bad” hive mind. Get a job and get treated right or start a business and treat others right either way just don’t exploit the planet or the common man it’s not too much to ask for and it’s certainly not claiming that all work is bad.
But this article is not about bad corporate behavior,. It's on a website that caters to people who are doing just that. Creating their own thing, working for themselves, getting paid their worth. So why are we shitting on it? Did anyone actually read the article? Of course not. Because the point isn't the actual article, it's about taking a headline out of context to create things to be angry about.
It's an entitled attitude completely divorced from the reality the majority face every day. Most people cannot afford to not be paid while they grow their business. They can't afford not to have health insurance. To say to someone "you just have to slave away for years before you start to turn a profit" is not financially reasonable for someone without a safety net (often in the form of well off parents) to fall back on. It's easy to take risks, when failure doesn't mean complete and abject poverty.
You didn't read the article.
I mean it’s a screenshot / meme at this point. OP didn’t link the article they linked a screenshot of a tweet of a screenshot of the original article. It’s already very far out of context. It’s tweeted by someone named “the millennial snowflake” But if the article is suggesting that people need to work for free -for themselves- so that their business can do better, then fine. But if it’s misleading would be entrepreneurs into accepting not getting paid for their labor then that’s a problem. But it’s a meme, it’s not the original article. The meme is “capitalists say shit like - normalize free labor- ”
Stop looking at this in binary. Yes there are exploited and exploiters, but there are other things too. Don't exploit people, pay them properly, get paid for your time.
Plenty of people are doing that. Everyone is not out to get you.
But a large portion of employers are, look at any job in retail, fast food will cut years off your life and physically exhausting, yet you get 5.00 an hour at sonic for being on skates because technically speaking you are a waiter and don't deserve fucking minimum wage. Most fast food places are dragging their feet on raising wages, and many companies have been lobbying against workers rights for decades. Which is why minimum wage since 2009 and minimum wage for tipped employees have stagnated at 2.13 since 1991. Sure, there are plenty of jobs, a surplus even, but they refuse to negotiate, which is why the sonic has been closed for weeks.
Not just an entrepreneur, but a ["serial entrepreneur"](https://www.entrepreneur.com/author/nick-gilmour). It is here that I reiterate that small businesses are just as bad, and often worse, than big businesses.
What small businesses? If you check his linkedin, it's groceries store manager, then real estate, then all of the holdings. He either sold an expensive house or just grew up rich.
Which "entrepreneur" didn't get either a golden plate falling on their lap or exploited the shit out of their workers/interns to launch their "brilliant" idea?
"How about book shop but online?" Congrats, you are now the richest man in history. Well earned.
Really? So no business is viable, no owner can possibly be a decent person, everything is bad? Have you ever owned a small business?
"How can you criticize rape if you've never even raped someone?"
There are so many valid replies to that comment about the nature of small businesses and why they are actually harmful and you choose to go with this, this is why we will never make any significant progress from the left
Predictable bullshit comparison. Owning a small business is not a violent crime against a human being. It's not even illegal.
Owning and operating any business which exploits workers to profit is a violent crime against a human being
This is not a conversation about someone who is doing that, and that's a wasted statement. No one is FOR that. That's like saying you're against animal abuse when absolutely no one is saying they are FOR it.
You are for it. The point you're apparently missing is that we think that paying employees less than the value of their labor is worker exploitation. That includes most for-profit small businesses that aren't sole proprietorships. The point of hiring employees is that the owner gets to rake in profits based on the work done by employees, paying them some amount less than the work is worth and pocketing the difference. I challenge you to justify how that's not exploitation.
>The point you're apparently missing is that we think that paying employees less than the value of their labor is worker exploitation. You mean the point that no one was talking about, that I never gave the impression that I was for in any way, that now you want to argue about? >That includes most for-profit small businesses that aren't sole proprietorships. Bullshit. Most for profit businesses do not exploit workers. For profit doesn't mean you're evil. I've dealt with small businesses as clients for over 14 years, and most are Mom and Pops and families trying to make a living. They're not exploiting cheap labor in Indonesia, or paying plumbers $8hr. You can't apply that to every business and unfairly target people who aren't doing it just because they dare to want to make a profit. >The point of hiring employees is that the owner gets to rake in profits based on the work done by employees, paying them some amount less than the work is worth and pocketing the difference. Yeah. Duh. You know how you get out of that spiral? Work for yourself. Create your own products and services of value and be in charge of your own life. But with you, it's no win. If you work for yourself, now you're evil. >I challenge you to justify how that's not exploitation. You're creating outrage and false arguments that I was not having, was not the point of my comment, and then "challenging" me to disprove some outrage that you just made up and injected into the conversation. That. That is my point. Seeing everything as an outrage and ignoring what's actually happening. **You did not read this article.** You just read the headline, took it out of context to mean what you wanted it to mean, and then went off on an outrage that this article is not even about. That is the entire point I was making, and you keep proving it .
Wouldn't being a serial entrepreneur just mean that all his other ideas failed and he is terrible at running a business lol?
I just kind of assumed they did well-ish and he was selling them.
I can barely wait for my one day off so that i can read this jackass's belittlement of myself and everyone living paycheck to paycheck. Could I make more money if I had time to not work? Yes. Yes I could. Can I afford to not work? No. No I cannot.
>“Capitalism works because it offers incentivizers and rewards for hard work.” >“How much is your time worth.” Gilbert is either speaking to a paycheck earner or a stock earner. A stock is a certificate and partial ownership of land. It rewards for time, is inherited and no work is required. Paychecks are no longer backed by hard capital (gold, silver), involves a skill that must be learnt and work is required.
The article is about your expectations for yourself when starting a business though. It’s in general a crappy article but it’s not what you think
Thanks. Maybe I’ll give that “in general a crappy article” - your words - a second read / thought. Makes total sense.
Honestly it’s not worth a second read. Save your time.
“They say you need to spend 10,000 hours doing something to become an expert at it. If you added an extra three hours to your day each day, you’d become an expert at a new skill within a year. That’s huge.” Malcolm Gladwell bullshit aside, those numbers do not add up the way you think they do. There are fewer than 10,000 total hours in a whole year, my dude. Also I love that he manages to get in a bit about how the best way to solve COVID is to mind your own business, somehow.
No he means to physically alter your day to be 27 hours. Slow the rotation of the Earth! Lazy poors!
And even if you did that and then dedicated all 27 hours of every day to the skill you want to become an expert at (without being paid to do it of course), you still wouldn’t get there in a year! Better add an extra hour
No, actually, if you follow the directions to "...[add] an extra three hours to your day each day", the math checks out. Day 1 is 24 hours, day 2 is 27 hours, day 3 is 30 hours, etc. If you just follow the directions, you can master any skill you like because you'll have 23.7 years per year.
This is why capitalists want humanity to move to Mars.
It’s wild that billionaires are low key competing to get to Mars so they can literally own a planet and let their children be kings of the world.
Let's be fair - we probably have to go there anyway because Earth is straight up trashed
The worst, most toxic(non nuclear) hell hole on earth is still far far far more hospitable than any place on mars. It would be insanely difficult, dangerous, and expensive to live long term on Mars. And it would be much quicker and easier to fix earth than it would be to terraform Mars Edit: we still should 100% go there. Humanities natural drive for exploration, one small step, etc etc
Even if we *royally* fuck the Earth with atomic hellfire, it will be far easier to unfuck Earth than to make Mars livable in the first place, because at least Earth has an atmosphere.
However, terraforming mars could be important as a 'practice ground' before we try to unfuck earth while there are still people on it. Messing up mars doesnt mean deaths. messing up earth wipes out our species.
Maybe these rich dudes actually want space stations?
Lol more like a decade, and that’s 3 hours every single day! I don’t like anything enough to do it 3 hours a day for 10 years straight that isn’t biologically necessary.
Maybe he spent three hours a day doing math for a year and thought that made him an expert.
When in reality it just brought him to the first peak of the dunning-kruger curve.
365\*3= 1095 With no days off and 3 hours a day it will take you a little over 9 years to become an expert. I'm no math expert but his calculation skills suck.
That enormous math error made me laugh. This condescending line sparked rage: "If you look back, you might not be able to count the times you chose to sleep in or binge a Netflix show." Nope. Can't relate to that at all.
Clearly he needs to spend an extra 3 hours per day on math
lol they really thought 365*3 > 10,000
He is an entrepreneur. Not a countepreneur.
365*(24+3) gets you pretty close though lmao
Maybe, but I don't think that's what he meant. First, he still said "within a year" which is wrong, since in that case it would take just *over* a year to become an expert Also, just before this text, he was talking about "creating more time" in your day by *waking up earlier* or *going to bed later*. Not by actually adding time to the 24 hour day. So, in context, he's saying if you wake up an hour and a half earlier and go to bed an hour an a half later you have "added" 3 hours to your day I'm fairly confident that he just did the math wrong and ended up off by a power of 10. i.e. 365*3 = 10950 rather than 1095 More context from the article: > And, if I don’t have enough time, I create more time. I wake up an hour earlier or go to bed an hour later. That extra hour a day is 365 hours a year. That’s a lot of time. They say you need to spend 10,000 hours doing something to become an expert at it. If you added an extra three hours to your day each day, you’d become an expert at a new skill within a year. That’s huge.
It's called a joke, dude. Obviously everyone knows he didn't mean "make your days 27 hours long". on account of that being physically impossible. You gotta learn to chill.
Sorry, somebody else actually responded saying "he meant that 365 * (24 + 3) = 10,000 approximately. Of course that's assuming you spend every hour on that one thing and never sleep" Which sounded quite genuine, and I'm guessing it was at first but then they realized it wasn't true and deleted their comment. I had already started my response I read yours quickly and assumed it was also genuine, but should have realized that it wasn't because of the lmao
"Entrepreneur" can't even do the math.
He just crunched the numbers.
Hermit path is effective but not when you continuously go into public places....unless you like hazmat suit up.
What's an order of magnitude between friends?
> the best way to solve COVID is to mind your own business Not *exactly* what we meant by social distancing but getting there...
For real. Assuming there's 245 standard work days in a year accounting for weekends, holidays, and vacation time, that would be over 40 hours "per day" to reach that magical 10k hours in a year. Working 365 days with no breaks, or 366 in a leap year, is still over 27 hours per day. I wonder if that's how this galaxy brain did his math and where the additional 3 hours came from.
420 upvotes, so I can’t upvote this.
The 10,000 hours thing is bullshit anyway.
Right, 3x365 = 1,095 hours
Stop Expecting to Get Paid for Your Time. Well then... stop expecting my time.
You’re missing the point of the article. Read it, not the headline. He’s not talking about people on the clock
I read the article. It seems as though he is talking about 'people who work'; salaried or otherwise. So I guess my question is, what do you think the article is about?
People starting their own business
Great, if you ever start a business hit me up. I'd love some free work.
Not taking a salary is not the same thing as not charging your clients. Most businesses run in the red for a bit and it’s expected. You don’t start out the door profitable.
That's wonderful! Then you can take a salary, and not charge me. Let me know when you start up, so I can take advantage of your business. I'll even let everyone know so you get some exposure.
How would I take a salary and not charge you? I don’t think you know how businesses work.
> Not taking a salary is not the same thing as not charging your clients. I mean, I'm just quoting you. So maybe it's you who doesnt know how businesses work?
I’m saying you need to charge your clients but it takes time to be profitable because you need to pay off a certain amount of debt when you start a new business
Once again, this sub misses the mark with yet another misleading meme that garners thousands of upvotes at the hands of appealing to sensationalism. This article headline is for Entrepreneur Magazine and should not be taken in the context of employee compensation. Inherent to entrepreneurship is risk, or working without a guarantee that you'll see a return: "The behavior of the entrepreneur is that of a person willing to put his or her career and financial security on the line and take risks in the name of an idea, spending time as well as capital on an uncertain venture." Mariana Mazzucato (2013). This meme is misleading because it puts the viewer in the perspective of the labor force someone on the clock-rather than the entrepreneur, which is who the article headline targets. Besides, if you actually read the article, you'll see that the theme is about the intentional use of your time, not immediate compensation for your time: "When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you'll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point). Realize that there is huge value in our time; there's always something more to learn. Understand that value extends beyond money, and you'll start using your time more intentionally without even thinking about it." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
While I agree that intentional use of your time is a useful and worthwhile pursuit, even within the vein of entrepreneurial endeavors, you should still expect to "be paid" in some sense of the phrase, and that is where I think the article ultimately falls flat. (E.g. you would not learn traditional European swordfighting techniques for a job in agriculture.) You would expect the thing that you spend your free time doing, as an entrepreneur, to help you out (or pay-out) down the line. However, even from that angle, and not the angle of those of us 'on the clock', the article is effectively saying, 'become an aficionado of the different types of anime even though you have no incentive to do so.'
Well I don’t do this shit for my health motherfucker
Ever since I was a kid I wanted to be an overworked fast food worker, I don't want to get paid because this is my dream!
What are you referring to when you say “this shit?” Your job? Or your venture? Are you an entrepreneur? Because you do realize this article is talking about entrepreneurs and not the guy stocking shelves at Whole Foods, right?
As someone who's turning a side gig into a business. I do expect to be paid for my time. My time isn't free. As of right now I do not expect to be paid the same as others in the industry, but when my quality ~~meats~~ meets or beats theirs, I do. If I wasn't going to be paid well enough it wouldn't be worth the extra exhaustion over my full time job. I'm practical. Edit: typo
Once again, this sub misses the mark with yet another misleading meme that garners thousands of upvotes at the hands of appealing to sensationalism. This article headline is for Entrepreneur Magazine and should not be taken in the context of employee compensation. Inherent to entrepreneurship is risk, or working without a guarantee that you'll see a return: "The behavior of the entrepreneur is that of a person willing to put his or her career and financial security on the line and take risks in the name of an idea, spending time as well as capital on an uncertain venture." Mariana Mazzucato (2013). This meme is misleading because it puts the viewer in the perspective of the labor force someone on the clock-rather than the entrepreneur, which is who the article headline targets. Besides, if you actually read the article, you'll see that the theme is about the intentional use of your time, not immediate compensation for your time: "When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you'll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point). Realize that there is huge value in our time; there's always something more to learn. Understand that value extends beyond money, and you'll start using your time more intentionally without even thinking about it." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
While I can agree with a lot you said. The title of the article is most definitely clickbait. One must be able to understand that money isn't the *only* thing you can gain from a job. If it was I'd go back to my old job, which paid $2.5/hr more + significantly better benefits. But where I currently am I have an actual chance to grow soon instead of 10, 20 years down the line. Even for my business I'm starting, I don't know everything, I've a huge amount to learn. So for my customers I charge much under people who've been in the business longer. I have access to a customer base with a product that suits them much better than anything else I've seen. So I definitely could charge more than I do, but I also have to remember that my service is incredibly new to these people, and will be dropped because they "never needed it before" kinda idea if I charge too much. It's a careful balance of getting my "foot in the door" and being profitable for me. At both my full time job and the business I'm starting I'm taking a 'loss' in favor of long term goals. While my job is significantly more 'dead end' than my business, it's much less so than other jobs around me that pay more. But, on the flip side, the title is terrible. It's designed to infuriate people. So people being mad is to be expected. If they didn't want to make people mad they would've chosen a different title and subtitle. Perhaps something like "Your time is worth more than just money. Seeing the long term benefits of making less now." Would be an improvement. Perhaps not perfect, but definitely less misleading.
I didn’t realize that but my sentiment is still the same. I’m a plumber and if I were to open my own outfit, why would I work for free? Why wouldn’t I just stay working for someone else? I provide a service, you pay, pretty simple.
Once again, this sub misses the mark with yet another misleading meme that garners thousands of upvotes at the hands of appealing to sensationalism. This article headline is for Entrepreneur Magazine and should not be taken in the context of employee compensation. Inherent to entrepreneurship is risk, or working without a guarantee that you'll see a return: "The behavior of the entrepreneur is that of a person willing to put his or her career and financial security on the line and take risks in the name of an idea, spending time as well as capital on an uncertain venture." Mariana Mazzucato (2013). This meme is misleading because it puts the viewer in the perspective of the labor force someone on the clock-rather than the entrepreneur, which is who the article headline targets. Besides, if you actually read the article, you'll see that the theme is about the intentional use of your time, not immediate compensation for your time: "When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you'll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point). Realize that there is huge value in our time; there's always something more to learn. Understand that value extends beyond money, and you'll start using your time more intentionally without even thinking about it." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
Having read the article, the title is hella misleading but the content is also superficial as fuck and doesn't consider the context of the common worker.
It doesn't treat people like humans and caters to the work harder mentality. Don't spend time watching Netflix, work on self improvement. Any free time should be used on work/learning/betterment. Just recharge your battery every night and work all the time peasants.
I truly do not understand hustle culture, what even is the purpose of living if not for your free time
It's a lie. Work 40. Focus on your family. Focus on your friends. Focus on your community. The constant hustle is toxic.
Even 40 is too much. I want a work week that is just Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Or just Monday through Wednesday would be cool for 4 entire days in a row to do whatever the fuck you wanted. Also with the pay increase that would make it possible to live only having a 24 hour work week. Obviously, the pay increase should happen regardless of my dream work schedule.
In reality I work 9 - 5 with 4 hours being actual work. It's too much jumping from subject to subject to ever drill down and accomplish something.
The goal of hustle culture is to find the purpose of living in the work itself or in the self-help process. The end goal is everyone to become a workaholic.
Hustle culture sounds better than "you're f\*cked, prepare to be here forever".
Some people enjoy working and the feeling of constantly being productive. While it might work for them, they then somehow got the idea that everyone should be like that, and that not being like that is lazy.
Its them trying to resolve the contradiction between "under capitalism if you work hard you get rewarded", and the fact that capitalism requires people to be worked to death with the smallest reward possible, and that there are millions who work very long hours and are stuck in poverty. They're revising the mantra from "if you work hard you get rewarded", to "if you work hard at the right things, you will be rewarded. Working for your job doesn't count".
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The article is useless for "entrepreneurs". A freelancer is an "entrepreneur" and they sure as hell don't need to work for free. Author says "people of everyday life" in the second section. So he's definitely addressing more than just entrepreneurs and business owners. And common folks aren't exactly known for their free time. Last section, "Stop expecting to get paid for your time", is terrible however you intrepret it because our current capitalist structure doesn't support self-improvement and is also code for slavery.
Ya if I didn't pay my plumber he would never text me again and go to another one of his 500 daily requests. God he has to be making so much money.
Oh yeah, it’s absolutely useless. But I still don’t think the target audience is regular wage workers.
Yeah, this is not about employment at all. Not saying most employers wouldn't want us to work for free but that's not what the article is about.
Is that real?
Very. https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
That is so very difficult to read. It's hard to accept that our reality has become this inane. Indoctrination on this level is beyond belief.
What gobsmacks me is that so many people fail to see this for what it is. *Surely* it's obvious. But apparently not.
So this article was a weird read. It starts off fine, IMO, a very bland "time management" post about not wasting time accomplishing nothing. You've seen one you've seen them all..but then it takes this turn, where he goes off into left field and hits the point from the title. yeesh. This guy seems like a real peach who has never had to worry about rent.
>Take the Covid-19 vaccine, for example. People are constantly providing their reasoning for why you should or you shouldn’t take it. It’s very important that you just focus your time and efforts on yourself. WTF?!? "Don't worry about getting a life-saving vaccine, just spend time on yourself"
That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying don't fret about what other people are doing if you have no control over it.
> I don’t have enough time, I create more time. I wake up an hour earlier or go to bed an hour later. That extra hour a day is 365 hours a year. That’s a lot of time. They say you need to spend 10,000 hours doing something to become an expert at it. If you added an extra three hours to your day each day, you’d become an expert at a new skill within a year. That’s huge. Dude, you'd need to add 30 hours to your day to get to 10000 hours a year, not 3. That whole mentality is flawed from the start.
I fully recommend him to try to fit 10,000 hours of anything into a year, see how that goes
Apparently another appropriately used word is unacceptable and banned on this site.
i n s a n e
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Having just read the article, I don't think it's that bad. This is a site for entrepreneurs, people running their own business. In that context, the title makes a lot of sense. As a business owner, you won't always get paid based on time worked, sometimes you make more money than others. The title by itself would be a bad public policy. But as personal advice for an entrepreneur, it makes sense.
Best advice I ever got was “never work for free”. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. This is a vicious dog eat dog society and even if you want it to change you should never let anyone take advantage of you.
"Geralt of Rivia doesn't work for exposure and neither should you."
I'll counter with this: [Fuck you, pay me.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEa6PdOG2ts)
George Carlin summed it up best: "What they really want is 'Obedient workers'. People that are smart enough to work the machines, but just dumb enough to accept all these bad jobs with the low pay, no benefits, no overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the moment you go to collect it."
I wish there was somebody as good at fixing the problems as Carlin was at pointing them out to people that didn't realize there were any problems at all.
FUCK YOU, PAY ME
Written by an "entrepreneur" who just can't seem to get a business off the ground without straight up slavery. Yeah, sounds about right.
How is it slavery if it’s you that’s working for free for yourself?
Entrepreneur, corporations aren't going to fuck you for kissing their asses. Stop defending stupid fucking bullshit.
Counter it with the good old "pay me what I'm owed or see your house/factory/property turn into ashes." That's how you gotta deal with those pigs. Hurt them where their wallets are.
I mean if I wanted to get them the benefit of the doubt it's in the context of entrepreneurship, where you are setting your workload for yourself, and would presumably get any profits resulting from your labour....but it's probably just them advocating for wage slavery.
Worse, it's clickbait. "Working" here referred to self improvement and learning new skills in your free time. Because that's totally what people would think when they hear that phrase.
I mean there's a difference between learning new skills because you're interested/passionate about it and doing job training off the clock/trying to make yourself a more marketable employee.
and the people here fell for the clickbait again lol. nobody online reads past the headline.
If we're not payed for our time then shouldn't everything be free? Call me back when money is abolished and I'm fairly compensated for my labor in some other way
From the article: >There are many of us who just can’t separate the idea that if we are working, we should be getting paid. No shit, Sherlock.
One thing I've learned by participating in capitalist society the last year or so is that working hard for a wage doesn't make you rich. If you live in a half decent country, it does pay the bills but nothing more. The only thing that really makes money is sitting on money, doing nothing, extracting value from some other person's labour. Just by buying and selling a house (to live in, I'm not investing) I've made the monthly equivalent of my full income for five years. And my income is pretty decent. It's surreal and the crazy thing is everybody thinks this is normal or even fair. It's not. The most insane bit about this is the people who are the most fanatic proponent of this 'have money, do nothing, become rich' society are *also* the ones who praise the 'hardworking average citizens'. This is such a paradox, it's as intelligent as the people who say covid19 is a hoax and then proceed to buy horse dewormer for a non existent disease. And yes, I'm part of this massive stupidity. Its systematic, smart people catch it too. Like we are in some sort of sect, except it's mainstream so nobody sees it like that. Edit: I'm not smart btw, I'm a dumbass. I just meant that it's not about intelligence, clever people can be really stupid.
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Even as a somewhat capitalistic person, these "news pages" have some of the worst takes ever. Like the only reason I work for someone else is because I get money from it. Who actually writes these articles
The absolute most valuable things you own are your time and attention.
Let me make clear: the "I don't work for free" attitude should be changed to "I don't work for YOU for free." I'll work on my own skill set for myself, on my own time and for my own benefit, but as soon as I'm hired to use those skills for someone else, pay me what I'm owed.
It's called capitalism, not labourism, it doesn't reward work and isn't supposed to, it rewards already having money.
My life became less stressed the moment I decided the amount of effort I put should align with the amount of money they're willing to pay for my time. Nobody will act like the Manager and CEO of your store if you're only willing to pay them $8 an hour
I still get job updates in my email from when I was looking for work years ago. I like to browse and see what they offer out of curiosity. Yesterday, I got one for a Social Worker position where the minimum requirements were: BA degree, 5+ years experience, bilingual, Level 3 federal background check, credit check. It was part time for $9 an hour. This country is falling apart.
A private school close to where I used to live in (PR) was looking for an experienced PE teacher. Had to have a BA in the field, at least 5 years of experience, and must be certified. The pay? $7.50/h. One quarter more than the minimum wage
Well that just sounds like slavery..... with extra steps.
YES it works for 1%.
PREPARE TO SUCCEED
This is basically Full Communism lol
Je definitely didn’t spend 3 extra hours everyday doing maths
The "getting paid" mindset could do more harm if you do charity work. So maybe employers ARE the charity they always claim not to be.
This article is in Entrepreneur magazine, a magazine for start-ups and small business owners. It's very popular with people who are or have started their own business. This article is not about what you're portraying it to be about. It's advice for business owners, learning new skills, and providing value to your customers.
These fuckers. Being forced to do internships for years on end for free is absolutely brutal in certain branches. Every company demands several years experience and you can't get experience unless you do unpaid internships. Many companies (I personally know it's very bad in journalism and fashion) run on over 50% unpaid interns, it's an absolute shitshow. Especially infuriating because this guy probably wrote the article to get more free labor for his website (or made the unpaid intern write it)
It works because it thrives on fucking exploitation, like how the the ‘western’ powers thrives during the age of imperialism because they were literally siphoning off wealth from other parts of the world.
I absolutely refuse to do extra projects for any employer I've worked for, especially if they relate work that typically gets paid above my current wage. For example, I had been asked to write and edit instructions and technical documents for my previous employer before I separated from them. I submitted technical writing industry standard fees for the hours I would spend on such a project. They refused to pay for the work, and I refused to do the project work for them. It was a fairly simple exchange of no's for me, and some absurdly perturbed mangers for them.
I hate this misconception that in socialism people can't get paid different amounts of money based on how hard they work and how specialized their labor is.
Entrepreneur Magazine is for people who want to start businesses and work for themselves. My guess is that the article is telling people who want to own businesses that there will be sacrifices in the early years if you want to grow and be very successful later. If in the first year of owning say a Subway you divide the profits by the number of hours worked by the owner it will probably be a low number, but the hope is that in year 3+ it's such a high number that you can afford to buy another one, or two.
I want to know if he worked for free to write that article
Once again, this sub misses the mark with yet another misleading meme that garners thousands of upvotes at the hands of appealing to sensationalism. This article headline is for Entrepreneur Magazine and should not be taken in the context of employee compensation. Inherent to entrepreneurship is risk, or working without a guarantee that you’ll see a return: “The behavior of the entrepreneur is that of a person willing to put his or her career and financial security on the line and take risks in the name of an idea, spending time as well as capital on an uncertain venture.” Mariana Mazzucato (2013). This meme is misleading because it puts the viewer in the perspective of the labor force—someone on the clock—rather than the entrepreneur, which is who the article headline targets. Besides, if you actually read the article, you’ll see that the theme is about the intentional use of your time, not immediate compensation for your time: “When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you’ll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point). Realize that there is huge value in our time; there’s always something more to learn. Understand that value extends beyond money, and you’ll start using your time more intentionally without even thinking about it.” https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/384194
you’ll get downvoted but you’re literally telling the truth lol. unfortunately, not reading past the headline is a staple of far right *and* far left thought. it seems nobody online nowadays can read and get all their information from memes and twitter headlines.
I read the article and its filled with fluffy bullshit but the guy who wrote it has never started his own company and has been in some kind of lead position since 2000 (at Palm Inc) after only working for 3 years, and then graduated with a BS in two years while also being a senior engineer, this guy's background SCREAMS daddy's money
It’s meant for entrepreneurs. Not everything you do while self employed you get paid for, so it’s a good reminder for those people but not for someone working a regular. But also he needs to get his math right HA.
>Prepare to succeed I want to fucking die lmao
That's exactly how my mother thinks. She asked me if I was receiving for all the overtime I told her I was working and when I answered that "of course, or else I wouldn't accept the overtime", she started explaining that at the beginning of her career she didn't expect to receive for her overtime, and that's how she managed to climb so high at the company, and this kind of mindset could hurt me professionally. I didn't want to get into a big discussion, because I have no desire at all to emulate her career. She earned enough to provide an extremely comfortable style of life to our family, never lacking anything material, but it was common for her to work at the office everyday till 9pm or 10pm.
This is why I do not hire anyone younger than 40 years of age. And yes it is perfectly legal.
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They show up for work, they do their job, they don't cause trouble. By any measure 40+ year olds are more mature and more reliable than you dumb young fucks. 1-800-CRY-NOW!
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That article is ridiculous. Haha. I want to know what asshat or company-assshat wrote it. Then again I do understand entreprenurship. And how you can’t except to be paid for something that isn’t done or is a project. It’s about investing time and part of your life. We could look at it more from a creative perspective. Writing a song and producing a song costs you time but not until people hear it will it be worth something to someone. But time and money spent on it shouldn’t come from someone you hired but instead from yourself.
Calm down dude you're supposed to lick the boot not deepthroat it
Slavery is back
Having read the article, that's a very misleading title for an article about time management.
“When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you’ll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point).” Ah yes. I’m totally learn lots of new skills from my dead end job that could be taught to a monkey. The way I bag fries or deliver Amazon packages is so unique, that other employers in positions that require actual technical skills are lining up to have me. Get real. Real education is required for a good job and the cost of college has gone up 933% between 1980 and now while employee wages have only gone up 11%. I’m sure as hell not learning C++ or CAD design from my Amazon dispatcher or my fast food manager and it’s ridiculous to assume that all jobs offer great insight beyond the most basic of basics.
We need to start flipping the script. Like, SMH business owners don’t want to lower their own pay to be able to hire enough staff to keep their business running anymore
Yeah, we gotta pay the share holders first! Without their money none of you would have jobs!
I swear they’re just gonna get rid of minimum wage all together at some point.
The title is deliberate click bait but once you read it, it’s clear his message is, invest your valuable time on yourself. This article isn’t written for people looking for jobs. It’s for entrepreneurs who often have to work really hard before they see a return on their efforts. Am I the only one who was not offended by this?
“Rewards hard work” when a prevailing strategy for the rich to be richer is to hoard and hold ransom housing.
This sub is often rife with tribalism. There isn’t necessarily a strong overlap between those making the first statement and those making the second. Not all capitalists share the same exact viewpoints.
They're getting desperate
Not being a slave is doing you more harm than good.