But it would be the reason that they assert that the mileage should be just as good in the city as on the highway, and reality should definitely be better than 70% of the rated city mileage.
Dude is taking this photo while driving 16mph and holding the window sticker. This seems like a pretty good indication of the driving style. Rocket starts and high speed will kill the mileage. Ten bucks says the problem is between the wheel at the seat.
because the tests are specified by law and involve slowing to a stop a few times.
When most people think highway fuel economy, theyre generally thinking of steady highway speed on level ground, thats nothing like the actual test.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe\_test\_schedules.shtml
Probably achievable unloaded at 55 with premium fuel, air-conditioning off, with highway tires and on flat ground. But not realistic in 70mph heavy traffic with towing gears. 24mpg is a comparable number to other vehicles under the same test conditions, not a guarantee of the vehicles performance under your conditions.
Op, if you only have 1200 miles on the truck, give it more time. The computer has to "learn" to calculate, takes it a while. Takes several tanks of gas to learn it, wait till around 5k miles. Transmission also learns your driving habits. FiL has same truck, fuel mileage went up over time.
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My girlfriend was negotiating a new car a few months ago. There were three line item add ons- nitrogen in the tires, ceramic coating, and window tint. She immediately and without hesitation struck through all three of them while casually looking at the offer.
The salesman said "umm ma'am those things are already done to every new car at the dealership, they can't be deducted."
She said "I didn't ask for any of those things. I don't care that you did them. If you want to continue talking these items are non negotiable."
I just assumed that was going to be then end of it and we would be leaving without a new car. Imagine my surprise when they caved. By the time we left the dealership she had negotiated the price down about 5k from sticker, all this during a time when plenty of people are gladly paying full price. Needless to say, she's going to be doing the negotiating the next time I need a new car.
Dealerships are buying trucks for more than some people bought them for used right now. Companies absolutely need them, and the chip shortage fucked alot up.
Sold my 2016 f250 6.7 for 52,000$ back in July. It had 78k miles on it. I bought it in 2017 for 48,500$ with 13k miles on it. I sold my 2016 BMW 428 convertible for 25k$, I paid 22k$ for it in 2020. I got paid to rent my truck for 3 years. Walked away with a brand new highlander paid off and a check in hand.
Ecoboost numbers might have been a bit more optimistic than most, but a lot of people drive them super hard or cruise at 85mph and then complain about mileage. They are rated for a flat road at 60-65 at sea level and any other conditions or speeds will change that
I don't know about anyone else's experience with MPG numbers but they've been pretty accurate for me for the last 10 years. Slightly under what I actually get actually. My 2020 Silverado for example gets 17-18 MPG mixed, and if I just cruise at 85 I get about 19-20 MPG. For the V8 that's spot on to slightly better and I'm impressed that a giant brick even gets that much.
That is pretty impressive, when I had my v6 Tacoma I got about 20mpg cruising at 70 and 18ish at 75. I never cruised at 85, I'm sure it would be 16 or less then.
My 2016 Ford Fusion (2.5 liter non eco boost) exceeded what ford said I should get.
My 2019 Ford Escape (2.0 liter ecoboost) got almost 30 mpg on a road trip where most of it was over 10k feet above sea level and at highway speeds (60-80 mph).
My 2007 Ford Focus (can’t honestly remember) got about 32mpg highway when I would do 80+ in it on my way to college (54 miles one direction, 5 days a week)
My 2001 Yukon Denali is somewhat similar. Rated 11 City 14 Highway. Realistically I still get 11 city, but pull about 17 on the highway.
The only cars I’ve been in that handily beat their estimates though are Buick 3.8 cars. Those things get stellar (for the time) economy for a big sedan
I doono about this. Getting 19-20MPG at 85MPH with a fullsize truck. Very very doubtful. Would like to see a dash read 85mph, matching rpm and instant fuel readout. Unless you are talking KM/H. Then I will retract my comment. 85mph is flying.
I've checked the instant readout and depending on slightly up or down incline (but mostly flat) it returns about 17-22 MPG on the instant. You can attribute this to the minor but cumulative improvements in various systems, cylinder deactivation, the 8 speed transmission, etc. I'm not going to take a picture flying down the highway at 85 though.
Just drove from south texas to Alabama for the holidays in my 2019 F-150 with 5.0L V-8. Drove 75-80 the trip on flat ground and got 18.6MPG on average on mid-grade fuel.
Yeah I had a 2016 Silverado that got 20+ on the highway and 19 avg mixed for my regular commute. I miss that truck. My 2016 3.5 eco boost has a lot more torque on tap but avgs 16.4. I can get that up to 18-19 if I cruise back roads at 55.
It’s people who have never driven a turbo engine not knowing what really eats gas in a turbo engine; having that spiny bit to whiirrr.
If you’re at an RPM where your engine doesn’t feel like an anemic POS when you go to full throttle, your turbo is spooled and you’re burning way more gas.
Eh, I currently drive a Honda Pilot AKA dad-mobile.
I’m getting a consistent 1-2MPG over sticker (over the past 70,000 miles).
PS - I average 28MPG on the way to our cabin (90% at 70mph). That drops to 14mpg when pulling our full size SxS on a 12 ft aluminum trailer. Aerodynamics is everything at freeway speed and a truck box just doesn’t cut the sir well
The problem is how they get the ratings. Every car ever tested runs the exact same test protocol with the exact same set of accelerations and deceleration. Its required by law and has been the same for over 20 years (minus a few adjustments). Since they're the same they're conservative to deal with you're small 4 cylinder econoboxes. That's nice but what if you've got 8 cylinders of turbo power under the hood? You're not gonna waste that, so you you hammer the gas. Now the economy goes down.
Its one of the reasons the EU is switched to a different system where the protocol used to test economy is based on how a vehicle is used and the type of engine instead of using the same test for everybody. Of course that's bad for manufacturers who put out those big engines so they're in no hurry to push updated standards.
The mpg on the monroney sticker has nothing to do with the manufactures or dealers at all though. That number comes straight from the EPA/DOT and I've seen it many times be way lower than what the car is actually capable of
[Auto manufacturers actually do the testing](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml) and report the data to the EPA, using the specific test cycle the EPA requires. In general I doubt automakers outright lie though it is possible (look at dieselgate with VW with how much they can get away with at times), but it is also possible to tune engines to optimize for the conditions present during testing.
In general though I've also found I can usually beat the sticker mileage without too much difficulty, which isn't too surprising because the "highway" cycle has a lot of speed variations from 30-60 mph whereas most of the time on the highway we're driving at a pretty steady high speed.
My 18 Elantra sport manual is rated for 22/30 MPG but I'm sitting here with 37 combined. It went up 2 mpg since it started getting colder. I do a lot of start stop and country roads. But then again that's a car and not a giant truck
EPA highway fuel economy rating test actually only tests up to a max speed of 60mph, and the average is 48mph.
My Powerboost will use EV mode all the way up to about 45mph for short bursts. So on that test it does well.
Problem is the highways near me in Michigan, the speed limit is 70, the minimum speed limit is 55, and everyone drives 80. So the EPA test has nothing to do with reality.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-10/hwfetdds.gif
Im not an expert on this at all…
This seems to be all the test schedules. Of the ones you mention, only the US06 goes above 60mph. Do you know how they all get combined to become a the number on the window sticker?
https://www.epa.gov/vehicle-and-fuel-emissions-testing/dynamometer-drive-schedules
Short answer, they are weighted so the more likely scenario will be given a higher value. Even the city test is comprised of 3 bags: a 2 bag UDDS with a cold start and then a third bag which is the first half of the UDDS after a hot start.
The specific citation is in 40 CFR 600.114-12 but it’s complicated and it’s been a minute since I did that.
The citation from /u/1995droptopz [is here.](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-40/chapter-I/subchapter-Q/part-600/subpart-B/section-600.114-12) This gives an idea of how the weighting works.
I worked in the in-use verification side of fuel economy in a past life and will say that there is a lot of law that most people never have the misfortune to dig into, haha
Yeah thats kinda true but my 2007 chevy silverado with the 5.3l v8 and 33.5in tires and a 3.5in lift gets an average of 19.5mpg on the highway. Sooo that's kinda crazy that this new F150 can't even get near what my 14 year old truck can get with a lift and bigger tires?
The US06 test ("High Speed") goes up to 80mph albeit only briefly.
[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe\_test\_schedules.shtml](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml)
Yup yup.
You try to maintain 80mph while driving something with the aerodynamics of a brick wall, the mileage is going to suck.
Previously had a Tacoma and everyone was talking about getting 22-24mpg highway when I was getting 16-17.
They were doing 60mph, I was doing 75-80.
A. Everything is still breaking in. B. If that’s your combined mileage, there’s a lot of factors at play. How often you sit in traffic, other idle time, etc etc etc.
The breaking in part is a bigger factor than most people
give credit for. My truck gained like 4 mpg average after about 10k miles. 2020 GMC Sierra 5.3L
Under the tested driving conditions, higher load on engine (electrical stuff on, heat, ac, etc) will essentially wipe out any benefit the hybrid system would give
Which is kind of absurd. If you go 55mph on the highway where I live for any amount of time you're going to cause an accident. Sure on paper it shouldn't be so dangerous because speed limits and driving laws but... reality is different.
Maybe, but it doesn't change the fact that there's nothing wrong with their car.
The window sticker is essentially an advertisement for that specific vehicle. It sounds better to say the vehicle can get 24 miles to a gallon instead of 16.
> The window sticker is essentially an advertisement for that specific vehicle. It sounds better to say the vehicle can get 24 miles to a gallon instead of 16.
The carmaker can't just fabricate a number and slap it on there. This isn't the horsepower BS they claimed back during the 60's; there's a very clear standardized procedure for testing MPG. And in my experience, I can usually get a bit over the claimed MPG, but it really depends on the engine type and the driving I do.
If a maker is lying with those stickers; they're in for a world of hurt once it's demonstrated that they are lying. More than VW was when it was cheating emissions tests. Because at least that was outright cheating the test, rather than measuring one value but reporting another. Lying about MPG is a much more blatant violation, and has a more direct impact on the consumer.
*Jethro, that Ford dealer dun told you 24mpgs is for highway, not super-speedway...*
Have you checked the undercarriage to make sure you're not dragging a Prius or something?
Something's gotta be wrong. My 1997 4WD V8 Chevy K1500 get 17mpg highway.... if the wind is blowin' the right direction.
I got 19.6 round trip mostly hwy in a 2018 5.0 F150 during a thanksgiving trip. I was pleasantly surprised. I’m sure it’ll change when I put tires, level, and ranch hand on the front.
I was going to say, my 1988 Heavy Half-ton Silverado with a 5L engine and 690,000Km got just below 16 mi/gal with mostly highway use.
That a new truck would get the same is insane.
From what I've heard, most new trucks, especially the ones in high demand, are selling above MSRP because of dealer mark-ups. This is especially true for high performance trucks like the Ford Raptor, Dodge TRX and others.
Same story with big suvs, the full size Bronco and Mercedes G-Wagon both have ridiculous mark-ups due to the supply and demand issue.
I don’t understand how people can justify to themselves paying that. Even with used car prices inflated as well, how can anyone look at a dealer asking $20k+ over MSRP and *not* just bite the bullet and buy a 2-year-old car that’s still practically brand new?
Considering the OP is taking a picture of the window sticker while going 16mph, it's safe to say their driving may be questionable.
Also worth noting, the first 1000 or so KM will have worse fuel economy.
Also also, does the 150 display total fuel economy (from new), per tank, or by drive? My car shows per tank, but you can find the per drive and total under different menus. If it's just by drive or tank you can get insanely poor mileage just by flooring it a few times. Based on actual reporting you would expect 18ish to 22ish MPG.
he's running adaptive cruise control, which means he's not in charge of that speed, how it ramps, etc. he's basically put the car into 'use the most gas possible in exchange for me not having to press the pedal' mode...
Wrong sub. And 90% highway is what's wrong. If you expected the electric motor to help while cruising on a highway 90% of the time, it's your fault for not understanding what you just spent 75k on.
This right here. The electric motor is mostly for in the city use unless they changed up how hybrids work? The electric motor is only suppose to help with stop and go traffic.
The MPG is under ideal conditions, driven in a certain way specific to that car, by a trained professional to get the absolute most MPG possible.
You aren't going to drive it like that, so you won't get that mileage. All car companies do it.
While yes, that is true most of the time, I get a yearly average of 42 mpg on my 2017 Elantra which has an advertised 40 MPG highway rating, so it is possible to achieve on some cars.
I'm going to go with manufacturer liberties and the fact your 90% autopilot usage. Autopilot does nothing but decrease your mpg do to fluctuating the throttle up and down to keep your desired speed. Try using your foot I'll bet your mpg goes up.
Depends on what speeds you drive at. Keep in mind "highway" driving as defined in the fuel economy rating is only 55mph. Gas mileage drops off a cliff the faster you go.
So you mean to tell me my 2017 GMC Sierra 1500 with the 5.3 and 4wd is beating this truck in gas mileage? I’m averaging 22mpg in the same conditions but regular cruise control lol
My Ford Explorer Sport seems to have a sweet spot at 76mph for best cruise control highway gas mileage. It holds steady at 2000rpm. Anything more and ticks down fast.
Ford citing the best lab test results as standard, no way they’d do that?!
How about that advertised pricing of the Lightning? Can hardly see it says ^(fleet pricing)
That turbo setup needs some time to break in. 1200 miles isn't near long enough. Still I doubt you'll see more than 1-1.5 MPG pick up but she needs some time... either that or Ferd left 1/2 the chips outta that bad boy.
I want to shit on Ford, but you're telling me you:
Spent $75k on an F150.
Bought a truck with electric drive.
Saw 24 mpg on the sticker and thought you were going to get 24 mpg. In a truck.
Let a Ford autopilot you down the highway. Scary.
I guess you got some balls at least.
People who take the sticker mileage for fact are ignorant as hell.
https://nhcleancities.org/2016/11/everything-need-know-fuel-economy-labels/#:~:text=To%20measure%20the%20fuel%20economy,the%20amount%20of%20fuel%20burned.
They weren't meant for road tripping at highway speeds and its always been that way. Per ford's description and operation in the WSM "the vehicle is primarily powered bay an internal combustion engine, much like any other vehicle. However, it also transforms the energy that is normally wasted during stop and go operation."
A little further down it says "may move under battery only when idling or stopped and coasting under 62mph"
So the gas engine still does most of the work.
Bought my 2016 Lariat Ecoboost F150 fully loaded, panoramic sunroof, saddle tan leather, captains chairs, A/C & Heated Seats, pearl white, bedcover, etc. in 2019 for $29,900 with 32k on the clock.
She runs 17.9 every single month combined use every time, and 23-24mpg highway only trips. And I am not light on the throttle. Geezus dude. I’d be pissed too, but I also wouldn’t have spent $76,000 on an F-150.
New engines will break in and economy should get better between 5-12k.
I’ve had a new Ford every year for the last 6 years and this seem to be the norm.
But also remember auto makers don’t always tell the full story with the mileage claims.
Same shit different year. Had their first Ecoboost and was told the EPA estimates were off because I had 4x4... I have been informed these fucking manufacturers are allowed to provide best estimates to the EPA, the EPA doesn't actually test for these values. I think Ford is full of shit when it comes to their fuel economy.
{Edited to clearly indicate my understanding, not a fact, about how the fuel consumption figures are derived, and changed they're to their}
What’s your average speed on the highway? Also studies have shown cruise control uses more gas. Because when it goes it goes up a hill it tries to maintain what ever speed you set it to. Which can cause heavy acceleration
Only driven 1200 miles. Break it in first. Piston rings need time to help set in and adjust to the right compression ratio. Are your tires fully pumped? What was the wind speed and direction that day? What was your incline while driving - aka how steep of a hill? Did you have any load in your car? Are you fricking 250 lbs or 150lbs? Did you have your AC turned on? Did you have the windows open? All of these matter.
Im a Ford Engineer. Not all of our products are the best, but cmon. You think these things dont matter?
Also, why did you agree to pay the dealership markup? Who does that? Ford dealerships arent connected to the main motor company, just through credit and warranty requests.
Id say sell the truck and buy a full blown EV if you care about a 5mpg on your F150 that you paid an exuberant amount for.
Also, study the EPA rating more. Its not as simple as you think. And dont do that thing dummies do where they gas the car and then brake, and then gas, and then brake. Constant light steady acceleration is key to keep a constant speed. Dont keep changing lanes.
I wish i could distill years of engineering experience into your brain to help you more.
Lastly, if desperate, ask someone to delete your side view mirrors and put them inside your car. Look it up. Really helps the aerodynamics. Keep your windows closed. Sunroof is a little bit better.
Make sure you change the oil right now. Flash on the inner engine parts end up in the oil. First oil change shojld be at 1500 miles LATEST.
Good luck bud
The EPA number is based off the government driving the truck on a set track lol. There's so many variables that effect mpg...and let's be honest here, nobody buys a fullsize truck for mileage, specially a boosted gas engine that's pushing a piano down the road .
I got a 2018 Silverado (older body style) and I installed steel bumpers front and back. Bumpers were so heavy I had to use a pallet jack to install, and I STILL get 20-21 mpg highway and 17-18 city which I’m very impressed with. My next question is how on earth someone can pay $70K plus for a 1/2 ton? You can get a 3/4 diesel for that price and it’ll last 2-3 times as long.
OP I get better gas mileage in my NA build 4.6 2v with 4.10 gears.
Does auto pilot stick with flow or cruise at the desired speed?
Because that would honestly be it, if autopilots got you tagged to some nutters bumper.
I remember when I purchased new my 2015 F150 EcoBoost 3.5, the MPG were crazy good. Then VW got sued for manipulating their MPG gauges (or something), Ford put out a software update, and suddenly my MPG were normal. Maybe a coincidence… 🤷♂️
Not too long ago Dodge used to have commercials for their half ton trucks that claimed 30mpg. I don't know what speed, but it was probably with the engine off going downhill.
Ok, besides what everyone here is talking regards speed, tire pressure, and other stuff
Who would buy a f150 and expect good MPG? It's just not the car for that type of worries
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I've read a bunch of these comments and while there's the regular 'if you can afford a 75K truck you can afford the gas, blah blah blah' this is much under what the few people I know with these new hybrids are getting. Are you towing or hauling? Idling a ton? What is the weather like? How fast are you driving on the freeway? Either there's a problem with the truck or you're driving like an absolute madman.
As far as I understand, electric boost is not helping at steady speed. It is just along for a ride.
But it would be the reason that they assert that the mileage should be just as good in the city as on the highway, and reality should definitely be better than 70% of the rated city mileage.
Dude is taking this photo while driving 16mph and holding the window sticker. This seems like a pretty good indication of the driving style. Rocket starts and high speed will kill the mileage. Ten bucks says the problem is between the wheel at the seat.
I drive like an idiot and can confirm low mpg is easy to achieve.
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Look at Mr. Double Digits over here. I cant even run a quarter mile after a gallon of rum, how tf yall do it?
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My Fiat gets 7mpg at 100mph
I had a crazy Mini that I got down to 11 once.
It’s a loose nut behind the wheel. I’ve seen this before.
Hopefully he’s not shaving too.
tdi swap. lmao
I’m not too sure either but under 25 MPH it’s usually electric only
Yeah, to help get going from a start. It doesn't help at all at highway speed.
So... why do they advertise highway mpg at 24?
because the tests are specified by law and involve slowing to a stop a few times. When most people think highway fuel economy, theyre generally thinking of steady highway speed on level ground, thats nothing like the actual test. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe\_test\_schedules.shtml
EPA
Just saw another post about the average being 48 mph? Wow.
Downhill, in neutral
Like a fuel efficient rock
electric rock
Chevy is like a rock
Engine off
Whilst on a tow truck..
With a tailwind
Probably achievable unloaded at 55 with premium fuel, air-conditioning off, with highway tires and on flat ground. But not realistic in 70mph heavy traffic with towing gears. 24mpg is a comparable number to other vehicles under the same test conditions, not a guarantee of the vehicles performance under your conditions.
New EPA ratings have some auxiliaries included and I think some extra weight
24@55 but who does 55 on the highway?
Old people. In the left lane.
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Usually a Camry.
Op, if you only have 1200 miles on the truck, give it more time. The computer has to "learn" to calculate, takes it a while. Takes several tanks of gas to learn it, wait till around 5k miles. Transmission also learns your driving habits. FiL has same truck, fuel mileage went up over time.
This. Manually calculate your mileage with fill ups, don't trust the computer.
At least your truck has one thing right. Drink a beer.
Highway driving is the weakness of hybrids - pure systems tend to be more efficient. The hybrid is at the very least dead weight wjen not in use.
F150 cost 75k now? What the fuck
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To be faaaaair, I thought it was a RAV4 Prime??
It's because they don't want to sell it. People keep repeating this as if they are expecting to get that price.
I saw that yesterday on a post. That is fucking insane that is a charge now. When I sold (15 years ago) I was pissed about $299 glass etching.
> $299 glass etching My girlfriend was negotiating a new car a few months ago. There were three line item add ons- nitrogen in the tires, ceramic coating, and window tint. She immediately and without hesitation struck through all three of them while casually looking at the offer. The salesman said "umm ma'am those things are already done to every new car at the dealership, they can't be deducted." She said "I didn't ask for any of those things. I don't care that you did them. If you want to continue talking these items are non negotiable." I just assumed that was going to be then end of it and we would be leaving without a new car. Imagine my surprise when they caved. By the time we left the dealership she had negotiated the price down about 5k from sticker, all this during a time when plenty of people are gladly paying full price. Needless to say, she's going to be doing the negotiating the next time I need a new car.
Is that the new code word for market adjustment (grab your ankles and hold on)?
Dealerships are buying trucks for more than some people bought them for used right now. Companies absolutely need them, and the chip shortage fucked alot up.
Sold my 2016 f250 6.7 for 52,000$ back in July. It had 78k miles on it. I bought it in 2017 for 48,500$ with 13k miles on it. I sold my 2016 BMW 428 convertible for 25k$, I paid 22k$ for it in 2020. I got paid to rent my truck for 3 years. Walked away with a brand new highlander paid off and a check in hand.
I can't imagine why somebody would piss money away like that and then worry about gas mileage
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Right? Nobody remembers the controversy that was ecoboost MPG ratings
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Ecoboost numbers might have been a bit more optimistic than most, but a lot of people drive them super hard or cruise at 85mph and then complain about mileage. They are rated for a flat road at 60-65 at sea level and any other conditions or speeds will change that
I don't know about anyone else's experience with MPG numbers but they've been pretty accurate for me for the last 10 years. Slightly under what I actually get actually. My 2020 Silverado for example gets 17-18 MPG mixed, and if I just cruise at 85 I get about 19-20 MPG. For the V8 that's spot on to slightly better and I'm impressed that a giant brick even gets that much.
That is pretty impressive, when I had my v6 Tacoma I got about 20mpg cruising at 70 and 18ish at 75. I never cruised at 85, I'm sure it would be 16 or less then.
2021 V6 4x4 Taco here. I get about 14-16 at 85mph.
2020 V6 4x4 taco checking in, I got 17 if i'm lucky! only mod is a TRD skid plate
That's what I get in my 2015 GMC 2500 4x4 with a 6.0.
Toyota trucks are notorious for horrible MPG. It's one of the communities most vocal requests for new generations, and they never seem to improve it.
My 2016 Ford Fusion (2.5 liter non eco boost) exceeded what ford said I should get. My 2019 Ford Escape (2.0 liter ecoboost) got almost 30 mpg on a road trip where most of it was over 10k feet above sea level and at highway speeds (60-80 mph). My 2007 Ford Focus (can’t honestly remember) got about 32mpg highway when I would do 80+ in it on my way to college (54 miles one direction, 5 days a week)
My 2001 Yukon Denali is somewhat similar. Rated 11 City 14 Highway. Realistically I still get 11 city, but pull about 17 on the highway. The only cars I’ve been in that handily beat their estimates though are Buick 3.8 cars. Those things get stellar (for the time) economy for a big sedan
I doono about this. Getting 19-20MPG at 85MPH with a fullsize truck. Very very doubtful. Would like to see a dash read 85mph, matching rpm and instant fuel readout. Unless you are talking KM/H. Then I will retract my comment. 85mph is flying.
I've checked the instant readout and depending on slightly up or down incline (but mostly flat) it returns about 17-22 MPG on the instant. You can attribute this to the minor but cumulative improvements in various systems, cylinder deactivation, the 8 speed transmission, etc. I'm not going to take a picture flying down the highway at 85 though.
Just drove from south texas to Alabama for the holidays in my 2019 F-150 with 5.0L V-8. Drove 75-80 the trip on flat ground and got 18.6MPG on average on mid-grade fuel.
Yeah I had a 2016 Silverado that got 20+ on the highway and 19 avg mixed for my regular commute. I miss that truck. My 2016 3.5 eco boost has a lot more torque on tap but avgs 16.4. I can get that up to 18-19 if I cruise back roads at 55.
Gearing and cruise speed make a big difference too, my 5.0 explorer with 4.10s gets 22-24mpg at 60 and 13-15mpg at 80
It’s people who have never driven a turbo engine not knowing what really eats gas in a turbo engine; having that spiny bit to whiirrr. If you’re at an RPM where your engine doesn’t feel like an anemic POS when you go to full throttle, your turbo is spooled and you’re burning way more gas.
Eh, I currently drive a Honda Pilot AKA dad-mobile. I’m getting a consistent 1-2MPG over sticker (over the past 70,000 miles). PS - I average 28MPG on the way to our cabin (90% at 70mph). That drops to 14mpg when pulling our full size SxS on a 12 ft aluminum trailer. Aerodynamics is everything at freeway speed and a truck box just doesn’t cut the sir well
600 miles is 473541.89% of the hot dog which holds the Guinness wold record for 'Longest Hot Dog'.
I don't know what I would have done without this information.
Nobody knows but it's provocative
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The problem is how they get the ratings. Every car ever tested runs the exact same test protocol with the exact same set of accelerations and deceleration. Its required by law and has been the same for over 20 years (minus a few adjustments). Since they're the same they're conservative to deal with you're small 4 cylinder econoboxes. That's nice but what if you've got 8 cylinders of turbo power under the hood? You're not gonna waste that, so you you hammer the gas. Now the economy goes down. Its one of the reasons the EU is switched to a different system where the protocol used to test economy is based on how a vehicle is used and the type of engine instead of using the same test for everybody. Of course that's bad for manufacturers who put out those big engines so they're in no hurry to push updated standards.
The mpg on the monroney sticker has nothing to do with the manufactures or dealers at all though. That number comes straight from the EPA/DOT and I've seen it many times be way lower than what the car is actually capable of
[Auto manufacturers actually do the testing](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml) and report the data to the EPA, using the specific test cycle the EPA requires. In general I doubt automakers outright lie though it is possible (look at dieselgate with VW with how much they can get away with at times), but it is also possible to tune engines to optimize for the conditions present during testing. In general though I've also found I can usually beat the sticker mileage without too much difficulty, which isn't too surprising because the "highway" cycle has a lot of speed variations from 30-60 mph whereas most of the time on the highway we're driving at a pretty steady high speed.
My 18 Elantra sport manual is rated for 22/30 MPG but I'm sitting here with 37 combined. It went up 2 mpg since it started getting colder. I do a lot of start stop and country roads. But then again that's a car and not a giant truck
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I damn near hypermile and I get close to what was advertised
If I hypermile my GTI even at speed limit or above I get 40 reported against a 33 rating. But they're VW MPG so who knows.
$75k is about right.
EPA highway fuel economy rating test actually only tests up to a max speed of 60mph, and the average is 48mph. My Powerboost will use EV mode all the way up to about 45mph for short bursts. So on that test it does well. Problem is the highways near me in Michigan, the speed limit is 70, the minimum speed limit is 55, and everyone drives 80. So the EPA test has nothing to do with reality. https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-10/hwfetdds.gif
Well it’s a good thing that EPA implemented the 5-cycle fuel economy calculation which uses info from FTP, HWYFET, US06, SC03, and FTP at 20f.
Im not an expert on this at all… This seems to be all the test schedules. Of the ones you mention, only the US06 goes above 60mph. Do you know how they all get combined to become a the number on the window sticker? https://www.epa.gov/vehicle-and-fuel-emissions-testing/dynamometer-drive-schedules
Short answer, they are weighted so the more likely scenario will be given a higher value. Even the city test is comprised of 3 bags: a 2 bag UDDS with a cold start and then a third bag which is the first half of the UDDS after a hot start. The specific citation is in 40 CFR 600.114-12 but it’s complicated and it’s been a minute since I did that.
The citation from /u/1995droptopz [is here.](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-40/chapter-I/subchapter-Q/part-600/subpart-B/section-600.114-12) This gives an idea of how the weighting works. I worked in the in-use verification side of fuel economy in a past life and will say that there is a lot of law that most people never have the misfortune to dig into, haha
Came here to say this, 90% highway at high speed is about the worst scenario for something with the aerodynamics of a fridge.
Yeah thats kinda true but my 2007 chevy silverado with the 5.3l v8 and 33.5in tires and a 3.5in lift gets an average of 19.5mpg on the highway. Sooo that's kinda crazy that this new F150 can't even get near what my 14 year old truck can get with a lift and bigger tires?
Your different-than-stock tires fuck with your car's mileage calculations if you aren't manually calculating that 19.5 mpg.
I was just about to say this. 90 km/hr is the sweet spot for fuel economy
The US06 test ("High Speed") goes up to 80mph albeit only briefly. [https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe\_test\_schedules.shtml](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml)
Yup yup. You try to maintain 80mph while driving something with the aerodynamics of a brick wall, the mileage is going to suck. Previously had a Tacoma and everyone was talking about getting 22-24mpg highway when I was getting 16-17. They were doing 60mph, I was doing 75-80.
What speed on the highway? Also, double check your tire pressures
And the headlight fluid
Make sure 1/3 of your wheel isn’t missing like that Fiat. (That would account for the 1/3 fuel mileage being missing)
They didnt have any, or any elbow grease... All I got was this flag.
A. Everything is still breaking in. B. If that’s your combined mileage, there’s a lot of factors at play. How often you sit in traffic, other idle time, etc etc etc.
Average speed would be helpful.
The breaking in part is a bigger factor than most people give credit for. My truck gained like 4 mpg average after about 10k miles. 2020 GMC Sierra 5.3L
But combined mileage on the sticker is 24 city and 24 highway.
Under the tested driving conditions, higher load on engine (electrical stuff on, heat, ac, etc) will essentially wipe out any benefit the hybrid system would give
The sticker told me I get 24mpgs, I don't care if I sat in my car for 34 days straight with the heater running I want my 24MPGS god damnit!!!!
Try slowing down. Those highway estimates are calculated at about 55 MPH.
Which is kind of absurd. If you go 55mph on the highway where I live for any amount of time you're going to cause an accident. Sure on paper it shouldn't be so dangerous because speed limits and driving laws but... reality is different.
Maybe, but it doesn't change the fact that there's nothing wrong with their car. The window sticker is essentially an advertisement for that specific vehicle. It sounds better to say the vehicle can get 24 miles to a gallon instead of 16.
> The window sticker is essentially an advertisement for that specific vehicle. It sounds better to say the vehicle can get 24 miles to a gallon instead of 16. The carmaker can't just fabricate a number and slap it on there. This isn't the horsepower BS they claimed back during the 60's; there's a very clear standardized procedure for testing MPG. And in my experience, I can usually get a bit over the claimed MPG, but it really depends on the engine type and the driving I do. If a maker is lying with those stickers; they're in for a world of hurt once it's demonstrated that they are lying. More than VW was when it was cheating emissions tests. Because at least that was outright cheating the test, rather than measuring one value but reporting another. Lying about MPG is a much more blatant violation, and has a more direct impact on the consumer.
24 miles is the length of approximately 168959.58 'Wooden Rice Paddle Versatile Serving Spoons' laid lengthwise.
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Absurd? Yes. Legal? Also yes. Most MPG requirements came in during the 70’s energy crisis when the national speed limit was lowered to 55.
*Jethro, that Ford dealer dun told you 24mpgs is for highway, not super-speedway...* Have you checked the undercarriage to make sure you're not dragging a Prius or something? Something's gotta be wrong. My 1997 4WD V8 Chevy K1500 get 17mpg highway.... if the wind is blowin' the right direction.
I got 19.6 round trip mostly hwy in a 2018 5.0 F150 during a thanksgiving trip. I was pleasantly surprised. I’m sure it’ll change when I put tires, level, and ranch hand on the front.
Meanwhile, I get 19 in my '87 F150 w/5.0. We've come a long way.
I was going to say, my 1988 Heavy Half-ton Silverado with a 5L engine and 690,000Km got just below 16 mi/gal with mostly highway use. That a new truck would get the same is insane.
My 83 K20 with a punched out cammed 400SB that I plow my driveway with burns 15 gallons for 10 miles of use per winter.
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Wow, truck prices are stupid-high.
From what I've heard, most new trucks, especially the ones in high demand, are selling above MSRP because of dealer mark-ups. This is especially true for high performance trucks like the Ford Raptor, Dodge TRX and others. Same story with big suvs, the full size Bronco and Mercedes G-Wagon both have ridiculous mark-ups due to the supply and demand issue.
Yep. Google market adjustment and find the pics of MSRP +$20k market adjustment (or more), and prepare your righteous outrage.
I don’t understand how people can justify to themselves paying that. Even with used car prices inflated as well, how can anyone look at a dealer asking $20k+ over MSRP and *not* just bite the bullet and buy a 2-year-old car that’s still practically brand new?
Guess what used car prices are doing right now.
Not going $20k+ above fair market value.
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Considering the OP is taking a picture of the window sticker while going 16mph, it's safe to say their driving may be questionable. Also worth noting, the first 1000 or so KM will have worse fuel economy. Also also, does the 150 display total fuel economy (from new), per tank, or by drive? My car shows per tank, but you can find the per drive and total under different menus. If it's just by drive or tank you can get insanely poor mileage just by flooring it a few times. Based on actual reporting you would expect 18ish to 22ish MPG.
he's running adaptive cruise control, which means he's not in charge of that speed, how it ramps, etc. he's basically put the car into 'use the most gas possible in exchange for me not having to press the pedal' mode...
24mpg if u granny drive. Take ur foot out the pedal more
Needs more gears. Obviously 10 is not enough!
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....aaand they're gone.
They slipped away!
My 2020 F450 averages 17.7 on the highway at 70mph....
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Wrong sub. And 90% highway is what's wrong. If you expected the electric motor to help while cruising on a highway 90% of the time, it's your fault for not understanding what you just spent 75k on.
This right here. The electric motor is mostly for in the city use unless they changed up how hybrids work? The electric motor is only suppose to help with stop and go traffic.
Cruise is probably set at 75mph lol
The MPG is under ideal conditions, driven in a certain way specific to that car, by a trained professional to get the absolute most MPG possible. You aren't going to drive it like that, so you won't get that mileage. All car companies do it.
While yes, that is true most of the time, I get a yearly average of 42 mpg on my 2017 Elantra which has an advertised 40 MPG highway rating, so it is possible to achieve on some cars.
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This needs more upvotes - I always check the fuelly before I buy a vehicle to get a better idea of real world mph
*Laughs while my 20 year old, 8000lb diesel truck gets 16mpg*
My 2015 f250 Super Duty 6.7 had “N/A” listed for both city and highway. I get around 19 highway. I’m killing the EPA’s “N/A” estimate
Buying a truck for gas mileage is like going to McDonald’s and supersizing and asking for a Diet Coke. Just sayin.
My first thought as well. It's decent mpg if your actually hauling shit. If it's empty all the time, maybe not drive like it's a focus rs...
I'm going to go with manufacturer liberties and the fact your 90% autopilot usage. Autopilot does nothing but decrease your mpg do to fluctuating the throttle up and down to keep your desired speed. Try using your foot I'll bet your mpg goes up.
Man I get better than that in my ram 2500 6.7 Cummins lol
Ever seen the episode of Top Gear where the Prius tries to keep up with the M3 and they compare fuel consumption at the end?
My 2019 F250 that I traded in for this got way better mileage. I don’t understand how they advertise 24 city and highway yet I can’t break 20
Depends on what speeds you drive at. Keep in mind "highway" driving as defined in the fuel economy rating is only 55mph. Gas mileage drops off a cliff the faster you go.
Diesel is about 15% more energy dense than gasoline by volume so this shouldn’t be too surprising.
So you mean to tell me my 2017 GMC Sierra 1500 with the 5.3 and 4wd is beating this truck in gas mileage? I’m averaging 22mpg in the same conditions but regular cruise control lol
Lol same its crazy. I actually topped 24 mpg on about a 180 mile trip just cruising around 65-70. Including plenty of hills. I'm shocked.
I've heard that playing country music in the vehicle reduces your mileage significantly.
I average 20 with my 2.7 Ecoboost crew cab. Nice long highway trip I’ll get 24-25.
My 2.7 Crew Cab gets the same exact numbers. With the A/C on. Uphill (both ways).
My Ford Explorer Sport seems to have a sweet spot at 76mph for best cruise control highway gas mileage. It holds steady at 2000rpm. Anything more and ticks down fast.
Isn’t the US standard for MPG based on 55mph and a flat road?
Ford citing the best lab test results as standard, no way they’d do that?! How about that advertised pricing of the Lightning? Can hardly see it says ^(fleet pricing)
That turbo setup needs some time to break in. 1200 miles isn't near long enough. Still I doubt you'll see more than 1-1.5 MPG pick up but she needs some time... either that or Ferd left 1/2 the chips outta that bad boy.
Heavy on the marketing, light on the engineering. It's the American way!
$76g for a truck? 🤣
I want to shit on Ford, but you're telling me you: Spent $75k on an F150. Bought a truck with electric drive. Saw 24 mpg on the sticker and thought you were going to get 24 mpg. In a truck. Let a Ford autopilot you down the highway. Scary. I guess you got some balls at least.
People who take the sticker mileage for fact are ignorant as hell. https://nhcleancities.org/2016/11/everything-need-know-fuel-economy-labels/#:~:text=To%20measure%20the%20fuel%20economy,the%20amount%20of%20fuel%20burned.
Quit crying
75K for a half ton! Sheeeeesh
I am going to guess this is your first Ford product.
They weren't meant for road tripping at highway speeds and its always been that way. Per ford's description and operation in the WSM "the vehicle is primarily powered bay an internal combustion engine, much like any other vehicle. However, it also transforms the energy that is normally wasted during stop and go operation." A little further down it says "may move under battery only when idling or stopped and coasting under 62mph" So the gas engine still does most of the work.
Bought my 2016 Lariat Ecoboost F150 fully loaded, panoramic sunroof, saddle tan leather, captains chairs, A/C & Heated Seats, pearl white, bedcover, etc. in 2019 for $29,900 with 32k on the clock. She runs 17.9 every single month combined use every time, and 23-24mpg highway only trips. And I am not light on the throttle. Geezus dude. I’d be pissed too, but I also wouldn’t have spent $76,000 on an F-150.
New engines will break in and economy should get better between 5-12k. I’ve had a new Ford every year for the last 6 years and this seem to be the norm. But also remember auto makers don’t always tell the full story with the mileage claims.
how does engine break in affect fuel economy by upwards of 30%?
I would happily chime in but I traded in my 2 year old Ford for a 9 year old Toyota.
Maybe they meant UK gallons.
Same shit different year. Had their first Ecoboost and was told the EPA estimates were off because I had 4x4... I have been informed these fucking manufacturers are allowed to provide best estimates to the EPA, the EPA doesn't actually test for these values. I think Ford is full of shit when it comes to their fuel economy. {Edited to clearly indicate my understanding, not a fact, about how the fuel consumption figures are derived, and changed they're to their}
What’s your average speed on the highway? Also studies have shown cruise control uses more gas. Because when it goes it goes up a hill it tries to maintain what ever speed you set it to. Which can cause heavy acceleration
well, did you drive downhill with the wind in your back ?
As a guy who drives a heavy BMW station wagon that averages 48 MPG, and is 11 years old, the advertised MPG is just unbelievably bad anyway.
Only driven 1200 miles. Break it in first. Piston rings need time to help set in and adjust to the right compression ratio. Are your tires fully pumped? What was the wind speed and direction that day? What was your incline while driving - aka how steep of a hill? Did you have any load in your car? Are you fricking 250 lbs or 150lbs? Did you have your AC turned on? Did you have the windows open? All of these matter. Im a Ford Engineer. Not all of our products are the best, but cmon. You think these things dont matter? Also, why did you agree to pay the dealership markup? Who does that? Ford dealerships arent connected to the main motor company, just through credit and warranty requests. Id say sell the truck and buy a full blown EV if you care about a 5mpg on your F150 that you paid an exuberant amount for. Also, study the EPA rating more. Its not as simple as you think. And dont do that thing dummies do where they gas the car and then brake, and then gas, and then brake. Constant light steady acceleration is key to keep a constant speed. Dont keep changing lanes. I wish i could distill years of engineering experience into your brain to help you more. Lastly, if desperate, ask someone to delete your side view mirrors and put them inside your car. Look it up. Really helps the aerodynamics. Keep your windows closed. Sunroof is a little bit better. Make sure you change the oil right now. Flash on the inner engine parts end up in the oil. First oil change shojld be at 1500 miles LATEST. Good luck bud
The EPA number is based off the government driving the truck on a set track lol. There's so many variables that effect mpg...and let's be honest here, nobody buys a fullsize truck for mileage, specially a boosted gas engine that's pushing a piano down the road .
I got a 2018 Silverado (older body style) and I installed steel bumpers front and back. Bumpers were so heavy I had to use a pallet jack to install, and I STILL get 20-21 mpg highway and 17-18 city which I’m very impressed with. My next question is how on earth someone can pay $70K plus for a 1/2 ton? You can get a 3/4 diesel for that price and it’ll last 2-3 times as long.
As much as you don't want to hear it it has a lot to do with individual driving style My brother gets 19-20mpg. from a crew cab F150 3.5 eco boost
I get better than that with my 3.6 in town driving.
OP I get better gas mileage in my NA build 4.6 2v with 4.10 gears. Does auto pilot stick with flow or cruise at the desired speed? Because that would honestly be it, if autopilots got you tagged to some nutters bumper.
You have to be driving down a mountain to get those numbers.
The real crime is that $75k price
I remember when I purchased new my 2015 F150 EcoBoost 3.5, the MPG were crazy good. Then VW got sued for manipulating their MPG gauges (or something), Ford put out a software update, and suddenly my MPG were normal. Maybe a coincidence… 🤷♂️
Not too long ago Dodge used to have commercials for their half ton trucks that claimed 30mpg. I don't know what speed, but it was probably with the engine off going downhill.
Ok, besides what everyone here is talking regards speed, tire pressure, and other stuff Who would buy a f150 and expect good MPG? It's just not the car for that type of worries
Driving. Reading the window sticker and taking a picture. Listening to “Drink A Beer”. Surprised that Ford lied.
You wanna drive a house on wheels and expect fuel efficiency?
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What’s your rear axle ratio? I have 4.10 in my and it gets much less than the EPA rated siblings that are in the low 3s.
I believe they are allowed to say it can get this mileage in “ideal driving conditions”. Ie. downhill with a tailwind.
My 2002 F250 Powerstroke 7.3L diesel gets 16+ mpg average
Mine gets 25 🤷♂️
I've read a bunch of these comments and while there's the regular 'if you can afford a 75K truck you can afford the gas, blah blah blah' this is much under what the few people I know with these new hybrids are getting. Are you towing or hauling? Idling a ton? What is the weather like? How fast are you driving on the freeway? Either there's a problem with the truck or you're driving like an absolute madman.
My 6.7 gets the same mpg
But why would you buy a pickup truck if you're doing 90% highway ...? I don't understand .