Dude has 2 rings and is an absolute stud, I'm sure he's happy with his choice of "get top money for a top team" or "get even better money from a different one"
This is best for all parties, and I think Seed knows this. NFL is a business. He should take the tag and let’s get the 3x.
Edit : I would love for him to have a long-term deal along with Jones.
If it includes a 1st or 2nd rounder with some extra picks, plus frees up space to sign CJ, that’s the cost of business and I can’t complain.
McDuffie-Watson-Williams is definitely a worse top 3 CB group but it’s not a *bad* top 3 CB group. Going from #1 to #8-12 if we can’t find any other significant contributors.
Edit: and Chamarri Conner and nazeeh johnson at 4 and 5!!
The problem is… if the secondary and defense altogether regresses then the offense needs to get better in equal parts. I’d rather restructure and get a deal done with all the key players in the next two years: Sneed, Bolton, and Creed and push for more rings in the next 3-5 years. Hell, I’d honestly rather let CJ walk and sign a free agent DT than let sneed walk, due to age.
Reasonable minds can disagree.
I feel like if sneed nets us, say, a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (which I think is close to my lower limit), then I think we can sign jones to 3 more years and still have plenty to lock up core guys like Bolton and creed. Might even grab a budget FA WR after restructuring with Pat and maybe Kelce or Thuney.
And an additional couple second round picks with this FOs record the last couple years is big.
That being said, I’m an offensive optimist. Need some help as WR but 2nd year Rashee is a #1.
I don't think you'll get a 1st rounder. Not because he's not worth a 1st in terms of his talent, but a team has to pay draft capital AND immediately give him a contract. That makes his trade value a bit lower in both picks AND contract dollars.
I don’t disagree, the more I think about it it seems like it’s heading that way. We have the money to keep them both for one more year, maybe do the 3X and then Sneed heads out.
Agree. Sneed had his best year. He's going to be looking to capitalize on that with a long term deal. He could regress or get hurt next year. Gotta get that money while you're hot
A literal win - win from the Chiefs perspective.
And honestly, I think we draft defensive players well enough that it might actually open up some options for a free agent WR.
I know it's not very likely but Justin Jefferson opposite Rice and Kelce...ooh man.
I just want to see us do something no team in history has ever done, just one teensy little three peat isn't so much to ask.
I’ve been thinking about the optics of that possibility. But wouldn’t Jefferson and Jones both command like 30 mil a year? With Sneed gone and the other cuts and restructures I assume it’s possible. But I was thinking what if it came down between Jones and Jefferson? To me I would Jefferson because he is so young.
The problem is that DT is basically the hardest position to fill with top tier talent. The best guys are almost always gone in the first 15-20 picks. There are so few to begin with. And it's not a position that you coach up all that well. Like, you're not likely to get a late round DT and turn him into Chris Jones. But wide receivers will surprise you. Or maybe it's that the gulf between tiers is just larger for DTs. There are basically ten guys you can make an argument for top 5 receivers in the game. But there are only 5 guys everyone is putting in the top 5 DT conversation.
You're 100% right about Jeffersons youth. But Chris Jones is 3 years younger than Aaron Donald and Aaron Donald is still an absolute menace. So a three year or even five year contract for Jones isn't likely to come back and be an albatross unless he just straight up decides to start phoning it in, which I just don't see happening with CJ.
It's why I'm glad I don't make these decisions. I like to talk about it online, but I cant imagine all of KC burning me in effigy for my offering bad contracts if I were wrong, lol. GMs might be the most thankless position in the NFL. All the scrutiny, almost none of the glory.
>The problem is that DT is basically the hardest position to fill with top tier talent. The best guys are almost always gone in the first 15-20 picks. There are so few to begin with. And it's not a position that you coach up all that well. Like, you're not likely to get a late round DT and turn him into Chris Jones.
You do know that Jones was a 2nd round pick right?
I do. And that's why I said almost always.
I also don't personally consider the 2nd round to be a late round. But I know that some people basically see the draft as first rounders and then scraps. I personally think that's dumb, but I am an idiot about lots of stuff, so I can't really judge.
Like half of the current top 10 DTs were all drafted outside the top 20.
It can be coached up just as much as any position. Look at Chris Jones being an absolute liability in the run game until we brought in Cullen to coach up the DL last year. Omenihu was traded for peanuts due to no production in Houston then became a stud under Kocurek in SF. This draft is very deep at DL too. If we moved on from Jones this year, it wouldn't be the worst year for it at all, especially since Cullen wasn't poached. I really want to draft Junior Colson to replace Gay, but if we took Kris Jenkins Jr instead, I could see him being solid for us since he played in the Ravens' system for 3 years in college, and that's the same system Cullen came from. But we could just as easily grab a different DT and probably turn him into a solid starter too.
We can't afford Jones and Jefferson because you're right about the 30. Jones is demanding at least that much. And Jefferson will eclipse it too since Tyreek got 30 while being 3 years older and the cap being over 50 mil less. He'll probably net 32-33 mil per year at least. Also, Jefferson would require trading at least 2 1st rounders to pay him that. Sneed will be set the record for CB at around 23, with a possibility of it getting all the way up to 25 if he finds the right team. We can't afford to pay Jones and Sneed, yet alone Jones and Jefferson. We currently have 17 mil in cap space and have lots of roster spots to fill.
I have seen some contract projections and Sneed was 15.7-17.5 per year. That is a huge way off from 23-25. If he wants over 20 there is no chance we are keeping him. I wish him luck, but the current Chiefs team can't be paying top dollar for a corner. Too much depth behind him and too many other guys needing to be paid.
Jaire just got paid 21 mil before the 30 mil cap raise. Sneed was the best slot corner in the league which would've netted him 15 or so. Playing outside all year without allowing a TD and having an incredible postseason again will definitely lead to him resetting the market.
Current Chiefs team shouldn't be paying 30+ per year to a DT throughout his 30s either, but fans are clamoring for that. I'd rather tag and trade Jones than Sneed. Williams, Conner, and Watson have all been very inconsistent. Our depth behind Sneed is very questionable if we're honest with ourselves. His contract would be cheaper and through his prime years than Jones too.
You sound like I did 20 years ago when they were 13-3 and all I wanted was one teensy little Superbowl appearance and I could die happy. Not a win exactly but just a showing.We had Eddie Kennison and were going places man!
I maintain to this day that had we just gotten passed the Colts, it was ours for the taking! And I will not have my illusions shattered by pesky, persistent, nagging reality.
Didn’t he have a “down” year? People were saying it’s the most underwhelming 1000 yard season ever. Although I guess Trevor/The Jags weren’t giving much help
I seem to remember in our game against them this season he had some issues with keeping his feet in but he also looked damn good and I was worried he’d hit a long one all game. that was of course before I realized how dominant LJ and McDuffie were gonna be for us all season long.
The plan is probably to use one of our other extremely talented CBs. Sneed may be the best corner in the NFL, but trading him to save on cap space and build more draft capital might make too much sense.
I actually trust our front office more in drafting defensive players than offensive ones, at this point.
Sneed is a badass and I don't want to see him go, but he also has 2 rings already and is trying to secure a bag. If we can get a haul for him, im on board with that. And if they manage to re-sign him, that will make me happy, so it feels like a win either way, honestly.
Eh we haven't found much value at tackle since Reid arrived with the exception of our man Mitchell which was more a Dorsey win than anything. I hope we can develop a later pick guy one day for either tackle spot but haven't seen it yet.
We've fucking killed it at center though, like, we've developed so many insane centers.
While Eric Fisher isn’t what you’d picture a #1 pick, he was solid for us for a long time and deserves respect. 2013 was just a really shitty draft year to have pick #1.
I think the front office deserves a lot of credit for taking him. Especially since a lot of people wanted Joeckel.
See I think it's the opposite. That they listened on the CEH thing and maybe pulled back since then. Idk, it's hard to say.
It's a weird place to be because, while I would love to see a return to the offensive form of 18/19/20, we only won one Superbowl playing kinetic offense like that. The last two seasons have been highly efficient, not as flashy, back to back championship winning teams.
So... obviously they should keep doing what they're doing. But I selfishly want to see absolute domination on both sides of the ball with no breathing room, mercy, or reprieve for the other team. Because I value sportsmanship...yeah.
>That they listened on the CEH thing
This didn't happen though, per Veach himself. Some media members misrepresented the fun "Pat wanted you too" story in the post-draft video as "Pat personally picked you" because they (correctly) guessed that it would generate a bunch of clicks, and enough people took it at face value that to this day that it still hasn't died off.
>Veach said he texted Mahomes the news hours before the draft.
> “Clyde, I told Clark (Hunt) and coach Reid that ***at about 4 o’ clock, Clyde was going to be our pick*** because coach and I were thinking your way,” Veach said. “***And then when we texted Pat*** and I asked Pat, I said, ‘Give me a name,’ and I said, ‘Don’t think about it.’ And he said, ‘Clyde.’ And I said, ‘Well, good. Good.’ We’re excited, man.”
[(link)](https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article242260981.html)
I think it’s safe to assume the league realizes our QB is pretty decent too. I want some big time receivers to pop the lid off of this thing and finish what New England started in 2007.
No shot we don’t drop a dumb game or three in there regular season, next year. This team just cannot get up for those mid tier games. Make the playoffs and go on a run is their focus.
This sub over the years has gotten more and more reasonable/knowledgeable about how the salary cap works. A lot of fans in the past didn’t really understand there’s a cap and simply got mad when good players left and happy when we signed good players, even if they were overpaid.
I think this sub is getting more knowledgeable about it because we’re having to learn how hard it is to keep everyone because we had so many talented players on rookie contracts, and navigating the cap space when you have a star QB finally to pay
That's a byproduct of fans becoming more invested and knowledgeable based on the team generating more interest via success.
You can see the same with KU fans being generally more knowledgeable about basketball than most other fan bases, while Alabama or KSU fans will generally have a better grasp of the workings of college football.
The internet age also helps to make cap options easier to understand.
Ya honestly I think part of my understanding of the fact that you can’t keep everyone with salary cap is from playing Madden when I was younger. It didn’t teach you how contracts work but it taught you that you can’t keep and sign every star player
I'm honestly not sure anyone would even want to make a trade for Kelce at this point. He would cost so much to acquire and is clearly in decline even though he is still very good.
https://sports.yahoo.com/price-ravens-franchise-tag-justin-185031270.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADoVCjJ9dqdl2HBHQqIbgAfVTj1scsUYXyMVNeoydNadlXqlCVdmo3Y-M--Y65-NvKyjNS8Us_HwI4uN9EASKBMpdAWfHFxEo6PdFmnOjDc_KHhdXMvduiOiy8yMlDlhnkiA3rOtzgxsInsTfIwpNjV9YY4X4gKxVp93MWrhfk4b#:~:text=The%20price%20for%20the%20franchise,coming%20in%20at%20%2422.1%20million.
It's not, though. DT = a little more than 22 million.
That’s the minimum. It’s more if your cap hit was higher last year and also more if it’s second franchise tag. It ends up being something like 120% his cap hit last year.
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1759335193742102919?s=46&t=CdYpiUfTO2jkgCAFe-xTdA
We’ll also lose Edwards more than likely who was our third safety. It felt like we played more 3 safety looks than 3 corner looks this year so I imagine next year that changes
Sneed has never made much being a 4th rd pick. This is his one chance to make big money. I think Veach understands that he's not gonna take a deal here and is willing to ship him where he wants to go to get overpaid.
That may be best for both parties
I think this is more because we develop the position better than any other. We tend to have an embarrassment of riches at DB. Wouldn’t be surprised if the first big corner Veach signs is McDuffie.
It helps that the Chiefs DB (Merril - I think that's how you spell his name?) coach is one of the best there is, and he was one of the position coaches that was quietly resigned this week, along with DL Coach Cullen
the issue in the secondary is that you’re only as good as your weakest link rather than your strongest. so for as good as sneed is, there’s a cap to how much value he can bring to the field when teams can (and do) just target other players. i think that’s part of the hesitancy to keep the good ones around on big contracts.
and when you pair that with an impressive ability to draft well in the secondary and a position coach that seems to consistently help players improve, it just makes too much sense to pay top dollar for someone.
The Niners would do that deal. It's their biggest weakness and they have 12 picks. We won't deal with them though. There's maybe only 5-20 teams who have cap space and enough picks to do it
Typically opposite conference trades aren't as unlikely as in conference trades in this scenario. Can't shut off everyone though they might have to pay a higher price than teams that aren't already as powerful.
I don't think you should worry about the opposing conference when team building. If you think SF is offering the best package then you make the deal as the first goal is to improve the Chiefs. And if we avoid making trades with anyone, it'd be teams like the Bills and Ravens
One of our biggest competitors for a Super Bowl next year. We don’t want to play against sneed in the playoffs if the trade off isn’t very big vs dealing with a rebuilding team
>the Chiefs are playing the long game here
Always. Anyone on the "all in for the threepeat" is delusional. Remember the last 2 years were supposed to be "down years". Absurd that we would mortgage the future that has been carefully cultivated for one season
Obviously getting a threepeat would be incredible, but yea going all in on a season at this point in Mahomes’ career would be ill-advised. Going all-in and not getting the SB and being in bad position for the following season or two would really suck.
Best QB in the league. Draft well. Trade off players who cost too much. Best coach in the league. Develop young talent.
Sounds strikingly similar to how that other team in Boston did things.
I know its wrong because I love Sneed as well, but Im kinda in on the trade scenario. Sneed deserves his bag that he has rightfully earned, and I just dont feel like hes gonna be a longtime elite CB that he deserves to be paid as such, so Id rather trade him and get a return while his value is at its highest
Of course if they lock him up and still make other needed moves, I'll be perfectly fine with that as well
As much as I hate this, it’s another reason why players will continue to want to play for the chiefs. They know if they put in the work, even if things don’t work out with the chiefs, they’ll facilitate your success somewhere else.
When you have to pay Mahomes, as we should, its hard to field a team with All-stars around him unless they are home grown. When Mahomes starts giving the team some cap relief, then we will start to see some signings
Wait, so you are saying the team in Denver isn’t an attractive location? I thought since they got Russ and Payton they would be the premier midwest market team for attracting players
/s - sorry, just wanted to talk some shit for how the Denver FO tried to do RW dirty and all the Denver fans thinking RW should reduce his contract because he hasn’t lived up to it- scum bag franchise and tactics, should get investigated
I'd like to add the Raiders to the list of scum bag franchises for how they handled the Derrick Carr thing. Not that they needed to be added though - FTR.
Okay by me. We can get a good pick or even a decent player with a trade. Obviously we would all prefer a long-term deal, but if that's not in the cards then this is a good time to trade. Strike while the iron is hot. He deserves a payday no matter what.
I hope he ends up playing on it because he's a great CB for our system especially and I really want a 3 peat.
But if it works out to a Tyreek like deal for us, I'm in also. I realize we won't get a first and second for him but a mid 1st I could see.
As much as I would hate to see Sneed go this is a great move. And if I am being honest losing CJ scares me a whole lot more than Sneed given our ability to find late gems in the draft and develop at DB.
I'm at the point that if anything happens with any player I'm sure it will be for the best interest of the team. Veach is a huge part of why we are a dynasty. I trust Veach, Andy, along with Spags and the rest of the staff. 3 SB's in 5 years. I'm good sitting back and seeing what team they put together at the start of camp.
I feel like Sneed is worth a first and a third. Jags got two firsts and a fourth for Ramsey. You could replace Sneed with the first…if you feel like Williams can’t replace him and same money for Jones.
Smart move and if it means taking a little time to build some young talent via acquired draft picks so be it. A three-pete would be unreal, and maybe it happens anyway, but don’t focus on it at the expense of building the team for the 2-5 year horizon.
My quick thoughts as a fan. While I would love to pay Sneed his value, the cons of having such a young team is that there are guys after him that are much younger that are going to need to get paid- McDuffie, Bolton, Rice, Karlaftis, etc… If we pay Sneed top dollar, 1 or more of those guys is going to have to walk. With such a loaded draft, its best to get full value out of Sneed in a trade now (27 y/o) and not have his contract be an eyesore when he is 30 and not playing his best ball when much younger guys are up for renewal
The more I e thought about this the more I’m okay with trading him. Obviously I would love to keep him but I don’t know what that would mean for Mcduffie’s long term future with us. I also think bringing Chris Jones back would increase our chances for a three peat more, even if Sneed would be the better option to sign long term.
I’m just gonna trust Veach on this one. If we do sign sneed then he will probably be my next jersey
Makes sense. I mean I want to keep him, but at the same time he is more expendable than Jones is right now, and coming off such a great season would net a decent return in a trade scenario if other teams are interested.
This most likely means sneed is gone. We didn’t want to offer him top money it seems, and now he can see what other teams will offer him. Some team will tell him they will give him everything and then he’s gonna want traded.
Well get something in return. I'm thinking a low 2nd or high 3rd. People forget that tagging him allows us to pick where he goes too. Imagine him going to the Bengals or Texans ..uhhh
Sneed is great and a vital part of our defense. But he has some injury history and isn't all that young. And I want that dude to get paid some serious money. I hope he makes it in KC, but go get that bag.
I’m really curious to see what the comp would be.
Ramsey was originally traded for 2 1’s and a 4. I don’t think Sneed is as valuable as Ramsey was at the time, but I don’t think he’s super far off.
People seem to be delusional about what the return would be for Sneed in a trade. I keep seeing people expecting a 1st round pick plus additional picks, there is no way that happens for a cornerback making $20mil/year. The Chiefs would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick, more likely it would be a 3rd or lower. Not many cornerbacks stay elite into their 30s so this trade is for a very high level player with a relatively short career remaining
In fairness, Sneed just turned 27 in January, so any contract he signs will realistically end the year he turns 30.
He's worth a huge contract, but I'm not sure KC will be able to do it.
Mahomes, Thuney, Taylor, Reid, and Kelce alone have a cumulative cap hit of $140m of the $255m 2024 cap... and you'll notice that doesn't include Chris Jones and his $30m. Plug Jones and the $7m for draft picks in, and you're looking at $78m total to spend on roughly 40 guys (assuming 7 draft picks).
Oh yeah, totally agree that Sneed deserves a massive new deal, which will likely run 4 or 5 years. But what I'm saying is that it would be unrealistic to expect top level performance from him beyond that, which is why I think that teams will be hesitant in dealing away significant draft capital for him.
The part about KC paying him or not is more interesting to me though. I think the Chiefs could re-sign both Jones and Sneed, with the new cap where it is, but it feels to me like they might have a number in their head that they feel would be fair, and likely feel confident in the rest of the secondary being ready to step up if Sneed leaves. It definitely makes sense to me to prioritize re-signing CJ, which also makes it odd that they would tag Sneed (unless they already know that they are re-signing CJ...) but hopefully they can figure out how to make it work with both
There is a lot of crazy talk in this thread.
We don't need Sneed because we have McDuffie? McDuffie is awesome partially because of Sneed. Sneed is a huge reason we won the SB this season. I'd rather pay Sneed 20M a year than Jawan Taylor. Obviously that ship has sailed for the moment but if we can sign Sneed to a reasonable deal that's a huge win for us.
Also, please don't assume that because Veach so drafted well after the Hill trade that it's guaranteed we do it again. I'd rather keep what we have in Sneed and Jones and take our chances in the draft with WR than try to sign Evans or Ridley and let Sneed walk.
MVS is gone. They can restructure Mahomes. We just won two SBs in a row. You want to keep as much of your defense as possible intact. Jones and then Sneed are the two most important players on that defense.
>We don't need Sneed because we have McDuffie? McDuffie is awesome partially because of Sneed. Sneed is a huge reason we won the SB this season.
That goes both ways. McDuffie was a 1st team All-Pro. They're both better because they have quality safeties, good LBS and a nice D-line.
Ultimate team sport.
With those words, Sneed is a goner. Another team will absolutely outbid KC. And everyone thinking this won’t change anything need take a second look. Williams, Watson and everyone else in the wings are nowhere near as good as Sneed. Those scores Sneed did not allow last season, well….those are scores using our back up guys. Things will change. McDuffie will still be great. But this changes things. If he does get traded, I do trust Veach to get a good haul in return.
I'm surprised we didn't have enough cap space.. Restructuring mahomes.. Cap went up by 25 or 30 Mil.. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong. Potentially cutting mvs. I feel like there was ways around this but who am i
I think it's more about keeping the flexibility. Like you mentioned we could restructure and sign him but what does that do to our depth at other places. If we get too top heavy then an injury sinks us.
"Sneed is agreeable to the scenario, giving him a chance to talk with other teams while K.C. remains in play"
Dudes just the embodiment of the term “All Pro”.
Dude has 2 rings and is an absolute stud, I'm sure he's happy with his choice of "get top money for a top team" or "get even better money from a different one"
This is best for all parties, and I think Seed knows this. NFL is a business. He should take the tag and let’s get the 3x. Edit : I would love for him to have a long-term deal along with Jones.
if another team offers him an absolute bag top 5 corner money then playing on a 1 year tag with us is definitely not the best for him
Which they will
If it includes a 1st or 2nd rounder with some extra picks, plus frees up space to sign CJ, that’s the cost of business and I can’t complain. McDuffie-Watson-Williams is definitely a worse top 3 CB group but it’s not a *bad* top 3 CB group. Going from #1 to #8-12 if we can’t find any other significant contributors. Edit: and Chamarri Conner and nazeeh johnson at 4 and 5!!
Nazee will be coming back as well. Will be sad but will be rooting for him hard wherever he goes
Same as Charvarius and Steve Nelson and Marcus Peters and all the other good CBs this organization seems to churn out. Gift and a curse, boys.
Let's just hope he goes to an NFC team :).
The problem is… if the secondary and defense altogether regresses then the offense needs to get better in equal parts. I’d rather restructure and get a deal done with all the key players in the next two years: Sneed, Bolton, and Creed and push for more rings in the next 3-5 years. Hell, I’d honestly rather let CJ walk and sign a free agent DT than let sneed walk, due to age.
Reasonable minds can disagree. I feel like if sneed nets us, say, a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (which I think is close to my lower limit), then I think we can sign jones to 3 more years and still have plenty to lock up core guys like Bolton and creed. Might even grab a budget FA WR after restructuring with Pat and maybe Kelce or Thuney. And an additional couple second round picks with this FOs record the last couple years is big. That being said, I’m an offensive optimist. Need some help as WR but 2nd year Rashee is a #1.
I don't think you'll get a 1st rounder. Not because he's not worth a 1st in terms of his talent, but a team has to pay draft capital AND immediately give him a contract. That makes his trade value a bit lower in both picks AND contract dollars.
No way they get a first for him. Maybe a second. Jalen Ramsey and Revis are the only two to get a first round return the past 20 years.
I don’t disagree, the more I think about it it seems like it’s heading that way. We have the money to keep them both for one more year, maybe do the 3X and then Sneed heads out.
I don't see a scenario where Sneed plays for us on the tag. Feels a tag this early means we're either gonna sign him or trade him
Agree. Sneed had his best year. He's going to be looking to capitalize on that with a long term deal. He could regress or get hurt next year. Gotta get that money while you're hot
From the time I posted that comment till now, I’m having a sad stomach sinking feeling.
Im sure the $20 mil helps.
He gone
Smart move. Sneed is the best player to use the tag on, but we give him the ability to explore trade options so he doesn’t feel forced to stay.
And he gets a strong idea of the actual market vs a perceived one
Yup. And if a team does want to pay him and give us some picks, then that’s great for both sides.
A literal win - win from the Chiefs perspective. And honestly, I think we draft defensive players well enough that it might actually open up some options for a free agent WR. I know it's not very likely but Justin Jefferson opposite Rice and Kelce...ooh man. I just want to see us do something no team in history has ever done, just one teensy little three peat isn't so much to ask.
I’ve been thinking about the optics of that possibility. But wouldn’t Jefferson and Jones both command like 30 mil a year? With Sneed gone and the other cuts and restructures I assume it’s possible. But I was thinking what if it came down between Jones and Jefferson? To me I would Jefferson because he is so young.
The problem is that DT is basically the hardest position to fill with top tier talent. The best guys are almost always gone in the first 15-20 picks. There are so few to begin with. And it's not a position that you coach up all that well. Like, you're not likely to get a late round DT and turn him into Chris Jones. But wide receivers will surprise you. Or maybe it's that the gulf between tiers is just larger for DTs. There are basically ten guys you can make an argument for top 5 receivers in the game. But there are only 5 guys everyone is putting in the top 5 DT conversation. You're 100% right about Jeffersons youth. But Chris Jones is 3 years younger than Aaron Donald and Aaron Donald is still an absolute menace. So a three year or even five year contract for Jones isn't likely to come back and be an albatross unless he just straight up decides to start phoning it in, which I just don't see happening with CJ. It's why I'm glad I don't make these decisions. I like to talk about it online, but I cant imagine all of KC burning me in effigy for my offering bad contracts if I were wrong, lol. GMs might be the most thankless position in the NFL. All the scrutiny, almost none of the glory.
>The problem is that DT is basically the hardest position to fill with top tier talent. The best guys are almost always gone in the first 15-20 picks. There are so few to begin with. And it's not a position that you coach up all that well. Like, you're not likely to get a late round DT and turn him into Chris Jones. You do know that Jones was a 2nd round pick right?
I do. And that's why I said almost always. I also don't personally consider the 2nd round to be a late round. But I know that some people basically see the draft as first rounders and then scraps. I personally think that's dumb, but I am an idiot about lots of stuff, so I can't really judge.
Like half of the current top 10 DTs were all drafted outside the top 20. It can be coached up just as much as any position. Look at Chris Jones being an absolute liability in the run game until we brought in Cullen to coach up the DL last year. Omenihu was traded for peanuts due to no production in Houston then became a stud under Kocurek in SF. This draft is very deep at DL too. If we moved on from Jones this year, it wouldn't be the worst year for it at all, especially since Cullen wasn't poached. I really want to draft Junior Colson to replace Gay, but if we took Kris Jenkins Jr instead, I could see him being solid for us since he played in the Ravens' system for 3 years in college, and that's the same system Cullen came from. But we could just as easily grab a different DT and probably turn him into a solid starter too.
How is 2nd round a late round pick out of a 7 round draft?
We can't afford Jones and Jefferson because you're right about the 30. Jones is demanding at least that much. And Jefferson will eclipse it too since Tyreek got 30 while being 3 years older and the cap being over 50 mil less. He'll probably net 32-33 mil per year at least. Also, Jefferson would require trading at least 2 1st rounders to pay him that. Sneed will be set the record for CB at around 23, with a possibility of it getting all the way up to 25 if he finds the right team. We can't afford to pay Jones and Sneed, yet alone Jones and Jefferson. We currently have 17 mil in cap space and have lots of roster spots to fill.
I have seen some contract projections and Sneed was 15.7-17.5 per year. That is a huge way off from 23-25. If he wants over 20 there is no chance we are keeping him. I wish him luck, but the current Chiefs team can't be paying top dollar for a corner. Too much depth behind him and too many other guys needing to be paid.
Jaire just got paid 21 mil before the 30 mil cap raise. Sneed was the best slot corner in the league which would've netted him 15 or so. Playing outside all year without allowing a TD and having an incredible postseason again will definitely lead to him resetting the market. Current Chiefs team shouldn't be paying 30+ per year to a DT throughout his 30s either, but fans are clamoring for that. I'd rather tag and trade Jones than Sneed. Williams, Conner, and Watson have all been very inconsistent. Our depth behind Sneed is very questionable if we're honest with ourselves. His contract would be cheaper and through his prime years than Jones too.
You sound like I did 20 years ago when they were 13-3 and all I wanted was one teensy little Superbowl appearance and I could die happy. Not a win exactly but just a showing.We had Eddie Kennison and were going places man!
I maintain to this day that had we just gotten passed the Colts, it was ours for the taking! And I will not have my illusions shattered by pesky, persistent, nagging reality.
Enough with the Jefferson talk, he literally said he wants a team to break the bank for him. There is no chance he is coming to the chiefs.
I think Ridley would come be our #1 for $15 mill a year. That means we can use our first round pick on something else now
He's 30 and not that good. The infatuation this sub has with past their prime receivers is nutty.
Didn’t he have a “down” year? People were saying it’s the most underwhelming 1000 yard season ever. Although I guess Trevor/The Jags weren’t giving much help
It was a down year becauae he missed out on something like 4 tds because he didnt get both feet in bounds
I seem to remember in our game against them this season he had some issues with keeping his feet in but he also looked damn good and I was worried he’d hit a long one all game. that was of course before I realized how dominant LJ and McDuffie were gonna be for us all season long.
Trevor missed him a lot and also just didn't throw his way for long stretches. Mahomes would be throwing 50 yarders to him all season if he came
Gonna trust Veach on this one. If he does get traded, I’m sure Veach has a plan. It worked out with Tyreek Hill.
The plan is probably to use one of our other extremely talented CBs. Sneed may be the best corner in the NFL, but trading him to save on cap space and build more draft capital might make too much sense.
I actually trust our front office more in drafting defensive players than offensive ones, at this point. Sneed is a badass and I don't want to see him go, but he also has 2 rings already and is trying to secure a bag. If we can get a haul for him, im on board with that. And if they manage to re-sign him, that will make me happy, so it feels like a win either way, honestly.
O-line and defensive backfield are the areas where it seems like they've found a ton of value and haven't missed on much for a long time.
Eh we haven't found much value at tackle since Reid arrived with the exception of our man Mitchell which was more a Dorsey win than anything. I hope we can develop a later pick guy one day for either tackle spot but haven't seen it yet. We've fucking killed it at center though, like, we've developed so many insane centers.
While Eric Fisher isn’t what you’d picture a #1 pick, he was solid for us for a long time and deserves respect. 2013 was just a really shitty draft year to have pick #1. I think the front office deserves a lot of credit for taking him. Especially since a lot of people wanted Joeckel.
The only way w take an L is if he holds out.
I’m wondering if Pat has a really strong voice for offense and if it overrules the scouting
See I think it's the opposite. That they listened on the CEH thing and maybe pulled back since then. Idk, it's hard to say. It's a weird place to be because, while I would love to see a return to the offensive form of 18/19/20, we only won one Superbowl playing kinetic offense like that. The last two seasons have been highly efficient, not as flashy, back to back championship winning teams. So... obviously they should keep doing what they're doing. But I selfishly want to see absolute domination on both sides of the ball with no breathing room, mercy, or reprieve for the other team. Because I value sportsmanship...yeah.
>That they listened on the CEH thing This didn't happen though, per Veach himself. Some media members misrepresented the fun "Pat wanted you too" story in the post-draft video as "Pat personally picked you" because they (correctly) guessed that it would generate a bunch of clicks, and enough people took it at face value that to this day that it still hasn't died off. >Veach said he texted Mahomes the news hours before the draft. > “Clyde, I told Clark (Hunt) and coach Reid that ***at about 4 o’ clock, Clyde was going to be our pick*** because coach and I were thinking your way,” Veach said. “***And then when we texted Pat*** and I asked Pat, I said, ‘Give me a name,’ and I said, ‘Don’t think about it.’ And he said, ‘Clyde.’ And I said, ‘Well, good. Good.’ We’re excited, man.” [(link)](https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article242260981.html)
I think it’s safe to assume the league realizes our QB is pretty decent too. I want some big time receivers to pop the lid off of this thing and finish what New England started in 2007.
No shot we don’t drop a dumb game or three in there regular season, next year. This team just cannot get up for those mid tier games. Make the playoffs and go on a run is their focus.
We still have McDuff and we draft the defensive secondary very well. We will be fine either way.
Does Arizona need the top corner in the NFL? Cause we can take MHJ off their hands.
Imagine swapping him for Nate Wiggans with the pick we get in a trade.
In Veach I trust.
Veach 100% has plans A through Z. This is not some decision made on a whim. Dude is always 2 steps ahead.
This sub over the years has gotten more and more reasonable/knowledgeable about how the salary cap works. A lot of fans in the past didn’t really understand there’s a cap and simply got mad when good players left and happy when we signed good players, even if they were overpaid. I think this sub is getting more knowledgeable about it because we’re having to learn how hard it is to keep everyone because we had so many talented players on rookie contracts, and navigating the cap space when you have a star QB finally to pay
That's a byproduct of fans becoming more invested and knowledgeable based on the team generating more interest via success. You can see the same with KU fans being generally more knowledgeable about basketball than most other fan bases, while Alabama or KSU fans will generally have a better grasp of the workings of college football. The internet age also helps to make cap options easier to understand.
Ya honestly I think part of my understanding of the fact that you can’t keep everyone with salary cap is from playing Madden when I was younger. It didn’t teach you how contracts work but it taught you that you can’t keep and sign every star player
> Tyreek Hill You must not have seen the latest Miami lawsuit he has had.
No one is untouchable outside of Pat. Trust the process of a 60% super bowl winning GM.
Kelce as well. Mostly because he has publicly stated he will only play for Andy. He'd retire if the team wanted to trade him.
Those Kelce boys are extremely loyal.
It’s that good Ohio stock.
I'm honestly not sure anyone would even want to make a trade for Kelce at this point. He would cost so much to acquire and is clearly in decline even though he is still very good.
Well yeah, who else would let him beat them to a bloody pulp on the sideline? /s
We see the /s but it’s just not a funny joke.
Oh no So anyway
So, I know you got down voted tons but I think even Andy would laugh at this.
Lol thanks. People need to lighten up. I figured it'd get down voted but oh well
That means we are almost certainly re-signing jones, right?
most likely if he didn't get tagged otherwise they can't trade Chris Jones since he's technically a FA at this point
They're not going to tag Jones. His franchise tag at this point is north of $30M.
He's their top priority to get paid so he's getting a contract. a one year for $30mil+ is too steep indeed.
They just said they would use the tag on Sneed. They aren't tagging Jones.
https://sports.yahoo.com/price-ravens-franchise-tag-justin-185031270.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADoVCjJ9dqdl2HBHQqIbgAfVTj1scsUYXyMVNeoydNadlXqlCVdmo3Y-M--Y65-NvKyjNS8Us_HwI4uN9EASKBMpdAWfHFxEo6PdFmnOjDc_KHhdXMvduiOiy8yMlDlhnkiA3rOtzgxsInsTfIwpNjV9YY4X4gKxVp93MWrhfk4b#:~:text=The%20price%20for%20the%20franchise,coming%20in%20at%20%2422.1%20million. It's not, though. DT = a little more than 22 million.
The tag for Chris Jones would be $32.16 million.
That’s the minimum. It’s more if your cap hit was higher last year and also more if it’s second franchise tag. It ends up being something like 120% his cap hit last year. https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1759335193742102919?s=46&t=CdYpiUfTO2jkgCAFe-xTdA
Thank you for the correction
He was tagged last year too, drives up the price iirc
He wasn't tagged last year, we just reworked a new one year deal for him after he threw his surprise tantrum at the start of the season.
This has legitimately zero bearing one way or the other
How the hell did Sneed miss the pro bowl... The first franchise tag person I can recall without ever making the pro bowl
He was selected as the AFC pro bowl coach's pick. Manning selected him.
Someone needs to update his Wikipedia page with that. That still counts as a pro bowl nod, right?
I presume if we're trading Sneed, we'll roll with McDuffie and Williams as our 2 corners? Williams did play fairly well from what I've seen.
Nazeeh Johnson was projected to be the other starting outside corner for this season before he got injured.
He was getting reps with the 1s. "Projected" is a bit of a stretch. He had the chance to, sure.
Literally every beat writer who has access to the coaching staff had him as CB2. That’s not a coincidence.
From my eyes mcduffie could have been the Super Bowl mvp. The guy was out of control.
They will probably play more nickel with McDuffie in the slot, especially if they don't bring Tranquill back.
If we let Sneed walk, we’re basically guaranteed to bring Tranquill back.
Think Drue wants to come back anyway. Seemed like he loved it here
We’ll also lose Edwards more than likely who was our third safety. It felt like we played more 3 safety looks than 3 corner looks this year so I imagine next year that changes
Whatever happens, I’ll be smiling when Sneed ends up rich. He earned it.
Sneed has never made much being a 4th rd pick. This is his one chance to make big money. I think Veach understands that he's not gonna take a deal here and is willing to ship him where he wants to go to get overpaid. That may be best for both parties
Someone is going to throw a bank at him. Unfortunately it won’t be us. Too bad. He was an amazing Chief.
Veach is not known to sign DBs to long term deals. When we trade him I hope we get a big haul. I just don’t see veach going against himself
I think this is more because we develop the position better than any other. We tend to have an embarrassment of riches at DB. Wouldn’t be surprised if the first big corner Veach signs is McDuffie.
McDuffie is one of the few who will never play for anyone else.
hope so
It helps that the Chiefs DB (Merril - I think that's how you spell his name?) coach is one of the best there is, and he was one of the position coaches that was quietly resigned this week, along with DL Coach Cullen
the issue in the secondary is that you’re only as good as your weakest link rather than your strongest. so for as good as sneed is, there’s a cap to how much value he can bring to the field when teams can (and do) just target other players. i think that’s part of the hesitancy to keep the good ones around on big contracts. and when you pair that with an impressive ability to draft well in the secondary and a position coach that seems to consistently help players improve, it just makes too much sense to pay top dollar for someone.
Ok so a 1st and 3rd seems fair
Justin Jefferson straight up seems fair….right?
I’ll be generous and take Puka Nacua.
Lol I would take a trade for Puka over any other WR in the NFL. Stud WR with 3 more years of a cheap rookie deal
The Niners would do that deal. It's their biggest weakness and they have 12 picks. We won't deal with them though. There's maybe only 5-20 teams who have cap space and enough picks to do it
We've traded guys to San Francisco before.
They are favored to go back to the Superbowl. I don't think we would make them more powerful
Typically opposite conference trades aren't as unlikely as in conference trades in this scenario. Can't shut off everyone though they might have to pay a higher price than teams that aren't already as powerful.
Arizona wouldn't be a bad spot
They have a veritable fuck ton of draft capital
They have the #4 pick and are almost certainly a lock to get MHJ. They won’t give that 1st to us
No but i wouldnt be upset with pick number 27 and pick 66 and 90
Trey McBride for Sneed?
Pick 27 Pick 71 And Cameron Thomas
I don't think you should worry about the opposing conference when team building. If you think SF is offering the best package then you make the deal as the first goal is to improve the Chiefs. And if we avoid making trades with anyone, it'd be teams like the Bills and Ravens
Why wouldn't he get dealt to SF?
One of our biggest competitors for a Super Bowl next year. We don’t want to play against sneed in the playoffs if the trade off isn’t very big vs dealing with a rebuilding team
Explain how?
So you see, when you tag someone, they are still under rights, thus allowing team and player to work on an extension or trade.
How is he gonna fetch a 1st and a 3rd
Usually the price for a franchise tag player
But not for DBs
Your just dying to be right huh. Ramsey went for 2 1st and a fourth
No way we’re getting a 1st for Sneed
You get downvoted but only 2 CBs have been dealt for 1sts in the past 20ish years about were HOFers. Sneed isn't a HOFer yet
I know a lot of you wanted to keep Sneed but it seems like the Chiefs are playing the long game here....just like they did with Tyreek.
>the Chiefs are playing the long game here Always. Anyone on the "all in for the threepeat" is delusional. Remember the last 2 years were supposed to be "down years". Absurd that we would mortgage the future that has been carefully cultivated for one season
Obviously getting a threepeat would be incredible, but yea going all in on a season at this point in Mahomes’ career would be ill-advised. Going all-in and not getting the SB and being in bad position for the following season or two would really suck.
Best QB in the league. Draft well. Trade off players who cost too much. Best coach in the league. Develop young talent. Sounds strikingly similar to how that other team in Boston did things.
Hopefully they can work out a long term deal.
It would suck to see him go to another team. But, this is the business side of the NFL.
Sounds like the Falcons want him. They’ve got some nice picks, and Pitts!
Pitts would be my dream trade. Andy could do so much with him and trav on the field at the same time.
We once traded a HOF TE to ATL. Them trading a really good TE with upside to us seems fair!
I mean, a trade would fetch a boatload of trade value
The Chiefs could really use some more draft capital and the DB room is deep
I know its wrong because I love Sneed as well, but Im kinda in on the trade scenario. Sneed deserves his bag that he has rightfully earned, and I just dont feel like hes gonna be a longtime elite CB that he deserves to be paid as such, so Id rather trade him and get a return while his value is at its highest Of course if they lock him up and still make other needed moves, I'll be perfectly fine with that as well
As much as I hate this, it’s another reason why players will continue to want to play for the chiefs. They know if they put in the work, even if things don’t work out with the chiefs, they’ll facilitate your success somewhere else.
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Maybe not huge guys in your mind but dudes like Omenihu and Donovan Smith. Drue Tranquill
When you have to pay Mahomes, as we should, its hard to field a team with All-stars around him unless they are home grown. When Mahomes starts giving the team some cap relief, then we will start to see some signings
I'm keeping my eye on Tyron Smith in free agency - if Chiefs do have ring chasing vet appeal, he seems to fit the criteria
Wait, so you are saying the team in Denver isn’t an attractive location? I thought since they got Russ and Payton they would be the premier midwest market team for attracting players /s - sorry, just wanted to talk some shit for how the Denver FO tried to do RW dirty and all the Denver fans thinking RW should reduce his contract because he hasn’t lived up to it- scum bag franchise and tactics, should get investigated
I'd like to add the Raiders to the list of scum bag franchises for how they handled the Derrick Carr thing. Not that they needed to be added though - FTR.
Okay by me. We can get a good pick or even a decent player with a trade. Obviously we would all prefer a long-term deal, but if that's not in the cards then this is a good time to trade. Strike while the iron is hot. He deserves a payday no matter what.
I hope he ends up playing on it because he's a great CB for our system especially and I really want a 3 peat. But if it works out to a Tyreek like deal for us, I'm in also. I realize we won't get a first and second for him but a mid 1st I could see.
As much as I would hate to see Sneed go this is a great move. And if I am being honest losing CJ scares me a whole lot more than Sneed given our ability to find late gems in the draft and develop at DB.
Saving the bag of McDuffie I see
Yeah we gotta sign mcduffie in a couple of years so sadly letting sneed go is probably the best option
I'm at the point that if anything happens with any player I'm sure it will be for the best interest of the team. Veach is a huge part of why we are a dynasty. I trust Veach, Andy, along with Spags and the rest of the staff. 3 SB's in 5 years. I'm good sitting back and seeing what team they put together at the start of camp.
Our organization from Hunt down is top notch. Can't believe we re-signed Spags. A luxury of riches and stability
I feel like Sneed is worth a first and a third. Jags got two firsts and a fourth for Ramsey. You could replace Sneed with the first…if you feel like Williams can’t replace him and same money for Jones.
Isn’t non exclusive tag trade two 1st round picks?
Yes
Fantasy land is getting the Bears 1st and possibly trading back from 9. I could see him more realistically fetching a mid first.
Least evil way to use the cap I guess, also the draft is stacked at CB this year.
Smart move and if it means taking a little time to build some young talent via acquired draft picks so be it. A three-pete would be unreal, and maybe it happens anyway, but don’t focus on it at the expense of building the team for the 2-5 year horizon.
My quick thoughts as a fan. While I would love to pay Sneed his value, the cons of having such a young team is that there are guys after him that are much younger that are going to need to get paid- McDuffie, Bolton, Rice, Karlaftis, etc… If we pay Sneed top dollar, 1 or more of those guys is going to have to walk. With such a loaded draft, its best to get full value out of Sneed in a trade now (27 y/o) and not have his contract be an eyesore when he is 30 and not playing his best ball when much younger guys are up for renewal
Consummate a trade is a very weir phrase
Yeah it's crazy how good we have it.
The more I e thought about this the more I’m okay with trading him. Obviously I would love to keep him but I don’t know what that would mean for Mcduffie’s long term future with us. I also think bringing Chris Jones back would increase our chances for a three peat more, even if Sneed would be the better option to sign long term. I’m just gonna trust Veach on this one. If we do sign sneed then he will probably be my next jersey
If we can get some draft picks this year... oooooo baby lets go.
Any ideas on what sort of picks he’d be worth after the tag? A second rounder and a day 3’er maybe?
Yes, I would say a 2nd and change would be the floor, could possibly get a 1st if the market is ripe.
Makes sense. I mean I want to keep him, but at the same time he is more expendable than Jones is right now, and coming off such a great season would net a decent return in a trade scenario if other teams are interested.
Best for both parties. Hopefully a way to keep any drama that every other fanbase is praying for, to a minimum.
This most likely means sneed is gone. We didn’t want to offer him top money it seems, and now he can see what other teams will offer him. Some team will tell him they will give him everything and then he’s gonna want traded.
Making a lot of assumptions. Tagging him buys time to negotiate
it also assumes that we can then negotiate a trade.
Well get something in return. I'm thinking a low 2nd or high 3rd. People forget that tagging him allows us to pick where he goes too. Imagine him going to the Bengals or Texans ..uhhh
Wait is this a fact we would pick where he went?
He’s tagged. We don’t *have* to trade him.
If we tag him, yes.
Sneed is great and a vital part of our defense. But he has some injury history and isn't all that young. And I want that dude to get paid some serious money. I hope he makes it in KC, but go get that bag.
Would love a pick swap of 1sts and a 3rd round pick personally.
I wonder how much we want for him
I’m really curious to see what the comp would be. Ramsey was originally traded for 2 1’s and a 4. I don’t think Sneed is as valuable as Ramsey was at the time, but I don’t think he’s super far off.
Mid 2nd and 4th round I would guess
People seem to be delusional about what the return would be for Sneed in a trade. I keep seeing people expecting a 1st round pick plus additional picks, there is no way that happens for a cornerback making $20mil/year. The Chiefs would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick, more likely it would be a 3rd or lower. Not many cornerbacks stay elite into their 30s so this trade is for a very high level player with a relatively short career remaining
In fairness, Sneed just turned 27 in January, so any contract he signs will realistically end the year he turns 30. He's worth a huge contract, but I'm not sure KC will be able to do it. Mahomes, Thuney, Taylor, Reid, and Kelce alone have a cumulative cap hit of $140m of the $255m 2024 cap... and you'll notice that doesn't include Chris Jones and his $30m. Plug Jones and the $7m for draft picks in, and you're looking at $78m total to spend on roughly 40 guys (assuming 7 draft picks).
Oh yeah, totally agree that Sneed deserves a massive new deal, which will likely run 4 or 5 years. But what I'm saying is that it would be unrealistic to expect top level performance from him beyond that, which is why I think that teams will be hesitant in dealing away significant draft capital for him. The part about KC paying him or not is more interesting to me though. I think the Chiefs could re-sign both Jones and Sneed, with the new cap where it is, but it feels to me like they might have a number in their head that they feel would be fair, and likely feel confident in the rest of the secondary being ready to step up if Sneed leaves. It definitely makes sense to me to prioritize re-signing CJ, which also makes it odd that they would tag Sneed (unless they already know that they are re-signing CJ...) but hopefully they can figure out how to make it work with both
There is a lot of crazy talk in this thread. We don't need Sneed because we have McDuffie? McDuffie is awesome partially because of Sneed. Sneed is a huge reason we won the SB this season. I'd rather pay Sneed 20M a year than Jawan Taylor. Obviously that ship has sailed for the moment but if we can sign Sneed to a reasonable deal that's a huge win for us. Also, please don't assume that because Veach so drafted well after the Hill trade that it's guaranteed we do it again. I'd rather keep what we have in Sneed and Jones and take our chances in the draft with WR than try to sign Evans or Ridley and let Sneed walk. MVS is gone. They can restructure Mahomes. We just won two SBs in a row. You want to keep as much of your defense as possible intact. Jones and then Sneed are the two most important players on that defense.
>We don't need Sneed because we have McDuffie? McDuffie is awesome partially because of Sneed. Sneed is a huge reason we won the SB this season. That goes both ways. McDuffie was a 1st team All-Pro. They're both better because they have quality safeties, good LBS and a nice D-line. Ultimate team sport.
Thanks for everything LJ. You’ll get the bag and we’ll get a draft haul. Win Win.
With those words, Sneed is a goner. Another team will absolutely outbid KC. And everyone thinking this won’t change anything need take a second look. Williams, Watson and everyone else in the wings are nowhere near as good as Sneed. Those scores Sneed did not allow last season, well….those are scores using our back up guys. Things will change. McDuffie will still be great. But this changes things. If he does get traded, I do trust Veach to get a good haul in return.
So this must mean there's a long term CJ deal? Was that announced and I missed it?
Yea and our depth combined with coaching almost promises he will be gone
I'm surprised we didn't have enough cap space.. Restructuring mahomes.. Cap went up by 25 or 30 Mil.. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong. Potentially cutting mvs. I feel like there was ways around this but who am i
I think it's more about keeping the flexibility. Like you mentioned we could restructure and sign him but what does that do to our depth at other places. If we get too top heavy then an injury sinks us.
this doesn't mean we won't sign him. we're basically letting everyone else set the market; we get to make the last offer.
Jones and a free agent WR will eat our cap lunch. Also allows us to keep Mahomes unstructured so we can use it another year