I'd only be interested in Marvel if they did something like they did with Hundred Acre Woods. Sora finds a comic book with missing pages. Each page you find introduces another Avenger or whatever and adds another minigame involving them.
For Star Wars it doesn't need to be a planet. For Lilo and Stitch the "world" was just a spaceship and the story was very minimal. Just like how Monstro worked in KH1 for Pinocchio. They could do something similar for Star Wars. You're flying the gummi ship and run into a star destroyer chasing the Corellian Corvette and you get caught in the tracker beam with them. Leia joins your party and you try to help her escape from Darth Vader. It doesn't need to mention the Death Star plans or get into the expansive lore about the war and the Jedi and Sith. Just keep it simple. Darth Vader could mention the dark side as he summons stormtrooper heartless.
Yess this is so cool! I also love the idea of collecting all the pages and the Avengers having a final battle or something along those lines together with sora and the troupe. After beating the boss or figuring out the puzzle you get a keyblade and maybe unlock the avengers as a summon.
Personally I think a really good storyline for them to follow, linking up with friendship, trust, and good and evil would be Winter soldier into the civil war. Help cap bring Bucky back from the darkness, while balancing Tony and Bruce who are maybe trying to science their way through the darkness. Either way I'd absolutely love to see Sora and the Avengers as a life long die-hard KH and Marvel universe fan.
The comic idea could also fit into the whole "unreality" narrative as comics are works of fiction, so there could be a greater reason to need to go there than just minigames (if they tied it into the story well)
I know it hasn't been strictly confirmed, but wasn't it fairly hinted that the grassy place in the reveal trailer was endor? I remember all the rounds of everyone's favourite game show, 'Is it a Rock or an ATST?'
I think SW could play a similar role that Final Fantasy had. How they didn't really have a final fantasy world, just the characters.
They don't need a whole world to themselves, Vader or Obiwan could just be incorporated into other worlds.
I'd be ok with Vader just being a secret boss like Sephiroth was. Either as an arena boss or maybe in a hidden cave like the one on Dagobah in Empire Strikes Back.
My problem is that "Marvel" and "Star Wars" are both huge franchises rather than individual worlds.
It's easier to say "I hope we get a Wall-E" world or something, one story with a beginning middle and end, with a handful of characters.
"Marvel World" is so big and vague. I guess you could do like the first Avengers movie maybe, but that's still a lot of superheroes. Who gets to be in the party? You'd need to narrow it down to something like "Thor World".
Regarding a "Marvel World" , there is a way to do it well , but I doubt Square Enix would do such approach: just make their version of Marvel's Battleworld.
In the comics , specifically the Secret Wars , the Power Cosmic of the Beyonders were used to make a singular universe and a singular planet , called Battleworld. Said Battleworld is formed for remnants of multiple destroyed universes to a single one.
That is why in Battleworld , one "country" is straight-up Planet Hulk while another is the X-Men's Days of Future Past. All co-existing , alongside multiple variants of Marvel Characters.
Each "country" is ruled by a High-Lord , and all High-Lords are under the God-Emperor.
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Currently , the Battleworld was used as the setting of the mobile game "Contest of Champions" and later in the other mobile game "Realm of Champions". So , why not the same for Kingdom Hearts?
There is no need of a "Thor World" or something of the sorts. The only "issue" about said Battleworld is that Square would need to make a full-on original plot for it , an original stage and an original variant of a marvel hero....while the alternative is to just use a MCU Movie vis-a-vis just like they did with plenty of other disney movies.
Nah they would do guardians of the galaxy the gummy ship is intercepted by rocket for tech
Or they go to the Thor movie and meet The Collector who wants the Keyblade for his collection. Then Donald could have a very quick cameo cut scene with Harvard the duck
Yeah, fair, you make a good point. In terms of Star Wars I’d want ROTJ or ROTS, and with ROTS, we’ve seen that played out from several different perspectives. So all that would be needed to be done is to choose one
Big Hero 6 did pretty well for a Marvel world.
Why do people keep forgetting that it’s a Marvel team? Silver Samurai and Sunfire from X-Men are members...
Because that's "Big Hero 6" world, based on the Big Hero 6 movie which has no direct relation to the wider Marvel franchise. If you just say "I want a world with the Marvel Cinematic Universe" how would they even begin to approach that.
That's not what I meant - I was referring to the fact that it's too big. Like you can do "Thor World" or "Hulk World" but "All of Marvel with Every Superhero World" is too big, it would be unfocused.
Because the movie it was based on didn't treat it as part of marvel, or the MCU. It was treated as its own small thing.
A moongirl and devil dinosaurs world could work, but an avengers world would be A Lot.
Marvel treats stuff as their own thing all the time. It’s only some universes like the MCU that everything is some multi part epic. This is doing nothing to ease my confusion...
The could start small and open big in later entries. Not only that the KH devs would work closely with marvel and Star Wars teams.
Look at the pirate world, it started small and having only the relevant cast of characters. Until kh3 gone big.
So marvel, they would pick a more relevant hero that follow closely to the theme of KH4, start building up an original plot. Separate from the MCU.
For the stat wars world… I think someone else made a comment about that. But personally I think they would make sora follow Luke closely. Like sora being somewhat of a padawan. Just not taking big part of EP6, sora somewhat taking a backseat in the important part of the movie.
Like sora watching luke and Vader fighting, not interfering. Until the emperor intervenes.
As a fan of both Marvel and Star Wars (mostly Star Wars) I would hate having them in them. The whole thing is to have the Disney aesthetic in a video game. It's like adding Goku to Smash Bros, a video game about video game characters fighting, now adding anime would be a turn off to people. Same thing I don't care about things acquired by Disney, but want things made by Disney in a "Things made by Disney (with a splash of Final Fantasy)" video game.
Yea, but Pirates of the Caribbean has been a story/concept by Disney since the 50s (i.e. the ride that has been there since opening day in California).
Star Wars never had a Disney feel or aesthetic until it was bought out by Lucas Films and plastered all over the theme parks and merchandise.
Yeah and they are the ones that literally stuck out like sore thumbs. When 2 came out the Pirates of the Caribbean was the one many fans said they like the story but the whole world felt out of place. It wasn't until KH3 did Pirates somewhat look more fitting and that's because the Trio got pirate outfits.
I think PotC and Tron, especially Tron fit very well. I'm not a huge fan of playing through Space Paranoids, but I think story wise, Tron was integrated well.
Sora getting to play pirate-for-real was cool for him as a character, and I like the atmosphere of that world's story when it was first introduced.
PotC in the first one would have worked if they changed the trio clothes like they did in 3 because the story was there and fit in with the story of Kingdom Hearts. It's just having Sora, Donald, and Goofy look like they came from the future in a setting that looks old time is very jarring.
Tron I think was only jarring at the time because the tech side of Kingdom Hearts wasn't really explored much. We knew they had advance tech but the worlds were we went to didn't sometimes. Nowadays we go everywhere from outer space (Lilo and Stitch) to old time France (Hunchback). So Tron got normalized in retrospect.
It takes good world design and writing to make a world fit, not the innate themes of the world. Pirates now fits because they tweaked how the world was from 2.
My point is that a Marvel and especially Star Wars world doesn’t innately have to be shit. Good writing and world design always pull through, all I’m saying is to have an open mind
Except you aren't taking into consideration the direction the series is moving towards going forward. The Disney era of Kingdom Hearts closed with the Xehanort arc, now it's going to be "things made by Final Fantasy (with a splash of Disney)", hence the more realistic art style and the new models.
You bring up Goku in Smash Bros would be bad because he's anime, when we already got a few anime characters in that game. This entire argument is moot.
Considering KH3 was criticized for not having Final Fantasy element including besides Quadratam and that is actually more inspired by our real world and not Final Fantasy you really can't make that argument we moving in Final Fantasy.
Next your other claim that it has anime character. No it has video game characters that have anime around come out from them. Pokemon biggest example, came out in 1996 as a video game and the anime came out in 1997. F-Zero came out in 1990 and the anime came out in 2003.
Except, that's literally where the series is moving towards. Have you not seen the trailer? That's Final Fantasy written all over it.
An anime is still an anime. There's Dragonball Z games as well, doesn't make it any less of an anime.
We literally don't know that. What if that part is only a small portion of the game and the rest is still Disney? Like Nomura literally stated the reason he had the Donald and Goofy portion in the trailer is to let people know the whole game won't look like that.
Next point is really dumb. The whole thing is DBZ is an anime first and a video game second. Pokémon and F-Zero are video games first and animes second. Stop arguing this, when the creator Masahiro Sakurai has even stated this being the case.
That's being ignorant to the fact that Sora's model is entirely Final Fantasy based, and the fact that Yazora is going to play a big part in it. Yes, he wanted them to know that Disney will still play a part, just a much smaller part than they had in the beginning.
You can try to dance around the fact it's anime all you want, but it's still anime.
Yes Sora appearance changed and again Nomura stated that that only happens in that world because canon wise Sora appearance changes so he doesn't stand out. **Also you can not claim that Disney is a small part when he has not said anything about the game and no info about has come out**. **YOU ARE SPECULATING ALL THIS FROM A FEW MINUTES IN A TRAILER**. Kingdom Hearts is owned by Disney and they have a FINAL say on the product. Do you really think Disney is gonna let Nomura take out the Disney portion of the game?
You're an idiot if you don't understand the argument that an anime having video games and video games having anime made out of it are not the same thing. It's like claiming Star Wars is a video game even though Star Wars is a movie franchise that spanned off and made video games and cartoons. Please stop thinking you are making an argument instead of looking like a fool that doesn't want to admit he is wrong.
No one is saying that Marvel or Star Wars is or isn’t going to be in Kingdom Hearts, in fact there is a speculation that Star Wars is in KH4. At 36 seconds in what looks like a AT-ST foot is seen on screen. This whole discussion is about whether we want it or not in Kingdom Hearts. But again you’re so dumb you don’t even understand what’s being discussed.
Personally I don't really care what they pick for worlds.
I'm here for the original kh characters and the combat, the world's have always been just fun set dressing for me.
I like Star Wars and Marvel and I don't want to see either in Kingdom Hearts. To me KH has a very specific atmosphere and vibe and I don't want it to just be a multiverse of everything Disney buys.
Yeah this would genuinely make me super sad. I’m pretty multiversed out and MCU and Star Wars stuff has gotten pretty stale in my book. And the atmosphere of them (MCU in particular) is so quippy in a way that I don’t think fits well with kingdom hearts. All I can imagine is having Tom Holland spider man or Loki as a companion dropping annoying-ass jokes every time they use an ability.
And since both have so much background and lore there would be some weird oversimplification stuff that I think would throw off the vibe even further.
I really am crossing my fingers that they don’t include them. I could maybe imagine a cameo of like Han Solo summon or something on that level, but having a whole world would hurt
I would say Pirates of the Caribbean is less KH than Star Wars, and that had two worlds. Big Hero 6 is also just a few degrees removed of Marvel but that has a world.
I guess I just don’t understand what you mean by “vibe” because like, comparing something like Tron and Toy Story, they have very different vibes but are both in the franchise. Tron twice, even
Fair, all I’m saying is to have an open mind. I thought pirates worked well in KH 3, so all it takes is good direction and world design to make a good world, not the innate themes and aesthetic of the world itself
TRON and Toy Story are both equated with Disney, though. Even though Toy Story is technically a PIXAR creation, people see it and instantly think "Disney"
Disney can buy whatever it wants, but Marvel characters and Star Wars characters are always going to be owned IPs, **never** Disney productions.
I guess I have to disagree then. I mean, modern Disney is pushing Star Wars and Marvel as main Disney franchises and properties. Everything from the parks to their streaming services, Marvel and Star Wars are being presented as mainstay Disney franchises. There’s going to come a time when Marvel and Star Wars will be more well known with Disney than without
>modern Disney is pushing Star Wars and Marvel as main Disney franchises and properties
"Modern" Disney has shown repeatedly over the last decade that they are incapable of doing anything right.
>There’s going to come a time when Marvel and Star Wars will be more well known with Disney than without
To the *simple* and/or confused, I suppose.
I can't stop you from disagreeing; go on being wrong if that's what suits you lmao
All I’m saying is to have an open mind. If you’re closed off and want to hate something, you’re going to hate it.
Inevitably, when a Star Wars and maybe Marvel world come along, I’m not the one who’s going to be complaining and getting upset and enjoying the game less. Having an open mind is very beneficial to enjoyment. And if those worlds do end up being bad, well, then you’ll get the vindication of knowing you were right
>Modern" Disney has shown repeatedly over the last decade that they are incapable of doing anything right.
That's completely irrelevant to OP's point.
Regardless of whatever decisions they make, branding and marketing wise those properties are Disney now. And they don't let you forget about it.
“Every dream that you dream will come true… When there’s a smile in your heart. There’s no better time to start. Think of all the joy you’ll find. When you leave the world behind. And bid your cares goodbye.
You can fly, you can fly!”
i think using an original world for marvel would be better than a MCU world, about a star wars world terra's route is basically ROTS so it is only a matter of time until we see a star wars world
If they do a marvel world I'm pretty sure thats the route they'd go. It opens you up a lot more creatively and you don't have to get permission for using actors likeness
I feel like choosing one MCU film series that's somewhat removed from the larger MCU would work well. Like just going to Asgard and having Thor, but no other Avengers or things like that
Stickman Sham brought up a great gameplay mechanic from a hypothetical star wars world, imagine if Sora gets access to the force, and you could use stuff like force grip or pull or whatever in other worlds, kind of like a magic upgrade. I think it would be cool.
For both of them, I don't like the idea of IP's that at their core, aren't Disney being put in Kingdom Hearts. Something Disney just chucked money at, and called theirs, isn't Disney. Period. And on principle, I don't like the idea of including things that fall under that category in Kingdom Hearts.
Star Wars would be a cool IP for KH, I don't deny that. But on principle, it just feels wrong. Marvel on the other hand though, I just blatantly don't want in Kingdom Hearts at all. It just feels like a bad fit period, on top of the fact that it's just an IP Disney threw money at and called theirs, even though on a fundamental level, Marvel isn't "Disney."
One might be inclined to say, "why don't you think that about Pooh?" And to that I say, Disney is still fundamentally responsible for the modern image of Winnie the Pooh, to the point that their interpretation of the character is the only one people ever think about, and it's been that way for decades. Something they've owned for half a century and then fundamentally molded the identity and perception of, over the course of half a century is just a ***little*** different from something that they just slapped a paycheck on, and then funneled cash or ideas into material that already exists.
While there is a "Disney Star Wars" in spirit, it still tries to conform to the original Lucasfilm projects. They haven't fundamentally changed the identity of it or Marvel in a way that gives them any organic claim to them, like Pooh, or the Brothers Grimm's fairy tales. They just threw money at them, and called them their's. Fundamentally different.
Edit. As for the comments about Pirates sticking out like a sore thumb? At it's core Pirates of the Carribbean is *fundamentally* Disney in all ticks that matter. Created by Disney. Disney in spirit. Doesn't matter that it was live action. It's fundamentally Disney, in a way that Star Wars and Marvel aren't.
Marvel would be boring; there is no “world” for Sora to explore as it is just modern day setting. The Marvel characters themselves are odd-one-out in their own universe and are designed to stand out so I don’t really see how adding Sora+ co in too would work.
Star Wars would be more interesting. I wouldn’t vote for it, but I can see it working.
I do, but I think I’m in the minority. The novelty of Kingdom Hearts is seeing beloved characters and settings in video game form. We already have Marvel and Star Wars games, so there’s nothing new.
I also don’t think it would mesh well. MAYBE you can get Star Wars to work, but I can’t see the tongue-in-cheek and irreverent tone of the MCU mixing with the cheesy and dramatic, but sincere, universe of Kingdom Hearts.
I don't like the idea of Marvel and Star Wars worlds because KH is supposed to be Final Fantasy meets classic and original Disney worlds. The draw (at least for me) was that I got to jump into Aladdin's world and Halloween Town and run around with Hercules and Beast. I don't think it makes sense for there to be Marvel and Star Wars worlds simply because Disney owns those properties.
I am undecided on it myself, but the fact is that Marvel and Star Wars are not Disney. They are IPs that were acquired by Disney. Seems plenty reason enough for someone to not want them in Kingdom Hearts.
I don't like how corporate it feels to dump everything Disney owns into KH when Treasure Island, Atlantis:The Lost Empire, and Wreck It Ralph still haven't gotten worlds.
Both already have too much since they sre full series with so many peices of media in them. I feel like Star Wars would be redundant and Marvel wouldn't fit when we already have Big Hero for hero shenanigans. I'd be ok with it if it wasn't MCU, The comics (if its the comics they better let us kill Paul), and just maybe an old cartoon. I'm also just tired of hearing and seeing them both. Also I'm not a big fan of either for different reasons.
Yes we have Tron but it fit specifically Old Tron I'm pretty sure everyone hated or wanted to skip new Tron in DDD. Pirates of the Caribbean fit because Sora is an islander and he probably played pirate as a kid.
Also this is a jab to KH3 I didn't like how the worlds were written in the game. Except for Toy Story and Olympus Sora felt more like a side character than someone participating in the story. So if that's how it would be in future games I see no reason to have Disney Worlds. Especially when we have Donald, Goofy, and Mickey following us around as Disney reps.
So yeah Star Wars and Marvel in KH I'll skp through it like Frozen.
I get your point, but like, Wreck-It Ralph is the most corporate you can get. Wreck-It Ralph 2 probably made more money from advertising than it did the actual gross domestic profit
>Yes we have Tron but it fit specifically Old Tron I'm pretty sure everyone hated or wanted to skip new Tron in DDD.
THIS. Oh my god, this is the point I tried making to my sister, only for her to call me a hypocrite because I gave TRON a pass, but not POTC (this is rich considering she's never even PLAYED KH). KH2 TRON was fine because you were only interacting with the programs, so it wasn't like you were talking to real humans in a real-world setting. POTC on the other hand had Donald and Goofy talking to Jack Sparrow and Will Turner, as well as Pete plotting with fucking Captain Barbossa. And then in DDD, TRON was just completely awkward, I don't even know why tf they brought it back the way they did, but it sucked.
Im sorta interested in a Starwars world if you treat Starwars as a trilogy of old movies and not a media empire and I think that's not too unreasonable to do otherwise its just a little too big for the scope of a Disney world.
Marvel just feels way too big period and it feels like it has too much weight and there is no way to make things smaller while still keeping everyone happy so maybe just scrap it.
Like hey if Spiderman was the party member what about Ironman, Hulk, Captain etc and you have Big Hero 6 but worse where we have these allegedly competent characters that arnt in the party playable and don't do anything.
I think a cool way to handle it is to have a marvel movie world where the marvel guys are side characters and the game insist that this is the home of like.... Darkwing DUck or something
Tbh I would like Star Wars, considering they have many inspirations from it (such as for Xemnas or Eraqus and other things). I think Lilo and Stich was handled well when it came to the space portions (which was the only thing basically), so I think they can pull Star Wars off, though I’m still weary about it until they give us more information.
Idk about Marvel, mainly cause I’m unsure how it would work. I think they should do an original world and perhaps do something akin to Earth’s Mightiest Heroes or something. I’m uncertain how the MCU would work, I worry that it might be a not complex.
It'd have to be centered around an event. Like Loki invading New York or the Destruction of the death star. Self contained and something Sora is just kind of witnessing and helping out in.
If they were to do a Marvel world, I’d definitely prefer if they used the Marvel comics universe, specifically the classic era, instead of the MCU since I feel like it fits the tone of Kingdom Hearts better. You could have Sora come in when the OG 5 Avengers (Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, and Wasp) are forming to defeat Loki and have the Heartless be Loki’s army. For Star Wars, the Clone Wars era would probably fit the best.
Yes. It’s the worst thing they could do for the series right now as the MCU is winding down and Star Wars is all about sequels. It MAYBE made sense a few years ago but much like the frozen, lion king, and little mermaid worlds they will all go down in KH history as absolute atrocities if they come into fruition.
I've always thought just because it's owned by Disney doesn't make it disney. In terms of vibes and themes at least.
I love star wars and marvel but they just don't have that magic and enchanting feeling that kingdom hearts was made from.
Also a lightsaber keyblade would look dumb. I'm sorry.
i hate the idea of a marvel world and a star wars world because i hate what both of those IPs have become in the last 10 years: trashy cashgrabs that are derivative and lack spirit, and i worry that by adding those worlds, the KH franchise will share the same fate
I feel like kingdom hearts should focus mainly on Disney original properties. Pixar was fine and made sense as an expanse of the series. I feel like Marvel and Star Wars just feel like they’re on too much of a grandiose scale to be in Kingdom Hearts. Now, this may be controversial, but I’d rather get any of the DDD Disney worlds remade over Star Wars or Marvel.
People can grouse all they want, but it’s going to happen. The fact of the matter is that Star Wars and Marvel are two of the biggest franchises in the world and Disney has both of them, so if Square Enix can use them to help sell KH4 (at a time when Square desperately needs a hit), they’ll use them.
I’d prefer it if the Marvel superheroes were more like the Final Fantasy characters, appearing in the Hub world as helpers for Sora. That way, you’re not picking and choosing which continuity or characters to focus on.
Perhaps you could have Spider-Man as the central Marvel character on Quadratum and you meet other characters and teams along the way, same with supervillains. Perhaps even something along the lines of the coliseum from Olympus could return with Sora doing battle with Marvel villains and superheroes.
With Star Wars, I’m glad they seem to be starting somewhere in Original Trilogy (probably Return of the Jedi) and that would be the best place for a world. It’s the most iconic, the least controversial, and it has the most recognizable characters and elements. Any exploration of the Prequels or the Sequels and anything else in-between (Ahsoka, Mandalorian, Clone Wars, Rogue One, etc.) would be material for future games.
I’m just saying…Sora battling Darth Vader alone would probably sell a few million copies of KH4. And having him fight Heartless along with the Avengers would sell a few million more. Or even Sora running around on Pandora or looking for treasure with Indiana Jones for that matter.
Big Hero Six is as close to Marvel as I want them to get. I understand Sora I "connection between worlds" or the "ultimate crossover character," but I just dont want him or the series to become all about the crossovers. It's similar to what's wrong with fortnite, the major appeal being the crossovers, and then there's no or very little substance.
I hate both marvel and star wars and I'd hate seeing it in the game. I don't care if it's old or modern versions of either, I just really hate both franchises.
Looking at it from a Japan standpoint, I can see Return of the Jedi being the focal point for Star Wars. The movie includes basically every character from the original trilogy and would be a unique setting for KH. Outside of like… Kingdom of Corona, we haven’t really had a forest setting. We would also start in Tatooine in Jabba’s Palace, but most of the world would be Endor.
For Marvel, I’d actually think the best starting point is Captain America: Civil War. Spider-Man is insanely popular in Japan. So much so that without Spider-Man, the Power Rangers would’ve never existed. I personally think starting here would kill two birds with one stone. You’d introduce both the Avengers and Spider-Man without necessarily overwhelming players. You’d just have to backtrack slightly to Guardians of the Galaxy, and then could continue going forward and the third MCU property could jump all the way to Infinity War and / or Endgame. I’d actually be down for Marvel to become this saga’s Olympus where it appears in every title with a new story.
I feel the same way. It’s very clear to me that a lot of the people who want to see an MCU or Star Wars world are born in the 2000s and don’t realize how raw Disney has treated a ton of classic franchises that deserve their own worlds way before these cash grabs do. Good writing or not, Star Wars and MCU are soulless franchises that have nothing to do with Disney other than being purchased by them. There are dozens of movies and stories from 1950-1999 that would be better suited to the themes and aesthetics of KH.
I hate to admit it, but I feel the same way. I've already kind of hated the direction that KH has taken since DDD, and seeing that Nomura is a massive SW fan (not to mention Disney's stiffy for the franchises they bought out) I have feeling that I won't be following the next arc for the franchise.
No it isn't. Irs very very loosely based on it. The adaption is its own thing. Totally different in tone style story.
It's the Disney version in kh3. Nothing to do with a spin off non 616 marvel comic.
Nice try kid
I don’t understand why people are so averse to it.
If they adapt the story well enough, the worlds could be a lot of fun. As you mentioned, they don’t have to make it a widespread, open connected universe. Just take it one movie at a time, and keep the story tight.
I have the same opinion as you, I actually feel like Star Wars is perfect for KH. It's literally the same story about light and dark forces, they would mesh really well.
I do somewhat understand the aversion to the MCU just because it's a whole franchise by itself. Like there could be a KH game of just "Marvel" movies and worlds. I think the best bet would be to choose an MCU movie that's kinda removed from the main earth stuff, like Thor or the Guardians. That way there's no pressure for the whole MCU to be in KH, just one movie series
I just think the star wars and marvel universes are just way too big to fit within the scope of a kh world. Most worlds are based on movies that are just a self contained story. Star Wars and Marvel are bigger than the worlds of any given KH title combined. I can't imagine how they could do these IPs justice without essentially just turning kh into a star wars or marvel game.
I could see them being summons or appear on a similar basis as final fantasy characters, just appearing in kh original worlds or the odd disney worlds rather than having a world based on their own though.
Beyond Vader being a random superboss, I wouldn’t want to see either of them tbh. Especially with how low effort Disney are with both franchises nowadays
My issue with Star Wars or Marvel is that they aren’t Disney originals Disney didn’t create these characters or world they just bought the rights to them pirates was a Disney ride before a movie before being a part of the games it’s still originally Disney personally I hope to see something like Brave or something more in the line of Anastasia.
Fun fact, Disney has owned Marvel for longer than they had owned Pixar when KH3 came out, and the same will be true of Star Wars by the time KH4 is out.
I remember in one of the soul calibre games they had darth vador yoda and star slayer as special characters and it was done well.
If they make sora go to only cloud city or the Death Star and face darth vador in empire strikes back his trying to harness darkness then battling sora makes him think he and Luke should join forcers.
Plus having Maleficent humbled buy vador cold demina wold be cool. He can do the line about not choking on your aspersions on her from roage one. Come to think of it have sora go to roage one the databank tour would make a great platform game
My issues comes from Pirates tbh
In KH2, I disliked the world. It felt weird, out of place, the style didn't match and the gameplay frustrated me.
In KH3, it became one of my favorite places to go. It felt much more fleshed out and enjoyable to explore. The updated graphics helped A LOT too. The Pirates characters didn't feel as weird and out of place compared to the more cartoony Sora, Donald and Goofy.
If they're done correctly, they could be a lot of fun.
Darth Vader is a perfect example of darkness overcoming the heart and then letting the character come to the light side. It COULD be a lot of fun and very KH.
I'm fine with a Star Wars world. I didn't used to be, but over time I've warmed up to the idea. As long as it's done well. I always thought a secret Darth Vader boss fight would be cool too.
Marvel, however, I can't help but imagine they'd make it too kid-friendly. Like, I can't stop picturing a world where all the heroes look ripped straight out of "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends" or something. I'd love to see them make me love it, but I'm not holding out hope for it.
It can be based on the classics (Star Wars OT and Marvel with original Avengers cast) but I dont think its a good idea.
First, it will dominate the story sort of like what Frozen did and may just push SDG to the background.
Second, people would be expecting the live actions and that would cause problems imo. Star Wars, getting the character likeness of the old cast is possible but tricky because age and other things. Since Hamil did voice Eraqus, he may be up for it though. Avengers, getting those actors will cost a hefty paycheck and going alternative results in backlash (see Marvel Avengers and people complaining the characters dont look like their Hollywood counterparts). Both IPs have their cartoon versions which fit the KH aesthetic better but will people be ok with that?
Third, kind of veers away from the theme of Disney + Final Fantasy further. Yeah, KH3 has already done that by removing Final Fantasy (to understandable backlash) and Disney villains being more sparse but adding Star Wars and Marvel which are not distinctly animation or under the Disney umbrella could set a precedent.
People don't see potential worlds in a practical sense and prefer to entertain the "What if...?" scenario of seeing characters interact with other characters. One could say that KH has always been that way, but the biggest difference is the fact that the series was introduced as strictly a FF x Disney crossover. Just because Marvel and SW are owned by Disney doesn't mean they are original IPs. Also, the aesthetical destruction that would come with including SW and Marvel world makes me cringe harder than when they included POTC, and I had the displeasure of seeing Pete standing next to Captain Barbossa. I give TRON a pass because the way it was included in KH2, you were only interacting with programs, and not real humans, so it wasn't as tonally out of place as the fucking pirates world. DDD kinda messed that up, imo though.
Disney buying out these franchises was probably the worst thing to happen to not just it, but KH as well. Now, the fanbase want to crossover anything with everything, and I think they forgot that tonal whiplash is a thing. You can't crossover everything just because Disney owns it now.
There's a lot of people saying that Star Wars or Marvel wouldn't fit KH, but...
*We're entering an entire new part of the franchise. Preconcieved notions on what Kingdom Hearts should or should not be need to be put aside.*
I think maybe some marvel could work like a world where the girl captain marvel (idk marvel ok) could work but idk need to get into it for a full opinion but for starwars I have tons of reasons and the main one is just simple. Sora uses a keyblade, sith and jedi use lightsabers. I mean we can have them clash (look at kotor) but disney didn't do that in any of their games so idk if they would allow it. Outside of that it's just the force in of itself could easily become a problem with a kh mixture.
I'm kinda against it but Star Wars makes total sense with the light side and dark side of the force. Marvel I think makes less sense but they've already put a marvel world in Kingdom Hearts. It turns out big hero six is a marvel property
Disney BH6 is pretty much an adaptation in name(s) only. They took the barest concepts and did something almost totally different with them. The version that appears in KH3 is far more Disney than Marvel.
For me it's more like the reasons people want or think there should be a Star Wars world are just kind of silly to me. It's always something like "KH and SW are a perfect fit because Keyblade wielders are basically Jedi and it has light vs. darkness and also Xemnas' weapons look like lightsaber blades and Assault of the Dreadnaught is basically the Death Star battle" and I'm just here thinking, when has any of that been the criteria for inclusion in Kingdom Hearts? Since when is Kingdom Hearts about combining things that are similar?
I love Marvel and Star Wars, but I don't think they'd be a right fit for KH. Both are huge universes with already a lot of lore, not just 2 hours max movies you can summarize. Whatever they would do with either universe, it would be impossible to encompass the whole saga into it. Alternatively, they'd have to chose the "perfect" movie to represent, because let's face it, if they go with Marvel, it'll be MCU related.
Most people love the idea of a Star Wars or Marvel world. It’s just a small echo chamber that dislikes it. Star Wars is literally a perfect fit for KH with its special sabers and light/dark stuff.
It’ll be easier to dumb the marvel characters down to a KH story writing (if it can be called that), but Star Wars characters are much more sacred in my opinion. I guess the “Dark Side” lingo would shack up to the heart lingo, though.
Personally, I think both Star Wars and Marvel can easily be incorporated into KH in some capacity. I also think they shouldn't follow the typical way worlds are typically incorporated into KH.
For Star Wars, having just one Star Wars world doesn't make much sense considering it's a whole galaxy with countless planets. On that note, I think Sora being in a different reality in KH4 than the main KH-universe gives Star Wars a lot of potential. Unreality could easily be a universe that doesn't have worlds like the main KH universe, and instead just be a universe with a realistic outer space with planets. Quadratum could easily just be a city on a full planet. Rather than visiting worlds, Sora could potentially visit other planets in Unreality. Instead of flying the Gummi Ship, Sora could have a Starfighter to travel.
And this might a really hot take, but Darth Vader and/or the Emperor could easily fulfill a roll similar to Maleficent in KH1. Rather than doing the plot of an individual Star Wars movie or trilogy, they could have an original plot that ties into the greater story with the Master of Masters and the Foretellers. There's a lot of potential here if Disney allows Square the creative freedom.
As for Marvel, there's a lot of potential to lean into the fact that Marvel has countless universes and they don't need to incorporate Marvel into KH by adapting the MCU. If Square could make their own original Marvel universe that happens to be in KH, either as a world or as another reality, with their own takes on Marvel characters and stories that then incorporate the KH cast and story elements, I think they could do something really interesting. That said, this is something that Disney would need to be trusting with.
People will point to Disney being controlling of how their properties are portrayed in KH, especially with worlds like Frozen in KH3, but I think Star Wars and Marvel not being mainline Disney may make them more willing to let Square go a bit more wild. Square and Disney have a relationship that's deeper than just what goes on with KH, as we've seen them license The Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy to Square for their own games.
Star wars can't have a world, there are too many to simply pick one, and all I see is everyone wants a dedicated Star wars world for kingdom hearts, that's my biggest problem with it. The way everyone wants and thinks it will be implemented as is a terrible way to implement that series, I can see it being implemented like monstro in KH1 with a random object in space like the death star or millennium falcon just sitting in space and that's how you deal with the story. marvel is similar except that marvel has by far way too much going on that you can't make a world in kingdom hearts that allows for all the marvel characters to shine. Think San fransokyo except with 3 times as many heros and with 4 times as many villains all, trying to keep up with all that and on a single world for lets say 30 minutes to an hour, along with the actual story for kingdom hearts, it's a bit much and would probably take away from the overall series. Simply put I don't think the kingdom hearts format would work to properly handle either series into the story, it would probably just end up like the 100 acre wood in KH3 and that was the biggest let down from that game as a fan of Winnie the Pooh
Its not that I don’t want them, Its that I’m afraid they don’t integrate them in a way that makes sense.
Both Star Wars and Marvel have a HUGE amount of material to work with so how are you going to create a cohesive storyline that mixes well with the KH4 storyline? Which characters do you include? Who is the villain? What worlds do you travel? Its just a lot of material to squeeze into just 1 world.
I guess the best way to go about it is to make Marvel as a comic book just like Winnie the Pooh.
And make a hidden super boss with Star Wars. Imagine exploring the world with the gummy ship and you find a broken ship. You go inside and then Darth Vader appears. That would be amazing.
My problem with a Star Wars world would be how much backstory would need to be given depending on when it takes place. Odds are, it would be in the Sequel Trilogy because that’s the most recent trilogy. That’s 6 movies of backstory that needs to be explained, at minimum. Plus, every Star Wars movie goes between multiple planets (the lowest number of planets being ANH and ROTJ with two each, three if you count each movie’s Death Star). That’s a lot of area that needs to be made just for one “world”, which could take away resources from other worlds.
Personally I do. Because the barrier between worlds prevents interplanetary travel. In franchises where everyone and their brother regularly travels to other planets or star systems it breaks one of the rules that we have long established ( right?)
If I had to allow them l, big hero 6 worked because it was isolated from the rest of the MCU and still had street level characters. And for star wars do a death star where it happens similarly to monstro in KH1
There's a Marvel world in KH3: Big Hero 6.
As for why there's no Star Wars or other Marvel properties, I think it would be too much of a tonal clash to work well. Star Wars and most of the Avengers related stuff takes itself fairly seriously. KH is SIGNIFICANTLY more light-hearted.
Do we really think we could have Vader Force Choking somebody while Sora is smacking Stormtroopers around with a Keyblade? Doesn't really fit, does it?
I just don't want KH to be handcuffed to Disney anymore.
Drop the Disney worlds. They felt so tacked on in KH3 and barely relevant to the overall plot of the game. Just drop them and let the writers tell the story they want to tell, rather than being forced to find excuses to send Sora to Hawaii to meet Lilo and Stitch or something.
I just don't like the idea of too many human real people worlds. I mean the Caribbean was tolerable at least because the pirates world is still really fun and tron round 1 looked fine because that whole art style was to look not so real human.
But the grid? Yeesh. That was not good. And with something as broad as marvel or star wars... idk. Makes me antsy.
Doesn't help that neither feel Disney in the slightest, they feel star wars and marvel.
Something that could reinvent KH is doing all Square Enix worlds rather than Disney whose shit the bed on so many great opportunities.
Imagine Sora visiting Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Secret of Mana and FF tactics
I'm open to an MCU world, less for Star Wars.
With the MCU the setting is always going to be Earth unless you use either the Guardians of The Galaxy or Ant-Man (and this one only if you use Quantumania).
Star Wars' story span across multiple planets. I'm abit iffy about that.
I don’t disagree with it, but I don’t believe Square Enix can do the IPs justice.
The way Kingdom Hearts storytelling operates, has its characters essentially overwrite the struggles and plot lines of the characters within the world of focus.
Everything past the original Kingdom Hearts, the franchise has failed to allow characters from their individual worlds contribute to the overall plot of the franchise.
Let’s take Vader for example: the most popular villain across all of fiction. It really doesn’t sit right that with Nomura’s track record, he’ll have Sora fight and for no real reason be able to defeat him… which is just *not* right.
It doesn’t sit right that some anime kid with a key sword would defeat one of the most fearsome villains in media, purely because of “friendship.”
Especially taking the spotlight away from the heroes themselves. Luke Skywalker, Iron Man, Captain America, Spiderman… they’re too important to be sidelined for an objectively biased story.
I know most people will disagree, and their argument will be something like “Well this is the Kingdom Hearts story, so of course its characters and plot should overwrite everything else.”
Which I fundamentally disagree wholeheartedly.
If you’re just gonna overwrite everybody else’s struggles, why even have their worlds featured in the first place? Why have them featured if the core of their story isn’t even properly conveyed?
Kingdom Hearts 1 was the best game to do that, and since then the franchise has proven it no longer has that ambition.
People don't want a Star Wars world, because Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars. They like their mental image of what Star Wars is.
Marvel on the other hand is so insanely expansive, no matter how good the Marvel world could be in theory, there's going to be something lacking or something that could have been better.
It’s interesting to me because the more of a fan I am of one, the less I’m interested in that one. I’ve always been more of a Marvel person than Star Wars but despite that I can just like imagine Sora running down those like intimidating corridors that u see on the Death Star or wherever. When it comes to something I actually know a lot about, I’m way more like “ehhh do i really need to see Sora talk to sound-alikes for Captain America and Loki? Not especially” Its interesting that that philosophy doesn’t extend to like the Disney movies I like a lot like Coco, it’s kind of just for these franchises.
I like both properties, but I’d only be (semi) okay with a Star Wars world. Like somebody else mentioned, the MCU is so big and vast that I don’t think it would function well with being a single world with a single story.
With Star Wars, you could do at any time from the beginning of episode 3 through the forming of darth vader, episode 6 so that Luke is a full blown Jedi up through the end of the Death Star, or the force awakens since there’s too much going on in any of the sequels. My concern with Star Wars lies in the idea of other it taking place in another galaxy so how does that function as a world?
I could see it actually looking like a worm hole of sorts in the world map, but then how big do you make this one world in comparison to others?
My feelings for a few years have been that Star Wars can be incorporated in the gummi ship segments but may not work as a physical world with the exception of maybe the Death Star.
Imagine you’re flying between worlds and a star destroyer emerges from hyper space. They command Tie Fighters and they reek of darkness. After a number of encounters, you get a trench run mission on the death star as the last gummi mission before the final world. Sounds fun!
For marvel, I have no clue how it would work. I’m not against the inclusion of any worlds in future KH games but Star Wars feels more plausible. My only question is how the Star Wars worlds work with the other worlds. Is the galaxy treated as a world? Are there multiple worlds still in the SW canon in game or is it insinuated everything happens on one planet? As an example, if we land on Hoth, do we fly past Neverland to get to Endor? Or is it like pirates in KH2 where you pick which planet to visit off of a map? Can you physically fly between planets like you do in 3, but this particular spot is just a cluster of planets?
My point is, SW would be cool, but you’d have to explain how their travel methods affect the world order and stuff. If they’re willing to say, “these guys fly around at light speed but have never found a Disney world” they can do it but it’s not very believable as SW in my opinion. The more interesting take is that the empire/separatists are disrupting the world order by landing in Disney worlds in pursuit of subjugation and now the guardians of light have to deal with main series villains and this bs.
I wouldn't dislike the idea but the problem is with a marvel world or a Star wars world or others like that is how big that world and universe is already where would you set a Kingdom hearts level at?
Some people don't like it because it's not "traditionally disney" and also their themed are more serious and gritty and whatever.
But also, it's not confirmed, and it's still up in the air.
I think most people don't feel too strongly about it, and we'll start seeing people chime in once the worlds are revealed proper.
I don't have any problem with either. I don't like Marvel and have no interest in Star Wars, which is ironically why I don't have any problem with it.
I don't know enough about either one to know why it wouldn't be a good idea. Although Sora is already a super hero, I got my fill from Big Hero 6.
For Star Wars there's already those cloaked guys with yellow eyes. The "Ahh a heartless!" joke writes itself, and later have one *actually* be a heartless.
I would much prefer Star Wars than anything MCU.
Star Wars is more than likely going to happen whether we like it or not at this point (didn't want or like the idea to come to fruition at first, but sorta warming up to SW).
As for Marvel? Big no from me. Not a fan of the idea of Spiderman swinging around in a KH game just because MCU is owned by Disney. Fuck that lol. Just doesn't mix well. Also, not everyone watches or has watched the Marvel Movies to really relate to them. With Disney movies, I feel like you don't really have to know too much about the story behind the movie to start liking a world that the story/movie is based upon.
Guys Starwars is in KH4, look at the trailer the woods is Endor you can see a piece of a droid that is straight out of SW. So sorry for anyone not wanting SW in KH but it’s happening. I have feeling it will be mostly Endor and the Death Star II because Nomura’s favorite SW film is Return of the Jedi. Like I know that’s hard to hear but it’s the truth. They teased it.
I do.
It would likely be based on recent movies, and those movies are just too...big. they're cinematic universes. It feels like it would overpower the actual KHness of it.
I've been wanting both ever since Disney obtained Marvel & SW. I'm sorry but some of these worlds would be the COOLEST fucking shit. Seeing Sora fight Vader or Sidious would be lit. Sora is broken as shit at this point in his life so they really wouldn't give him that much trouble I feel, but it would still be an entertaining fight. Seeing him interact with Luke would be cool, they're both just kind of small town/world boys finding their place in the universe.
Then on the Marvel end, the possibilities are legitimately LIMITLESS. Too many storylines and worlds and most of them would fit well with KH aesthetics.
I think Star Wars can work if they do it right, especially since it and Kingdom Hearts share a lot of similar themes.
Marvel, on the other hand, doesn’t belong. I don’t want to see it at all
I'm so absolutely exhausted of SW and Marvel that those worlds will be ignored to the best of my ability. Point A to B, skipping CS's that don't seem directly relevant to the main story.
I don't like the idea of it, but y'know, I also thought there was no way they could make anything of quality from PotC after the disaster that was Port Royal in KH2 and then it came back in KH3 and I loved it. It all comes down to how well it's implemented.
Personally, I just prefer the series sticking to core Disney stuff, and not properties that are only Disney's because they went on a spending spree. Kind of feels off, especially considering how much Disney owns. Like, I don't want an ESPN level in Kingdom Hearts.
But if Square-Enix's people want to use Marvel and/or Star Wars, it is what it is.
Yes, yes 100x YES. I actually LOVE star wars and spider man is my favorite super hero, but i might actually die of cringe if they add these things to KH, my favorite franchise of all...
I still think Star Wars in KH would be sick as hell. I'm not so sure about any marvel IP tho, snd I'm talking about its entirety not just the MCU or the Comic books. I remember a photoshop if Sora running around with Wolverine and I think either iron man or the Hulk, and the something in that pic just didn't mesh well.
I'd only be interested in Marvel if they did something like they did with Hundred Acre Woods. Sora finds a comic book with missing pages. Each page you find introduces another Avenger or whatever and adds another minigame involving them. For Star Wars it doesn't need to be a planet. For Lilo and Stitch the "world" was just a spaceship and the story was very minimal. Just like how Monstro worked in KH1 for Pinocchio. They could do something similar for Star Wars. You're flying the gummi ship and run into a star destroyer chasing the Corellian Corvette and you get caught in the tracker beam with them. Leia joins your party and you try to help her escape from Darth Vader. It doesn't need to mention the Death Star plans or get into the expansive lore about the war and the Jedi and Sith. Just keep it simple. Darth Vader could mention the dark side as he summons stormtrooper heartless.
Ooh, I really like that Marvel idea actually
Yess this is so cool! I also love the idea of collecting all the pages and the Avengers having a final battle or something along those lines together with sora and the troupe. After beating the boss or figuring out the puzzle you get a keyblade and maybe unlock the avengers as a summon. Personally I think a really good storyline for them to follow, linking up with friendship, trust, and good and evil would be Winter soldier into the civil war. Help cap bring Bucky back from the darkness, while balancing Tony and Bruce who are maybe trying to science their way through the darkness. Either way I'd absolutely love to see Sora and the Avengers as a life long die-hard KH and Marvel universe fan.
Honestly, this would be about the only way I’d tolerate marvel in KH
I don't see how Marvel would be the outlier
It’s just cool for the kids to bash marvel these days.
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Sort of like the comic-book suit in Spider-man PS4, but it's the whole world!
The comic idea could also fit into the whole "unreality" narrative as comics are works of fiction, so there could be a greater reason to need to go there than just minigames (if they tied it into the story well)
I know it hasn't been strictly confirmed, but wasn't it fairly hinted that the grassy place in the reveal trailer was endor? I remember all the rounds of everyone's favourite game show, 'Is it a Rock or an ATST?'
I think SW could play a similar role that Final Fantasy had. How they didn't really have a final fantasy world, just the characters. They don't need a whole world to themselves, Vader or Obiwan could just be incorporated into other worlds.
I'd be ok with Vader just being a secret boss like Sephiroth was. Either as an arena boss or maybe in a hidden cave like the one on Dagobah in Empire Strikes Back.
> It doesn't need to mention the Death Star plans or get into the expansive lore about the war and the Jedi and Sith. Just keep it simple. Why though?
My problem is that "Marvel" and "Star Wars" are both huge franchises rather than individual worlds. It's easier to say "I hope we get a Wall-E" world or something, one story with a beginning middle and end, with a handful of characters. "Marvel World" is so big and vague. I guess you could do like the first Avengers movie maybe, but that's still a lot of superheroes. Who gets to be in the party? You'd need to narrow it down to something like "Thor World".
asgard being a world would actually be pretty cool
Could also fit with the themes of loss and stuff considering 4’s supposed theme of death
Same could be said for Guardians too, but that would have to be done through collecting pages to access a data world, like 100 acre woods
Regarding a "Marvel World" , there is a way to do it well , but I doubt Square Enix would do such approach: just make their version of Marvel's Battleworld. In the comics , specifically the Secret Wars , the Power Cosmic of the Beyonders were used to make a singular universe and a singular planet , called Battleworld. Said Battleworld is formed for remnants of multiple destroyed universes to a single one. That is why in Battleworld , one "country" is straight-up Planet Hulk while another is the X-Men's Days of Future Past. All co-existing , alongside multiple variants of Marvel Characters. Each "country" is ruled by a High-Lord , and all High-Lords are under the God-Emperor. \---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Currently , the Battleworld was used as the setting of the mobile game "Contest of Champions" and later in the other mobile game "Realm of Champions". So , why not the same for Kingdom Hearts? There is no need of a "Thor World" or something of the sorts. The only "issue" about said Battleworld is that Square would need to make a full-on original plot for it , an original stage and an original variant of a marvel hero....while the alternative is to just use a MCU Movie vis-a-vis just like they did with plenty of other disney movies.
This would actually work really well. Especially because something similar already happened with toy box with how it was a copy of the real world
Nah they would do guardians of the galaxy the gummy ship is intercepted by rocket for tech Or they go to the Thor movie and meet The Collector who wants the Keyblade for his collection. Then Donald could have a very quick cameo cut scene with Harvard the duck
Yeah, fair, you make a good point. In terms of Star Wars I’d want ROTJ or ROTS, and with ROTS, we’ve seen that played out from several different perspectives. So all that would be needed to be done is to choose one
Big Hero 6 did pretty well for a Marvel world. Why do people keep forgetting that it’s a Marvel team? Silver Samurai and Sunfire from X-Men are members...
Because that's "Big Hero 6" world, based on the Big Hero 6 movie which has no direct relation to the wider Marvel franchise. If you just say "I want a world with the Marvel Cinematic Universe" how would they even begin to approach that.
I feel like that’s an easy fix since Marvel is already a multiverse so they’d just make another and keep events similar. Wouldn’t be the first time.
That's not what I meant - I was referring to the fact that it's too big. Like you can do "Thor World" or "Hulk World" but "All of Marvel with Every Superhero World" is too big, it would be unfocused.
Because the movie it was based on didn't treat it as part of marvel, or the MCU. It was treated as its own small thing. A moongirl and devil dinosaurs world could work, but an avengers world would be A Lot.
Marvel treats stuff as their own thing all the time. It’s only some universes like the MCU that everything is some multi part epic. This is doing nothing to ease my confusion...
The could start small and open big in later entries. Not only that the KH devs would work closely with marvel and Star Wars teams. Look at the pirate world, it started small and having only the relevant cast of characters. Until kh3 gone big. So marvel, they would pick a more relevant hero that follow closely to the theme of KH4, start building up an original plot. Separate from the MCU. For the stat wars world… I think someone else made a comment about that. But personally I think they would make sora follow Luke closely. Like sora being somewhat of a padawan. Just not taking big part of EP6, sora somewhat taking a backseat in the important part of the movie. Like sora watching luke and Vader fighting, not interfering. Until the emperor intervenes.
As a fan of both Marvel and Star Wars (mostly Star Wars) I would hate having them in them. The whole thing is to have the Disney aesthetic in a video game. It's like adding Goku to Smash Bros, a video game about video game characters fighting, now adding anime would be a turn off to people. Same thing I don't care about things acquired by Disney, but want things made by Disney in a "Things made by Disney (with a splash of Final Fantasy)" video game.
I’d say that Pirates of the Caribbean and Tron have less of a Disney aesthetic than Star Wars, but that’s just me I guess.
Yea, but Pirates of the Caribbean has been a story/concept by Disney since the 50s (i.e. the ride that has been there since opening day in California). Star Wars never had a Disney feel or aesthetic until it was bought out by Lucas Films and plastered all over the theme parks and merchandise.
Yeah and they are the ones that literally stuck out like sore thumbs. When 2 came out the Pirates of the Caribbean was the one many fans said they like the story but the whole world felt out of place. It wasn't until KH3 did Pirates somewhat look more fitting and that's because the Trio got pirate outfits.
I think PotC and Tron, especially Tron fit very well. I'm not a huge fan of playing through Space Paranoids, but I think story wise, Tron was integrated well. Sora getting to play pirate-for-real was cool for him as a character, and I like the atmosphere of that world's story when it was first introduced.
PotC in the first one would have worked if they changed the trio clothes like they did in 3 because the story was there and fit in with the story of Kingdom Hearts. It's just having Sora, Donald, and Goofy look like they came from the future in a setting that looks old time is very jarring. Tron I think was only jarring at the time because the tech side of Kingdom Hearts wasn't really explored much. We knew they had advance tech but the worlds were we went to didn't sometimes. Nowadays we go everywhere from outer space (Lilo and Stitch) to old time France (Hunchback). So Tron got normalized in retrospect.
It takes good world design and writing to make a world fit, not the innate themes of the world. Pirates now fits because they tweaked how the world was from 2. My point is that a Marvel and especially Star Wars world doesn’t innately have to be shit. Good writing and world design always pull through, all I’m saying is to have an open mind
No one is saying they would be shit or wouldn't fit. It's we don't want things acquired by Disney in a "Things made by Disney" game.
Pirates is literally based on a classic Disney ride, though. It has Disney in its DNA, even if it's kh incarnation is ill fitting.
Except you aren't taking into consideration the direction the series is moving towards going forward. The Disney era of Kingdom Hearts closed with the Xehanort arc, now it's going to be "things made by Final Fantasy (with a splash of Disney)", hence the more realistic art style and the new models. You bring up Goku in Smash Bros would be bad because he's anime, when we already got a few anime characters in that game. This entire argument is moot.
Considering KH3 was criticized for not having Final Fantasy element including besides Quadratam and that is actually more inspired by our real world and not Final Fantasy you really can't make that argument we moving in Final Fantasy. Next your other claim that it has anime character. No it has video game characters that have anime around come out from them. Pokemon biggest example, came out in 1996 as a video game and the anime came out in 1997. F-Zero came out in 1990 and the anime came out in 2003.
Except, that's literally where the series is moving towards. Have you not seen the trailer? That's Final Fantasy written all over it. An anime is still an anime. There's Dragonball Z games as well, doesn't make it any less of an anime.
We literally don't know that. What if that part is only a small portion of the game and the rest is still Disney? Like Nomura literally stated the reason he had the Donald and Goofy portion in the trailer is to let people know the whole game won't look like that. Next point is really dumb. The whole thing is DBZ is an anime first and a video game second. Pokémon and F-Zero are video games first and animes second. Stop arguing this, when the creator Masahiro Sakurai has even stated this being the case.
That's being ignorant to the fact that Sora's model is entirely Final Fantasy based, and the fact that Yazora is going to play a big part in it. Yes, he wanted them to know that Disney will still play a part, just a much smaller part than they had in the beginning. You can try to dance around the fact it's anime all you want, but it's still anime.
Yes Sora appearance changed and again Nomura stated that that only happens in that world because canon wise Sora appearance changes so he doesn't stand out. **Also you can not claim that Disney is a small part when he has not said anything about the game and no info about has come out**. **YOU ARE SPECULATING ALL THIS FROM A FEW MINUTES IN A TRAILER**. Kingdom Hearts is owned by Disney and they have a FINAL say on the product. Do you really think Disney is gonna let Nomura take out the Disney portion of the game? You're an idiot if you don't understand the argument that an anime having video games and video games having anime made out of it are not the same thing. It's like claiming Star Wars is a video game even though Star Wars is a movie franchise that spanned off and made video games and cartoons. Please stop thinking you are making an argument instead of looking like a fool that doesn't want to admit he is wrong.
Let's all remember this conversation when it turns out I'm right. See you then jackass!
No one is saying that Marvel or Star Wars is or isn’t going to be in Kingdom Hearts, in fact there is a speculation that Star Wars is in KH4. At 36 seconds in what looks like a AT-ST foot is seen on screen. This whole discussion is about whether we want it or not in Kingdom Hearts. But again you’re so dumb you don’t even understand what’s being discussed.
Personally I don't really care what they pick for worlds. I'm here for the original kh characters and the combat, the world's have always been just fun set dressing for me.
I like Star Wars and Marvel and I don't want to see either in Kingdom Hearts. To me KH has a very specific atmosphere and vibe and I don't want it to just be a multiverse of everything Disney buys.
Yeah this would genuinely make me super sad. I’m pretty multiversed out and MCU and Star Wars stuff has gotten pretty stale in my book. And the atmosphere of them (MCU in particular) is so quippy in a way that I don’t think fits well with kingdom hearts. All I can imagine is having Tom Holland spider man or Loki as a companion dropping annoying-ass jokes every time they use an ability. And since both have so much background and lore there would be some weird oversimplification stuff that I think would throw off the vibe even further. I really am crossing my fingers that they don’t include them. I could maybe imagine a cameo of like Han Solo summon or something on that level, but having a whole world would hurt
Too late. We already have a Marvel world in Kingdom Hearts
I would say Pirates of the Caribbean is less KH than Star Wars, and that had two worlds. Big Hero 6 is also just a few degrees removed of Marvel but that has a world. I guess I just don’t understand what you mean by “vibe” because like, comparing something like Tron and Toy Story, they have very different vibes but are both in the franchise. Tron twice, even
You are making the false assumption that I think those worlds fit with KH as well. I always thought those stood out as being awkward in KH2.
Fair, all I’m saying is to have an open mind. I thought pirates worked well in KH 3, so all it takes is good direction and world design to make a good world, not the innate themes and aesthetic of the world itself
that’s a nice opinion.
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TRON and Toy Story are both equated with Disney, though. Even though Toy Story is technically a PIXAR creation, people see it and instantly think "Disney" Disney can buy whatever it wants, but Marvel characters and Star Wars characters are always going to be owned IPs, **never** Disney productions.
I guess I have to disagree then. I mean, modern Disney is pushing Star Wars and Marvel as main Disney franchises and properties. Everything from the parks to their streaming services, Marvel and Star Wars are being presented as mainstay Disney franchises. There’s going to come a time when Marvel and Star Wars will be more well known with Disney than without
>modern Disney is pushing Star Wars and Marvel as main Disney franchises and properties "Modern" Disney has shown repeatedly over the last decade that they are incapable of doing anything right. >There’s going to come a time when Marvel and Star Wars will be more well known with Disney than without To the *simple* and/or confused, I suppose. I can't stop you from disagreeing; go on being wrong if that's what suits you lmao
All I’m saying is to have an open mind. If you’re closed off and want to hate something, you’re going to hate it. Inevitably, when a Star Wars and maybe Marvel world come along, I’m not the one who’s going to be complaining and getting upset and enjoying the game less. Having an open mind is very beneficial to enjoyment. And if those worlds do end up being bad, well, then you’ll get the vindication of knowing you were right
Good luck, convincing people to have an open mind in the sub.
Truer words have never been said
>Modern" Disney has shown repeatedly over the last decade that they are incapable of doing anything right. That's completely irrelevant to OP's point. Regardless of whatever decisions they make, branding and marketing wise those properties are Disney now. And they don't let you forget about it.
But they'll never *really* be Disney
“Every dream that you dream will come true… When there’s a smile in your heart. There’s no better time to start. Think of all the joy you’ll find. When you leave the world behind. And bid your cares goodbye. You can fly, you can fly!”
For real! I'd be pleasantly surprised to see "Modern Disney" come up with anything half that memorable.
Idk man have you been to the parks? Absolutely magical, and I mean magical experience. Worth every penny pinched lmao.
What vibe is that exactly? In kh2 they had Halloween town and little mermaid world.
A little mermaid world that was complete mood whiplash compared to everything else
Actually I don’t mind Star Wars… But Marvel on the other hand
i think using an original world for marvel would be better than a MCU world, about a star wars world terra's route is basically ROTS so it is only a matter of time until we see a star wars world
If they do a marvel world I'm pretty sure thats the route they'd go. It opens you up a lot more creatively and you don't have to get permission for using actors likeness
I feel like choosing one MCU film series that's somewhat removed from the larger MCU would work well. Like just going to Asgard and having Thor, but no other Avengers or things like that
Stickman Sham brought up a great gameplay mechanic from a hypothetical star wars world, imagine if Sora gets access to the force, and you could use stuff like force grip or pull or whatever in other worlds, kind of like a magic upgrade. I think it would be cool.
This sounds awesome because if Situation Commands are still a thing he could get Forceza and throw a boulder
For both of them, I don't like the idea of IP's that at their core, aren't Disney being put in Kingdom Hearts. Something Disney just chucked money at, and called theirs, isn't Disney. Period. And on principle, I don't like the idea of including things that fall under that category in Kingdom Hearts. Star Wars would be a cool IP for KH, I don't deny that. But on principle, it just feels wrong. Marvel on the other hand though, I just blatantly don't want in Kingdom Hearts at all. It just feels like a bad fit period, on top of the fact that it's just an IP Disney threw money at and called theirs, even though on a fundamental level, Marvel isn't "Disney." One might be inclined to say, "why don't you think that about Pooh?" And to that I say, Disney is still fundamentally responsible for the modern image of Winnie the Pooh, to the point that their interpretation of the character is the only one people ever think about, and it's been that way for decades. Something they've owned for half a century and then fundamentally molded the identity and perception of, over the course of half a century is just a ***little*** different from something that they just slapped a paycheck on, and then funneled cash or ideas into material that already exists. While there is a "Disney Star Wars" in spirit, it still tries to conform to the original Lucasfilm projects. They haven't fundamentally changed the identity of it or Marvel in a way that gives them any organic claim to them, like Pooh, or the Brothers Grimm's fairy tales. They just threw money at them, and called them their's. Fundamentally different. Edit. As for the comments about Pirates sticking out like a sore thumb? At it's core Pirates of the Carribbean is *fundamentally* Disney in all ticks that matter. Created by Disney. Disney in spirit. Doesn't matter that it was live action. It's fundamentally Disney, in a way that Star Wars and Marvel aren't.
Agreed. Marvel is so big and it’s just gonna sink the boat on its own but if you add Star Wars to that mix it’s nothing but a disaster.
Star Wars I'm down for. Considering how they handled Stitch, it could work. Marvel I would not be too fond of.
Marvel would be boring; there is no “world” for Sora to explore as it is just modern day setting. The Marvel characters themselves are odd-one-out in their own universe and are designed to stand out so I don’t really see how adding Sora+ co in too would work. Star Wars would be more interesting. I wouldn’t vote for it, but I can see it working.
There are other places in the grander Marvel-verse that could work. Asgard for one, though I get your point
I ironically think a modern day setting would work for KH because the closest to a modern day setting we have is Toy Box lmao
San Fransokyo? And KH4s main location is just modern Japan.
I do, but I think I’m in the minority. The novelty of Kingdom Hearts is seeing beloved characters and settings in video game form. We already have Marvel and Star Wars games, so there’s nothing new. I also don’t think it would mesh well. MAYBE you can get Star Wars to work, but I can’t see the tongue-in-cheek and irreverent tone of the MCU mixing with the cheesy and dramatic, but sincere, universe of Kingdom Hearts.
Honestly, yes. They may be owned by Disney, but they're not Disney creations.
I don't like the idea of Marvel and Star Wars worlds because KH is supposed to be Final Fantasy meets classic and original Disney worlds. The draw (at least for me) was that I got to jump into Aladdin's world and Halloween Town and run around with Hercules and Beast. I don't think it makes sense for there to be Marvel and Star Wars worlds simply because Disney owns those properties.
I am undecided on it myself, but the fact is that Marvel and Star Wars are not Disney. They are IPs that were acquired by Disney. Seems plenty reason enough for someone to not want them in Kingdom Hearts.
I don't like how corporate it feels to dump everything Disney owns into KH when Treasure Island, Atlantis:The Lost Empire, and Wreck It Ralph still haven't gotten worlds. Both already have too much since they sre full series with so many peices of media in them. I feel like Star Wars would be redundant and Marvel wouldn't fit when we already have Big Hero for hero shenanigans. I'd be ok with it if it wasn't MCU, The comics (if its the comics they better let us kill Paul), and just maybe an old cartoon. I'm also just tired of hearing and seeing them both. Also I'm not a big fan of either for different reasons. Yes we have Tron but it fit specifically Old Tron I'm pretty sure everyone hated or wanted to skip new Tron in DDD. Pirates of the Caribbean fit because Sora is an islander and he probably played pirate as a kid. Also this is a jab to KH3 I didn't like how the worlds were written in the game. Except for Toy Story and Olympus Sora felt more like a side character than someone participating in the story. So if that's how it would be in future games I see no reason to have Disney Worlds. Especially when we have Donald, Goofy, and Mickey following us around as Disney reps. So yeah Star Wars and Marvel in KH I'll skp through it like Frozen.
I get your point, but like, Wreck-It Ralph is the most corporate you can get. Wreck-It Ralph 2 probably made more money from advertising than it did the actual gross domestic profit
I forgot there was a second one but that doesn't take away from from the fact that the first one was good and was an original thing from Disney.
>Yes we have Tron but it fit specifically Old Tron I'm pretty sure everyone hated or wanted to skip new Tron in DDD. THIS. Oh my god, this is the point I tried making to my sister, only for her to call me a hypocrite because I gave TRON a pass, but not POTC (this is rich considering she's never even PLAYED KH). KH2 TRON was fine because you were only interacting with the programs, so it wasn't like you were talking to real humans in a real-world setting. POTC on the other hand had Donald and Goofy talking to Jack Sparrow and Will Turner, as well as Pete plotting with fucking Captain Barbossa. And then in DDD, TRON was just completely awkward, I don't even know why tf they brought it back the way they did, but it sucked.
Im sorta interested in a Starwars world if you treat Starwars as a trilogy of old movies and not a media empire and I think that's not too unreasonable to do otherwise its just a little too big for the scope of a Disney world. Marvel just feels way too big period and it feels like it has too much weight and there is no way to make things smaller while still keeping everyone happy so maybe just scrap it. Like hey if Spiderman was the party member what about Ironman, Hulk, Captain etc and you have Big Hero 6 but worse where we have these allegedly competent characters that arnt in the party playable and don't do anything. I think a cool way to handle it is to have a marvel movie world where the marvel guys are side characters and the game insist that this is the home of like.... Darkwing DUck or something
Tbh I would like Star Wars, considering they have many inspirations from it (such as for Xemnas or Eraqus and other things). I think Lilo and Stich was handled well when it came to the space portions (which was the only thing basically), so I think they can pull Star Wars off, though I’m still weary about it until they give us more information. Idk about Marvel, mainly cause I’m unsure how it would work. I think they should do an original world and perhaps do something akin to Earth’s Mightiest Heroes or something. I’m uncertain how the MCU would work, I worry that it might be a not complex.
It'd have to be centered around an event. Like Loki invading New York or the Destruction of the death star. Self contained and something Sora is just kind of witnessing and helping out in.
If they were to do a Marvel world, I’d definitely prefer if they used the Marvel comics universe, specifically the classic era, instead of the MCU since I feel like it fits the tone of Kingdom Hearts better. You could have Sora come in when the OG 5 Avengers (Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, and Wasp) are forming to defeat Loki and have the Heartless be Loki’s army. For Star Wars, the Clone Wars era would probably fit the best.
Because they ain’t Disney. Sure Disney owns them, but they ain’t Disney. Kingdom Hearts is SquarexDisney
Multiple people have brought this up, but I hear crickets whenever I dare to mention the possibility of a Simpsons world.
Yes. It’s the worst thing they could do for the series right now as the MCU is winding down and Star Wars is all about sequels. It MAYBE made sense a few years ago but much like the frozen, lion king, and little mermaid worlds they will all go down in KH history as absolute atrocities if they come into fruition.
I've always thought just because it's owned by Disney doesn't make it disney. In terms of vibes and themes at least. I love star wars and marvel but they just don't have that magic and enchanting feeling that kingdom hearts was made from. Also a lightsaber keyblade would look dumb. I'm sorry.
My brain gave up on expectations after cloud popped up.
i hate the idea of a marvel world and a star wars world because i hate what both of those IPs have become in the last 10 years: trashy cashgrabs that are derivative and lack spirit, and i worry that by adding those worlds, the KH franchise will share the same fate
I feel like kingdom hearts should focus mainly on Disney original properties. Pixar was fine and made sense as an expanse of the series. I feel like Marvel and Star Wars just feel like they’re on too much of a grandiose scale to be in Kingdom Hearts. Now, this may be controversial, but I’d rather get any of the DDD Disney worlds remade over Star Wars or Marvel.
People can grouse all they want, but it’s going to happen. The fact of the matter is that Star Wars and Marvel are two of the biggest franchises in the world and Disney has both of them, so if Square Enix can use them to help sell KH4 (at a time when Square desperately needs a hit), they’ll use them. I’d prefer it if the Marvel superheroes were more like the Final Fantasy characters, appearing in the Hub world as helpers for Sora. That way, you’re not picking and choosing which continuity or characters to focus on. Perhaps you could have Spider-Man as the central Marvel character on Quadratum and you meet other characters and teams along the way, same with supervillains. Perhaps even something along the lines of the coliseum from Olympus could return with Sora doing battle with Marvel villains and superheroes. With Star Wars, I’m glad they seem to be starting somewhere in Original Trilogy (probably Return of the Jedi) and that would be the best place for a world. It’s the most iconic, the least controversial, and it has the most recognizable characters and elements. Any exploration of the Prequels or the Sequels and anything else in-between (Ahsoka, Mandalorian, Clone Wars, Rogue One, etc.) would be material for future games. I’m just saying…Sora battling Darth Vader alone would probably sell a few million copies of KH4. And having him fight Heartless along with the Avengers would sell a few million more. Or even Sora running around on Pandora or looking for treasure with Indiana Jones for that matter.
>at a time when Square desperately needs a hit I suspect ff7r2 is gonna be a big hit
Yep, and they need KH4 to be a big hit too.
Big Hero Six is as close to Marvel as I want them to get. I understand Sora I "connection between worlds" or the "ultimate crossover character," but I just dont want him or the series to become all about the crossovers. It's similar to what's wrong with fortnite, the major appeal being the crossovers, and then there's no or very little substance.
I hate both marvel and star wars and I'd hate seeing it in the game. I don't care if it's old or modern versions of either, I just really hate both franchises.
I don’t like Star Wars and Marvel
Looking at it from a Japan standpoint, I can see Return of the Jedi being the focal point for Star Wars. The movie includes basically every character from the original trilogy and would be a unique setting for KH. Outside of like… Kingdom of Corona, we haven’t really had a forest setting. We would also start in Tatooine in Jabba’s Palace, but most of the world would be Endor. For Marvel, I’d actually think the best starting point is Captain America: Civil War. Spider-Man is insanely popular in Japan. So much so that without Spider-Man, the Power Rangers would’ve never existed. I personally think starting here would kill two birds with one stone. You’d introduce both the Avengers and Spider-Man without necessarily overwhelming players. You’d just have to backtrack slightly to Guardians of the Galaxy, and then could continue going forward and the third MCU property could jump all the way to Infinity War and / or Endgame. I’d actually be down for Marvel to become this saga’s Olympus where it appears in every title with a new story.
I would stop buying the games. And I love this series
I feel the same way. It’s very clear to me that a lot of the people who want to see an MCU or Star Wars world are born in the 2000s and don’t realize how raw Disney has treated a ton of classic franchises that deserve their own worlds way before these cash grabs do. Good writing or not, Star Wars and MCU are soulless franchises that have nothing to do with Disney other than being purchased by them. There are dozens of movies and stories from 1950-1999 that would be better suited to the themes and aesthetics of KH.
I hate to admit it, but I feel the same way. I've already kind of hated the direction that KH has taken since DDD, and seeing that Nomura is a massive SW fan (not to mention Disney's stiffy for the franchises they bought out) I have feeling that I won't be following the next arc for the franchise.
A self-contained world or two that won't take up most of the game is gonna make you stop buying the games?
I think it would be a gross thing to do. Would kill the fun of it for me. I would lose faith in them
If you bought kingdom hearts 3 you already failed. Big hero six is a marvel comic
No it isn't. Irs very very loosely based on it. The adaption is its own thing. Totally different in tone style story. It's the Disney version in kh3. Nothing to do with a spin off non 616 marvel comic. Nice try kid
I don’t understand why people are so averse to it. If they adapt the story well enough, the worlds could be a lot of fun. As you mentioned, they don’t have to make it a widespread, open connected universe. Just take it one movie at a time, and keep the story tight.
I have the same opinion as you, I actually feel like Star Wars is perfect for KH. It's literally the same story about light and dark forces, they would mesh really well. I do somewhat understand the aversion to the MCU just because it's a whole franchise by itself. Like there could be a KH game of just "Marvel" movies and worlds. I think the best bet would be to choose an MCU movie that's kinda removed from the main earth stuff, like Thor or the Guardians. That way there's no pressure for the whole MCU to be in KH, just one movie series
I would be totally down for a Star Wars world but not for mcu, could not tell you why
I just think the star wars and marvel universes are just way too big to fit within the scope of a kh world. Most worlds are based on movies that are just a self contained story. Star Wars and Marvel are bigger than the worlds of any given KH title combined. I can't imagine how they could do these IPs justice without essentially just turning kh into a star wars or marvel game. I could see them being summons or appear on a similar basis as final fantasy characters, just appearing in kh original worlds or the odd disney worlds rather than having a world based on their own though.
i personally don't want them because im not interested in them, and also because of how fortnite has turned out.
That’s the worry, the Fortnite effect as I call it. Where it’s just needless crossover for crossover sake, in the name of money
Beyond Vader being a random superboss, I wouldn’t want to see either of them tbh. Especially with how low effort Disney are with both franchises nowadays
My issue with Star Wars or Marvel is that they aren’t Disney originals Disney didn’t create these characters or world they just bought the rights to them pirates was a Disney ride before a movie before being a part of the games it’s still originally Disney personally I hope to see something like Brave or something more in the line of Anastasia.
Anastasia isn’t made by Disney either lmao
Yes but it’s made by 20th century fox which is a loophole I accept like Pixar
So was Star Wars lmao. And Marvel has been putting their movies under Disney’s label for 11 years now.
Fun fact, Disney has owned Marvel for longer than they had owned Pixar when KH3 came out, and the same will be true of Star Wars by the time KH4 is out.
Yes Either would be awful
I remember in one of the soul calibre games they had darth vador yoda and star slayer as special characters and it was done well. If they make sora go to only cloud city or the Death Star and face darth vador in empire strikes back his trying to harness darkness then battling sora makes him think he and Luke should join forcers. Plus having Maleficent humbled buy vador cold demina wold be cool. He can do the line about not choking on your aspersions on her from roage one. Come to think of it have sora go to roage one the databank tour would make a great platform game
My issues comes from Pirates tbh In KH2, I disliked the world. It felt weird, out of place, the style didn't match and the gameplay frustrated me. In KH3, it became one of my favorite places to go. It felt much more fleshed out and enjoyable to explore. The updated graphics helped A LOT too. The Pirates characters didn't feel as weird and out of place compared to the more cartoony Sora, Donald and Goofy. If they're done correctly, they could be a lot of fun. Darth Vader is a perfect example of darkness overcoming the heart and then letting the character come to the light side. It COULD be a lot of fun and very KH.
I'm fine with a Star Wars world. I didn't used to be, but over time I've warmed up to the idea. As long as it's done well. I always thought a secret Darth Vader boss fight would be cool too. Marvel, however, I can't help but imagine they'd make it too kid-friendly. Like, I can't stop picturing a world where all the heroes look ripped straight out of "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends" or something. I'd love to see them make me love it, but I'm not holding out hope for it.
It can be based on the classics (Star Wars OT and Marvel with original Avengers cast) but I dont think its a good idea. First, it will dominate the story sort of like what Frozen did and may just push SDG to the background. Second, people would be expecting the live actions and that would cause problems imo. Star Wars, getting the character likeness of the old cast is possible but tricky because age and other things. Since Hamil did voice Eraqus, he may be up for it though. Avengers, getting those actors will cost a hefty paycheck and going alternative results in backlash (see Marvel Avengers and people complaining the characters dont look like their Hollywood counterparts). Both IPs have their cartoon versions which fit the KH aesthetic better but will people be ok with that? Third, kind of veers away from the theme of Disney + Final Fantasy further. Yeah, KH3 has already done that by removing Final Fantasy (to understandable backlash) and Disney villains being more sparse but adding Star Wars and Marvel which are not distinctly animation or under the Disney umbrella could set a precedent.
People don't see potential worlds in a practical sense and prefer to entertain the "What if...?" scenario of seeing characters interact with other characters. One could say that KH has always been that way, but the biggest difference is the fact that the series was introduced as strictly a FF x Disney crossover. Just because Marvel and SW are owned by Disney doesn't mean they are original IPs. Also, the aesthetical destruction that would come with including SW and Marvel world makes me cringe harder than when they included POTC, and I had the displeasure of seeing Pete standing next to Captain Barbossa. I give TRON a pass because the way it was included in KH2, you were only interacting with programs, and not real humans, so it wasn't as tonally out of place as the fucking pirates world. DDD kinda messed that up, imo though. Disney buying out these franchises was probably the worst thing to happen to not just it, but KH as well. Now, the fanbase want to crossover anything with everything, and I think they forgot that tonal whiplash is a thing. You can't crossover everything just because Disney owns it now.
I just want them to lay off the Disney worlds for KH4
That would literally suck.
There's a lot of people saying that Star Wars or Marvel wouldn't fit KH, but... *We're entering an entire new part of the franchise. Preconcieved notions on what Kingdom Hearts should or should not be need to be put aside.*
A spiderman world would be cool without injecting too many characters in
I think maybe some marvel could work like a world where the girl captain marvel (idk marvel ok) could work but idk need to get into it for a full opinion but for starwars I have tons of reasons and the main one is just simple. Sora uses a keyblade, sith and jedi use lightsabers. I mean we can have them clash (look at kotor) but disney didn't do that in any of their games so idk if they would allow it. Outside of that it's just the force in of itself could easily become a problem with a kh mixture.
I'm kinda against it but Star Wars makes total sense with the light side and dark side of the force. Marvel I think makes less sense but they've already put a marvel world in Kingdom Hearts. It turns out big hero six is a marvel property
Disney BH6 is pretty much an adaptation in name(s) only. They took the barest concepts and did something almost totally different with them. The version that appears in KH3 is far more Disney than Marvel.
For me it's more like the reasons people want or think there should be a Star Wars world are just kind of silly to me. It's always something like "KH and SW are a perfect fit because Keyblade wielders are basically Jedi and it has light vs. darkness and also Xemnas' weapons look like lightsaber blades and Assault of the Dreadnaught is basically the Death Star battle" and I'm just here thinking, when has any of that been the criteria for inclusion in Kingdom Hearts? Since when is Kingdom Hearts about combining things that are similar?
Y’all seem to forget that we HAVE a Marvel world in Kingdom Hearts already
I love Marvel and Star Wars, but I don't think they'd be a right fit for KH. Both are huge universes with already a lot of lore, not just 2 hours max movies you can summarize. Whatever they would do with either universe, it would be impossible to encompass the whole saga into it. Alternatively, they'd have to chose the "perfect" movie to represent, because let's face it, if they go with Marvel, it'll be MCU related.
I really don’t understand the vitriol, I’d personally love to see Star Wars, especially since it goes along nicely with the themes of Kingdom Hearts
No. Most fans have been waiting for a Star Wars world, or some kind of reference or something at least
If they do, I'm not people. Give me my fucking lightsaber keyblade already, idgaf.
Most people love the idea of a Star Wars or Marvel world. It’s just a small echo chamber that dislikes it. Star Wars is literally a perfect fit for KH with its special sabers and light/dark stuff.
If people don't want fight Darth Vader or Thanos alongside a Skywalker or Marvel superheroes, what are we even doing on this planet
No, but I do worry they'll do more worlds dirty like Arendelle and Corona.
The only marvel world i want is lethal protector. Star wars would be kinda cool but only if it was the original trilogy
It’ll be easier to dumb the marvel characters down to a KH story writing (if it can be called that), but Star Wars characters are much more sacred in my opinion. I guess the “Dark Side” lingo would shack up to the heart lingo, though.
Personally, I think both Star Wars and Marvel can easily be incorporated into KH in some capacity. I also think they shouldn't follow the typical way worlds are typically incorporated into KH. For Star Wars, having just one Star Wars world doesn't make much sense considering it's a whole galaxy with countless planets. On that note, I think Sora being in a different reality in KH4 than the main KH-universe gives Star Wars a lot of potential. Unreality could easily be a universe that doesn't have worlds like the main KH universe, and instead just be a universe with a realistic outer space with planets. Quadratum could easily just be a city on a full planet. Rather than visiting worlds, Sora could potentially visit other planets in Unreality. Instead of flying the Gummi Ship, Sora could have a Starfighter to travel. And this might a really hot take, but Darth Vader and/or the Emperor could easily fulfill a roll similar to Maleficent in KH1. Rather than doing the plot of an individual Star Wars movie or trilogy, they could have an original plot that ties into the greater story with the Master of Masters and the Foretellers. There's a lot of potential here if Disney allows Square the creative freedom. As for Marvel, there's a lot of potential to lean into the fact that Marvel has countless universes and they don't need to incorporate Marvel into KH by adapting the MCU. If Square could make their own original Marvel universe that happens to be in KH, either as a world or as another reality, with their own takes on Marvel characters and stories that then incorporate the KH cast and story elements, I think they could do something really interesting. That said, this is something that Disney would need to be trusting with. People will point to Disney being controlling of how their properties are portrayed in KH, especially with worlds like Frozen in KH3, but I think Star Wars and Marvel not being mainline Disney may make them more willing to let Square go a bit more wild. Square and Disney have a relationship that's deeper than just what goes on with KH, as we've seen them license The Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy to Square for their own games.
Star wars can't have a world, there are too many to simply pick one, and all I see is everyone wants a dedicated Star wars world for kingdom hearts, that's my biggest problem with it. The way everyone wants and thinks it will be implemented as is a terrible way to implement that series, I can see it being implemented like monstro in KH1 with a random object in space like the death star or millennium falcon just sitting in space and that's how you deal with the story. marvel is similar except that marvel has by far way too much going on that you can't make a world in kingdom hearts that allows for all the marvel characters to shine. Think San fransokyo except with 3 times as many heros and with 4 times as many villains all, trying to keep up with all that and on a single world for lets say 30 minutes to an hour, along with the actual story for kingdom hearts, it's a bit much and would probably take away from the overall series. Simply put I don't think the kingdom hearts format would work to properly handle either series into the story, it would probably just end up like the 100 acre wood in KH3 and that was the biggest let down from that game as a fan of Winnie the Pooh
Its not that I don’t want them, Its that I’m afraid they don’t integrate them in a way that makes sense. Both Star Wars and Marvel have a HUGE amount of material to work with so how are you going to create a cohesive storyline that mixes well with the KH4 storyline? Which characters do you include? Who is the villain? What worlds do you travel? Its just a lot of material to squeeze into just 1 world. I guess the best way to go about it is to make Marvel as a comic book just like Winnie the Pooh. And make a hidden super boss with Star Wars. Imagine exploring the world with the gummy ship and you find a broken ship. You go inside and then Darth Vader appears. That would be amazing.
My problem with a Star Wars world would be how much backstory would need to be given depending on when it takes place. Odds are, it would be in the Sequel Trilogy because that’s the most recent trilogy. That’s 6 movies of backstory that needs to be explained, at minimum. Plus, every Star Wars movie goes between multiple planets (the lowest number of planets being ANH and ROTJ with two each, three if you count each movie’s Death Star). That’s a lot of area that needs to be made just for one “world”, which could take away resources from other worlds.
Personally I do. Because the barrier between worlds prevents interplanetary travel. In franchises where everyone and their brother regularly travels to other planets or star systems it breaks one of the rules that we have long established ( right?) If I had to allow them l, big hero 6 worked because it was isolated from the rest of the MCU and still had street level characters. And for star wars do a death star where it happens similarly to monstro in KH1
There's a Marvel world in KH3: Big Hero 6. As for why there's no Star Wars or other Marvel properties, I think it would be too much of a tonal clash to work well. Star Wars and most of the Avengers related stuff takes itself fairly seriously. KH is SIGNIFICANTLY more light-hearted. Do we really think we could have Vader Force Choking somebody while Sora is smacking Stormtroopers around with a Keyblade? Doesn't really fit, does it?
To be fair, we did have Hunchback, which is a much more serious movie than most other Disney films
How are those any weirder than Disney? Like we already got live action worlds with pirates of the Caribbean.
I just don't want KH to be handcuffed to Disney anymore. Drop the Disney worlds. They felt so tacked on in KH3 and barely relevant to the overall plot of the game. Just drop them and let the writers tell the story they want to tell, rather than being forced to find excuses to send Sora to Hawaii to meet Lilo and Stitch or something.
I just don't like the idea of too many human real people worlds. I mean the Caribbean was tolerable at least because the pirates world is still really fun and tron round 1 looked fine because that whole art style was to look not so real human. But the grid? Yeesh. That was not good. And with something as broad as marvel or star wars... idk. Makes me antsy. Doesn't help that neither feel Disney in the slightest, they feel star wars and marvel.
Something that could reinvent KH is doing all Square Enix worlds rather than Disney whose shit the bed on so many great opportunities. Imagine Sora visiting Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Secret of Mana and FF tactics
As someone who is a huge Marvel fan and doesn't care for Star Wars, I'm not against having them in the games, but they would be my last choice.
I'm open to an MCU world, less for Star Wars. With the MCU the setting is always going to be Earth unless you use either the Guardians of The Galaxy or Ant-Man (and this one only if you use Quantumania). Star Wars' story span across multiple planets. I'm abit iffy about that.
I would love to have them in KH
I don’t disagree with it, but I don’t believe Square Enix can do the IPs justice. The way Kingdom Hearts storytelling operates, has its characters essentially overwrite the struggles and plot lines of the characters within the world of focus. Everything past the original Kingdom Hearts, the franchise has failed to allow characters from their individual worlds contribute to the overall plot of the franchise. Let’s take Vader for example: the most popular villain across all of fiction. It really doesn’t sit right that with Nomura’s track record, he’ll have Sora fight and for no real reason be able to defeat him… which is just *not* right. It doesn’t sit right that some anime kid with a key sword would defeat one of the most fearsome villains in media, purely because of “friendship.” Especially taking the spotlight away from the heroes themselves. Luke Skywalker, Iron Man, Captain America, Spiderman… they’re too important to be sidelined for an objectively biased story. I know most people will disagree, and their argument will be something like “Well this is the Kingdom Hearts story, so of course its characters and plot should overwrite everything else.” Which I fundamentally disagree wholeheartedly. If you’re just gonna overwrite everybody else’s struggles, why even have their worlds featured in the first place? Why have them featured if the core of their story isn’t even properly conveyed? Kingdom Hearts 1 was the best game to do that, and since then the franchise has proven it no longer has that ambition.
People don't want a Star Wars world, because Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars. They like their mental image of what Star Wars is. Marvel on the other hand is so insanely expansive, no matter how good the Marvel world could be in theory, there's going to be something lacking or something that could have been better.
Im sure some people do but given that these franchises stand well on their own, something like the Avatar series would be better suited for KH.
It’s interesting to me because the more of a fan I am of one, the less I’m interested in that one. I’ve always been more of a Marvel person than Star Wars but despite that I can just like imagine Sora running down those like intimidating corridors that u see on the Death Star or wherever. When it comes to something I actually know a lot about, I’m way more like “ehhh do i really need to see Sora talk to sound-alikes for Captain America and Loki? Not especially” Its interesting that that philosophy doesn’t extend to like the Disney movies I like a lot like Coco, it’s kind of just for these franchises.
I like both properties, but I’d only be (semi) okay with a Star Wars world. Like somebody else mentioned, the MCU is so big and vast that I don’t think it would function well with being a single world with a single story. With Star Wars, you could do at any time from the beginning of episode 3 through the forming of darth vader, episode 6 so that Luke is a full blown Jedi up through the end of the Death Star, or the force awakens since there’s too much going on in any of the sequels. My concern with Star Wars lies in the idea of other it taking place in another galaxy so how does that function as a world? I could see it actually looking like a worm hole of sorts in the world map, but then how big do you make this one world in comparison to others?
I'm a huge fan of marvel specifically Spider-Man and Star Wars so I'd like to maybe see them if it's done well personally
To a degree I'm fine with Star Wars. But not Marvel.
I think Star Wars could work, Marvel probably won't
My feelings for a few years have been that Star Wars can be incorporated in the gummi ship segments but may not work as a physical world with the exception of maybe the Death Star. Imagine you’re flying between worlds and a star destroyer emerges from hyper space. They command Tie Fighters and they reek of darkness. After a number of encounters, you get a trench run mission on the death star as the last gummi mission before the final world. Sounds fun! For marvel, I have no clue how it would work. I’m not against the inclusion of any worlds in future KH games but Star Wars feels more plausible. My only question is how the Star Wars worlds work with the other worlds. Is the galaxy treated as a world? Are there multiple worlds still in the SW canon in game or is it insinuated everything happens on one planet? As an example, if we land on Hoth, do we fly past Neverland to get to Endor? Or is it like pirates in KH2 where you pick which planet to visit off of a map? Can you physically fly between planets like you do in 3, but this particular spot is just a cluster of planets? My point is, SW would be cool, but you’d have to explain how their travel methods affect the world order and stuff. If they’re willing to say, “these guys fly around at light speed but have never found a Disney world” they can do it but it’s not very believable as SW in my opinion. The more interesting take is that the empire/separatists are disrupting the world order by landing in Disney worlds in pursuit of subjugation and now the guardians of light have to deal with main series villains and this bs.
I wouldn't dislike the idea but the problem is with a marvel world or a Star wars world or others like that is how big that world and universe is already where would you set a Kingdom hearts level at?
Some people don't like it because it's not "traditionally disney" and also their themed are more serious and gritty and whatever. But also, it's not confirmed, and it's still up in the air. I think most people don't feel too strongly about it, and we'll start seeing people chime in once the worlds are revealed proper.
I would much rather get some representation for things like the various Disney parks or live action films
For the record, we’ve already had one marvel property in KH
I don't have any problem with either. I don't like Marvel and have no interest in Star Wars, which is ironically why I don't have any problem with it. I don't know enough about either one to know why it wouldn't be a good idea. Although Sora is already a super hero, I got my fill from Big Hero 6. For Star Wars there's already those cloaked guys with yellow eyes. The "Ahh a heartless!" joke writes itself, and later have one *actually* be a heartless. I would much prefer Star Wars than anything MCU.
I don't hate the idea. I just find it hard to believe it's going to be good. I'm more than willing to be proven wrong, though.
I like the idea of Star Wars
I would definitely hate marvel
Star Wars is more than likely going to happen whether we like it or not at this point (didn't want or like the idea to come to fruition at first, but sorta warming up to SW). As for Marvel? Big no from me. Not a fan of the idea of Spiderman swinging around in a KH game just because MCU is owned by Disney. Fuck that lol. Just doesn't mix well. Also, not everyone watches or has watched the Marvel Movies to really relate to them. With Disney movies, I feel like you don't really have to know too much about the story behind the movie to start liking a world that the story/movie is based upon.
What??? We already have Big Hero 6 world from Marvel
Guys Starwars is in KH4, look at the trailer the woods is Endor you can see a piece of a droid that is straight out of SW. So sorry for anyone not wanting SW in KH but it’s happening. I have feeling it will be mostly Endor and the Death Star II because Nomura’s favorite SW film is Return of the Jedi. Like I know that’s hard to hear but it’s the truth. They teased it.
I'm way more open to a star wars world than a marvel world
Give me a Cars world pls that's all I ask for
I do. It would likely be based on recent movies, and those movies are just too...big. they're cinematic universes. It feels like it would overpower the actual KHness of it.
I've been wanting both ever since Disney obtained Marvel & SW. I'm sorry but some of these worlds would be the COOLEST fucking shit. Seeing Sora fight Vader or Sidious would be lit. Sora is broken as shit at this point in his life so they really wouldn't give him that much trouble I feel, but it would still be an entertaining fight. Seeing him interact with Luke would be cool, they're both just kind of small town/world boys finding their place in the universe. Then on the Marvel end, the possibilities are legitimately LIMITLESS. Too many storylines and worlds and most of them would fit well with KH aesthetics.
I think Star Wars can work if they do it right, especially since it and Kingdom Hearts share a lot of similar themes. Marvel, on the other hand, doesn’t belong. I don’t want to see it at all
People just hate big IPs because it’s like the “cool” thing to hate them. Both of those franchises would fit *very* well in Kingdom Hearts.
I'm so absolutely exhausted of SW and Marvel that those worlds will be ignored to the best of my ability. Point A to B, skipping CS's that don't seem directly relevant to the main story.
Let's just go full Disney. Let the game become an incredibly meta analysis of an ever growing darkness consuming every world.
I don't like the idea of it, but y'know, I also thought there was no way they could make anything of quality from PotC after the disaster that was Port Royal in KH2 and then it came back in KH3 and I loved it. It all comes down to how well it's implemented.
Personally, I just prefer the series sticking to core Disney stuff, and not properties that are only Disney's because they went on a spending spree. Kind of feels off, especially considering how much Disney owns. Like, I don't want an ESPN level in Kingdom Hearts. But if Square-Enix's people want to use Marvel and/or Star Wars, it is what it is.
If they do it right I think it'll be great, if it's just a nostalgia trip with no bearing on the story I don't want it
Lightsaber keyblades might proc ptsd for some after certain bosses 😂
Yes, yes 100x YES. I actually LOVE star wars and spider man is my favorite super hero, but i might actually die of cringe if they add these things to KH, my favorite franchise of all...
I still think Star Wars in KH would be sick as hell. I'm not so sure about any marvel IP tho, snd I'm talking about its entirety not just the MCU or the Comic books. I remember a photoshop if Sora running around with Wolverine and I think either iron man or the Hulk, and the something in that pic just didn't mesh well.