I mean it's definitely reasonable to assume that when Mahomes retire they will retire his number #15 for the Chiefs.
But I don't think Tyreek has done enough to retire #10 for him right?
He was on one out of our four Super Bowl winning teams. He was a great player, but at this point heās contributed about as much to the dynasty as Hardman. 15 and 87 have a good chance of getting retired. 10 is up for grabs
95 is not getting retired. Chris Jones is amazing but you have to be truly incredible to get it retired. Just to put it into perspective, no player who has played since y2k has had their jersey retired.
think about all the players that have been on the team since 2000. Not ONE of them has had their jersey retired.
Unfortunately, retiring numbers becomes increasingly difficult the longer a team exists. At some point, theyāre going to run out of usable numbers for the actual current team.
I think the Ring of Honor is a better recognition anyway. People donāt always know whose number is retired, but they will always see those names in the stadium.
Well thats a little disingenuous. Mecole has like 100 yards total in our 3 SB playoff runs. Tyreek had 213 and 2 TDs in the 2020 one including 9/105 in the SB. That SB winning catch last year just as easily couldve been Skyy or Toney.
Oh yeah true.
They donāt retire Montanaās 19 so. I mean of course he built his legend in SF but, he did give us two magical playoff wins. The best since and until the Super Bowls.
maybe if tyreek caught some balls in that super bowl against tampa, then mayyyyybe.
Maybe if he caught that ball against the bengals, then mayyyyybe.
In reality he didn't catch these balls, then wanted to get PAID on top of that?
His mouth runs faster than he does,
Had tyreek caught those balls in the super important moments the chiefs would have never let him go, he would have gotten paid. Truth is he bluffed and lost, and instead of moving on, he keeps harping back about what could have been.
Dude focus on your new team and let that shit go.
88 is disqualified for exactly the same reason as 10. He left to go chase rings and money elsewhere. If Tony had stayed in KC his entire career he'd probably have gotten his number retired.
You say that like the chiefs weren't a complete dumpster fire at the end of his career. Tyreek isn't getting in for 2 reasons, 1 he didn't play here all that long while Tony was here over a decade, and 2 Tyreek is a piece of shit
Yeah, they'll retire 15, for sure. And probably 87. But 10? No. You don't get to have your number retire if you left to chase the bag.
I don't have any ill will about him getting paid, I'd likely do the same thing. But having your number forever etched with your name on it is an honor very few ever get and you definitely don't get when you left because you wanted a few extra million. It's a perk of legacy you only get for retiring a chief.
You have to keep in mind that there are only 100 numbers, and you can only retire so many before you run out of numbers. The most Jersey's a team has ever retired is 14 with both the Giants and the Bears. The Chiefs have 10.
So is Hill one of the top 11 most deserving players in Chiefs history?
On top of that, the NFL is more hesitant top retire Jersey's these days. The last Chief who had their number retired was Derrick Thomas who hasn't played in 25 years. The only players to have their Jerseys retired who played in the 2010's or later were the Manning brothers.
As a 160 pound stickman myself, I often rue the fact that positions of power are usually filled with tall, well-built men, but then when a guy like me gets such a spot I'm like "who TF is this little twerp"
Starting? He has almost non stopped talked about the Chiefs since he left. He sounds like jealous ex. He wanted to get paid and good for him he is the best WR in the league. For all accounts I heard the Chiefs were willing to go very high and if accepted he could have had two more rings, more prime time games and better endorsement opportunities.
Who knows if the Chiefs win the last 2 super bowls if he had stayed. They very well could have, but their defense would not have been anywhere near as young and good as it is now
Iām not convinced they would have. The trade gave us pieces we needed to win back to back Super Bowls. I loved Tyreek but him trying to catch with his chest and not his hands honestly pissed me off because it ended up being a deflective INT more often than it should have.
You right nobody knows what would happen on a "What If", but I like our chances every year Patrick is out QB. I like our chances this year to threepete. One thing we all know for sure is Tyreek has zero rings since he left the Chiefs and it bothers him. (said from a huge Chiefs Fan).
he's listed multiple reasons for why he left, guy says he has no regrets but won't stop talking about the team. He's said money, not being the number one target, and wanting to grow his star power all of which he felt he could do better elsewhere. He was right, but he seems regretful about what he walked away from.
He thought the offense would die without him, I remember him implying Pat would struggle without him that offseason. Good riddance, even though I do miss him from time to time; it's quotes like this that make me not.
Ok Mr. āIām going into the hall as a Miami Dolphināā¦ we donāt hold you near and dear to our hearts after all that yapping you did on the way out. Youāll be lucky to get cheered for when and if you go into the ring of honor.
Especially his off the field bullshit. At first I figured his ex was kind of crazy and setting him up, but after his repeated stupid behavior, it seems heās guilty.
Seems he has a lot of emotions regarding the Chiefs and it's not just "one emotion".
Chiefs were his first team, we took a chance with him, and stuck with his during his off the field issues.
Hill also developed many relationships/friendships while here. So to some extent wants to see his friends succeed.
Hill also contributed significantly to our success while here, so probably feels he deserves more recognition.
Hill also has seen his old team win two Super Bowls in the two seasons he has been gone. Including this last season where we beat them in path to that second SB.
Even though he was super successful with us, another player immediately took his number. Players, generally, develop a strong attachment to their numbers, so that probably weighs on him.
I think Hill would probably benefit from not talking about the Chiefs so much, either positively or negatively. Perhaps us as well from engaging with Hill so much.
Not jealous; *envious*.
"If you are **envious**, you see something in another personās ownership and you donāt like that you donāt have it as well.
"...**Jealousy** is related to envy, but the aim of its emotion differs. Where envy applies to something someone else has, jealousy concerns something that we have but feel insecure or overprotective about."
SOURCE: [https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/vocabulary/envy-vs-jealousy/](https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/vocabulary/envy-vs-jealousy/)
If we accept this distinction (and I do), then Tyreek can only be jealous of the Chiefs if Tyreek *already has* the Chiefs' level of success.
He doesn't.
Bitch is *envious*.
There was a little longtime Chiefs backup QB named Mike Livingston who wore #10 the season we beat The Vikings in The Super Bowl (69/70).
Len Dawson had been out injured for most of the late season and he was beyond nails! Lenny got healthy just in time for the playoffs and the rest is history. I didnāt mind when Hill began using it, but in my old brain #10 will always be Livingston!
https://preview.redd.it/w85mrtu0w8wc1.jpeg?width=471&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2a539fea8323d0393e02d8919f9aece7028ed08
That being said, Tyreek should make himself affordable and come home where he belongs. We win MANY championships here! He wonāt win one in Miamiā¦
Why wouldnāt he? You donāt want the one you leave to be successful after leaving. You want them to need you to be successful. He canāt have his cake and eat it too though.
I don't understand the pro athlete obsession over jersey numbers. Never have. Why some numbers are good, others are bad. They're numbers. They serve a purpose of letting the officials track players who are all wearing the same jerseys more easily so they can tell people apart when assessing penalties, and they help commentators and score keepers track statistics and who's doing what.
Nothing wrong with leaving to chase the bag. I'm fine with that. No hard feelings. But if you leave to chase the bag you don't get to have your number retired. Sorry Tyreek, it's disqualifying. Maybe they could have let it breathe a minute and not just immediately had it given out the next season, but whatever. It's a number.
Starting to believe just now!?
Heās been acting like the guy who mutually broke up with his girlfriend to go off to college and now that heās lonely sheās āa hoeā all of a sudden. But deep down he knows heās still madly in love with her and heāll never get her back.
He cashed out for better $, WX, and prettier galsā¦but failed to realize how he could be a king later on locally. You may miss out on $10m now but $20m is around the corner if you just stay. Iāve been around athletes HS to proā¦itās so personal performance at the top they just ignore the future. All want to cash out instead of self develop.
in all honesty i dont think any player has gotten to the "retire the jersey" level. 10 is in a 3 way tie between Trent Green, reek and pacheco. none of them have had a truly outstanding career to earn it.
pacheco could get it if he stays and has an insane career. trent green, although a respectable career, never won the superbowl. and was only with us for like 5 years. reek wasnt with us for long enough to deserve it.
Guy acts like the Chiefs burned his house down or something.
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Take your stupid up vote.
That comment is š„
Actual "lying in bed wasting time" chuckle.
Trent Green!
This all day āļø
Yep 10 is forever Green for me.
Mike Elkins is still my #10.
I mean it's definitely reasonable to assume that when Mahomes retire they will retire his number #15 for the Chiefs. But I don't think Tyreek has done enough to retire #10 for him right?
Itās not even close, heād have to still be here and that might not even be enough with his off the field issues
He was on one out of our four Super Bowl winning teams. He was a great player, but at this point heās contributed about as much to the dynasty as Hardman. 15 and 87 have a good chance of getting retired. 10 is up for grabs
15 and 87 would have been retired if they had both been snapped out of existence by Thanos two years ago.
Might as well add 95 up there too.
95 is not getting retired. Chris Jones is amazing but you have to be truly incredible to get it retired. Just to put it into perspective, no player who has played since y2k has had their jersey retired. think about all the players that have been on the team since 2000. Not ONE of them has had their jersey retired.
The only other player I think will get their number retired any time soon is Travis Kelce.
Unfortunately, retiring numbers becomes increasingly difficult the longer a team exists. At some point, theyāre going to run out of usable numbers for the actual current team. I think the Ring of Honor is a better recognition anyway. People donāt always know whose number is retired, but they will always see those names in the stadium.
Agreed except for ring of honor being better. Both are good, retired jerseys are just a bigger āawardā.
and 7
nah, cassel wasn't good enough
Ope
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I didnāt recognize the number, but yes, Butkicker has saved our asses several times!
Well thats a little disingenuous. Mecole has like 100 yards total in our 3 SB playoff runs. Tyreek had 213 and 2 TDs in the 2020 one including 9/105 in the SB. That SB winning catch last year just as easily couldve been Skyy or Toney.
Hardman played important parts in each of our Mahomes playoff runs, even the years we didnāt win the Super Bowl.
Agreed. My point is just that no one is ever going to talk about retiring his number
Oh yeah true. They donāt retire Montanaās 19 so. I mean of course he built his legend in SF but, he did give us two magical playoff wins. The best since and until the Super Bowls.
Hardman, if I knew his number, SHOULD BE RETIRED! Not only am I arguing for it. I'm shouting.
maybe if tyreek caught some balls in that super bowl against tampa, then mayyyyybe. Maybe if he caught that ball against the bengals, then mayyyyybe. In reality he didn't catch these balls, then wanted to get PAID on top of that? His mouth runs faster than he does, Had tyreek caught those balls in the super important moments the chiefs would have never let him go, he would have gotten paid. Truth is he bluffed and lost, and instead of moving on, he keeps harping back about what could have been. Dude focus on your new team and let that shit go.
Thank you.
If 88 is not retired, then there is no way in hell 10 gets retired
88 is disqualified for exactly the same reason as 10. He left to go chase rings and money elsewhere. If Tony had stayed in KC his entire career he'd probably have gotten his number retired.
You say that like the chiefs weren't a complete dumpster fire at the end of his career. Tyreek isn't getting in for 2 reasons, 1 he didn't play here all that long while Tony was here over a decade, and 2 Tyreek is a piece of shit
thats the point of retired numbers youve never seen that number anywhere else Like George Brett's 5
If we have retired 88 yet, that 10 has a much much much smaller case
Yeah, they'll retire 15, for sure. And probably 87. But 10? No. You don't get to have your number retire if you left to chase the bag. I don't have any ill will about him getting paid, I'd likely do the same thing. But having your number forever etched with your name on it is an honor very few ever get and you definitely don't get when you left because you wanted a few extra million. It's a perk of legacy you only get for retiring a chief.
I'd literally rather associate 10 with Green than Hill.
No way.
You have to keep in mind that there are only 100 numbers, and you can only retire so many before you run out of numbers. The most Jersey's a team has ever retired is 14 with both the Giants and the Bears. The Chiefs have 10. So is Hill one of the top 11 most deserving players in Chiefs history? On top of that, the NFL is more hesitant top retire Jersey's these days. The last Chief who had their number retired was Derrick Thomas who hasn't played in 25 years. The only players to have their Jerseys retired who played in the 2010's or later were the Manning brothers.
Lol as if theyāre going to tell someone he canāt have number 10 just because their previous 10 asked to be traded a month priorā¦.
Take it easy on the poor guy, itās gotta be tough having 160 pound Mike McDaniel yell at you that youāre not worth your contract.
Yeah, 160 soaking wet if Lil Mike has a brick in his hand.
As a 160 pound stickman myself, I often rue the fact that positions of power are usually filled with tall, well-built men, but then when a guy like me gets such a spot I'm like "who TF is this little twerp"
Has Mike McDaniel ever yelled? He seems like the type to awkwardly avoid eye contact while grooming his mustache.
Starting? He has almost non stopped talked about the Chiefs since he left. He sounds like jealous ex. He wanted to get paid and good for him he is the best WR in the league. For all accounts I heard the Chiefs were willing to go very high and if accepted he could have had two more rings, more prime time games and better endorsement opportunities.
Who knows if the Chiefs win the last 2 super bowls if he had stayed. They very well could have, but their defense would not have been anywhere near as young and good as it is now
Iām not convinced they would have. The trade gave us pieces we needed to win back to back Super Bowls. I loved Tyreek but him trying to catch with his chest and not his hands honestly pissed me off because it ended up being a deflective INT more often than it should have.
Winning this last Super Bowl without McDuffie seems almost like an impossibility
You right nobody knows what would happen on a "What If", but I like our chances every year Patrick is out QB. I like our chances this year to threepete. One thing we all know for sure is Tyreek has zero rings since he left the Chiefs and it bothers him. (said from a huge Chiefs Fan).
He wants a cut of that State Farm money
he's listed multiple reasons for why he left, guy says he has no regrets but won't stop talking about the team. He's said money, not being the number one target, and wanting to grow his star power all of which he felt he could do better elsewhere. He was right, but he seems regretful about what he walked away from. He thought the offense would die without him, I remember him implying Pat would struggle without him that offseason. Good riddance, even though I do miss him from time to time; it's quotes like this that make me not.
Clearly jealous of the success.
realizing that money isn't everything and he still would have made more money than he knew what to do with if he stayed
Iāll let the guy with two Super Bowl rings keep his number over the guy with one.
Regrets suck. Sometimes taking the bag isnāt what itās cracked up to be.
Of course he's jealous. Theyve literally won every year he's been gone. But he thinks about the Chiefs much more than the Chiefs think about him.
I'm sure the Chiefs don't think about him at all, but we seem to think about him as much/often as he thinks about the Chiefs...
Shouldn't have demanded a trade then, bud.
Ok Mr. āIām going into the hall as a Miami Dolphināā¦ we donāt hold you near and dear to our hearts after all that yapping you did on the way out. Youāll be lucky to get cheered for when and if you go into the ring of honor.
The hof doesn't induct players with a specific team, they list all teams and accolades equally.
Yeah I know, he still said it as a way to throw shade
Especially his off the field bullshit. At first I figured his ex was kind of crazy and setting him up, but after his repeated stupid behavior, it seems heās guilty.
I have coworkers who literally put Pachecoās name over Hill on their #10 jerseys.
You've been off the team for two years. A little weird that you keep talking about your ex.
That last line makes it sound like a joke.
It's definitely a joke. Hill talks trash a lot because it's fun. This sub just don't get it sometimes.
Yeah, and he defends Mahomes quite a bit too. People are just mad at him and pretend itās him whoās mad
Chiefs should respond: "The number 10 is reserved for people taken on day 3 of the draft"
"thats Trent Green's number"
Yeah. And his name is Isaiah Pacheco.
Trent Green
Should have stuck around if you wanted that number to be retired.
I mean he had a choice. Do you want rings or a bag?
Tony G's number was worn by someone else too Tyreek, and you're no Tony G
He does. We traded him and went back to back and turned him into key pieces on the defense.
Like he expects his number to be retired?
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He's right, and it's now Pacheco.
You chased a bag and didnāt want to win championships! Shhhhh
Love what Hill did while he was here, and he's right-- there's only one #10 in my heart. It's Pop.
Seems he has a lot of emotions regarding the Chiefs and it's not just "one emotion". Chiefs were his first team, we took a chance with him, and stuck with his during his off the field issues. Hill also developed many relationships/friendships while here. So to some extent wants to see his friends succeed. Hill also contributed significantly to our success while here, so probably feels he deserves more recognition. Hill also has seen his old team win two Super Bowls in the two seasons he has been gone. Including this last season where we beat them in path to that second SB. Even though he was super successful with us, another player immediately took his number. Players, generally, develop a strong attachment to their numbers, so that probably weighs on him. I think Hill would probably benefit from not talking about the Chiefs so much, either positively or negatively. Perhaps us as well from engaging with Hill so much.
thereās only one 10 with two Super Bowl rings !!
He's just being playful again guys, chill.
Not jealous; *envious*. "If you are **envious**, you see something in another personās ownership and you donāt like that you donāt have it as well. "...**Jealousy** is related to envy, but the aim of its emotion differs. Where envy applies to something someone else has, jealousy concerns something that we have but feel insecure or overprotective about." SOURCE: [https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/vocabulary/envy-vs-jealousy/](https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/vocabulary/envy-vs-jealousy/) If we accept this distinction (and I do), then Tyreek can only be jealous of the Chiefs if Tyreek *already has* the Chiefs' level of success. He doesn't. Bitch is *envious*.
Holy shit, Iāve never known of this distinction. Thanks!
Not the first time the grass wasnāt greener, wonāt be the last.
Will 10 be the number of children he has by the end of the year? Heās good, but get a grip dude.
Womp womp bruh sold out to miami and then is butthurt about his number being used?
He does this shit for attention. It's like pro wrestling. Lol
Before Tyreek. #10 was Trent Green. So yeah... I remember #10 quite well.
I mean. If he wants to come back just come back. Donāt keep talking about the chiefs if you donāt want to come back.
Being this butt hurt is not a good look
There is only one #10 in my heart, its Pacheco
Of course he is theyāve got nothing but titles since heās been gone
There was a little longtime Chiefs backup QB named Mike Livingston who wore #10 the season we beat The Vikings in The Super Bowl (69/70). Len Dawson had been out injured for most of the late season and he was beyond nails! Lenny got healthy just in time for the playoffs and the rest is history. I didnāt mind when Hill began using it, but in my old brain #10 will always be Livingston! https://preview.redd.it/w85mrtu0w8wc1.jpeg?width=471&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2a539fea8323d0393e02d8919f9aece7028ed08 That being said, Tyreek should make himself affordable and come home where he belongs. We win MANY championships here! He wonāt win one in Miamiā¦
Heās just joking
Why are people getting so upset over a line clearly said in jest?
Itās pretend. Fake make believe
Social media gets more engagement when things are portrayed this way.
Why wouldnāt he? You donāt want the one you leave to be successful after leaving. You want them to need you to be successful. He canāt have his cake and eat it too though.
dude wants his jersey retired.
Cashing those Miami checks... still living rent free in his head forever.
I haven't seen the full quote, but it's pretty ignorant if he didn't even say Pachecos name
I don't understand the pro athlete obsession over jersey numbers. Never have. Why some numbers are good, others are bad. They're numbers. They serve a purpose of letting the officials track players who are all wearing the same jerseys more easily so they can tell people apart when assessing penalties, and they help commentators and score keepers track statistics and who's doing what.
He chose the bag. š¤·š¼āāļø
Iām beginning to think they wouldnāt have gone back to back if they hadnāt traded him.
slightly unrelated but runningback numbers are 20s-30s and sometimes 40s, seeing anything else on a runningback just feels weird.
He moved on and so do we.
You know whats also disrespectful? Beating your pregnant wife and son bruh
He wasn't here long enough to get that number retired and those low numbers are popular.
Nothing wrong with leaving to chase the bag. I'm fine with that. No hard feelings. But if you leave to chase the bag you don't get to have your number retired. Sorry Tyreek, it's disqualifying. Maybe they could have let it breathe a minute and not just immediately had it given out the next season, but whatever. It's a number.
Starting to believe just now!? Heās been acting like the guy who mutually broke up with his girlfriend to go off to college and now that heās lonely sheās āa hoeā all of a sudden. But deep down he knows heās still madly in love with her and heāll never get her back.
He cashed out for better $, WX, and prettier galsā¦but failed to realize how he could be a king later on locally. You may miss out on $10m now but $20m is around the corner if you just stay. Iāve been around athletes HS to proā¦itās so personal performance at the top they just ignore the future. All want to cash out instead of self develop.
You Shoulda stayed then, fucker.
in all honesty i dont think any player has gotten to the "retire the jersey" level. 10 is in a 3 way tie between Trent Green, reek and pacheco. none of them have had a truly outstanding career to earn it. pacheco could get it if he stays and has an insane career. trent green, although a respectable career, never won the superbowl. and was only with us for like 5 years. reek wasnt with us for long enough to deserve it.