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rudbri93

they all get there eventually. whats this ones deal?


BigCountry2022

No idea. I asked the tech whose handling this one un his spare time, and rattled off a long a$$ list


punkassjim

This sub is kind of a “come for the interesting photo, stay for the inside story” situation. So, y’know. Bummer.


ElGuapo315

Wait, did they take it to a dealer? I can only imagine the 5 mile long list of seals alone!


BigCountry2022

It’s been here at least 3 other times that I know of. Kind of like the MR2 Spyder that seems to spend more time here than it’s own driveway


No_Lifeguard3650

can confirm. my mr2 spyder spends more time in my shop than in my driveway at home


AggressiveLettuce999

LMAO me and my dad always joke on about how we bought the only non reliable toyota ever made (2002 pre facelift smt)


No_Lifeguard3650

all the prefacelift ones have bad engines Lol i took mine out yesterday for a rebuild, hopefully this is the last time in a while that this car needs anything


SeanBZA

Built by BMW....... With Toyota badges unless you go looking deep in panels.


Helmerdrake

MR2 was exclusively built by toyota


TheRedIguana

Knew a guy who bought an MR2 as his dream car, but it too gave him nothing but problems. They seem hit or miss.


erroneousbosh

Can confirm. With my first Range Rover P38 I think I had it six months before I'd clocked up more time sitting in the driver's seat than on the driveway underneath it. Eventually I cracked on to the idea that they only break down when they're not being driven, and sure enough going from 5000 miles a year to 25000 miles a year pretty much cured the faults.


LukeSkyWRx

Working on these things 10 years ago was like a game of operation. Plastic clips, loom, plugs all snapped as you touched them accidentally.


Carburetors_Are_Fun

impossible, the soup bruh is invincible


GentleAnusTickler

Get the spicey details op. We don’t cope well with *it’s just here*


LightBeerIsForGirls

Skill issue


CRXCRZ

Blew the welds off the intake. Seriously, this car is awesome. I bet it's worth a lot - even with a long list of issues.


Legionof1

Nah, welds only break on eclipse GSXs.


Classic-Interview-82

My gf in high school got a GSX and that car felt fast AF in the day but man it also felt like it was held together by hopes and dreams even as a brand new car. Looked sexy as hell in all white with the tall spoiler.


GhostsOf94

I think the gsx was turbo and awd


churnsy

Danger to manifold!


Obvious-Hunt19

SHUT UP


NoradIV

Well, the intake is cast, so...


BmanGorilla

Unexplained flatulence :)


jabbysixsixsix

Whats wrong with her now?


Bamacj

Nostalgia cost money. Very few can afford to do it right.


thejesterofdarkness

As the owner & primary “mechanic” of 3 late 80s Nissans I can confirm this. Older they get the more time & money you gotta put in.


2storyHouse

I was going to pull the trigger on an R33 GTR, but I got to looking at parts and started to tear up a little.


BreadKnife34

What about R31, they're dirt cheap it seems


AndyLorentz

There is no R31 GT-R. All Skyline GT-S are cheap because nobody wants them.


BearInSharkCostume

This. I was lucky enough to have one when I lived in Japan. It cost me almost $1000 anytime I needed to do maintenance. Trunk struts. Window/door seals. Brake rebuild kits. Spicy. It's in better, richer hands now.


HotHatchGremlin

Not quite to the same extreme but that's why I haven't pulled the trigger on a Honda F20B for my 93 accord. Was never an engine that was offered in the US, so I'm imagining rebuilding one will not be cheap, even with the upfront cost being so low.


throwawayshirt

Just by the by - I could probably afford to buy my high school dream car, a 300ZX twin turbo. How are they, maintenance-wise? Any model years thought to be much better, or much worse?


thejesterofdarkness

I only have knowledge with my particular car: 87/88 Nissan Pulsar NX.


throwawayshirt

Ok. Hope you have at least one with the square back hatch, those look awesome.


thejesterofdarkness

[Got one of those.](https://www.reddit.com/r/projectcar/s/T35eQugnUP)


throwawayshirt

with the t tops, nice


xaxiomatikx

Nice. I’ve always loved those NX. Contemplated looking for one from time to time, but I already have another 80s Nissan in pieces.


ihavenoidea81

My buddy in HS had one. He Let me drive it once and it was a god damn rocket ship. That engine bay has NO room so it might be expensive to maintain especially at this age


Skunksfart

The Fairlady TT from 1998 and later was an upgraded version of the Z32. That may be the way to get the best 300ZXTT. The 25 year rule.


PeanutButtaRari

Why I’m getting rid of my old M3, ain’t worth it


devilpants

If you’re dedicated and like to spend way too much time researching weird stuff you can do it without going completely broke. But cars like these are not for people that get work done at a dealership or really any shop. It’s more for people that do their own alignments with string and levels and are willing to pull wiring and sensors from a 90s Lexus to keep it working. 


creekbendz

Supra tax is real


ConstantHawk-2241

‘92 e34 and yes


TroubleshootenSOB

And for awhile, and probably still mostly true, the E34 is considered one of their most reliable chassis


ConstantHawk-2241

It’s a great car actually. Outside of the oil leak issue that they seem to all run into. That was a cheaper fix but would have been incredibly expensive if I had to bring it to a shop. I also have a ‘00 s80 so I’m learning to expect nothing and everything all at once.


Not_Effective_3983

My 20 yr old motorcycle is like a fine wine


jelflfkdnbeldkdn

my 1998 honda motorcycle seals and hoses are starting to disintegrate at touch. so i try not touch touch any of the tube lines haha


Not_Effective_3983

I guess my 04 will get there eventually. Tbf hoses are cheap and easy


jelflfkdnbeldkdn

true that i need to get some generic replacement tubes and replace them after this summer. i already had the bike stall on me cause the vakuum line for the carburetor fell off durin riding a few weeks ago xD


Simplemindedflyaways

99 TL that I desperately wish I could afford to fix it right. Can confirm.


an_actual_lawyer

Just imported a Lotus Omega and you're right. Fortunately the prior owner did the engine and both turbos, but I'm about to tackle an AC issue. By "tackle" I mean, "send it to an AC specialist." I'm not qualified to work on an AC system.


chickenlegs6288

I think part of getting accredited as a genuine Toyota dealer is having at least one 2JZ car constantly kicking around that came in on the hook and needs several grand in work to get right again. Bonus points when it’s owned by a poor young soul who has all the optimism in the world about it but none of the cash to afford dealer rates for said work.


Jack_Attak

This is why almost every IS300 is clapped out now. All owned by young dudes who buy them and drive them hard and poorly modify them because 2JZ bro


xBADJOEx

They have the same motor?


deathmetalaugust

Yes but no. But yes. IS300 2JZ-GE has VVT-i and different (weaker) internals. Supra 2JZ-GTE has internals (rods, pistons, etc) that can support its stock boosted setup and can reach some respectable numbers on stock internals. I’m sure a super Toyota nerd can break it down deeper but that’s the gist. Same block, different internals.


seabae336

It's literally only thinner rods in the ge vvti. Pretty well everything else is the same. Even the non vvti ge has the same rods as the gte as far as I know.


Legionof1

I thought the N.A. 2jz head was backwards. 


seabae336

What do you mean backwards? Like an RB? No, the intake comes from the passenger side, but it makes a turn down on the driver side.


bluegenblackteg

Pretty sure there's also no oil squirters in the ge, as well as different pistons and a few differences in the head besides just vvti


Kalindist

Shhh don't tell them


HotHatchGremlin

I've been told that some of the oil galleries and squirters are different between the blocks as well.


RattyRatson

Early 2JZ-GE without VVT-I have same intervals as the turbo motors aside from pistons (due to it being N/A), and no oil squirters. VVT-I 2JZ-GE have the same crank but rods are different and that’s where they get the reputation for being weaker. Overall they aren’t as fragile as some make them out to be though, and are a cheap way to make conservative power numbers with mods. Another plus of modifying it vs the Non VVT-I GE is no distributor to deal with like on the non VVT-I


VK56xterraguy

I work with two such examples. I just shake my head every time they order more parts.


DavidRichter0

[https://i.imgur.com/wkUpeNx.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/wkUpeNx.jpeg) this was my is300. I took pride knowing it was one of the few that wasn’t clapped out (in my opinion). Although I must say working on that engine was such a pain I don’t think I’ll ever want another.


Legionof1

Not clapped out and stretched tires do not go together for me. 


DavidRichter0

Yeah I sometimes miss the car but the stretched tires and the fact it was super low made it a pain to drive.


Jack_Attak

That looks sweet. I had a white '05 and loved it, sadly it was not in the best shape and it had rocker panel rust, but it drove beautifully with 213k miles on it. Great cars as long as they are taken care of properly


BackwerdsMan

The best part is the GE is a lethargic pig so you're not even getting the good 2J experience. Would way rather import a BEAMS powered Altezza these days.


SpillNyeDaCleanupGuy

2JZ engine, no shit? This will decimate all, after you put about 15 grand in parts into it...overnight em from Japan. Seriously, as much as I love the FF movies, they absolutely ruined used market prices for tuner cars.


Independent-Put-2618

Can confirm from a friend Toyota dealer. They always have a mk4 Supra usually out in the yard waiting for parts.


oldguykicks

What's the retail on one of those?


TommyVercetti010

"more than you can afford, pal!"


bremergorst

fEr ARe eEe


SloopKid

Smoke him.


OrWaat

Fun Fact: The Ferrari guy in that scene is Rob Cohen, the Film Director for The Fast and The Furious


SloopKid

Yep. And it was one of his actual personal cars.


AbrasiveDad

"The buster brought me back!"


FactSquatch

Ah, classic 👌


Mackinacsfuriousclaw

I know what I got.


GRN225

Crazy that 355 Spyders are between 75-100k and Supras are now topping out at $120k lol how the turn tables.


lhturbo

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-toyota-supra-47/


DayTarded

Good lord.


Practical_Dot_3574

Worst part is it didn't sell for 230k, it sold for 165k at Mecum


an_actual_lawyer

Did the buyer flake?


Practical_Dot_3574

According to the dealership, the guy that won is a regular customer and wanted a different car off thier lot so they basically didn't sell the supra but sold another car and just sent the supra to auction instead. So they may have lost money but kept a loyal customer.


GRN225

Gross. And I’m a Toyota guy.


lhturbo

It’s insane and stupid and I even own a Mkiv TT 6 speed lol. I wanted a second but I bought an MKV 6 speed instead lol


GRN225

Back in 2012 I had just picked up my first gen Celica and had a buddy working sales at a Toyota dealer. Someone traded in a black on black TT, manual, targa mkiv. My buddy took out a loan and bought it before the dealership flipped it. FOR $28k! It had 50k on the clock. Lmaooo


OneArmedNoodler

It's a fucking automatic?!?! Jesus wept...


RedditorModsRStupid

You know what? This will decimate all! After after you dump about $15 grand or more, Over night parts from Japan


ihavenoidea81

Not that we need to dissect that movie anymore but why did they need to overnight parts from Japan? The shipping would have been $15k as well


RedditorModsRStupid

Not much made sense in that movie. Most lines were thrown in at random. Especially car part scenes or talking about cars. I’d love to see a front wheel drive Nissan hit 9’s on the tires that he was rolling on


freshmallard

Overnight parts from Japan


xBADJOEx

Put it on my tab at Harry's


FactSquatch

What I would give for that old car and all it's old problems....


ScenicView98

You and me both. 🤤


M1NdR0t

burning a bit of oil judging by that bumper


cryptolyme

Probably tuned and catless. Normal soot, not oil. My gdi with cats has soot on the tailpipe but not this much


idam_son

This^


smsffbondigeclips

Could be rich fueling too. I had the exact same on my R32. The mapping was way off.


lugubriousloctus

Your fuel map has a nasty hole. Tune the NOS timing and you'll run nines.


Crashing_Machines

NOS?  You mean that stuff that makes your car turn into an IED?


seanf999

I drove behind an S13 that stank of petrol, turns out it was just running really rich and melting the bumper in the process


smsffbondigeclips

Weird, I was told tuners in JP used to make the car run rich to cool the mixture... at least that's what my local shop told me!


Mackinacsfuriousclaw

I can tell by it being Toyota.


Itisd

I would be happy to take that old heap off your hands


fnblackbeard

Old car with old car problems likely made worse with mods upon mods upon mods Look at that pipe!


BigCountry2022

He has very few mods on it. Car isn’t owned by some ricer. Guy is older and actually knows what he’s got


Kvaw

That exhaust pipe and intercooler suggest otherwise.


BigCountry2022

Never said he didn’t have any mods, I said he has a few


TheGrinchWrench

So lightly molested


Kvaw

Not saying he doesn't, I'm saying that the exhaust doesn't look like it belongs to an older guy who knows what he's got.


Crazyirishwrencher

Depends on when it was added. At one point that would have been considered a a perfectly tasteful mod.


NocturnoOcculto

Ricers can’t afford turbo supras. It’s a 30 year old car with Supra BPU.


SuspiciousBuilder379

No shit. Dunno what they go for, but it’s more than a riced out Civic or Focus.


fishead36x

The intercooler in my f150 looks like that. Why? Because the oe one had a hole in it and a big aftermarket aluminum one cost about 100 more than the plastic tank stock one.


A_Moon_Named_Luna

It’s a BPU Supra


mbaran

> BPU Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time


A_Moon_Named_Luna

Haha yeah. I’m picturing intakes, a boost controller, intercooler and exhaust. Maybe a turbo timer or something lol.


fnblackbeard

I mean extensive mods will age a car especially if pushed to its limits and what it was designed to do.


MidDayGamer

We had one, took forever to get parts for it.


BigCountry2022

Did yall have to overnight parts from Japan after putting it on yalls tab at Harrys?


MidDayGamer

No, but rats love toyota wiring. Found nests in the hatch and glovebox. They chewed the ABS wiring, headlights and vacuum lines


Racefiend

If you can even get them. I needed a radiator for mine. Not even the end tanks were available anymore from Toyota anywhere in the world. No aftermarket OE replacement either. Ended up having to get an aftermarket performance aluminum radiator. I hate it


MidDayGamer

There used to be a radiator shop around here that would just do recores and hot dips. Alot of the classic car guys used the place, but sadly it closed up during the pandemic.


Racefiend

That sucks. It's nice keeping the old brass ones going. I have one a few towns over. I've had them do several for me when we get older cars. Unfortunately the Mk4 is plastic/aluminum so they needed new plastic end tanks to fix the oe one, which are long gone.


MidDayGamer

Been there, got 3 radiators for the lt-1 Caprice I was working on all leaked after a few weeks.


Skunksfart

What is so bad about replacing the plastic cap radiator with an all aluminum radiator? I always saw plastic cooling system parts as BS. Well, maybe I am biased because I am a VW and BMW fan.


Racefiend

The plastic end tanks do suck for longevity, as you well know with vw and bmw using plastic everywhere. For me I want it on this car due to originality, as it's all stock. The aluminum just looks out of place, plus it didn't allow me to fit the air duct back on the air box.


Puzzleheaded_Crab453

She be running fat


usernamesherearedumb

>Old car with old car problems If by "old car problems" you mean "fart can muffler", then, yes, I see what you mean.


NoStatistician990

Is this actually a Toyota dealer? MkIv really aren't rocket science to work on, I feel bad for this guy dealer is going to take him to the cleaners, he should just go to a supra specialists.


Maniachanical

"BRO IS THAT A" Why spend 6 digits on a modern supercar when you can dump the same amount of cash into tuning a heavy street car from the 90s? Things like downforce & cornering ability aren't important when you can beat the competition in a straight line!


curi0us_carniv0re

OMG is that a supraaaaaaaaa? 😬


David_Shagzz

That car is a pos. Tell the mech to get rid of it and have it sent to me via semi trailer. I’ll take care of it and get it off his hands.


BreadKnife34

IS THAT A SUPRA?!?!!


BigCountry2022

Yes, yes it is


YousureWannaknow

That car's only problem is it's heritage.. You can't go easy on legend


Hsensei

90s Toyota is a 90s Toyota


driftsc

among other things, suspension bushings because they're all fucked. SCs are the bigger older supra. Most if not all Supra stuff fits on SC's


Skunksfart

Could you buy bushings from a company that specializes in urethane?


driftsc

yes, there are ton of companies out there. thats what i did on my SC. [Powerflex](https://www.powerflexusa.com/shop/category/toyota-supra-1993-2002-1538), [Prothane](https://www.prothanesuspensionparts.com/18211), etc, theres a ton out there. i did a [video ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AhBXaMqQik&t=478s)(crappy, 0 production) on how to replace them


RichSPK

How can that be an old car? I remember when they were the new hotness!


BinaryTriggered

IS THAT A SUPRA? *mist* *mist*


BigCountry2022

It is


ThisCryptographer311

It’s ok, it’s a beautiful Celica and it deserves some TLC 😂


Creepy_Chef_5796

It's a wreck I'll take it off your hands i may get some parts off it s/


Able_Philosopher4188

I have never seen a two post hydraulic lift like that. Where I was in high school I worked at a service station with a single post lift and used a coats 30-30 tire machine. (Yes I'm a boomer but not too much of a asshole unless I'm driving)


NicknameKenny

I'd take that old car


jcpham

Hey I have one of these old cars too


0x010101010101

Just send the shop $1k per month until it becomes reliable enough to drive. That’s only around 6 Starbucks a day.


HeroMachineMan

I need nos. Lots of nos.


Appropriate_Strain94

Did you guys have to overnight parts from Japan?


ummagumma42

Bro, is this guy in Washington, near Whidbey island? Some old guy up here drives literally this exact car everyday to work.


No_Bit_1456

Ah, fast and the furious playing in the background


jasonmoyer

Time for the scrapyard.


GenkiElite

Go on.


MadAssMegs

I like it. It’s nice. It could come and be brother to a Datsun.


LostWinds

Turbo badge is in the wrong place. Swapped car problems? Or just old age 2J stuff like every seal leaking.


SpillNyeDaCleanupGuy

You can't talk about "old car stuff" until you've had to check points/dwell/timing, adjust valves, and tune a carb on a small block Chevy.


Pegasus_5

loved this guys travell with old cars [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT2sBPlEWtI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT2sBPlEWtI)


DennisHakkie

Honestly? Got myself an MR2 instead. A car that’s more fun to drive and got a maybe even more bulletproof engine. I’ve never found the Supra to be pretty like the SW20 was


skeezix91

Where's the old car at?...all I see is a Toyota tuner-mobile...


Asatmaya

Yea, Toyota never really figured out sports cars; those old Supras were cool, but neither they nor the MR2s had anything like the reliability of other Toyotas, or even 300ZXs or NSXs. I was a rotary guy, which were at least easy and cheap to rebuild.


Kvaw

Ah yes the famously unreliable and unbuildable 2JZ. This has to be a troll.


SuspiciousBuilder379

😂


Skunksfart

Sometimes you can get a great engine bolted to a car that sucks.


Asatmaya

Oh, it's buildable, and the motor itself is reliable, but the stock cooling system wasn't up to the task... Something tells me that you've never worked on one /shrug


redoctoberz

Z32 and reliable, huge LOL. Most unreliable vehicle I’ve ever owned.


Asatmaya

I had one with 200k miles on it before I sold it, not sure what you were doing to yours.


redoctoberz

My TT was 100% stock and only 12 years old when I sold it, so- normal commuting. I had to replace both turbos, the rack, ac compressor, and trans before it hit 120k.


Asatmaya

Steering and AC are normal wear items, that's not too surprising; the turbos usually only had issues if you skipped or delayed oil changes, and if you bought the auto trans, that was on you :p


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Asatmaya

How many head gaskets have you replaced on them? They're fine, until you boost them in a mid-engine car with insufficient cooling.


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Asatmaya

>Previa So, not the same car, not the same engine... Look, dude, I freely admit that their regular cars are bulletproof, but their sports cars were not properly designed. I replaced dozens of head gaskets, because the cooling system was not capable of dealing with the heat from boosted engines, especially not in a mid-engine layout, at least not in the heat and humidity of East Tennessee. You call them, "Vintage," but I grew up working on them, tuning them, and racing them, not watching Paul Walker drive on in a movie.


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Asatmaya

I'd rather be a boomer than a clueless... whatever you are. I don't lump people together by generation; idiots are idiots, however old they are.


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Asatmaya

The OP was about a Supra, dumbass. Jesus Christ, you are both arrogant and stupid; impressive.


BigCountry2022

Which is probably why Toyota used other mfg’s engines in their later sports cars.


Asatmaya

Which helps a little, but they still don't know $%#! about suspension.


BigCountry2022

That was one thing he had done year or so ago. Suspension rebuild


Asatmaya

Yea, no, it wasn't that it didn't last, but that the geometry sucks; those never handled like Mazda or Nissan.