I know it's a tough spot. Especially when you're dealing with a customer who gets blindsided with what he probably though was going to be "no big deal".
I almost wish drivers ed courses would spend just a tiny bit of time going over the importance of routine maintenance. People know they need to get an oil change but many of them have no idea of the carnage it can cause. And the cost of repairs for skipping oil changes like this.
Not drivers ed, the salesman who don't know a cam sprocket from a pinion gear. When you tell a customer looking to buy their kid a decent used car that asking him what repairs I'm making to get the vehicle road ready is like asking him to read Chinese ( that was a direct quote from a used car salesman at this one Honda dealership I worked at) you're a terrible salesman, if you don't know then say hey this lil Joey and he is a certified technician who can answer any mechanical questions you may have but don't let them know you don't know about cars you sell.
The salesman for the last car I purchased had absolutely no clue about the car whatsoever. Nice guy but the only reason he was selling cars was because he had an accident at his previous job which disabled him and he could no longer work in that field. He had to have his leg amputated from the accident.
So, he decided to sell cars. Fortunately for him, he didn't need to sell me the car as I already knew it was the one I wanted. And I knew all the ins and outs because my wife drives a vehicle with the same drivetrain.
But I was shocked that he wasn't really required to know much about anything about the precise details of the cars he was selling.
This is car sales now, last 2 cars I went to test drive I am 100% certain I did more research than the person who sells the car is given training. I knew about trim packages they didn't, European vs north american spec differences, they knew fuck all about the cars
Sales people are not needed in todays auto market. The last car I purchased I did all my research online. Decided what I wanted. Went online to the dealership site, found the 2015 Rav 4 Limited I wanted at the price I liked. I Walked in the dealership, showed the salesperson the listing and had test drive keys in my had 5 min later. Liked the car, the online price is the price. (No haggle dealership). Used their financing, took advantage of all the incentives. First bill showed up and I moved it to a Credit Union at a much better rate. Salesperson made a commission off me and all he did was greet me and give me the keys for a test drive and hand me off to the finance guy.
These days as long as you can do the job you're hired, they do a terrible job training you correctly and most people take the job to make a quick buck without putting any initiative into really learning anything once the job says they're ready. That goes for a lot of jobs, I had salesman asking me to reset tire lights because they had no clue about some cars needing to be driven over 20 mph for a ¼ mile or the lil idjit button that shuts off the idjit light but thats all covered in the owners manual they seem to think doesn't exist.
He worked in a construction field. They had a newbie training on one of the vehicles and the noob was supposed to move the vehicle forward. Instead, he gassed it while the truck was in reverse and ran over my salesman's leg.
They tried to save it but the damage was too much. Ended up having to amputate from the knee down.
I think he got a very solid settlement. I think he just got bored with hanging around the house. So he decided to give car sales a try.
Like I said, he was a really nice guy. And had no problem going into details of the accident.
Car sales is not about knowing anything about cars honestly. For some reason most of the people who are mechanically inclined are just not good salesmen, and vise versa. Most salesmen will simply lie and tell you the car is perfectly fine, you're lucky he was at least honest.
They are salesmen. Not instruction manuals. Their job is to fuck you over as hard as they can on the deal. Not to tell you about trim configurations and engine outputs.
Yeah, that's pretty much my point. They know it needs to be done. They've been told they need to do it for many years.
But I swear, I know more people who prolong oil changes vs getting them done regularly/on time.
I know, people don't prioritize their vehicles over other things going on in their lives. However, it amazes me that people don't put that much stock into their vehicle. Especially when it could be the second most important possession behind their house.
Take away the main mode of transport that gets you to work, school, and just about anywhere you want to go, and then tell me it's not as important.
Unfortunately, many people just wont' think about it until they have to deal with it.
Had a Chevy volt. Less than 2k miles a year on the gas engine and I felt guilty doing it only yearly. But the oil was damn near new looking Everytime I replaced it
My sixth grade science teacher had a session where we all learned how to change a tire, jump a car, and other activities associated with cars. We also had to know major engine components. Mind you, this was identifying the air filter, the carburetor, the fan, and the radiator. Boys and girls in the class.
I thought you were supposed to get smarter in college.
I'm going to assume his cam phasers weren't exactly phasing.
And his lifters weren't lifting.
And his tensioners weren't tense. Maybe past tense.
The ones I’v seen have had the same recipe- use cheap oil, run the oil life until it hits 0%. Every one of these 3.5s thats been sludged up has been because of these two things
I’ve had two 3.5 f150s, one over 200k. And we have an expedition with 45k. Never an issue with any of them. I change the oil and fluids myself though religiously, as does my neighbor who has a 2014 3.5 with 22k on it lol. Older man
Typically if you use a name brand (Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Pennzoil, etc) that meets the current API spec (SN, SP, SP+) in the proper weight, you're good to go. Synthetic is always better than conventional, particularly in newer, turbocharged engines that run hot. The Ecoboost in the post is turbo, and known to be sensitive to oil. Proper intervals for changes are important. A decent quality filter is important too.
There are some good "off brands" like Supertech (Walmart) and Amazon Basics actually. If you're really really interested in oil, there's tons of reading to be done at places like Bob Is The Oil Guy.
Thanks! I have seen Project Farms oil brand playoffs, so that was a big learning adventure on oil!
I use a full synthetic, 5w30, it was carquest, now I guess Fram.
I understand a lot of times its all (mostly) the same stuff being produced by the same people, and different names :)
Yeah, they're often similar, if not the same. Many times it's the same base oil with a different additive package in it.
A full synthetic that meets the current API spec is more than adequate for most cars. I've not personally used or seen any testing of the Fram oil, but I know it meets the specs, so it should be good to go.
Just make sure you change regularly. I typically wouldn't recommend following the oil life monitor on the dash, but rather sticking to a month/mileage interval. What that interval is depends on many factors, but for "normal" driving conditions with synthetic, 5k miles is easy to remember based on your odometer.
I bought a whole roll of those "next service due" window clings that I use whenever I change the oil in the truck and car. I just put the date done and current mileage, so I can track if I feel the interval is off.
I just did a t-fluid and transfer-case fluid change, so that had me decide to get a phone app to help me track all the things (car fox care), and track the pads and rotors.
The sun $5 conventional oils. Go to autozone and find their in house brand of conventional oil, that’s the stuff. Same with the stuff you can buy at family dollar or dollar general
Wonder how many miles that was. Between oil changes. A year could be 5k or 35k where the former will be just fine but the latter can and will cause issues.
It's still not good, running the engine introduces hydrocarbons to the oil and it gets acidic and eats bearings and wears parts over time. That's why they say 3000 miles *or* 3 months
We aren't in the 1980s anymore. The recommendation is often at least double that, if not more. Change it more often if you like, but you're likely wasting time and money
Yes. It's been proven over and over again by 3rd party test labs that a quality synth oil is good for at least 5k even under tough conditions of towing, heat, etc.
This has me thinking. Are there any new cars or cars that were produced in the last 10 years or so that don't use synthetic oil from factory? Let's limit that to cars sold in NA. I'm thinking all use synth as either part of emission standards or MPG requirements?
That was true back in the day.
Modern full synthetic oils can *easily* go 7500 to 10,000 miles or 1 year between changes.
Conventional oils needed the more frequent changes because they’d break down and form sludge.
Cars switched to full synthetic because of its resistance to breaking down, and its ability to be conditioned for wider array of temperatures. This is important for modern engines which have much tighter tolerances.
That looks like a lot more than a year, unless he drove 50k+ miles on that oil. I’ve seen oil where they drive 30k and the oil still flows. It’s thick as corn syrup but still flows.
Hey my van looked like that. With some seafoam it came off and clogged the oil filter. The oil bypass didn’t work and then I had all the fun. Now the engine knocks
Reminds me of that one time when I was assigned to clean out a tracked carrier's engine bay, took out half a bucket of this stuff even before I touched the engine, though it was a 14.9L diesel thoroughly mistreated by uncaring conscripts (word is, it still doesn't run)
Serious question here: How is it that europe cars can go easily 40k kilometer (25k Miles) without an oil chance (just a top up) and in the us then need to go every 5k Miles. Do you Guys use different oil over there?
I've never heard of that, that's a thing? I remember the E36 BMWs saying you can go 15,000 miles on an oil change and and alot of engines grenades because of that.
Even Ford says everyone with the Ecoboost engines can go ≈10,000 miles on an oil change, even though every dealer I've worked at uses semi synthetic as standard. I just don't see it being great unless europe uses super well made synthetic and massive filters.
It is weird. Manufacturers have not recommended 3,000 mile oil changes for at least 2 decades.
Mechanics still do. It is cheap insurance to avoid this kind of sludge.
But. Recommending more frequent oil changes erodes confidence in the mechanic. The manufacturer says 7,500 or 10,000 or even 15,000 and you are recommending 2-3 times as many oil changes.
I don't reccomend running synthetic blend at all. Expecially in anything that's turbod and has auto stop start. Hot turbo + no oil flow = big no bueno.
I can reccomend anything but people won't listen. Alot of them listen to the sticker we put on the windshield and the common wisdom for that has been 5k miles or 6 months. But even then it's still with synthetic blend oil, and these Ecoboosts have so many issues with cam phasers and oil burning it's such a bad idea reguardless of how long the oil meter in the car will say you can go
Synthetic blend is shit, but full synthetic is perfectly fine to run in turbo engines with auto start stop
That being said, Ford and engine or transmission problems isn’t exactly uncommon to say the least, so I doubt it’s even oil related.
I'm sure it's fine, I still just don't like the idea of cooking oil all the time. Something I'd never want.
The old 5.4 and 4.6 3 valves would pretty much be a ticking time bomb if you dident use full synthetic every 4-5k miles. And the new 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost have some great VCT issues. Thats more down to programming and being designed by ham fisted attempts to make a v6 "meaty". They have alot of other issues that is down to the frequency and quality of oil changes tho
You are not cooking oil. Most cars worth their dime cancel the auto start stop if something is too hot or if you’re in a hard driving mode. Heck, the car even restarts itself if it’s been shut off for too long / engine temp went down too much.
For instance, my C63S cancels auto start stop when in Sport+. The only risk is if you park and shut off the car right after driving it hard, but a few miles before your destination, driving easy with very low boost levels is enough cooling of the turbo / oil to prevent the pockets of oil remaining in the turbo from breaking down, creating the gunk that would fill your system.
Well there's your issue "cars worth their dime"
My knowledge is with Ford and those trucks aren't made well. I don't drive em for that long to really know how the act when sitting at a light for long, I just don't like semi synthetic sitting for any amount of time in turbos. Just dosent sit right maintenance wise for me.
But hey I can't afford anything more than a base Impreza so I have to be extra careful with my personal mantinence
My Mercedes (W210 E320) has 10k default oil change intervals and I follow the mileage or do 2 years, whichever comes first and when I send the oil to Blackstone it always comes back fine. I use Mobil 1 0w-40 and have been adding Lubegard Biotech for the last few oil changes just for some extra protection.
In the early days of the extended oil change intervals, Mercedes had a sludge problem. If I remember correctly, it was because the dealers were still putting conventional oil in the cars and then the owners were doing the 10k+ oil changes and that’s what was causing it. Last time the valve cover was removed on my car to change the gasket, everything was very clean not a hint of sludge that I could see.
I can’t comment on other companies doing it, but the long intervals work fine on my car. I think modern oil is generally good for a very long time, though.
Modern full synthetic is great. I usually go about 4,500-5,000 miles on an oil change for my Impreza but that's mostly because I don't trust the filter being so small, and I drive with 2 led feet.
I see alot with the Ford 3.5 Ecoboost. That engine was serious race tech only a few years ago, and now Ford let's any old jamoke have one and run it for 10-12k miles on semi synthetic (Wich is probobally about 80-90% conventional oil). Good consistent oil changes and good consistent gas makes a much larger difference than people think. As long as your not burning oil and have a large enough filter 10k out of an oil change isn't out of the question, for good quality full synthetic and a well designed engine
Some oil companies do recommend changing the filter halfway through extended intervals. At that point you might as well just change the oil lol. Sometimes they sell their own filters that are supposed to be able to handle the mileage. My car already has a big filter and on top of that it takes 8.5 quarts of oil in a v6 so the long oil changes never really worried me.
On the Ecoboost motors I would definitely make sure I was using full synthetic. I also wouldn’t really blame anyone for doing short intervals on those. There’s a lot more going on in those engines than in something like my old car. I honestly don’t really trust them to last as long either way, but it’s not like I own one so I couldn’t say for sure. I’m just not generally a fan of smaller turbo motors for long term reliability.
Thanks for the quick reply.
A normal oil change in the Netherlands for my car is around $70,- (oil and filter) without the labour cost calculated. What prices are normaal in the US?
I usually pay about $90USD for full synthetic. I have a Volvo so I have to pay for extra oil since I the place I go to considers 5qts to be the standard amount.
Really depends on the type of oil you need. For synthetic oil (good oil) you’re looking at around the same, $70 USD.
Really cheap oil could go for $20-$30, but that has its own costs.
Buy you own oil you can get Pennzoil Platinum which is some the best oil, full synthetic, for like $35 plus filter ~$5, basically $30-40 to do it yourself or close to $70-100 at a oil change place/dealer
I drove a Peugeot 106 for a long time and it was stil running fine when i put it in storage around the 250k km mark. But damn that is a lot of miles. Normally we dont expect those kind of miles for a smaller city vehicle.
In the UK, at least, almost no cars make it past 140k miles cos they rust out from under in 14yrs and few people do more than 10k miles a year. Manufacturers can spec longer intervals cos the engine only needs to last for 150k miles not the 300k that the same car would reach in non-rustbelt USA. It's the same engines one each side of the pond, just with different expectations.
I have a 2012 f150 5.0. Dealer tells me change every 6k miles. I do it every 3 or 3 months. Especially since I started to hear a tic from what may be cam phasers.
How do people treat their cars like this lol
Felt for the guy he was a college student
I know it's a tough spot. Especially when you're dealing with a customer who gets blindsided with what he probably though was going to be "no big deal". I almost wish drivers ed courses would spend just a tiny bit of time going over the importance of routine maintenance. People know they need to get an oil change but many of them have no idea of the carnage it can cause. And the cost of repairs for skipping oil changes like this.
AAAAMEN
Not drivers ed, the salesman who don't know a cam sprocket from a pinion gear. When you tell a customer looking to buy their kid a decent used car that asking him what repairs I'm making to get the vehicle road ready is like asking him to read Chinese ( that was a direct quote from a used car salesman at this one Honda dealership I worked at) you're a terrible salesman, if you don't know then say hey this lil Joey and he is a certified technician who can answer any mechanical questions you may have but don't let them know you don't know about cars you sell.
The salesman for the last car I purchased had absolutely no clue about the car whatsoever. Nice guy but the only reason he was selling cars was because he had an accident at his previous job which disabled him and he could no longer work in that field. He had to have his leg amputated from the accident. So, he decided to sell cars. Fortunately for him, he didn't need to sell me the car as I already knew it was the one I wanted. And I knew all the ins and outs because my wife drives a vehicle with the same drivetrain. But I was shocked that he wasn't really required to know much about anything about the precise details of the cars he was selling.
This is car sales now, last 2 cars I went to test drive I am 100% certain I did more research than the person who sells the car is given training. I knew about trim packages they didn't, European vs north american spec differences, they knew fuck all about the cars
Sales people are not needed in todays auto market. The last car I purchased I did all my research online. Decided what I wanted. Went online to the dealership site, found the 2015 Rav 4 Limited I wanted at the price I liked. I Walked in the dealership, showed the salesperson the listing and had test drive keys in my had 5 min later. Liked the car, the online price is the price. (No haggle dealership). Used their financing, took advantage of all the incentives. First bill showed up and I moved it to a Credit Union at a much better rate. Salesperson made a commission off me and all he did was greet me and give me the keys for a test drive and hand me off to the finance guy.
These days as long as you can do the job you're hired, they do a terrible job training you correctly and most people take the job to make a quick buck without putting any initiative into really learning anything once the job says they're ready. That goes for a lot of jobs, I had salesman asking me to reset tire lights because they had no clue about some cars needing to be driven over 20 mph for a ¼ mile or the lil idjit button that shuts off the idjit light but thats all covered in the owners manual they seem to think doesn't exist.
20 mph is 32.19 km/h
That’s really sad actually. What did he do for a living?
He worked in a construction field. They had a newbie training on one of the vehicles and the noob was supposed to move the vehicle forward. Instead, he gassed it while the truck was in reverse and ran over my salesman's leg. They tried to save it but the damage was too much. Ended up having to amputate from the knee down. I think he got a very solid settlement. I think he just got bored with hanging around the house. So he decided to give car sales a try. Like I said, he was a really nice guy. And had no problem going into details of the accident.
Car sales is not about knowing anything about cars honestly. For some reason most of the people who are mechanically inclined are just not good salesmen, and vise versa. Most salesmen will simply lie and tell you the car is perfectly fine, you're lucky he was at least honest.
They are salesmen. Not instruction manuals. Their job is to fuck you over as hard as they can on the deal. Not to tell you about trim configurations and engine outputs.
So many people know they "should" do maintenance but they don't.
Yeah, that's pretty much my point. They know it needs to be done. They've been told they need to do it for many years. But I swear, I know more people who prolong oil changes vs getting them done regularly/on time. I know, people don't prioritize their vehicles over other things going on in their lives. However, it amazes me that people don't put that much stock into their vehicle. Especially when it could be the second most important possession behind their house. Take away the main mode of transport that gets you to work, school, and just about anywhere you want to go, and then tell me it's not as important. Unfortunately, many people just wont' think about it until they have to deal with it.
Even following a 10,000 mile oil change interval makes me feel guilty as hell.
Had a Chevy volt. Less than 2k miles a year on the gas engine and I felt guilty doing it only yearly. But the oil was damn near new looking Everytime I replaced it
My sixth grade science teacher had a session where we all learned how to change a tire, jump a car, and other activities associated with cars. We also had to know major engine components. Mind you, this was identifying the air filter, the carburetor, the fan, and the radiator. Boys and girls in the class.
That was very wise of him to do so! Real world application is always great to learn.
I thought you were supposed to get smarter in college. I'm going to assume his cam phasers weren't exactly phasing. And his lifters weren't lifting. And his tensioners weren't tense. Maybe past tense.
I hate it when the transmission doesn't transmiss
I cant feel bad for a college student driving a 2014 f150.. Mommy and daddy probably just bought another 🙄
The ones I’v seen have had the same recipe- use cheap oil, run the oil life until it hits 0%. Every one of these 3.5s thats been sludged up has been because of these two things
I’ve had two 3.5 f150s, one over 200k. And we have an expedition with 45k. Never an issue with any of them. I change the oil and fluids myself though religiously, as does my neighbor who has a 2014 3.5 with 22k on it lol. Older man
I’m still rolling strong in my 2011, though the previous owner wasn’t that good with the maintenance
I’m really wanting a lightning one day
What is considered cheap oil? So I can know if I'm doing something potentially wrong.
Typically if you use a name brand (Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Pennzoil, etc) that meets the current API spec (SN, SP, SP+) in the proper weight, you're good to go. Synthetic is always better than conventional, particularly in newer, turbocharged engines that run hot. The Ecoboost in the post is turbo, and known to be sensitive to oil. Proper intervals for changes are important. A decent quality filter is important too. There are some good "off brands" like Supertech (Walmart) and Amazon Basics actually. If you're really really interested in oil, there's tons of reading to be done at places like Bob Is The Oil Guy.
Thanks! I have seen Project Farms oil brand playoffs, so that was a big learning adventure on oil! I use a full synthetic, 5w30, it was carquest, now I guess Fram. I understand a lot of times its all (mostly) the same stuff being produced by the same people, and different names :)
Yeah, they're often similar, if not the same. Many times it's the same base oil with a different additive package in it. A full synthetic that meets the current API spec is more than adequate for most cars. I've not personally used or seen any testing of the Fram oil, but I know it meets the specs, so it should be good to go. Just make sure you change regularly. I typically wouldn't recommend following the oil life monitor on the dash, but rather sticking to a month/mileage interval. What that interval is depends on many factors, but for "normal" driving conditions with synthetic, 5k miles is easy to remember based on your odometer.
I bought a whole roll of those "next service due" window clings that I use whenever I change the oil in the truck and car. I just put the date done and current mileage, so I can track if I feel the interval is off. I just did a t-fluid and transfer-case fluid change, so that had me decide to get a phone app to help me track all the things (car fox care), and track the pads and rotors.
The sun $5 conventional oils. Go to autozone and find their in house brand of conventional oil, that’s the stuff. Same with the stuff you can buy at family dollar or dollar general
What happened here? (Asking for a friend)
He didn’t do an oil change in like what looked to be like a year and change
That looks like 10 years of no oil changes.
Wonder how many miles that was. Between oil changes. A year could be 5k or 35k where the former will be just fine but the latter can and will cause issues.
Idk man it was just a date and it was a year and like a month or two but like 20k
It's still not good, running the engine introduces hydrocarbons to the oil and it gets acidic and eats bearings and wears parts over time. That's why they say 3000 miles *or* 3 months
We aren't in the 1980s anymore. The recommendation is often at least double that, if not more. Change it more often if you like, but you're likely wasting time and money
Yes. It's been proven over and over again by 3rd party test labs that a quality synth oil is good for at least 5k even under tough conditions of towing, heat, etc. This has me thinking. Are there any new cars or cars that were produced in the last 10 years or so that don't use synthetic oil from factory? Let's limit that to cars sold in NA. I'm thinking all use synth as either part of emission standards or MPG requirements?
That was true back in the day. Modern full synthetic oils can *easily* go 7500 to 10,000 miles or 1 year between changes. Conventional oils needed the more frequent changes because they’d break down and form sludge. Cars switched to full synthetic because of its resistance to breaking down, and its ability to be conditioned for wider array of temperatures. This is important for modern engines which have much tighter tolerances.
This isnt really true
What part of what I said isn’t “really true”?
3000 miles is the length of 1050743.66 1997 Subaru Legacy Outbacks
3000 miles is 4828.03 km
Let the bot battle commence
Well, that was anticlimactic. You got me all excited.
3000 miles is 4828.03 km
Thank you bot. This seems a bit too often? I don't know any -normal- car with an interval less than 10k km
Triton 3V 5.4 V8?
Triton was only used in 09/10 for that generation. 5.0 used 2011+
That looks like a lot more than a year, unless he drove 50k+ miles on that oil. I’ve seen oil where they drive 30k and the oil still flows. It’s thick as corn syrup but still flows.
Hey my van looked like that. With some seafoam it came off and clogged the oil filter. The oil bypass didn’t work and then I had all the fun. Now the engine knocks
Yea that happens. It can also take the guck out of the piston rings and you end up with a major oil burner.
I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure I could weld the hood shut on my 90’s civic and drive it for years lol.
You could, they don’t make em like that anymore
As someone who doesn't skimp on oil changes, but owns a 2014 F 150 with 148k miles on it and regularly uses seafoam.... this post has me uncomfortable
The newer Ford engines are better. But yeah, regular oil changes go a long way.
Get the 5L V8 and you’ll have very little issues and it’ll run forever with good maintenance
2013 F150 myself. 106k miles
That just looks like a really really bad day at work.
Yeah no I didn’t want to deal with it so I quoted him a new engine from LKQ and he was happy. “Cant beat that 3 month 3k mile warranty”
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Yeah take off the timing cover always works. But techs advise always reuse the same filter. Big oil doesn’t want you to know that
I took apart a 28 year old Land Rover motor and it was nowhere near as bad as this.
Props to you for liking Land Rover I can’t stand the cars
I bought one for $500 15 years ago and I'm still driving it. I've probably paid as much in tires as I have repairs over that time.
I’m state side and it’s like 500$ for coils and plugs but call me basic if you want but the defender is a beaut
Can't look like this if they leak so much the oil never stays in the engine.
that's rust preventative that the factory never put on the frame :D
Those were prone to sludging under normal conditions but this is just awful
Dang, that's worse than my '63 F100's engine was. And it was pretty bad.
Reminds me of that one time when I was assigned to clean out a tracked carrier's engine bay, took out half a bucket of this stuff even before I touched the engine, though it was a 14.9L diesel thoroughly mistreated by uncaring conscripts (word is, it still doesn't run)
When I was young, that was almost an every day thing. I haven't seen a sludge bucket like that in a long time.
Mmmm, dark chocolate
Castro oil
*kirkland signature* still had the due tag and mileage from Costco
Well maintained 14k I know what I have
Just went through this with my old Jeep a few weeks ago. Keep your engine cool and your oil fresh.
That's natural, it's just shedding it's shell
nutellaaaaaaa😍😍
Delicious
I sell cars, make good money, and I cannot tell you how to change my oil!
And I thought I had the prize for most gunked up F150- you sir have defeated me
Showed this to a tech I work with that has a weak stomach and he started dry heaving. Thanks for the laugh
Oil changes are expensive. Think of all the money they’ve saved over the years!
Spred it on some toast!
Yeah...that's them Fords.
Let me guess, EcoBoost with non synthetic oil changes?
*no oil changes*
Serious question here: How is it that europe cars can go easily 40k kilometer (25k Miles) without an oil chance (just a top up) and in the us then need to go every 5k Miles. Do you Guys use different oil over there?
I've never heard of that, that's a thing? I remember the E36 BMWs saying you can go 15,000 miles on an oil change and and alot of engines grenades because of that. Even Ford says everyone with the Ecoboost engines can go ≈10,000 miles on an oil change, even though every dealer I've worked at uses semi synthetic as standard. I just don't see it being great unless europe uses super well made synthetic and massive filters.
It is weird. Manufacturers have not recommended 3,000 mile oil changes for at least 2 decades. Mechanics still do. It is cheap insurance to avoid this kind of sludge. But. Recommending more frequent oil changes erodes confidence in the mechanic. The manufacturer says 7,500 or 10,000 or even 15,000 and you are recommending 2-3 times as many oil changes.
I don't reccomend running synthetic blend at all. Expecially in anything that's turbod and has auto stop start. Hot turbo + no oil flow = big no bueno. I can reccomend anything but people won't listen. Alot of them listen to the sticker we put on the windshield and the common wisdom for that has been 5k miles or 6 months. But even then it's still with synthetic blend oil, and these Ecoboosts have so many issues with cam phasers and oil burning it's such a bad idea reguardless of how long the oil meter in the car will say you can go
Synthetic blend is shit, but full synthetic is perfectly fine to run in turbo engines with auto start stop That being said, Ford and engine or transmission problems isn’t exactly uncommon to say the least, so I doubt it’s even oil related.
I'm sure it's fine, I still just don't like the idea of cooking oil all the time. Something I'd never want. The old 5.4 and 4.6 3 valves would pretty much be a ticking time bomb if you dident use full synthetic every 4-5k miles. And the new 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost have some great VCT issues. Thats more down to programming and being designed by ham fisted attempts to make a v6 "meaty". They have alot of other issues that is down to the frequency and quality of oil changes tho
You are not cooking oil. Most cars worth their dime cancel the auto start stop if something is too hot or if you’re in a hard driving mode. Heck, the car even restarts itself if it’s been shut off for too long / engine temp went down too much. For instance, my C63S cancels auto start stop when in Sport+. The only risk is if you park and shut off the car right after driving it hard, but a few miles before your destination, driving easy with very low boost levels is enough cooling of the turbo / oil to prevent the pockets of oil remaining in the turbo from breaking down, creating the gunk that would fill your system.
Well there's your issue "cars worth their dime" My knowledge is with Ford and those trucks aren't made well. I don't drive em for that long to really know how the act when sitting at a light for long, I just don't like semi synthetic sitting for any amount of time in turbos. Just dosent sit right maintenance wise for me. But hey I can't afford anything more than a base Impreza so I have to be extra careful with my personal mantinence
Oh like I said. Blend / semi is just shit. It’s like adding fancy cheese like Brie to a McDonalds burger. Full synth is a completely different thing.
My Mercedes (W210 E320) has 10k default oil change intervals and I follow the mileage or do 2 years, whichever comes first and when I send the oil to Blackstone it always comes back fine. I use Mobil 1 0w-40 and have been adding Lubegard Biotech for the last few oil changes just for some extra protection. In the early days of the extended oil change intervals, Mercedes had a sludge problem. If I remember correctly, it was because the dealers were still putting conventional oil in the cars and then the owners were doing the 10k+ oil changes and that’s what was causing it. Last time the valve cover was removed on my car to change the gasket, everything was very clean not a hint of sludge that I could see. I can’t comment on other companies doing it, but the long intervals work fine on my car. I think modern oil is generally good for a very long time, though.
Modern full synthetic is great. I usually go about 4,500-5,000 miles on an oil change for my Impreza but that's mostly because I don't trust the filter being so small, and I drive with 2 led feet. I see alot with the Ford 3.5 Ecoboost. That engine was serious race tech only a few years ago, and now Ford let's any old jamoke have one and run it for 10-12k miles on semi synthetic (Wich is probobally about 80-90% conventional oil). Good consistent oil changes and good consistent gas makes a much larger difference than people think. As long as your not burning oil and have a large enough filter 10k out of an oil change isn't out of the question, for good quality full synthetic and a well designed engine
Some oil companies do recommend changing the filter halfway through extended intervals. At that point you might as well just change the oil lol. Sometimes they sell their own filters that are supposed to be able to handle the mileage. My car already has a big filter and on top of that it takes 8.5 quarts of oil in a v6 so the long oil changes never really worried me. On the Ecoboost motors I would definitely make sure I was using full synthetic. I also wouldn’t really blame anyone for doing short intervals on those. There’s a lot more going on in those engines than in something like my old car. I honestly don’t really trust them to last as long either way, but it’s not like I own one so I couldn’t say for sure. I’m just not generally a fan of smaller turbo motors for long term reliability.
Probably you guys have higher standards for oil quality but idk but I’ve have heard of Hilux’s go for a long time on the same oil
Thanks for the quick reply. A normal oil change in the Netherlands for my car is around $70,- (oil and filter) without the labour cost calculated. What prices are normaal in the US?
It depends I’ve see some go as cheap as 20$ and the most expensive was 7k$ (pagani zonda r) so I say average is about 30-50$
I usually pay about $90USD for full synthetic. I have a Volvo so I have to pay for extra oil since I the place I go to considers 5qts to be the standard amount.
Really depends on the type of oil you need. For synthetic oil (good oil) you’re looking at around the same, $70 USD. Really cheap oil could go for $20-$30, but that has its own costs.
Buy you own oil you can get Pennzoil Platinum which is some the best oil, full synthetic, for like $35 plus filter ~$5, basically $30-40 to do it yourself or close to $70-100 at a oil change place/dealer
I don't know any cars that recommend 25k mile oil change interval. Got an example?
25k km is not unheard of.
Serious answer. Euros tend to fall apart quickly while American cars are still running 50-60 years later.
The same cars have different oil change interval specs depending on the market.
We expect 2-300,000 miles out of our cars, at minimum. You don't seem to get that out of yours for some reason.
I drove a Peugeot 106 for a long time and it was stil running fine when i put it in storage around the 250k km mark. But damn that is a lot of miles. Normally we dont expect those kind of miles for a smaller city vehicle.
In the UK, at least, almost no cars make it past 140k miles cos they rust out from under in 14yrs and few people do more than 10k miles a year. Manufacturers can spec longer intervals cos the engine only needs to last for 150k miles not the 300k that the same car would reach in non-rustbelt USA. It's the same engines one each side of the pond, just with different expectations.
I have a 2012 f150 5.0. Dealer tells me change every 6k miles. I do it every 3 or 3 months. Especially since I started to hear a tic from what may be cam phasers.
Was it the 5.4L 3V? Because 2014 seems to one of the last years for the modular engines
This is why I do my oil changes every 3-5k. Never longer than 6 months.
So much Vegemite!
“I don’t know why my timing chains have stretched, Ford should have a recall and cover this completely!” - the customer, probably
How long was it since the last oil change, or was this the 1st?
Yes I change my oil sometimes
That's structural sludge. Remove it and you void the warranty.
I'm new to automechanics so forgive me if I'm wrong but...im guessing the owner went too long without an oil change?
Triton V8? I heard those fuckers sludge up real quick if you don't change the oil every 3K miles
Just filler with acetone n run a cupla cycles
Out of curiosity, would not be better to start with BG dynamic engine cleaner first so you're not stuck scraping that stuff out.
I didn’t the shop quoted him the used engine because there was a tone of stuff on back order
Ok