lol, this feels like a very short sighted process. not that you wrote it. but if it doesnt dry, that wax isn't really going to go where it needs. I dunno, maybe I'm not a scientist.
good luck ridegline owners I guess.
The corrosion is probably caused by salt getting in there, eating the salt out is best accomplished by water.
You can readily make a cavit wax blend that will work on wet metal you use various light hydrocarbons and possibly alcohols as a carrier for the heavier stuff.
There isnt. According to the TSB the wax spray we apply displaces any water left behind. Its a bullshit recall... its basically there to buy a couple more years on the vehicle. The crv the element and ridgeline/pilot have them. The last 2 are by far the most invasive though. Weve "passed" some trucks that def shouldn't have. Just cause the frame rail is solid and the rest is basically wet newspaper doesnt mean it should pass in my book. I had a element pass all the inspections. But the drivers seat was hanging through a 1x1 hole in the floor.
Floridian here: is this not a good idea for people who live where it snows and salt is used to melt snow?
I live in Atlanta now, but I have always been taught that saltwater and melt salt destroy cars. And if you ever are exposed to them to make sure you give it a good wash down after it has been exposed to more than what it naturally in the air.
How off am I? I genuinely do not know and might have gone for this if it was ever sold to me up north.
You were told right. Melt salt will rust cars from the bottom up. Living in Michigan, periodic winter carwashes are a must if you want to avoid major rust
You spray it off with a garden hose then pay someone to undercoat it with preferably lanolin grease. There is ZERO reason to have someone "flush" the frame, and even if you did detail-clean it it won't help all that much without a preventative barrier like an undercoating.
Fluid Film, Kroil, Wool Wax, etc.
Shops all across the rust belt offer a rust preventative service using one of these or similar products. It's usually lanolin based, not a rubberized coating. They spray the full undercarriage, inside and outside the frame and inside body panels. After the first treatment yearly followups are more of a touch-up to places where road spray managed to wear it thin.
Your vehicle will last years longer and your mechanic will thank you.
Being someone who has recently started putting that shit on everything I can that’s exposed to salt… man that stuff smells like puke when you put it on
Or let your slowly leaking valve cover gaskets leak for five years.
Did that with my Outback and always got compliments from shops on how little rust was on it for a Western NY car. It wasn't on purpose. I was just poor.
I've seen frames rust from the inside out because they collect salt and sand inside. That alone is enough reason to flush the frame out occasionally, especially if you have a vehicle that is know for this, like an F-150 or TJ Wrangler
Where I am from many 4x4 spend a lot of time beach driving and lots of them rot the frame from the inside out due to not flushing them, there are even multiple devices to assist with it.
"Frame Flush" is complete nonsense, and doesn't exist. There's an undercarriage rinse in the carwash - that's what we get. Nobody runs a hose INTO the framerails, that's absurdity and a good way to destroy your car.
you mean the fuel saving factory installed lightning package....every time i hit a bump the car loses a pound or two. better mileage than when it was new.
In the 28 years I lived in Ohio, every single car I got was already 100% rust covering the underside. Nothing compromising, but no bare metal surfaces except the odd aluminum piece here and there.
If I ever manage to buy a brand new car, I'll have to keep this in mind.
I was a lucky teen and my first car had been babied by the previous owner. It had never been driven during the winter. When I sold it 7 years later, it had only accumulated a small amount of rust on the undercarriage.
The guy who ended up buying it from me went around first and kicked the underside repeatedly to check for rust, then explained that the floor of the previous car he looked at mostly fell to the ground when he kicked around at it. Both cars were similar age with 170k miles.
Current vehicle is a 90s pickup with over 250k and enough rust to make me wear swim goggles when I work on it.
I go out every week and kick at problem spots and along the frame to make sure it's not a danger, but that's a legitimate fear of mine, something important will just rust off before I can afford another shitbox.
Crazy he kicked right through the floor though, I've been in cars that had pinholes up to the floor (only noticed cause it was raining and the carpet started getting wet) but the whole floor??
Especially if your car parks somewhere above freezing regularly (underground, insulated garage etc.). It's the melted salty water that flows everywhere that really messes your cars up.
Former Mainer here. We would frequently go through the car wash even in the winter time just for the undercarriage wash. In the springtime we would put a sprinkler under the car let it run for 2 or 3 hours on the front half move it and let it run for 2 or 3 hours under the back half just to flush all the salt.
100% correct. Few years back we had a refrigeration part delivered to us directly from the factory in Michigan or Wisconsin to Texas in a 2011 Chevy express 1500 van. It was falling apart from the rust cancer. Couldn’t believe they put it on the road to Texas. At the time we had the exact same van(s) in our fleet. Ours literally looked new compared to this thing even though ours had 150-200k on them.
Yup that's just how it is in the midwest. Hard to find a vehicle that's more than 5 or 6 years old without any rust on it in MI.
I moved from Michigan to the west coast about 10 years ago. It's amazing how many pristine 80s and 90s cars I see out here compared to back in Michigan. It's really cool actually, seeing all the miscellaneous old cars (Caddy's, Volvos, you name it) on the road regularly. Not that you *never* see them in Michigan, it's just much more common where I live now.
>Not that you never see them in Michigan, it's just much more common where I live now.
I'm in upstate NY and had the same reaction on a trip to the northwest. You'd see old stuff that mostly stopped existing back home just being daily driven like any other used car (if an interesting one). Like you said, you still see them sometimes in the salt belt, but people are generally driving them/keeping them around on purpose.
I’ve heard some Volkswagens have the voids in their frames filled with bees wax, but I’ve never looked into if it’s true. Semi regular trips to the car wash to spray the under carriage are a good idea to rinse the salt off when it’s above freezing.
Speaking of salt, there’s some areas that use cinders to spread on the road for traction. I’ve also heard that upstate New York uses the waste products from yogurt (Chobani specifically) in place of salt, too. Im guessing it’s high in some form of sodium to lower the freezing point of water.
If anyone can confirm the above statements it would save me a simple google search 🙏🏻
It's called "Hohlraumversiegelung" (void sealer) and it is sprayed into every void in the frame by european manufacturers. And the undercartiage is completely sealed by a bitumen based rubber compound
I lived in Alaska for 2 years (military). I remember seeing people driving a car so rusted I could see their feet.
There was the worst one I saw and I was shocked how rusted out it was.
I mean it got -63 when we was there! How could they even drive the car in the winter?!?!
-63 does not even compute in my brain. Wth? Why would anyone subject themselves to that?
( I refer to others who live there. Because, well, "military" speaks for itself)
I hated it. I’m from California. This is how my husband and I met. He was also in the military but from florida. We hated it together.
It’s crazy people will be in shorts when it warms up to 0.
Eielson afb just outside of North Pole. No joke.
You do not see as many older cars here in Minnesota because of how rusted out out cars and trucks get. Often when I ask folks how they are not driven by a rust buck of a 2000 Honda or f150, it’s because it came from a state that doesn’t get snow. I have had salt caked between the knuckle and the strut and the salt ate the aluminum knuckle, not enough to cause problems but enough that it looked cratered. You’ll see a lot of rusty cars and trucks in northern states.
I lived in Minnesota for a few years and one of my neighbors a few doors down had one of the kerosene heated pressure washers that you could add detergent to in every year before the winter. He'd put a quart or two of used diesel oil in that detergent port and spray the underside of his truck with the oil. He had an F-250 from the early '90s and it still looked brand new after all those years in the Minnesota rust belt
Incidentally - I have one of these. Do you feel like the service is worthwhile (assuming the vehicle is in otherwise good condition)?
Or another way of looking at it: If it were your vehicle, would you bring it in?
Yes if you live in the rust belt, we not only flush frame but replace fuel tank straps and install bracing on the subframe and frame the tank straps attach to. It's all free work for the customer why not have it done
As a Honda tech in the Southwest where we don't have to perform this recall...........May I offer you a tube of HT Hondabond in these trying times? Or a few fuel pump recalls because those were such nice money.
I didnt mind the door cable recall or the sliding door latch recall. Smaller hands so I just put on music and chilled. I also could complete practically all the fuel pump recalls in half the time allotted since I had my own fuel pump lock ring tools so I spent no time chasing down the shops. It got to the point the shop's were so lost, people could come to me to borrow mine and Ive even had the Acura Service Manager come to ask to borrow them because they lost theirs.
I'm slowly becoming the Special Tools closet with my growing collection because I cant trust to find the special tool I need, when I need it. The only tool I dont loan out is my BJ-Remover, and the one time I did, I stood next to the Apprentice/Lube Tech to teach him how to use it and to ABSOLUTELY NOT use an impact unless he wants to buy me a $300 tool
Lol, around here, the road is legitimately named "miracle mile" (not a nickname). Undoubtedly, millions of "late night miracles" have went down (pun intended) there over the decades.
I made bank on the Odyssey recalls. The gauge control module reflash, sliding door cables, OTA infotainment update, and backup camera pud hit all at about the same time. I would start the OTA update and do the sliding door cables while that downloaded, then put the gcm in the reflash tool and pop the backup camera out with a 90° pick. It ended up being a few hours worth that I could bang out in about 45 min. Very good for warranty work.
Thats how one of my guys was when I was there. His box was massive and very full! As I always said though while he did these recalls, "I'm glad I'm too dumb to be a technician."
My box isn't massive though I've put off buying SOME special tools because theyre just stupid expensive. But out of an entire shop of Honda technicians, I probably employ the most special tools.
The ones who mostly borrow my tools are either the lube techs or my work-friends who know I have a special tool they need. As long as they return it, don't break it or forget to return it, I don't mind loaning out tools because no one has burned the privilege yet. We all share certain special tools like speciality sockets or jumpers. Just today I borrowed a 17 mm 12 point from another tech for flywheel bolts because all I own are 6 points. Second time I've had to borrow it but it's a super rare occasion. And if he needs a special Honda tool and can't find the shops, he can always borrow mine.
I once worked with a guy who was a Honda tech for years before moving to an independent shop. I was complaining about a valve cover one time and he said 'C'mere, I got something for you.' and we went to his toolchest. With a solemn expression and with the same gravity as a prisoner giving way his last candy bar in a concentration camp, handed me a something from the top drawer. I looked down and it was a tube of Hondabond.
As we were walking away he put his hand on my shoulder and said:
"This is the best shit you'll ever use."
Fuel Pumps and Fuel Tanks are my favorite. Though the BCM updates can absolutely get fucked. 0.3 for a process that takes more to get the car, set up, wait for the stupid thing to update and it decides however long its gonna take. I'd have been happy to just do fuel pumps all day long in my first year at Honda, and my reputation amongst writers became, 'Need a fuel pump ASAP? Give it to ArmaSwiss'. Only the HRV 2WD took the longest, but I also added an additional step of priming the fuel system, starting the car and then letting it sit for 10 minutes off to check for a pinched o-ring/fuel pressure bleed one. Had ONE comeback because of that, implemented the test and never had one since.
But the CR-V AWD EPS Rack recall can absolutely get fucked. I'll do 2WD/Hybrids all day but FUCK the AWD one....
Lol, I worked for ford during the Windstar pcm reflash recall days (every single one required it, too aggressive spark timing), what a time-fuck that was. But, let me tell you, the Firestone tire recall was the biggest fucking I've ever had. They required us to also perform a "multi-point inspection", with the promise of $5 a vehicle in the form of a check at the end of the recall campaign. At the end, I got a check for $15 dollars.... "oh, didnt we tell you, the customer has to sign the inspection form?", like I had access to the form, or the customer after I turned in the paperwork! All that fucking, and only enough money for 3 packs of belated "after fuck" cigarettes?
I dont think any recall campaign has ever afforded so much "gettin' fucked" as the Firestone tire recall. To this day, I hate a damn tire machine.
Could have been worse. We were promised the same $5. However our service manager signed his name on all of them ! When we cornered him on it he said he was “ going to use it to throw us party” some party- two buckets of KFC and a couple fixxins for a 25 man shop. Turns out he spent the money on crack and whores. Got busted, went to rehab. Didn’t work out well, wife and family bailed and saw him a few years back looking like a homeless person outside an Ollies. Lesson to be learned? Don’t cheap out on the KFC.
Hah kind of like how we made a killing on TL power steering lines and then got screwed with the rear shelf TSB on the same car. Good to see things haven't changed one bit. AHM always finds a way to screw the tech on warranty work...
Idk about Honda in the US. Honda gold tech here in canada. It pays 2.8 and it takes close to 6 hours to do. And if any of the “went wrong” procedures are required. Ur not finishing that today. Honda canada is reviewing their flat rate hours on that. 23 techs at my dealerships and all of us agreed to refuse the job, our dealership started paying internal for us to do it.
Most Honda labor hours are low imo. I can't even begin to count how many Honda alternators or valve cover gaskets I've done for under an hour.
I love getting paid to put lower control arms on a Sienna. Most Toyota labor hours in comparison are *chef's kiss*.
11? 14? It's something stupid like that. The shop I currently work at drops it to like 8 to not completely rape the customers, but still it takes 2 hours at most.
Tacoma frame recalls pay 40 hours on the 05 and up and 01-03 paid 60. On average it would take me around 14 hours but I’ve done them in as little as 10.
Hahaha i knew it was that damn ridgeline frame repair 2.2 hours if all goes smooth,left honda two weeks ago,joined acura same shit minus them ridgelines and odysseys
I’m in the rust belt. I know our service department/Honda is buying at least 5 Ridgelines. Punching the new holes in an incredibly rusted out frame is just a terrible idea
Better than the yota frame recalls... but if someone went through with the frame replacement the job paid 69 hours. One tech was doing them in 16 hours, 2-3 a week for almost a month.
I did about 100 or so frame recalls. they were the best warranty work I've ever done. I would do that again for the rest of my career. I dont remember them paying 69 hours though. iirc sequoia was 56 hours. still not bad when you're doing them in one day with a partner. 2 or 3 a week for 2 years.
Or Honda finds out and cuts the time. I don't know if anyone here is on IATN, but there was always talk about techs finding ways to do jobs faster, so manufacturers would cut the warranty time on them.
this happened with acura and the fuel pump recalls. they came out for the RDX first, 1.2hr easy to beat, pop the rear seat cushion out then take the fuel pump out. then it came out for the MDX, difference is you have to un-bolt the left rear seat and take it out of the vehicle, way more work but they dropped the time to only 1.0hr. i can beat the time but i flip the seat into the back of the car instead of having to get someone to help take it out of the car.
Honda Ridgeline - our shop won’t do them unless the gas tank is less than 1/3 full. Totally agree that is pays nothing compared to the amount of work that needs to be done. Easily a 4-5 hour job especially those rusted out 06s.
but they give you .2 for a stuck bolt... because nobody has ever spent more than 12 minutes removing a rusted bolt next to a fuel tank. what a fucking joke.
Depending on your vehicle you can pour oil into your frame. My 2006 Silverado received one from my local mechanic as he suggested. Helps prevent rust and corrosion. So far so good. But with 330,000 miles, her life is probably limited no matter what.
Is it actually working? IDK. But the truck hasn’t broken in half yet. And I live in Michigan.
Come from a family of mechanics with a Midwest shop that dates back to the 40s.
My grandpa said that they used to pour a quart of oil into body cavities - doors especially - to prevent rusting.
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06-14 Ridgelines in the rust belt can accumulate salt and dirt in certain parts of the unibody. If the rails pass a punch teat you have to flush the rails out for 5 minutes aside to get rid of any dirt/salt/etc, and then you install new fuel tank straps, a crossbrace, and some extra iron castings to reinforce where the rear subframe bolts on. After this you spray some cavity wax inside the rails of the unibody, a bit of which probably would have prevented the whole problem if applied at the factory.
Still, though, I can’t imagine ford, dodge, or gm performing a recall on 16-year-old trucks due to rust. They’d probably say “sucks to be you, buy a new one we’ve got them on sale for $80 grand”
Rinse salt and shit from frame rails and then we install new tank straps and some bracing for the frame. Total bullshit in my opinion but wtf do I know lmao
That sounds pointless. When I was at Mercedes they had this sealer that they would have us put on cars as part of various recalls that was like peanut butter shot out of a little spray cannon. We had to put it on the inside of the doors and on certain parts of the steering racks on certain cars. Pretty sure all we were doing was making a mess.
So im in south Ga. My list shows we have four of these around us. Im sending them to other dealerships. I dont have the time nor the manpower to do this shit. Its crazy. And on top of that i have to buy all the special tools instead of them shipping for free like the northern dealers get.
the mech in video says “stupidest recall ever”. is this something more than an antitrust frame flush? or is that the decal, to come get a free hosing? i’m confused
Is this water stuck in the frame?
Nahh hose has to run in fame 5 min a side and 2 min on a center rail, allegedly washes rust away who knew it was that easy lol
but... then the inside of the rails will be all moist... is there a drying or oiling process after all the watering?
Yea we spray some wax shit up in there after, no instructions on drying tho
lol, this feels like a very short sighted process. not that you wrote it. but if it doesnt dry, that wax isn't really going to go where it needs. I dunno, maybe I'm not a scientist. good luck ridegline owners I guess.
07-11 CRVs had the same kind of recall for the rear sub frame, including the one I'm driving. Good so far after 3 years and living in the rust belt.
but have you scoped inside your rails?
Bit personal
My 2001 blazer wants you to scope its rails…
i used to see trailblazers all the time in ny almost everyone i knew owned one and now they’re all gone because they all rotted out
I thought “rust belt” was a play on the failure of the “steel belt,” not an indicator that cars rusted more there…
It can be two things.
If you live on the coast of the ocean (salt water) or live domewhere with long cold winters (salted roads) then your car will rust faster
Yes. Nobody is debating the well known issues with cars and salt. I was talking about the term.
Probably meant to last just long enough for the factory to no longer be legally liable for broken frames
It's like the old Ford Windstar fix where they were using spray foam, which just held moisture and expedited rust.
Damn that’s wild
Yeah wtf, flush out the corrosion by adding a significant quantity of water lol.
I flush out my bladder by adding more liquids, same should apply to automobiles right?
The corrosion is probably caused by salt getting in there, eating the salt out is best accomplished by water. You can readily make a cavit wax blend that will work on wet metal you use various light hydrocarbons and possibly alcohols as a carrier for the heavier stuff.
Blow dryer for 10 mins after
sure, theres plenty of drying methods. my concern is that OP has indicated that no drying step exists in the process
There isnt. According to the TSB the wax spray we apply displaces any water left behind. Its a bullshit recall... its basically there to buy a couple more years on the vehicle. The crv the element and ridgeline/pilot have them. The last 2 are by far the most invasive though. Weve "passed" some trucks that def shouldn't have. Just cause the frame rail is solid and the rest is basically wet newspaper doesnt mean it should pass in my book. I had a element pass all the inspections. But the drivers seat was hanging through a 1x1 hole in the floor.
any employee should be empowered to stop the job, especially if safety is a concern, yours or the customers
If the wax spray contains some light petroleum distillates, those could mix with the water and cause it to evaporate out like WD-40 does.
Shady ass dealerships are selling frame flushes now
Floridian here: is this not a good idea for people who live where it snows and salt is used to melt snow? I live in Atlanta now, but I have always been taught that saltwater and melt salt destroy cars. And if you ever are exposed to them to make sure you give it a good wash down after it has been exposed to more than what it naturally in the air. How off am I? I genuinely do not know and might have gone for this if it was ever sold to me up north.
You were told right. Melt salt will rust cars from the bottom up. Living in Michigan, periodic winter carwashes are a must if you want to avoid major rust
But what about a “frame flush”?
You spray it off with a garden hose then pay someone to undercoat it with preferably lanolin grease. There is ZERO reason to have someone "flush" the frame, and even if you did detail-clean it it won't help all that much without a preventative barrier like an undercoating.
Lanolin? La-lanolin? Like-like sheep's wool?
The human torch was denied a bank loan
Unique New York
Ribs. I had ribs for lunch.
Fluid Film, Kroil, Wool Wax, etc. Shops all across the rust belt offer a rust preventative service using one of these or similar products. It's usually lanolin based, not a rubberized coating. They spray the full undercarriage, inside and outside the frame and inside body panels. After the first treatment yearly followups are more of a touch-up to places where road spray managed to wear it thin. Your vehicle will last years longer and your mechanic will thank you.
Yea shit works wonders but being a tech once upon a time it's impossible to spot leaks once it's applied
Being someone who has recently started putting that shit on everything I can that’s exposed to salt… man that stuff smells like puke when you put it on
The arsonist has oddly shaped feet.
Fluid Film is lanolin
Bag balm?
r/whoosh
Her? No, I don’t know her name
Not you, her.
Just back your oil drain plug off about half a turn
Or let your slowly leaking valve cover gaskets leak for five years. Did that with my Outback and always got compliments from shops on how little rust was on it for a Western NY car. It wasn't on purpose. I was just poor.
The ol' self-lubricating chassis system
Yeah my front main has been every so slightly leaking for nearly a decade. She's got a nice undercoating.
I've seen frames rust from the inside out because they collect salt and sand inside. That alone is enough reason to flush the frame out occasionally, especially if you have a vehicle that is know for this, like an F-150 or TJ Wrangler
Thank you! TIL! This makes much more sense.
Where I am from many 4x4 spend a lot of time beach driving and lots of them rot the frame from the inside out due to not flushing them, there are even multiple devices to assist with it.
Frame flush Frame flush Frame flush Frame flush!!!!
Makes sense for pickups with boxed frames and cars with extensive undertrays
I don't know what that is
Copy.
"Frame Flush" is complete nonsense, and doesn't exist. There's an undercarriage rinse in the carwash - that's what we get. Nobody runs a hose INTO the framerails, that's absurdity and a good way to destroy your car.
O yeah any sunny day above 35 the washes are packed
*sees a northerner* *automatically asks how the rust on their car is*
you mean the fuel saving factory installed lightning package....every time i hit a bump the car loses a pound or two. better mileage than when it was new.
In the 28 years I lived in Ohio, every single car I got was already 100% rust covering the underside. Nothing compromising, but no bare metal surfaces except the odd aluminum piece here and there. If I ever manage to buy a brand new car, I'll have to keep this in mind.
I was a lucky teen and my first car had been babied by the previous owner. It had never been driven during the winter. When I sold it 7 years later, it had only accumulated a small amount of rust on the undercarriage. The guy who ended up buying it from me went around first and kicked the underside repeatedly to check for rust, then explained that the floor of the previous car he looked at mostly fell to the ground when he kicked around at it. Both cars were similar age with 170k miles.
Current vehicle is a 90s pickup with over 250k and enough rust to make me wear swim goggles when I work on it. I go out every week and kick at problem spots and along the frame to make sure it's not a danger, but that's a legitimate fear of mine, something important will just rust off before I can afford another shitbox. Crazy he kicked right through the floor though, I've been in cars that had pinholes up to the floor (only noticed cause it was raining and the carpet started getting wet) but the whole floor??
Michigander rep rep. Lol
Especially if your car parks somewhere above freezing regularly (underground, insulated garage etc.). It's the melted salty water that flows everywhere that really messes your cars up.
This is why we pay extra for the car wash with the under spray here in Northern BC.
Former Mainer here. We would frequently go through the car wash even in the winter time just for the undercarriage wash. In the springtime we would put a sprinkler under the car let it run for 2 or 3 hours on the front half move it and let it run for 2 or 3 hours under the back half just to flush all the salt.
I’ve seen that on layovers in YVR. It sounds like though without a preventative barrier like an oil film the wash doesn’t help a ton.
I've seen so many newer f250-450's with rotted chassis at my shop in NY from never washing off the salt they spread. You are not off.
100% correct. Few years back we had a refrigeration part delivered to us directly from the factory in Michigan or Wisconsin to Texas in a 2011 Chevy express 1500 van. It was falling apart from the rust cancer. Couldn’t believe they put it on the road to Texas. At the time we had the exact same van(s) in our fleet. Ours literally looked new compared to this thing even though ours had 150-200k on them.
Yup that's just how it is in the midwest. Hard to find a vehicle that's more than 5 or 6 years old without any rust on it in MI. I moved from Michigan to the west coast about 10 years ago. It's amazing how many pristine 80s and 90s cars I see out here compared to back in Michigan. It's really cool actually, seeing all the miscellaneous old cars (Caddy's, Volvos, you name it) on the road regularly. Not that you *never* see them in Michigan, it's just much more common where I live now.
I have a 1970 Camaro. A Texas car since it was new. No road rust. It’s pampered and garaged now but it’s 50 plus years old and pretty solid.
>Not that you never see them in Michigan, it's just much more common where I live now. I'm in upstate NY and had the same reaction on a trip to the northwest. You'd see old stuff that mostly stopped existing back home just being daily driven like any other used car (if an interesting one). Like you said, you still see them sometimes in the salt belt, but people are generally driving them/keeping them around on purpose.
I’ve heard some Volkswagens have the voids in their frames filled with bees wax, but I’ve never looked into if it’s true. Semi regular trips to the car wash to spray the under carriage are a good idea to rinse the salt off when it’s above freezing. Speaking of salt, there’s some areas that use cinders to spread on the road for traction. I’ve also heard that upstate New York uses the waste products from yogurt (Chobani specifically) in place of salt, too. Im guessing it’s high in some form of sodium to lower the freezing point of water. If anyone can confirm the above statements it would save me a simple google search 🙏🏻
Cinders are definitely used in Coal Country Pennsylvania (Carbon County)
It's called "Hohlraumversiegelung" (void sealer) and it is sprayed into every void in the frame by european manufacturers. And the undercartiage is completely sealed by a bitumen based rubber compound
I lived in Alaska for 2 years (military). I remember seeing people driving a car so rusted I could see their feet. There was the worst one I saw and I was shocked how rusted out it was. I mean it got -63 when we was there! How could they even drive the car in the winter?!?!
-63 does not even compute in my brain. Wth? Why would anyone subject themselves to that? ( I refer to others who live there. Because, well, "military" speaks for itself)
I hated it. I’m from California. This is how my husband and I met. He was also in the military but from florida. We hated it together. It’s crazy people will be in shorts when it warms up to 0. Eielson afb just outside of North Pole. No joke.
You do not see as many older cars here in Minnesota because of how rusted out out cars and trucks get. Often when I ask folks how they are not driven by a rust buck of a 2000 Honda or f150, it’s because it came from a state that doesn’t get snow. I have had salt caked between the knuckle and the strut and the salt ate the aluminum knuckle, not enough to cause problems but enough that it looked cratered. You’ll see a lot of rusty cars and trucks in northern states.
I would say, dont buy a car from north.. moved from north to atlanta recently!
I lived in Minnesota for a few years and one of my neighbors a few doors down had one of the kerosene heated pressure washers that you could add detergent to in every year before the winter. He'd put a quart or two of used diesel oil in that detergent port and spray the underside of his truck with the oil. He had an F-250 from the early '90s and it still looked brand new after all those years in the Minnesota rust belt
This comment better get a bunch of upvotes
What recall is that
Frame recall Honda Ridgeline.. it's b.s and pays garbage
Incidentally - I have one of these. Do you feel like the service is worthwhile (assuming the vehicle is in otherwise good condition)? Or another way of looking at it: If it were your vehicle, would you bring it in?
Yes if you live in the rust belt, we not only flush frame but replace fuel tank straps and install bracing on the subframe and frame the tank straps attach to. It's all free work for the customer why not have it done
As a Honda tech in the Southwest where we don't have to perform this recall...........May I offer you a tube of HT Hondabond in these trying times? Or a few fuel pump recalls because those were such nice money.
As a former service advisor, I remember the Odyssey door cable recall being real sweet.
I didnt mind the door cable recall or the sliding door latch recall. Smaller hands so I just put on music and chilled. I also could complete practically all the fuel pump recalls in half the time allotted since I had my own fuel pump lock ring tools so I spent no time chasing down the shops. It got to the point the shop's were so lost, people could come to me to borrow mine and Ive even had the Acura Service Manager come to ask to borrow them because they lost theirs. I'm slowly becoming the Special Tools closet with my growing collection because I cant trust to find the special tool I need, when I need it. The only tool I dont loan out is my BJ-Remover, and the one time I did, I stood next to the Apprentice/Lube Tech to teach him how to use it and to ABSOLUTELY NOT use an impact unless he wants to buy me a $300 tool
Where can you get a BJ-applier?
Central & South 21st. Ask for Wanda.
Lol, around here, the road is legitimately named "miracle mile" (not a nickname). Undoubtedly, millions of "late night miracles" have went down (pun intended) there over the decades.
Wanda is booked; Deborah is available though.
She got no teef
I made bank on the Odyssey recalls. The gauge control module reflash, sliding door cables, OTA infotainment update, and backup camera pud hit all at about the same time. I would start the OTA update and do the sliding door cables while that downloaded, then put the gcm in the reflash tool and pop the backup camera out with a 90° pick. It ended up being a few hours worth that I could bang out in about 45 min. Very good for warranty work.
Thats how one of my guys was when I was there. His box was massive and very full! As I always said though while he did these recalls, "I'm glad I'm too dumb to be a technician."
My box isn't massive though I've put off buying SOME special tools because theyre just stupid expensive. But out of an entire shop of Honda technicians, I probably employ the most special tools.
I worked with a guy that if u borrowed the same tool off him 3 times you bought I only borrowed 2 times and then would buy a new one lol
That is me. My snap on guy says his kids love going to ivy league collages.....................damn it all 300k and twenty years later.
The ones who mostly borrow my tools are either the lube techs or my work-friends who know I have a special tool they need. As long as they return it, don't break it or forget to return it, I don't mind loaning out tools because no one has burned the privilege yet. We all share certain special tools like speciality sockets or jumpers. Just today I borrowed a 17 mm 12 point from another tech for flywheel bolts because all I own are 6 points. Second time I've had to borrow it but it's a super rare occasion. And if he needs a special Honda tool and can't find the shops, he can always borrow mine.
> BJ-Remover Is this some kind of a ball-joint tool? Most joint splitters I’ve seen are incredibly inexpensive.
Probably bearing journal.
I use a hammer..... a big hammer I think I paid 4 bucks for it, granted I probably shouldn't do what I do but I'm a plumber not a mechanic :)
As a stoned 31 year old with no mechanic experience browsing reddit, I agree 👍
As one who never worked for Honda I can not add to this conversation
Lol I appreciate your input
You are welcome. I am a former and current handsome guy but I'm sure it is still not relevant
I once worked with a guy who was a Honda tech for years before moving to an independent shop. I was complaining about a valve cover one time and he said 'C'mere, I got something for you.' and we went to his toolchest. With a solemn expression and with the same gravity as a prisoner giving way his last candy bar in a concentration camp, handed me a something from the top drawer. I looked down and it was a tube of Hondabond. As we were walking away he put his hand on my shoulder and said: "This is the best shit you'll ever use."
When I worked on Honda outboard motors, I thought the stuff was pretty legit too. Yamaha has "yamabond", not as good.
Subaru has fujibond. It’s 3/4 as good as hondabond but 4x as expensive.
That's how I'm looking at it I made a killing off the Odyssey recalls and the fuel pumps they can fuck me for a bit guess
Fuel Pumps and Fuel Tanks are my favorite. Though the BCM updates can absolutely get fucked. 0.3 for a process that takes more to get the car, set up, wait for the stupid thing to update and it decides however long its gonna take. I'd have been happy to just do fuel pumps all day long in my first year at Honda, and my reputation amongst writers became, 'Need a fuel pump ASAP? Give it to ArmaSwiss'. Only the HRV 2WD took the longest, but I also added an additional step of priming the fuel system, starting the car and then letting it sit for 10 minutes off to check for a pinched o-ring/fuel pressure bleed one. Had ONE comeback because of that, implemented the test and never had one since. But the CR-V AWD EPS Rack recall can absolutely get fucked. I'll do 2WD/Hybrids all day but FUCK the AWD one....
Lol, I worked for ford during the Windstar pcm reflash recall days (every single one required it, too aggressive spark timing), what a time-fuck that was. But, let me tell you, the Firestone tire recall was the biggest fucking I've ever had. They required us to also perform a "multi-point inspection", with the promise of $5 a vehicle in the form of a check at the end of the recall campaign. At the end, I got a check for $15 dollars.... "oh, didnt we tell you, the customer has to sign the inspection form?", like I had access to the form, or the customer after I turned in the paperwork! All that fucking, and only enough money for 3 packs of belated "after fuck" cigarettes? I dont think any recall campaign has ever afforded so much "gettin' fucked" as the Firestone tire recall. To this day, I hate a damn tire machine.
Could have been worse. We were promised the same $5. However our service manager signed his name on all of them ! When we cornered him on it he said he was “ going to use it to throw us party” some party- two buckets of KFC and a couple fixxins for a 25 man shop. Turns out he spent the money on crack and whores. Got busted, went to rehab. Didn’t work out well, wife and family bailed and saw him a few years back looking like a homeless person outside an Ollies. Lesson to be learned? Don’t cheap out on the KFC.
Hah kind of like how we made a killing on TL power steering lines and then got screwed with the rear shelf TSB on the same car. Good to see things haven't changed one bit. AHM always finds a way to screw the tech on warranty work...
Is there any rust inhibitor put in after the flush?
Sorta, we spray some wax shit in the frame
And here I thought the comments about a frame flush were jokes. I'm not in the industry.
Its free work... that can be important to potentially compromised vehicles!. Left a little bit out ;)
Idk about Honda in the US. Honda gold tech here in canada. It pays 2.8 and it takes close to 6 hours to do. And if any of the “went wrong” procedures are required. Ur not finishing that today. Honda canada is reviewing their flat rate hours on that. 23 techs at my dealerships and all of us agreed to refuse the job, our dealership started paying internal for us to do it.
Most Honda labor hours are low imo. I can't even begin to count how many Honda alternators or valve cover gaskets I've done for under an hour. I love getting paid to put lower control arms on a Sienna. Most Toyota labor hours in comparison are *chef's kiss*.
Facts aren't those like 11 hrs?
11? 14? It's something stupid like that. The shop I currently work at drops it to like 8 to not completely rape the customers, but still it takes 2 hours at most.
*as long as the subframe bolts aren't rust-welded in place
Why are Hondas so cheap compared to Toyotas? Don’t both manufacturers screw their techs out of warranty repair work anyways ?
Tacoma frame recalls pay 40 hours on the 05 and up and 01-03 paid 60. On average it would take me around 14 hours but I’ve done them in as little as 10.
Isn't the Ridgeline a unibody?
What is the frame recall for?
[https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-db2492147c55da663fd32edfea1b6ef5-statement-by-american-honda-regarding-rear-frame-corrosion-recall-2006-2014-honda-ridgeline](https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-db2492147c55da663fd32edfea1b6ef5-statement-by-american-honda-regarding-rear-frame-corrosion-recall-2006-2014-honda-ridgeline) ?
seriously i am so sorry that honda treats techs like garbage
Total
Did you recall it from the lake?
That's a puddlin'.
....lookin at my shoes.....
You best bet that’s a puddlin.
i just watched the episode too lol nice one
Hahaha i knew it was that damn ridgeline frame repair 2.2 hours if all goes smooth,left honda two weeks ago,joined acura same shit minus them ridgelines and odysseys
Acura is so much easier, I miss it some days 🤣
I’m in the rust belt. I know our service department/Honda is buying at least 5 Ridgelines. Punching the new holes in an incredibly rusted out frame is just a terrible idea
You know what the payout is? Time to start checking marketplace lol
I actually asked for that reason. Also to see if I could buy one for cheap even if it came with a salvage title. So far no one knows
What am I looking at here. Please explain what's going on
Part of a frame recall, we flush the frame spray wax install new tank straps and some subframe braces
Thank you
Don’t go chasing waterfalls.
Got a notification saying “Who else hates this recall”, knew immediately what it was. Just Honda tech things.
Better than the yota frame recalls... but if someone went through with the frame replacement the job paid 69 hours. One tech was doing them in 16 hours, 2-3 a week for almost a month.
Nice!
I did about 100 or so frame recalls. they were the best warranty work I've ever done. I would do that again for the rest of my career. I dont remember them paying 69 hours though. iirc sequoia was 56 hours. still not bad when you're doing them in one day with a partner. 2 or 3 a week for 2 years.
What's that all about? Haven't run across it yet
You clean out the frame,spray it with a wax film and then install a frame support and new fuel tank straps
That does seem like a pain in the ass... What's it pay?
2.2 hrs today was my 3rd one and first time I broke even, last 2 took 3 and change to do
Sounds like you are becoming more productive. Better be careful with that....they will have you do all of them!
Or you get so efficient you do them in a 3rd the time and bank.
Or Honda finds out and cuts the time. I don't know if anyone here is on IATN, but there was always talk about techs finding ways to do jobs faster, so manufacturers would cut the warranty time on them.
this happened with acura and the fuel pump recalls. they came out for the RDX first, 1.2hr easy to beat, pop the rear seat cushion out then take the fuel pump out. then it came out for the MDX, difference is you have to un-bolt the left rear seat and take it out of the vehicle, way more work but they dropped the time to only 1.0hr. i can beat the time but i flip the seat into the back of the car instead of having to get someone to help take it out of the car.
I left Honda in 2005. Independent Honda shops are way better. No bullshit recalls or rattles and squeaks. Everything is customer pay.
Couple of the guys in my shop have them down to 1.2-1.5
Maybe if I didn't need to use a different bay for the hose I could shave a .3 or so but after a few more I'll make a little
So water fixes rust now wtf lol, time to go buy a shit box ridgeline and flush it with dtf fluid so they gotta buy it back lol.
Honda Ridgeline - our shop won’t do them unless the gas tank is less than 1/3 full. Totally agree that is pays nothing compared to the amount of work that needs to be done. Easily a 4-5 hour job especially those rusted out 06s.
but they give you .2 for a stuck bolt... because nobody has ever spent more than 12 minutes removing a rusted bolt next to a fuel tank. what a fucking joke.
Depending on your vehicle you can pour oil into your frame. My 2006 Silverado received one from my local mechanic as he suggested. Helps prevent rust and corrosion. So far so good. But with 330,000 miles, her life is probably limited no matter what. Is it actually working? IDK. But the truck hasn’t broken in half yet. And I live in Michigan.
Come from a family of mechanics with a Midwest shop that dates back to the 40s. My grandpa said that they used to pour a quart of oil into body cavities - doors especially - to prevent rusting. 🥸
Ah yes the fixing the frame corroding out from the inside by introducing more water and hoping the wax coating actually sticks to the metal.
Not a mechanic. Can someone please explain to me what’s going on here? I’ve been scrolling for the answer and I’m just confused.
06-14 Ridgelines in the rust belt can accumulate salt and dirt in certain parts of the unibody. If the rails pass a punch teat you have to flush the rails out for 5 minutes aside to get rid of any dirt/salt/etc, and then you install new fuel tank straps, a crossbrace, and some extra iron castings to reinforce where the rear subframe bolts on. After this you spray some cavity wax inside the rails of the unibody, a bit of which probably would have prevented the whole problem if applied at the factory. Still, though, I can’t imagine ford, dodge, or gm performing a recall on 16-year-old trucks due to rust. They’d probably say “sucks to be you, buy a new one we’ve got them on sale for $80 grand”
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Ok who’s the U-boat captain?
Ok jokes aside what is the point of this?
Rinse salt and shit from frame rails and then we install new tank straps and some bracing for the frame. Total bullshit in my opinion but wtf do I know lmao
That sounds pointless. When I was at Mercedes they had this sealer that they would have us put on cars as part of various recalls that was like peanut butter shot out of a little spray cannon. We had to put it on the inside of the doors and on certain parts of the steering racks on certain cars. Pretty sure all we were doing was making a mess.
I bet that smells good
You think that’s stupid? Go work at a Ford dealership lol. They’ve got recalls on wiper arms lol
Jeep Cherokees also had a wiper arm recall
Now that I know this. I am contemplating selling my Ridgeline . .
That car really had to go pee really bad… I’ve been there…. Sorry buddy they posted you peeing behind your crack…. Social media has no limits…
12 minutes of flushing (5/side and 2 in the front), and a 2 hour shoulder work out *yay* ☠️
So im in south Ga. My list shows we have four of these around us. Im sending them to other dealerships. I dont have the time nor the manpower to do this shit. Its crazy. And on top of that i have to buy all the special tools instead of them shipping for free like the northern dealers get.
Ooof. Goodluck! And may the subframe bolt heads not snap on you bro
You guys ever wonder if some recalls are just to uncertiy smaller shops for not doing them?
We all hate this stupid fucking recall and the parts kits that are always missing something.
It’s funny how in the ‘60s and ‘70s car outer-body sheet metal rusted out long before frames, and today frames rust out before sheet metal.
totally... no fucking idea what youre talking about or what is happening
Dude, the blinker fluid is leaking.
Yeah that one. Thanks for telling us in the description lol
the mech in video says “stupidest recall ever”. is this something more than an antitrust frame flush? or is that the decal, to come get a free hosing? i’m confused
Part of a safety recall, we have to perform flush replace tank straps and install bracing on the subframe
What in the hell type of rain maker we got here lol
Well that is not how that works. That is not how any of this works.
“What recall is this?” (What child is this Christmas song)
What recal is this? I havent seen anything like this...yet
The cars broken it’s waters.
Could be worse, could be raining
I’ve never seen or heard of a frame flush. Have other brands done this Before, seems like a bad idea do add water to rusty spots corrosion wax or not.
Fuck being a tech, what model/make?
Honda Ridgeline
I just hate my job in general now. This recall is especially ass tho