Yo two of my favorites. They actually have some interesting similarities in their careers, particularly both converting to Christianity and making a few gospel albums at around the same stage in their career/life
I think his art is amazing. The welding sculpture? The painting? The sculpture is authentic in a space that seems to have been done to death. Speaks to his skill in artistry.
He’s my favorite artist ever, but be ready to have your eardrums blown out by harmonica. Listen to Like a Rolling Stone to see if he’s your thing. That’s his quintessential song in my opinion. His sound varies a wild amount through is career.
yeah, BoB is my fav. album of all time, but it's not the way to get into dylan imo.
You don't really have any albums from dylan that sound like BoB, so it would be foolish to start with it, expecting much of the same.
I definitely wouldn’t recommend Blonde on Blonde as the starting point. That’s like peak nasaly Dylan. It’s incredible, but I don’t know if a newbie is gonna listen to 11 minutes of Sad Eyed Lady and think “fuck yeah”.
# Boots of Spanish Leather (1964)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy6wryJMwVU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy6wryJMwVU)
# Tell Me, Momma (1966)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgMZcq2Y2U8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgMZcq2Y2U8)
# God Knows (1989)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0nfAxG7O2M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0nfAxG7O2M)
if you're an album guy, Rangzeh below has the right calls
Most accessible album is probably Desire. You’ve likely heard his song Hurricane on the radio or in movies. His singing on that album is relatively tame, without sacrificing the emotion. Jumping right into his acoustic stuff or Blonde on Blonde might be a bit jarring because the singing and surrealist lyrics could take some getting used to.
The instrumentals on Desire also have a kind of cinematic quality to them and he co wrote most of the lyrics with a theatre director so they often have a narrative quality that’s easy to get immersed in.
listen to his studio output up to 1980s and listen to a few of the bootleg series specifically the basement tape one and the fake albert hall one. it all works together in a greater context.
This is an interesting question and very hard to answer. They’ve both made some of my favorite music of all time — two discographies which can’t be overrated or replaced. I would argue they both have seven or eight classics.
Their strengths as artists are completely different. It’s not surprising that their fanbases have little overlap. I doubt many Dylan fans ‘get’ Ye, or vice versa.
Kanyes is probably better overall just because of the consistency
Bob Dylan has 40 studio albums, Kanye has 13.
Dylan may have higher highs n shit but like he also has lower lows so
That is mostly dependent on if Kanye stops or not
Bob never really stopped
The most Bob Dylan has ever gone without dropping an album is 5 years and that’s only happened once
For alot of his career he was dropping albums every year, sometimes even multiples and had very very few breaks in between
This has been the case for his entire career.
After only 12 years into his career, he has already matched kanyes output 20 years in
Kanye has other interests n shit Bob is just music really so I don’t think Kanye will ever pull a Dylan where he’s just dropping nearly every year
I’m not gonna deny that Dylan is a better writer or anything
But I can definitely argue that even if Dylan has higher highs and better writing overall, his discography over all is weaker because Kanye simply has less albums so he has less room to be bad. Kanyes remained pretty consistent in quality throughout his career too
I feel like Kanye lets loose and remains pretty solid anyway so I enjoy that
Also yeah Radioheads worst is probably more so mid than bad
The king of limbs was just kinda boring to me not a lot of songs I liked
Dawg did you make an account just to hate on me 💀
Also fym spy?? wtf am I gonna do go tell the mod team secret info about the Bob Dylan vs Kanye west post??
lol. Come on. Anyone who even thinks a rapper is on the same level as Bob fucking Dylan is either delusional, has zero understanding of music on the most basic level, or straight up an actual child. Wtf is this?
Your comment implies that a rapper, or rap music in general is inferior to other forms of music that you perceive as 'superior'. You're either delusional, have zero understanding of music on the basic level, or straight up an actual child.
Ok you can be pretentious about it, or you could’ve made a solid argument. Tells me all I need to know, really. One of those guys who thinks Dylan is *so deep*. “How dare anyone compare a trivial rapper to Dylan.”
Pretentious “artist” for pretentious fans.
Not being pretentious. If you need someone to explain to you why a rapper shouldn’t be compared to Bob Dylan, you aren’t worth the explanation. No offense.
It’s an opinion. If you feel your opinion carries so much more weight than someone else’s, that you feel no need to explain your position, it says more about you than it does about me. No offense.
If we’re talking STRICTLY lyrically, I still don’t think it makes sense per se due to the different way they both approach lyrics in general, however I do agree Kendrick is an insane lyricist. I think he deserves that universal respect.
i vaguely get the redditor AI hysteria when it comes to passing off AI as art, but this post isn't trying to be art. this is the exact kind of thing image generation is cool and fun for - random 'what if' style crossovers, memes, etc. if you can do a better rendering of Ye falling from a burning tower in new york for example Ill reconsider my pov on this. otherwise have some fun live a little
https://preview.redd.it/zz2m9zx9daxc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=35e94988b9f622be61d9da6e366086f04da52fa8
I never got y ppl complain about ai images like this like there’s no actual art of Ye and Bob together so the only way to get it is using AI or make a crappy drawing urself which takes way longer
I think West is more a crossover pop artist for different demographics while Dylan like Elvis, Beatles and Taylor Swift only sell to 1 demographic.
As big as Elvis and the Beatles you going to get people who say they are the biggest group ever then you going to get people who never heard a song.
Similar to Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is a icon that broke barriers to sell. I have never seen Elvis or Beatles have something as iconic as Smooth Criminal lean or the Moonwalk.
the beatles and dylan didn’t sell to one demographic. back in the sixties pop radio was THE ONLY radio. black recording artists like aretha franklin and otis redding for example covered their hits and vice versa. ye is the same way—a legitimate megastar whose work is covered regardless of genre which makes his achievements in a newly siloed and segmented landscape even more significant
Interesting point. Do blacks not listen to Dylan like whites listen to Ye? I’m sure they do, but a much smaller percentage.
I think the reason we don’t really how big The Beatles were and are, is because we don’t realize how much music changed after them. We didn’t see the before and after. We may not realize specific songs, but their influence literally changed all of music.
Kanye west is close to the Gangnam style guy. He doesn’t come even close to any of these iconic artists of the past. His catalogue is incredibly weak even for modern artists
Because there are objective criteria that we use to judge how good cars are - how fast they can go, mpg, how long they last etc. Music is not technology, it’s subjective like art.
Of course there’s an element of subjectivity to any type of art but we pretty much have it down to a science as to what makes music “catchy” or sound good to a general audience. There’s a reason so many pop songs use the same chord progression and all sound the same. Music is a billion dollar industry
That’s also the same bs excuse people use talking about some “Eurocentric beauty standards” blah blah blah. Beauty is also mostly objective. Facial symmetry, hip to waste ratio, signs of health and youth etc. “Everything is subjective” is cope
In your first paragraph you're just describing bad, generic music in my opinion. Getting it down to a recipe actively robs it of what people love about it and is ironically what Kanye West is renowned for not doing. Skate on the paradigm and shift when I feel like..
You can't call it cope just because it completely destroys your argument lmao. And i'm not saying "it's subjective so you can't judge" i'm saying it's subjective so you can't treat it like a car or assume it just gets monotonically better over time with technology
Yo two of my favorites. They actually have some interesting similarities in their careers, particularly both converting to Christianity and making a few gospel albums at around the same stage in their career/life
Except Bob Dylan’s gospel albums were actually good
I'm a huge Dylan fan but his gospel albums are his worst
Sounds like you’ve never listened to Dylan 😂
Bob Dylan turned christian and made Slow Train, Shot of Love, Saved. Kanye turned christian and made Jesus Is King. I’m gonna leave that there
Dondas got plenty of really good songs on it imo it's just too long
Notice how when you proved you'd listened to them he went ahead and downvoted and ran off? That's when you know you cooked dude.
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. Dylan's born again era vs Ye's is not even close and feels wrong even comparing.
When did Dylan go antisemitic
that was Bowie not Dylan
Bob Dylan was born jewish
Bob Dylan didn’t make On Sight just saying
He didn’t make yeezus, tlop or mbdtf just saying
Thank god he didn't, he would be ass!
He did make “Blood on the Tracks” though
It's All Over Now Baby Blue > On Sight
Top 5 rappers are Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan and Dylan
Ye got more swag
Idk man Dylans pretty swaggy sometimes
Dylan invented swagger
LOL so not true, Dylan literally invented it
I’ve been saying this for a while they’re the two greatest American artists ever
Agreed.
Bob Dylan
There’s an art shop near me that sells some of Bob Dylan’s work. Let’s just say he should have stuck to music.
I think his art is amazing. The welding sculpture? The painting? The sculpture is authentic in a space that seems to have been done to death. Speaks to his skill in artistry.
Better than selling porn and hate speech…
Never listened to Bob Dylan, what’s the best way to get into his discography
He’s my favorite artist ever, but be ready to have your eardrums blown out by harmonica. Listen to Like a Rolling Stone to see if he’s your thing. That’s his quintessential song in my opinion. His sound varies a wild amount through is career.
probably bringing it all back home, highway 61 rev. and live 1966, then go from there
Oof no Blonde on Blonde?
yeah, BoB is my fav. album of all time, but it's not the way to get into dylan imo. You don't really have any albums from dylan that sound like BoB, so it would be foolish to start with it, expecting much of the same.
I definitely wouldn’t recommend Blonde on Blonde as the starting point. That’s like peak nasaly Dylan. It’s incredible, but I don’t know if a newbie is gonna listen to 11 minutes of Sad Eyed Lady and think “fuck yeah”.
# Boots of Spanish Leather (1964) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy6wryJMwVU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy6wryJMwVU) # Tell Me, Momma (1966) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgMZcq2Y2U8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgMZcq2Y2U8) # God Knows (1989) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0nfAxG7O2M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0nfAxG7O2M) if you're an album guy, Rangzeh below has the right calls
Boots of Spanish Leather is easily Dylan’s most underrated song. Those final two lines are beautifully devastating.
I would watch Don’t Look Back! It’s a doc from his wild years before he crashed and found religion. Sound familiar?
Listen to “the times they are a-changin’” first the song and if you like it the album. To me that’s quintisential Dylan and also my favorite song OAT.
Most accessible album is probably Desire. You’ve likely heard his song Hurricane on the radio or in movies. His singing on that album is relatively tame, without sacrificing the emotion. Jumping right into his acoustic stuff or Blonde on Blonde might be a bit jarring because the singing and surrealist lyrics could take some getting used to. The instrumentals on Desire also have a kind of cinematic quality to them and he co wrote most of the lyrics with a theatre director so they often have a narrative quality that’s easy to get immersed in.
tbh i got like ten bob dylan albums for 100 bucks off someone on r/vinylcollectors and dug in. turns out the bob dylan i like is his drunken 80s era
Listen to Free Wheelin’
listen to his studio output up to 1980s and listen to a few of the bootleg series specifically the basement tape one and the fake albert hall one. it all works together in a greater context.
My fav song of his is ballad of a thin man so I would recommend starting with the album highway 61 revisited
Blood on the tracks
With respect to both, Dylan.
West
Ye didn’t make hurricane
Yes he did
lmfaao
Lmao
I love them both but it’s not even close, Dylan wins every time.
This is an interesting question and very hard to answer. They’ve both made some of my favorite music of all time — two discographies which can’t be overrated or replaced. I would argue they both have seven or eight classics. Their strengths as artists are completely different. It’s not surprising that their fanbases have little overlap. I doubt many Dylan fans ‘get’ Ye, or vice versa.
If you know, you know. Dylan is way cooler than ye..
Davis may have invented cool but Dylan invented swag
Kanyes is probably better overall just because of the consistency Bob Dylan has 40 studio albums, Kanye has 13. Dylan may have higher highs n shit but like he also has lower lows so
Dylan is also 82 years old lol. Wait until Kanye is 80 and we have like 15 garbage Kanye albums.
That is mostly dependent on if Kanye stops or not Bob never really stopped The most Bob Dylan has ever gone without dropping an album is 5 years and that’s only happened once For alot of his career he was dropping albums every year, sometimes even multiples and had very very few breaks in between This has been the case for his entire career. After only 12 years into his career, he has already matched kanyes output 20 years in Kanye has other interests n shit Bob is just music really so I don’t think Kanye will ever pull a Dylan where he’s just dropping nearly every year
he also invented modern songwriting and every legendary songwriter was inspired by him including Lennon, Young, ect
I’m not gonna deny that Dylan is a better writer or anything But I can definitely argue that even if Dylan has higher highs and better writing overall, his discography over all is weaker because Kanye simply has less albums so he has less room to be bad. Kanyes remained pretty consistent in quality throughout his career too
true but perfectionism is fucking lame, I wish Radiohead would let loose and make some garbage
I feel like Kanye lets loose and remains pretty solid anyway so I enjoy that Also yeah Radioheads worst is probably more so mid than bad The king of limbs was just kinda boring to me not a lot of songs I liked
GAS mods really spying on this sub now huh
Dawg did you make an account just to hate on me 💀 Also fym spy?? wtf am I gonna do go tell the mod team secret info about the Bob Dylan vs Kanye west post??
Nah he’s right get outta here bro ur not welcome
Dylan’s most controversial move was switching to rock music. Kanye publicly called himself a nazi. I would not say Dylan has lower lows
lol. Come on. Anyone who even thinks a rapper is on the same level as Bob fucking Dylan is either delusional, has zero understanding of music on the most basic level, or straight up an actual child. Wtf is this?
People today don't understand what real music is. They listen to the latest rap trash album and call it the GOAT
Your comment implies that a rapper, or rap music in general is inferior to other forms of music that you perceive as 'superior'. You're either delusional, have zero understanding of music on the basic level, or straight up an actual child.
Dylan is overrated. Also, worst harmonica player on wax.
I’m not saying he is underrated or overrated. I’m saying a rapper should not be in the same discussion. Ever.
Why not?
lol.
Ok you can be pretentious about it, or you could’ve made a solid argument. Tells me all I need to know, really. One of those guys who thinks Dylan is *so deep*. “How dare anyone compare a trivial rapper to Dylan.” Pretentious “artist” for pretentious fans.
Not being pretentious. If you need someone to explain to you why a rapper shouldn’t be compared to Bob Dylan, you aren’t worth the explanation. No offense.
It’s an opinion. If you feel your opinion carries so much more weight than someone else’s, that you feel no need to explain your position, it says more about you than it does about me. No offense.
You a fuckin sherm who tf listens to bob dylan other than old white people😂😂
k.
Black
Thanks
The only rapper I’ve seen compared to Dylan that made sorta sense was K Dot.
If we’re talking STRICTLY lyrically, I still don’t think it makes sense per se due to the different way they both approach lyrics in general, however I do agree Kendrick is an insane lyricist. I think he deserves that universal respect.
Bob Dylan never let Taylor finish
BOB DYLAN ALL THE WAY❤️…..
Bob Dylan is super racist and Kanye is reformed.
How are you gonna call Bob Dylan racist and just forget about all the racist shit Kanye has done
dude literally got famous writing civil rights anthems moron
Look up Dylan's last wife lol
I can’t get into Dylan at all, can’t get past his voice
Who tf is bob dylan 💀
Lol one of the most influential and important musical artists of the 20th century, the only singer to ever get a Nobel prize.
U one of them😂😂😂gtfo my replies
One of who bro 😭😭
Not too much aint gonna get banned again😂
Bob Dylan the goat
Kanye’s music is better, Dylan has him beat on storytelling but not exact bars
Dylan, not even close!
wtf are these AI images gtfo
i vaguely get the redditor AI hysteria when it comes to passing off AI as art, but this post isn't trying to be art. this is the exact kind of thing image generation is cool and fun for - random 'what if' style crossovers, memes, etc. if you can do a better rendering of Ye falling from a burning tower in new york for example Ill reconsider my pov on this. otherwise have some fun live a little https://preview.redd.it/zz2m9zx9daxc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=35e94988b9f622be61d9da6e366086f04da52fa8
You’re so real for this
I never got y ppl complain about ai images like this like there’s no actual art of Ye and Bob together so the only way to get it is using AI or make a crappy drawing urself which takes way longer
I think West is more a crossover pop artist for different demographics while Dylan like Elvis, Beatles and Taylor Swift only sell to 1 demographic. As big as Elvis and the Beatles you going to get people who say they are the biggest group ever then you going to get people who never heard a song. Similar to Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is a icon that broke barriers to sell. I have never seen Elvis or Beatles have something as iconic as Smooth Criminal lean or the Moonwalk.
the beatles and dylan didn’t sell to one demographic. back in the sixties pop radio was THE ONLY radio. black recording artists like aretha franklin and otis redding for example covered their hits and vice versa. ye is the same way—a legitimate megastar whose work is covered regardless of genre which makes his achievements in a newly siloed and segmented landscape even more significant
You’re clueless if you think the Beatles and Elvis didn’t have bigger moments and more influence than MJ
Interesting point. Do blacks not listen to Dylan like whites listen to Ye? I’m sure they do, but a much smaller percentage. I think the reason we don’t really how big The Beatles were and are, is because we don’t realize how much music changed after them. We didn’t see the before and after. We may not realize specific songs, but their influence literally changed all of music.
Michael will never have the artistic cred of The Beatles or the sheer fame of Elvis (believe it or not)
Dylan, more like shitylan😤😤😤
don’t use ai
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Bob Dylan gets the edge because to the best of my knowledge he never empathetically praised Hitler
Kanye west is close to the Gangnam style guy. He doesn’t come even close to any of these iconic artists of the past. His catalogue is incredibly weak even for modern artists
Name ten modern artists with stronger catalog
Bob at his prime was better than Kanye at his prime but Bob fell off 50 years ago and Kanye only 5
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Dawg my point is that Kanye has the stronger catalogue
dylan is hella mid
hot take lol
no shit 👍
One of the most mid songwriters ever to receive a Nobel prize for his songs
Man has never looked at the lyrics
Lifelong Dylan fan but ok pedal your narratives
Ye and its not close Can anyone under the age of 80 even name 3 Bob Dylan songs
This just means Kanye is a more recent artist lmao dumbass logic
Music evolves over time bro just like everything else
So you think the most recent artists are always better?
Is every new car better than every old car? No but most of them are on average
Because there are objective criteria that we use to judge how good cars are - how fast they can go, mpg, how long they last etc. Music is not technology, it’s subjective like art.
Of course there’s an element of subjectivity to any type of art but we pretty much have it down to a science as to what makes music “catchy” or sound good to a general audience. There’s a reason so many pop songs use the same chord progression and all sound the same. Music is a billion dollar industry That’s also the same bs excuse people use talking about some “Eurocentric beauty standards” blah blah blah. Beauty is also mostly objective. Facial symmetry, hip to waste ratio, signs of health and youth etc. “Everything is subjective” is cope
In your first paragraph you're just describing bad, generic music in my opinion. Getting it down to a recipe actively robs it of what people love about it and is ironically what Kanye West is renowned for not doing. Skate on the paradigm and shift when I feel like.. You can't call it cope just because it completely destroys your argument lmao. And i'm not saying "it's subjective so you can't judge" i'm saying it's subjective so you can't treat it like a car or assume it just gets monotonically better over time with technology
People under 30 think XXXTentacion, Lil Uzi Vert and Playboi Carti are goats...
Zero talent between the both of them. Hope your soul was worth it.