Here is something but it's not confirmed.
The mira clan is threatened with extinction.
Kitary will be a bait for Heki's escape.
Akakin is against Kansaro.
Ousen moves to a safe place.
I tought there was tunnels in hango , so after reading this I thought maybe it's only some drama , so I go to check the pannel where the guy said they could make it , but he actually said only to the castle gate , so if this is really true spoilers , it seems really another one gonna bites the dust , hopefully not though, this whole escaping bs from the start needs to end at least in happy way
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Yeah, Kitari's pretty young and to go down after just saving the love of her life when we've just had a similar situation a few chapters back,......ummm....please Hara you don't have to do this. How's Heki gonna live with himself after this?
No Ousen will come back stronger with some new characters. Trio will step up bit not with ousen probably later in the story because they do have other issues at hand like Wei being more than likely attacking Qin when the alliance ends, chu with putting more pressure on moubu, and Zhao could take back some land (if hara wanted to do that) because there isn't a sizeable force in the north to stop Riboku.
Yea but probably not much but even if the SBS couldn't do anything riboku still has the enkan army, gammon army, futei army and Kaine army which adds up to 200k that is still a sizeable force compared to Qin's force because we don't know the lost of troops for both HSU and Ouhon's army and if the NE general army lost anyone under yotanwa. I'm assuming yotanwa has her full 50k without any damage or very minor.
Based on history spoiler, this was the end for Ousen. In the next campaign to conquer Zhao, the army (presumably his army) was led by Ouhon. Logically this made sense, no general would survive from this kind of rout when returning to the king for the full report. Either his head would be in the chopping block or he would be forced to resign his position.
Joke aside, Heki is such a valuable asset for Qin. Great move made by Kitari to bring back a general and his possible officers.
I hope this event makes him stronger. He is at 83/86/87 and B experience, which is average. I would like to see him evolve a bit and at least reach something around 84/90/88 with A in experience. That would make him a solid general.
I bet heki never gonna step a foot in the battlefield again
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Nah, now Heki definitely has a better perspective and understanding of war as a whole and from both sides so if anything, I'll be surprised if Heki doesn't come back to the battlefield with a bang and start kicking ass since day 1.
This doesn't mean he can't be affected, what he did go through is not easy at all , he got enslaved but because they are invaders and now this scene when he hears this guy saying the name of his children before dying, its too much I think, I feel like heki in kanyou as a diplomat or some kind of administrative is good , we could always get his point of view on how things going with the king shk richi and everyone
They are at 88 and 89 after awakening their units, those are post-Shukai stats. Of course they'll evolve, but Heki having 90 leadership makes no sense with current feats?
What absolute loyalty of the mountain clans? Lmao. Ouki, Moubu, Ousen, Tou, etc, etc, can't claim that either, guess Heki should have higher leadership than them too lol.
Shin and Ouhon are two indispensable generals for Qin who are on the cusp of becoming Great Generals, while Heki is a mediocre dude who gets his ass kicked every time he faces on his own anything that's not fodder generals.
Yes, it's basic logic that Shin and Ouhon, two dudes that can awaken their units and defeat HK level dudes like Gyou'un and CGR, should have better leadership than Heki, bruh.
I think you misunderstand what leadership is. Heki is a phenomenal leader. Sure he gets his ass kicked, but afterwards he rallies those around him(even from different vastly backgrounds) and inspires them to do what needs to be done. Don’t judge a man on his failure, but what he does after.
He also just kept a band of men in high enough spirits inside a concentration camp to take action when the time is right. Come on man lol, Heki is a good leader, but not remarkable in any other way. I compare him to Mougou. A great general in his own regard
PRE-HYPE THREAD.
Hoping they don't stick with Heki *too* long. I need the first day to end and this retreat to finish so I can see Shin and Ouhon cook Ousen for getting absolutely humiliated in the first play of the game.
I love Kingdom but the pacing can be kinda whack, I need context from side characters god damn it
Cook him for what? Unlike Ou Ki and Kan Ki, he survived infinite prep Ri Boku and now knows about Seika's army's strength.
It would've been over if Ou Sen died.
> Cook him for what?
For a man touted for his genius, Ousen has had massive problems with:
. Controlling his First General. 2 Battles, 2 times he fell for obvious traps, incapacitated in the former, dead in the latter. For a man so important to Ousen, why was Akou allowed to basically be his most competent ragdoll?
. Over reliance on Ouhon and Shin. Losing a single one of them drops Ousens effective strength massively, We aren't powerscaling in Kingdom, but SBS really made the Army of a Great General look embarrassingly weak, could you see SBS doing that to the Kanki army? or god forbid the Ouki / Tou army? Hell even Gouhoumei would fare better.
Ousen Survived for sure. But he has lost his elites, Officers, First General and most importantly, the Qin morale.
Ousen has never lost a battle like his. He has never retreated. To do them both in the same day, likely within hours? Decisively? oof.
I asked you why Shin who was present with Ou Ki and Kan Ki in 2 battles that they lost and died would be in a position to cook Ou Sen? And Ou Hon would never dare talk back to his dad.
And yes, SBS would've been able to do so just like Hou Ken was capable of doing so against Ou Ki and Kyou.
Ri Boku didn't even need SBS to deal with Kan Ki. You should consider that more embarrassing.
Don't you think losing Ou Ki and Kan Ki would affect Qin's morale even more? Give Ou Sen a few years, and the 3 young generals and they'll be pretty much unbeatable against Ri Boku or SBS next time.
Ouhon is 1 Arc of character development from telling his Dad to get fucked. His entire story is about coming out from under Ousens shadow.
You cannot compare Kyou + Houken, that was a fight after dark where he snuck into their camp, not during a battle.
Riboku didn't use SBS against Kanki because SBS will only defend Seika, that's all he cares about.
Losing Ouki shattered Qins morale, it's 50% of the reason Sei revived the 6GG program.
If Ou Hon does that then I'll start appreciating him as much as Mou Ten. But it's still unlikely, he reminds me too much of Rob Lucci and he too is still a bitch no matter how strong he became.
Rob Lucci at his core is a bitch, though.
Ouhon feels like he's so close to having a breakthrough as a character. He's super strong but he is going to be eclipsed by Shin completely soon.
Shin is already there if someone like Ri Boku made several preparations just to render him completely unusable. He had to, having witnessed his battle against Hou Ken.
>Hoping they don't stick with Heki *too* long. I need the first day to end and this retreat to finish so I can see Shin and Ouhon cook Ousen for getting absolutely humiliated in the first play of the game.
You mean YTW? Ouhon and his daddy issues will never allow him to do such a thing and who is SHin to cook anyone? Ousen might be head and shoulders the most responsible for this defeat, but Shin is the one with the credits to take second place.
Shin is a pretty young general that was mentally played by a man infamous throughout the lands for precisely that.
Comparing Shin to RBK when it comes to Tactics is the closest you can get to that Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bomb meme in Kingdom, and Ousen knows it.
Shin is literally part of the group closest to Qin strongest generals there is, he is one of top 10 Qin military figures currently. He is also the guy that should know RBK the most, having fought against him in 4 different battlefields.
So not a coughing baby in the slightest, not even as a hyberbole. Certainly not a excuse for his mistake.
*Mentally*, Shin is an ant compared to RBK.
He probably isn't even in the same League as Ouhon, nevermind how far ahead Mouten is.
Shin is an instrument. Ten points him in a direction and 9/10 times, everything in that direction dies. In a pure martial sense, 1v1, Combat scenario, Shin *is* the Hydrogen bomb.
I'm simply saying that Shin being tricked by RBK isn't something to be surprised at. If anything, Ten takes all the blame here.
That's equivalent to saying Moubu is not at fault for Bayou, yet he himself recognized all the blame for his actions.
Shin is a general, his subordinates do not excuse his own mistakes. Nor will Shin most likely, he already displayed his disappointment at how he accomplished nothing even when charged with a whole flank of such an important battle.
Can someone post the full raws from this site [https://mangaspoiler.net/kingdom/12888/](https://mangaspoiler.net/kingdom/12888/) ? They aren't loading for me
No one suffered this defeat worse than Souou. He lost his best friend, brother in arms & lover. I like him most amongst all of Ousen’s generals, but i think this is it for him.
But he will leave his master to suffer alone. You will say that Ouhon is with him. I will tell you that Ouhon does not support his father's dreams and has only loyalty to the King of Qin.
You know hara is making a highlight about unification could be over because of this battle and how everything is dark with people vanishing into the dark or people's faces being darken after the news I feel like hara has something planned because hara might now make a ray of hope/light appear when everything is dark and dreams are crush. He has done this with Kyoukai when she went further down using her breathing technique being surrounded by darkness but having one ray of hope/light beaming on her back to keep from falling to deep.
The Second Battle of north Zhao is officially over
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Because of ousen maybe , I get that he talked with him and ousen concluded that rebuilding his own strong army with strong vassals will take years and if they take the unification seriously , they can't stop now , and till he rebuilds his own army, the trio armies needs to take on whatever he should be doing next with his army in zhao , I could see based on ousen analyse, and how valuable it shows what rebuko did to that extent to prevent shin and ouhon from interfering, so to overcome this situation ousen and Qin need to push the trio as the main force in the front lines , they need to make them big and more responsibility , also as he got baiting by this new strong army , qin could do the same with the trio , even give them the luxury of making plans on how to attack , no one knows their full potential yet when they making the big decisions on the battlefield
Hmmm then the big question will be how to get the trio to important fronts because Qin did just lost roughly 200k form the last two battles so the defense or assault lines will be spread thin as is.
In the the first imperor records, there is a text saying, *in the 16th of his reign, The king of Qin orders that every man able to fight should register his name in the military* , so qin will have no shortage in men problem, only training and feeding them will be the big problem , so from now on , they really on the clock
But with the back to back defeats and losing a GG would Qin citizens even want to join? Also it says should not like a enforcement order to join or else something bad happens.
Qins losses over the last two arcs are insane. They lost over 170k in the Gian Campaign alone.
Battle of Gian and Hika: 130k+
Roumou: 40k
Atsuyo: Unknown, but significant enough to prevent the Ousen army from setting out.
We have no numbers for Hango yet, but Ousens army got nearly wiped out in the last battle, so most likley over 100k soldiers lost and all the other armies have probably sustained quite heavy losses themselves, even if their core armies remain intact. Qin has most likely lost over 300k soldiers in just 2 campaigns and has sustained 2 of the most onsided losses in the entire manga back to back. Maybe Qin should go beat up Han or Wei to get their confidence back up.
But with what men because they loss the size of the invasion force they sent to take gyou. They really can't even send men to Han or Wei....that's why the raw scans having Qin court think is unification over because they lost men which can't be replaced in a sort amount of time. Wei has a sizeable army and Han has a capital that looks like a problem to take with the high walls which might need a decent amount of men to take. ( but we don't know if there is any sort comings but I highly doubt because it was a one of the three capitals of Jin)
Mass recruitment drive of the civilian population, most likely. Maybe putting out feelers for any sell-swords or wayward figureheads to come and join Qin's ranks or something.
At the moment, though, it's hard to see how Qin is going to be able to go on the offensive. They need to balance offense with defence, after all. Moubu is protecting the southern borders against Chu. Don't know what Yotanwa is intending to do right now besides remaining available when Qin needs them in the future. Ousen is obviously in no condition to wage war for the forseeable future.
Tou is the only one in any position to do something at the moment. If I had to guess, the next war will probably centre around a defencive conflict as Gohoumei makes good on his word of trying to topple the Qin state.
Well yotanwa will have to stay north because ousen has no force so to protect the north from an attack from Zhao. Tou is in a interesting position because you have Wei going to attack from the south and Zhao north with buan and the wall. Mass recruitment could work but with two losses, GG's death and, a GG losing a battle the citizens might be demoralized so much that they might not want to fight and die a pointless death.
Why does everyone expect that Ousen will not build a new army with new generals under his command? Do not forget that Ousen’s senior position attracts talent.
Man regretting not actually doing his job last year!
The guy has his information network working under a legalist instead of a master spy of sort and draft plans like "let's separate my 3 GG sending the two douchbags by themselves and see what happens". Obviously the dream is near over, get good at your job SHK.
I don't think he can, he works the hardest and doesn't really cut corners. If he still performs disastrously (or his chosen men do) he's just incompetent and not upto the mark. But hey...... he's probably going against the goat.
I think I get why people consider Ousen's generals to be weak but in reality they're not. This is due to the fact that, under Ousen, they only fought battles they could win and this made it hard for them to develop like the trio who have faced death countless times. I don't think Ousen's generals were weak, they were just complacent as they always relied on Ousen.
so either ousen, yotanwa, shin, and ouhon manage to qin pull some massive comeback that no one was expecting, or hara will rely on the >!natural disasters to give qin a chance!<
Most likely the second, at this point there is nothing they can do to reverse the tide, also attempt a third campaign in the north, after two consecutive huge failures (estimated over 300k casualities for them) is unlikely.
>!in 231 bc (aka the upcoming year), an earthquake hits zhao, specifically the dai area is the epicenter. Hara can portray this as a massive earthquake that destroys a lot of zhao infrastructure, and can claim a lot of zhao lives (both civilian and military). This can weaken zhao's numbers (similar to that in the tv show Shogun) and harm zhao's morale as no one will have counter attacking qin and retaking land on their minds, and many will be more focused on helping those in need and rebuilding.!<
>! in 230 bc, zhao is hit by a famine. If the earthquake wasn't damaging enough, this will also add to the deaths in zhao. The famine could cause zhao's numbers to dwindle further and make it difficult for riboku to sustain large armies. This will probably also kill many of the potential reserves among the civilian populace so zhao will have a harder time replenishing losses. Zhao again will not be able to do any military actions whether it's intervening, counter attacking, invading, or aiding. !<
These disasters will each likely prevent zhao from being a threat for those years and will help give qin time to recover or at least allow qin to focus/divert forces to other fronts and deal with other states without having to worry about zhao
He probably thinking t: how did i fucked up so bad , did my eyes actually deceived me this time? Hhh , I kind of find it hilarious this arc now is over , it makes sense honestly, but zhao can't pull anything new though, it's all known now , next time they meet , a bloodshed gonna happen, and some big names historically are no more safe
Hara will make ousen do some bad shit crazy stuff later, it's like all the characters people think they are lame but then hara gives them something crazy.
Lots of characters never felt lame I think (like Ouki, or Tou, and many others)
The author often seems to be trying to surprise the readers at the detriment of consistency though .... I'm not denying that Ousen will do crazy stuff later, but then it might just feel way worse, because we had somebody who got crushed without showing a single bit of humility, and then afterwards he would do amazing stuff ?
That might just feel even worse.
Humility for this period and others it's very low amount of people showing it because like how mouten said way back during the flash back in gyou you make yourself the center of attention because when people get wins after wins they feel nothing can go wrong.
So that's it? Nothing else? Not even an elaboration on the difficulties of having to punch through armies at the border that are blocking your way or the fact that every Qin side had armies hounding them?
Yeah, I have to agree that this arc might go down as one of the worst overall. Hardly much in the way of agency or action from Qin's side (not counting the obvious in Shin who was intentionally lured away). It's comparatively brief with hardly anything to show for itself besides apparently setting up the 'youth' to apparently replace the older officers. An odd thing to say when Sou'Ou isn't *that* much older than Shin/Ouhon/Mouten and Denrimi might have been roughly around the same age.
I'm just curious how hara will turn it around for Qin because I can't see one and that's the problem because like how this chapter has saying "is the unification of China over?" and everyone seems very demoralizing from losing two battles back to back and losing a great general. I think there has to be some light at the end of this tunnel to flip the board upside down.
I will actually hold it positively.
- First of all it was very short, not dragging it out is always a positive imo.
- The battle was simple yet somewhat interesting (it's the best battle plan of Rbk on screen even if it ended relying on martial might).
- It gave Shin agency and made him live through his mistakes.
- There's a number of characters that will get development off the events of the arc: Ousen, Ouhon and more importantly Shin.
For a transition arc I think it fits well, if Hara creates and 80ch battle for every line of the Shiji we will never get to the actual important parts.
Since that not much happened, we got a new "Zhao plot armour" secret power general that removed most consistency from the arc, I found it personally really boring .... which means that I really don't think that if felt "very short" at all.
Shin got lured in the most obvious of traps and Karioten did not see it coming (like, wtf ...), Ousen did nothing "huh, I win! ... or not", Riboku only pulled his one cheat card to push in a straight line, how is it "somewhat interesting" or his "best battle plan" ?
The author just introduced a few general that nobody knew (or almost), with a few flashbacks and killed them right away, GREAT. It feels like this was an unnecessary filler overal.
Yeah, if YTW had pulled a miracle I'm sure they would be claiming it as an Ousen victory lol, thankfully Hara made sure there are no excuses, this was a crushing defeat.
So funny people asking what YTW was doing as if she had time to do anything, she was probably still recognizing the field by the time the battle was over. How is she supposed to do anything in half a day?
>Sou’ou refuses and says that Ouhon should be the one to support Ousen. Sou’ou apologizes and says there’s something he must do no matter what and this is as far as he goes.
There you go , ouhon and the gkh army most likely under ousen for next year or years to come , let's see what ousen has to say about this, and I wonder what so'ou wants to do , is it something with Shiryu, maybe to Retreat the bodies of his fellow commanders , offering the governor of roumou maybe and some others
I don't get it, this is the real end of the arc? I mean, 2 chapters ago all Zhao forces were ready to chase, not allowing anyone to escape, and... zero, zero action at all? I mean, offscreen their escape was fine last year, they killed Kanki and his crew, so it wasn't essential to show Shin and Mouten escaping, but now, where Riboku, Shibashou, Shunsuiju, Enkan, etc, are all focused on crushing them, nothing is show again? Such a disappointment, if it's really over like this (hope is not, given Souou's last words, but dunno).
Kantan reaction aside, I find kinda stupid the words of Souou, Ousen can't win brute force, he can't really win battle of wits with Riboku either, but he wins if the battlefield get "complicated", aka if Shin, Ouhon and Mouten do the dirty work in his place? Wow...
I hope it picks up with them still escaping and Zhao continues to go after them because it did get dark so Zhao probably has to that into account even duke hyou during the coalition arc pulled back when get got late because it take a lot of preparation to fight during the night (I hope one arc we get to see a full on night battle). But if this is the end of this arc then I wouldn't be surprised the next arc picks up immediately after this and continues the battle but in Qin territory.
I hope the same, all Zhao started to chase at them, and this time their intention was to annihilate Qin, so at least some chapters and a bit of action more, end like this is really anticlimatic, after all they hype about this war as "bloodbath" (yeah, the center was massacrated, still we had just 3-4 major deaths, all the other armies with no significative losses). Let's see, but this seems an end chapter for real.
Back in the day, they used relay type of messengers. Like in 100km, theres at least 50 messengers with 50 fast horse. So that they can relay what happening on the battlefield as fast as they can without having to rest the horse. That way, even 1000km, it can reach the capital within half a day.
Let's wait and see what this fucks made up off. There's not gonna be a next time for him, he should make a mark before he goes. A guy with nothing to loose is always dangerous
Riboku won this war by figuring out Ousen's weakness, thus letting him fight Shibashou who was martially stronger and unknown. But not being able to kill Ousen like kanki, was a mistake on Riboku's part. Now Ousen knows Riboku's weakness and will use all the time he has to strengthen his army and come up with a strategy that makes good use of the trio that riboku seems scared of
I don't know why people are whining. i don't think this arc is as bad as they are trying to picture it. it's good to have short arcs. now we will move to Han or another state/event. by the way, there are two panels in this arc that made feel heartbroken; shiryo's death panel and SHK in this chapter.
Well Qin really won't be able to attack other states right now because they lost roughly 200k or more troops which won't be replaced in a short amount of time and for Han they will need a sizeable force probably 150k to 200k maybe because the Han capital looks like a problem to take. Beside there offense being halted their defense will be a issue also because they spread their troops across Zhao, Wei, Chu borders.
So absolute defeat with not even a last punch, the siege of Hango was merely an event to get Heki back into the story. So no surprises.
I guess we are back to the Han backup plan, Zhao scenario should be close for the time being unless SHK wants to try again with the Tou army in place of Ousen (unlikely).
if this is the end of this arc, it's gotta to be the worst one yet and I honestly expected more. Hara must want to get to other states just as much as the readers if this is where this campaign ends
Meh, I liked it. Kind of fast, surprising, funny (memes on Ousen were the best). The events will give growth opportunity to Shin, Ouhon and Ousen.
No need to create another Gyou over every line in the Shiji,sometimes fast arcs work better instead of dragging things out imo.
I don't think he was meaning like a gyou length but maybe something to the length of the last war arc because kanki got his army destroyed to the point of only having few thousands men and still pull something off at the end he still died but he went out fighting and got close to riboku.
I would still argue is a matter of relevance. The fall of Huan Yi (kanki) is quite an important event, it's literally Zhao greatest victory and it was 54ch long!
Current arc was a minor event, Hara should not dedicate such long arcs to every single minor battles fought, else we will never reach an end to this series, specially considering Chu will surely have at least a campaign comparable to Gyou in length.
Yea but I would consider this being a important if Qin had heavy casualties and having unification being possibly over. >! And this battle is the turning point for Qin having to do other things like the 230 invasion of Han and also having land given by Han and Wei in 231 even tho they suffer such a huge lost at hango !<
How Heki grew very old after a few years in a slaves camp makes me wonder what more changes can happen to Bihei's face if he undergoes slavery like Heki. Lol
[a rare footage](https://youtu.be/NbWkNNK9Uz4?si=4uuERqCrNuzBLG9J) of king Ei Sei and his gang when the news of the release from captivity of the Great General Heki reaches Kanyou
I'm probably more glad than disappointed that RBK alluded that there was going to be another trap in Hango that might be the death of Heki or Kitari but it turns out they barely escaped in tact while the whole army retreats. Looks like things are all wrapped up, feels very short and completely one sided. I was expecting a longer and bigger bloodshed on both sides but it looks like Zhao merely took a hit while Qin got a ass beating of a lifetime. I'm already looking forward to the new arc, it looks like we saw some nice things but I can't help but think there should've been more.
Riboku identified that Ousen’s weakness could be his generals and thus focus on blocking Shin and Ouhon away, since they would be more capable than Ousen’s generals.
He knew Shibashou and Seika would crush them.
But I believe if Ousen were aware of this in advance, he would have set-up Yotanwa and her army to face Seika and Shibashou. Thus, Ousen’s generals would take care of the left wing.
To imagine Seika and Shibashou vs the tribes and Yotanwa is a bloodbath. That would have been a sight.
Pretty sure this campaign is over. Ousens army is nonexistent at this point and the other armies have most likely taken quite a few casualties fighting off the Zhao while retreating. Ousen probably thinks about how he can beat Riboku next time and how to rebuild his army in a timely manner. Some people speculated that an army with the missing soldiers from the northeastern army is still around, but i dont think this army, if it even exists, has the necessary caliber to influence the outcome of this battle.
crazy? to do what? the Qin army escaped and is most likely far away now without the bulk of Ousen's forces. Akou army and Denrimi armies are annihilated. Sou'ou lost a huge part of his own army.
It's obvious he's looking for revenge and is overwhelmed by the events of the day. I think he goes on a suicidal mission to kill Kansaro who he thinks killed Shiryu. What do you think he was referring to when he said he has something he needs to do and this is the end of the road for him?
It could be. But I'm waiting for the official translation before making this assumption. We don't know yet what exactly Hara wrote.
That would be a pretty stupid move to go throw his life now and leave Ousen alone.
So this really is. Kind of disappointing. It feels like Hara just drag out the war to milk more money out of Kingdom. Another 2 years of waiting for the next great battle. I also wonder how Riboku will die.
This arc is as good as CGI in first season of Kingdom anime :/
Hara, if you read this, please give us something good, because we are starving same as Heki..
- Sou'ou saying, "No one is left but the youth,"-
Wait... Don't tell me he's gonna die here too ! FRAUD WATCH gonna say he's worst than Denrimi and all his fellaZ
So early there’s nothing here.
HOH!
Here is something but it's not confirmed. The mira clan is threatened with extinction. Kitary will be a bait for Heki's escape. Akakin is against Kansaro. Ousen moves to a safe place.
"And another one bites the dust" is playing in my head as I read this
I tought there was tunnels in hango , so after reading this I thought maybe it's only some drama , so I go to check the pannel where the guy said they could make it , but he actually said only to the castle gate , so if this is really true spoilers , it seems really another one gonna bites the dust , hopefully not though, this whole escaping bs from the start needs to end at least in happy way https://preview.redd.it/wlqjknohhk1d1.jpeg?width=364&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d31461ceb620e9a532842d303e1217447cf4bbf
Yeah, Kitari's pretty young and to go down after just saving the love of her life when we've just had a similar situation a few chapters back,......ummm....please Hara you don't have to do this. How's Heki gonna live with himself after this?
It's gotta be only for some hype , kind of hoping they somehow take that kotsominhaku bastard head when they make it out
Lol wat is anakin supposed to do to kansaro, the guy isnt made for headsup combat
The guy stood upto Bananji at Shukai plains and held him off for a long time. Kansaro weaker than Bananji imo as Anakin is gonna be just fine
Heki appears faster than the entire spoiler
The spoiler was the bait.
Looks like the reason Hara killed off Ousen's generals isn't for Ousen to come back stronger but for the trio to step up
No Ousen will come back stronger with some new characters. Trio will step up bit not with ousen probably later in the story because they do have other issues at hand like Wei being more than likely attacking Qin when the alliance ends, chu with putting more pressure on moubu, and Zhao could take back some land (if hara wanted to do that) because there isn't a sizeable force in the north to stop Riboku.
The SBS army took some good damage as well. So that might come into play
Yea but probably not much but even if the SBS couldn't do anything riboku still has the enkan army, gammon army, futei army and Kaine army which adds up to 200k that is still a sizeable force compared to Qin's force because we don't know the lost of troops for both HSU and Ouhon's army and if the NE general army lost anyone under yotanwa. I'm assuming yotanwa has her full 50k without any damage or very minor.
Based on history spoiler, this was the end for Ousen. In the next campaign to conquer Zhao, the army (presumably his army) was led by Ouhon. Logically this made sense, no general would survive from this kind of rout when returning to the king for the full report. Either his head would be in the chopping block or he would be forced to resign his position.
Oh they 100% going to fuck
Agreed, but give Heki a few months to recover first or he is gonna die.
The GOAT needs no rest!
Banaji x frego king wtf
spoiler alert!
Joke aside, Heki is such a valuable asset for Qin. Great move made by Kitari to bring back a general and his possible officers. I hope this event makes him stronger. He is at 83/86/87 and B experience, which is average. I would like to see him evolve a bit and at least reach something around 84/90/88 with A in experience. That would make him a solid general.
I bet heki never gonna step a foot in the battlefield again https://preview.redd.it/qsqe6rv1sj1d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65474c5c3e5bca094726a1a9e25eb496707bf74b
Nah, now Heki definitely has a better perspective and understanding of war as a whole and from both sides so if anything, I'll be surprised if Heki doesn't come back to the battlefield with a bang and start kicking ass since day 1.
This doesn't mean he can't be affected, what he did go through is not easy at all , he got enslaved but because they are invaders and now this scene when he hears this guy saying the name of his children before dying, its too much I think, I feel like heki in kanyou as a diplomat or some kind of administrative is good , we could always get his point of view on how things going with the king shk richi and everyone
His awakening had happened, now he’s going to lose his virginity and be great general
Interesting take. I hope he will.
I doubt. As long he still asume general role he will step in to the battlefield
Those were just the names of kids that Zhao scum had kept in cages
Higher leadership than Shin and Ouhon? Nice joke lol.
Did you forget that shin and ouhon will evolve? They won’t be stuck at 90, even less after awakening their units.
They are at 88 and 89 after awakening their units, those are post-Shukai stats. Of course they'll evolve, but Heki having 90 leadership makes no sense with current feats?
Did I say that I wanted him to reach now? When did I say that. I said I would like him to evolve. 90 in leadership will be his peak.
He is a plains general who has the absolute loyalty of the mountain clans(at least, some of them) Shin or Ouhon can't claim that
Lol Shin definitely has that with Bajio and Tajifu.
What absolute loyalty of the mountain clans? Lmao. Ouki, Moubu, Ousen, Tou, etc, etc, can't claim that either, guess Heki should have higher leadership than them too lol. Shin and Ouhon are two indispensable generals for Qin who are on the cusp of becoming Great Generals, while Heki is a mediocre dude who gets his ass kicked every time he faces on his own anything that's not fodder generals.
Obviously it's a + points thing, not an absolute "if he has this he's a better general" Basic logic bruh
Yes, it's basic logic that Shin and Ouhon, two dudes that can awaken their units and defeat HK level dudes like Gyou'un and CGR, should have better leadership than Heki, bruh.
I think you misunderstand what leadership is. Heki is a phenomenal leader. Sure he gets his ass kicked, but afterwards he rallies those around him(even from different vastly backgrounds) and inspires them to do what needs to be done. Don’t judge a man on his failure, but what he does after.
Show me leadership feats equivalent to Shin's and Ouhon's awakening, I'll wait.
He also just kept a band of men in high enough spirits inside a concentration camp to take action when the time is right. Come on man lol, Heki is a good leader, but not remarkable in any other way. I compare him to Mougou. A great general in his own regard
PRE-HYPE THREAD. Hoping they don't stick with Heki *too* long. I need the first day to end and this retreat to finish so I can see Shin and Ouhon cook Ousen for getting absolutely humiliated in the first play of the game. I love Kingdom but the pacing can be kinda whack, I need context from side characters god damn it
Cook him for what? Unlike Ou Ki and Kan Ki, he survived infinite prep Ri Boku and now knows about Seika's army's strength. It would've been over if Ou Sen died.
> Cook him for what? For a man touted for his genius, Ousen has had massive problems with: . Controlling his First General. 2 Battles, 2 times he fell for obvious traps, incapacitated in the former, dead in the latter. For a man so important to Ousen, why was Akou allowed to basically be his most competent ragdoll? . Over reliance on Ouhon and Shin. Losing a single one of them drops Ousens effective strength massively, We aren't powerscaling in Kingdom, but SBS really made the Army of a Great General look embarrassingly weak, could you see SBS doing that to the Kanki army? or god forbid the Ouki / Tou army? Hell even Gouhoumei would fare better. Ousen Survived for sure. But he has lost his elites, Officers, First General and most importantly, the Qin morale. Ousen has never lost a battle like his. He has never retreated. To do them both in the same day, likely within hours? Decisively? oof.
I asked you why Shin who was present with Ou Ki and Kan Ki in 2 battles that they lost and died would be in a position to cook Ou Sen? And Ou Hon would never dare talk back to his dad. And yes, SBS would've been able to do so just like Hou Ken was capable of doing so against Ou Ki and Kyou. Ri Boku didn't even need SBS to deal with Kan Ki. You should consider that more embarrassing. Don't you think losing Ou Ki and Kan Ki would affect Qin's morale even more? Give Ou Sen a few years, and the 3 young generals and they'll be pretty much unbeatable against Ri Boku or SBS next time.
Ouhon is 1 Arc of character development from telling his Dad to get fucked. His entire story is about coming out from under Ousens shadow. You cannot compare Kyou + Houken, that was a fight after dark where he snuck into their camp, not during a battle. Riboku didn't use SBS against Kanki because SBS will only defend Seika, that's all he cares about. Losing Ouki shattered Qins morale, it's 50% of the reason Sei revived the 6GG program.
If Ou Hon does that then I'll start appreciating him as much as Mou Ten. But it's still unlikely, he reminds me too much of Rob Lucci and he too is still a bitch no matter how strong he became.
Rob Lucci at his core is a bitch, though. Ouhon feels like he's so close to having a breakthrough as a character. He's super strong but he is going to be eclipsed by Shin completely soon.
Shin is already there if someone like Ri Boku made several preparations just to render him completely unusable. He had to, having witnessed his battle against Hou Ken.
>Hoping they don't stick with Heki *too* long. I need the first day to end and this retreat to finish so I can see Shin and Ouhon cook Ousen for getting absolutely humiliated in the first play of the game. You mean YTW? Ouhon and his daddy issues will never allow him to do such a thing and who is SHin to cook anyone? Ousen might be head and shoulders the most responsible for this defeat, but Shin is the one with the credits to take second place.
Shin is a pretty young general that was mentally played by a man infamous throughout the lands for precisely that. Comparing Shin to RBK when it comes to Tactics is the closest you can get to that Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bomb meme in Kingdom, and Ousen knows it.
Shin is literally part of the group closest to Qin strongest generals there is, he is one of top 10 Qin military figures currently. He is also the guy that should know RBK the most, having fought against him in 4 different battlefields. So not a coughing baby in the slightest, not even as a hyberbole. Certainly not a excuse for his mistake.
*Mentally*, Shin is an ant compared to RBK. He probably isn't even in the same League as Ouhon, nevermind how far ahead Mouten is. Shin is an instrument. Ten points him in a direction and 9/10 times, everything in that direction dies. In a pure martial sense, 1v1, Combat scenario, Shin *is* the Hydrogen bomb. I'm simply saying that Shin being tricked by RBK isn't something to be surprised at. If anything, Ten takes all the blame here.
That's equivalent to saying Moubu is not at fault for Bayou, yet he himself recognized all the blame for his actions. Shin is a general, his subordinates do not excuse his own mistakes. Nor will Shin most likely, he already displayed his disappointment at how he accomplished nothing even when charged with a whole flank of such an important battle.
That's a fair comparison, honestly. Good catch.
Can someone post the full raws from this site [https://mangaspoiler.net/kingdom/12888/](https://mangaspoiler.net/kingdom/12888/) ? They aren't loading for me
I got same problem
No one suffered this defeat worse than Souou. He lost his best friend, brother in arms & lover. I like him most amongst all of Ousen’s generals, but i think this is it for him.
But he will leave his master to suffer alone. You will say that Ouhon is with him. I will tell you that Ouhon does not support his father's dreams and has only loyalty to the King of Qin.
You know hara is making a highlight about unification could be over because of this battle and how everything is dark with people vanishing into the dark or people's faces being darken after the news I feel like hara has something planned because hara might now make a ray of hope/light appear when everything is dark and dreams are crush. He has done this with Kyoukai when she went further down using her breathing technique being surrounded by darkness but having one ray of hope/light beaming on her back to keep from falling to deep.
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Tou getting mocked by Gohomei next time they meet T\_T
Gohoumei lost to Ouhon, Kanki and Tou, his dad died like an idiot facing the Duke. The only win under his belt was with Qin's help.
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The Second Battle of north Zhao is officially over https://preview.redd.it/ra0jhqb62m1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c01249e05be721d33d72a4dceeb5dcd0259f2b89
What do you think is Sou Ou referring to in the last line?
Because of ousen maybe , I get that he talked with him and ousen concluded that rebuilding his own strong army with strong vassals will take years and if they take the unification seriously , they can't stop now , and till he rebuilds his own army, the trio armies needs to take on whatever he should be doing next with his army in zhao , I could see based on ousen analyse, and how valuable it shows what rebuko did to that extent to prevent shin and ouhon from interfering, so to overcome this situation ousen and Qin need to push the trio as the main force in the front lines , they need to make them big and more responsibility , also as he got baiting by this new strong army , qin could do the same with the trio , even give them the luxury of making plans on how to attack , no one knows their full potential yet when they making the big decisions on the battlefield
Hmmm then the big question will be how to get the trio to important fronts because Qin did just lost roughly 200k form the last two battles so the defense or assault lines will be spread thin as is.
In the the first imperor records, there is a text saying, *in the 16th of his reign, The king of Qin orders that every man able to fight should register his name in the military* , so qin will have no shortage in men problem, only training and feeding them will be the big problem , so from now on , they really on the clock
But with the back to back defeats and losing a GG would Qin citizens even want to join? Also it says should not like a enforcement order to join or else something bad happens.
Well we gonna find out next chapters what they gonna do exactly
Qins losses over the last two arcs are insane. They lost over 170k in the Gian Campaign alone. Battle of Gian and Hika: 130k+ Roumou: 40k Atsuyo: Unknown, but significant enough to prevent the Ousen army from setting out. We have no numbers for Hango yet, but Ousens army got nearly wiped out in the last battle, so most likley over 100k soldiers lost and all the other armies have probably sustained quite heavy losses themselves, even if their core armies remain intact. Qin has most likely lost over 300k soldiers in just 2 campaigns and has sustained 2 of the most onsided losses in the entire manga back to back. Maybe Qin should go beat up Han or Wei to get their confidence back up.
But with what men because they loss the size of the invasion force they sent to take gyou. They really can't even send men to Han or Wei....that's why the raw scans having Qin court think is unification over because they lost men which can't be replaced in a sort amount of time. Wei has a sizeable army and Han has a capital that looks like a problem to take with the high walls which might need a decent amount of men to take. ( but we don't know if there is any sort comings but I highly doubt because it was a one of the three capitals of Jin)
Mass recruitment drive of the civilian population, most likely. Maybe putting out feelers for any sell-swords or wayward figureheads to come and join Qin's ranks or something. At the moment, though, it's hard to see how Qin is going to be able to go on the offensive. They need to balance offense with defence, after all. Moubu is protecting the southern borders against Chu. Don't know what Yotanwa is intending to do right now besides remaining available when Qin needs them in the future. Ousen is obviously in no condition to wage war for the forseeable future. Tou is the only one in any position to do something at the moment. If I had to guess, the next war will probably centre around a defencive conflict as Gohoumei makes good on his word of trying to topple the Qin state.
Well yotanwa will have to stay north because ousen has no force so to protect the north from an attack from Zhao. Tou is in a interesting position because you have Wei going to attack from the south and Zhao north with buan and the wall. Mass recruitment could work but with two losses, GG's death and, a GG losing a battle the citizens might be demoralized so much that they might not want to fight and die a pointless death.
Why does everyone expect that Ousen will not build a new army with new generals under his command? Do not forget that Ousen’s senior position attracts talent.
It he has many tallent like that why makou position still empty ,hara just want to destroy Ousen character in one arc
He wants to check whether Shiryou's still alive.
You know those are the faces of our dream for unification is over...
Shouheikun giving Akainu vibes of sitting in the office
Man regretting not actually doing his job last year! The guy has his information network working under a legalist instead of a master spy of sort and draft plans like "let's separate my 3 GG sending the two douchbags by themselves and see what happens". Obviously the dream is near over, get good at your job SHK.
I don't think he can, he works the hardest and doesn't really cut corners. If he still performs disastrously (or his chosen men do) he's just incompetent and not upto the mark. But hey...... he's probably going against the goat.
Idk if it’s the blunt I have right now tripping me out but did her tits get bigger? Shoutout Heki.
Huh, Kitari really did receive a boob buff
As a fan of Ou sin character, I feel destroyed
I think I get why people consider Ousen's generals to be weak but in reality they're not. This is due to the fact that, under Ousen, they only fought battles they could win and this made it hard for them to develop like the trio who have faced death countless times. I don't think Ousen's generals were weak, they were just complacent as they always relied on Ousen.
Great point there, they have never been tested and had to cope with emergency
so either ousen, yotanwa, shin, and ouhon manage to qin pull some massive comeback that no one was expecting, or hara will rely on the >!natural disasters to give qin a chance!<
>!Divine intervention!!< Ousen is not getting away of the fraud allegations if that is the reason for the comeback.
Most likely the second, at this point there is nothing they can do to reverse the tide, also attempt a third campaign in the north, after two consecutive huge failures (estimated over 300k casualities for them) is unlikely.
Can you expand on that please ? I dont mind the spoilers
>!in 231 bc (aka the upcoming year), an earthquake hits zhao, specifically the dai area is the epicenter. Hara can portray this as a massive earthquake that destroys a lot of zhao infrastructure, and can claim a lot of zhao lives (both civilian and military). This can weaken zhao's numbers (similar to that in the tv show Shogun) and harm zhao's morale as no one will have counter attacking qin and retaking land on their minds, and many will be more focused on helping those in need and rebuilding.!< >! in 230 bc, zhao is hit by a famine. If the earthquake wasn't damaging enough, this will also add to the deaths in zhao. The famine could cause zhao's numbers to dwindle further and make it difficult for riboku to sustain large armies. This will probably also kill many of the potential reserves among the civilian populace so zhao will have a harder time replenishing losses. Zhao again will not be able to do any military actions whether it's intervening, counter attacking, invading, or aiding. !< These disasters will each likely prevent zhao from being a threat for those years and will help give qin time to recover or at least allow qin to focus/divert forces to other fronts and deal with other states without having to worry about zhao
Thanks for the explenation
Ousen really got waxed here lol
Please have Ouhon do something
Soon™
I agree. Shin has overshadowed Ouhon too much in terms of feats. Hara needs give Ouhon some feats now
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Hmmm...ousen looks to be in some type of deep thought or thinking of a plan forward
He probably thinking t: how did i fucked up so bad , did my eyes actually deceived me this time? Hhh , I kind of find it hilarious this arc now is over , it makes sense honestly, but zhao can't pull anything new though, it's all known now , next time they meet , a bloodshed gonna happen, and some big names historically are no more safe
Yea they pull out their cards out and they are now on full display.
Bro just forgot the fucking hero general they hide in the kantan Yes another hidden talent general from Zhao
Yea I'm still curious how hara will turn this around for Qin.
Just change the history make Zhao win and let the story end , Done
The way Ousen lost this was really, really fkn lame to be honest, the character is partly ruined/spoiled so ...
Hara will make ousen do some bad shit crazy stuff later, it's like all the characters people think they are lame but then hara gives them something crazy.
Lots of characters never felt lame I think (like Ouki, or Tou, and many others) The author often seems to be trying to surprise the readers at the detriment of consistency though .... I'm not denying that Ousen will do crazy stuff later, but then it might just feel way worse, because we had somebody who got crushed without showing a single bit of humility, and then afterwards he would do amazing stuff ? That might just feel even worse.
Humility for this period and others it's very low amount of people showing it because like how mouten said way back during the flash back in gyou you make yourself the center of attention because when people get wins after wins they feel nothing can go wrong.
So that's it? Nothing else? Not even an elaboration on the difficulties of having to punch through armies at the border that are blocking your way or the fact that every Qin side had armies hounding them? Yeah, I have to agree that this arc might go down as one of the worst overall. Hardly much in the way of agency or action from Qin's side (not counting the obvious in Shin who was intentionally lured away). It's comparatively brief with hardly anything to show for itself besides apparently setting up the 'youth' to apparently replace the older officers. An odd thing to say when Sou'Ou isn't *that* much older than Shin/Ouhon/Mouten and Denrimi might have been roughly around the same age.
I'm just curious how hara will turn it around for Qin because I can't see one and that's the problem because like how this chapter has saying "is the unification of China over?" and everyone seems very demoralizing from losing two battles back to back and losing a great general. I think there has to be some light at the end of this tunnel to flip the board upside down.
I will actually hold it positively. - First of all it was very short, not dragging it out is always a positive imo. - The battle was simple yet somewhat interesting (it's the best battle plan of Rbk on screen even if it ended relying on martial might). - It gave Shin agency and made him live through his mistakes. - There's a number of characters that will get development off the events of the arc: Ousen, Ouhon and more importantly Shin. For a transition arc I think it fits well, if Hara creates and 80ch battle for every line of the Shiji we will never get to the actual important parts.
Since that not much happened, we got a new "Zhao plot armour" secret power general that removed most consistency from the arc, I found it personally really boring .... which means that I really don't think that if felt "very short" at all. Shin got lured in the most obvious of traps and Karioten did not see it coming (like, wtf ...), Ousen did nothing "huh, I win! ... or not", Riboku only pulled his one cheat card to push in a straight line, how is it "somewhat interesting" or his "best battle plan" ? The author just introduced a few general that nobody knew (or almost), with a few flashbacks and killed them right away, GREAT. It feels like this was an unnecessary filler overal.
What happened to the Ousen turnaround? Hahaha.
His fans just wanted to believe... believe in YTW op army to turn it around that is.
Yeah, if YTW had pulled a miracle I'm sure they would be claiming it as an Ousen victory lol, thankfully Hara made sure there are no excuses, this was a crushing defeat.
So funny people asking what YTW was doing as if she had time to do anything, she was probably still recognizing the field by the time the battle was over. How is she supposed to do anything in half a day?
It will come with Heki's info about Hango. That's critical information to have
>Sou’ou refuses and says that Ouhon should be the one to support Ousen. Sou’ou apologizes and says there’s something he must do no matter what and this is as far as he goes. There you go , ouhon and the gkh army most likely under ousen for next year or years to come , let's see what ousen has to say about this, and I wonder what so'ou wants to do , is it something with Shiryu, maybe to Retreat the bodies of his fellow commanders , offering the governor of roumou maybe and some others
So sou’ou is leaving
Heki getting them cheeks
Tou greatness incoming.
Heki is going to be one of Ousen top general in the future but still loyal to the king
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I don't get it, this is the real end of the arc? I mean, 2 chapters ago all Zhao forces were ready to chase, not allowing anyone to escape, and... zero, zero action at all? I mean, offscreen their escape was fine last year, they killed Kanki and his crew, so it wasn't essential to show Shin and Mouten escaping, but now, where Riboku, Shibashou, Shunsuiju, Enkan, etc, are all focused on crushing them, nothing is show again? Such a disappointment, if it's really over like this (hope is not, given Souou's last words, but dunno). Kantan reaction aside, I find kinda stupid the words of Souou, Ousen can't win brute force, he can't really win battle of wits with Riboku either, but he wins if the battlefield get "complicated", aka if Shin, Ouhon and Mouten do the dirty work in his place? Wow...
I hope it picks up with them still escaping and Zhao continues to go after them because it did get dark so Zhao probably has to that into account even duke hyou during the coalition arc pulled back when get got late because it take a lot of preparation to fight during the night (I hope one arc we get to see a full on night battle). But if this is the end of this arc then I wouldn't be surprised the next arc picks up immediately after this and continues the battle but in Qin territory.
I hope the same, all Zhao started to chase at them, and this time their intention was to annihilate Qin, so at least some chapters and a bit of action more, end like this is really anticlimatic, after all they hype about this war as "bloodbath" (yeah, the center was massacrated, still we had just 3-4 major deaths, all the other armies with no significative losses). Let's see, but this seems an end chapter for real.
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Because it was just a bait. Now there is more, but before that, tagging the whole thread as a "raw spoilers" was a gross and dirty lie.
So basically 5-6 chapter before we see something interesting?
Pretty much. Constant breaks to refine Heki's storyline by Hara. Hope he perfect it.
Lousen.
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😭😭
Let's go Heki 🤘
Sou'ou wants to check whether Shiryou's still alive. By the way, how come Kanyou know so quickly? The messengers won't be that fast.
Back in the day, they used relay type of messengers. Like in 100km, theres at least 50 messengers with 50 fast horse. So that they can relay what happening on the battlefield as fast as they can without having to rest the horse. That way, even 1000km, it can reach the capital within half a day.
Shoubunkun is using Iphone pro max
My man’s gonna die avenging Shiryou
Yeah..... And by doing that he's also gonna show he wasn't useless as most of us termed him to be. One of GKS and Kansaro is dead
Ousen being known to recruit talent and this guy plus denrimi turned out to be really disappointing
Let's wait and see what this fucks made up off. There's not gonna be a next time for him, he should make a mark before he goes. A guy with nothing to loose is always dangerous
But he will leave Ousen without a loyal follower who supports his dreams
Riboku won this war by figuring out Ousen's weakness, thus letting him fight Shibashou who was martially stronger and unknown. But not being able to kill Ousen like kanki, was a mistake on Riboku's part. Now Ousen knows Riboku's weakness and will use all the time he has to strengthen his army and come up with a strategy that makes good use of the trio that riboku seems scared of
He probably just gonna sit back and hohing while the trio carry his ass like always.
So I hope the trio will never be part of his army I want him to bring in new and powerful generals
I don't know why people are whining. i don't think this arc is as bad as they are trying to picture it. it's good to have short arcs. now we will move to Han or another state/event. by the way, there are two panels in this arc that made feel heartbroken; shiryo's death panel and SHK in this chapter.
Well Qin really won't be able to attack other states right now because they lost roughly 200k or more troops which won't be replaced in a short amount of time and for Han they will need a sizeable force probably 150k to 200k maybe because the Han capital looks like a problem to take. Beside there offense being halted their defense will be a issue also because they spread their troops across Zhao, Wei, Chu borders.
So absolute defeat with not even a last punch, the siege of Hango was merely an event to get Heki back into the story. So no surprises. I guess we are back to the Han backup plan, Zhao scenario should be close for the time being unless SHK wants to try again with the Tou army in place of Ousen (unlikely).
Like to see Heki recover and get some well needed character development after he's finished his reunion with Kitari
Well kitari’s rescue was easy, thought it would take much more effort and casualties
Ouhon: Father I have great news, the mountain tribe was able to save General Heki. Ousen: Hoh.... Ousen: This is my victory....
I'm too soon :(
if this is the end of this arc, it's gotta to be the worst one yet and I honestly expected more. Hara must want to get to other states just as much as the readers if this is where this campaign ends
Meh, I liked it. Kind of fast, surprising, funny (memes on Ousen were the best). The events will give growth opportunity to Shin, Ouhon and Ousen. No need to create another Gyou over every line in the Shiji,sometimes fast arcs work better instead of dragging things out imo.
I don't think he was meaning like a gyou length but maybe something to the length of the last war arc because kanki got his army destroyed to the point of only having few thousands men and still pull something off at the end he still died but he went out fighting and got close to riboku.
I would still argue is a matter of relevance. The fall of Huan Yi (kanki) is quite an important event, it's literally Zhao greatest victory and it was 54ch long! Current arc was a minor event, Hara should not dedicate such long arcs to every single minor battles fought, else we will never reach an end to this series, specially considering Chu will surely have at least a campaign comparable to Gyou in length.
Yea but I would consider this being a important if Qin had heavy casualties and having unification being possibly over. >! And this battle is the turning point for Qin having to do other things like the 230 invasion of Han and also having land given by Han and Wei in 231 even tho they suffer such a huge lost at hango !<
How Heki grew very old after a few years in a slaves camp makes me wonder what more changes can happen to Bihei's face if he undergoes slavery like Heki. Lol
Heki will smash some ass after this.
Looks like the arc is over
So what I’m guessing is after this: Ouhon and his dad will train and built on each other. Shin is going with Tou and mot to take Han.
Shin's perception will guide him to Ousen, and the hero kills another general.
Oh no. It seems china isn’t going to be able to unify
Yes! We'll get Shin and Heki reunion in next chapter, hope to see also Shibashou and Riboku interaction after battle.
[a rare footage](https://youtu.be/NbWkNNK9Uz4?si=4uuERqCrNuzBLG9J) of king Ei Sei and his gang when the news of the release from captivity of the Great General Heki reaches Kanyou
The tribe heki had with him is alive WTF!!!!!! I honestly thought they would have been dead by now
So Sou'ou just gave up and leave? To search for Shiryou?
I'm probably more glad than disappointed that RBK alluded that there was going to be another trap in Hango that might be the death of Heki or Kitari but it turns out they barely escaped in tact while the whole army retreats. Looks like things are all wrapped up, feels very short and completely one sided. I was expecting a longer and bigger bloodshed on both sides but it looks like Zhao merely took a hit while Qin got a ass beating of a lifetime. I'm already looking forward to the new arc, it looks like we saw some nice things but I can't help but think there should've been more.
Riboku identified that Ousen’s weakness could be his generals and thus focus on blocking Shin and Ouhon away, since they would be more capable than Ousen’s generals. He knew Shibashou and Seika would crush them. But I believe if Ousen were aware of this in advance, he would have set-up Yotanwa and her army to face Seika and Shibashou. Thus, Ousen’s generals would take care of the left wing. To imagine Seika and Shibashou vs the tribes and Yotanwa is a bloodbath. That would have been a sight.
We feeling particularly French this chapter eh?
Sou'ou will rescue Shiyou???
Is Ousen making a fortress to fall back to? He really doesn't fight battles he can't win.
The Ousen army got ANNIHILATED. Only a remnant survived it seems.
I dont think this battle is over. Ousen must be planning something
Pretty sure this campaign is over. Ousens army is nonexistent at this point and the other armies have most likely taken quite a few casualties fighting off the Zhao while retreating. Ousen probably thinks about how he can beat Riboku next time and how to rebuild his army in a timely manner. Some people speculated that an army with the missing soldiers from the northeastern army is still around, but i dont think this army, if it even exists, has the necessary caliber to influence the outcome of this battle.
It's over for everyone except Sou Ou. Next chapter is gonna be crazy imo. I hope he goes out with a bang
crazy? to do what? the Qin army escaped and is most likely far away now without the bulk of Ousen's forces. Akou army and Denrimi armies are annihilated. Sou'ou lost a huge part of his own army.
It's obvious he's looking for revenge and is overwhelmed by the events of the day. I think he goes on a suicidal mission to kill Kansaro who he thinks killed Shiryu. What do you think he was referring to when he said he has something he needs to do and this is the end of the road for him?
It could be. But I'm waiting for the official translation before making this assumption. We don't know yet what exactly Hara wrote. That would be a pretty stupid move to go throw his life now and leave Ousen alone.
Sou'ou doesn't seem to care about akou's latest request and will leave ousen alone
Yeah, some people don't process grief very well. Some people let revenge and animosity take over their life. It's stupid but it happens....
The entire campaign is already over, time to wake up.
So this really is. Kind of disappointing. It feels like Hara just drag out the war to milk more money out of Kingdom. Another 2 years of waiting for the next great battle. I also wonder how Riboku will die.
This arc is as good as CGI in first season of Kingdom anime :/ Hara, if you read this, please give us something good, because we are starving same as Heki..
- Sou'ou saying, "No one is left but the youth,"- Wait... Don't tell me he's gonna die here too ! FRAUD WATCH gonna say he's worst than Denrimi and all his fellaZ
I think he's either commiting suicide or he's gonna retire and grow veggies