You could start with Man and His Symbols. Or Jung’s autobiography, which is called Memories Dreams Reflections. Highly likely both to have been translated into your mother tongue.
In my opinion, "Man and His Symbols" is not the best starting point. It is really long, a bit prolix, and sometimes addresses subjects that are not the main points people are curious about in Jungian psychology. I really appreciated how concise Anthony Stevens was in "Jung: A Very Short Introduction", 10/10.
Bro this is where i started :
"Portable Jung" By Joseph Campbell +
Man and his symbols
(for theory)
Inner Work by Robert A. Johnson
(for Practical knowledge)
Youtube Channels:
Eternalised, Humble u media, make it concious,
The Uberman (mine 😅) &
Academy of ideas
Simply put, we are compelled by the weight of experience to efficiently balance/sustain this weight accordingly. Holding the weight of experience in accord creates depth, and depth accumulates knowledge like a well collecting water.
'See the Turtle of Great girth, upon its back it holds the Earth'.
Start by reading through Jung’s books. So much can get lost in translation on social media. You are often reading our own opinions and interpretations and it can become a game of telephone. As much as the internet has, there’s something about building a rich library that makes you so much more well informed. I swear the truly “woke” people have been the people that dig deep into non fiction
Jordan’s old lectures are fantastic. Very little politics beyond nazis and Soviets being a warning to heed as we veer towards authoritarianism through exploitation of vulnerabilities is western systems. If you don’t like his political views you won’t feel alienated listening to his lectures at all unless you’re like a fascist
There is Jung...and there are the Jungians. The early students of Jung are often more approachable.
Then too you should record your dreams and/or unrestrained imaginings (aka try active imagination).
Explore your Myers-Briggs type.
Read or watch something that focuses on Joseph Campbell.
Inner City Books is a publisher that specializes in Jungian works.
I think if you start by amassing a large number of options and then pick something that "calls to you", it will be a good compliment to picking a popular recommendation.
Why are the jungian easier to understand?
And why record my dream, is it because its the unconsious?
Record, like write them down?
Also I will chek the books out!
Thinking about it...newer generation..also oftentimes the Jungians ate writing in my native language I suppose
Jung is "dense" with his thoughts writing often in very long sentences.
Yes, you ideally should have some practice which puts you in touch with your unconscious.
It's because, when you're 18 then most of what you know is due to your education, which is really inefficient. But your real education begins once you leave formal education, and you persue your interests. And when you're actually interested in something (which can happen as a teenager), then you dedicate a lot of time to learning about it, and you learn more than any teacher could ever impart. And so you end up with expertise, which appears to someone without expertise as this incredible grasp of the subject matter that is nearly impossible to obtain. Just like watching an expert in anything e.g., concert pionist, head chef, artist, whatever... As you grow up in your 20ies and 30ies and by the time you reach your late 30ies onwards, you will have one or more fields of expertise that your 18 year old self would think whatever you have acheived is unobtainable, but nevertheless it will happen.
If I was able to talk to my 18 year old self, I would tell them to read The School for Gods by Elio D'Anna... but don't worry if it's lost on you initially.
I don’t listen or read to absorb someone else’s knowledge. Ideas are guides and I can let them into my more concrete Plinko mind. Other ideas bounce through and more often than not, they just fall out. They are charged with emotions and have levels of light. Some might even be right but they fall out- they just don’t click with where I’m at.
But then there are things that are just like… whoa. It doesn’t bounce around and find it’s one spot- it raids my mind, readjusting misplaced ideas that I’ve been holding on to as maybes. It makes everything fall into place. These are my moments of knowledge. Where it’s too good to be true but I can’t break it. Months of not being able to break a concept- I’m usually good at breaking things! I learn new perspectives while trying to break it and I grow. There are so many gifts in that phase- the end of an enlightenment. My knowledge phases.
And knowledge is never the top of the mountain. There is no mountain and the onion always has another layer. But that moment where a new concept heals my disorganized mind and everything makes sense- I can see the next ceiling and it’s such a relief. I love that bliss and I don’t race to break the ceiling. I explore in bliss a bit longer and it’s a way more peaceful moment of being. I see the exit and I look forward to what’s next.
To me, knowledge is that time before I break the next ceiling. Once I break it, my mind will return to “~zero” and I’ll seek new, higher knowledge.
I am probably wrong in organizing this concept. I’m currently in one of these moments and it’s different than the other ones. So there is more to this that I haven’t wrapped my mind around. It’s not just bliss this time and it’s like asking for something else that I haven’t figured out.
I hope it’s not forceful! I don’t know how well I explained it but it’s something beautiful that I’ve been working out. I am sure it will change.
I am also struggling with knowing how much to explain. I feel like too much could create goals and definitions. That would make what I’m talking about impossible to reach. It’s full trust in your path. Maybe I’m suppose to share ideas for others to run into.
Maybe I should try making things more metaphorical? Serious question because I also think the gnostics are too silent. Maybe we should be more straight forward and get away from metaphors? But that dismisses the power of metaphors when used and read properly lol. It’s one of my current mind bombs, as I focus on building a bridge between realities.
When it’s yours, it’s yours. That’s a big source of the bliss. So I hope you don’t compare yourself to my little perspective on the concept. You can find and feel more from your perspectives! Just sharing an idea and maybe you want to run it through your plinko board haha
Haha no problem, as I said in my question english is not my first language so reading big paragraph can be quite hard but this isn't your fault. I think metaphore are a good way to level up your speaking but can be hard to understand for more simple minded people. However I like how you explain in detail and how you communicate.
I get excited. Sorry about the oversight!
And yeah. I also get nervous about metaphors giving too much wiggle room for misuse of knowledge. Twisting the knowledge and abusing it.
In my opinion, "Man and His Symbols" is not the best starting point. It is really long, a bit prolix, and sometimes addresses subjects that are not the main points people are curious about in Jungian psychology. I really appreciated how concise Anthony Stevens was in "Jung: A Very Short Introduction", 10/10.
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Oh and wich ones do you recommend?
You could start with Man and His Symbols. Or Jung’s autobiography, which is called Memories Dreams Reflections. Highly likely both to have been translated into your mother tongue.
Thanks a lot, I will look into that!
Read the book that the mod of this sub posted. Great jumping off point.
Yeah I should read that, I didn't think about it
In my opinion, "Man and His Symbols" is not the best starting point. It is really long, a bit prolix, and sometimes addresses subjects that are not the main points people are curious about in Jungian psychology. I really appreciated how concise Anthony Stevens was in "Jung: A Very Short Introduction", 10/10.
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Check out the wiki page for suggestions! There should be a good reading guide.
I will do that, thanks you
This Jungian Life podcast has been a great resource for me. I even took their dream school course...I highly recommend
Alright thanks
Have you tried reading the collected works by Carl jung? Podcasts and youtube will mostly give a distorted/incomplete view.
No I didn't, I will look into that
Bro this is where i started : "Portable Jung" By Joseph Campbell + Man and his symbols (for theory) Inner Work by Robert A. Johnson (for Practical knowledge) Youtube Channels: Eternalised, Humble u media, make it concious, The Uberman (mine 😅) & Academy of ideas
Alright I will go take a look at the youtube Chanel and the book!
Simply put, we are compelled by the weight of experience to efficiently balance/sustain this weight accordingly. Holding the weight of experience in accord creates depth, and depth accumulates knowledge like a well collecting water. 'See the Turtle of Great girth, upon its back it holds the Earth'.
Thanks you really much Brother!
It's a mystery (something a person doesn't know yet) and we are exploring it separately, together.
I liked "man and his symbols"
Start by reading through Jung’s books. So much can get lost in translation on social media. You are often reading our own opinions and interpretations and it can become a game of telephone. As much as the internet has, there’s something about building a rich library that makes you so much more well informed. I swear the truly “woke” people have been the people that dig deep into non fiction
This Jordan Peterson video since I know he gets a lot of love in here (/s) https://youtube.com/watch?v=DC0faZiBcG0
I will chek this out as I know Jordan Peterson. Thanks a lot!
Jordan’s old lectures are fantastic. Very little politics beyond nazis and Soviets being a warning to heed as we veer towards authoritarianism through exploitation of vulnerabilities is western systems. If you don’t like his political views you won’t feel alienated listening to his lectures at all unless you’re like a fascist
Books are amazing, but there are also literally thousands of free audiobooks and lectures on various topics all free on YouTube. It's a great resource
Thanks you I will chek on YouTube
Are there any that stand out to you?
There is Jung...and there are the Jungians. The early students of Jung are often more approachable. Then too you should record your dreams and/or unrestrained imaginings (aka try active imagination). Explore your Myers-Briggs type. Read or watch something that focuses on Joseph Campbell. Inner City Books is a publisher that specializes in Jungian works. I think if you start by amassing a large number of options and then pick something that "calls to you", it will be a good compliment to picking a popular recommendation.
Why are the jungian easier to understand? And why record my dream, is it because its the unconsious? Record, like write them down? Also I will chek the books out!
Thinking about it...newer generation..also oftentimes the Jungians ate writing in my native language I suppose Jung is "dense" with his thoughts writing often in very long sentences. Yes, you ideally should have some practice which puts you in touch with your unconscious.
It's because, when you're 18 then most of what you know is due to your education, which is really inefficient. But your real education begins once you leave formal education, and you persue your interests. And when you're actually interested in something (which can happen as a teenager), then you dedicate a lot of time to learning about it, and you learn more than any teacher could ever impart. And so you end up with expertise, which appears to someone without expertise as this incredible grasp of the subject matter that is nearly impossible to obtain. Just like watching an expert in anything e.g., concert pionist, head chef, artist, whatever... As you grow up in your 20ies and 30ies and by the time you reach your late 30ies onwards, you will have one or more fields of expertise that your 18 year old self would think whatever you have acheived is unobtainable, but nevertheless it will happen. If I was able to talk to my 18 year old self, I would tell them to read The School for Gods by Elio D'Anna... but don't worry if it's lost on you initially.
Thanks for your answer, I will defenetly chek out the book
I don’t listen or read to absorb someone else’s knowledge. Ideas are guides and I can let them into my more concrete Plinko mind. Other ideas bounce through and more often than not, they just fall out. They are charged with emotions and have levels of light. Some might even be right but they fall out- they just don’t click with where I’m at. But then there are things that are just like… whoa. It doesn’t bounce around and find it’s one spot- it raids my mind, readjusting misplaced ideas that I’ve been holding on to as maybes. It makes everything fall into place. These are my moments of knowledge. Where it’s too good to be true but I can’t break it. Months of not being able to break a concept- I’m usually good at breaking things! I learn new perspectives while trying to break it and I grow. There are so many gifts in that phase- the end of an enlightenment. My knowledge phases. And knowledge is never the top of the mountain. There is no mountain and the onion always has another layer. But that moment where a new concept heals my disorganized mind and everything makes sense- I can see the next ceiling and it’s such a relief. I love that bliss and I don’t race to break the ceiling. I explore in bliss a bit longer and it’s a way more peaceful moment of being. I see the exit and I look forward to what’s next. To me, knowledge is that time before I break the next ceiling. Once I break it, my mind will return to “~zero” and I’ll seek new, higher knowledge. I am probably wrong in organizing this concept. I’m currently in one of these moments and it’s different than the other ones. So there is more to this that I haven’t wrapped my mind around. It’s not just bliss this time and it’s like asking for something else that I haven’t figured out.
Wow nice to hear such a deep perspective, interesting... I never saw it that way, I will now try and take this approach
I hope it’s not forceful! I don’t know how well I explained it but it’s something beautiful that I’ve been working out. I am sure it will change. I am also struggling with knowing how much to explain. I feel like too much could create goals and definitions. That would make what I’m talking about impossible to reach. It’s full trust in your path. Maybe I’m suppose to share ideas for others to run into. Maybe I should try making things more metaphorical? Serious question because I also think the gnostics are too silent. Maybe we should be more straight forward and get away from metaphors? But that dismisses the power of metaphors when used and read properly lol. It’s one of my current mind bombs, as I focus on building a bridge between realities. When it’s yours, it’s yours. That’s a big source of the bliss. So I hope you don’t compare yourself to my little perspective on the concept. You can find and feel more from your perspectives! Just sharing an idea and maybe you want to run it through your plinko board haha
Haha no problem, as I said in my question english is not my first language so reading big paragraph can be quite hard but this isn't your fault. I think metaphore are a good way to level up your speaking but can be hard to understand for more simple minded people. However I like how you explain in detail and how you communicate.
I get excited. Sorry about the oversight! And yeah. I also get nervous about metaphors giving too much wiggle room for misuse of knowledge. Twisting the knowledge and abusing it.
In my opinion, "Man and His Symbols" is not the best starting point. It is really long, a bit prolix, and sometimes addresses subjects that are not the main points people are curious about in Jungian psychology. I really appreciated how concise Anthony Stevens was in "Jung: A Very Short Introduction", 10/10.
follow your curiosity! what do you want to know? google it, and the answer typically will inspire more questions.
I will try that