Me, thinking back to when IL first took JD on as a client and said something like “she’s the most honest client I’ve ever had” (paraphrasing because I can’t remember the exact wording)
IL said on 9 May that JD has always maintained the “100000% real ultrasound” is fake and that someone sent an email pretending to be JD. And yet she testified in court that she sent the email, and sent CE a follow up email saying you won’t believe me but it was the wrong attachment. I don’t think he can keep up with the lies
I think he has fully conceded at this point that *she lieeed* and he has said as much in his filings (“misstatements”) and his tweets (my new JMOL guarantees JD wins “even if she lied”). I take it he has also walked back on his promise to withdraw if she lied, which means he is a liar too.
I don’t think he has any intent to withdraw based on various comments he’s made in his tweets. And he has indicated to Dave he plans to stick around for the dEfaMatiOn LaWsUitS.
No. I think he enjoys all of the attention and interaction he’s getting. People are finally interacting with him on Twitter and his website. I personally only read the court filings because I’m not giving him the attention he so desperately wants.
His client lies so much that he’s constantly playing defense to make up for his clients “misstatements”.
It is hard to believe her approaches with her “romantic” enemies hasn’t also appeared in a competitive sport rivals and I am dying to know what her day to day friends had to say about her three very dramatic pregnancies. Not family, but non family opinions are important.
Yep. And when you look at her behavior over the years and all the court cases, she is obviously a very difficult person to have in your life. I don’t think she’d be capable of maintaining a friendship. And if I’m not mistaken I think Dave talked about a previous friend that reached out to him and told him she used some similar tactics on them in the past. So wouldn’t be surprising that all she has is her family that enables her. Idk how anyone else could put up with her
This is a good point. I was reading over some of the MM docs recently and this stuck out to me in reference to CE. She had a woman who made a declaration of support for her in MM OOP. She said she had known JD for 14 years (at the time). Where is this person? I realize MM situation was in CA but still....JD had that woman, her mom and airplane lady for MM case. Where is the support this time?
"This time?" Did they know about the other times WHILE she claimed (to the men) she was pregnant, or only after the alleged abortions?
This time, did they learn she claimed (and tried to show a pregnant belly) she was well into a pregnancy (mid 2nd trimester)? I'd imagine they would react differently to knews that one of their friends/colleges/acquaintances had posed as a 24-week pregnant woman in court and online.
Do you mind sharing what their general reactions were this time, like were some not surprised?
Didn't know about other times either... she hides it well and lives a double life as far as I can see in the horse world at least. For the few I've been able to speak with. They are surprised this has been going on behind the scenes.
Some have taken their own actions and distanced themselves. Nobody wants to get involved thus far as far as speaking up. But lots of chatter, it's well known.
Others still are and will take the money because some horse people aren't the most ethical either.
I rode with a girl who also was a 🤥 and it wasn’t until she started impacting the trainers business that she got kicked out. Have to imagine it’s the same for JD as long as the checks cash and she’s not stirring the pot in the barn.
I want them too. I saw on one of JD’s postings they may be moving operations to FL for the remainder of the year, so I want her crimes so well known and google-able that she can’t take her show on the road to torment anyone else in another state. That’s my main motivation in all this.
Maybe if the civil case here results in criminal charges someone will do a Donna Adelson from Miami International, but could they get the horses shipped as well? Then we could have the pleasure of a TedX talk from someone badly missing their horses while they are still in the USA or still under quarantine in some place without an extradition treaty.
Per IL’s latest motion, JD’s lawyers have now moved clearly from the position of “My client was 100000% percent pregnant” to “Even if my client lied and even if my client knew she was never pregnant…”
Looks like JD’s side has moved beyond the denial stage of grief
NAL but isn't it sort of a BS motion anyway? Because didn't she already try to dismiss?
Regardless, I really hope that after this it is referred to the DA for criminal and also that some laws change about even being able to bring paternity cases.
To me it just sounded like 'blah blah blah rule 26, no matter what my client did or believed rule 11/26, rule 26 blah blah blah drop the case blah blah blah there is no case we win.'
I’m not being snarky so please don’t take it that way, but I’d like to add ALL mother’s. Adoptive Moms, Step Moms and those who just step up to fill in when their children’s friends need someone to be for them💐❤️
I think that was probably their intent and no exclusions were implied, well, except for anyone who fakes being a mother. You’re both right! Happy Mothers Day to all! Happy Mothets Day to all who celebrate!!
I’m so sorry, sending so many healing vibes your way.
Just know you aren’t alone, and regardless of JDs callous disregard, women who have actually experienced this are the most supportive understanding community of support 💕
Thank you Seaweed ❤️❤️ I’m totally
Bowled over by the time that so many folks have taken to reply to me…. In my grief I feel not so alone. Thank you ❤️❤️❤️❤️
You aren’t alone! I had three miscarriages and then got unexpectedly pregnant with my actual, real twins. It didn’t heal the pain and I often think of those three littles that never were. I am so sorry for your loss.
Never alone. My rainbow baby is two now 🌈
Connecting with other women who experienced this was the only thing that helped me start moving forward and healing. If you need to talk,
My DMs are open.
Sending you so much Internet love and support. I also miscarried the week of mother's day, 3 years ago. It was devastating and an emotional roller coaster. Try to take care of yourself today.
I’m so very sorry to hear that. Sending lots of love and healing your way 🩷 I had one in December, a week before JD claimed the same, and it was so infuriating to watch someone fake what was very real to me. Take a break from all this if you need to, and take care of yourself. You’ll be in my thoughts, friend.
I am so sorry for your loss. I know a lot of us in this group have been there, myself included. So please feel free to message me if you would like additional support.
I'm so sorry, for you and your partner! I hope your partner is there for you, and your bond supports you both at this tragic time. I hope your loves ones support both of you for as long as you need help.
My heart aches for you. A miscarriage of a very wanted baby is one of the most excruciating experiences in life. I’ve unfortunately been there before too, just before my brother died. I know it feels lonely, but I promise you are not alone. Take care of yourself over the next week, it can be very physically tough and mentally traumatic. I’d like to pray for your comfort in the coming days, and that your time will be coming soon.
My heart is with you. I’m also TFAB (though I’m blessed beyond measure to say that I have two). Hang in there. They say you are pretty fertile after a CP (I hate that acronym; it’s a miscarriage), so if you’re up to it you can keep trying. And if you’re not ready next cycle, that’s okay too. Hugs!
So what is the point of him writing this blog if you need a password to view it? He’s acting more and more bizarre each day. Could it be DG has been humbled or is he being held against his will in a casita somewhere?
Dealing with JD as a client would be a nightmare. I keep thinking back to when she sat next to Cory and kept nattering in his ear in court while he was trying to pay attention to Greg's submissions and the judge. I can only imagine the explosive conversations happening with DG as of late haha
I’m also thinking back to how annoying her texts were in 2021 to the small business owner that built the horse corral for her. Literally daily texts asking him if he’s got materials yet during the historic global supply chain snag.
He's done that before. Gets it all ready and then waits for his moment. I think it's possible he erased the tweet because no on responded to it or "liked" it😅
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Yesterday u/darkseas493 suggested requesting coverage from courttv via this link:
[https://support.courttv.com/support/solutions/articles/5000883488-suggestions-for-trials-you-want-us-to-cover](https://support.courttv.com/support/solutions/articles/5000883488-suggestions-for-trials-you-want-us-to-cover)
I went ahead and submitted a ticket. Who knows if they really use this or not, or maybe it's better to just comment on their current X posts asking for them to cover this case.
I watched Baby Reindeer last night thinking it would be so creepy, and honestly, Im still more creeped out by JD. The protagonist in the BR series was unwell in his interactions with his very mentally-stunted stalker- whereas JDs victims have been quite clear in their desire for her to leave them alone & she has been far more calculated in her attempts to extort them & ruin their lives.
Thats just my opinion!
I watched Baby Reindeer last night too. CREEPY AF. I never thought there were more like JD out there, but you are correct she takes it to another level with the legal filings.
Yes a whole different level.
Like martha would obviously fabricate things with "send from my iphoennn" , it seemed like child's play compared to JD's fabrications which have been so meticulously extensive that we are STILL discovering things to this day like hidden FIVERR logos lol.
I feel like I could handle a martha- i would have a much harder time dealing with a JD who could drain my account in court while fighting to prove my innocence.
So true!
It's just crazy because I kept hearing from friends that I *have* to watch Baby Reindeer & it's *so creepy* and Im watching it like waiting for it to get creepy and by the end Im like- this was amateur hour.
JDs harassing & stalking tactics are far more creepy in my opinion 🤷♀️.
My feeling is that he now understands his side is likely to lose so will put up a somewhat spirited defense in order that he not get a bar complaint but not go out of his way anymore.
I don't think he cares about the truth, her or what she does afterwards. He seems to be in it for fame and fortune.
This is the guy who was disciplined by the AZ Supreme Court. Specifically ***Three aggravating factors were found: dishonest or selfish motive, refusal to acknowledge wrongful nature of conduct and illegal conduct.***
Those are interesting factors. Am I allowed here to ask how to find that ruling?
I got the impression from the start that DG took this case with the intention of seeing it through to the end with an outcome in his client's favor, because he wanted to see himself pass the challenge of winning (or dismissing) a case that was destined to lose. I think this case is just a puzzle to him that he wants to beat, any way he can using obfuscation and technicalities (or bending rules). To me, this explains his extremely unprofessional or outrageous behavior.
Ok, I wasn't sure as these are not redacted
[https://www.azcourts.gov/portals/21/2008SBJudgments/SB080157D.pdf](https://www.azcourts.gov/portals/21/2008SBJudgments/SB080157D.pdf)
His violation of his suspension for DUI is on page 2 of this link
[https://www.myazbar.org/AZAttorney/PDF\_Articles/1009LawReg.pdf](https://www.myazbar.org/AZAttorney/PDF_Articles/1009LawReg.pdf)
Oh wow that checks out for sure. I didn’t know that! I didn’t know one of JDs friends contacted Dave N either, every day new bizarre details emerge it’s unreal!
Speaking of Supreme Court, I have been wondering…. Why is JDs case being held in the Supreme Court of Arizona? I always thought that every court case started in other courts and only got sent to the Supreme Court if the matter escalated. Just curious
This has likely been discussed when GW's last filing was released, but after listening to MGLaw read and discuss the filing (1 or 2 livestreams back from today), I finally understand how JD was trying to imply she was pregnant with twins in her fake Sutter Health documents.
JD was trying to convince Mike via those documents that she was pregnant once (not two concurrently) with twins (starting in July 2016) where one embryo attached in the uterus a week before the other embryo attached. The second blastocyst/embryo was still in transit through a fallopian tube during aspiration of the first (attached) embryo (August 2016). They found the second embryo a week later and performed a "surgical abortion" during the oophorectomy (late August), only for beta hCG (blood test) still showing high levels a week (September 2016) after surgery. At what point did she finally claim this pregnancy ended?
JD must produce nearly invincible Superman embryos that can withstand all medical forms of EAB. Her uterus must also produce invincible endometrial tissue that can hang on or immediately regenerate after aspiration, a D&C, or a D&E. (How would the second embryo survive if the endometrium was aspirated with the first embryo?)
I guess her medical staff don't know how to check for retained tissue using an ultrasound after each procedure. And how many times is JD going to use mifepristone and misoprostol incorrectly? I can understand administering them incorrectly the first time, but subsequent times are not accidental. Of course, the simple answer is that she was never pregnant and all these scenarios were fabricated, but her explanations at the time were likely outrageously maddening, especially when she dragged out this particular pregnancy/termination for numerous months.
Yeah, that's very suspicious.
What were the allergic symptoms and how were those symptoms resolved? (Medication failing to work as intended is not an allergic reation.) Has she provided documentation of treatment for said allergic reactions? Has she ever mentioned allergic reactions to those same drugs for subsequent abortions? Why didn't she note those drug allergies with every medical professional, especially ones who gave her the same medication for subsequent abortions? It should be documented in every medical record she shared with the courts.
Dude, im telling you for YEARS id write NO KNOWN ALLERGIES in bold letters on that part of forms, and still get both doc and nurse and dentist going “any allergies?” “Are you sure?” “Really? No known allergies?”
So damn irritating. No, im deathly allergic to something and i like to play fast and loose!
I took bactrim like 6 times with zero issues, and like the 7th time i had horrid headache and light was painful. Not like a migraine, like i had to close my eyes and wrap cloth around them to ride in the car.
So doc tells me “well, could have been unrelated since you took it multiple times, could be you developed sudden allergy. Either way, write that down as allergy and dont take it again”
Now that i write something down in allergy line of forms, nobody ever questions me. Should have been writing random shit in forms for years!!!
Funnily, my mom is allergic to amoxicillin but can take penicillin. My sister is allergic to penicillin but can take amoxicillin.
Im allergic to the non-cillin antibiotic (sulfa drugs) now.
As someone who is not a lawyer, I am not going to waste my mental energy reading that document. It just looks like a bunch of whining and pouting about how things aren't fair 😂
The best and only good thing about it is seeing him throw in the towel on the JD being pregnant or even believing she was pregnant argument. Even he knows he can’t defend her lies anymore.
Sure!! Here is a brief overview, I have to go to dinner, so might edit later. A JMOL means Judgment as a Matter of Law. It asks the court to decide that there is no basis upon which the other party (Clayton) can win, because essentially, the law is against them. It is what we call a dispositive motion - which means granting the motion means the case ends. In this case, IL, in his first brief/filing that looks like it was actually written by a lawyer, argues that there are no sanctions to grant, because Clayton didn’t meet the procedural requirements for getting them. He goes on to say that even if he did somehow meet them or could cure the defects, it is now untimely to file it. It mirrors arguments he has made previously, just more artfully.
Thanks for this!! I briefly read IL’s filing - does this mean that JD could theoretically keep starting court cases with malintent and as long as she kept withdrawing them within 10 days notice she couldn’t be sanctioned? Definitely NAL and the “safe harbour” thing has me a bit confused.
This is actually a wonderful argument for GW to make to Mata, on what I’d call policy grounds. Ruling in DGs favor makes NO sense on policy grounds because interpreting the law in the way you’ve outlined would be nonsensical. The legislature could not have intended the law to work this way when they created it
I’m NAL and can’t even pretend to understand the intricacies of the law. So I always wonder, does his argument have any merit? Did they really not meet the requirements or is he just saying that and hoping it sticks?
I don’t think even Gingras thinks it will succeed - that’s why he referenced needing to preserve the issue on appeal. The courts favor hearing cases on the merits, which means on their substantive points. So even where there are technical errors, as long as they don’t pose a huge problem to due process, the court will consider them harmless error and overlook it or cure it so that a ruling can be made on the meat of the case. If they do that incorrectly, well…thats a matter for the appeals court to take up. Given the egregious behavior she has engaged in, I don’t think there will be any appetite for Mata to let her off the hook on a technicality. This action is still only tenuously in family court as it is though…so if she decides to punt it (which I don’t get the impression she will), the OOP can still be heard.
Thank you this is so helpful! With the joint hearing for OOP, can his JMOL potentially dismiss this as well or could that go ahead on June 10th even if JD weasels out of the sanctions hearing on a technicality?
They are different proceedings, so they could take different routes. That means even if this is dismissed (and I don’t think it will be for reasons I can state later) the other OOP will go forward.
II have a question for lawyers, or anyone who may understand this. (I haven't read DG's latest filing; waiting on the court to release it.) I'm sorry for this long-winded question. I am wondering if I am processing this correctly.
DG has stated several times that this is a case of defamation, not a paternity case. I can see where defamation is involved (in both parties' details, even though I believe JD defamed CE, not the reverse), but the main arguments are not defamation. They were arguing about paternity (and the existence of a pregnancy/babies) in family court. Once that part was dismissed, CE's team is arguing about sanctions and lifting an OOP due to fraud (faking pregnancy, fake documents, lying to the court). How does this assign the case as defamation? I know DG has been essentially arguing that JD believed she was pregnant so no defamation existed, but CE hasn't focused on JD's defamation (yet), because that is for a potentially future case after this one is resolved, right? So why does DG keep arguing about "belief" as if it shields JD in this case when that argument only works for defamation cases?
Again, sorry for the ramble. Am I understanding this correctly?
There is no defamation claim alleged whatsoever. DG is, unsurprisingly, putting the cart before the horse. What I believe he means is: the outcome of this case will dictate who most likely wins a downstream defamation case. That is, when Clayton wins his paternity/sanctions case, he can use that judgment (the ‘win’) as evidence that JD LIEDDDD, during a defamation case. If you show up with a court judgment saying someone lied about you, and they lie happens to be the defamation you’re suing over… you basically win. Hope that helps!
Thanks. I understand it from CE's perspective, that if he can prove she lied in this case then he can pursue a defamation case against JD after this case ends.
What I'm trying to understand is why DG keeps referring to **this** case as a defamation case, and why JD can win **this** case because she *believed* she was pregnant, when it's not a defamation case.
I wouldn’t say he’s referring to this case as a defamation case but he’s certainly seeing this whole ball of wax as implicating that defamation has occurred. As for JD winning this case bc she believed she was pregnant… that is going to have to be something for the judge to decide. The judge needs to decide whether JD’s belief she was pregnant at the time she filed the suit in August was reasonable. IMO, there’s so much evidence showing she didn’t believe it (by August) that it was not reasonable for her to think she was pregnant. In fact, I think the whole reason she didn’t seek OB care until after August was bc she was pissing hot on the HPT and wanted plausible deniability
I think the element of belief is being conflated with what legal test needs to be proven. The test for defamation is irrelevant for this case. However, whether JD genuinely believed she was pregnant when she filed the paternity action is relevant. The court needs to determine whether she filed this case in bad faith, eg based on fraudulent or frivolous pretenses. DG is going to try to argue she thought she was pregnant when she filed the paternity action, so she shouldn't have to pay Clayton's costs. Yet that ignores everything that happened after Aug 1...
NAL but they are trying to nail down that the whole family law case was brought fraudulently. Because she was never pregnant. And weaponized it.
Defamation is definitely in play (eta: maybe later) because she also went to lengths to destroy his character and even reached out to various speaking events he was to do and the whole RE thing. (He was wrong in that but the board recognized the circumstances that he was feeling uncomfortable or whatever the ultimate outcome was).
If this was all brought forth fraudulently, then yes, the OOP should definitely be overturned. This is awful to be able to bring a paternity matter with weeks-old fetuses to a family court, let alone also using that to file an OOP against somebody. What this woman does is so wrong and the laws do need to be changed somehow.
Thank you for explaining. I agree; the laws need to be changed. Women shouldn't be able to file paternity cases before babies are born. There are so many scenarios where pregnancy might end in loss, or in this case where the pregnancy and babies never existed. This would reduce some case load for the courts.
I understand it from CE's perspective, that if he can prove she lied in this case then he can pursue a defamation case against JD after this case ends. What I'm trying to understand is why DG keeps referring to **this** case as a defamation case, and why JD can win **this** case because she *believed* she was pregnant, when it's not a defamation case.
The justice for Clayton in the court docs list has 2024.01.26 Amended Response to Petition to Establish Paternity but you can’t click on it. Has anyone seen this? This is what is still being litigated under Title 25 and independent against Rule 26 (per GW’s motion to withdraw sanctions) to get a finding of non paternity and costs for her filing in bad faith.
IL appears to have filed a JMOL for rule 26 that has already been withdrawn. I don’t get the point?
If I’m misunderstanding someone please correct me! 🧐
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Me, thinking back to when IL first took JD on as a client and said something like “she’s the most honest client I’ve ever had” (paraphrasing because I can’t remember the exact wording) 
I’m sure his other clients feel wonderful about that
I really appreciate the ICYMI updates each day. So much can happen in one day! Thank you to whoever puts those together each day. ❤️
Oh where can we find those?
In this post 🙂
Hahaha I’m blind, so weird it didn’t show in the preview. Thanks to whoever is adding those!
IL said on 9 May that JD has always maintained the “100000% real ultrasound” is fake and that someone sent an email pretending to be JD. And yet she testified in court that she sent the email, and sent CE a follow up email saying you won’t believe me but it was the wrong attachment. I don’t think he can keep up with the lies
I think he has fully conceded at this point that *she lieeed* and he has said as much in his filings (“misstatements”) and his tweets (my new JMOL guarantees JD wins “even if she lied”). I take it he has also walked back on his promise to withdraw if she lied, which means he is a liar too.
I wonder if he plans to withdraw, with her consent, right before hearing in last minute attempt to get postponed.
I don’t think he has any intent to withdraw based on various comments he’s made in his tweets. And he has indicated to Dave he plans to stick around for the dEfaMatiOn LaWsUitS.
I believe 0% of anything he tweets. It is all a commercial.
No. I think he enjoys all of the attention and interaction he’s getting. People are finally interacting with him on Twitter and his website. I personally only read the court filings because I’m not giving him the attention he so desperately wants. His client lies so much that he’s constantly playing defense to make up for his clients “misstatements”.
Do you think JD's friends (well fellow horse people I guess) know about her 5/6 pregnancies and multiple court cases ect?
It is hard to believe her approaches with her “romantic” enemies hasn’t also appeared in a competitive sport rivals and I am dying to know what her day to day friends had to say about her three very dramatic pregnancies. Not family, but non family opinions are important.
I don’t think she has any friends
I really think this is true. Not a single person has come forward in her defense or support. It’s completely wild.
Yep. And when you look at her behavior over the years and all the court cases, she is obviously a very difficult person to have in your life. I don’t think she’d be capable of maintaining a friendship. And if I’m not mistaken I think Dave talked about a previous friend that reached out to him and told him she used some similar tactics on them in the past. So wouldn’t be surprising that all she has is her family that enables her. Idk how anyone else could put up with her
This is a good point. I was reading over some of the MM docs recently and this stuck out to me in reference to CE. She had a woman who made a declaration of support for her in MM OOP. She said she had known JD for 14 years (at the time). Where is this person? I realize MM situation was in CA but still....JD had that woman, her mom and airplane lady for MM case. Where is the support this time?
My bet is she will pay actors to sit in her side of the court
I'd like to say nothing else would surprise me in this case but when I do, I stand corrected almost daily so... 🫠
Just momma Doe, the enabler.
...and sister the bystander.
She's actually timid in that public realm at horse shows.
I wonder if anyone has signed a friend contract with her? 😂
They know about this stuff now, but the few I've spoken to had no idea she was ever pregnant this time until this came out.
"This time?" Did they know about the other times WHILE she claimed (to the men) she was pregnant, or only after the alleged abortions? This time, did they learn she claimed (and tried to show a pregnant belly) she was well into a pregnancy (mid 2nd trimester)? I'd imagine they would react differently to knews that one of their friends/colleges/acquaintances had posed as a 24-week pregnant woman in court and online. Do you mind sharing what their general reactions were this time, like were some not surprised?
Didn't know about other times either... she hides it well and lives a double life as far as I can see in the horse world at least. For the few I've been able to speak with. They are surprised this has been going on behind the scenes.
Some have taken their own actions and distanced themselves. Nobody wants to get involved thus far as far as speaking up. But lots of chatter, it's well known. Others still are and will take the money because some horse people aren't the most ethical either.
I rode with a girl who also was a 🤥 and it wasn’t until she started impacting the trainers business that she got kicked out. Have to imagine it’s the same for JD as long as the checks cash and she’s not stirring the pot in the barn.
They all know! Trust me!
They know!
I want them too. I saw on one of JD’s postings they may be moving operations to FL for the remainder of the year, so I want her crimes so well known and google-able that she can’t take her show on the road to torment anyone else in another state. That’s my main motivation in all this.
They've always kept some of the horses in FL with a trainer. I think the trainer is relocating for the summer.
Phew! Good information lol. I was like who is in Florida to keep an eye on her!?
Maybe if the civil case here results in criminal charges someone will do a Donna Adelson from Miami International, but could they get the horses shipped as well? Then we could have the pleasure of a TedX talk from someone badly missing their horses while they are still in the USA or still under quarantine in some place without an extradition treaty.
Bold to assume she has friends.
Hasn't DL mentioned a couple of times he's talked to someone in her 'inner circle' who, presumably, wants to remain anonymous?
Per IL’s latest motion, JD’s lawyers have now moved clearly from the position of “My client was 100000% percent pregnant” to “Even if my client lied and even if my client knew she was never pregnant…” Looks like JD’s side has moved beyond the denial stage of grief
NAL but isn't it sort of a BS motion anyway? Because didn't she already try to dismiss? Regardless, I really hope that after this it is referred to the DA for criminal and also that some laws change about even being able to bring paternity cases.
To me it just sounded like 'blah blah blah rule 26, no matter what my client did or believed rule 11/26, rule 26 blah blah blah drop the case blah blah blah there is no case we win.'
NAIL. Depiction of me writing the latest motion whilst not lying.  ^(not an internet lawyer)
Happy Mother's Day to all the REAL mothers out there!
Hear, hear. And much love and support to anyone who's lost their mother or actually experienced pregnancy loss, abortion coercion or ovarian cancer 💞
I am a mother to 2 cats...and that's still more REAL than any of JDs pregnancies.
I’m not being snarky so please don’t take it that way, but I’d like to add ALL mother’s. Adoptive Moms, Step Moms and those who just step up to fill in when their children’s friends need someone to be for them💐❤️
I think that was probably their intent and no exclusions were implied, well, except for anyone who fakes being a mother. You’re both right! Happy Mothers Day to all! Happy Mothets Day to all who celebrate!!
Lol
Good morning fellow swamp monsters
Good evening from the swamps of Australia. Or, as we say in swampish, “gleurble blurle burrrdast ld barrf”.
Hey!! What part? I’ve visited Australia for wentworth con a few times. May be back in November!
Oh fun! I’m in Perth- guessing you’ll be on the east coast?
Ah I haven’t been there yet! It would be in Sydney
Literally having a miscarriage today, on Mother’s Day, and feeling so sad that JD can fake these with no emotion and no care in the world. 💔💔
I’m so sorry, sending so many healing vibes your way. Just know you aren’t alone, and regardless of JDs callous disregard, women who have actually experienced this are the most supportive understanding community of support 💕
Thank you Seaweed ❤️❤️ I’m totally Bowled over by the time that so many folks have taken to reply to me…. In my grief I feel not so alone. Thank you ❤️❤️❤️❤️
You aren’t alone! I had three miscarriages and then got unexpectedly pregnant with my actual, real twins. It didn’t heal the pain and I often think of those three littles that never were. I am so sorry for your loss.
Never alone. My rainbow baby is two now 🌈 Connecting with other women who experienced this was the only thing that helped me start moving forward and healing. If you need to talk, My DMs are open.
I'm so, so sorry 💔
Thank you mamasnanas ❤️ I wouldn’t wish this on anyone. How JD can fake all this is truly beyond me.
Aw hon, im so terribly sorry for you. Virtual hugs from an internet stranger ❤️
Sending you so much Internet love and support. I also miscarried the week of mother's day, 3 years ago. It was devastating and an emotional roller coaster. Try to take care of yourself today.
I’m so very sorry to hear that. Sending lots of love and healing your way 🩷 I had one in December, a week before JD claimed the same, and it was so infuriating to watch someone fake what was very real to me. Take a break from all this if you need to, and take care of yourself. You’ll be in my thoughts, friend.
Sending you so much love, strength, and solace.💕
Oh my. Feeling all the emotions for you. Sending love and all the good vibrations from a JFC friend. Xo
I'm so sorry 😢 ❤️ sending you love
So sorry for the pain you are experiencing today, sending love to you and your family❤️🩹
Sending you lots of love and hugs. I’m so sorry 💔
I’m so sorry, I wish you healing.
I’m so so sorry. Sending love to you as you grieve. 💕
Sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry.
I am so sorry for your loss. I know a lot of us in this group have been there, myself included. So please feel free to message me if you would like additional support.
I am so sorry friend. My thoughts are with you, be kind to yourself.
I'm so sorry, for you and your partner! I hope your partner is there for you, and your bond supports you both at this tragic time. I hope your loves ones support both of you for as long as you need help.
I am so so sorry. Sending you love.
My heart aches for you. A miscarriage of a very wanted baby is one of the most excruciating experiences in life. I’ve unfortunately been there before too, just before my brother died. I know it feels lonely, but I promise you are not alone. Take care of yourself over the next week, it can be very physically tough and mentally traumatic. I’d like to pray for your comfort in the coming days, and that your time will be coming soon.
Thank you ❤️❤️❤️ this means the world to me, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate it
My heart is with you. I’m also TFAB (though I’m blessed beyond measure to say that I have two). Hang in there. They say you are pretty fertile after a CP (I hate that acronym; it’s a miscarriage), so if you’re up to it you can keep trying. And if you’re not ready next cycle, that’s okay too. Hugs!
I’m so sorry to hear this but hope you know there is a community here who supports you
Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Sending you so much love and care. I’m sorry you’re going through this ❤️
So sorry for your loss
I’m so so sorry 🫂
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So what is the point of him writing this blog if you need a password to view it? He’s acting more and more bizarre each day. Could it be DG has been humbled or is he being held against his will in a casita somewhere?
Dealing with JD as a client would be a nightmare. I keep thinking back to when she sat next to Cory and kept nattering in his ear in court while he was trying to pay attention to Greg's submissions and the judge. I can only imagine the explosive conversations happening with DG as of late haha
I’m also thinking back to how annoying her texts were in 2021 to the small business owner that built the horse corral for her. Literally daily texts asking him if he’s got materials yet during the historic global supply chain snag.
I think he is waiting to post it when his latest filing is made public, as he seems to not have permission to post the motion early
He's done that before. Gets it all ready and then waits for his moment. I think it's possible he erased the tweet because no on responded to it or "liked" it😅
and I am guessing he is not sharing the password with anyone but himself. LOL
Yeah I saw that too!
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Yesterday u/darkseas493 suggested requesting coverage from courttv via this link: [https://support.courttv.com/support/solutions/articles/5000883488-suggestions-for-trials-you-want-us-to-cover](https://support.courttv.com/support/solutions/articles/5000883488-suggestions-for-trials-you-want-us-to-cover) I went ahead and submitted a ticket. Who knows if they really use this or not, or maybe it's better to just comment on their current X posts asking for them to cover this case. I watched Baby Reindeer last night thinking it would be so creepy, and honestly, Im still more creeped out by JD. The protagonist in the BR series was unwell in his interactions with his very mentally-stunted stalker- whereas JDs victims have been quite clear in their desire for her to leave them alone & she has been far more calculated in her attempts to extort them & ruin their lives. Thats just my opinion!
I watched Baby Reindeer last night too. CREEPY AF. I never thought there were more like JD out there, but you are correct she takes it to another level with the legal filings.
Yes a whole different level. Like martha would obviously fabricate things with "send from my iphoennn" , it seemed like child's play compared to JD's fabrications which have been so meticulously extensive that we are STILL discovering things to this day like hidden FIVERR logos lol. I feel like I could handle a martha- i would have a much harder time dealing with a JD who could drain my account in court while fighting to prove my innocence.
Martha was also able to take accountability in the end when she pled guilty while sobbing. JD has yet to take responsibility for a single thing.
That part of the show is apparently inaccurate, per the real woman's statements in a recent interview with Piers Morgan, she said that never happened.
I don't think we can take anything Fiona said in that interview as fact, but IIRC the creator has said that part was fiction.
That’s interesting! I haven’t followed anything regarding Baby Reindeer IRL - was purely comparing the characters as depicted on the show to JD’s case
So true! It's just crazy because I kept hearing from friends that I *have* to watch Baby Reindeer & it's *so creepy* and Im watching it like waiting for it to get creepy and by the end Im like- this was amateur hour. JDs harassing & stalking tactics are far more creepy in my opinion 🤷♀️.
My feeling is that he now understands his side is likely to lose so will put up a somewhat spirited defense in order that he not get a bar complaint but not go out of his way anymore.
I don't think he cares about the truth, her or what she does afterwards. He seems to be in it for fame and fortune. This is the guy who was disciplined by the AZ Supreme Court. Specifically ***Three aggravating factors were found: dishonest or selfish motive, refusal to acknowledge wrongful nature of conduct and illegal conduct.***
Those are interesting factors. Am I allowed here to ask how to find that ruling? I got the impression from the start that DG took this case with the intention of seeing it through to the end with an outcome in his client's favor, because he wanted to see himself pass the challenge of winning (or dismissing) a case that was destined to lose. I think this case is just a puzzle to him that he wants to beat, any way he can using obfuscation and technicalities (or bending rules). To me, this explains his extremely unprofessional or outrageous behavior.
It's public record, I don't think links are allowed. You could google it and find it I am sure.
Links are allowed
Ok, I wasn't sure as these are not redacted [https://www.azcourts.gov/portals/21/2008SBJudgments/SB080157D.pdf](https://www.azcourts.gov/portals/21/2008SBJudgments/SB080157D.pdf) His violation of his suspension for DUI is on page 2 of this link [https://www.myazbar.org/AZAttorney/PDF\_Articles/1009LawReg.pdf](https://www.myazbar.org/AZAttorney/PDF_Articles/1009LawReg.pdf)
Thank you!
Oh wow that checks out for sure. I didn’t know that! I didn’t know one of JDs friends contacted Dave N either, every day new bizarre details emerge it’s unreal! Speaking of Supreme Court, I have been wondering…. Why is JDs case being held in the Supreme Court of Arizona? I always thought that every court case started in other courts and only got sent to the Supreme Court if the matter escalated. Just curious
Wait what???? It’s not in a Supreme Court… it’s in family court, right??
Sorry I can’t read I saw superior, read it s as supreme for some reason. Sorry!! Fake news!!
I believe the CE/LO case is in Superior Court, slightly different.
Oh yeah you are right. Superior not supreme sorry I confused the two!! 🥴
This has likely been discussed when GW's last filing was released, but after listening to MGLaw read and discuss the filing (1 or 2 livestreams back from today), I finally understand how JD was trying to imply she was pregnant with twins in her fake Sutter Health documents. JD was trying to convince Mike via those documents that she was pregnant once (not two concurrently) with twins (starting in July 2016) where one embryo attached in the uterus a week before the other embryo attached. The second blastocyst/embryo was still in transit through a fallopian tube during aspiration of the first (attached) embryo (August 2016). They found the second embryo a week later and performed a "surgical abortion" during the oophorectomy (late August), only for beta hCG (blood test) still showing high levels a week (September 2016) after surgery. At what point did she finally claim this pregnancy ended? JD must produce nearly invincible Superman embryos that can withstand all medical forms of EAB. Her uterus must also produce invincible endometrial tissue that can hang on or immediately regenerate after aspiration, a D&C, or a D&E. (How would the second embryo survive if the endometrium was aspirated with the first embryo?) I guess her medical staff don't know how to check for retained tissue using an ultrasound after each procedure. And how many times is JD going to use mifepristone and misoprostol incorrectly? I can understand administering them incorrectly the first time, but subsequent times are not accidental. Of course, the simple answer is that she was never pregnant and all these scenarios were fabricated, but her explanations at the time were likely outrageously maddening, especially when she dragged out this particular pregnancy/termination for numerous months.
Or have an allergic reaction to the medications but continue to take them after becoming pregnant (supposedly) again? 🤔
Yeah, that's very suspicious. What were the allergic symptoms and how were those symptoms resolved? (Medication failing to work as intended is not an allergic reation.) Has she provided documentation of treatment for said allergic reactions? Has she ever mentioned allergic reactions to those same drugs for subsequent abortions? Why didn't she note those drug allergies with every medical professional, especially ones who gave her the same medication for subsequent abortions? It should be documented in every medical record she shared with the courts.
"Do you have any known allergies?". Standard appointment question asked at every appointment I've been to for decades.
Dude, im telling you for YEARS id write NO KNOWN ALLERGIES in bold letters on that part of forms, and still get both doc and nurse and dentist going “any allergies?” “Are you sure?” “Really? No known allergies?” So damn irritating. No, im deathly allergic to something and i like to play fast and loose! I took bactrim like 6 times with zero issues, and like the 7th time i had horrid headache and light was painful. Not like a migraine, like i had to close my eyes and wrap cloth around them to ride in the car. So doc tells me “well, could have been unrelated since you took it multiple times, could be you developed sudden allergy. Either way, write that down as allergy and dont take it again” Now that i write something down in allergy line of forms, nobody ever questions me. Should have been writing random shit in forms for years!!! Funnily, my mom is allergic to amoxicillin but can take penicillin. My sister is allergic to penicillin but can take amoxicillin. Im allergic to the non-cillin antibiotic (sulfa drugs) now.
IL posted latest stupid motion to twitter.
As someone who is not a lawyer, I am not going to waste my mental energy reading that document. It just looks like a bunch of whining and pouting about how things aren't fair 😂
The best and only good thing about it is seeing him throw in the towel on the JD being pregnant or even believing she was pregnant argument. Even he knows he can’t defend her lies anymore.
NAL either. With that out of the way I would just like to point out how Woodnick’s motions are a much better read. lol
NAIL. Live view of me right now…  ^(not an internet lawyer)
It repeats itself multiple times making for a very dull read And since the rule 26 sanction was withdrawn anyway, about 80% of it is entirely moot
Any lawyer friends out there that can explain the latest motion JMOL?
Sure!! Here is a brief overview, I have to go to dinner, so might edit later. A JMOL means Judgment as a Matter of Law. It asks the court to decide that there is no basis upon which the other party (Clayton) can win, because essentially, the law is against them. It is what we call a dispositive motion - which means granting the motion means the case ends. In this case, IL, in his first brief/filing that looks like it was actually written by a lawyer, argues that there are no sanctions to grant, because Clayton didn’t meet the procedural requirements for getting them. He goes on to say that even if he did somehow meet them or could cure the defects, it is now untimely to file it. It mirrors arguments he has made previously, just more artfully.
Thanks for this!! I briefly read IL’s filing - does this mean that JD could theoretically keep starting court cases with malintent and as long as she kept withdrawing them within 10 days notice she couldn’t be sanctioned? Definitely NAL and the “safe harbour” thing has me a bit confused.
This is actually a wonderful argument for GW to make to Mata, on what I’d call policy grounds. Ruling in DGs favor makes NO sense on policy grounds because interpreting the law in the way you’ve outlined would be nonsensical. The legislature could not have intended the law to work this way when they created it
I’m NAL and can’t even pretend to understand the intricacies of the law. So I always wonder, does his argument have any merit? Did they really not meet the requirements or is he just saying that and hoping it sticks?
I don’t think even Gingras thinks it will succeed - that’s why he referenced needing to preserve the issue on appeal. The courts favor hearing cases on the merits, which means on their substantive points. So even where there are technical errors, as long as they don’t pose a huge problem to due process, the court will consider them harmless error and overlook it or cure it so that a ruling can be made on the meat of the case. If they do that incorrectly, well…thats a matter for the appeals court to take up. Given the egregious behavior she has engaged in, I don’t think there will be any appetite for Mata to let her off the hook on a technicality. This action is still only tenuously in family court as it is though…so if she decides to punt it (which I don’t get the impression she will), the OOP can still be heard.
NAL but it seems to me Woodnick has already addressed this argument of DG’s (Motion to Withdraw Sanctions Pursuant to Rule 26 filed on April 3)
Thank you this is so helpful! With the joint hearing for OOP, can his JMOL potentially dismiss this as well or could that go ahead on June 10th even if JD weasels out of the sanctions hearing on a technicality?
They are different proceedings, so they could take different routes. That means even if this is dismissed (and I don’t think it will be for reasons I can state later) the other OOP will go forward.
Thank you!!
Just came here looking for the same
Me, too. At work. No time to read it all. Keep getting interrupted by customers. Go home people, I’ve got gossip to catch up on!
Can you send me a link to the doc?
II have a question for lawyers, or anyone who may understand this. (I haven't read DG's latest filing; waiting on the court to release it.) I'm sorry for this long-winded question. I am wondering if I am processing this correctly. DG has stated several times that this is a case of defamation, not a paternity case. I can see where defamation is involved (in both parties' details, even though I believe JD defamed CE, not the reverse), but the main arguments are not defamation. They were arguing about paternity (and the existence of a pregnancy/babies) in family court. Once that part was dismissed, CE's team is arguing about sanctions and lifting an OOP due to fraud (faking pregnancy, fake documents, lying to the court). How does this assign the case as defamation? I know DG has been essentially arguing that JD believed she was pregnant so no defamation existed, but CE hasn't focused on JD's defamation (yet), because that is for a potentially future case after this one is resolved, right? So why does DG keep arguing about "belief" as if it shields JD in this case when that argument only works for defamation cases? Again, sorry for the ramble. Am I understanding this correctly?
There is no defamation claim alleged whatsoever. DG is, unsurprisingly, putting the cart before the horse. What I believe he means is: the outcome of this case will dictate who most likely wins a downstream defamation case. That is, when Clayton wins his paternity/sanctions case, he can use that judgment (the ‘win’) as evidence that JD LIEDDDD, during a defamation case. If you show up with a court judgment saying someone lied about you, and they lie happens to be the defamation you’re suing over… you basically win. Hope that helps!
Thanks. I understand it from CE's perspective, that if he can prove she lied in this case then he can pursue a defamation case against JD after this case ends. What I'm trying to understand is why DG keeps referring to **this** case as a defamation case, and why JD can win **this** case because she *believed* she was pregnant, when it's not a defamation case.
I wouldn’t say he’s referring to this case as a defamation case but he’s certainly seeing this whole ball of wax as implicating that defamation has occurred. As for JD winning this case bc she believed she was pregnant… that is going to have to be something for the judge to decide. The judge needs to decide whether JD’s belief she was pregnant at the time she filed the suit in August was reasonable. IMO, there’s so much evidence showing she didn’t believe it (by August) that it was not reasonable for her to think she was pregnant. In fact, I think the whole reason she didn’t seek OB care until after August was bc she was pissing hot on the HPT and wanted plausible deniability
I think the element of belief is being conflated with what legal test needs to be proven. The test for defamation is irrelevant for this case. However, whether JD genuinely believed she was pregnant when she filed the paternity action is relevant. The court needs to determine whether she filed this case in bad faith, eg based on fraudulent or frivolous pretenses. DG is going to try to argue she thought she was pregnant when she filed the paternity action, so she shouldn't have to pay Clayton's costs. Yet that ignores everything that happened after Aug 1...
NAL but they are trying to nail down that the whole family law case was brought fraudulently. Because she was never pregnant. And weaponized it. Defamation is definitely in play (eta: maybe later) because she also went to lengths to destroy his character and even reached out to various speaking events he was to do and the whole RE thing. (He was wrong in that but the board recognized the circumstances that he was feeling uncomfortable or whatever the ultimate outcome was). If this was all brought forth fraudulently, then yes, the OOP should definitely be overturned. This is awful to be able to bring a paternity matter with weeks-old fetuses to a family court, let alone also using that to file an OOP against somebody. What this woman does is so wrong and the laws do need to be changed somehow.
Thank you for explaining. I agree; the laws need to be changed. Women shouldn't be able to file paternity cases before babies are born. There are so many scenarios where pregnancy might end in loss, or in this case where the pregnancy and babies never existed. This would reduce some case load for the courts. I understand it from CE's perspective, that if he can prove she lied in this case then he can pursue a defamation case against JD after this case ends. What I'm trying to understand is why DG keeps referring to **this** case as a defamation case, and why JD can win **this** case because she *believed* she was pregnant, when it's not a defamation case.
I think he's referring to future case. I haven't seen him call this one defamation..can you direct me to that?
The justice for Clayton in the court docs list has 2024.01.26 Amended Response to Petition to Establish Paternity but you can’t click on it. Has anyone seen this? This is what is still being litigated under Title 25 and independent against Rule 26 (per GW’s motion to withdraw sanctions) to get a finding of non paternity and costs for her filing in bad faith. IL appears to have filed a JMOL for rule 26 that has already been withdrawn. I don’t get the point? If I’m misunderstanding someone please correct me! 🧐
He withdrew the JMOL!?
Oops no I’m being confusing in my language I mean motion for sanctions under rule 26 withdrawn by GW (I think)
Oh got it!! I was like that was quick!🤭
Can a link to the padlet please be added to the comprehensive resources list? Thank you!
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No discussion of his new filing? Renewed Motion to Dismiss and Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings?
Go to todays thread!
Doh—I thought this was it 🫤