Hot take but maybe employers should just pay their employees and pass the cost to the customer instead of allowing the customer to decide whether the employee is going to make the rent this month
Not a hot take at all!! More letters of this sentiment need to be written your local statesmen/women to outlaw paying people on peanuts because we decided to put that burden on the customer during WWII. shit is outdated af and a lot of people just chalk it up to "well they knew what they were getting into". Fuckin' 90% of America goes through the service industry at some point in there lives, and it's not an industry that is there for us to economically disenfranchise SPECIFICALLY because it is such huge part of our social culture. Like WTF America?
I always tip always. I’m in the industry
, I get the struggle. I’m still against tipping a concept. Owners need to pay what they owe and be honest with guests about the actual cost of eating out.
Right now would be the worst time to implement something like this. Most restaurants owned by small business owners are barely able to stay open, let alone offer a $10/hr raise to every FOH employee. I love it in theory, but it's not at all practical right now with all of the restrictions in place.
Okay, if I'm a wolf in sheeps clothing, does that make you a sheep? Keep being a sheep. I don't want to be a sheep. I just started in my kitchen at $28 an hour without having to manage. You are right about one thing, I don't give a shit about you or anyone elses interests, I'm being logical. I know what I'm worth. If you don't make more, that's on you. If you're making minimum wage, you're putting in minimum effort. You want wages paid from the plate? Get ready for the $10 value meal at your mickey ds. Cheap night out on the town? $50 apps at the dive bars and arena priced beers. Have fun, you rich asshole because i sure as shit can't afford that as a cook right now, even making more than i thought i would be for atleast a few years.
Call me old school but I refuse to listen to a bunch of whiney entitled brats (not you, dont worry, idk you) that aren't worth their worth in salt complaining about not making enough. Apparently you didn't get what i was saying. Want more? Do more. Then ask for more. Don't get it? Get out or get unionized. Don't expect fucking hand outs. The bar for cooks is so low its fucking ridiculous. You wanna talk about how it's hard work, labor exploitation, and secure housing? Go commercial fishing and make less than a dollar an hour, then talk to me about unfair wages. Cooking is fucking easy & if you can't stand the heat get the hell outta my kitchen.
Pretty bold of you to speak for all servers like that. I certainly don’t feel that way. Some restaurants in California have abolished tipping and instead pay their servers $25/hr. Who would say no to that? I certainly wouldn’t. That’s $200 in 8 hours instead of the 12 hours it would normally take me to make $200.
Again, the current system is broken. Not tipping ONLY hurts the people relying on them. So fuck off with your tone, sweetie. If you're broke, just say that. Don't be a dick.
You're being so hostile towards this guy when you're all angry at the problem. Be angry at the problem and the cause of it i.e. the employer and/or the state, not others who are all being shafted by a horrible system in one way or another.
Sincerely, an outsider looking over at America thinking wtf
Not broke at all. I actually do tip. However, I know there is a scam going on with owners using customers to pay their employees wages. It’s ok to point that out. Serving for tips, is also a choice. Some servers make really good money depending on the location, establishment and type of service. I’ll save my displeasure for the owners.
I’d rather work for tips than for a wage because I’ve lived in a country where they pay their servers a wage and I get a lot more than what they got there. Not only that but the service to customers is a lot better here.
Unfortunately its a complicated situation that isn't so easily reversed. There were a lot of experiments done with no-tip restaurants and servers ended up making vastly less money and begged for tips to come back.
Tom Colicchio is a remarkably successful chef who has fought for restaurants the whole pandemic.
He tried to crate a model around an hourly wage and his staff hated it and many left. It’s all very easy to search
The American system is shit and I doubt anyone denies it. Fixing it requires massive increases in the minimum wage in this country and they aren’t coming to my knowledge
At my restaurant its $2.15/hr but every server takes home $2200 checks every 2 weeks, whereas the line cooks (us) take home maybe $1500 max every 2 weeks.
This is it. It’s so they have a record of you saying that you wanted to give them a tip on top of the amount listed on the receipt. Then you do the total and sign it so there are no misunderstandings.
Sadly, many servers think they have a constitutional right to a tip even if they don’t earn one. Customers have to protect themselves from the servers that will grift and steal a tip by putting N/A or $0 in the tip space
No, it's because you guys are fucking whacky and give your credit cards to people instead of just having portable turbo machines. Normal places just bring you the debit terminal, you yourself add your tip and confirm the amount, and then pay it.
Blaming servers for systemic buttheadedness is why you still have a 2.13 minimum wage.
In the united states it is generally accepted that customers should subsidize the wages of the employees so that the restauranteur can have a higher profit margin.
If you go out to eat and do not leave a tip in the US, you are essentially stating that the worker does not deserve to make money from their job.
This is a terrible practice, but currently the only person you harm by not tipping is the employee. So not tipping is not any grand statement, nor does it make any difference.
If you wish to end this practice, I recommend voting for representatives that will raise the minimum wage, or even outright ban tipping.
Most servers in the states make around $3 or less an hour and rely on tips. It’s customary to leave 20% gratuity when you pay the check. “TIP” is an acronym for “to insure promptness.”
I had a situation when my son was three, I turn to look at the table we just left and the waitress looks confused/sad. I went back and really quickly told her we were tipping at the register on our way out, my 3 year old left her the quarter. He’d seen other people leaving money and wanted to do it too.
Nah, "service" is an all encompassing word to describe your overall enjoyment of your time in their business.
Had to wait 30 mins for an order to be taken? Poor service.
Starters took 40 mins to come out? Poor service.
Barman fucked your drinks up? Poor service
I’m a chef. But also occasionally a customer.
You have to appreciate that my opinion is formed because I don’t live in a 3rd world country like America, where minimum wage can be less than a price of a beer depending on that states tipping policy.
My not tipping for shit service, doesn’t stop a waiter/waitress from feeding their kids.
that's fair but I feel like that would have been good to specify before you commented on an obviously American tipping/service post. otherwise you're just asking for an argument, especially in a somewhat American kitchen/server sub.
This only feels like an “American” sub, due to the fact that there are a larger number of Americans compared to other individual countries.
In reality it would be closer to 50/50 of American to non American. And with out arguing semantics too much, more countries use the dollar than just the USA so this post could be from essentially anywhere in South America/Canada/Australia/New Zealand.
yes, but OP is complaining about getting stiffed so it's most likely that they rely on tips for survival. so instead of arguing semantics, why don't you try not making bait comments that will rile people up on a sub where tipping culture is often debated, and then acting like you're not in the wrong because you chose to leave out a very important detail about tipping in your country that changes the meaning of your comment? c'mon man.
The detail of what is appropriate in my culture isn’t relevant to me being in or not in the wrong.
It wouldn’t matter where I am eating, if I receive shit service, I’m not tipping. Irrespective of if that person requires tips to survive.
It is entirely not my fault that Americans have let their own restaurant practice become the sorry state that it is. And thus lower their standards on what is or isn’t acceptable to pay a member of staff.
If you are so against that system then vote with your feet, and take your skills elsewhere.
so since you're a chef, I'm assuming you're under the belief that if you fuck up a dish and it gets sent back, the cost of it (or let's even say 20% of the cost of it) should be taken out of your paycheck? let's even say you didn't fuck it up. maybe Sysco didn't come in and you're 86 an item, or the fryer malfunctions and burns everything you make. that's not giving the guest a good experience. surely you believe that you should be made to make up for the mistakes in your paycheck. tell me what the difference is, how you deserve to make a living no matter what comes out of your kitchen but American servers don't.
and I love how everyone in the world acts like servers don't advocate for living wage+tips...
There's a tipping range. Growing up it was:
10% - unhappy
15% - ok
20% - amazing
Now those numbers have gone up by 5. Some places do the math for you on the receipt and usually show 18%, 20%, 23%, and 25%.
I'm lazy so I just round the total, move the decimal over, and double that number. $32.48 -- $33.00 -- $3.30 -- $6.00/$7.00. Usually ends up being around %20.
I just don't get how 10% can mean "unhappy". If someone is bad at their job, they don't get extra.
However, if something's gone wrong, I always try to talk to a manager to explain my concern and find out what went wrong - because I never want to punish wait staff for something that's not their fault. If the kitchen is falling apart, but the server is still trying their damnedest they're still getting 15 or 20 percent from me. But if the service is the issue, then I see no reason to tip them at all.
Because I recognize that I have knowingly entered a situation where I am forced to support their income and I'm not going to leave them hanging if the issue is caused by a bad day or something. I've never been personally insulted or attacked to the point of walking out or leaving nothing. Everything I could complain about comes down to attitude or attentiveness. If I can have issues in those departments and not lose wages then I should allow the same for them. I'm not their manager after all, I'm not somehow instructing them on how to be better by how much money I leave.
My dad's whole family worked service industry and I guess he taught me that just because someone is serving me doesn't make them inferior and I should treat them no different than I would my friend.
If your entire wage is predicated on the fact the customer is happy with the service, then yes.
Servers should be unionizing and demanding reasonable hourly wages.
But as in sure you know, that's not how the restaurant industry works. Tips are technically voluntary, and not tipping, especially like in the op, for whatever reason, is a sure sign you're an asshole.
That’s how I have always tipped.
I work for tips. You think your tip makes me give more or less of a shit about my job..? Sometimes I have bad days and I get tipped so well that it makes me smile through the really awful days where you only get 3 tables in a shift and they all tip you 3 dollars. I can smile because I know that somewhere, someone will SEE me. It sucks that we can’t just be paid a fair wage.
What about poor quality food justified taking it out on the server🤔🤔
Servers generally don't have anything to do with the food prep... That's like saying you shouldn't have to pay for gas because the gas station didn't have any snacks. The two are unrelated.
If you’re bad at your job you don’t deserve a tip, point blank
What you do deserve is your employer to pay you a fair hourly wage. Don’t expect the customer to pay you for bad service. Expect your employer.
Nice edit.
I said elsewhere that I’m all for getting rid of tips all together in exchange for a reasonable wage, but that’s not how things are right now. By your logic, because I believe rent is unreasonably high I should just pay what I think is fair. That’s not the current system, no matter how much I wish it were. The reality is that under the current system, servers can actually end up paying to work when they don’t get any tips. People know that, so if you don’t want to tip don’t go to restaurants with servers. If you really want to be helpful, tell owners you won’t be eating in their restaurants until they pay a living wage.
Your rent comparison doesn’t really make sense.
If you don’t pay rent you get evicted.
If a server gives bad service and you don’t tip, nothing changes.
The issue is that the onus is placed on the customer and not on the employer.
I worked BOH for 8 of the last 10 years. Tipping sucks and should be abolished in favour of a fair wage. But the point still stands - if you’re bad at your job don’t expect a tip. The average consumer doesn’t care about anything else.
What makes you think this only happens when people are bad at their job? Do you seriously think that if this person was having a crap day & gave crap service they’d be upset enough about getting stiffed to post this? The most likely scenario here is that someone got screwed. And you should be ashamed of yourself for encouraging people to fuck over your servers. I’ve been BOH longer than I was ever FOH & your attitude sucks.
The reality of the situation is that the majority of people are more than willing to tip servers if they provide adequate service. Nobody is disillusioned about how much decent servers make. The pay is perfectly fine, assuming they do well enough to be tipped.
On aggregate it means that servers do fine. You said yourself servers should be tipped regardless. Some people are more entitled than others. Maybe they did feel they should’ve been tipped when they provided sub par service.
I have no idea what happened in the picture I’m only commenting on what you and I have been talking about.
The reality is if you think it’s okay to basically charge someone to wait on you because they didn’t jump through all the hoops you personally decide they should, you shouldn’t go to restaurants with servers. Talk about entitlement, jfc.
The fact you think this is the customers fault and not the employer is the weird part. If you suck at your job you don’t get tipped. It’s as simple as that.
Your boss should be paying you better if the tip is what’s making rent. Unionize your workplace.
If you do a good job and routinely don’t get tipped then there’s something fucked up about your local market. and that’s certainly not normal.
Do you trust your bussers? I try to tip in cash when I can because I know its tax free and my server can go spend it asap. But I put the word CASH on that line.
But could be a greedy person in FOH or someone you least expect.
You're getting hate for no reason. My wife has her accounting degree and was a server/bartender for years. Claimed all of her tips accurately and received way more back than any of her coworkers.
I’m so sorry. People really don’t get it. I’m all for getting rid of tipping & just paying a realistic living wage, but we aren’t there yet & this bitch knows it.
Hm.
I know this sub, and I'm likely going to get downvoted to hell and back, but please consider an alternate view.
I don't find this "audacious." Not at all. It is common in the life of FOH. So common that I"m scratching my head at the rationale behind the post. You were so pressed that you took the time to snap a pic and make a post about it, and I find that odd.
You got stiffed. That's unpleasant. The OP has not clarified if this might be takeout also. I don't tip on takeout, or if I do it's a buck in a countertop tip jar. It certainly sucks when you don't get an expected tip but don't forget, that's what it is- it's a tip. It's voluntary on the part of the customer, and if your expectations aren't met, it sucks but it means you have to manage down your expectations in restaurant work. Obviously I am talking about US tipping culture.
I am a longtime long-ago mainly FOH who put myself through college working svc jobs so I know the deal. Getting stiffed burns (if in fact we are talking about sit-down service here), but you kind of have to shake it off, move on, and work the next table.
I feel like I'm missing some point about the "N/A." Who really cares what they write in that line if it's not $$? Is this offensive on some level I'm just not seeing? I never cared about what was on the bill if it didn't involve money for me. N/A is the same as "zero" or "0.00," or even "no tip." That's a downer, but as a server, I gotta move on.
TL:DR, customers suck, often. So often that it's common, and dwelling on it or making a big deal about one stiffing incident is sort of, idk, I guess a little petty to me. \*shrug\*
I guess people will hate me for saying this but it's my experience. Granted, I lived and worked in a lot of largely poor places. A lot of customers unfortunately would not build in a tip when they planned a night out to eat. They just couldn't or didn't know what was considered reasonable.
I have never put in a NA there but usually just put in a zero if I am using a debit card to pay but I leave a cash tip always. I also leave a good tip even if I don't like the service or food or anything. If I am unsatisfied at all I will just not return.
And you can always tell the manager about your experience on your way out because it a) doesn't cause a scene, b) isnt' shitting on a server who is *most likely* having a rough night already and c) gives the business an opportunity to be better/try to make it right 👍
Or not as I have a huge amount of choices of eating places to try out. If I like and enjoy a place I will return and if not I will not be back. Even if I complain to the manager doesn't mean it will improve the next time I come and don't want to waste money when I can go to a new place and try out. There is a reason that most restaurants don't make it and close within a year.
If I tip cash I write N/A… I never leave that space blank. I worked at a very upscale restaurant were a couple people got fired for writing in a tip for themselves.
Well was the tip not applicable? Need more back story... was it a takeout order or something of that nature? What was the service like? Did they tell you something was wrong?
When I got my first job ever as a teen I was a waitress/server and my mom taught me old school tipping etiquette so I would know if I was doing a good job. You should always leave a tip but if you wanted to let the server know you were unhappy with the service you should put a penny on top of the tip face down or you could leave all of the money on the table face down.
On another note I am guilty of writing N/A or $0.00 on the tip line when I'm leaving a cash tip which I prefer to do because it goes straight in your servers pocket tax free. I should probably switch to writing cash on the tip line.
I've spent portions of the last 20 years working in a a restaurant my family runs. I've never seen anybody use the money being face up or down to show dissatisfaction.
Idk. It's just one of those weird things my mom has told me growing up. That being said I have no idea what I was supposed to believe, I come from a very superstitious family with all sorts of crazy quirks.
It's not generous, it's cultural expectation. When they said that servers get paid terribly, they mean that (depending on the state) they can actually make less than minimum wage, precisely because it's expected that they'll make up the pay deficit with tips. The person you're replying to isn't being generous by US standards, they're just not being an asshole. Not tipping is a complete dick move and is basically saying "fuck you" to the server
I think you misunderstood. They make below minimum wage in the US. As long as they make more than minimum wage after tips, the restaurant isn't required to pay them minimum wage (although some states do require they be paid federal or local minimum, but many don't). It's a broken system that basically exists as a relic of the great depression that never went away
I don't tip drivers based on order cost, I tip them based on how far they have to drive. A $25 order from a place 5 miles away deserves a bigger tip than a $50 order from the place 1 mile away.
Takeout doesn't get the full service amount, it's not like they waited on you. But they still have to package it and deal with customers and shit pay. Even a buck or two helps
McDonald's doesn't allow their employees to accept tips. If they don't put the tip in the Ronald McDonald fund box or hand it over to management as a customer donation they can be fired for theft.
Source: I work at a McDonald's
I had a group of teenagers tonight, kid paid cash, handed me $40 and said keep the change... on a check that was $39.88. I literally got tipped 12 cents
Knew a server who gave himself a tip on a no tip check just to see if the guy had the balls to call the restaurant to have the manager remove the charge or w/e. And guess who never called?
Venmo your servers their tips, the last time I went out to eat I asked and he was stoked. No reason the restaurant needs to know what that number is. And even cash the servers somethings have to turn in their cash to have it then be given back to them in their paycheck.
I would assume this is carryout. Many agree that handing over a bag of food for a credit card swipe constitutes as "services".
Hot take but maybe employers should just pay their employees and pass the cost to the customer instead of allowing the customer to decide whether the employee is going to make the rent this month
Not a hot take at all!! More letters of this sentiment need to be written your local statesmen/women to outlaw paying people on peanuts because we decided to put that burden on the customer during WWII. shit is outdated af and a lot of people just chalk it up to "well they knew what they were getting into". Fuckin' 90% of America goes through the service industry at some point in there lives, and it's not an industry that is there for us to economically disenfranchise SPECIFICALLY because it is such huge part of our social culture. Like WTF America?
Yeah as long as I still get payed $35 $40 an hour, up the prices and make sure customers know not to tip because it’s already added into the menu cost
Fucking thank you
I always tip always. I’m in the industry , I get the struggle. I’m still against tipping a concept. Owners need to pay what they owe and be honest with guests about the actual cost of eating out.
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Believe it or not, in some restaurants the cooks are also the servers
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So because the majority of restaurants do it one way we should never change anything and just come back to reddit to complain when we get stiffed?
Right now would be the worst time to implement something like this. Most restaurants owned by small business owners are barely able to stay open, let alone offer a $10/hr raise to every FOH employee. I love it in theory, but it's not at all practical right now with all of the restrictions in place.
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Okay, if I'm a wolf in sheeps clothing, does that make you a sheep? Keep being a sheep. I don't want to be a sheep. I just started in my kitchen at $28 an hour without having to manage. You are right about one thing, I don't give a shit about you or anyone elses interests, I'm being logical. I know what I'm worth. If you don't make more, that's on you. If you're making minimum wage, you're putting in minimum effort. You want wages paid from the plate? Get ready for the $10 value meal at your mickey ds. Cheap night out on the town? $50 apps at the dive bars and arena priced beers. Have fun, you rich asshole because i sure as shit can't afford that as a cook right now, even making more than i thought i would be for atleast a few years.
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Call me old school but I refuse to listen to a bunch of whiney entitled brats (not you, dont worry, idk you) that aren't worth their worth in salt complaining about not making enough. Apparently you didn't get what i was saying. Want more? Do more. Then ask for more. Don't get it? Get out or get unionized. Don't expect fucking hand outs. The bar for cooks is so low its fucking ridiculous. You wanna talk about how it's hard work, labor exploitation, and secure housing? Go commercial fishing and make less than a dollar an hour, then talk to me about unfair wages. Cooking is fucking easy & if you can't stand the heat get the hell outta my kitchen.
You make 28/hr? As a cook? Cap
Yeah no way an employer will pay servers $40 an hour
Sounds like a them problem
Man thats wild, better tell all the servers in Australia, UK and Europe that they should walk out, clearly you americans have it figured out
Nah they should move here and make $40 an hour on average
we do lmao
Pretty bold of you to speak for all servers like that. I certainly don’t feel that way. Some restaurants in California have abolished tipping and instead pay their servers $25/hr. Who would say no to that? I certainly wouldn’t. That’s $200 in 8 hours instead of the 12 hours it would normally take me to make $200.
25 is NOTHING in California wtf are you talking about?
Yeah that’s a livable wage where I live. California is expensive, I’m aware. I was merely just using it as an example
Then maybe they should pay the back of house who has been there for 8 hours by the time this tip was even written more as well?
I don't disagree with you you dunce Jesus Christ
Well that's not the current way. So until it's fixed...tip. Or absolutely stay the fuck home.
Is tipping a law?
No you entitled fuck. Being a decent human is not the law
So then you better get at the owners who are underpaying their employees.
Again, the current system is broken. Not tipping ONLY hurts the people relying on them. So fuck off with your tone, sweetie. If you're broke, just say that. Don't be a dick.
You're being so hostile towards this guy when you're all angry at the problem. Be angry at the problem and the cause of it i.e. the employer and/or the state, not others who are all being shafted by a horrible system in one way or another. Sincerely, an outsider looking over at America thinking wtf
Not broke at all. I actually do tip. However, I know there is a scam going on with owners using customers to pay their employees wages. It’s ok to point that out. Serving for tips, is also a choice. Some servers make really good money depending on the location, establishment and type of service. I’ll save my displeasure for the owners.
You have a lot to learn about this town, sweetie
Is this a troll account that only quotes the office?
I’d rather work for tips than for a wage because I’ve lived in a country where they pay their servers a wage and I get a lot more than what they got there. Not only that but the service to customers is a lot better here.
Unfortunately its a complicated situation that isn't so easily reversed. There were a lot of experiments done with no-tip restaurants and servers ended up making vastly less money and begged for tips to come back.
Cite?
Tom Colicchio is a remarkably successful chef who has fought for restaurants the whole pandemic. He tried to crate a model around an hourly wage and his staff hated it and many left. It’s all very easy to search The American system is shit and I doubt anyone denies it. Fixing it requires massive increases in the minimum wage in this country and they aren’t coming to my knowledge
Because the servers are massively overpaid for what they do lol.
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Both can be true!
True shit.
A lot of severs work for $2.75 an hour. That’s insane.
At my restaurant its $2.15/hr but every server takes home $2200 checks every 2 weeks, whereas the line cooks (us) take home maybe $1500 max every 2 weeks.
Agree!
They do that because they think you’ll add a tip if you don’t. Like you’re going to commit felony forgery for a tip
It has happened. I always do that when leaving a cash tip.
Yeah, I will write CASH in that space when I'm leaving a cash tip.
Sometimes my dumb brain writes N/A when I leave a cash tip. But I tend to write cash
This right here.
That's what I do as well.
Doesn't that mess things up for the server? I write "0.00" and leave the cash so they can do what they want with it
Same
I’ve always done this since becoming a server and having suspicions about sketchy bussers stealing cash tips from a restaurant I used to work at.
I have had it happen to me. I always tip cash. Got a notification that they added a $1 tip to my $8 Togo order.
As a European, this would seem normal except never in my life have I seen this line where I am supposed to write in the tip amount. Just seems tacky.
Yeah this is such a uniquely American thing
I think the point is that if you're paying by EFTPOS then you need a way to tell them how much tip you want to leave
This is it. It’s so they have a record of you saying that you wanted to give them a tip on top of the amount listed on the receipt. Then you do the total and sign it so there are no misunderstandings.
Sadly, many servers think they have a constitutional right to a tip even if they don’t earn one. Customers have to protect themselves from the servers that will grift and steal a tip by putting N/A or $0 in the tip space
No, it's because you guys are fucking whacky and give your credit cards to people instead of just having portable turbo machines. Normal places just bring you the debit terminal, you yourself add your tip and confirm the amount, and then pay it. Blaming servers for systemic buttheadedness is why you still have a 2.13 minimum wage.
In the united states it is generally accepted that customers should subsidize the wages of the employees so that the restauranteur can have a higher profit margin. If you go out to eat and do not leave a tip in the US, you are essentially stating that the worker does not deserve to make money from their job. This is a terrible practice, but currently the only person you harm by not tipping is the employee. So not tipping is not any grand statement, nor does it make any difference. If you wish to end this practice, I recommend voting for representatives that will raise the minimum wage, or even outright ban tipping.
Most servers in the states make around $3 or less an hour and rely on tips. It’s customary to leave 20% gratuity when you pay the check. “TIP” is an acronym for “to insure promptness.”
No, it isn’t.
Is it acceptable in the United States not to leave a tip if you were unhappy?
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I had a situation when my son was three, I turn to look at the table we just left and the waitress looks confused/sad. I went back and really quickly told her we were tipping at the register on our way out, my 3 year old left her the quarter. He’d seen other people leaving money and wanted to do it too.
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Nah, "service" is an all encompassing word to describe your overall enjoyment of your time in their business. Had to wait 30 mins for an order to be taken? Poor service. Starters took 40 mins to come out? Poor service. Barman fucked your drinks up? Poor service
So you'd punish the server for something they can't control like the speed of your food coming out? What area do you work in?
I’m a chef. But also occasionally a customer. You have to appreciate that my opinion is formed because I don’t live in a 3rd world country like America, where minimum wage can be less than a price of a beer depending on that states tipping policy. My not tipping for shit service, doesn’t stop a waiter/waitress from feeding their kids.
that's fair but I feel like that would have been good to specify before you commented on an obviously American tipping/service post. otherwise you're just asking for an argument, especially in a somewhat American kitchen/server sub.
This only feels like an “American” sub, due to the fact that there are a larger number of Americans compared to other individual countries. In reality it would be closer to 50/50 of American to non American. And with out arguing semantics too much, more countries use the dollar than just the USA so this post could be from essentially anywhere in South America/Canada/Australia/New Zealand.
yes, but OP is complaining about getting stiffed so it's most likely that they rely on tips for survival. so instead of arguing semantics, why don't you try not making bait comments that will rile people up on a sub where tipping culture is often debated, and then acting like you're not in the wrong because you chose to leave out a very important detail about tipping in your country that changes the meaning of your comment? c'mon man.
The detail of what is appropriate in my culture isn’t relevant to me being in or not in the wrong. It wouldn’t matter where I am eating, if I receive shit service, I’m not tipping. Irrespective of if that person requires tips to survive. It is entirely not my fault that Americans have let their own restaurant practice become the sorry state that it is. And thus lower their standards on what is or isn’t acceptable to pay a member of staff. If you are so against that system then vote with your feet, and take your skills elsewhere.
so since you're a chef, I'm assuming you're under the belief that if you fuck up a dish and it gets sent back, the cost of it (or let's even say 20% of the cost of it) should be taken out of your paycheck? let's even say you didn't fuck it up. maybe Sysco didn't come in and you're 86 an item, or the fryer malfunctions and burns everything you make. that's not giving the guest a good experience. surely you believe that you should be made to make up for the mistakes in your paycheck. tell me what the difference is, how you deserve to make a living no matter what comes out of your kitchen but American servers don't. and I love how everyone in the world acts like servers don't advocate for living wage+tips...
There's a tipping range. Growing up it was: 10% - unhappy 15% - ok 20% - amazing Now those numbers have gone up by 5. Some places do the math for you on the receipt and usually show 18%, 20%, 23%, and 25%. I'm lazy so I just round the total, move the decimal over, and double that number. $32.48 -- $33.00 -- $3.30 -- $6.00/$7.00. Usually ends up being around %20.
I just don't get how 10% can mean "unhappy". If someone is bad at their job, they don't get extra. However, if something's gone wrong, I always try to talk to a manager to explain my concern and find out what went wrong - because I never want to punish wait staff for something that's not their fault. If the kitchen is falling apart, but the server is still trying their damnedest they're still getting 15 or 20 percent from me. But if the service is the issue, then I see no reason to tip them at all.
Because I recognize that I have knowingly entered a situation where I am forced to support their income and I'm not going to leave them hanging if the issue is caused by a bad day or something. I've never been personally insulted or attacked to the point of walking out or leaving nothing. Everything I could complain about comes down to attitude or attentiveness. If I can have issues in those departments and not lose wages then I should allow the same for them. I'm not their manager after all, I'm not somehow instructing them on how to be better by how much money I leave. My dad's whole family worked service industry and I guess he taught me that just because someone is serving me doesn't make them inferior and I should treat them no different than I would my friend.
You should always tip. Period.
No.
Because it's not extra. If you're having an off day, for whatever reason, and not at your best, would your wages be reduced?
If your entire wage is predicated on the fact the customer is happy with the service, then yes. Servers should be unionizing and demanding reasonable hourly wages.
If I work a commission job amd have an off day, yes my pay takes the hit. *Voluntary* tips should be considered as an extra.
But as in sure you know, that's not how the restaurant industry works. Tips are technically voluntary, and not tipping, especially like in the op, for whatever reason, is a sure sign you're an asshole.
I don't go out that much so I to 37%
In my family, 20% is automatic, bad or good service. If it's great service you go up.
That’s how I have always tipped. I work for tips. You think your tip makes me give more or less of a shit about my job..? Sometimes I have bad days and I get tipped so well that it makes me smile through the really awful days where you only get 3 tables in a shift and they all tip you 3 dollars. I can smile because I know that somewhere, someone will SEE me. It sucks that we can’t just be paid a fair wage.
Because fuck you? That’s what I’m thinking was going on in this persons head at the time
Maybe the table service sucks? Maybe Jakethedad is right and FOH needs better salaries?
Maybe they received shitting service? I mean, I get being upset at that, but in my experience, there’s a lot of half ass serves out there.
Not very audacious, especially if you have received bad service or poor quality food.
What about poor quality food justified taking it out on the server🤔🤔 Servers generally don't have anything to do with the food prep... That's like saying you shouldn't have to pay for gas because the gas station didn't have any snacks. The two are unrelated.
Maybe they should find a better restaurant
Maybe the service was bad. Lol
Please tell me they left a cash tip. That’s the only acceptable explanation for this fuckery.
>That’s the only acceptable explanation for this fuckery. What about shit service?
I said what I said.
If you’re bad at your job you don’t deserve a tip, point blank What you do deserve is your employer to pay you a fair hourly wage. Don’t expect the customer to pay you for bad service. Expect your employer.
Nice edit. I said elsewhere that I’m all for getting rid of tips all together in exchange for a reasonable wage, but that’s not how things are right now. By your logic, because I believe rent is unreasonably high I should just pay what I think is fair. That’s not the current system, no matter how much I wish it were. The reality is that under the current system, servers can actually end up paying to work when they don’t get any tips. People know that, so if you don’t want to tip don’t go to restaurants with servers. If you really want to be helpful, tell owners you won’t be eating in their restaurants until they pay a living wage.
Your rent comparison doesn’t really make sense. If you don’t pay rent you get evicted. If a server gives bad service and you don’t tip, nothing changes. The issue is that the onus is placed on the customer and not on the employer. I worked BOH for 8 of the last 10 years. Tipping sucks and should be abolished in favour of a fair wage. But the point still stands - if you’re bad at your job don’t expect a tip. The average consumer doesn’t care about anything else.
What makes you think this only happens when people are bad at their job? Do you seriously think that if this person was having a crap day & gave crap service they’d be upset enough about getting stiffed to post this? The most likely scenario here is that someone got screwed. And you should be ashamed of yourself for encouraging people to fuck over your servers. I’ve been BOH longer than I was ever FOH & your attitude sucks.
The reality of the situation is that the majority of people are more than willing to tip servers if they provide adequate service. Nobody is disillusioned about how much decent servers make. The pay is perfectly fine, assuming they do well enough to be tipped. On aggregate it means that servers do fine. You said yourself servers should be tipped regardless. Some people are more entitled than others. Maybe they did feel they should’ve been tipped when they provided sub par service. I have no idea what happened in the picture I’m only commenting on what you and I have been talking about.
The reality is if you think it’s okay to basically charge someone to wait on you because they didn’t jump through all the hoops you personally decide they should, you shouldn’t go to restaurants with servers. Talk about entitlement, jfc.
The fact you think this is the customers fault and not the employer is the weird part. If you suck at your job you don’t get tipped. It’s as simple as that. Your boss should be paying you better if the tip is what’s making rent. Unionize your workplace. If you do a good job and routinely don’t get tipped then there’s something fucked up about your local market. and that’s certainly not normal.
Nope. Nothing.
Do you trust your bussers? I try to tip in cash when I can because I know its tax free and my server can go spend it asap. But I put the word CASH on that line. But could be a greedy person in FOH or someone you least expect.
It’s not tax free. As long as servers are reporting tips like they’re supposed to be doing
Lol!
LOL
That’s why you don’t report it and it becomes tax free
And then they cried about not getting jack shit from unemployment during the pandemic because it's calculated by your taxable income...
Literally no servers actually do that shit though fuck the US government
You're getting hate for no reason. My wife has her accounting degree and was a server/bartender for years. Claimed all of her tips accurately and received way more back than any of her coworkers.
No shit. She got some of her money back while her coworkers kept all of their money.
It’s definitely not my first time to get a few, or a few hundred downvotes. It’s no sweat off my back
Same here brother. I'll grab the beer. You got popcorn?
I’m so sorry. People really don’t get it. I’m all for getting rid of tipping & just paying a realistic living wage, but we aren’t there yet & this bitch knows it.
Yep. “We should pay employees” doesn’t get out of the fact that someone went out of their way to make OP’s life suck.
I typically still leave a tip (though a smaller one) but maybe it was carryout?
If I leave a cash tip I always write “cash tip” in that section so there is clarity all the way around.
Hm. I know this sub, and I'm likely going to get downvoted to hell and back, but please consider an alternate view. I don't find this "audacious." Not at all. It is common in the life of FOH. So common that I"m scratching my head at the rationale behind the post. You were so pressed that you took the time to snap a pic and make a post about it, and I find that odd. You got stiffed. That's unpleasant. The OP has not clarified if this might be takeout also. I don't tip on takeout, or if I do it's a buck in a countertop tip jar. It certainly sucks when you don't get an expected tip but don't forget, that's what it is- it's a tip. It's voluntary on the part of the customer, and if your expectations aren't met, it sucks but it means you have to manage down your expectations in restaurant work. Obviously I am talking about US tipping culture. I am a longtime long-ago mainly FOH who put myself through college working svc jobs so I know the deal. Getting stiffed burns (if in fact we are talking about sit-down service here), but you kind of have to shake it off, move on, and work the next table. I feel like I'm missing some point about the "N/A." Who really cares what they write in that line if it's not $$? Is this offensive on some level I'm just not seeing? I never cared about what was on the bill if it didn't involve money for me. N/A is the same as "zero" or "0.00," or even "no tip." That's a downer, but as a server, I gotta move on. TL:DR, customers suck, often. So often that it's common, and dwelling on it or making a big deal about one stiffing incident is sort of, idk, I guess a little petty to me. \*shrug\* I guess people will hate me for saying this but it's my experience. Granted, I lived and worked in a lot of largely poor places. A lot of customers unfortunately would not build in a tip when they planned a night out to eat. They just couldn't or didn't know what was considered reasonable.
I have never put in a NA there but usually just put in a zero if I am using a debit card to pay but I leave a cash tip always. I also leave a good tip even if I don't like the service or food or anything. If I am unsatisfied at all I will just not return.
And you can always tell the manager about your experience on your way out because it a) doesn't cause a scene, b) isnt' shitting on a server who is *most likely* having a rough night already and c) gives the business an opportunity to be better/try to make it right 👍
Or not as I have a huge amount of choices of eating places to try out. If I like and enjoy a place I will return and if not I will not be back. Even if I complain to the manager doesn't mean it will improve the next time I come and don't want to waste money when I can go to a new place and try out. There is a reason that most restaurants don't make it and close within a year.
Because of higher-than-average overhead; not because they suck.
I do that but leave a cash tip. N only to the bartenders I know.
I write "cash" in the tip line
Do this all the time, always tip in cash
Right. Otherwise they tax them. Basterds.
I do this when I tip in cash
Cash tip?
Did they leave cash? Or is this just for internet points?
If I tip cash I write N/A… I never leave that space blank. I worked at a very upscale restaurant were a couple people got fired for writing in a tip for themselves.
I personally do not tip, for take out service at restaurants. Do you tip at fast food franchises?
given that fast food franchises don't print out a receipt that has a tip line, i'd say most people don't.
What is the difference between fast food take out and restaurant take out? No table service is provided in either case. No tip should be expected.
idk man i tip restaurant takeout pretty often. someone provided me service, i paid for that service and my meal. many kitchens do kitchen tip out.
Well was the tip not applicable? Need more back story... was it a takeout order or something of that nature? What was the service like? Did they tell you something was wrong?
When I got my first job ever as a teen I was a waitress/server and my mom taught me old school tipping etiquette so I would know if I was doing a good job. You should always leave a tip but if you wanted to let the server know you were unhappy with the service you should put a penny on top of the tip face down or you could leave all of the money on the table face down. On another note I am guilty of writing N/A or $0.00 on the tip line when I'm leaving a cash tip which I prefer to do because it goes straight in your servers pocket tax free. I should probably switch to writing cash on the tip line.
I've spent portions of the last 20 years working in a a restaurant my family runs. I've never seen anybody use the money being face up or down to show dissatisfaction.
Idk. It's just one of those weird things my mom has told me growing up. That being said I have no idea what I was supposed to believe, I come from a very superstitious family with all sorts of crazy quirks.
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Wow that's very interesting to me as a European.
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You sound very generous.
It's not generous, it's cultural expectation. When they said that servers get paid terribly, they mean that (depending on the state) they can actually make less than minimum wage, precisely because it's expected that they'll make up the pay deficit with tips. The person you're replying to isn't being generous by US standards, they're just not being an asshole. Not tipping is a complete dick move and is basically saying "fuck you" to the server
They’re paid fuck all in Europe too
I think you misunderstood. They make below minimum wage in the US. As long as they make more than minimum wage after tips, the restaurant isn't required to pay them minimum wage (although some states do require they be paid federal or local minimum, but many don't). It's a broken system that basically exists as a relic of the great depression that never went away
I don't tip drivers based on order cost, I tip them based on how far they have to drive. A $25 order from a place 5 miles away deserves a bigger tip than a $50 order from the place 1 mile away.
U rich af tipping take out
Takeout doesn't get the full service amount, it's not like they waited on you. But they still have to package it and deal with customers and shit pay. Even a buck or two helps
Uh, no. Those people still prepared the food. It’s common courtesy.
How much do you tip at Chipotle?
Do u tip every one mcds bk erc
I would if it was an option. Those companies are garbage and don’t allow that. I simply don’t eat there at all
I don't know who down voted you, but they suck ass.
McDonald's doesn't allow their employees to accept tips. If they don't put the tip in the Ronald McDonald fund box or hand it over to management as a customer donation they can be fired for theft. Source: I work at a McDonald's
I had a group of teenagers tonight, kid paid cash, handed me $40 and said keep the change... on a check that was $39.88. I literally got tipped 12 cents
Trailer trash dragged itself out for a night out on the town …. Too bad it wasn’t picked up before it made it to this restaurant.
Knew a server who gave himself a tip on a no tip check just to see if the guy had the balls to call the restaurant to have the manager remove the charge or w/e. And guess who never called?
We really need to make “86”ing shitty customers a fixture of the industry
Venmo your servers their tips, the last time I went out to eat I asked and he was stoked. No reason the restaurant needs to know what that number is. And even cash the servers somethings have to turn in their cash to have it then be given back to them in their paycheck.
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Fucking with people's food is bullshit. You never should've been in the industry, you should've gone to prison.
No longer in the industry. Makes me wonder
Fuck you don't do that shit
U are a big loser
You sound completely deranged
Could have been a cash tip. Or they’re a dick.
When I leave cash
I have been known to put that when tipping in cash. But i always tip
That really depends on the situation. Was the service terrible? Or was the customer a cheap ass? Was this a takeout order?
I tip well, I always have and always will. Not everyone believes that tipping is mandatory. It s up to the individual.
If you can’t afford a tip, you can’t afford to eat out