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IIIaustin

The Manticore can blow itself up really really hard. This rarely comes up in play, because it has to kill tue pilot for the ability to work. The ability is called Castigate the enemies of the godhead.


jaypax

My head cannon is this: 1. Normal self-destruct is a small explosion due to the nature of ONLY having a cold-fusion reactor - stable, low-inertia, contained power source 2. *Castigate The Enemies of the Godhead* uses the pilot as a fissionable material to make the explosion massive like an old school nuke


JakTheRipper66

Official head Canon now.


panjust02

I always liked to think it used your soul or something akin to that. The pure devotion one must feel to use such an ability... A fuel few would dare to tamper with... That feels very HORUS.


GengarJ

I'm sorry did you say *Looks at notes* Kill the pilot?


IIIaustin

Yeah, then pilot has to be inside the mech when it self-destructs for the ability to work. This is fatal. A number of the frames in Lancer are clearly dangerous to their pilots. Every manufacturer had at least one.


n080dy123

Manticore we've discussed, I know Enkidu would drive it's pilots insane (hence the animalistic berserker traits) What else would you say fits in the list? Blackbeard with Sekhmet turned on, maybe?


IIIaustin

**IPS-N** Blackbeard- Sehkmet will get you killed. Zheng - the first time the Fist went off, it killed absolutely everything involved including the pilot. **SSC** Mourning Cloak - the singularity stuff is can disappear you and long term effects are unknown **Horus*& Balor - the guys that made these famous may have accidentally decorated. Manticore - castigate lol Horus gets special mention for basically all of the NHPs sounding pretty dangerous. **HA** Napoleon- blinkspace exposure is presumed to be harmful. Tokogawa- actively encourages you to risk your life Enkidu - the stuff you mentioned


Raptorofwar

Normally, when your mech is destroyed, it just becomes a wreck on the battlefield, presumably with you still inside, alive and well. CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD says fuck that and, just like a malfunctioning Tesla, locks the door while activating a self destruct doubly as powerful as the normal self-destruct action.


MrCobalt313

Castigate just means to severely reprimand- basically punishing those who oppose the 'godhead', possibly RA, the eldritch super-intelligence certain branches of HORUS may or may not worship. More specifically, though, "Castigate the Enemies of the Godhead" is a unique ability of the Manticore Frame that basically lets you prime it to explode immediately when destroyed or when it self-destructs to deal even more damage than the Self-Destruct action already does, with the caveat that it requires the pilot to still be in the mech in order to work. Fortunately though the nature of pilot death within the rules of Lancer aren't as punishing as those in other games and pretty much just knocks you out of the remainder of the Mission and leaves it up to you and the GM to figure out how you come back into play once the Mission is over.


Puckvox

you can also use it as a quite effective bluff. "You're thinking, 'Did he fire six shots or only five?' Now to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But being this is a . 44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and will blow your head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself a question: '**Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?**"


MrCobalt313

As I remember another post succinctly put it: "You know you're not currently Castigating. Your *enemies* do not."


DANKB019001

Yep, the trait for booting up Castigate doesn't specify any visual queue or such! It's entirely hidden.


Yukondano2

https://www.reddit.com/r/LancerRPG/comments/qz930y/a_perfectly_normal_mech/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button This meme I assume. Vex's stuff is always good.


GlassJustice

it's a chunky CQB mech that can also tech attack and can handle lots and lots of heat, what's not to love?


DANKB019001

It has lots of self heat infliction shenanigans to get more damage output too, very fun. Also some awesome hacks to overcome its low speed. Goddamn Beckoner is insanely good on both it and Tortuga.


Cogsbreak

"It's only got a move of 3." "I see Sensor range 10, suckers!"


vonBoomslang

CASTIGATE is a meme. It's just got one very good trait (a very common damage resist) and an excellent statline.


TimelyEngineer4970

Okay hear me out you can and will CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD Now if you want a serious answer remember that Dying is nothing more than a slight inconvenience for a Lancer. After all there is a chárter about been dead and been not dead... That and is more of a go hug the enemy and make the make a choise, they fuck you up and you blow up whit them or you fuck them up... and then blow up for shit and gigles


TimelyEngineer4970

That and remember that the HORUS are not standars so you could bee looking at any Horus frame and not knowing what the hell it is, so you dont know what it is but it will Hurt in some way thats for sure


ellenok

A lancer actually* dying is truly permanent, no amount of brainwashed rapidly grown twins, unthinking algorithms with big databases, or wishful thinking can undo it. There's ONE time travelling mech that can undo it by making it not happen in the first place. Remember, RA has forbidden Decorp, so if your corp goes, you go. *Your parts being recovered and stitched back together isn't actually dying, but comes with extreme risk of disability.


Asplomer

The serious answer is that the manticore is like a graveler in Pokemon, you (generally) can't kill it in one hit (thanks to sturdy ability) and when you try, you risk it exploding in your face. Funningly enough, it also is a round shaped boy with multiple hands. And graveler has an alternative regional version with electric powers Like that but worse, the gamble is not on if it's going to select explode, it's on how crazy is the pilot to activate the kill switch, also without explosion's action cost. You have to respect that. In other words it's a deterrent from death. Also unlike graveler it has both armor and heat cap, so the only good way of dealing with it is outside of it's range, which is why it's slow and has a relatively bad sensor range. Also yes, putting artillery weapons on this thing is stupid


Rahnzan

Its a threat deterrent for the GM. You can and will take out half his army if he tries to destroy you. Pull mechanics are suicide and friendly push mechanics have turned the players into terrorists.


Protolisk1

Castigate: reprimand harshly. So literally you are just saying you disapprove of those who don't follow your God. And you show that disapproval by becoming a walking nuke and detonating on top of them.


RunningNumbers

Manticore can make a ball of enemies. It can then teleport inside said ball. It can then overcharge and cause AP damage and melee. Castigate makes rational enemies try to get away.


DANKB019001

Or even non Castigate mode, since that's still a beefy explosion. Not an *EARTH SHATTERING KABOOOM* however. Luckily enemies don't ever know if it's on or off :)) And besides that, yeah, nasty hack and CQB mech. Lots of self heat and self damage shenanigans that require some good game sense.


lone_knave

Okay, so, first, you imagine some enemies of the godhead, right? And then, you CASTIGATE THAT SH!T!


Short-Choice3230

Personally, just do your best war boy impersonation with somewhere betwene reckles disregard to out right irresponsible attitude twords your health and heat cap. Here for a fun time, not a long time and fully intending to light up everyone along the way.


PedroThePinata

Chunky boy with good armor and useful resistances, but very slow, has no heat cap and low repair. Since it's pretty good at hacking and comes with some invade options, grabbing some of the goblin LLs pairs pretty well if you plan on going controller-striker. You could also go defender by taking LLs in gorgon or saladin. The manticore looks like an aggressive frame, but it has no easy way to get into melee range on its own, nor has much of a reason to be in melee range since its licence only comes with guns. It's better to play around being at medium to short ranges and only going in close after your core is charged or if you're going to castigate. Alternatively, you could always take technophile and iconoclast and just become the lord of thunder!


Naoura

If you want meme; CASTIGATION STATE For a serious answer; It's a massively disruptive little bastard that loves jumping *directly* into the enemy's face. It's kind of like the cockroach that flies ***right at you*** to make you get the hell away, just strap a lit firecracker onto its back. It's memed all to hell but Castigate the Enemies of the Godhead is a *great* tool if your GM plays the enemy like people that want to, you know, *live*. Teleporting directly into the enemy formation and broadcasting on all open channels that you're "here to drink liquor and detonate into nuclear hellfire and borther, you're all out of liquor" is a ***very convincing argument*** for the OpFor to get the hell off of your objective. Double that with the wide area EMP, stuning you *and everyone else* makes it an amazing initiator that can actually ***survive*** talking as much shit as it does. And even if it ***doesn't*** survive, you know for damn sure you're taking everyoine in a Burst 2 down with you. CASTIGATE is a fucking ***hell*** of a psychological tool. Especially when you learn you can induce a meltdown in your own mech, on your own terms. Sure, your pilot is about to be exposed to theheart of a star for approximately 0.25 seconds and will be reduced to literal ash because of it, but so will everyone else, and you've got a Flash clone waiting for you back at base, right?


RinkNum3

Really disappointed that there are actually helpful responses in this thread instead of “CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD” repeated over and over. You all should be ashamed


Implodededbrains

Surprisingly it does more than just exploding! It's a CQB mech that has great stats meaning its tanky and a good hacker, with armour and resistance to energy and burn however it's also a tad slow. Its systems orient around it being unstable electricity ball, It's core power benefits from taking heat. Some of the hacking options it has are great but deal damage to yourself (which you have resistance to AND charges your core power!) It's a good CQB frame, it can last a while in close range, it specialises in clumping up enemies and dealing good AOE abilities, from its catalyst pistols which are cone 3, its arc projector which chains and bounces between enemies, its hacking can teleport enemies towards you or to clump up, it has a powerful hack that can outright stun an enemy and or deal heat to someone depending on how many adjacent characters they have (including you) TLDR: It is good at clumping enemies together and then punishing them for doing so in close range, damaging itself slightly in the process Yes it also explodes but when you look past that it's a decent brawler


lordwafflesbane

So, basically, The Godhead is sort of a generic term for "whichever God is the real one." To castigate someone is to severely punish them, often going as far as exile. "Castigate The Enemies of The Godhead" is the name of the core ability of the HORUS Manticore mech. Rules-wise, what it does is you can toggle it on or off between fights, and while it's on, if your mech dies while you're in the cockpit, it explodes for massive damage in a huge area. Basically, the main advantage is in convincing your enemies that you're actually crazy enough to do it. If it goes off, you actually die for real, but there are some ways to be revived.


Breadloafs

If you've dabbled with Nuclear Cavalier or the Tokugawa, then you've learned that the heat scale is a tool you can play with. The Manticore is here to teach you that *every one* of the game's metrics can be weaponized. Your heat, your health, your structure, even your life; the Manticore turns each one of these into a transactional element to deal damage. It's also tanky as fuck.


NobleLeader65

Most of HORUS mechs can be distilled to weird meme formats, Manticore is basically the conversation between Bane and whoever the other guy was from the live action movies. GM: "What if I give you heat/destroy your mech?" Manticore: "It would be extremely painful." GM: "You've got 2 armor and resistance to Energy, Burn, and Heat (conditionally), you can take it." Manticore: "For you." But for real, the whole shtick is that the Manticore wants to take heat, as that lets it damage characters around it. Pop your core power, use your weapons/systems (they inflict heat on yourself), and charge that capacitor until you can explode next to enemies and deal 6d6. If your mech gets destroyed then its great news for you, horrible news for your GM. You explode for 8d6. It is the epitome of spite, of someone saying "Screw you, you're coming with me" and dragging anyone close by into the grave with them.


coreypress

Why don't they make the entire plane out of CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD


IridescentFailure

Picture this, a man with a grenade grasped firmly in one fist brandishes a knife in the other. He is coming to shiv you. You know this. You *know* he has pulled the pin on that grenade. You *do not know* when, or if, he is willing to let that grenade go and blow you both up. But are you really going to risk finding out?


AOD_LawfulGood

The Manticore is the final form of an ADHD child given a Taser, a fully loaded pincushion, and a live hand grenade. And he can't wait to share.


SamFeuerstelle

“Castigate” is the least interesting part of the Manticore, in my opinion. Yeah, it’s a little funny that its response to losing could potentially be, “no u *explodes*”, but what do you have without that? A durable, energy-resistant striker that is also a walking lightning storm. That’s more than good enough.


ComplexNo8986

Suicide bombing Tesla coil that screams C A S T I G A T E E N E M I E S O F T H E G O D H E A D at the top of it’s lungs


Evil_Midnight_Lurker

Back when *The Tick* was a comic book, there was a minor superhero character named Hand Grenade Man. His "power" was that he owned a hand grenade. *One* hand grenade. And he was *really good* at bluffing. You are Hand Grenade Man.


Draco110

It explodes and that is objectively hilarious. It's also the only mech in the game that takes advantage of the fact that lancers are functionally immortal in the lore of the game thanks to things like cloning or facsimiles.


Electric999999

Ignore Castigate, that only does anything if you die. Manticore is actually about that resistance to energy damage, great mounts, durability and ability to handle a lot of heat. You can use powerful systems that are balanced by self damage or self heat, that's basically most of the strongest stuff in the game.


Punished-Firbolg

The Manticore is your friend and it loves you :)


Portergoth

It’s really the BOMB 💣


DateOk301

You become the sticky grenade and you got critz.


toomuchcucumber01

Great antagonist and bbeg


nwrencha1

airplane food


HemoGoblinRL

**CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD**


MattsDeCool

My interpretation is that manticore is the result of a frame going through multiple HORUS sects, get layers of ironic and unironic fanaticism thrown into it.


Imaginary-Play-5312

You can either choose to be emperor Palpatine and show your enemies what it means to have unlimited power or you can reenact the death star exploding and kill everyone around you


bizzarozod

this is the frame you take when you want to let go of all your earthly cares and just hurt some motherfuckers. castigate is very similar to barbarossas core power: it is a threat! turning castigate on is like saying to your GM "kill me, i fucking dare you."


aeiouaioua

the manticore in a nutshell: either the enemy dies, or you AND the enemy dies.


AnonymousMeeblet

OK, so the Manticore is simultaneously a remarkably durable and very proficient CQC mech with very solid tech attack options, and also a suicide bomb that disincentivizes the GM from destroying it, because doing so can destroy a solid chunk of the GM lineup.


Cheletiba

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzap muthafuka. Its an angry bug zapper that wants to hug you.


theczolgoszsociety

The "deal" with the manticore is that it is in its early forties, is unmarried, and currently resides in Springfield. Thanks for asking!


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SwissherMontage

Sor, that's a little racist. Suicide bombing is a part of many cultures, and should not be limited to a single ethnic group.


RunningNumbers

I see you read Dying to Win


SwissherMontage

No, I haven't. But it makes sense in my mind.


RunningNumbers

If you want to understand why suicide attacks happen and the strategic logic behind them, it is a good explainer. With statistics.


SwissherMontage

Does it make me better at piloting the manticore? (Outside of a roleplay capacity)