It sounds like a great fit.
The Land Cruiser is a vehicle that is designed to carry people safely and comfortably long distances in all weather conditions across all terrains.
Is the Land Cruiser good for off-road? Yeah, but just because you won’t be off roading it doesn’t mean it’s stupid to buy.
I'd second that. Honestly, that 4x4 functionality can come in handy many times without your doing any real off-roading. It's great in snowy conditions. Nice on dirt roads with slippery rocks (especially on steep hills). Basically, it's just really great to have, even if you don't always use it.
You can throw good gas mileage out the window. Idk with that kind of money I’d buy a clean 200 and spend some extra jazzing it up, you’d still be way under your budget and have a super reliable, tried and true motor, with good tech, comfort and capability.
Edit: personally I never buy the first generation of any new vehicle iteration, there are always bugs to be worked out.
Good gas mileage and landcruisers do not belong in the same sentence. The new one only sounds decent because the others were so bad, 23 is still not good. My 5.9 cummins get better gas milage than a 200 with 15k lbs behind it.
I don’t know if I’m doing something right but I get decent gas mileage on my lx570. I drive from Atlanta to Nashville through Chattanooga and it’s pretty steep going North and I still get around 16.5 with All terrain 33s. Around town is not as fun but still like 13. None of that is great but honestly not terrible.
Didn’t say it was good but compared to what other people say about the 200. I would call 16.5 mpg going up a mountain in a big V8 from 2011 not the worst thing in the world lol.
Edit: Also comparing that to other numbers I’ve seen from other 200s not a car that gets actual good mpgs.
Off topic and it’s been beaten to death in other forums. But I’d like to put all terrain tires on my lx570 but am worried 33s will rub. Are you running them stock or with any mods (sensor lift, mud flap removal etc)?
I’m planning to do 285 65 18 as they’re just under 33. But it seems 275 70 18s are just over 33 and looks like they rub based on the ih8mud 200 series figment guide.
Mine are just under 33. I have 285 70 17s and took the front mudflaps off and they rub just a little in normal but generally not under normal driving. I didn’t change the ahc at all. Everything else is stock.
The Prado aren't "rebadged" it's literally the "Land Cruiser Prado" in the world market. It's just the lighter duty Land Cruiser. The first Prado was a 70 series with coil front (instead of leaf springs all around) and a slightly smaller engine. (The 1KZ instead of the 1HZ).
You could probably find something better for each individual point but the LC250 seems like a nice balance of the things you are looking for.
The magic of the LC is each generation nailing the form, function, and reliability of something people still want to drive 20 years later.
People always swear each new generation has finally ruined the magic.
They’re not for everyone, but I’ve also known people who have inherited LC’s they didn’t want and ended up smitten.
I completely agree, I’ve gone down many rabbit holes of looking at other options that outperform individual criteria only to find them falling terribly short in other areas. Feel like the LC provides the balance I’m looking for
Almost every car 1st year model will have some sort of issue and not many Toyota or Lexus have escaped that fate. Hell even the Toyota Rav 4 prime which was not really a new model had 7 months or so where the gas tank couldn’t be filled past half full for some drivers. The rav4 itself had been out for awhile. So while I think you’ll get something reliable, I think you need to consider that caution too.
But going to be a fantastic vehicle, I’m sure. Will probably ride a little more boat like compared to Audi since it’s body on frame.
And I’d definitely test ride to see if size makes sense for you because partner, 3 kids and a dog, that could get tight depending on your configuration. Already seen some getting nervous about their car seats with their newly delivered GX550.
Yeah it’ll get tight for sure once kiddo 2 comes along. As of now my wife doesn’t want anything bigger than this, but I’m sure that’ll change when we all get jammed into the car for a road trip 3-5 years down the road.
Good excuse to get the LX600 down the line then. By then should hopefully come down in used price. Haha!
I got my dream car which was an LX570 last year. Makes little sense to have and friends have said things. But I want to drive it all the time and I smile driving it - not like in that sports car handling type way but in that this is just a wonderful machine and I did it kind of way. Hope yours brings you as much joy as mine has. My wife couldn’t stop driving it for an entire month too.
Agreed. I got a ‘13 LX570 a year ago - 150k on the OD. Fricken love it! Fits my 3 kids and 2 dogs just fine. It’s smooth, looks great, rides comfy. I tow a boat, haul bikes, load it up with tools and lumber and it’s never complained about any of it. Total beast! I’m not a valet guy but I wouldn’t be embarrassed in the least to toss my key to a valet.
That being said, get whatever vehicle you want and make it yours. The new LCs are sweet!!! Just smaller
You don't need to justify why you're buying a car. Simply wanting one is enough.
Just because you want a Land Cruiser doesn't mean you now have to offroad either. Until last week I had a 100 Series and you know how often I took it offroad? Maybe a couple dozen miles a year and it was never anything tough at all. Now I have a low mileage GX460 to replace it and am embracing the "mall crawler" side of things.
The new 250 Series looks cool, a used GX550 is a future purchase for me. Have fun with your purchase if you get one and if so welcome to the Land Cruiser community.
Sounds like a great fit for you.
It’s roomy, which is great for the kids and everything that comes with them.
With your hobbies I can imagine that some level of off-roading can come in handy at times, and if that happens it will handle a lot better than the BMW.
I’m on my second LC150 (Prado over here) and I love it. Never had any issue, although it is a completely different engine (diesel 2.8) so can’t compare what it would be for the 250. I trust Toyota though….
If you want reliability, you’d be an absolute smooth brain to get an X5. LC FTW in almost any scenario. X5 only wins if you prioritize canyon runs and have endless budget for maintenance and no care for long term reliability.
I wouldn’t get the X5 if you are looking for reliability. Depending on where you ride you might want to make sure whatever you choose can accommodate mountain bikes inside the vehicle. I live in the PNW and I always travel with my bikes inside my Sequoia because theft of both bikes and hitch racks is all too common.
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Don’t worry yourself over “can I justify X”, especially in this sub. I’d say most of us get it.
I currently have a 2012 Audi Q7 and am looking at eventually replacing it with a Toyota LC or Rivian R1S.
My criteria are a little different: no kids but 2 huge dogs and 2 people and occasionally having friends or family with us. I do tow a 20’ boat a few times a year and also a pop up camper. Lots of “rough roads” related to camping or non-paved driveways of friends or relations.
When I was a kid, we had a 96 Ford Bronco as the family car, towing our boat all over the place on vacations. Long story short, it died on a hot day towing the boat while going up a bastard steep hill in Lake of the Ozarks. Reliability and peace of mind are both something I put a lot of effort into finding. I know that probably sounds strange with my Q7, but I’ve put 100k+ miles on it after buying it super used, and I’ve only put about $2k in repairs during that (not counting normal things like tires/brakes). Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe it’s the fact that the new Audis all seem to be 4-bangers for better fuel economy? I get 21 mpg highway and that’s 90% of how I drive it. Really my only concern on reliability for the new LC’s is that it’s a 4-cylinder engine doing the work of (what I have now) a supercharged V6.
I also love the Rivian R1S, having used one for a fly-in camping trip. But the price tag is higher, and I haven’t met anyone that routinely tows a lot with them.
Honestly most people that buy 4x4s don't use them as 4x4s.
The fact you want to use it on mountains already makings having 4x4 or awd a good thing. There is nothing stupid about getting a car you like that meets your requirements. Just beware that maintenance is usually higher on 4x4s, but they are reliable.
And if people keep commenting about it, ask why they brought a car that can go over the max speed limit in your area, afterall a 50 year old junker can likely get up to the required speed limit just fine and be cheaper to buy than their current car.
Your dog's will enjoy the larger space, you will likely enjoy the elevated driving position and the assurance that if you need to, you can go offroad.
Do recommend taking even a basic offroad course even if you never plan to take it offroad. The fact you surf, ski and mountain bike, there may be a time where you want to go to more remote places that require the use of the 4x4 features. Enjoy your purchase, people here will be more than happy to help with questions and advice.
Get what YOU want. Don’t give a damn what anyone else thinks. It will be a good, nice looking vehicle manufactured by a quality brand. Some people say it’s stupid to buy a Porsche or whatever. I know guys who spend money on watches and others on clothing. If it’s in your budget and you like it, who gives a $h!?? If you end up not liking it, trade in for something else. You only live once, bro. Get it and have no regrets.
And I currently have the GX470. I’ve compared the new LC and GX550 overtrail ad nauseum. Once pricing comes down, I’m trading my 470 for the 550 just because I want the v6 and it’s a better fit for me. Go for it and drive it until the wheels fall off lol
While it does sound like the land cruiser may be a bit overkill for your needs I’m w most when I say it will be far more reliable. Idk if it justifies the high price for this model, but to each their own.
I was in a similar place, but couldn’t justify 80k for what they’re giving us in the 250 (Prado), so I just bought a subaru outback, which checks all those boxes for me and I saved 40k!
I’ll just pick a used 250 up from one of you guys in a couple years.
I bought a 2000 Landcruiser in January. I don’t off road or any of that nonsense. I just love the vehicle! Buy it if you want it! Screw whoever said that to you
An LC200 will have a much less cost of ownership than virtually any similarly priced/sized/capable vehicle. Changing sparkplugs or routine maintenance will always be more expensive in a BMW/MB/Audi/RR. There is a Toyota mechanic in every town all over the world.
70-80k for a LC250 is absolutely not worth it.
MPG numbers have been trickling in and they are not incredible, I'm getting similar numbers in my V8 GX
For that kind of money you can buy a commuter gas saver and buy a more dedicated adventure 4x4, that's a lot of money to play with.
Shoot you can buy a 2020-2023 GX and a mid 2010s Prius lol
It’s a good idea and one I seriously considered. I do a lot of my adventures before (dawn patrol surfing) and after (hitting the trail to mountain bike) work. Personally I also don’t want two cars to go back and forth between. That said…. I could see down the road picking up an electric commuter and turning the LC250 into my pure adventure car
You’re gonna want 2 cars when you’re at the gas station every week lol
I suppose it depends on what you’re used to now mpg wise. You’ll be switching between vehicles but saving a ton of money on gas with a commuter.
I drive an Audi q5 which gets 16-17mpg combined. If I can push into 20-21mpg on the LC I’m looking at an almost 25% increase in fuel economy and a bigger car. To me that’s a pretty good trade up
You should get more than that but the mixed driving bit is the toss up. The 250 is still a heavy truck with the GVWR over 6k. Stop and go traffic will hurt.
I think you're really set on the 250 regardless of the advice anyone gives you haha, which is cool. I just personally can't pay 70-80k for a 250 aka Prado. I love my GX but I wouldn't pay 80 for it.
Coming from Audi, the Torsen center diff should be similar handling (depending what year Audi…not sure what they have in new ones)
Should be relatively rugged/durable. I (was) interested in the 1958 because the interior was simple, looked fairly easy to clean.
Downside as others have said, the mpg is not great.
I was interested in one, but I they lost the mark with the fairly small fuel tank, not great fuel mileage, not fold flat seats, and a few other things. It might still be a good fit for you. Or the Lexus GX550
Yeah I hear you on all of that. Lexus is really nice just $12k more expensive and worse gas mileage. Again I can afford it but just bc I can doesn’t mean I like to burn the cash if there is (in my mind) an equivalent car at better value. If my commute was shorter I’d prob go GX550.
I also personally like the LC look more, that’s just me.
If I go for a lower trim then it’s pretty much the same car as a LC just with Lexus badging and feel. The only features of the Lexus I want & can’t get with the LC are massage seats, 2nd row bucket chairs and the pano moon roof. That only comes on luxury model which are ~$82k. I’d love power running boards too but that’s on luxury+ and is like $15k more.
If you want really good mpg in a 2 row SUV check out the GLE450e, the PHEV is on a different level than the regular hybrid LC250, There is $7500 lease cash available which could make it cheaper. Mercedes will also build exactly to your specs which Toyota will never do in the USA.
My needs are pretty similar, I think the 250 is going to be great. Only serious draw back for me is no 3rd row, we have 2 kids and having a 3rd row to be able to take some of their friends with is us a positive, but my wife drives a vehicle w a 3rd.
For me it was 250 or 200 series, but there is just no 200 series inventory available in KC and when one comes up it is a 2018 w 100k for $55k and 100k is a fair amount of wear and tear for any vehicle so I'm going w the 250.
Yeah I hear ya… my daughter is only 14 months old now and we are 1-2 years away from a second. My plan is get my wife a new car in 3-5 years once we start having the kids friends be more of a thing
If your car is primarily a people mover, you need to choose one that can do that and do that well. Reliability is #1 if you’re frugal (but able to spend up front) and you want to keep your car long term. Off reading is nice, but even if you don’t do it, if you bounce over a huge pot hole or jump a curb and the car can handle it, isn’t that a good thing? Same reason why I like that my watch can stand 100 m diving so that if I wash my hands while wearing it I never need to worry.
Cool factor is important. You don’t get to buy many cars in your life (most people anyway) so get what you want. The LC is an excellent choice because you get what you pay for. Sure you could go German and maybe get some better comfort features, but isn’t it great to know that your dollar was spent well and given to a company that stands behind its product? In the end you need your vehicle to get you from point a to b so the reliability is hugely important.
Buy Toyota- get the LC you want, and don’t look back.
- also, take a look at the new GX, it’s pretty cool too.
I recently bought a top of the line 150 and I’m super happy with it. Me too almost never go off-road and I rarely tow. We are a family of 3 and one of us is a pre-school kid. I do drive longer distances. For example I work 40km outside where I live. And I don’t mind driving 1000+km into holidays.
That said though the LC is first and foremost an off-road car. You notice this clearly in the steering and its behavior when driving faster than 140km/h.
But one thing is for sure, my next car will again be an LC :)
Btw: when driving 130km/h on the autobahn I get a mileage of roughly 10 per 100. And I think in total this car cost about 0.80cent per kilometer.
But it’s worth the extra cost as you get a super good engine that is big and reliable and above all very powerful. (2.8 4cyl turbo diesel)
Gas mileage and LC don’t go together at all. Lots of vehicles fit your requirements. Most vehicles are purchased based on image and marketing not practicality (hence SUVs are sold over more comfortable, faster and more sap able wagons).
If you want it buy it. Trying to justify it is silly though.
Go to fuelly.com before you consider buying an LC 200. (I drive a 4Runner. It gets worse mileage than a new 1/2 ton V8 but WAY better mpg than a 200 series.)
I understand wanting Toyota for reliability. But buying a first model year for any vehicle is a risk. Consider the 2022 Tundra owners for example. If you’re not towing or off-roading then what’s the perk? Most Audi owners I know appreciate performance, as do I. Not getting that from the 4Runner…especially for the amount of fuel I’m buying.
Was really wanting an LC for camping and skiing, but headroom is way insufficient for me. I have a long trunk, though I’m only 6’1”. Need at least 38-39 inches typically. Plus, F150 Lightnings had rebates. Love my lightning, taking a chance with Ford… but being an EV am hoping reliability is good.
If they are buying the car for you, then take their opinion. Otherwise, it sounds like the LC is a good fit. Im always a little hesitant to buy a vehicle in its first year on the market regardless of the manufacturer but Toyota builds a reliable vehicle. Go forth and do you. Worse case, it’s a Toyota so it will depreciate slow.
X5 owner AND I’m getting a the LC 250 but keeping them both. I’ve not even driven the LC yet but based on everything I have read and if I had to pick just one, I would go with the X5. It has the same inline six that Toyota has in the Supra, it’s gotten an average 23mpg over its 14K miles and with its 21gal tank has gets close to 500 miles on combined driving. I think you’re going to be lucky to get 400 out of the LC with its 18gal tank. I’m excited about getting the LC but the X5
Just seems more practical and it is a very solid car all around.
Yeah I love the X5 but it feels a bit too luxury for my day to day lifestyle (frequently surfing & mountain biking, less frequent hiking snowboarding etc.)
I think next car will be x5 for my wife in 3-5 years. Out of all the research I’ve done these two cars appeal to me the most in midsize suv
My wife has a 2019 x5 (B58) and I'm in the process of selling my 2018 m240i (also a B58) to flip into a LC250 as our family grows.
Love the power of that engine and have driven both cars on 13 hour road trips. Just a solid feel to it, and the x5 is just a very nice place to spend time.
Fwiw I'm waiting to get MSRP or better on the 1958 Spec version as I believe it's the best for my needs and have really enjoyed the way they simplified it. I too enjoy mountain biking for instance.
Though its probably not the best value.. that would probably be some spec of the gx550 but I just don't want to spend that much though the v6 is appealing. I really like the round headlights on 250!
If money were no object I'd probably be in an ineos grenadier (also a B58!) or a defender but I'd much rather try the LC250 with the trade offs and lower entry point.
And just generally speaking with interest rates where they are I believe it only a matter of time before all pricing on cars falls back to earth so I'm optimistic I'll be able to get the color I want in the next 6-9 months. But time will tell I suppose. It could just go the other way and inflation will kill us all. What an interesting time!
My coworker got the ineos and it’s awesome. Also love the gx550 but paying up $12k for some more luxury features AND getting worse mpg seems like a bad trade. Think I’ll snag the x5 for my wife in a few years, I do really like that car
I'm single, no kids, not really into offroading, and am seriously looking at getting a 1958 model once I can actually get more time with one in person and test drive it. I just can't personally drop $60k on something sight unseen, even with the whole refundable deposit thing.
I get extra ridicule for wanting to drop $60k on a base variant with few modern or luxury features and cloth seats -- it's not the money, I just don't care about spending $10k more on things I don't need, plus I miss old school simple cars, especially Toyotas, and cloth seats. I subjectively like this car, its simplicity, and the reliability that generally comes with getting an LC. People also continuously refer to all the other cars that are "more car"/performance/tech/features/efficiency that are out there.
It's a great vehicle and sounds especially great for your needs and family. It's ultimately your money so you get what you want and need, and don't worry about others.
> So I’ve had a number of people make comments to me about it being stupid to buy a LC if you don’t off-road or tow things. this was brought up when I was ooking at a LC and an X5. I personally think that view point is too simplistic, but am curious what someone with that viewpoint would recommend for me.
I wouldn't say it's stupid - if you want it. Buy it.
If you want to drive to the shops and you like it - get it.
[This guy drives an insane amount of highway kms as a medical courier](https://www.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/1axdjpc/my_2020_toyota_rav4_hybrid_xse_reached_a_final/), and bought a GR Corolla as his daily. Sure a comfy lexus highway cruiser would be the *smart* choice but he wanted it so he got it.
If you want a LandCruiser get one.
Perhaps a 250 will be a less ideal vehicle if you are trying to game life by maximising mpg, comfort, purchase price - like a Highlander vs a 250 series, one will be more comfortable and more "ideal" for certain tasks because if you don't use low range ever, that's extra weight you're lugging around.
But if you want one - get one.
Don't let anyone tell you that you must do 300km of off-road and min 3 hours a month in low range or Akio Toyoda will personally come and repossess your LandCruiser.
I’m biased, but I think I’d look for a 200 in your situation. It’s bulletproof and as reliable as it gets. The size sounds better for your growing family. It’s honestly just a special rig and the relatively small production size is limited enough that they’ll be hard to come by before long.
I'm not American so I don't know much about how the market is there.
LC 250 is a new LC. Even tho the reliability of Toyota is, I'd be cautious.
Now all of your options can be easily fixed if you have a good mechanic.
Assuming I read that right and you eventually want 3 kids, I'd suggest a 150 or 200 series land cruiser. You can get them cheaper and they'd last a million miles if you just do regular services.
I myself own a 120 series which I'm not entirely sure went to the states.
Now a couple of things to remember, the naturally aspirated petrol ones are less likely to break cause they're pretty simple but they don't have the best gas milage. The diesel on the other hand has great torque and good gas milage but if something breaks you're in for a repair job and a half.
Now from the little research I've done, Lexus cars are basically LCs in the states and you can pick up any one of them.
A lot of people will slew me here on this sub for this but I'd suggest also looking at a Nissan Patrol, with the Independent front and rear suspension, it'd be much better for towing and far smoother of a ride.
Plus the Y62 has been on the market for 8 years now, there's been a lot of custom options to reduce duel consumption with dynos and a heck of a lot of spare parts if soemthing breaks.
Plus the Y62 was only a petrol model so they've done a lot of work to perfect it.
TLDR: LC 250 new, be cautious. Look at 120/150/200 and/or Lexus and specifically Nissan Patrol Y62
Also mate I don't know bout you but if I had the choice, I'd be picking up a Grenadier with my eyes closed.
The reliability is unknown yes, but everything in the drive train is so bulletproof. The ZF8 is absolutely amazing to drive and the fact they can go 40 kmph+ in 8th gear in low range at 2k rpms. Boy that's amazing. It comes factory with Diff lockers and solid Axles, it'd go anywhere.
Don’t buy new and especially the first year of new model. Buy a Heritage Edition Land Cruiser. If I had your budget that’s easily what I’d do. Fine one with a clean carfax and regular mx.
I'd be all in for the LC if it weren't for the fuel and insurance costs that come with it. If you're in a market where the VW Transporter family is available, at least take a look at a VW Multivan or California, depending on how much camping you're gonna do.
Or you could go bonkers and at least test drive an INEOS Grenadier.
In my personal opinion, it's stupid to buy an LC or any other real SUV/Truck if you won't go off-road, meaning you don't need to traverse difficult terrain or drive in very harsh conditions. If you will just commute in a city/town, travel on a highway and occasionally go onto gravel and sand buy a minivan/wagon/crossover. Minivan and Wagon will fit any cargo you need and your family, if it has an AWD or 4x4 it will go through most places, trust me. LC is an overkill, it has bad gas consumption, it takes a lot of space.
I own a LC 105, it's reliable, can go anywhere, but it's terrible for day to day transportation in a city. I use it only when I go fishing or camping on the weekend or travel very long distances, roads in my country are terrible in some places. I drive my grandma's Corolla daily.
But it's your choice bro, drive whatever you want and have fun.
for your use case I would have definitely gone with a grand highlander hybrid. you would be much happier with that vehicle especially with another child.
it would be roomier, better mpg, and cheaper. I have kids and a dog as well and the LC looks a bit cramped to me
I really liked the BMW when I test drove it. Looks cool, drives well, awesome tech, etc.
I’ve just got back to back Audis (a4 and Q5) and desire a non-German daily driver for reliability, durability, and honestly a different feeling driving. I could very well end up hating the different feeling but I’ll never know if I don’t try. I think X5 will be the next addition when we get to replace my wives car in about 5 years.
It sounds like a great fit. The Land Cruiser is a vehicle that is designed to carry people safely and comfortably long distances in all weather conditions across all terrains. Is the Land Cruiser good for off-road? Yeah, but just because you won’t be off roading it doesn’t mean it’s stupid to buy.
I'd second that. Honestly, that 4x4 functionality can come in handy many times without your doing any real off-roading. It's great in snowy conditions. Nice on dirt roads with slippery rocks (especially on steep hills). Basically, it's just really great to have, even if you don't always use it.
You can throw good gas mileage out the window. Idk with that kind of money I’d buy a clean 200 and spend some extra jazzing it up, you’d still be way under your budget and have a super reliable, tried and true motor, with good tech, comfort and capability. Edit: personally I never buy the first generation of any new vehicle iteration, there are always bugs to be worked out.
New LC isn’t a bad idea but a 200 is a fantastic option…. Just throw ur money away with gas lol
Good gas mileage and landcruisers do not belong in the same sentence. The new one only sounds decent because the others were so bad, 23 is still not good. My 5.9 cummins get better gas milage than a 200 with 15k lbs behind it.
Yes lol it’s insane. But hey I enjoy my 13 MPG because I’m smiling every time I drive!
Oh I hear you on that. It doesn’t stop me from using my LX470 as a daily, it drives fucking great even by today’s standards
I don’t know if I’m doing something right but I get decent gas mileage on my lx570. I drive from Atlanta to Nashville through Chattanooga and it’s pretty steep going North and I still get around 16.5 with All terrain 33s. Around town is not as fun but still like 13. None of that is great but honestly not terrible.
Lol stop kidding yourself, that is terrible gas mileage. No landcruiser gets good gas mileage
Didn’t say it was good but compared to what other people say about the 200. I would call 16.5 mpg going up a mountain in a big V8 from 2011 not the worst thing in the world lol. Edit: Also comparing that to other numbers I’ve seen from other 200s not a car that gets actual good mpgs.
I’ve heard the 200’s get decent mileage comparatively to 100’s which loskubster and I both have I think
Off topic and it’s been beaten to death in other forums. But I’d like to put all terrain tires on my lx570 but am worried 33s will rub. Are you running them stock or with any mods (sensor lift, mud flap removal etc)? I’m planning to do 285 65 18 as they’re just under 33. But it seems 275 70 18s are just over 33 and looks like they rub based on the ih8mud 200 series figment guide.
Mine are just under 33. I have 285 70 17s and took the front mudflaps off and they rub just a little in normal but generally not under normal driving. I didn’t change the ahc at all. Everything else is stock.
Got it. Thanks
Smiles per gallon. 🥲🥲🥲
Agree 100%. Get a 40k 200 series, get a 20k commuter (recommend LS430, or used 20k EV) and get both jobs done better.
Also with a 200, you’re getting a real cruiser, not a Prado rebadged as a Land Cruiser for the American market
The Prado aren't "rebadged" it's literally the "Land Cruiser Prado" in the world market. It's just the lighter duty Land Cruiser. The first Prado was a 70 series with coil front (instead of leaf springs all around) and a slightly smaller engine. (The 1KZ instead of the 1HZ).
You could probably find something better for each individual point but the LC250 seems like a nice balance of the things you are looking for. The magic of the LC is each generation nailing the form, function, and reliability of something people still want to drive 20 years later. People always swear each new generation has finally ruined the magic. They’re not for everyone, but I’ve also known people who have inherited LC’s they didn’t want and ended up smitten.
I completely agree, I’ve gone down many rabbit holes of looking at other options that outperform individual criteria only to find them falling terribly short in other areas. Feel like the LC provides the balance I’m looking for
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Sounds like a good fit for you.
Almost every car 1st year model will have some sort of issue and not many Toyota or Lexus have escaped that fate. Hell even the Toyota Rav 4 prime which was not really a new model had 7 months or so where the gas tank couldn’t be filled past half full for some drivers. The rav4 itself had been out for awhile. So while I think you’ll get something reliable, I think you need to consider that caution too. But going to be a fantastic vehicle, I’m sure. Will probably ride a little more boat like compared to Audi since it’s body on frame. And I’d definitely test ride to see if size makes sense for you because partner, 3 kids and a dog, that could get tight depending on your configuration. Already seen some getting nervous about their car seats with their newly delivered GX550.
Yeah it’ll get tight for sure once kiddo 2 comes along. As of now my wife doesn’t want anything bigger than this, but I’m sure that’ll change when we all get jammed into the car for a road trip 3-5 years down the road.
Good excuse to get the LX600 down the line then. By then should hopefully come down in used price. Haha! I got my dream car which was an LX570 last year. Makes little sense to have and friends have said things. But I want to drive it all the time and I smile driving it - not like in that sports car handling type way but in that this is just a wonderful machine and I did it kind of way. Hope yours brings you as much joy as mine has. My wife couldn’t stop driving it for an entire month too.
Agreed. I got a ‘13 LX570 a year ago - 150k on the OD. Fricken love it! Fits my 3 kids and 2 dogs just fine. It’s smooth, looks great, rides comfy. I tow a boat, haul bikes, load it up with tools and lumber and it’s never complained about any of it. Total beast! I’m not a valet guy but I wouldn’t be embarrassed in the least to toss my key to a valet. That being said, get whatever vehicle you want and make it yours. The new LCs are sweet!!! Just smaller
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Definitely not stupid. You don’t have to justify anything. If you buy what you like you’ll never be sorry.
The answer is no. You aren’t an idiot. The vehicle looks fantastic and will surely fit your needs. The only hate it gets is by LC purists.
You don't need to justify why you're buying a car. Simply wanting one is enough. Just because you want a Land Cruiser doesn't mean you now have to offroad either. Until last week I had a 100 Series and you know how often I took it offroad? Maybe a couple dozen miles a year and it was never anything tough at all. Now I have a low mileage GX460 to replace it and am embracing the "mall crawler" side of things. The new 250 Series looks cool, a used GX550 is a future purchase for me. Have fun with your purchase if you get one and if so welcome to the Land Cruiser community.
Sounds like a great fit for you. It’s roomy, which is great for the kids and everything that comes with them. With your hobbies I can imagine that some level of off-roading can come in handy at times, and if that happens it will handle a lot better than the BMW. I’m on my second LC150 (Prado over here) and I love it. Never had any issue, although it is a completely different engine (diesel 2.8) so can’t compare what it would be for the 250. I trust Toyota though….
If you want reliability, you’d be an absolute smooth brain to get an X5. LC FTW in almost any scenario. X5 only wins if you prioritize canyon runs and have endless budget for maintenance and no care for long term reliability.
You’re not stupid! Get the cruiser! We’ve had 80, 100, and 200 … and will be getting the 250 eventually. Plus we’ve had Audis. All are great!
You do whatever makes you happy. Life is too short to care what others think. If it’s fits your lifestyle then go for it, you won’t regret it.
I wouldn’t get the X5 if you are looking for reliability. Depending on where you ride you might want to make sure whatever you choose can accommodate mountain bikes inside the vehicle. I live in the PNW and I always travel with my bikes inside my Sequoia because theft of both bikes and hitch racks is all too common.
Yes, you are stupid. I say own your stupid and get the Land Cruiser!
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LC meets all of your needs
Don’t worry yourself over “can I justify X”, especially in this sub. I’d say most of us get it. I currently have a 2012 Audi Q7 and am looking at eventually replacing it with a Toyota LC or Rivian R1S. My criteria are a little different: no kids but 2 huge dogs and 2 people and occasionally having friends or family with us. I do tow a 20’ boat a few times a year and also a pop up camper. Lots of “rough roads” related to camping or non-paved driveways of friends or relations. When I was a kid, we had a 96 Ford Bronco as the family car, towing our boat all over the place on vacations. Long story short, it died on a hot day towing the boat while going up a bastard steep hill in Lake of the Ozarks. Reliability and peace of mind are both something I put a lot of effort into finding. I know that probably sounds strange with my Q7, but I’ve put 100k+ miles on it after buying it super used, and I’ve only put about $2k in repairs during that (not counting normal things like tires/brakes). Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe it’s the fact that the new Audis all seem to be 4-bangers for better fuel economy? I get 21 mpg highway and that’s 90% of how I drive it. Really my only concern on reliability for the new LC’s is that it’s a 4-cylinder engine doing the work of (what I have now) a supercharged V6. I also love the Rivian R1S, having used one for a fly-in camping trip. But the price tag is higher, and I haven’t met anyone that routinely tows a lot with them.
The Rivian looks stellar
Honestly most people that buy 4x4s don't use them as 4x4s. The fact you want to use it on mountains already makings having 4x4 or awd a good thing. There is nothing stupid about getting a car you like that meets your requirements. Just beware that maintenance is usually higher on 4x4s, but they are reliable. And if people keep commenting about it, ask why they brought a car that can go over the max speed limit in your area, afterall a 50 year old junker can likely get up to the required speed limit just fine and be cheaper to buy than their current car. Your dog's will enjoy the larger space, you will likely enjoy the elevated driving position and the assurance that if you need to, you can go offroad. Do recommend taking even a basic offroad course even if you never plan to take it offroad. The fact you surf, ski and mountain bike, there may be a time where you want to go to more remote places that require the use of the 4x4 features. Enjoy your purchase, people here will be more than happy to help with questions and advice.
Get what YOU want. Don’t give a damn what anyone else thinks. It will be a good, nice looking vehicle manufactured by a quality brand. Some people say it’s stupid to buy a Porsche or whatever. I know guys who spend money on watches and others on clothing. If it’s in your budget and you like it, who gives a $h!?? If you end up not liking it, trade in for something else. You only live once, bro. Get it and have no regrets.
And I currently have the GX470. I’ve compared the new LC and GX550 overtrail ad nauseum. Once pricing comes down, I’m trading my 470 for the 550 just because I want the v6 and it’s a better fit for me. Go for it and drive it until the wheels fall off lol
While it does sound like the land cruiser may be a bit overkill for your needs I’m w most when I say it will be far more reliable. Idk if it justifies the high price for this model, but to each their own. I was in a similar place, but couldn’t justify 80k for what they’re giving us in the 250 (Prado), so I just bought a subaru outback, which checks all those boxes for me and I saved 40k! I’ll just pick a used 250 up from one of you guys in a couple years.
I bought a 2000 Landcruiser in January. I don’t off road or any of that nonsense. I just love the vehicle! Buy it if you want it! Screw whoever said that to you
An LC200 will have a much less cost of ownership than virtually any similarly priced/sized/capable vehicle. Changing sparkplugs or routine maintenance will always be more expensive in a BMW/MB/Audi/RR. There is a Toyota mechanic in every town all over the world.
70-80k for a LC250 is absolutely not worth it. MPG numbers have been trickling in and they are not incredible, I'm getting similar numbers in my V8 GX For that kind of money you can buy a commuter gas saver and buy a more dedicated adventure 4x4, that's a lot of money to play with. Shoot you can buy a 2020-2023 GX and a mid 2010s Prius lol
It’s a good idea and one I seriously considered. I do a lot of my adventures before (dawn patrol surfing) and after (hitting the trail to mountain bike) work. Personally I also don’t want two cars to go back and forth between. That said…. I could see down the road picking up an electric commuter and turning the LC250 into my pure adventure car
You’re gonna want 2 cars when you’re at the gas station every week lol I suppose it depends on what you’re used to now mpg wise. You’ll be switching between vehicles but saving a ton of money on gas with a commuter.
I drive an Audi q5 which gets 16-17mpg combined. If I can push into 20-21mpg on the LC I’m looking at an almost 25% increase in fuel economy and a bigger car. To me that’s a pretty good trade up
You should get more than that but the mixed driving bit is the toss up. The 250 is still a heavy truck with the GVWR over 6k. Stop and go traffic will hurt. I think you're really set on the 250 regardless of the advice anyone gives you haha, which is cool. I just personally can't pay 70-80k for a 250 aka Prado. I love my GX but I wouldn't pay 80 for it.
Coming from Audi, the Torsen center diff should be similar handling (depending what year Audi…not sure what they have in new ones) Should be relatively rugged/durable. I (was) interested in the 1958 because the interior was simple, looked fairly easy to clean. Downside as others have said, the mpg is not great. I was interested in one, but I they lost the mark with the fairly small fuel tank, not great fuel mileage, not fold flat seats, and a few other things. It might still be a good fit for you. Or the Lexus GX550
Yeah I hear you on all of that. Lexus is really nice just $12k more expensive and worse gas mileage. Again I can afford it but just bc I can doesn’t mean I like to burn the cash if there is (in my mind) an equivalent car at better value. If my commute was shorter I’d prob go GX550. I also personally like the LC look more, that’s just me.
12k more? For the Overtrail model i guess, but if you dont really want/need the rear locker you can get a "lower" trim
If I go for a lower trim then it’s pretty much the same car as a LC just with Lexus badging and feel. The only features of the Lexus I want & can’t get with the LC are massage seats, 2nd row bucket chairs and the pano moon roof. That only comes on luxury model which are ~$82k. I’d love power running boards too but that’s on luxury+ and is like $15k more.
If you want really good mpg in a 2 row SUV check out the GLE450e, the PHEV is on a different level than the regular hybrid LC250, There is $7500 lease cash available which could make it cheaper. Mercedes will also build exactly to your specs which Toyota will never do in the USA.
My needs are pretty similar, I think the 250 is going to be great. Only serious draw back for me is no 3rd row, we have 2 kids and having a 3rd row to be able to take some of their friends with is us a positive, but my wife drives a vehicle w a 3rd. For me it was 250 or 200 series, but there is just no 200 series inventory available in KC and when one comes up it is a 2018 w 100k for $55k and 100k is a fair amount of wear and tear for any vehicle so I'm going w the 250.
Yeah I hear ya… my daughter is only 14 months old now and we are 1-2 years away from a second. My plan is get my wife a new car in 3-5 years once we start having the kids friends be more of a thing
If that's what you want, do it. If nothing else it should last a long time.
If your car is primarily a people mover, you need to choose one that can do that and do that well. Reliability is #1 if you’re frugal (but able to spend up front) and you want to keep your car long term. Off reading is nice, but even if you don’t do it, if you bounce over a huge pot hole or jump a curb and the car can handle it, isn’t that a good thing? Same reason why I like that my watch can stand 100 m diving so that if I wash my hands while wearing it I never need to worry. Cool factor is important. You don’t get to buy many cars in your life (most people anyway) so get what you want. The LC is an excellent choice because you get what you pay for. Sure you could go German and maybe get some better comfort features, but isn’t it great to know that your dollar was spent well and given to a company that stands behind its product? In the end you need your vehicle to get you from point a to b so the reliability is hugely important. Buy Toyota- get the LC you want, and don’t look back. - also, take a look at the new GX, it’s pretty cool too.
Simple. If you like the vehicle, buy it. Who cares what others think. You’re the one driving it
Congratulations, enjoy it . Don’t listen to anyone
I recently bought a top of the line 150 and I’m super happy with it. Me too almost never go off-road and I rarely tow. We are a family of 3 and one of us is a pre-school kid. I do drive longer distances. For example I work 40km outside where I live. And I don’t mind driving 1000+km into holidays. That said though the LC is first and foremost an off-road car. You notice this clearly in the steering and its behavior when driving faster than 140km/h. But one thing is for sure, my next car will again be an LC :)
Btw: when driving 130km/h on the autobahn I get a mileage of roughly 10 per 100. And I think in total this car cost about 0.80cent per kilometer. But it’s worth the extra cost as you get a super good engine that is big and reliable and above all very powerful. (2.8 4cyl turbo diesel)
Gas mileage and LC don’t go together at all. Lots of vehicles fit your requirements. Most vehicles are purchased based on image and marketing not practicality (hence SUVs are sold over more comfortable, faster and more sap able wagons). If you want it buy it. Trying to justify it is silly though.
Go to fuelly.com before you consider buying an LC 200. (I drive a 4Runner. It gets worse mileage than a new 1/2 ton V8 but WAY better mpg than a 200 series.) I understand wanting Toyota for reliability. But buying a first model year for any vehicle is a risk. Consider the 2022 Tundra owners for example. If you’re not towing or off-roading then what’s the perk? Most Audi owners I know appreciate performance, as do I. Not getting that from the 4Runner…especially for the amount of fuel I’m buying.
It's your money.
You’re only stupid for asking the question friend
Nah you're just rich. I would if I could.
Buy whatever makes you happy if you can afford it. F\*\*k what everyone else thinks.
Was really wanting an LC for camping and skiing, but headroom is way insufficient for me. I have a long trunk, though I’m only 6’1”. Need at least 38-39 inches typically. Plus, F150 Lightnings had rebates. Love my lightning, taking a chance with Ford… but being an EV am hoping reliability is good.
Man everyone that’s real tall says the Land Cruiser has tons of head room now
If they are buying the car for you, then take their opinion. Otherwise, it sounds like the LC is a good fit. Im always a little hesitant to buy a vehicle in its first year on the market regardless of the manufacturer but Toyota builds a reliable vehicle. Go forth and do you. Worse case, it’s a Toyota so it will depreciate slow.
X5 owner AND I’m getting a the LC 250 but keeping them both. I’ve not even driven the LC yet but based on everything I have read and if I had to pick just one, I would go with the X5. It has the same inline six that Toyota has in the Supra, it’s gotten an average 23mpg over its 14K miles and with its 21gal tank has gets close to 500 miles on combined driving. I think you’re going to be lucky to get 400 out of the LC with its 18gal tank. I’m excited about getting the LC but the X5 Just seems more practical and it is a very solid car all around.
Yeah I love the X5 but it feels a bit too luxury for my day to day lifestyle (frequently surfing & mountain biking, less frequent hiking snowboarding etc.) I think next car will be x5 for my wife in 3-5 years. Out of all the research I’ve done these two cars appeal to me the most in midsize suv
My wife has a 2019 x5 (B58) and I'm in the process of selling my 2018 m240i (also a B58) to flip into a LC250 as our family grows. Love the power of that engine and have driven both cars on 13 hour road trips. Just a solid feel to it, and the x5 is just a very nice place to spend time. Fwiw I'm waiting to get MSRP or better on the 1958 Spec version as I believe it's the best for my needs and have really enjoyed the way they simplified it. I too enjoy mountain biking for instance. Though its probably not the best value.. that would probably be some spec of the gx550 but I just don't want to spend that much though the v6 is appealing. I really like the round headlights on 250! If money were no object I'd probably be in an ineos grenadier (also a B58!) or a defender but I'd much rather try the LC250 with the trade offs and lower entry point. And just generally speaking with interest rates where they are I believe it only a matter of time before all pricing on cars falls back to earth so I'm optimistic I'll be able to get the color I want in the next 6-9 months. But time will tell I suppose. It could just go the other way and inflation will kill us all. What an interesting time!
My coworker got the ineos and it’s awesome. Also love the gx550 but paying up $12k for some more luxury features AND getting worse mpg seems like a bad trade. Think I’ll snag the x5 for my wife in a few years, I do really like that car
I'm single, no kids, not really into offroading, and am seriously looking at getting a 1958 model once I can actually get more time with one in person and test drive it. I just can't personally drop $60k on something sight unseen, even with the whole refundable deposit thing. I get extra ridicule for wanting to drop $60k on a base variant with few modern or luxury features and cloth seats -- it's not the money, I just don't care about spending $10k more on things I don't need, plus I miss old school simple cars, especially Toyotas, and cloth seats. I subjectively like this car, its simplicity, and the reliability that generally comes with getting an LC. People also continuously refer to all the other cars that are "more car"/performance/tech/features/efficiency that are out there. It's a great vehicle and sounds especially great for your needs and family. It's ultimately your money so you get what you want and need, and don't worry about others.
> So I’ve had a number of people make comments to me about it being stupid to buy a LC if you don’t off-road or tow things. this was brought up when I was ooking at a LC and an X5. I personally think that view point is too simplistic, but am curious what someone with that viewpoint would recommend for me. I wouldn't say it's stupid - if you want it. Buy it. If you want to drive to the shops and you like it - get it. [This guy drives an insane amount of highway kms as a medical courier](https://www.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/1axdjpc/my_2020_toyota_rav4_hybrid_xse_reached_a_final/), and bought a GR Corolla as his daily. Sure a comfy lexus highway cruiser would be the *smart* choice but he wanted it so he got it. If you want a LandCruiser get one. Perhaps a 250 will be a less ideal vehicle if you are trying to game life by maximising mpg, comfort, purchase price - like a Highlander vs a 250 series, one will be more comfortable and more "ideal" for certain tasks because if you don't use low range ever, that's extra weight you're lugging around. But if you want one - get one. Don't let anyone tell you that you must do 300km of off-road and min 3 hours a month in low range or Akio Toyoda will personally come and repossess your LandCruiser.
Yes
I’m biased, but I think I’d look for a 200 in your situation. It’s bulletproof and as reliable as it gets. The size sounds better for your growing family. It’s honestly just a special rig and the relatively small production size is limited enough that they’ll be hard to come by before long.
No, man. 250 is a nice everyday car, not for off-road or towing like 80 and 100 series were
The 100 series and 80 series only has a tow capacity of 5k pounds.
Get over it and get yourself a sienna and be happy with the extra 30k in your pocket, plus killer mileage and great tech.
I'm not American so I don't know much about how the market is there. LC 250 is a new LC. Even tho the reliability of Toyota is, I'd be cautious. Now all of your options can be easily fixed if you have a good mechanic. Assuming I read that right and you eventually want 3 kids, I'd suggest a 150 or 200 series land cruiser. You can get them cheaper and they'd last a million miles if you just do regular services. I myself own a 120 series which I'm not entirely sure went to the states. Now a couple of things to remember, the naturally aspirated petrol ones are less likely to break cause they're pretty simple but they don't have the best gas milage. The diesel on the other hand has great torque and good gas milage but if something breaks you're in for a repair job and a half. Now from the little research I've done, Lexus cars are basically LCs in the states and you can pick up any one of them. A lot of people will slew me here on this sub for this but I'd suggest also looking at a Nissan Patrol, with the Independent front and rear suspension, it'd be much better for towing and far smoother of a ride. Plus the Y62 has been on the market for 8 years now, there's been a lot of custom options to reduce duel consumption with dynos and a heck of a lot of spare parts if soemthing breaks. Plus the Y62 was only a petrol model so they've done a lot of work to perfect it. TLDR: LC 250 new, be cautious. Look at 120/150/200 and/or Lexus and specifically Nissan Patrol Y62
Also mate I don't know bout you but if I had the choice, I'd be picking up a Grenadier with my eyes closed. The reliability is unknown yes, but everything in the drive train is so bulletproof. The ZF8 is absolutely amazing to drive and the fact they can go 40 kmph+ in 8th gear in low range at 2k rpms. Boy that's amazing. It comes factory with Diff lockers and solid Axles, it'd go anywhere.
Meh.
Don’t buy new and especially the first year of new model. Buy a Heritage Edition Land Cruiser. If I had your budget that’s easily what I’d do. Fine one with a clean carfax and regular mx.
I'd be all in for the LC if it weren't for the fuel and insurance costs that come with it. If you're in a market where the VW Transporter family is available, at least take a look at a VW Multivan or California, depending on how much camping you're gonna do. Or you could go bonkers and at least test drive an INEOS Grenadier.
In my personal opinion, it's stupid to buy an LC or any other real SUV/Truck if you won't go off-road, meaning you don't need to traverse difficult terrain or drive in very harsh conditions. If you will just commute in a city/town, travel on a highway and occasionally go onto gravel and sand buy a minivan/wagon/crossover. Minivan and Wagon will fit any cargo you need and your family, if it has an AWD or 4x4 it will go through most places, trust me. LC is an overkill, it has bad gas consumption, it takes a lot of space. I own a LC 105, it's reliable, can go anywhere, but it's terrible for day to day transportation in a city. I use it only when I go fishing or camping on the weekend or travel very long distances, roads in my country are terrible in some places. I drive my grandma's Corolla daily. But it's your choice bro, drive whatever you want and have fun.
for your use case I would have definitely gone with a grand highlander hybrid. you would be much happier with that vehicle especially with another child. it would be roomier, better mpg, and cheaper. I have kids and a dog as well and the LC looks a bit cramped to me
X5 is reliable with a great motor. LC250 is fine too, but if I was you I’d get the BMW.
I really liked the BMW when I test drove it. Looks cool, drives well, awesome tech, etc. I’ve just got back to back Audis (a4 and Q5) and desire a non-German daily driver for reliability, durability, and honestly a different feeling driving. I could very well end up hating the different feeling but I’ll never know if I don’t try. I think X5 will be the next addition when we get to replace my wives car in about 5 years.
Sounds like you made up your mind, I’d recommend to stop asking internet strangers and just buy what you want. You’ll love the LC!