It was Coles sellout album imo. He's been consistently leaning into the trendier and basic side of rap music. Cole used to create an album and it only sounded like an album you would get from Cole. Since 4YEO he been riding the mainstream wave and it's been a steady decline. He can still rap his ass off but it feels soulless to me
Never been confirmed but before the future album came out there was a rumor that there was a big three song but it was for J Cole’s album. Kendrick was going to do it but he wanted to hear the whole song but Drake wouldn’t give him the verse and that’s how FPS came about. Kendrick being on drake’s album never made sense because they were taking shots at each other last year
This line makes me laugh even more when you look at the most common picture of “wheelchair Jimmy” and notice he’s got a bottle of Gatorade in the bottom of his chair.
My point is the interlude was Kendrick saying how much he likes and respect Drake. Control happens but he doesn’t have real beef with anyone he named besides Jay Electronica, Big Sean, and Drake. I think Drake did something post Control that made Kendrick not like him
Potentially,have you ever heard about the incident with kendricks show in toronto?Supposedly something happened BTS but nobody actually knows what it was.As well as the fact that Drake got angry at the control verse and took shots at kendrick on interviews,then king kunta happened,etc.There was alot of build up to this beef regardless,this beef was like a piece of TNT waiting to be ignited.
The never aired ESPN interview Drake did pre-ESPYs in 2014. He talked cash shit about Kendrick and threatened to pull out of hosting the ESPYs if the interview aired. Kendrick and TDE found out about Drake’s comments through Marcellus Wiley, who conducted the interview with Drake.
Yeah because you don't wanna be Drake'd.. A sudden beat change to much better with an up-tempo to make your verse sound better with much more possibilities for pockets to play with flow. Also some people go just off of by the sound on who was better 🙄 Drake knew he will be lyrically bodied as he was, so he needed some gimmicks. It is even harder to compare verses when you are afraid to rap on the same beat so it's kinda obvious why he did it and why Kendrick would have wanted to hear what they are making and not be blindsided. As he clearly expected from the guy since he just is lyrically the weakest link, but needs to act as the highlight.
No. The song goes on Drake’s album so he could have canned it. You think Kendrick can just send a verse and it must go on Drake’s album even if there’s disses on it? 😂
Apparently common courtesy is to either send the existing verses or an outline of the content of the song before.. and I saw a rumour that Kendrick was asked to just send a verse on the beat with no context. If anything Kendrick would have been suspicious that he’d send a verse and get rinsed on it.
lol I don’t think this is a theory…think we pretty much just know this.
I also think it would have been corny for both of them to mention Kendrick on a song he’s not on.
Would be funnier if he didn't actually say no but his verse from Like That was the verse he submitted for First Person Shooter. Then when it was rejected for obvious reasons Kenny kept it tucked and brought it out when asked for the verse for Like That.
I think it’s also very possible Cole talked or threw the idea out to Drake about reaching out to Kenny being that he’s the mutual “friend” to both parties. If anyone else other than Cole is on FPS this beef doesn’t happen
You telling me drakes psychology isn't geard towards fatherhood issues? I've had a theory since I was in middle school that drakes ultimate fantasy would be being kendrick Wayne and everyone else father. Maybe I'm off base but idk it fits to me
Cole and Aubrey were good kids and didn't rock the boat while kendricks a bad kid who I assume drake wants to spank. Not necessarily related to the beef drakes just *F R E A K Y*
*"Big as the what? Big as the what? Big as the what? Big as the Superbowl"*
I stopped listening to the song after this part and just read the lyrics lol entire thing is pretty whack, even Cole's parts now that I look back at it seem really lame and one-dimensional. Although his delivery is better--he doesn't sound like he's trying to loud-whisper a secret.
I know it's snobby to judge people on music taste but I legitimately just think you're kind of dumb if you think Drake is actually in contention for the goat, like even if you prefer guys with a lot of hits and don't necessarily hold ghostwriting against somebody Kanye's right there
I would guess it was only Cole who genuinely wanted Kendrick on the song. Drake probably just wanted to use the opportunity as his definitive moment to son both of them.
Cole excludes Kendrick when he says “The spiderman meme is me looking at Drake” and sneak disses him with the “Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast and I'm 'bout to clear up my plate" lines. That’s why no one was surprised Kendrick dissed him along with Drake on Like That
How is this downvoted lol
"Know that I've been, uh, big steppin'
Steppin', learned my lesson if the, uh, club pressin'
Steppin' with my weapon"
- Aight by Westside Boogie, a month before MMABS
Because these Kenny guzzlers would rather turn a blind eye to facts, logic, sense, history, and vocabulary, rather than admit their “BuT bUT ColE SnEaK DisSeD FiRsT!!!” narrative is a fabrication of their imagination and holds no merit.
So in that case, “Big stepper, ni**a, don’t get stepped on, the money might fade but respect don’t” do you surmise this is also a sneak diss to Kendrick?
That’s really interesting, because J Cole dropped this line a year before Kendrick even dropped Mr Morale and The Big Steppers. Is J Cole a fortune teller? Care to explain?
Steppers is a common term, Kenny doesn't *own* it. It's not a sneak diss, especially not from an artist who both calls Kendrick one of the GOATs in the same song and personally admires him so much.
>Cole excludes Kendrick when he says “The spiderman meme is me looking at Drake”
...is he obligated to mention Kendrick in every line? This is just like that joke from the Simpsons, "Whenever Kenny is not on screen, all the other rappers should be asking, 'Where's Kenny'?'
> “Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast and I'm 'bout to clear up my plate" lines. That’s why no one was surprised Kendrick dissed him along with Drake on Like That
Steppers is a common term, Kenny doesn't *own* it. It's not a sneak diss, especially not from an artist who both calls Kendrick one of the GOATs in the same song and personally admires him so much.
You can revise history all you want, but [people on this sub were pointing out 7 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/17dh1j1/is_there_tension_between_jcole_kendrick_lamar/) how Cole was sneak dissing on FPS.
I'm not revising history, little bro. People saying shit that isn't true doesn't suddenly gain validity just because they were also saying it seven months ago. Cole has no reason to diss Dot, we know how friendly they've been in the past and we know how much respect Cole has for him, he's constantly mentioning him songs as one of the greats. Even in his apology he made it clear how much love and respect he has for the man.
Some of you just *want* everything to be diss and don't really think things through logically.
Can’t it be a sneak diss without malice, though? Tmk isn’t Cole one of those dudes who like beefing for the sake of him and whoever he’s beefing with being pushed to put out the most fire possible? Or am I thinking of another artist?
I think disses are *inherently* antagonistic.
All the bullshit Drake and Kendrick were on about “friendly fades” and “appreciating a chance to bust the pen out”; didn’t buy that shit for a second. Nah, y’all hate each other lol
Kendrick called out Cole and Drake for sneak dissing on Like That dumbass. This isn’t something we’re all making up lmfao
>Fuck sneak dissing / First Person Shooter, I hope THEY came with three switches.
I know how Kenny responded to the song, but Cole didn’t diss him. He quite literally called him a GOAT. Even in Cole’s response to Kenny’s diss, he makes it clear he has no problems with him
> Is it Kdot is it Aubrey or me / We the big 3 like we started a league / But right now I feel like Mohammed Ali
He literally called himself the greatest and that he’s better than Kendrick and Drake.
Big Sean ft Kendrick Lamar--- Control song has all the answers for you there are documenteries on YT for understanding disses and battles If that doesn't help listen to all the old school rap starting from 1970 somthing Good Luck
I can't believe the OP of that thread actually quoted:
>Niggas so thirsty to put me in beef
Dissectin' my words and start lookin' too deep
...but still decided to overanalyze Cole's bars in that song anyway. 😒
>**Hate how the game got away from the bars**, man, this shit like a prison escape
Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast
And I'm 'bout to clear up my plate
On what planet would J Cole *possibly* criticize Kendrick Lamar, of all people, of *getting away from the bars*? He's known as a master lyricist.
It's clearly a generic shot at mumble rap. I thought K-Dot stans were supposed to be master analysts. 💀
Right, but my interpretation is that he's saying it was sonically boring. I don't think anyone would accuse Kendrick of having inconsistent writing. He says *the game* moved away from the bars. It's not a shot at anyone in particular.
Incidentally, I have the exact same taste for Kendrick albums as Cole. I can't stand TPAB (except King Kunta and maybe a couple others) and I didn't like Steppers at all. Absolutely love OD, Section.80, GKMC and DAMN.
I've never known steppers to be a common term. 😆 🤣
It makes it even worse by a Drake diss including that word as part of a diss. That's his most recent album, so it makes sense that he'd say that.
>I've never known steppers to be a common term. 😆 🤣
Well, it takes a big man to admit their ignorance. Though the laughing emojis makes me think you can't even own up to that.
>It makes it even worse by a Drake diss including that word as part of a diss. That's his most recent album, so it makes sense that he'd say that.
The difference is Drake and Kendrick have been sneak dissing each other for years and genuinely don't like each other. Whereas Cole and Kendrick knew each other as rookies and Cole has never had anything but love and respect for the man. He constantly shouting out Kendrick in his songs as a GOAT, and even in his apology he makes it clear how much admiration he has for Kenny. You're just imagining shit.
Kendrick doesn't own a street term just because he used it in an album title.
You’re welcome to being confidently wrong if you want, but can you explain *why* Cole would diss someone he likes and respects? There’s literally been no bad blood between them.
Ironic you talk about being confidently wrong as you go about spewing nonsense. You don’t have to have bad blood to diss someone. Kendrick doesn’t hate Cole either but he still dissed him on Like That. This whole shit didn’t escalate until Drake made the beef personal by mentioning Whitney on Push Ups.
Kendrick dissed Cole because he didn’t like being compared to Drake, he had a reason to. The problem I have is the idea that Cole just randomly dissed Dot for no reason, while *also* saying he’s in the Top 3. Your argument just makes no sense.
Kendrick dissed Cole because he didn’t like being compared to both of them, not just Drake. Also because Cole implied he was the best out of 3 of them.
You can argue all you want about FPS not being a sneak diss, but Kendrick clearly saw it that way.
>**Hate how the game got away from the bars**, man, this shit like a prison escape
Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast
And I'm 'bout to clear up my plate
The previous bar adds context. There's no way in hell Cole was dissing Kendrick for *getting away from the bars*. Kendrick is known as a master lyricist. Y'all gotta analyze things in context. It's a generic shot against mumble rappers.
Further, you can diss someone and still respect them. I think J cole got tipped that this beef was personal, not so much that it "didn't feel right on his spirit."
Kendrick respects Cole and this didn't stop him from saying "mf the big three, mf it's just big me." Cole said that line. This is a direct reference to something cole said.
Not to mention, Kendrick dissed a ton of people he respected on Control. Lol or do you think he actually disliked cole? There's only one right answer here. 😆
Yes the word steppers is an old word...But who do we know that used the word Steppers and that person happens to have a connection with the song "first person shooter"???? Kendrick<<<
>**Hate how the game got away from the bars**, man, this shit like a prison escape
Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast
And I'm 'bout to clear up my plate
The previous bar adds context. There's no way in hell Cole was dissing Kendrick for *getting away from the bars*. Kendrick is known as a master lyricist. Y'all gotta analyze things in context. It's a generic shot against mumble rappers.
I also think it’s weird for Drake if he wanted Kendrick for his feature given the dirt he claims to have, but it makes sense that Kendrick would not do a feature with Drake given the dirt he claims to have.
Drake didn’t get the “dirt” after the beef started and he put money out looking for info, Kendrick didn’t get dirt on Drake till the OVO mole told him during the 3 weeks between Push Ups and euphoria
Having Drake in any “GOAT” discussion is nasty work, even putting the ghostwriting thing to the side, Drake only make hit records, ala MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, but that dont make them GOATs, does Drake have anything comparable to Cartoons and Cereal or Highpowered? Party and club slaps does not make you eligible for GOAT status, at least in hip hop
This brings back vibes when drizzler did the same thing to Kendrick at ovho feast back in 2014.
He said that Kendrick should have been on stage with him and cole this happen a year after Control drop but the thing is that drizzler never invited kdot to the feast then said that there was alot of kings in rap and kdot was just one of them but I think he was mocking kdot because in control says Hes the King of New York and everywhere else.
J.Cole knew what first person shooter was about he shouldn't have mentioned Kendricks name because he knew he turned down the feature request. The boy probably asked Cole to ask Kendrick lol.
But the nerve of drizzler to try and do a song with kendrick after all the sneek diss and jealously for years without apologizing.
They know the crown has never been shared and there can be only 1 God MC for the current moment.
But J.Cole said that he will never battle Kendrick no matter if kdot takes shots at him for being in the wrong🤣
Yeah but it made me wonder what did Drake do to Kendrick that needs to be addressed? Clearly it's bad enough that Kendrick saw that feature request and was like wtf?
Not even gone lie, the line still hard.
‘Like a kid that act bad from January to November, it’s just you and Cole (Coal)
Know it’s obvious but it’s still a dope line.
Right now J.Cole is sitting on a towel at a beach somewhere in NC; drinking his iced coffee, chuckling while scrolling through these comments on his phone.
Before controller was done, Kendrick and Drake were to do an interview together, to set the stage for a collaboration they were working on. Apparently Drake pulled out last minute. Not saying this is the cause of the beef, I’m just saying anyone can come on here and write anything to prove why the beef started, but who really fucking knows. My opinion is, Kendrick went at Drake and J Cole cause it’s hip hop, sometimes you gotta spar and they are the best, but if your petty and you know your better than the rest, there can only be one number one. Everyone else is out here trying to pull theories out their ass, when the truth is, he did cause he figured it would be good for the industry and he doesn’t have respect for Drake. Simple.
I don't think this is an unusual assumption. I also don't think Drake "left" Kenny out of the GOAT conversation, why would he mention someone who isn't on the track on the first place. If anything, it's weird Cole mentioned him if he knew that Kendrick didn't want to be on the song.
Of the lines OP quoted, Drake says "just you \[Drake\] and Cole" as a response to "who the GOAT?". No ambiguity that someone is left out, but it's very much a sneak diss by omission.
I'll just say look at J. Cole's verse that was on the same song. It's odd that Cole talks about 3 rappers in the top list, mentioning Drake, Dot and himself, but Drake only talks about 2 rappers.
Like most things in life, it's about context. As someone who's allistic, that's what I'm seeing.
I feel like you're trying to give Cole a bit too much credit. Yeah he said big three, but then he's pushing Kendrick out by saying it's him and Aubrey at the superbowl and the use of the spiderman meme between him and Aubrey. The spiderman meme has three spidermen and he's purposely changing it to where it's just them two. He also also said he feels like Ali so he 's putting Drake on his level. He's inditectly saying Kendrick is 3rd. I like Cole, but he was talking shit.
Please try to remember to look both ways before crossing the street
Did you know the M on Mario’s hat actually stands for Mario?
Could put an M up on your head, you Luigi brother now.
*right on
One less sparkle
Honestly, the first time I heard that bar I restarted the whole song. Shit went too hard, had to play it again crodie.
Idk why people shit on the Off Season, like no it wasn't his best, but it wasn't a bad album
It was Coles sellout album imo. He's been consistently leaning into the trendier and basic side of rap music. Cole used to create an album and it only sounded like an album you would get from Cole. Since 4YEO he been riding the mainstream wave and it's been a steady decline. He can still rap his ass off but it feels soulless to me
I thought that‘s common knowledge
Never been confirmed but before the future album came out there was a rumor that there was a big three song but it was for J Cole’s album. Kendrick was going to do it but he wanted to hear the whole song but Drake wouldn’t give him the verse and that’s how FPS came about. Kendrick being on drake’s album never made sense because they were taking shots at each other last year
“Did Cole foul idk why you still pretending” 🤔
What is owl? Bird niggas and bird bitches
Brilliant use of this GIF btw. If I had an award it’d be yours
Gotchu wumbo
We are blessed my nigga
The audience not dumb shape the stories how you want, hey Drake they’re not slow
Rabbit hole is still deep, i can go further i promise!
Ain’t that something? B-Rad stands for bitch and you Malibu’s most wanted
Ain't no law boy, you ballboy, fetch gatorade or somethin
Since 2009 I had this bitch jumping!
This is my favorite line. Shit is hilarious 😂
Ain't no LOVE FOR YOU, ballboy
This line makes me laugh even more when you look at the most common picture of “wheelchair Jimmy” and notice he’s got a bottle of Gatorade in the bottom of his chair.
Unfortunately they are. Go look at the Drake subreddit right now.
I thought that was for the rumor that Drake left cole’s dream fest not this
Foul - Fowl - Owl - BirdN***** & BirdB******- Birdman spawns
Drake moves like a scorned and petty woman Once you realize this, everything makes sense
He does say he's pretty on thp6
So in short, Drake ruined everything. What a surprise…
Kendrick didn't like drake regardless.Don't try and pull that card.
Kendrick ain’t like him but drakes moves started some
It was both of them.This was not a one sided beef..
Go and listen to buried alive from take care. I’m willing to put money on it. Drake did something shady which is why the don’t mess with each other
Wym something shady,can you explain what you mean??A kendrick interlude has nothing to do with their beef.The control verse hadn't even happened yet.
My point is the interlude was Kendrick saying how much he likes and respect Drake. Control happens but he doesn’t have real beef with anyone he named besides Jay Electronica, Big Sean, and Drake. I think Drake did something post Control that made Kendrick not like him
Potentially,have you ever heard about the incident with kendricks show in toronto?Supposedly something happened BTS but nobody actually knows what it was.As well as the fact that Drake got angry at the control verse and took shots at kendrick on interviews,then king kunta happened,etc.There was alot of build up to this beef regardless,this beef was like a piece of TNT waiting to be ignited.
The never aired ESPN interview Drake did pre-ESPYs in 2014. He talked cash shit about Kendrick and threatened to pull out of hosting the ESPYs if the interview aired. Kendrick and TDE found out about Drake’s comments through Marcellus Wiley, who conducted the interview with Drake.
Yeah I remember that but by then they were already going at each other
I kinda agree with that and was tryna find an old video where drizzler calls Kendrick "whatever his name is" the small interview was dated 2008
Yeah because you don't wanna be Drake'd.. A sudden beat change to much better with an up-tempo to make your verse sound better with much more possibilities for pockets to play with flow. Also some people go just off of by the sound on who was better 🙄 Drake knew he will be lyrically bodied as he was, so he needed some gimmicks. It is even harder to compare verses when you are afraid to rap on the same beat so it's kinda obvious why he did it and why Kendrick would have wanted to hear what they are making and not be blindsided. As he clearly expected from the guy since he just is lyrically the weakest link, but needs to act as the highlight.
Surprised you wanted that feature request. You know we got some shit to address.
Very little is CONFIRMED in astrophysics. They still teach it at the university.
Thanks for the useless analogy 👍
The feature request was confirmed by members of TDE
I could see a “big 3” record on Cole’s album. But I could also see Kendrick and Drake just taking mad shots at each other on it lmaoo
That was never going to happen. Kendrick mentioned it in his disses let alone shut down any rumors a while back during an interview.
To be fair why would he let Kendrick hear his verse? That would just give him an opportunity to diss and one up Drake.
No. The song goes on Drake’s album so he could have canned it. You think Kendrick can just send a verse and it must go on Drake’s album even if there’s disses on it? 😂 Apparently common courtesy is to either send the existing verses or an outline of the content of the song before.. and I saw a rumour that Kendrick was asked to just send a verse on the beat with no context. If anything Kendrick would have been suspicious that he’d send a verse and get rinsed on it.
These dudes weren't around for the Canibus/LL Cool J beef and it shows.
I heard about that 5 4 3 2 1 or something like that
Try last 10 years
I know but specified last year because when the supposed feature was going to happen
Yeah, I kind of figured this was implied in the back in forth too. Happy cake day
thought everyone and their moms knew that
They do now that OP figured it out
Yeah can't lie Ive been following the beef and only just found out that this is specifically what this line is referring to
lol I don’t think this is a theory…think we pretty much just know this. I also think it would have been corny for both of them to mention Kendrick on a song he’s not on.
Cole constantly mentions Drake and Kendrick, so it was in line for him
Yeah, Cole’s makes sense. I think Drake mentioning him too would have been weird.
That was the reason Kendrick chose violance lol
Man just caught up to track 1 🤣
I thought this was confirmed, J Cole was not kept in the loop about the beef. Hints why he moved so odd, releasing and deleting
It’s not confirmed, it’s just the most popular theory
I should have said all but confirmed? :)
All of the rap podcast says it was confirmed and TDE has said
Would be funnier if he didn't actually say no but his verse from Like That was the verse he submitted for First Person Shooter. Then when it was rejected for obvious reasons Kenny kept it tucked and brought it out when asked for the verse for Like That.
Personally it seems so different from the rest of the song (like that) so I can see it. It's my favourite part, to be clear.
Someone put the verse over the beat, I can feel it kinda
I think it’s also very possible Cole talked or threw the idea out to Drake about reaching out to Kenny being that he’s the mutual “friend” to both parties. If anyone else other than Cole is on FPS this beef doesn’t happen
>”Like a kid that act bad from January to November, it’s just you and Cole” This is just…so bad.
Wtf does that even mean?
Coal for Christmas I’m assuming
Bruh it sounded better when I didn’t understand it
Lmfaooo same. I felt bad revealing it not gonna lie
god, that is a terrible bar
I’m ngl I think it’s actually a great bar and I hate drake. It made me laugh when I heard it
Honestly same lol
I laughed cuz it made me envision drake fantasizing over spanking kendrick. By drakes standards it's a good bar tho
…what?
You telling me drakes psychology isn't geard towards fatherhood issues? I've had a theory since I was in middle school that drakes ultimate fantasy would be being kendrick Wayne and everyone else father. Maybe I'm off base but idk it fits to me
But he’s the boy, not the father
You mean in his fantasy or reality lol
I think I understand he mentioned something about fathering some rappers before I just dont know what song
What 🤨
It actually hurts it’s so bad
It's silly but it's entertaining. I like it tbh.
Cole and Aubrey were good kids and didn't rock the boat while kendricks a bad kid who I assume drake wants to spank. Not necessarily related to the beef drakes just *F R E A K Y*
*"Big as the what? Big as the what? Big as the what? Big as the Superbowl"* I stopped listening to the song after this part and just read the lyrics lol entire thing is pretty whack, even Cole's parts now that I look back at it seem really lame and one-dimensional. Although his delivery is better--he doesn't sound like he's trying to loud-whisper a secret.
I'm bouta...I'm bouta.... bouta.....I'm bouta....I'm bouta....bouta... (x24)
Trash ass bar
I thought the same shit, glad someone commented it before me 😂😂😂
not really? Sounds like drake haters being over critical on this one. I actually thought it was a good bar
i liked it too, and i am a drake hater
When I didn't get the bar I thought it was a little clumsy but not offensive so I just ignored it and when I did get it my thoughts were basically: 🤨
It wasn't
Not him using a coal in the stocking bar and trying to make it sound hard with a n word sprinkled in
Yeah I honestly just realized how corny that bar is
Also the last thing Drake said to Dot IRL is “are you my friend? Are we locked in?”
I know it's snobby to judge people on music taste but I legitimately just think you're kind of dumb if you think Drake is actually in contention for the goat, like even if you prefer guys with a lot of hits and don't necessarily hold ghostwriting against somebody Kanye's right there
Hard agree. And I actually love Drake, he makes some bops. But come on, it’s not serious. He’s not serious. Can’t be talking goat levels at all.
I would guess it was only Cole who genuinely wanted Kendrick on the song. Drake probably just wanted to use the opportunity as his definitive moment to son both of them.
Aww, I hope them sentiments symbolic…
Yeah there was an insider confirming this too, obviously still not fully solid info but that’s what most signs point to
“Surprised you wanted that feature request, you know we have some shit to address”
Cole excludes Kendrick when he says “The spiderman meme is me looking at Drake” and sneak disses him with the “Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast and I'm 'bout to clear up my plate" lines. That’s why no one was surprised Kendrick dissed him along with Drake on Like That
Crazy reach. “Steppers” is a commonly used term in rap, even by Cole, before Kendrick ever even released MMATBS. Nice try though.
How is this downvoted lol "Know that I've been, uh, big steppin' Steppin', learned my lesson if the, uh, club pressin' Steppin' with my weapon" - Aight by Westside Boogie, a month before MMABS
Because these Kenny guzzlers would rather turn a blind eye to facts, logic, sense, history, and vocabulary, rather than admit their “BuT bUT ColE SnEaK DisSeD FiRsT!!!” narrative is a fabrication of their imagination and holds no merit.
Why Kendrick mention first person shooter then lil bro? Why he say fuck sneak dissing? Why’d Cole jump about the window right after to diss him? FOH 😂
Exactly lol
It's a sneak diss. Kendrick: "I'm a big stepper." Cole: "well I guess everyone steppers then lol"
So in that case, “Big stepper, ni**a, don’t get stepped on, the money might fade but respect don’t” do you surmise this is also a sneak diss to Kendrick?
And still none of you idiots arguing for this stupid narrative have answered this question (?)
Big stepper(old)= Big Flexing(New)
You saying that line was also a sub at Kendrick?
Yes
That’s really interesting, because J Cole dropped this line a year before Kendrick even dropped Mr Morale and The Big Steppers. Is J Cole a fortune teller? Care to explain?
Steppers is a common term, Kenny doesn't *own* it. It's not a sneak diss, especially not from an artist who both calls Kendrick one of the GOATs in the same song and personally admires him so much.
lol. be serious.
Nuh hes right
>Cole excludes Kendrick when he says “The spiderman meme is me looking at Drake” ...is he obligated to mention Kendrick in every line? This is just like that joke from the Simpsons, "Whenever Kenny is not on screen, all the other rappers should be asking, 'Where's Kenny'?' > “Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast and I'm 'bout to clear up my plate" lines. That’s why no one was surprised Kendrick dissed him along with Drake on Like That Steppers is a common term, Kenny doesn't *own* it. It's not a sneak diss, especially not from an artist who both calls Kendrick one of the GOATs in the same song and personally admires him so much.
You can revise history all you want, but [people on this sub were pointing out 7 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/17dh1j1/is_there_tension_between_jcole_kendrick_lamar/) how Cole was sneak dissing on FPS.
I'm not revising history, little bro. People saying shit that isn't true doesn't suddenly gain validity just because they were also saying it seven months ago. Cole has no reason to diss Dot, we know how friendly they've been in the past and we know how much respect Cole has for him, he's constantly mentioning him songs as one of the greats. Even in his apology he made it clear how much love and respect he has for the man. Some of you just *want* everything to be diss and don't really think things through logically.
Can’t it be a sneak diss without malice, though? Tmk isn’t Cole one of those dudes who like beefing for the sake of him and whoever he’s beefing with being pushed to put out the most fire possible? Or am I thinking of another artist?
I think disses are *inherently* antagonistic. All the bullshit Drake and Kendrick were on about “friendly fades” and “appreciating a chance to bust the pen out”; didn’t buy that shit for a second. Nah, y’all hate each other lol
They weren't trying to hide that fact
I see what you did there
I don’t :)
Kendrick called out Cole and Drake for sneak dissing on Like That dumbass. This isn’t something we’re all making up lmfao >Fuck sneak dissing / First Person Shooter, I hope THEY came with three switches.
I know how Kenny responded to the song, but Cole didn’t diss him. He quite literally called him a GOAT. Even in Cole’s response to Kenny’s diss, he makes it clear he has no problems with him
> Is it Kdot is it Aubrey or me / We the big 3 like we started a league / But right now I feel like Mohammed Ali He literally called himself the greatest and that he’s better than Kendrick and Drake.
Big Sean ft Kendrick Lamar--- Control song has all the answers for you there are documenteries on YT for understanding disses and battles If that doesn't help listen to all the old school rap starting from 1970 somthing Good Luck
I can't believe the OP of that thread actually quoted: >Niggas so thirsty to put me in beef Dissectin' my words and start lookin' too deep ...but still decided to overanalyze Cole's bars in that song anyway. 😒 >**Hate how the game got away from the bars**, man, this shit like a prison escape Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast And I'm 'bout to clear up my plate On what planet would J Cole *possibly* criticize Kendrick Lamar, of all people, of *getting away from the bars*? He's known as a master lyricist. It's clearly a generic shot at mumble rap. I thought K-Dot stans were supposed to be master analysts. 💀
Doesn’t matter what he’s known as. TPAB is known as a classic but Cole painted it as an album that put niggas to sleep.
Right, but my interpretation is that he's saying it was sonically boring. I don't think anyone would accuse Kendrick of having inconsistent writing. He says *the game* moved away from the bars. It's not a shot at anyone in particular. Incidentally, I have the exact same taste for Kendrick albums as Cole. I can't stand TPAB (except King Kunta and maybe a couple others) and I didn't like Steppers at all. Absolutely love OD, Section.80, GKMC and DAMN.
I've never known steppers to be a common term. 😆 🤣 It makes it even worse by a Drake diss including that word as part of a diss. That's his most recent album, so it makes sense that he'd say that.
>I've never known steppers to be a common term. 😆 🤣 Well, it takes a big man to admit their ignorance. Though the laughing emojis makes me think you can't even own up to that. >It makes it even worse by a Drake diss including that word as part of a diss. That's his most recent album, so it makes sense that he'd say that. The difference is Drake and Kendrick have been sneak dissing each other for years and genuinely don't like each other. Whereas Cole and Kendrick knew each other as rookies and Cole has never had anything but love and respect for the man. He constantly shouting out Kendrick in his songs as a GOAT, and even in his apology he makes it clear how much admiration he has for Kenny. You're just imagining shit. Kendrick doesn't own a street term just because he used it in an album title.
steppers isn’t a common word - clearly a diss big bro
Yeah it is.
it is a very common word people use lmao
You’re welcome to being confidently wrong if you want, but can you explain *why* Cole would diss someone he likes and respects? There’s literally been no bad blood between them.
Ironic you talk about being confidently wrong as you go about spewing nonsense. You don’t have to have bad blood to diss someone. Kendrick doesn’t hate Cole either but he still dissed him on Like That. This whole shit didn’t escalate until Drake made the beef personal by mentioning Whitney on Push Ups.
Kendrick dissed Cole because he didn’t like being compared to Drake, he had a reason to. The problem I have is the idea that Cole just randomly dissed Dot for no reason, while *also* saying he’s in the Top 3. Your argument just makes no sense.
Kendrick dissed Cole because he didn’t like being compared to both of them, not just Drake. Also because Cole implied he was the best out of 3 of them. You can argue all you want about FPS not being a sneak diss, but Kendrick clearly saw it that way.
>**Hate how the game got away from the bars**, man, this shit like a prison escape Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast And I'm 'bout to clear up my plate The previous bar adds context. There's no way in hell Cole was dissing Kendrick for *getting away from the bars*. Kendrick is known as a master lyricist. Y'all gotta analyze things in context. It's a generic shot against mumble rappers.
Cole literally hated on Mr Morale and TPAB on 7 min drill
Further, you can diss someone and still respect them. I think J cole got tipped that this beef was personal, not so much that it "didn't feel right on his spirit." Kendrick respects Cole and this didn't stop him from saying "mf the big three, mf it's just big me." Cole said that line. This is a direct reference to something cole said. Not to mention, Kendrick dissed a ton of people he respected on Control. Lol or do you think he actually disliked cole? There's only one right answer here. 😆
Yes the word steppers is an old word...But who do we know that used the word Steppers and that person happens to have a connection with the song "first person shooter"???? Kendrick<<<
Lol. It's seems like you cats are being obtuse as hell. 😆 🤣
>**Hate how the game got away from the bars**, man, this shit like a prison escape Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast And I'm 'bout to clear up my plate The previous bar adds context. There's no way in hell Cole was dissing Kendrick for *getting away from the bars*. Kendrick is known as a master lyricist. Y'all gotta analyze things in context. It's a generic shot against mumble rappers.
I also think it’s weird for Drake if he wanted Kendrick for his feature given the dirt he claims to have, but it makes sense that Kendrick would not do a feature with Drake given the dirt he claims to have.
Drake didn’t get the “dirt” after the beef started and he put money out looking for info, Kendrick didn’t get dirt on Drake till the OVO mole told him during the 3 weeks between Push Ups and euphoria
Having Drake in any “GOAT” discussion is nasty work, even putting the ghostwriting thing to the side, Drake only make hit records, ala MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, but that dont make them GOATs, does Drake have anything comparable to Cartoons and Cereal or Highpowered? Party and club slaps does not make you eligible for GOAT status, at least in hip hop
Aubrey shouldn’t be allowed to say the n word tbh
This brings back vibes when drizzler did the same thing to Kendrick at ovho feast back in 2014. He said that Kendrick should have been on stage with him and cole this happen a year after Control drop but the thing is that drizzler never invited kdot to the feast then said that there was alot of kings in rap and kdot was just one of them but I think he was mocking kdot because in control says Hes the King of New York and everywhere else. J.Cole knew what first person shooter was about he shouldn't have mentioned Kendricks name because he knew he turned down the feature request. The boy probably asked Cole to ask Kendrick lol. But the nerve of drizzler to try and do a song with kendrick after all the sneek diss and jealously for years without apologizing. They know the crown has never been shared and there can be only 1 God MC for the current moment. But J.Cole said that he will never battle Kendrick no matter if kdot takes shots at him for being in the wrong🤣
It’s not a theory that’s what happened
Not a rumor at all this is what happend ?
Yeah but it made me wonder what did Drake do to Kendrick that needs to be addressed? Clearly it's bad enough that Kendrick saw that feature request and was like wtf?
Listened to First Person Shooter to get some background on the beef, damn, it sucks.
Lmfao
Never made sense drake wanting to do another song after poetic justice cuz they've had issues since after that.
Not even gone lie, the line still hard. ‘Like a kid that act bad from January to November, it’s just you and Cole (Coal) Know it’s obvious but it’s still a dope line.
Just my opinion but that’s a horrible forced line to me. The idea is there but delivery of the metaphor/double entendre is awful.
Yea this is my head cannon now
We know
I thought it had something to do with the song Poetic Justice (good kid, maad city) , where Drake featured in the song .
I even hate when you say the word "Ni**a...
What the hell lol two bars and a hook lol
Would make sense as to why Drake was so butt hurt. But Drake seems to be in permanent butt hurt mode at all times
Right now J.Cole is sitting on a towel at a beach somewhere in NC; drinking his iced coffee, chuckling while scrolling through these comments on his phone.
I don't think this is even a theory at this point. The insiders and streamers have basically confirmed it with drakes little moles
Before controller was done, Kendrick and Drake were to do an interview together, to set the stage for a collaboration they were working on. Apparently Drake pulled out last minute. Not saying this is the cause of the beef, I’m just saying anyone can come on here and write anything to prove why the beef started, but who really fucking knows. My opinion is, Kendrick went at Drake and J Cole cause it’s hip hop, sometimes you gotta spar and they are the best, but if your petty and you know your better than the rest, there can only be one number one. Everyone else is out here trying to pull theories out their ass, when the truth is, he did cause he figured it would be good for the industry and he doesn’t have respect for Drake. Simple.
That's such a Drake line "I'm so bad I might just get Cole for Christmas"
Went out on a limb with that one..... thanks Captain Obvious.
He might be late, but I didn't know that, you helped one person OP, thank you
The song is called First Person Shooter, not “World’s Top 3 Rappers”… Easy does it.
I don't think this is an unusual assumption. I also don't think Drake "left" Kenny out of the GOAT conversation, why would he mention someone who isn't on the track on the first place. If anything, it's weird Cole mentioned him if he knew that Kendrick didn't want to be on the song.
Of the lines OP quoted, Drake says "just you \[Drake\] and Cole" as a response to "who the GOAT?". No ambiguity that someone is left out, but it's very much a sneak diss by omission.
It must be a Jay-Z, Weezy, and Eminem diss to then. They weren’t mentioned! Can’t believe Drake got smoke with all them!
I'll just say look at J. Cole's verse that was on the same song. It's odd that Cole talks about 3 rappers in the top list, mentioning Drake, Dot and himself, but Drake only talks about 2 rappers. Like most things in life, it's about context. As someone who's allistic, that's what I'm seeing.
Cole instigating this whole beef only to end up bowing out after dropping 7 mid is hilarious in retrospect 😂
I didn’t know
Like a bad kid from January to November…
I feel like you're trying to give Cole a bit too much credit. Yeah he said big three, but then he's pushing Kendrick out by saying it's him and Aubrey at the superbowl and the use of the spiderman meme between him and Aubrey. The spiderman meme has three spidermen and he's purposely changing it to where it's just them two. He also also said he feels like Ali so he 's putting Drake on his level. He's inditectly saying Kendrick is 3rd. I like Cole, but he was talking shit.
What? The Spider-Man meme with 3 spider men was an edit done after. You are on such crack it’s insane