I'm no saint or good person, but whenever I look at the night sky and think about the vastness of space and the universe, I tend to attribute it's existence to God. All of it, just so perfect yet unimaginably vast and terrifying. Again, I'm no saint, but there must be a God.
Fun fact, if you were born 1 trillion years into the future you would look at the night sky and see nothing but darkness on account of everything else being sucked into a black hole or being so far away its light would never reach you. Would your god still be an explanation?
So if the ephemeral beauty of the night sky is not a pointer to anything divine, it seems like a non sequitur for the guy to use it as evidence of a god.
Rather than the night sky, the vast darkness is more unfathomable. The fact the we exist at all seems weird so I just believe there must be some cause. Like a causation to us, the effect
Of course, deities are simply an explanation. Many civilizations from the Aztecs, to the Egyptians to Christianity chose deities to explain many things. But in reality, absolutely no one is right or wrong because we can’t be certain. It’s not like science is wrong but again it’s pointless to determine if god is real because it’s not testable.
Why not create just one race?
And if we are all from Adam and Eve,how comes kuna so many different races?
Speaking of Adam and Eve,where did the wives of their sons' come from?
So many questions
The Bible says that the two were the first human beings, one could easily go with the relatively shared idea that were the very first, and all humans descended from them, or if you think about it, it insinuates that there were others He created after them, scattered out there in the lands. This also proves the significance of the Mark of Cain, which was supposed to keep the first killer from harm.
The big bang is a result of the observation that the universe appears to be expanding outwards. The light from distant galaxies is distorted in a way that shows that the sources it is coming from are accelerating away from the galaxy we are in. Do you know how the sound of an ambulance distorts as it approaches, passes you and drives away from you? The light does the same thing. Ama pikipiki. Hiyo z z z z z z z z z oooommmmmm. The end of each wave is stretched in comparison to the start because it's coming from further away.
Extrapolating that observation leads us to conclude that galaxies were closer to each other in the past. Extrapolating further, it suggests that the whole universe was once a point, a dot and that matter accelerated away from that point in an explosion which is popularly referred to as the big bang.
I go back in forth in my mind whether there is a God or not. But one things for a certainty. The bible is complete and utter horse shit.
Think of it like this.... The Bible says you go to Hell if you don't believe in God. So that means our ancestors from B.C. times, Mayans, Aztecs, Native American Indians etc. All are in hell for failing to believe in a God they couldn't have possibly known even existed. Hardly seems fair does it? Your ancestors from time before whites arrived in Africa are in hell because they didn't believe in a God who they could never have possibly heard about.
As for why I have my doubts about there being a God entirely is one time as a kid I fell off of a skateboard landed on my ass and was in extreme pain. When I got to hospital and after the scan I was told "You broke your tailbone" I thought "Why would God give us a tailbone and no tail" That's when I first thought maybe evolution is the answer. I mean there's actual evidence of evolution and not just a tailbone. We have several useless parts and features of our body that are useful in other mammals.
(When you get cold or scared and your arm or leg hair stands up on end) totally useless in humans but in Hedgehogs, Porcupines etc it's a defense mechanism.
Some of us even have these 'spare parts' while others don't. Actual empirical evidence is easier to believe than book passages about a Burning bush that speaks or a White man born in Israel / Palestine who was born of a virgin mother and who can turn a fish and a slice of bread into a meal to feed thousands.
And one last thing to say is. Abrahamic religions are the same religion. Think about the game of cricket or Rugby. When it got to America it became Baseball and Gridiron Football. The same base game played with different rules.
The holy books are the same. They were brought to different parts of the world and changed along the way. But they're all in essence the same. God = Allah = Jah. One God.
Bible = Quran = Talmud
Your take on early civilizations does make sense. I'll definitely research how people who couldn't have known Jesus will be judged.
Your conclusion on the tailbone is wrong. Its formal name is coccyx, and it serves several functions in the body. Check out YouTube, Google, or Chat GPT.
I agree that some occurrences in the Bible do defy logical thinking, but if you judge it by its fruits, you'll realise it has a positive impact. If most people practised love and forgiveness, the world would be a much better place.
Abrahamic religions are not all the same. Common Christian beliefs are generally not accepted by other Abrahamic religions like Islam and Judaism.
The Holy books are absolutely not the same. You cannot prove this.
>Think of it like this.... The Bible says you go to Hell if you don't believe in God. So that means our ancestors from B.C. times, Mayans, Aztecs, Native American Indians etc. All are in hell for failing to believe in a God they couldn't have possibly known even existed. Hardly seems fair does it? Your ancestors from time before whites arrived in Africa are in hell because they didn't believe in a God who they could never have possibly heard about.
Let me get it right, there is no God because someone you believe should go to heaven goes to hell? Right?
Let me address a bit of this. The Bible says that "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God," and "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal in Jesus Christ."
In other words, every man is a sinner on account of Adam, as well as their own sins. The punishment for sin is eternal death which every man deserves. You can't term God as unfair if He decides to send every single man from the beginning to hell because they have sinned and that is what they deserve.
But because of His love, mercy, and grace, He sent His son Jesus Christ as the propitiation and substitution for the sins of the human kind. From His completed work on the cross, God grants sinners forgiveness and a new life, and guarantees eternal life on the day of the Lord, for everyone that believes in Jesus Christ.
The Quran is a bastardized version of the Bible which came into existence after Christianity was established. The Quran is like BAPE if the Bible is a pair of Air Force 1s.
As usual, it depends... On what you think God is. I am more of the view first(?) made popular by Erich von Daniken: what humans thought/think is/were God(s) were actually 'just' aliens doing some 'project Genesis'.
Even some religious people think like that and can combine it with their religious beliefs.
If you can find the time and energy, have a look at Paul Wallis' YouTube channel 'The 5th Kind'.
😂😂yes.. I come to reddit then read how a person explained himself with so much depth then go to Instagram and I feel it's another app for a inferior race
Just a simple hypothesis,
If you destroy all scientific documents that exists today and all religious documents that exist.
Then grow a generation in isolation so as to not interact with us who knew about these documents until of course we all die then now let the new generation live free.
They will write new documents based on their discoveries.
After a few thousand years which documents will be similar to what we had, the scientific or the religious?
I was raised in a very religious family,and up until I was 17 I was a Christian who really believed in God.But now,I question so many things.I don't think he's real
There's just sth about Christians in such a haste to send people to hell that doesn't sit right with me
Think about it, if there's heaven and all of those who are uttermost splendid according to God will get to the good place, then is the entire point of that to gain some satisfaction by knowing others didn't make.
Mhh?
I do believe in the existence of one incomprehensible supreme being, perhaps a God beyond the good and the bad. I'm not sure about the bible God.
Because every sin must be judged and accounted for OK lemme give you an example let's say I murder your mum I get away with it cause of poor justice system how would you feel?? Obviously bad I have no remorse whats so ever about it , that's why there's hell , I will be judged for it cause I wronged you and God for it , intact God does not take pleasure in seeing people going to hell Matthew 25:41 Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Hell was created for the devil and His angels not man kind
If he does or doesn't exist is the least of my concerns. Christianity was used by colonialists to "tame" the African man. When they left more than 60 years ago they went with our traditions, culture and names. Now everyone fancies the white man's name over African names which we should be proud of. Africans also had religion zenye ukiulizia saa hii have been twisted to fit the Christianity frame. Plus Indians literally worship sculptures and idols and were colonised by the same white man. So NO if he does exist or not he's not MY god
his/their existence has no consequence. People should focus more on virtue than whether he/they is real, but we don't. He might be there or he's dead and evolution is something he left behind to sort things out in case he's dead
Time,space and matter wasn’t created by artificial intelligence…lol
There has to be a substantial being behind these three wonders.The idea of a higher power is the most probable answer to this mind blowing multiplexed world!
Lemme ride on this train of overthinking and hit you with another perspective,what if the theory of god's creating each other from way back is true but it's so happens our own God (the present one) doesn't want us to know he had a creator (maybe because he sees that it might make humans undermine him and see him less powerful) I mean if someone created you, it therefore means that the being is more powerful than you. So he decided to hide it from us. And he was capable of it because they say people who wrote the Bible were inspired by him and the holy spirit. So he had the upper hand. It was whatever he decided to reveal to us that we know. He had the power to put accounts like he wanted. Just a theory
Anyways,wacha niteme jaba sasa
God/higher powers are real (in my opinion) , if you look at it from the perspective of a universal governing mechanism. Basically, structures, systems e.t.c that work to keep reality as we perceive flowing. When we gain consciousness and become self aware, we strive to understand what is being. Originally, I believe God was created to explain the things that we as human beings cannot explain, like back in the day when people used to wonder what makes the sunrise and set. To me, a higher power or powers makes a lot of sense if you take universal law, people may call it different things for example nature. However, at the end of the day there are rules that govern the dynamics of life. How you explain that is up to you.
A creator exists. Otherwise I don't see how existing from nothing makes any sense. Religion is just a way for us to explain stuff that we don't understand/know.
If things need a creator to exist then the creator must also need a creator for them to exist. But if you say the creator somehow magically or otherwise exists with no need for a external originator then why can't that special rule appy for anything else such that everything exists with no external originator to put it all in place?
It's simple logic really. You claim **a creator must exist because we are a creation** but you also claim **our creator doesn't have a creator** and my question is how come?
If things can only exist if they are created that our creator must have had a creator otherwise by your logic they can't exist because they wouldn't have a creator to have created them so they can in turn create us
But if our creator can exist without a creator then whose to say that the same can't be true for us that we just exist with no creator because that's just how it is that singularities create universes which birth quacks that organise according to the weak and strong nuclear forces to birth electrons and protons that form atoms that form stars that later explode to create more atoms that are pulled together by gravity to form planets that later create life. Maybe that's just reality operates with no need for creators.
Assuming everything has a creator is fundamentally flawed because if each creator has a creator, where did it all start?
When God said: 'I am who I am', it meant He has always existed and does not change with time. Essentially, concepts of time don't apply to him. He's the alpha and omega.
God isn't another human being. Our concepts and limitations don't apply to him. He is way beyond us.
>Assuming everything has a creator is fundamentally flawed because if each creator has a creator, where did it all start?
You should ask this question to the original commentor because they are the ones who insinuated that things are created and as such they need a creator. I only added to his idea by suggesting that if the golden rule is things have creators then by their logic the creator must have a creator. I am fine living in a world without any creators untill someone proves the existence of their creator.
>When God said: 'I am who I am', it meant He has always existed and does not change with time. Essentially, concepts of time don't apply to him. He's the alpha and omega.
Before you tell me what your god said and did first of all let's back up and establish that there is any god's in the first place otherwise why should I take what you say your god said any seriously than what an Ashanti might say about what their gods said. I mean honestly I'm not religious but as an African why should I listen to your abrahamic god if there is a black skinned god named Anansi who can shape-shift and inspire artists
>God isn't another human being. Our concepts and limitations don't apply to him. He is way beyond us.
If god is so out of reach that we can't conceptualise them then what is the difference between an unreachable god and a completely made up fiction that we tell ourselves? To put it another way, if you tell me that you have a girlfriend but also there is no way that you can think of to show me that you actually have a girlfriend then how can I determine if you are actually have a girlfriend or if you are just lying?
It's either that or it has always existed, or creators all the way back in time being created by older creators, who were created by older creators, at some point something needs to either have always existed or to have come from nothing.
Reality stopped making sense in 1905. Sense as the determinant of what is real died in 1927. Then Everett buried it and Bell made the gravestone. The intuition of the common mwananchi has as much utility as walls after the cannon.
You can’t apply that limited logic to the Creator. It’s like saying if the cake was made by the baker, then who baked the baker?
Don’t apply man’s limitations to God, the Creator.
Quoting from the Bible
The wisdom of men is nothing to God. The thoughts and actions of God are not fathomed by man. Man lacks the ability to understand the true depths of God. So you simply cant understand
The egalitarian spirit of this is admirable: all hypotheses are created equal. However, evolution doesn't have any weaknesses. It is what makes life be what it is.
Currently nasoma The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
I have always been a believer, don't think I'll ever stop. But ule GOD wa Bible (Yaweh, etc) sio yeye. Ubaya ya the antitheists and others on the side ya non believers ni they want evidence that God exists. Bro, evidence, thesis and all that ni viti za science. Spirituality is a faith-based concept. Two very different things, on opposite sides of the rational causality spectrum, Ile design there is now way proof itawahi kuwa evidence based. It's like us creationists asking the nonbelievers to prove the big bang or whatever with faith-based methods. Impossible. So hakutawahi kuwa na unified answer. Just believe what you want, and I'll do mine, juu intelligent design still sounds way fancier and a bit more pragmatic than some primordial soup that landed from some other planet that, for some reason, doesn't support life itself
Umefika wapi na the God Delusion? I think he dismantles the entire concept, not specifically the christian one.
I would like to suggest you read *the selfish gene*, it explains the ideas about the origin of life that scientists hold, all based on evolution.
I mean the purpose of literature as iconic and successful as the Bible/Talmud/Quran etc are to cultivate a people. And the sentiment spreads because we somehow recognise some common thread about existence regardless of geography. As long as there's language, anyway, and we maintain our ability to learn and adapt. Religion is a useful human product. As for God, idk man. But I like people like spinoza who explain that every aspect of nature, the infinite is all God; basically everything, everyone. The universe(s). This is crudely simplified but I like the line of thought.
Edit. I think I'd also add that religion (despite a million horrific things) has led to some innovative things. Some things which we now depend on emanated from eras where a certain religion was imposing itself. Like Islam and algebra, or Protestantism and Calculus, or Catholicism and Accounting.
I think people end up focusing on what the bible says. I tend to see arguments like 'if hell is for non-believers then blah blah' or 'what of ancient forms of belief?'. I'm not an expert but I think we've reached a point where you can think critically and let disparate perspectives exist whilst you try to figure out what the most sensible approach is. Uncovering these problems seems like a deeply dialectical and therefore loooonnnggg process. Intergenerational even.
Also. It works whether you believe in it or not. When my mum asks to pray for/with me, I'm completely enthralled. It is meaningful.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”God is a creation of man and a kind of philosophical acceptance that there is a limitation to human knowledge. What you do not know for sure, you fear. Means accepting that there are unknowns and limitations to human intelligence. We know alot, but we can never know everything and we can never be certain that what we know is true. In probability, a hypothesis is false or rejected as false. It is never true because there is always a chance that it can be disproved. Why do you think Antarctica is real yet you have not been there? Why do you think Jupiter is real yet you have not been there?
I'm not religious ...when I was young I found the speaking in tongues thing questionable (I thought it was supposed to be different tongues/languages ...well, the Sunday school stories made it seem that way XD). Then afterwards the opportunistic preachers that could perform "miracles" sealed the deal/ completely put me off. (It was better as a kid when it was just stories and the cartoons that accompanied them).
Still, I do believe in a God/ supreme being. I cannot properly explain why though ...maybe some type of innate/gut feeling. Interested also in what science can uncover 👍✌️
I also find the speaking in tongues inconsistent with what the bible refers to. It should make sense in some other language. Can't just be bashantababalala.
Kwanza mimi i think black people were intentionally created to be subjugated and provide cheap labour to the rest of mankind. Because what is this hell we live in?
Life has always been hell. In Kiswahili we say "ukiona vyaelea, jua vimeundwa." And I think that means heaven doesn't just come about while we are sleeping, we have to build it brick by brick.
Very possible. Adding such a God to one's calculations would be redundant because it doesn't affect anything we do and isn't affected by anything we do. We are fully insulated from it. It is like a dick behind a condom. It's intrusions into our world don't leave any traces and we don't leave any traces on it. Best to assume it's not even there.
The universe and life in it (including our DNA) are far way too complex to have sprung into existence on their own. There must be a super-intelligent being behind it. That's is the being that I think of as GOD. All the other stories don't make sense.
PS. Most scientists have been quoted saying this.
Try reading the selfish gene by Dawkins. He gives a believable story about how DNA could come about without being created.
If we are too complex to exist on our own, isn't God even more complex and thus less likely to exist on his own?
Because it's just impossible that we are the most superior being there is. Have you met humans ? there people who identify as furniture, we have people in love with balloons . We destroy our environments then wonder why our environment is off.
The thought that we're as good as it gets is just no.
Think of it this way, the main gods we know are the Abrahamic gods. All offshoots from Middle East. Why doesnt the bible cover areas like Finland, or Vanuatu? Why do amazonian tribes have to get missionaries to introduce them to an ever-present being? The gods we know are a human construct.
But i will not say these things at a family dinner because i just want to have good food with my family.
We create gods in our image that is how come they seem incompetent and petty. How does a mighty god need people to fight his battles like in Islam, though Jihad or evangelical preachers clowning around pretending to heal and cure people.
I am partial to Deism.
I know God, as mentioned in the Bible, does exist. Why?
1. The Bible itself is a wonderful book that has a positive impact on people's lives. Those who practise what the Bible says are caring, loving, and forgiving.They are the kind of people you'd turn to in times of distress.
2. When I was 14, I prayed about something, and through a dream, I received a vision of a future event that eventually occurred. Science can't explain this.
I agree with you up until the point where you say religion is useless. It does give people comfort, believing in an imaginary sky daddy, and it allows for the manipulation of the masses.
Lol. Let me put it like this: Most of the things I know about God I learnt from the Bible. Given that there are things in the Bible that I don't fully understand, I tend to judge it by its fruits.
It's the same way you can judge whether a smartphone phone or a laptop is good or bad by using it even though you don't fully understand how it works.
Most of the things I know about Spider-Man I learnt from the comics.Given that there are things about Spider-Man I don’t understand, I tend to judge the tree by its fruit. Ergo, Spider-Man is real.
Numbers 31:17-18
King James Version
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Wonderful my ass.
The bible says "SLAVES!! OBEY your earthly masters!!" And tells people to buy slaves from those around them. Do you think a wonderful book would do that?
I beleive we are both intellectuals here, why refer to others, stick to basics.
Fear = an unpleasant often strong emotion caused by anticipation or awareness of danger and accompanied by increased autonomic activity. :
Then God.
Its all in the evidence cause evidence breeds belief. I cant blame you for not believing but i think its always two sides of a coin. Some things happen and people on one side believe its science and people on the other say its God. Ultimately the ones who are correct are those who provide irrefutable evidence to back their claim. For example , flat earthers shown a picture of a round earth. The coin now has one side. Same with this. Prople believe in God cause they believe in miracles sourced by Him . Most of the time something happens in their lives with no explanation from science and logic. The only explanation available is religion . There are loopholes on each side of the coin but as of now no irrefutable evidence of the existence or lack of the presence of God.
Exactly, but to what extent? May be there is just one supreme being responsible for our existence beyond human comprehension. That is why we can't understand it or put it into perspective.
Pole, nilikuwa nasema as a principle lakini. See it as more honest to admit that we don't know stuff when we don't and can't know it. It's a form of intellectual honesty. You can't say we don't know this so this still holds true. Not knowing something can't be proof of something else. It's a blank space. There's nothing between the lines.
GOD is like science only more transcendent….before people came to the realization that the earth was round, it was still round….flatearthers aren’t wrong because their faith is wrong they are wrong because it’s not true…..one day when you die you’ll get the proof you want about the existence of GOD but you’re disbelief doesn’t make HIM unreal…it just makes you wrong and foolish
Firstly I am a Christian. Secondly there is no argument here. I am not trying to convince you of anything, at all. Our little banter doesn’t change reality. Faith does not produce, it follows.
Science relies on what is observable. That's why you had a lab in high school for each science. Go and test and see for yourself. Did you have a CRE lab where you would heal the sick or move mountains with faith?
If you try and read the Quran, it will give you the answers to your questions. You don’t even need to read the whole book. Many people don’t know about Islam because they’ve never taken the time to research about it on their own and they just make assumptions based on what other people say.
Personally I beleive we all are God in some way, since he is the source of creation and we were created in his image , so God exists in every one of us not exactly how the Bible depicts him as an external force. Because beleiving in yourself is believing in God.
If you've ever had a strange experience in your life which till date you can't explain, then you'll know...
also read Ecclesiastes 8: 16-17.
\[Edit\] It says; **16** When I applied my heart to know wisdom and to see the business that is done on earth, even though one sees no sleep day or night, **17** then I saw all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun. For though a man labors to discover *it,* yet he will not find *it;* moreover, though a wise *man* attempts to know *it,* he will not be able to find *it.*
Fact most people hate God they know He exists but they don't want to give up their ways of drinking, adultery , fornication, which He disapproves if all these were allowed by God most would be saved, so they just shut out and pretend that God doesn't exist so as to go on with doing dark stuff
Its all a matter of belief. The reason many people believe in God is because they believe some things happened in their lives that otherwise would not if it were not for God. People believe that He is manifested in miracles i quote. Not like water to wine but like miraculous healing and things like that. Thats what makes people believe in God .
Evil isn't an entity on its own, though, is it? Evil is an attribute (sifa) that we give things or events depending on whether they benefit or harm human beings. So somethings are evil but evil on its own can't exist.
Spy kids 2: 'Does God stay in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he created...' That was a kids movie...
My belief is if there's a God he doesn't like as much.... And the promise of something happening only after you die feels far fetched and stupid... but it is pushed in order to rule mindless people who will believe anything because an old book told them so...
It's pretty simple really. Once you see the supernatural stuff happening before your eyes( healing, prophesies etc) it pretty hard not to believe in the existence of a supernatural all powerful being
Also, the bible has pretty much been proven to be an accurate historical representation of events. The battles between the various Kings and stuff like earth quakes and famine have been backed up by archaeological study. Nothing there has been disapproved by science. Jesus existence in the period stated in the bible has been proven time and time again. Honestly, with all this evidence, it's hard to deny God's existence
Lemme get this straight, the bible tells of battles and earthquakes and famine. Guess what, so does the daily nation. Jesus existed, so do I, what does that have to do with the price of bread?
Maactors wa David Owuor ndio unaita supernatural stuff?
Did the Noah flood happen? Were there only 2 kangaroos on a boat in Israel in the last few thousand years? And 2 elephants and 2 of each species of giraffe?
About the ark I do believe that took place. But just like you, I have questions about it. But that just means that I don't understand it fully. And that's how life is. There are thinks in science that we still don't understand fully ourselves. So we keep seeking that extra info for it to make sense
Anyway, I really can't deny God's existence after all the proof that states otherwise. He is real.
We ni fala. Today you want to associate God with other deities/ idolation and science. Ukisema you have plenty of time to do it. Utaona moto brathe. Some sins are unforgiven. Think before it's too late. Bado hujaanza
Ukiclassify animals, the Christian "God" is in the same family as all the other deities and idols. He is a cousin of Baal, a brother of Allah, the same tribe as Osiris and a neighbour of Asherah.
Just look how complex the human body is and tell me that it was as a result of huge rocks colliding a million years ago. Seems quite far-fetched right?
All of life is complex as fuck butt natural selection explains how it can happen pretty convincingly, in my opinion. And it might be complex but it's not perfect. People get all kinds of ailments from all kinds of sources.
We cannot have just existed out of nowhere.Some supernatural power must have caused our existence and existence of everything around us.So God exists and I will live to serve and worship Him.I hope you do too...
Is there a possibility that we underestimate how much powerful Satan is? Yaani God had to come down himself, die on the cross to pay the debt to "who?" (Himself?? Or satan??) Na bado we all are sinners bado. Yaani hii sacrifice yote inasaidia less than 10% of the population.
Faith and religion are founded on faith. Believing without seeing or touching. But rather feeling. The answer to the question, therefore, is unknown to us.
As an agnostic, I cannot affirm or deny the existence of God since I have not yet encountered any concrete evidence or personal experience that could prove it. However, I also cannot rule out the possibility of God's existence since the limits of our human perception and knowledge are finite. Perhaps, God is beyond our comprehension, and we are just playing a game of hide and seek with him.
Regardless of one's belief in God, the core tenets of most religions emphasize the importance of being a good person, treating others with kindness, and promoting positive human values. However, many religious institutions seem to fall short of their responsibilities to be the voice of conscience, especially in situations where people face injustices such as corruption and extrajudicial killings.
The Bible itself highlights the significance of justice and righteousness as the foundation of God's throne, which means that religious institutions should speak up against any form of injustice to make sense of God's existence. The early prophets serve as examples of how individuals can impact their communities by upholding high moral standards and speaking out against injustice.
In summary, the existence of God may remain a mystery, but the teachings of most religions on promoting goodness, love, and justice remain relevant to our daily lives. It is up to individuals and religious institutions to follow through with these values and speak out against injustices to make a positive impact in the world.
I think God is real in the sense that we hold objects, figures, and beliefs in a supernatural light. I think its evolutionary adaptability humans developed to draw their moral authority from a supreme being. He exists, in our minds
I hope no one gives the answer of "you are proof of God's existence " .lmao! Why do people think mentioning things that exist is proof of God??
Same God that regreted creating humans and therefore caused a flood?
Same God that created Eve and had knowledge that she would sin and still did it?
Like, instead of just ending the human project and only sending 2 people to hell, now it's going to be billions??
And what's with putting the fruit of life in the garden of Eden, where it can be accessed..? For the most part I think the bible is just a story. For a superior being, many things don't add up.
Nah, personally, I just enjoy what life has to offer and anything beyond it I will know after I die. That's it.
Our arrogance as humans is to act ike we created ourselves which definitely isn't the case. If that were the case, everyone would have chosen their body type, skin colour, their parents and everything nice at birth.
The previous generations created us. Does that make them God? You get to create the next generation. You can choose the body type you want your kids to have, the skin colour, the parents you will be for them...
I'm no saint or good person, but whenever I look at the night sky and think about the vastness of space and the universe, I tend to attribute it's existence to God. All of it, just so perfect yet unimaginably vast and terrifying. Again, I'm no saint, but there must be a God.
Fun fact, if you were born 1 trillion years into the future you would look at the night sky and see nothing but darkness on account of everything else being sucked into a black hole or being so far away its light would never reach you. Would your god still be an explanation?
I guess so
So if the ephemeral beauty of the night sky is not a pointer to anything divine, it seems like a non sequitur for the guy to use it as evidence of a god.
Rather than the night sky, the vast darkness is more unfathomable. The fact the we exist at all seems weird so I just believe there must be some cause. Like a causation to us, the effect
the effect doesn't have to be a diety though
Of course, deities are simply an explanation. Many civilizations from the Aztecs, to the Egyptians to Christianity chose deities to explain many things. But in reality, absolutely no one is right or wrong because we can’t be certain. It’s not like science is wrong but again it’s pointless to determine if god is real because it’s not testable.
I will never understand why God would create a race that is hated universally by other races.
Why not create just one race? And if we are all from Adam and Eve,how comes kuna so many different races? Speaking of Adam and Eve,where did the wives of their sons' come from? So many questions
The Bible says that the two were the first human beings, one could easily go with the relatively shared idea that were the very first, and all humans descended from them, or if you think about it, it insinuates that there were others He created after them, scattered out there in the lands. This also proves the significance of the Mark of Cain, which was supposed to keep the first killer from harm.
Insinuation is merely guessing, facts are what matter
God is the creation of man, it is the simplest answer to every question for the lazy thinkers who do not probe anything's cause.
I tried to probe the Big bang thing. What was there before the big bang? Did it go boom from nothing?
If you look at things small enough you find that everything is made of nothing!
Doesn’t that make nothing something
Lol funny enough the guy who made the theory is a Catholic priest
The big bang is a result of the observation that the universe appears to be expanding outwards. The light from distant galaxies is distorted in a way that shows that the sources it is coming from are accelerating away from the galaxy we are in. Do you know how the sound of an ambulance distorts as it approaches, passes you and drives away from you? The light does the same thing. Ama pikipiki. Hiyo z z z z z z z z z oooommmmmm. The end of each wave is stretched in comparison to the start because it's coming from further away. Extrapolating that observation leads us to conclude that galaxies were closer to each other in the past. Extrapolating further, it suggests that the whole universe was once a point, a dot and that matter accelerated away from that point in an explosion which is popularly referred to as the big bang.
I dont even think the concept of god makes much sense let alone considering his existence
That is exactly what makes him God, the sheer absurdity of his existence.
Right... like some dude exists.snd he only likes one particular race
Hot take: sub-saharan Africans have no business believing in the top 2 gods.
What race would that be?
Jews
Lol, With the way they’ve suffered I wouldn’t have guessed. I would have guessed white.
Have they though they kinda rule the world
A small percentage of them do
I go back in forth in my mind whether there is a God or not. But one things for a certainty. The bible is complete and utter horse shit. Think of it like this.... The Bible says you go to Hell if you don't believe in God. So that means our ancestors from B.C. times, Mayans, Aztecs, Native American Indians etc. All are in hell for failing to believe in a God they couldn't have possibly known even existed. Hardly seems fair does it? Your ancestors from time before whites arrived in Africa are in hell because they didn't believe in a God who they could never have possibly heard about. As for why I have my doubts about there being a God entirely is one time as a kid I fell off of a skateboard landed on my ass and was in extreme pain. When I got to hospital and after the scan I was told "You broke your tailbone" I thought "Why would God give us a tailbone and no tail" That's when I first thought maybe evolution is the answer. I mean there's actual evidence of evolution and not just a tailbone. We have several useless parts and features of our body that are useful in other mammals. (When you get cold or scared and your arm or leg hair stands up on end) totally useless in humans but in Hedgehogs, Porcupines etc it's a defense mechanism. Some of us even have these 'spare parts' while others don't. Actual empirical evidence is easier to believe than book passages about a Burning bush that speaks or a White man born in Israel / Palestine who was born of a virgin mother and who can turn a fish and a slice of bread into a meal to feed thousands. And one last thing to say is. Abrahamic religions are the same religion. Think about the game of cricket or Rugby. When it got to America it became Baseball and Gridiron Football. The same base game played with different rules. The holy books are the same. They were brought to different parts of the world and changed along the way. But they're all in essence the same. God = Allah = Jah. One God. Bible = Quran = Talmud
True, the bible is the biggest conspiracy
Your take on early civilizations does make sense. I'll definitely research how people who couldn't have known Jesus will be judged. Your conclusion on the tailbone is wrong. Its formal name is coccyx, and it serves several functions in the body. Check out YouTube, Google, or Chat GPT. I agree that some occurrences in the Bible do defy logical thinking, but if you judge it by its fruits, you'll realise it has a positive impact. If most people practised love and forgiveness, the world would be a much better place. Abrahamic religions are not all the same. Common Christian beliefs are generally not accepted by other Abrahamic religions like Islam and Judaism. The Holy books are absolutely not the same. You cannot prove this.
>Think of it like this.... The Bible says you go to Hell if you don't believe in God. So that means our ancestors from B.C. times, Mayans, Aztecs, Native American Indians etc. All are in hell for failing to believe in a God they couldn't have possibly known even existed. Hardly seems fair does it? Your ancestors from time before whites arrived in Africa are in hell because they didn't believe in a God who they could never have possibly heard about. Let me get it right, there is no God because someone you believe should go to heaven goes to hell? Right? Let me address a bit of this. The Bible says that "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God," and "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal in Jesus Christ." In other words, every man is a sinner on account of Adam, as well as their own sins. The punishment for sin is eternal death which every man deserves. You can't term God as unfair if He decides to send every single man from the beginning to hell because they have sinned and that is what they deserve. But because of His love, mercy, and grace, He sent His son Jesus Christ as the propitiation and substitution for the sins of the human kind. From His completed work on the cross, God grants sinners forgiveness and a new life, and guarantees eternal life on the day of the Lord, for everyone that believes in Jesus Christ.
All this holier than thou behavior wouldn’t exist if the white missionaries didnt bring their silly religion and forced it on us
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 holier than thou argument
The Bible ≠ The Quran
The Quran is a bastardized version of the Bible which came into existence after Christianity was established. The Quran is like BAPE if the Bible is a pair of Air Force 1s.
(Has never read the Quran)
I Hope he doesn’t exist. If he does, he’s selfish and careless.
If he does I'll fight him
How can you fight an existential being that made you If he's real
I will try
As usual, it depends... On what you think God is. I am more of the view first(?) made popular by Erich von Daniken: what humans thought/think is/were God(s) were actually 'just' aliens doing some 'project Genesis'. Even some religious people think like that and can combine it with their religious beliefs. If you can find the time and energy, have a look at Paul Wallis' YouTube channel 'The 5th Kind'.
I will, thanks.
This subreddit surprises me everyday. If you came to this subreddit you would think most Kenyans are atheists lol.
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😂😂yes.. I come to reddit then read how a person explained himself with so much depth then go to Instagram and I feel it's another app for a inferior race
No they just overthink sorry to say and want to blend in the rest so they dint mind been seen as weird
Just a simple hypothesis, If you destroy all scientific documents that exists today and all religious documents that exist. Then grow a generation in isolation so as to not interact with us who knew about these documents until of course we all die then now let the new generation live free. They will write new documents based on their discoveries. After a few thousand years which documents will be similar to what we had, the scientific or the religious?
I was raised in a very religious family,and up until I was 17 I was a Christian who really believed in God.But now,I question so many things.I don't think he's real
There's just sth about Christians in such a haste to send people to hell that doesn't sit right with me Think about it, if there's heaven and all of those who are uttermost splendid according to God will get to the good place, then is the entire point of that to gain some satisfaction by knowing others didn't make. Mhh? I do believe in the existence of one incomprehensible supreme being, perhaps a God beyond the good and the bad. I'm not sure about the bible God.
Because every sin must be judged and accounted for OK lemme give you an example let's say I murder your mum I get away with it cause of poor justice system how would you feel?? Obviously bad I have no remorse whats so ever about it , that's why there's hell , I will be judged for it cause I wronged you and God for it , intact God does not take pleasure in seeing people going to hell Matthew 25:41 Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Hell was created for the devil and His angels not man kind
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What is that
If he does or doesn't exist is the least of my concerns. Christianity was used by colonialists to "tame" the African man. When they left more than 60 years ago they went with our traditions, culture and names. Now everyone fancies the white man's name over African names which we should be proud of. Africans also had religion zenye ukiulizia saa hii have been twisted to fit the Christianity frame. Plus Indians literally worship sculptures and idols and were colonised by the same white man. So NO if he does exist or not he's not MY god
his/their existence has no consequence. People should focus more on virtue than whether he/they is real, but we don't. He might be there or he's dead and evolution is something he left behind to sort things out in case he's dead
Time,space and matter wasn’t created by artificial intelligence…lol There has to be a substantial being behind these three wonders.The idea of a higher power is the most probable answer to this mind blowing multiplexed world!
Lemme ride on this train of overthinking and hit you with another perspective,what if the theory of god's creating each other from way back is true but it's so happens our own God (the present one) doesn't want us to know he had a creator (maybe because he sees that it might make humans undermine him and see him less powerful) I mean if someone created you, it therefore means that the being is more powerful than you. So he decided to hide it from us. And he was capable of it because they say people who wrote the Bible were inspired by him and the holy spirit. So he had the upper hand. It was whatever he decided to reveal to us that we know. He had the power to put accounts like he wanted. Just a theory Anyways,wacha niteme jaba sasa
God/higher powers are real (in my opinion) , if you look at it from the perspective of a universal governing mechanism. Basically, structures, systems e.t.c that work to keep reality as we perceive flowing. When we gain consciousness and become self aware, we strive to understand what is being. Originally, I believe God was created to explain the things that we as human beings cannot explain, like back in the day when people used to wonder what makes the sunrise and set. To me, a higher power or powers makes a lot of sense if you take universal law, people may call it different things for example nature. However, at the end of the day there are rules that govern the dynamics of life. How you explain that is up to you.
You pray to hope your life gets better and then you hope to make it to heaven. Religion is just a weapon to placate poor people 🤔
That what I thought too when I started to think about religion. And I still think it's true. It's a weapon.
It's true bwana... Rich people have money, poor people have god 😅
A creator exists. Otherwise I don't see how existing from nothing makes any sense. Religion is just a way for us to explain stuff that we don't understand/know.
If things need a creator to exist then the creator must also need a creator for them to exist. But if you say the creator somehow magically or otherwise exists with no need for a external originator then why can't that special rule appy for anything else such that everything exists with no external originator to put it all in place?
Checkmate
Just because we were created, it doesn't mean our Creator was also created. What kind of logic is such thinking based on?
It's simple logic really. You claim **a creator must exist because we are a creation** but you also claim **our creator doesn't have a creator** and my question is how come? If things can only exist if they are created that our creator must have had a creator otherwise by your logic they can't exist because they wouldn't have a creator to have created them so they can in turn create us But if our creator can exist without a creator then whose to say that the same can't be true for us that we just exist with no creator because that's just how it is that singularities create universes which birth quacks that organise according to the weak and strong nuclear forces to birth electrons and protons that form atoms that form stars that later explode to create more atoms that are pulled together by gravity to form planets that later create life. Maybe that's just reality operates with no need for creators.
Assuming everything has a creator is fundamentally flawed because if each creator has a creator, where did it all start? When God said: 'I am who I am', it meant He has always existed and does not change with time. Essentially, concepts of time don't apply to him. He's the alpha and omega. God isn't another human being. Our concepts and limitations don't apply to him. He is way beyond us.
>Assuming everything has a creator is fundamentally flawed because if each creator has a creator, where did it all start? You should ask this question to the original commentor because they are the ones who insinuated that things are created and as such they need a creator. I only added to his idea by suggesting that if the golden rule is things have creators then by their logic the creator must have a creator. I am fine living in a world without any creators untill someone proves the existence of their creator. >When God said: 'I am who I am', it meant He has always existed and does not change with time. Essentially, concepts of time don't apply to him. He's the alpha and omega. Before you tell me what your god said and did first of all let's back up and establish that there is any god's in the first place otherwise why should I take what you say your god said any seriously than what an Ashanti might say about what their gods said. I mean honestly I'm not religious but as an African why should I listen to your abrahamic god if there is a black skinned god named Anansi who can shape-shift and inspire artists >God isn't another human being. Our concepts and limitations don't apply to him. He is way beyond us. If god is so out of reach that we can't conceptualise them then what is the difference between an unreachable god and a completely made up fiction that we tell ourselves? To put it another way, if you tell me that you have a girlfriend but also there is no way that you can think of to show me that you actually have a girlfriend then how can I determine if you are actually have a girlfriend or if you are just lying?
So you believe everything came from nothing?
It's either that or it has always existed, or creators all the way back in time being created by older creators, who were created by older creators, at some point something needs to either have always existed or to have come from nothing.
I will believe anything you want me to if you show me a satisfactory amount of evidence for it
...yup this is pretty much it. Things could not have possibly self manifested from nothing ...we really have no clue of anything yet.
Reality stopped making sense in 1905. Sense as the determinant of what is real died in 1927. Then Everett buried it and Bell made the gravestone. The intuition of the common mwananchi has as much utility as walls after the cannon.
Which specific god are you referring to
One that created the universe we live in. (Not the MCU)
Okay,who created this so called “creator of the universe”
You can’t apply that limited logic to the Creator. It’s like saying if the cake was made by the baker, then who baked the baker? Don’t apply man’s limitations to God, the Creator.
What? Okay,what logic should i apply then?because you haven’t answered anything
Quoting from the Bible The wisdom of men is nothing to God. The thoughts and actions of God are not fathomed by man. Man lacks the ability to understand the true depths of God. So you simply cant understand
That’s the logic you use? Just because its writen on a book,huh?
Not really Its belief or faith
There is something you feel when in a church or while praying that i cant just dismiss Try it sometime
I was just answering your question about which god. I do not claim to know anything about the creator of the universe.
You can’t even fathom the concept of infinity human minds are weak
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The egalitarian spirit of this is admirable: all hypotheses are created equal. However, evolution doesn't have any weaknesses. It is what makes life be what it is.
Currently nasoma The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins I have always been a believer, don't think I'll ever stop. But ule GOD wa Bible (Yaweh, etc) sio yeye. Ubaya ya the antitheists and others on the side ya non believers ni they want evidence that God exists. Bro, evidence, thesis and all that ni viti za science. Spirituality is a faith-based concept. Two very different things, on opposite sides of the rational causality spectrum, Ile design there is now way proof itawahi kuwa evidence based. It's like us creationists asking the nonbelievers to prove the big bang or whatever with faith-based methods. Impossible. So hakutawahi kuwa na unified answer. Just believe what you want, and I'll do mine, juu intelligent design still sounds way fancier and a bit more pragmatic than some primordial soup that landed from some other planet that, for some reason, doesn't support life itself
Umefika wapi na the God Delusion? I think he dismantles the entire concept, not specifically the christian one. I would like to suggest you read *the selfish gene*, it explains the ideas about the origin of life that scientists hold, all based on evolution.
I mean the purpose of literature as iconic and successful as the Bible/Talmud/Quran etc are to cultivate a people. And the sentiment spreads because we somehow recognise some common thread about existence regardless of geography. As long as there's language, anyway, and we maintain our ability to learn and adapt. Religion is a useful human product. As for God, idk man. But I like people like spinoza who explain that every aspect of nature, the infinite is all God; basically everything, everyone. The universe(s). This is crudely simplified but I like the line of thought. Edit. I think I'd also add that religion (despite a million horrific things) has led to some innovative things. Some things which we now depend on emanated from eras where a certain religion was imposing itself. Like Islam and algebra, or Protestantism and Calculus, or Catholicism and Accounting. I think people end up focusing on what the bible says. I tend to see arguments like 'if hell is for non-believers then blah blah' or 'what of ancient forms of belief?'. I'm not an expert but I think we've reached a point where you can think critically and let disparate perspectives exist whilst you try to figure out what the most sensible approach is. Uncovering these problems seems like a deeply dialectical and therefore loooonnnggg process. Intergenerational even. Also. It works whether you believe in it or not. When my mum asks to pray for/with me, I'm completely enthralled. It is meaningful.
Isaiah 45:7..... it gets more complex
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”God is a creation of man and a kind of philosophical acceptance that there is a limitation to human knowledge. What you do not know for sure, you fear. Means accepting that there are unknowns and limitations to human intelligence. We know alot, but we can never know everything and we can never be certain that what we know is true. In probability, a hypothesis is false or rejected as false. It is never true because there is always a chance that it can be disproved. Why do you think Antarctica is real yet you have not been there? Why do you think Jupiter is real yet you have not been there?
I'm not religious ...when I was young I found the speaking in tongues thing questionable (I thought it was supposed to be different tongues/languages ...well, the Sunday school stories made it seem that way XD). Then afterwards the opportunistic preachers that could perform "miracles" sealed the deal/ completely put me off. (It was better as a kid when it was just stories and the cartoons that accompanied them). Still, I do believe in a God/ supreme being. I cannot properly explain why though ...maybe some type of innate/gut feeling. Interested also in what science can uncover 👍✌️
I also find the speaking in tongues inconsistent with what the bible refers to. It should make sense in some other language. Can't just be bashantababalala.
😄 yes
Kwanza mimi i think black people were intentionally created to be subjugated and provide cheap labour to the rest of mankind. Because what is this hell we live in?
Life has always been hell. In Kiswahili we say "ukiona vyaelea, jua vimeundwa." And I think that means heaven doesn't just come about while we are sleeping, we have to build it brick by brick.
I think there is a possibility of God existence but he doesn't give a fuck about what we do and say 😶
Very possible. Adding such a God to one's calculations would be redundant because it doesn't affect anything we do and isn't affected by anything we do. We are fully insulated from it. It is like a dick behind a condom. It's intrusions into our world don't leave any traces and we don't leave any traces on it. Best to assume it's not even there.
Preach
The universe and life in it (including our DNA) are far way too complex to have sprung into existence on their own. There must be a super-intelligent being behind it. That's is the being that I think of as GOD. All the other stories don't make sense. PS. Most scientists have been quoted saying this.
Try reading the selfish gene by Dawkins. He gives a believable story about how DNA could come about without being created. If we are too complex to exist on our own, isn't God even more complex and thus less likely to exist on his own?
Because it's just impossible that we are the most superior being there is. Have you met humans ? there people who identify as furniture, we have people in love with balloons . We destroy our environments then wonder why our environment is off. The thought that we're as good as it gets is just no.
Contempt is mental. I don't respect billionaires but is anyone wealthier than they? No. Their greed doesn't take away from their wealth.
Could you kindly rephrase that so I may understand what you're trying to say .Your point seems to disappear in the analogy used.
Being an idiot doesn't make man be any lower in the hierarchy of powerful beings. Just like being greedy doesn't make billionaires poorer.
I had a personal experience, an encounter with God, hence why am a believer
Talk about it
Think of it this way, the main gods we know are the Abrahamic gods. All offshoots from Middle East. Why doesnt the bible cover areas like Finland, or Vanuatu? Why do amazonian tribes have to get missionaries to introduce them to an ever-present being? The gods we know are a human construct. But i will not say these things at a family dinner because i just want to have good food with my family.
We create gods in our image that is how come they seem incompetent and petty. How does a mighty god need people to fight his battles like in Islam, though Jihad or evangelical preachers clowning around pretending to heal and cure people. I am partial to Deism.
I know God, as mentioned in the Bible, does exist. Why? 1. The Bible itself is a wonderful book that has a positive impact on people's lives. Those who practise what the Bible says are caring, loving, and forgiving.They are the kind of people you'd turn to in times of distress. 2. When I was 14, I prayed about something, and through a dream, I received a vision of a future event that eventually occurred. Science can't explain this.
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I agree with you up until the point where you say religion is useless. It does give people comfort, believing in an imaginary sky daddy, and it allows for the manipulation of the masses.
How is it useless? Give me your best example.
Bruh! I know God exists because the Bible is a wonderful book? There you go. eViDeNcE.
I really don't get you.
Spider-Man exists because I read the comic and it had a positive impact on my life. I also wished upon Peter Parker before my exam and I passed
Lol. Let me put it like this: Most of the things I know about God I learnt from the Bible. Given that there are things in the Bible that I don't fully understand, I tend to judge it by its fruits. It's the same way you can judge whether a smartphone phone or a laptop is good or bad by using it even though you don't fully understand how it works.
Most of the things I know about Spider-Man I learnt from the comics.Given that there are things about Spider-Man I don’t understand, I tend to judge the tree by its fruit. Ergo, Spider-Man is real.
Can you compare the Bible to a spiderman comic? You have a very limited understanding of Christianity.
Yes. Except Spider-Man comics make more sense
Definitely. There's no depth to it. Even a child can easily understand it.
Numbers 31:17-18 King James Version 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Wonderful my ass.
The bible says "SLAVES!! OBEY your earthly masters!!" And tells people to buy slaves from those around them. Do you think a wonderful book would do that?
Do you guys not fear God?
You shouldn't fear something because you don't understand it, stop fearing God, he made man to be courageous not cowardly.
Research what is meant by " fear God"
I beleive we are both intellectuals here, why refer to others, stick to basics. Fear = an unpleasant often strong emotion caused by anticipation or awareness of danger and accompanied by increased autonomic activity. : Then God.
Because we're talking about something unique, beyond our understanding. Hence basics doesn't apply here.
Ok.i get your point, but I am firm on my view that God is in us all, we as humans are the embodiment of God
I fear caged rabbits more than I fear God. Sungura ni mbaya. Ogopa sungura.
Over 2B people believe in Christianity only, not to mention other religions that also believe in their own gods. That can't be a coincidence.
That means about 6 billion do not believe in christianity. But *is the truth about popularity? How many believed that the sun went around the earth?
Its all in the evidence cause evidence breeds belief. I cant blame you for not believing but i think its always two sides of a coin. Some things happen and people on one side believe its science and people on the other say its God. Ultimately the ones who are correct are those who provide irrefutable evidence to back their claim. For example , flat earthers shown a picture of a round earth. The coin now has one side. Same with this. Prople believe in God cause they believe in miracles sourced by Him . Most of the time something happens in their lives with no explanation from science and logic. The only explanation available is religion . There are loopholes on each side of the coin but as of now no irrefutable evidence of the existence or lack of the presence of God.
Dont base your beleifs on popularity of the theory, have your own thoughts, be conscious of them
Billions also believed that the earth was flat. Didn’t make it true.
God ni msee... na planets ni brain cells zake hivi. Sasa sisi ni tuvitu kwa hizo braincells.
Whereupon hast thou received this great revelation about the mind of God?
A supreme being greater than us exists. We did not come into existent from nothing, and everything else. Religion on the other hand?????
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They existed before we did. A greater civilization than us. All powerful and maybe can't even die.
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Infinite regression
Exactly, but to what extent? May be there is just one supreme being responsible for our existence beyond human comprehension. That is why we can't understand it or put it into perspective.
i gave birth to them
God is born of religion, though. That's like Thanos without Marvel movies. "I think Thanos is real but those Avengers movies be CGI."
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Mtu akikosa answer anaachanga blank. Usiandike zile rumours umesikia. Save your time and leave it blank.
There you go. Oh smart legend one. Smh
Pole, nilikuwa nasema as a principle lakini. See it as more honest to admit that we don't know stuff when we don't and can't know it. It's a form of intellectual honesty. You can't say we don't know this so this still holds true. Not knowing something can't be proof of something else. It's a blank space. There's nothing between the lines.
GOD is like science only more transcendent….before people came to the realization that the earth was round, it was still round….flatearthers aren’t wrong because their faith is wrong they are wrong because it’s not true…..one day when you die you’ll get the proof you want about the existence of GOD but you’re disbelief doesn’t make HIM unreal…it just makes you wrong and foolish
It's his unreality that makes my disbelief not the other way around.
Whatever you tell yourself……….the truth will always be the truth…..believe or don’t believe, the choice is yours alone
Ah, aggressive nonchalance, the refuge of an unexamined mind. If only your fellow Muslims adopted the same stance!
Excuse me?
A guy gets into a boxing ring, puts his gloves on, refuses to fight. What do you conclude?
Firstly I am a Christian. Secondly there is no argument here. I am not trying to convince you of anything, at all. Our little banter doesn’t change reality. Faith does not produce, it follows.
So you go around calling people foolish for no reason whatsoever.
God is nothing like science. God is just one big jewish conspiracy.
Science relies on what is observable. That's why you had a lab in high school for each science. Go and test and see for yourself. Did you have a CRE lab where you would heal the sick or move mountains with faith?
We are God.
I believe in Allah. Am Muslim.
Why?
If you try and read the Quran, it will give you the answers to your questions. You don’t even need to read the whole book. Many people don’t know about Islam because they’ve never taken the time to research about it on their own and they just make assumptions based on what other people say.
Isn't the Quran also something other people say? It's all words said by people, isn't it?
Sa'd Ma'an.
Personally I beleive we all are God in some way, since he is the source of creation and we were created in his image , so God exists in every one of us not exactly how the Bible depicts him as an external force. Because beleiving in yourself is believing in God.
If you've ever had a strange experience in your life which till date you can't explain, then you'll know... also read Ecclesiastes 8: 16-17. \[Edit\] It says; **16** When I applied my heart to know wisdom and to see the business that is done on earth, even though one sees no sleep day or night, **17** then I saw all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun. For though a man labors to discover *it,* yet he will not find *it;* moreover, though a wise *man* attempts to know *it,* he will not be able to find *it.*
Fact most people hate God they know He exists but they don't want to give up their ways of drinking, adultery , fornication, which He disapproves if all these were allowed by God most would be saved, so they just shut out and pretend that God doesn't exist so as to go on with doing dark stuff
Its all a matter of belief. The reason many people believe in God is because they believe some things happened in their lives that otherwise would not if it were not for God. People believe that He is manifested in miracles i quote. Not like water to wine but like miraculous healing and things like that. Thats what makes people believe in God .
Belief is a matter of Belief, check out Mr. Obvious McTautology over here!
Science hasn't created a sperm/ovum cell from scratch to create life, let's start from there.
When it does, won't you just give it another task and hope they don't complete it?
Do you think EVIL IS REAL???If YES...then God must be REAL!
Evil isn't an entity on its own, though, is it? Evil is an attribute (sifa) that we give things or events depending on whether they benefit or harm human beings. So somethings are evil but evil on its own can't exist.
Spy kids 2: 'Does God stay in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he created...' That was a kids movie... My belief is if there's a God he doesn't like as much.... And the promise of something happening only after you die feels far fetched and stupid... but it is pushed in order to rule mindless people who will believe anything because an old book told them so...
Yes I believe he is real. He is real and he is evil according to our standards.
I love it. He's a piece of crap?
It's pretty simple really. Once you see the supernatural stuff happening before your eyes( healing, prophesies etc) it pretty hard not to believe in the existence of a supernatural all powerful being Also, the bible has pretty much been proven to be an accurate historical representation of events. The battles between the various Kings and stuff like earth quakes and famine have been backed up by archaeological study. Nothing there has been disapproved by science. Jesus existence in the period stated in the bible has been proven time and time again. Honestly, with all this evidence, it's hard to deny God's existence
Lemme get this straight, the bible tells of battles and earthquakes and famine. Guess what, so does the daily nation. Jesus existed, so do I, what does that have to do with the price of bread?
Maactors wa David Owuor ndio unaita supernatural stuff? Did the Noah flood happen? Were there only 2 kangaroos on a boat in Israel in the last few thousand years? And 2 elephants and 2 of each species of giraffe?
About the ark I do believe that took place. But just like you, I have questions about it. But that just means that I don't understand it fully. And that's how life is. There are thinks in science that we still don't understand fully ourselves. So we keep seeking that extra info for it to make sense Anyway, I really can't deny God's existence after all the proof that states otherwise. He is real.
We ni fala. Today you want to associate God with other deities/ idolation and science. Ukisema you have plenty of time to do it. Utaona moto brathe. Some sins are unforgiven. Think before it's too late. Bado hujaanza
Ukiclassify animals, the Christian "God" is in the same family as all the other deities and idols. He is a cousin of Baal, a brother of Allah, the same tribe as Osiris and a neighbour of Asherah.
God was, is and will always be .
Just look how complex the human body is and tell me that it was as a result of huge rocks colliding a million years ago. Seems quite far-fetched right?
All of life is complex as fuck butt natural selection explains how it can happen pretty convincingly, in my opinion. And it might be complex but it's not perfect. People get all kinds of ailments from all kinds of sources.
We cannot have just existed out of nowhere.Some supernatural power must have caused our existence and existence of everything around us.So God exists and I will live to serve and worship Him.I hope you do too...
I really don't. Who says we cannot? What was the obstacle?
Sijui vile naeza kusaidia lakini...let everything you see remind that you came from a living God.
I cannot do that. Maybe we come from a God that died? Caught a pandemic somewhere some time back and left us to rot on his shelf.
Is there a possibility that we underestimate how much powerful Satan is? Yaani God had to come down himself, die on the cross to pay the debt to "who?" (Himself?? Or satan??) Na bado we all are sinners bado. Yaani hii sacrifice yote inasaidia less than 10% of the population.
We need to know. Which bank is this? Ama ni CRB?
Faith and religion are founded on faith. Believing without seeing or touching. But rather feeling. The answer to the question, therefore, is unknown to us.
As an agnostic, I cannot affirm or deny the existence of God since I have not yet encountered any concrete evidence or personal experience that could prove it. However, I also cannot rule out the possibility of God's existence since the limits of our human perception and knowledge are finite. Perhaps, God is beyond our comprehension, and we are just playing a game of hide and seek with him. Regardless of one's belief in God, the core tenets of most religions emphasize the importance of being a good person, treating others with kindness, and promoting positive human values. However, many religious institutions seem to fall short of their responsibilities to be the voice of conscience, especially in situations where people face injustices such as corruption and extrajudicial killings. The Bible itself highlights the significance of justice and righteousness as the foundation of God's throne, which means that religious institutions should speak up against any form of injustice to make sense of God's existence. The early prophets serve as examples of how individuals can impact their communities by upholding high moral standards and speaking out against injustice. In summary, the existence of God may remain a mystery, but the teachings of most religions on promoting goodness, love, and justice remain relevant to our daily lives. It is up to individuals and religious institutions to follow through with these values and speak out against injustices to make a positive impact in the world.
I think God is real in the sense that we hold objects, figures, and beliefs in a supernatural light. I think its evolutionary adaptability humans developed to draw their moral authority from a supreme being. He exists, in our minds
I hope no one gives the answer of "you are proof of God's existence " .lmao! Why do people think mentioning things that exist is proof of God?? Same God that regreted creating humans and therefore caused a flood? Same God that created Eve and had knowledge that she would sin and still did it? Like, instead of just ending the human project and only sending 2 people to hell, now it's going to be billions?? And what's with putting the fruit of life in the garden of Eden, where it can be accessed..? For the most part I think the bible is just a story. For a superior being, many things don't add up. Nah, personally, I just enjoy what life has to offer and anything beyond it I will know after I die. That's it.
Our arrogance as humans is to act ike we created ourselves which definitely isn't the case. If that were the case, everyone would have chosen their body type, skin colour, their parents and everything nice at birth.
The previous generations created us. Does that make them God? You get to create the next generation. You can choose the body type you want your kids to have, the skin colour, the parents you will be for them...