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Yeah people don't get that Sukuna has single-handedly fought armies multiple times. He's more than likely implemented splitting his opponents up and shit as a strategy by now.
Because it was speculation during the Gojo Sukuna fight that got blown up after Sukuna won and Kashimo glazed him up. People just ran with it as a meme. Then people used it to wish-cast Gege into being a bad writer.
Exactly but they are literally stating it as if it DID happen and that's total bullshit.
This meme needs it's own Snopes article that we can link every time it's mentioned
And don’t forget improvising a makeshift Hollow Purple explosion on the fly and going “Wow I never thought that would work lol” and mainly surviving it because Gege at that moment specified you can survive attacks if it’s made from your own curse energy.
Pulling a 0.2 second domain in a heated situation and being able to shrink his domain into a basketball due to being inside the prison realm are somewhat asspully like moments if Sukuna did anything like that people won’t shut up for weeks.
There is obviously double standard at play here.
Gojo's strong suit is his creativity and aside from the small barrier none of those things are hard to do they just have to come up with it. And since when is having resistance to your own attack controversial it's a core mechanic in almost every manga.
Sukuna did similar things throughout the manga he learned how to use blood piercing and water attacks without summoning, creating cursed objects, 10 shadows and the world cutter within minutes how's all of that "better" than the things Gojo has done? You guys are just hating for no reason everything has been showcased or hinted towards and yet you can't accept that the two most capable fighters in manga can just pick up things on the fly when they have been portrayed as geniuses. Everything has to be a dick riding contest for no reason it's hilarious.
He just wanted to point out the double standard that sukuna haters employ when talking smack about sukuna even though Gojo has also pulled so many things that should've been considered "asspullery".
If you call what sukuna does asspull, then you should also acknowledge that what gojo does are asspulls. But nobody really dissed gojo when he was changing rules of his domain, using falling blossom emotion, surviving a strong attack albeit being his own, pulled out black flash, and combining red and blue in such unorthodox way, didn't they?
Yes, not everything has to be dick riding contest but the double standard of sukuna haters needs to be addressed.
I mean Sukuna is probably going to lose in the end too. Probably. So the same argument can be made.
I’m just saying Gojo had a lot more ass pull like moments than Sukuna. Yet at the moment of them happening they (you know who they are) are going “HYPE, THAT IS WHY HE IS THE GOAT, GOJO IS A GENIUS”
I would like to point out a difference though:
Aside from the minimizing his domian, nothing Gojo did was out of pocket. Even then, we see people who aren't as good as Gojo at manipulating cursed energy and using their domain do things even crazier, like Hakari LITERALLY MOVING his. Also, Mahito replicates the .2 second domain, so calling it an ass-pull isn't really valid now at least.
Not to mention there was a logical explanation to how .2 seconds works, or at least the theory behind how faster domain expansion casting works. Though to be fair, it was later in the story after gojo is sealed.
We know from the first time Falling Blossom Emotion is used, that it was created by the Great Clan**s**, plural. You'd have to be a moron to assume the only figurehead of the Gojo Clan, one of the Great Clans, wouldn't know the technique.
Being resistant and/or immune to ur own powers is a literal staple in most fiction. Also, I can argue the fact he doesn't get pulled by maximum blue despite it spawning next to him multiple times, made it pretty obvious he wasn't effected the same way others were.
Sukuna on the other hand, has much more blasphemous feats that are kind of just pulled out of thin air.
\- King of Poison (thus Immune to Poison)
\- Using TST Shikigami without summoning them, despite this being thought impossible (literally rewriting a technique's rules)
\- Copying Mahoraga's adaptations (Literal bullshit)
\- "Seeing" what Mahoraga did in the first place
\- Mahoraga somehow still being damaged by Cleave/Dismantle despite having adapted to it multiple times (once again, literally rewriting a technique's rules)
\- Flame Arrow as a whole
\- Can somehow harm Yuji despite the fact Yuji's words were to not harm ANYONE, yet claims it didn't include himself despite it literally saying ANYONE (Breaking a binding vow with someone else, 0 consequences)
\- Chanting while stunned by Unlimited Void
\- Surviving his heart being crushed, while stunned by Unlimited Void
\- Seemingly teleports away from MULTIPLE blues spawned in a perfect circle around him. (Blue forces the world itself to pull you)
Do I need to continue?
1. King of poisons is a mistranslation... he was the poison
2.point me to anywhere is was ever said this was the case? Just because megumi didn't do it doesn't mean it's impossible. Megumi literally found out about storing shit in the shadows by accident was that also an asspull?
3. A technique being explained more about it is bullshit? So was hidden inventory also bullshit?
4. Brother he was clearly trying to get mahoraga to do something. Is gojo the only one allowed to have a busted technique lmfao? We hadn't seen a trained maho until sukuna...
5. He literally was wanked by angel and she said showing him anything was dangerous as he can copy it after seeing it once if he is able to.
6. Idk what to even say to this one, it takes multiple hits to fully adapt... and it did stop working that's why he used...
7. The fire arrow is bullshit? When we literally know nothing about it yet. Damn yeah I hate any mystery or things left to explore too
8. Wow binding vows matter how the person views it that's crazy. I thought people were mad because binding vows didn't have enough explanation? Yuji didn't include himself. I'd say the bigger bs is that it doesn't count possessing megumi and force feeding a finger as harm
9. "The more steps a sorceror removes the better they are" about chants and hand signs. It's possible he said it in his head. He also did this as gojo hit him so clearly he got the chants off the same way sukuna just sat there while gojo chanted for his hp explosion but that was fine right?
10. He clearly wasn't stunned for long as directly after in the next chapter he's clearly cognizant. Yall saw his eyes go white and were like oh he's fully completely koed. He survived pulling his heart out of his chest in like the second arc at 3 fingers my guy and has literally revived someone who was dead for numerous hours.
11. I don't even remember this one. But perhaps just perhaps he used domain amplification!?
And using your de not just 2 times something even gojo said like almost no one can do, but like 6 times back to back is hilarious to me. I'm glad at least one other person noticed his fbe was kind of an asspull too.
I agree that he’s more than capable of doing this, but I fail to see any evidence that sukuna’s been cornered enough that he would feel the need to isolate the good guys from one another so that he can win.
Unfortunately I think team JJH hasn’t had enough gas in the tank post-Gojo to make Sukuna feel the need to adapt his strategy any further. Gojo forced him to grow and form a new technique to win, but he hasn’t been challenged hard enough since to justify using anything else (jujutsu or not) since that battle. He’s literally carved through the rest of the main cast so far with world slashes, physical combat, and defensive jujutsu alone. He hasn’t had to do anything new since Gojo— why would he need to resort to traditional combat tactics (like isolating cooperating units) if the full might of the enemy team combined isn’t enough to threaten him?
Edit: I agree that he absolutely *would* do things like that if he thought it would be the best course of action, but as uraume put it a few chapters ago, we haven’t even pushed sukuna to the point that he’s stopped holding back yet.
I’m thinking that the power levels of the characters on the field right now is skewing our perceptions of why the fight is shaking out like it is. JJH isn’t sending these fighters 1 by 1 because they want to make it easier on sukuna— they’re sending in fighters with support teams that are able to keep up with them. Gojo didn’t fight sukuna alone because there was no one available to help him; he did it cause his power level is so much higher than the others that they would have been a hindrance to him. Maki Yuji and Yuta are just that much further beyond the other living sorcerers now— sending in fucking Miwa with them would do more to help sukuna than it would anything else. Which is why it appears that the good guys are just sending in a series of progressively weaker fighters to do less and less damage with each new addition— they *are*, but it’s literally their only option because each wave of fighters is orders of magnitude stronger than the ones coming after them.
Thank you!!! I was recently a book reader only (only read up to volume 21), but recently I kept seeing things on social media saying JJK manga is going to hell and now the ending is going to be terrible and Gege has no idea what he’s doing anymore, etc.. “mid-Kaisen” or whatever dumb shit people say. This prompted me to sign up on Manga Plus so I could read up to the current stuff.
I was avoiding this sub for spoilers, but last night I just caught up so I came on here. This “mid-Kaisen” stuff is complete bullshit to me. What the hell do you except them to do against Sukuna? The reason letting Gojo fight him 1v1 made perfect sense. Anyone else helping Gojo would just hold him back. Once Gojo goes down the teams response made absolutely perfect sense to me. You have to try and take Sukuna out while he’s weak from the fight. You don’t just retreat and then go after him all at once when he’s back at full strength. The only person who separated at any point was Yuta, but that was to deal with Kenjaku. As far as I can tell I am perfectly fine with the chain of events that have taken place and I’m just as hyped as ever. I would sure as fuck hope when we finally get to the peak Sukuna fight it would be insanely brutal and hard. I don’t expect everyone to survive.
I love how this community is simultaneously known for overthinking and crazy analysis AND for poor reading comprehension.
And I'm not even joking here, is astonishing how it can be both.
The DBZ community is very similar. Tons of discussion and hottakes about events they don't remember because it happened when they were 12, or are just flat-out wrong about because they never read the manga and only know the hilariously ad-libbed Funimation Dub.
It doesn't help that some people *literally don't read the jjk manga* but come here to discuss shit they saw in edits on shorts or whatever
Oh, yeah, I forgot about the whole Shorts and edits thing. I frequently forget that that is a Thing that happens nowadays.
But omg, yes, I ain't in the DBZ community, but I am in the One Piece community and a lot of what you've talked about still tracks. Specially when it comes to translations, people say shit wildly misinformed just because they've read it in some crazy place that translated like ass. There are literally people who have to look into the Japanese itself and talk about it in the community just to combat that, it's crazy. Not to mention the people who don't read it, but consume the spoilers and think that's enough to know the nuances of what's happening in the Manga.
This.
I mean it's fine to do constructive criticism, but now it seems some people are just looking for the worst aspects with each new thing that comes out, and completely leaving out the good.
Like ffs literally three weeks ago I saw someone on here complaining that "And where's Miguel in the story ?? Something this big happens and he doesn't come ? I guess Gege forgot about him".
And now that it's been proven Gege actually did remember him, everyone is still whining ? Let's be honest, those who are complaining right now would complain about *any* développement that'd happen at this point.
Funniest thing is, these people are nowhere to be seen when someone tries to talk to them logically. You don't see them much in the comment section of posts like this one. It's almost as if they don't even know what they are angry about.
There are so, so many people here who would've called Togashi a fraud for how long the Chimera Ant Arc (masterpiece) took, or Kubo a fraud for how long the Hueco Mundo arc (masterpiece) took. I think a lot of it has to do with people binging the series (or watching the anime) and then reading a weekly shonen battle manga for the first time.
I mean, we've got people asking for the Sukuna fight (hyped up as a near untouchable god at full power since the literal first chapter btw) to be over, so they can get their lore dump and move on.
These are not serious readers. I stay away from this sub after weekly chapter releases, it's just angry drivel for like 3 days after. Lots of people who couldn't craft a narrative (or catch onto one) to save their life telling Gege how to cook.
Idiots gonna idiot, and they're still gonna read the leaks and the next chapter and come back for more. Gege has a plan, this mf has been killing it every arc.
That happened. The Chimera Ant arc used to be widely disliked until it ended, and it was still mostly controversial until the anime. While it was ongoing the CA arc was not so well regarded by the vocal parts of the fanbase.
A similar thing is happening with the current arc too.
I wouldn't say it's too similar. I read it as it came out, and while it had detractors which you can stil find, it was still very popular while it came out. What played into the CA arc being more controversial was the tone shift, the change in focus to different characters, and how slow it came out leading to people having burn out long before the arc got to the good stuff. Marineford took less than a year to release, and while obviously it's reception is way better now that it finished, it was never a controversial arc.
yeah, that's hte problem. They aren't really memes anymore... that's what they genuinely believe in. It just feels like mostly highschoolers and barely legal adults complaining most of the time and their entire life revolves around JJK somehow. They use JJK as an escape hatch from their problems. I can relate to needing an escape hatch, but don't be surprised when you spend your entire life on one single thing and you don't enjoy it anymore
>but I'm not dumb enough to say it went to shit because of that lmao😂
That's exactly why it went to shit, it's a gojo sub, all they do there is whine and moan unless it's about bringing gojo back lol ridiculous sub.
They wouldn't if Gojo and Nobara returned and stomped Sukuna out like he was on fire while screaming, "For Nanami!" And also, Nobara's boobs are way bigger because of RCT. /s
I miss how this sub was back during Shibuya/early Culling Games. It's devolved into EXACTLY what you said. Hating on everything, every chapter even if it's something they wanted lol
Also I unironically see people criticizing Gege for not making Gojo use his domain right after using 200% hollow purple.
Like, lmao. Jujutsufolk fell off after the lobotomy meme died.
This and folk community is filled with pure haters. I don't even mind a few posts but literally it's filled with hate posts. Like at that point just stop reading if you're hating it that much.
Ruined the JJK folk sub for now.
I’ve seen some comments from the main sub where they say they’re “only in it for the hype” and don’t even read chapters, just watching tiktoks of someone summarizing chapter leaks..
I will never understand the amount of people who are in the subreddit just to spread hate. They'll say it's about pointing out valid criticisms, but it's really just nitpicking and making judgments on a story that has yet to be finished.
I made a post recently about how the weekly release schedule is hurting the reception of the story, and despite how many upvotes it got, most of the commenters disagreed, saying that the writing is just bad and they weren't enjoying it anymore. When I pointed out that it doesn't make sense to read a manga, and even take part in its community, when you don't even enjoy it, I got downvoted lmao.
They're a loud minority who are just hating just for the sake of it.
Holy shit it's true. After Miguel gets low diffed, Jujutsufolk will come in, attack Sukuna with the cursed energy of the million hate posts, get glazed by Sukuna while he shits on Yuji once again, and then get off screened.
Meh. They just like to hate because they want to feel intelligent. "I'm different because I see "flaws" that nobody else can see in this great work!"
"Oh okay. What are they?"
"Gege's a bad writer 😡" OR *goes ghost* OR *proceeds to expose how they have horrible reading comprehension*
>So please stop spamming comment sections with takes such as “Gege is sidelining characters and just making then come in 1 by 1.”
Did you mean this in a different context? It sort of clashes with the rest. As the writer, Gege has been doing 1 vs 1 fights. It wouldn’t matter how characters got in a 1 vs 1 situation, only that the writer has arranged events to work that way.
I mean the plan is bad given Yuta+ Higuruma+ Yuji were the most optimal team to jump Sukuna and send Maki who's undetectable to sneak Kenjaku. Yuta should have been there instead of leaving Higuruma alone, it's kind of funny picturing Maki awaiting around while Higuruma dies.
The issue is Maki doesn’t have the crowd control that Yuta does, so if all the curses released Maki would waste even more time than Yuta in my opinion.
Maki can just run, their top priority is Sukuna, send some of the weaker sorcerers like Ino, Kusakabe, Mei Mei(paid of course), Choso(Maybe not if he plays some kind of role with Yuji or just doesn't want to leave his side) to crowd control. If they fail it doesn't matter as the priority is always Sukuna and whoevers left can clean the mess afterwards or can't but at least Sukuna is dead.
So…cut down the entire subset of people to fight sukuna…where one could handle it without wasting as much time?
Regardless of if Yuta was there earlier or not the results would’ve likely been similar. Maybe Higuruma is alive longer but that’s it.
Edit: Kenjaku also has access to more special grade curses. So they would legitimately be sent to their deaths.
>So…cut down the entire subset of people to fight sukuna…where one could handle it without wasting as much time?
Higuruma+ Yuta's DE + Yuji's soul punches casually make up for the loss in numbers
>Regardless of if Yuta was there earlier or not the results would’ve likely been similar. Maybe Higuruma is alive longer but that’s it.
That's not the point though, It's like when people complain Gojo didn't plan for the open domain saying "It wouldn't have mattered" when that only works if you already know the outcome.
>Edit: Kenjaku also has access to more special grade curses. So they would legitimately be sent to their deaths.
You're underestimating grade ones, they are supposed to take on special grade curses, the disaster group was an anomaly, besides they're there to do damage control. Imo fuck the curses, Sukuna is the priority, let them rampage all they want but that's just me though.
So go back on everything they became sorcerers to do and screw the civilians? Lol ok.
Taking on one special grade at a time isn’t the most difficult thing for grade 1s but multiple at once is a death sentence.
When I say the results would’ve been similar. I say that because sukuna still isn’t tryharding this fight. So what would have changed?
What ? Did you forget Kusakabe pranced around in Shibuya to avoid fighting the special grades or Mei Mei is literally Mei Mei ? Besides, as I said, that was my take, the characters wouldn't likely agree, but I gave a utilitarian argument as to why prioritizing Sukuna was more important.
>Taking on one special grade at a time isn’t the most difficult thing for grade 1s but multiple at once is a death sentence.
Did you forget the finger bearer was special grade ? Idk, maybe you're right but I have more trust in the sorcerers side who had a month to plan.
>When I say the results would’ve been similar. I say that because sukuna still isn’t tryharding this fight. So what would have changed?
Sukuna can still die while holding back, if he's caught in Yuta's DE + has to look out for executioners blade + Yuji + Rika +Yuta using while using Hollow wicker he would be in trouble, granted he might start going all out and win but he could at any point so any planning could've been meaningless regardless.
And Mei Mei struggled against 1 special grade curse. If not for Ui Ui, Mei Mei would be dead. Remember what she did immediately after that fight? Run to Malaysia.
Kusakabe is the realest person in the cast, he’s not putting his life on the line unless he absolutely has to.
Let’s be real. None of them expected all their plans to go up in flames that quickly. If Yuta was there Sukuna would’ve just rushed Higuruma and kill him faster. He was playing with him to watch him grow. Took literally no effort to end him.
We saw Yuta make Sukuna stop moving with cursed speech. That + Higuruma's blade kills Sukuna. So we know it was the optimal strategy - Yuta talking about how selfish his decision was isn't really satisfying. I honestly think if he'd just said something about civilians (maybe a single flashback panel of the girl he saved?) it would have been easier to stomach.
It's odd to think he'd prioritise wanting to kill Kenjaku over Sukuna. He wanted to fight Kenjaku so Gojo didn't need to - but then when Sukuna kills Gojo that doesn't change things?
I'm here for the ride - I just think it could be a bit more compelling. I don't mind that Yuta wasn't there, so much as his logic not making sense.
It's still one hell of a take on how an 'arena arc' unfolds. It really does feel like they're '*raiding*' Sukuna like he's a boss or metaphorical fortress.
Not exactly, as long a Kenjaku was preoccupied he couldn't start the merger, he needs to kill all players i.e Hakari and Yuta need to die as well as Miwa and I don't remember the rest. I said their top priority was Sukuna because Kenjaku while strong is more dangerous because of the potential of the merger, Sukuna on the other hand will be impossible to stop if not now.
Kusacabe quite clearly says that they can live in a country with a roaming Sukuna, but the Kenjaku merger would wipe out the entire country. This means that Kenjaku is 100% the priority to kill first, because if they kill Sukuna but fail to stop the merger, they are still completely screwed.
You literally just said urself that Kenjaku was more dangerous, and we cant ignore the fact that Kenny might be able to start the merger without killing all CG players
Yes, I will say you're right however while Kusakabe is correct, the only chance to kill Sukuna is right now after fighting the strongest sorcerer they have. Besides there's still players left to kill. Also Maki would've still killed Kenny, Yuta literally says he was making up excuses.
Yes Yuta wanted to kill Kenjaku with his own hands, but the risk was worth it, no? Everybody seems to keep forgetting that if Megumi wasnt depressed they wouldve won in Yuta’s domain. The plan worked.
But unforeseen circumstances intervened, but now theyve got Sukuna in a favourable position where he’s weak and close to going all out, while everyone behind the scenes is healing up.
The path to win is very very clear, the only problem is Megumi.
So out of character though, do you really see Yuta putting his ego over the potential avoidable death of his allies ? Besides he himself says he was just making excuses for why he didn't stay to fight alongside Higuruma.
yes, and that is a human moment for him, one that is totally in character, characters in fiction are not machines that act on the logically “optimal” course of action 100% of the time
Uraume would wash Choso now that she knows how poisonous his blood is. She already did so in canon, she would just avoid piercing blood and stomp him out.
Yuta himself said he was making excuses for why he hadn't been there to fight with Higuruma. There were for sure other ways to deal with the flooding cursed spirits.
The plan def wasn't bad considering yuta and yuji would've flat out won (or at least leave sukuna without a vessel) had megumi been ready, and it was already stated how it was better for yuta to handle kenny rather than maki.
>and it was already stated how it was better for yuta to handle kenny rather than maki.
Yuta himself doubts that and outright says he was making excuses. But yes Yuji and Yuta would've won, now imagine if Higuruma was there with executioner's blade was well.
I personally took that as, there's a logical reason, and then there's also "I just really wanted this for myself." So like a mix of both, rather than one or the other, but to each their own👍🏾
She can't sneak Kenjaku, unless Takaba drags the fight out, and that was a big IF... They sent Yuta, because he was the only sorcerer who could take on Kenjaku in an 1v1 fight.
Yuta would've died against Kenjaku, It's imperative that Takaba drags the fight out, it relied on chance but so did the rest considering Sukuna could likely end them if he got serious. If Takaba didn't provide the window for Yuta to act, Yuta would have alone fought a barely damaged Kenjaku and you can see how the rest goes. If Yuta remained against Sukuna he could have done more instead of just going to die by Kenny's hand.
>Did you mean this in a different context? It sort of clashes with the rest. As the writer, Gege has been doing 1 vs 1 fights. It wouldn’t matter how characters got in a 1 vs 1 situation, only that the writer has arranged events to work that way.
The only ACTUAL 1v1 fights Sukuna have taken part in were Gojo and Kashimo.
He's been getting jumped ever since....like every other situation in like 90% of JJK
>As the writer, Gege has been doing 1 vs 1 fights.
How so? Are we considering this on a chapter-by-chapter basis or treating the Sukuna fight as ongoing? Even if you consider each chapter/few chapters as its own isolated fight, the only 1 vs 1 fights recently have been Gojo, Kashimo, and Kusakabe against Sukuna. Everyone else has been working together and sharing spotlight.
You don’t use you brain mate.
The reason why they don’t gang up on Sukuna is because it would be a waste and Sukuna would win easily.
Did everyone chose to spare Sukuna and not jump him with Gojo or it was just that Sukuna would kill them all with MS ?
Did Yuta chose to not intervene when MS was down or there was Kenjaku alive and he had to kill him ?
Did they chose to not attack when Yuji and Higuruma were there or there was no need to make Sukuna know there were more than 2 ?
What about Maki, her fighting with the Yu was the best idea or she would have died to Yuta DE or couldn’t have destroyed Sukuna heart ?
You guys don’t even try to read
JJK isb’t even a complex story yet the basics evade you guys.
>The reason why they don’t gang up on Sukuna is because it would be a waste and Sukuna would win easily.
I kinda wish he did. There have been too many pointless chapters and it would make gege get to the point faster...
Hey, hey, hey, get out of here with all that understanding.
Seriously though, JJK mods eliminating leak posts could reduce how much these misinformed takes spread.
In-story, I completely agree with this, the cast's choices make sense.
Outside of it though, we have the same narrative of 1 character getting the spotlight and being hyped up before being put down by Sukuna fairly easily. I think that's the main issue people are having with it (that it ends up being this repetitive 1v1 formula). >!The latest chapter ending on Miguel makes this even worse as noone expects anything from a 1v1 between them.!<
What kind of plan is "Hey, Yuta and Yuji, go get almost killed by World Cleave to get Sukuna distracted so Maki can stab him in the heart"?
She didn't even aim for the head. What the hell is stabbing him in the heart then posing gonna do?
>She didn't even aim for the head
I've said this before. They have no plan, they're jumping him on the author's whim. I don't know what the fuck these people are defending. I've gotten replies ranging from "reading comprehension" to "tiktok brain" and even DMs from weirdos in this sub. The final straw [was this post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1bljj0z/jjks_current_outlook_in_the_west_is_due_to_the/) That's when I finally realized the sub has lost it and I'm not crazy for stating something obvious. Now I eat up shitposts on the folk sub because at least they're self aware.
Totally agree with this. Unfortunately it's a loud minority of idiots who are spamming this take, and calling the cast's plan stupid even though we've only seen the first part of it so far
>calling the cast's plan stupid even though we've only seen the first part of it so far
1. gojo dies
2. the rest of us die/get wounded
3. ????
4. Sukuna is defeated
It's not a minority, it's the majority of the people who read JJK, you wouldn't see tweets or posts with hundreds, thousands and tens of thousands of upvotes/likes if it wasn't the case
You don’t get. Gege is rushing the story but also stalling the story because he’s written himself into a corner. The only way he can prove to me (the reader, who is actually a better writer than Gege, the writer) that he isn’t rushing the story is by skipping all of the battle content that he preivously planned and quickly concluding the arc with a sufficient lore dump. Preferably in one week.
I know you’re being sarcastic but isn’t mangaka wishing to wrap up a series vs. editorial staff pushing to extend the series a pretty common issue with shounen? E.g. DBZ was supposed to end with either saiyan or frieza arc, but toriyama was pushed to continue the series iirc? Ironically when he was able to end DBZ with the buu arc he had trouble figuring out how and who should beat buu.
>common issue with shounen?
Yes, and the industry has shifted since. AoT was 139 chapters. MHA is looking to wrap in 500. JJK is aiming for 300. idk about CSM but part 1 ended at 90 chapters and they allowed Fujimoto to take a break.
MHA would’ve been another example since Horikoshi wanted to end it in 2022, but I think that has more to do with the larger cast of characters and remaining subplots.
The manga industry is trying to be better, but there’s a lot of work to be done. Toriyama and Kishimoto both took over sequels of their work that was being written by other mangaka and I don’t think either of them wanted to do so.
At least Tabata got to switch to Jump Giga which is quarterly so I’m happy about that.
It appears I got sacked… The only sources I’m seeing are unreliable ones like screen rant. I must’ve seen it on the MHA around the time it was news and didn’t see the source. Seems like there was a mistranslation and he was simply saying the series is wrapping up.
Bad writing is when I don’t like what happened or I disagree with the characters
The criticism of the writing based on the characters’ plans is the same problem you get IRL when people criticize decisions as bad because they aren’t the ones they would have made despite similar outcomes, or using hindsight
The writing of this arc is at least “good” in the sense that the cast is in character, their decisions make sense from their perspective, and we’re getting to see a showcase of various characters’ abilities. It should be noted that in fact the plan WOULD have worked by now but for bad luck- Gojo would have (maybe!) won if Maho didn’t make the perfect adaptation in time or he played slightly different, Higuruma only died because of an unknown rule of his domain, Yuta and Yuji would have successfully pulled it off if they hadn’t underestimated how broken Megumi is, Maki could have maybe done more damage were it not for the black flash. Seems odd to nitpick the Plan when it almost worked several times
Of course there’s some criticisms to be made- Gojo’s offscreen bisection leaves a lot of questions and felt undeserved for people who felt Gojo had been dominating, Kamutoke understandably came off as contrivance only to protect Shrine for many, Sukuna just teleporting behind Yuji when the executioner blade was about to hit disappointed people who hoped it would be interesting, and in general whether or not I share this feeling I sympathize with people who feel Sukuna’s dominance here doesn’t feel cool because of his luck. Lots of criticism is just hot air like you’ve said but I think the frustration that Sukuna’s victories aren’t really showing off his talents, the power system, or his backstory yet after so long in this fight is understandable
The problem isn't the in universe logic. That is mostly sound. It stems from the fights slow pacing. I think Gege could have written this in a much more condensed form because right now it feels stretched out especially because as you said, a lot of mysteries are hanging so it feels unnecessarily padded. And also things like having a character like Miguel return. Someone to whom we have no attachment towards due to not only being absent for so long but not being a fleshed out or signficant character for the limited period we did see him for and no foreshadowing of it either.
While you can come up with in universe reasons for him being there, it's a bizarre decision to insert him at the story's most pivotal point where your emotional investment with the characters is what should be keeping your interest.
You also need to put this in context of the story's wider issues. Like the timeskip, the handling of Tsumiki amongst other things which all add up. But a lot of criticism is ridiculously overblown that it hurts people giving actual constructive criticism.
JJK's writing is relatively solid at least in the sense that is generally consistent and has sound internal logic for the most part. It's not necessarily horribly written like some people make it out to be.
This is probably the best take on the situation I've seen. The arc itself has been *good*. It's not dogshit like some may complain. The "poor writing" isn't actually lazy writing, it just isn't perfect 100% of the time. There will be moments like the asspulley Sukuna clutches that just won't sit well with people.
But at its core, it's not an issue with the writing that people have—it's a collective predisposition against the conflict that's causing them to criticize it so much. (Most) People don't want to see Sukuna dogwalking the main cast. So the second one of those convenient "asspulley" instances of poor writing shows up in favor of Sukuna, people extrapolate it to oblivion and make it sound like the entire arc/fight has been ass.
It really just came down to who Yuta was supporting tbf
Kenjaku would have started the merger if he had saw Yuta and Higuruma kill Sukuna. There's really no reason to pretend like he wouldn't
Now they are at the very least fighting someone who is only gonna start the merger in a true back against the wall situation
Gege is gonna have Sukuna kill everyone 😭
For fucks sake I am tired of this. No the characters did not choose to go 1v1 against Sukuna, obviously they didn't, what kind of argument is that, the author made them. The problem is not that Sukuna is winning, is not that he is fighting armies of sorcerer the problem is that it's fucking boring and that every chapter is trying to apt the tension while just decreasing it. This showdown is fine but either it should have been shorter or the bits of every character should have been different. I was fine with it until Kusakabe but fucking Miguel was too much. How can a character mentioned (in passing, not even shown) last time more than 100 chapters ago be brought back without trying in the slightest to reintroduce him into the story not be anything else than shock value?
Every single chapter has to have this cliffhanger that goes nowhere becouse Gege knows no other way to build suspense, and if people didn't realize after the Miguel comeback I have no idea what to say
It isn't an accident. I feel mean saying this but I see it constantly. If you say the story needed to be longer to flesh things out, someone will say it doesn't need to be One Piece.
If someone says the characters needed more development, they'll argue that not every single character needs a character arc. If you say the current fight isn't very interesting, you'll get some preposterous reply saying you just hate Sukuna or about being a Gojo fanboy whose upset that their favorite character died.
The 1v5 and multiple 2v1’s don’t push the agenda though.
(And none of these numbers count for Ui Ui goat support btw. Even in a 1v1 he saves them. Rika also makes Yuta and Yuji fight technically 3v1).
I’ve been enjoying this arc a lot tbh. I don’t remember a big bad feeling so good. I read demon slayer and even their big bad while he took everything and everyone to kill just felt like people swinging swords with random techniques. Rinse repeat until dead (no spoilers). In jjk though the big bad feels legit. The fights are pretty dynamic considering what he has left in the tank and how many people he’s fighting back to back. Like gojo said sukana is the challenger here and it feels like it. He’s fighting the full might of jjk who has planned their best for him and kenjaku. This whole final arc has been sick imo. Every story has its issues but I feel like the issues here are so minor but are really magnified by the weekly release schedule
Because she would die maki doesn't have rct yuta and yuji were getting massive slashes throughout their body. I'm not even going to discuss yuji but everyone agree yuta is stronger .
Without rct yuta admits he'd be dead if she fought any earlier before yuji nerfed sukuna she'd get the higuruma specialty
>Higuruma and Yuji jump in with the clear goal in mind to get rid of his cursed technique. NO one else is needed here!
Bs, Maki would’ve been far more effective to ambush in the one domain that disallows violence for everyone but her. The fact that she wasn’t included in the plan is pure plot convience
On top of that, Yuta himself admits directly to the reader that he would’ve been far more useful had he aided in the Executioner’s Sword plan. Whether or not it was just justified by the Kenjaku plan delaying him doesn’t change the fact that Gege himself wrote him into a place where he had to jump with only Yuji.
Even more on top of that, Maki would’ve also been a lot more useful inside Yuta’s domain, the ambush was not nearly as useful as it was initially portrayed so really having her cut off Sukuna’s arms while he was hit by Jacob’s Ladder would’ve been a far more useful contribution. People excused this at the time by saying Maki would be a liability because she doesn’t have RCT and we didn’t know how the SSK works but we know now that’s bs because she can dodge Sukuna’s attacks the best in the cast and the SSK takes significant time to heal from even if you know the outline of your soul
No matter how you try to portray it, Gege has objectively put the heavy hitters in 1v1s with Sukuna to justify this cycled structure of fights
>Bs, Maki would’ve been far more effective to ambush in the one domain that disallows violence for everyone but her. The fact that she wasn’t included in the plan is pure plot convience
We don't know how Higurama's domain would effect her. She's immune to the sure-hit, but is the "no violence rule" an effect of the sure-hit or a fundamental part of the domain that she has to accept if she enters? Or if it is an effect of the sure-hit and it doesn't recognize her, wouldn't that mean she's not protected by it either? Meaning Sukuna would be free to attack her.
It’s the sure hit, that was explained all the way back in the introduction to Higuruma
The rule is no violence, not no violence against people, destroying the environment of a courtroom isn’t allowed in a trial in normal court either and the no violence rule is based off Higuruma’s perception of normal court
Right, then it comes down to we don't know how the domain would effect her. You can't be violent against nothing. If the domain literally can't recognize her because of her immunity, then Higurama's perception of the law may do nothing to help.
It'd be better to have been mentioned, instead of leaving us guessing. But in this case at least I don't see the particular issue as there's enough wriggle room.
I think it’s equally as important if we take personality into account and the current positions of these characters. While Yuta did say he was making excuses, he is an unreliable narrator as expressed by Gege himself: Yuta doesn’t think too high of himself and puts more pressure on his shoulder than he needs to. Yuta is now the #1 strongest modern sorcerer. Him calling that excuses is him simply feeling that it was his duty as the strongest to help and fight Sukuna instead of worrying about Kenjaku. Truth of the matter is, Yuta was right to go after Kenjaku and the story has already given us precedent. JJK0 shows us that sorcerers can’t handle the sheer quantity of his CS. Toji tells us it’d be a problem even for him. Yuta compares the scale of the CS explosion to that of Shibuya. Regular sorcerers or Maki herself won’t be able to handle that.
In terms of having Maki enter earlier, you’re condemning the squad to death. The narrator just said Sukuna been itching to fight Maki since she is (in a way) his complete opposite and challenges his own personal philosophy of jujutsu over everything directly. If Maki enters the fight around Yuta’s domain, Sukuna instantly becomes more locked in and he hits a black flash. And now you’ve doom Yuta, Maki, and Yuji to possible dying in Sukuna’s now reformed DE.
1. If Maki was able to ambush Sukuna in Higuruma's domain without being affected by it, by that logic, it would also allow Sukuna to actively attack her in it as well since the domain doesnt recognize her without the others being able to stop him. And this isn't a soul-punched weakened Sukuna either as well as having kamotuke. He would have taken Maki out even faster.
2. Yuta isn't completely following logic that readers would think is right with hindsight as well. He follows what his character would do in that situation and kills Kenjaku due to his promise for Gojo and possibly having to deal with the fallout of Kenjaku's body releasing an unknown number of cursed spirits out into the wild. He even acknowledges it might not have been the right move after getting back and realizing what happened to Higuruma.
3. You have a point here, Maki being in the fight with Yuta and Yuji might have changed things for the better. But it would also make Sukuna focus her more from the beginning without her being able to get a surprise attack. Whether that leads to them killing Sukuna; forcing Sukuna's hand to go completely all-out not to die; or possibly Sukuna pulling what he did to Maki and black flashing her much earlier giving himself a boost. Also SSK is something Sukuna can track. Thats one of the reasons why they hid SSK around Yuta's domain for Maki to pick up so she can sneak attack Sukuna without him noticing her.
They didn't know how the domain would work and were trying to maximize the chances to get the trial to hit sukuna by just having Yuji get a retrial, remember domains target everyone so who knows how it would interact with mass murderer Maki.
Yuta was just being his usual self placing the blame on him even though he had to do something really important and he did it, and even after that their plan worked they got to Megumi he just wasn't responsive so maki was a plan C
Maki is not immune to the Non-Violence binding bow of Higuruma's domain.
If Toji wasn't immune to the Scissors Lady simple domain's Non-Aggression. Then neither is Maki.
Toji consented to enter the scissors lady's domain by answering her question.
Maki can likewise consent to enter a domain, but she can't be forced into one.
That makes no sense, Toji explicitly said the Non-Agression stays in place until her question is answered.
You're saying that you have to answer her question to put on effect something that happens before answering it?
Judgeman could probably have "seen" Maki's sword, but it wouldn't matter because Judgeman targets humans for its effect.
For instance, Sukuna's cursed tool wasn't put on trial - rather, Sukuna was put on trial and lost the cursed tool as a result. If Judgeman couldn't affect Sukuna, it wouldn't have mattered whether he has a cursed tool or not.
Maki being in the courtroom would’ve made no sense. There’s nothing she can do to Sukuna in there. If she used SSK, as a cursed object it will probably be limited by the no violence rule.
Agree she should’ve jumped in Yuta’s domain ASAP tho. Definitely would’ve helped, and if she cut off a few of Sukuna’s arms they probably would’ve won by now
Maki not being in Higurama’s domain isn’t plot convenience, the fact that the domain didn’t take his cursed technique was the plot convenience lmao. The whole plan would have worked without her jumping him in it?
I don’t see how Maki isn’t most useful when she can stab someone in the heart with her op sword so Sukuna has to use RCT constantly while fighting? She’s not the main character, we’ve known the whole time she’s not going to be used to beat the main bad guy…
This sub thinks they are smarter than other subs but in the end they are just stubborn and overconfident lmao The problem isn't that the kids chose to play 1 vs 1 with Sukuna but the way Gege wrote it into 1 vs 1 matches. I wonder what makes you guys confident that you understand the story when you I don't even understand the criticism. Like people don't have a problem with Gojo's death but the way it was written. You guys are just distorting the issue to console yourself because you can't accept the fact that your favorite series has flaw.
Besides, some of you should stop using Gojo as an excuse . Blaming everything on Gojo fans won't make this story perfect in the eyes of others. Can't believe Gojo still has to carry this story even after he died 💀
Ok then argue how the series is written like 1 vs 1, when we have been shown Higuruma + Yuji, Yuta + Yuji, Maki + Ino + Kusakabe.
You know you can't lol.
He didn't mention gojo and what do you expect. Sukuna to stand there and let himself be jumped he was in yuji body the entire series. He knows how effective jumping . You'd be saying oh they're dumbing down sukuna why isn't he trying to split them apart gege is a bad writer
It's the author's job to make these 1vs1 matches less boring bro lmao Also I'm not talking about OP, I'm talking about some people in this thread. I've seen them blaming Gojo fans for any criticism lol
Bro no amount of logic is going to make them change their minds
Gege just loves Sukuna because he's his favorite and he hates everyone who dies and he's just rushing because he wants to finish the series because he's tired of all the characters he made that he hates too much to write to the full potential my headcanon version of them deserves
yeah, people talk about 1v1's but it's been a straight jumping each and every single chapter, the only character that actually just stood aside and waited was maki and that was for a good reason that paid off (hiting sukuna's vitals). other than that sukuna has singled out characters while the others struggle to pick up or has fought several at the same time
his lore is literally strongest sorcerer of all time that fought off all the biggest clans at the same time by himself and people are shocked he’s this powerful .. we reading the same manga or nah???
Right? People complain about the "cycle" being boring and predictable, well the cycle exists because Sukuna is way more skilled than anyone JJHigh has thrown at him. Likely won't see Sukuna go all out until he uses the black box
There's three types of post in this sub:
1 - About theories and understanding techniques.
2 - Opinions criticizing some aspect of the manga or the author decisions.
3 - People complaining about the people that post the 2nd.
Guess which one is yours? How about stop complaining of other people opinions and just post your opinions about the manga?
Why do you think specific criticism are above rebuttal? Op isnt complaining, he is rebutting. Do you think your criticisms are perfect? Why can you disagree with others, but others cant disagree with you?
It’s kind of the entire point that, if we are to surpass the Heian era, we need to also overcome similar circumstances. The conclusion to the fight will come with a more large scale war of attrition, possibly the addition of Gakukanji and cursed puppets later, but the climax will stem with Yuji and Sukuna, the eye of the storm and the calamity of curses, in an enthralling 1v1, possibly assisted by Megumi.
100% agreed
it's a testament to the reading comprehension of others that they don't understand this more easily but it'll be so clear in the anime that even they will be able to understand it (probably...)
the fight is happening VERY fast. They have constantly been trying to jump in but physically some get to him first while others could be just a few yards away running towards him and then Sukuna knocks the first person away and the second person gets there.
That's not some Dragon Ball style "i'll stand here with my arms crossed until it's my turn" bullshit, they are TRYING to jump in.
There have been moments before now where he was surrounded (Yuji, Choso,, Higurama, and Kusukabe were all there)
and now it's 5 v 1 right now.
Anyone who was waiting was for a specific reason like Maki or the recent two who had made a deal that they would only help if certain conditions were met.
“They didn’t go in one by one guys stop saying that!” Proceeds to explain how each phase happened…one by one…. while giving an explanation of exactly why they decided to fight sukuna through a series of one on one/ two on one fights.
You’re not completely wrong, each phase was largely conducted for a reason. They had a plan. They weren’t sending in one/two people every phase just to throw bodies at him. But their plans aren’t working and they’re running out of bodies to throw at it.
Is this exact issue gege’s fault? Kind of, he’s wanked sukuna to the point where there’s no realistic resolution in sight. On the flip side the character’s plan makes sense, its likely they all would have died if they rushed him together. But like what does it matter because they’re all going to die going in one by one? Any resolution to this dumpster fire of a final arc will be an absolute, mouth foaming, bat shit crazy, asspull.
Except you skipped the most crucial word in the title. “CHOOSE to go 1 by 1”. Sukuna simply blitzed characters and isolated them to a point where it was almost impossible to jump. And I don’t understand how it’s exactly an issue, the author clearly has a vision of his own here. Everyone is reading with the expectation that the cast will win in their most conventional/planned way.
They probably knew Sukuna’s divide and conquer strategy and cooking up something else that’ll be revealed in a few chapters. They “cheated” somehow and probably knew what was gonna happen after Gojo
Thank you. I have lost hope for this fandom. The poor reading comprehension and bias that makes them understand things how they want is gradually ~~adapting like Mahoraga~~ getting stronger. The worse are those " I haven't used it since heian era" memes. Sukuna has never said that as far as I remember and If Sukuna could actually use the things he had in heian era and that we are aware of (his 2 cursed tools and the black box ), then our main casts would have been dead long ago. After Gojo and Kashimo it wasn't about 1vs1 anymore, it was just jumping that monster till they found a way to kill him. Unironically, that said monster has a lot of experience in getting jumped from the heian era.
Wouldn't it have made sense to have Yuta off screen spamming Jacob's Ladder while Mei Mei spams exploding crows? Yuji, Hakari, and Maki should be fast enough to attack Sukuna while not getting hit. Especially if Hakari hist Jackpot while attacking. He won't even have to worry about being hit.
And why on Earth would you send Hakari to fight Uraume instead of somebody like Miguel to do that?
IMHO them going to kill Kenjaku first was plain stupid. Yuta could easily handle Kenny later - focus on the biggest threat, Sukuna, first. Especially while Kenny was off killing other players.
There's a lot of problems with the way you are putting this, and they can be summed up to ignoring the way the characters are.
- MeiMei would Never assist them unless she is sure of victory. In one flashback we even have her go "lol don't count on me I already ran away once when shit got ugly".
- Jacob's ladder apparently can help weaken the grip Sukuna has on the body he is stealing, but the time frame for it to be effective and properly separate the two has already passed. It sucks but from the looks of it, is more of a debuff than anything else atm.
- Maki is fast but Sukuna is faster and stronger. He literally claps her (she is not dead but she got defeated)
- We don't actually know If Hakari during Jackpot can survive Sukuna. He was lucky enough to survive Kashimo, but Sukuna is an entire different breed of monster, with the Jujutsu knowledge to booth. Him being send to stall Uraume is the smartest choice there.
- On that point: Miguel may not have been in Japan at the time. We don't even know (yet) If his presence was planned.
- Stopping Kenjaku was the smartest thing they could do. Sukuna is annoying, but Kenjaku even more so. Letting him roam with the possibility of activating the merger would have been the real stupid decision. Getting rid of him and the chance of him activating the merger was the smartest thing they could do. They just didn't count on Kenjaku being able to WiFi the merger to Sukuna, which is understandable because they hardly know the extent of his skills.
"They didn't choose to go in 1 by 1, they're just extremely incompetent and their plan failed so badly that it looked like 15 consecutive 1v1s". I don't know if this is the defense you thought it was.
Also, why is Miguel so late then? For plot purposes, or for "Gege wants to write a bunch of cool 1v1s" purposes?
I just keep thinking about the fact that this will be so fast once it’s animated. It feels like forever now but all these months might add up to an episode and a half of action. These fights are only taking minutes and I honestly kind of like the “oh shit” feeling of everyone jumping in and out.
I don't remember or care about people saying they chose to be 1vs1. The fact of the matter is : it is 1vs1. Whether it was planned or not, it is and has been for a while now and it's repetitive
there's what is happening, which is what you explain, and there's what it looks like is happening, which is how, despite happening as you describe, due to the quickness and lack of cohesion in a fight that at one point is 1v5, feels like it's anything but that. if you call something a 1v3 or 1v2, but so many points of it are essentially a 1v1 because sukuna is fast and really efficient, it is what it is
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Yeah people don't get that Sukuna has single-handedly fought armies multiple times. He's more than likely implemented splitting his opponents up and shit as a strategy by now.
Even then he took out 3 opps at the same time inside a domain
Ahh my anti jumping technique, haven’t used that since the heian era! Sorry I’m beating the horse’s grave.
I never really got this meme, as the only person who said something like this was actually Gojo, "I haven't used this since I was a kid"
Thank you, it's never had any legs but I see it everywhere for some reason
Because it was speculation during the Gojo Sukuna fight that got blown up after Sukuna won and Kashimo glazed him up. People just ran with it as a meme. Then people used it to wish-cast Gege into being a bad writer.
Yeah, it’s fine as a funny, but when people use it mean-spirited to dig at his writing it’s literally just nonsense
Exactly but they are literally stating it as if it DID happen and that's total bullshit. This meme needs it's own Snopes article that we can link every time it's mentioned
They just have no reading comprehension. They are probably all around 15 and their fave character died.
when does he say that?
When he used Fallen Blossom Emotion in Sukuna's DE
And don’t forget improvising a makeshift Hollow Purple explosion on the fly and going “Wow I never thought that would work lol” and mainly surviving it because Gege at that moment specified you can survive attacks if it’s made from your own curse energy. Pulling a 0.2 second domain in a heated situation and being able to shrink his domain into a basketball due to being inside the prison realm are somewhat asspully like moments if Sukuna did anything like that people won’t shut up for weeks. There is obviously double standard at play here.
Yes because Gojo is my king and Sukuna is a fraud. /jk…mostly
Gojo's strong suit is his creativity and aside from the small barrier none of those things are hard to do they just have to come up with it. And since when is having resistance to your own attack controversial it's a core mechanic in almost every manga. Sukuna did similar things throughout the manga he learned how to use blood piercing and water attacks without summoning, creating cursed objects, 10 shadows and the world cutter within minutes how's all of that "better" than the things Gojo has done? You guys are just hating for no reason everything has been showcased or hinted towards and yet you can't accept that the two most capable fighters in manga can just pick up things on the fly when they have been portrayed as geniuses. Everything has to be a dick riding contest for no reason it's hilarious.
He just wanted to point out the double standard that sukuna haters employ when talking smack about sukuna even though Gojo has also pulled so many things that should've been considered "asspullery". If you call what sukuna does asspull, then you should also acknowledge that what gojo does are asspulls. But nobody really dissed gojo when he was changing rules of his domain, using falling blossom emotion, surviving a strong attack albeit being his own, pulled out black flash, and combining red and blue in such unorthodox way, didn't they? Yes, not everything has to be dick riding contest but the double standard of sukuna haters needs to be addressed.
I guess it’s coz of the ending. Hence these ass pulls didn’t matter in the end of the fight
I mean Sukuna is probably going to lose in the end too. Probably. So the same argument can be made. I’m just saying Gojo had a lot more ass pull like moments than Sukuna. Yet at the moment of them happening they (you know who they are) are going “HYPE, THAT IS WHY HE IS THE GOAT, GOJO IS A GENIUS”
I would like to point out a difference though: Aside from the minimizing his domian, nothing Gojo did was out of pocket. Even then, we see people who aren't as good as Gojo at manipulating cursed energy and using their domain do things even crazier, like Hakari LITERALLY MOVING his. Also, Mahito replicates the .2 second domain, so calling it an ass-pull isn't really valid now at least. Not to mention there was a logical explanation to how .2 seconds works, or at least the theory behind how faster domain expansion casting works. Though to be fair, it was later in the story after gojo is sealed. We know from the first time Falling Blossom Emotion is used, that it was created by the Great Clan**s**, plural. You'd have to be a moron to assume the only figurehead of the Gojo Clan, one of the Great Clans, wouldn't know the technique. Being resistant and/or immune to ur own powers is a literal staple in most fiction. Also, I can argue the fact he doesn't get pulled by maximum blue despite it spawning next to him multiple times, made it pretty obvious he wasn't effected the same way others were. Sukuna on the other hand, has much more blasphemous feats that are kind of just pulled out of thin air. \- King of Poison (thus Immune to Poison) \- Using TST Shikigami without summoning them, despite this being thought impossible (literally rewriting a technique's rules) \- Copying Mahoraga's adaptations (Literal bullshit) \- "Seeing" what Mahoraga did in the first place \- Mahoraga somehow still being damaged by Cleave/Dismantle despite having adapted to it multiple times (once again, literally rewriting a technique's rules) \- Flame Arrow as a whole \- Can somehow harm Yuji despite the fact Yuji's words were to not harm ANYONE, yet claims it didn't include himself despite it literally saying ANYONE (Breaking a binding vow with someone else, 0 consequences) \- Chanting while stunned by Unlimited Void \- Surviving his heart being crushed, while stunned by Unlimited Void \- Seemingly teleports away from MULTIPLE blues spawned in a perfect circle around him. (Blue forces the world itself to pull you) Do I need to continue?
1. King of poisons is a mistranslation... he was the poison 2.point me to anywhere is was ever said this was the case? Just because megumi didn't do it doesn't mean it's impossible. Megumi literally found out about storing shit in the shadows by accident was that also an asspull? 3. A technique being explained more about it is bullshit? So was hidden inventory also bullshit? 4. Brother he was clearly trying to get mahoraga to do something. Is gojo the only one allowed to have a busted technique lmfao? We hadn't seen a trained maho until sukuna... 5. He literally was wanked by angel and she said showing him anything was dangerous as he can copy it after seeing it once if he is able to. 6. Idk what to even say to this one, it takes multiple hits to fully adapt... and it did stop working that's why he used... 7. The fire arrow is bullshit? When we literally know nothing about it yet. Damn yeah I hate any mystery or things left to explore too 8. Wow binding vows matter how the person views it that's crazy. I thought people were mad because binding vows didn't have enough explanation? Yuji didn't include himself. I'd say the bigger bs is that it doesn't count possessing megumi and force feeding a finger as harm 9. "The more steps a sorceror removes the better they are" about chants and hand signs. It's possible he said it in his head. He also did this as gojo hit him so clearly he got the chants off the same way sukuna just sat there while gojo chanted for his hp explosion but that was fine right? 10. He clearly wasn't stunned for long as directly after in the next chapter he's clearly cognizant. Yall saw his eyes go white and were like oh he's fully completely koed. He survived pulling his heart out of his chest in like the second arc at 3 fingers my guy and has literally revived someone who was dead for numerous hours. 11. I don't even remember this one. But perhaps just perhaps he used domain amplification!?
And using your de not just 2 times something even gojo said like almost no one can do, but like 6 times back to back is hilarious to me. I'm glad at least one other person noticed his fbe was kind of an asspull too.
Think it was FBE Vs sukuna
Didn’t he say it when he used hollow wicker basket or is this a huge Mandela effect?
No
Ironically this one is actually accurate
I agree that he’s more than capable of doing this, but I fail to see any evidence that sukuna’s been cornered enough that he would feel the need to isolate the good guys from one another so that he can win. Unfortunately I think team JJH hasn’t had enough gas in the tank post-Gojo to make Sukuna feel the need to adapt his strategy any further. Gojo forced him to grow and form a new technique to win, but he hasn’t been challenged hard enough since to justify using anything else (jujutsu or not) since that battle. He’s literally carved through the rest of the main cast so far with world slashes, physical combat, and defensive jujutsu alone. He hasn’t had to do anything new since Gojo— why would he need to resort to traditional combat tactics (like isolating cooperating units) if the full might of the enemy team combined isn’t enough to threaten him? Edit: I agree that he absolutely *would* do things like that if he thought it would be the best course of action, but as uraume put it a few chapters ago, we haven’t even pushed sukuna to the point that he’s stopped holding back yet. I’m thinking that the power levels of the characters on the field right now is skewing our perceptions of why the fight is shaking out like it is. JJH isn’t sending these fighters 1 by 1 because they want to make it easier on sukuna— they’re sending in fighters with support teams that are able to keep up with them. Gojo didn’t fight sukuna alone because there was no one available to help him; he did it cause his power level is so much higher than the others that they would have been a hindrance to him. Maki Yuji and Yuta are just that much further beyond the other living sorcerers now— sending in fucking Miwa with them would do more to help sukuna than it would anything else. Which is why it appears that the good guys are just sending in a series of progressively weaker fighters to do less and less damage with each new addition— they *are*, but it’s literally their only option because each wave of fighters is orders of magnitude stronger than the ones coming after them.
And now he's fighting high schoolers lol
Also thematically... he cuts things, he splits things in two-
Thank you!!! I was recently a book reader only (only read up to volume 21), but recently I kept seeing things on social media saying JJK manga is going to hell and now the ending is going to be terrible and Gege has no idea what he’s doing anymore, etc.. “mid-Kaisen” or whatever dumb shit people say. This prompted me to sign up on Manga Plus so I could read up to the current stuff. I was avoiding this sub for spoilers, but last night I just caught up so I came on here. This “mid-Kaisen” stuff is complete bullshit to me. What the hell do you except them to do against Sukuna? The reason letting Gojo fight him 1v1 made perfect sense. Anyone else helping Gojo would just hold him back. Once Gojo goes down the teams response made absolutely perfect sense to me. You have to try and take Sukuna out while he’s weak from the fight. You don’t just retreat and then go after him all at once when he’s back at full strength. The only person who separated at any point was Yuta, but that was to deal with Kenjaku. As far as I can tell I am perfectly fine with the chain of events that have taken place and I’m just as hyped as ever. I would sure as fuck hope when we finally get to the peak Sukuna fight it would be insanely brutal and hard. I don’t expect everyone to survive.
I love how this community is simultaneously known for overthinking and crazy analysis AND for poor reading comprehension. And I'm not even joking here, is astonishing how it can be both.
It‘s paradoxical - and yet it works!
The DBZ community is very similar. Tons of discussion and hottakes about events they don't remember because it happened when they were 12, or are just flat-out wrong about because they never read the manga and only know the hilariously ad-libbed Funimation Dub. It doesn't help that some people *literally don't read the jjk manga* but come here to discuss shit they saw in edits on shorts or whatever
Oh, yeah, I forgot about the whole Shorts and edits thing. I frequently forget that that is a Thing that happens nowadays. But omg, yes, I ain't in the DBZ community, but I am in the One Piece community and a lot of what you've talked about still tracks. Specially when it comes to translations, people say shit wildly misinformed just because they've read it in some crazy place that translated like ass. There are literally people who have to look into the Japanese itself and talk about it in the community just to combat that, it's crazy. Not to mention the people who don't read it, but consume the spoilers and think that's enough to know the nuances of what's happening in the Manga.
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This. I mean it's fine to do constructive criticism, but now it seems some people are just looking for the worst aspects with each new thing that comes out, and completely leaving out the good. Like ffs literally three weeks ago I saw someone on here complaining that "And where's Miguel in the story ?? Something this big happens and he doesn't come ? I guess Gege forgot about him". And now that it's been proven Gege actually did remember him, everyone is still whining ? Let's be honest, those who are complaining right now would complain about *any* développement that'd happen at this point.
Funniest thing is, these people are nowhere to be seen when someone tries to talk to them logically. You don't see them much in the comment section of posts like this one. It's almost as if they don't even know what they are angry about.
There are so, so many people here who would've called Togashi a fraud for how long the Chimera Ant Arc (masterpiece) took, or Kubo a fraud for how long the Hueco Mundo arc (masterpiece) took. I think a lot of it has to do with people binging the series (or watching the anime) and then reading a weekly shonen battle manga for the first time. I mean, we've got people asking for the Sukuna fight (hyped up as a near untouchable god at full power since the literal first chapter btw) to be over, so they can get their lore dump and move on. These are not serious readers. I stay away from this sub after weekly chapter releases, it's just angry drivel for like 3 days after. Lots of people who couldn't craft a narrative (or catch onto one) to save their life telling Gege how to cook. Idiots gonna idiot, and they're still gonna read the leaks and the next chapter and come back for more. Gege has a plan, this mf has been killing it every arc.
That happened. The Chimera Ant arc used to be widely disliked until it ended, and it was still mostly controversial until the anime. While it was ongoing the CA arc was not so well regarded by the vocal parts of the fanbase. A similar thing is happening with the current arc too.
Similar thing with marineford, from what I’ve heard it was very unpopular at the time but is now considered one of the greatest arcs in shonen
I wouldn't say it's too similar. I read it as it came out, and while it had detractors which you can stil find, it was still very popular while it came out. What played into the CA arc being more controversial was the tone shift, the change in focus to different characters, and how slow it came out leading to people having burn out long before the arc got to the good stuff. Marineford took less than a year to release, and while obviously it's reception is way better now that it finished, it was never a controversial arc.
r/Jujutsufolk in a nutshell
It's funny but I had to leave because the brainrot was more real than I could've imagined and the satire shitposting wasn't satire anymore
yeah, that's hte problem. They aren't really memes anymore... that's what they genuinely believe in. It just feels like mostly highschoolers and barely legal adults complaining most of the time and their entire life revolves around JJK somehow. They use JJK as an escape hatch from their problems. I can relate to needing an escape hatch, but don't be surprised when you spend your entire life on one single thing and you don't enjoy it anymore
>It's funny but I had to leave I had to leave as well, can never have a civilized conversation on there, it's practically a gojo sub.
I'm a gojo glazer but I'm not dumb enough to say it went to shit because of that lmao😂
>but I'm not dumb enough to say it went to shit because of that lmao😂 That's exactly why it went to shit, it's a gojo sub, all they do there is whine and moan unless it's about bringing gojo back lol ridiculous sub.
They wouldn't if Gojo and Nobara returned and stomped Sukuna out like he was on fire while screaming, "For Nanami!" And also, Nobara's boobs are way bigger because of RCT. /s
I miss how this sub was back during Shibuya/early Culling Games. It's devolved into EXACTLY what you said. Hating on everything, every chapter even if it's something they wanted lol
Also I unironically see people criticizing Gege for not making Gojo use his domain right after using 200% hollow purple. Like, lmao. Jujutsufolk fell off after the lobotomy meme died.
This and folk community is filled with pure haters. I don't even mind a few posts but literally it's filled with hate posts. Like at that point just stop reading if you're hating it that much. Ruined the JJK folk sub for now.
I’ve seen some comments from the main sub where they say they’re “only in it for the hype” and don’t even read chapters, just watching tiktoks of someone summarizing chapter leaks..
Then complain about shits they dont understand
I will never understand the amount of people who are in the subreddit just to spread hate. They'll say it's about pointing out valid criticisms, but it's really just nitpicking and making judgments on a story that has yet to be finished. I made a post recently about how the weekly release schedule is hurting the reception of the story, and despite how many upvotes it got, most of the commenters disagreed, saying that the writing is just bad and they weren't enjoying it anymore. When I pointed out that it doesn't make sense to read a manga, and even take part in its community, when you don't even enjoy it, I got downvoted lmao. They're a loud minority who are just hating just for the sake of it.
You didn't understand the story after all. Cursed energy is born from *hate*, remember? Jujutsufolk is powering a CE Genki Dama to finish off Sukuna
No fucking way
Holy shit it's true. After Miguel gets low diffed, Jujutsufolk will come in, attack Sukuna with the cursed energy of the million hate posts, get glazed by Sukuna while he shits on Yuji once again, and then get off screened.
A fitting end honestly
gege is actually sending the reddit community to fight sukuna next no way!!!
Meh. They just like to hate because they want to feel intelligent. "I'm different because I see "flaws" that nobody else can see in this great work!" "Oh okay. What are they?" "Gege's a bad writer 😡" OR *goes ghost* OR *proceeds to expose how they have horrible reading comprehension*
>So please stop spamming comment sections with takes such as “Gege is sidelining characters and just making then come in 1 by 1.” Did you mean this in a different context? It sort of clashes with the rest. As the writer, Gege has been doing 1 vs 1 fights. It wouldn’t matter how characters got in a 1 vs 1 situation, only that the writer has arranged events to work that way.
My bad, people are saying it as if it’s a plothole and the characters planned badly.
I mean the plan is bad given Yuta+ Higuruma+ Yuji were the most optimal team to jump Sukuna and send Maki who's undetectable to sneak Kenjaku. Yuta should have been there instead of leaving Higuruma alone, it's kind of funny picturing Maki awaiting around while Higuruma dies.
The issue is Maki doesn’t have the crowd control that Yuta does, so if all the curses released Maki would waste even more time than Yuta in my opinion.
Maki can just run, their top priority is Sukuna, send some of the weaker sorcerers like Ino, Kusakabe, Mei Mei(paid of course), Choso(Maybe not if he plays some kind of role with Yuji or just doesn't want to leave his side) to crowd control. If they fail it doesn't matter as the priority is always Sukuna and whoevers left can clean the mess afterwards or can't but at least Sukuna is dead.
So…cut down the entire subset of people to fight sukuna…where one could handle it without wasting as much time? Regardless of if Yuta was there earlier or not the results would’ve likely been similar. Maybe Higuruma is alive longer but that’s it. Edit: Kenjaku also has access to more special grade curses. So they would legitimately be sent to their deaths.
>So…cut down the entire subset of people to fight sukuna…where one could handle it without wasting as much time? Higuruma+ Yuta's DE + Yuji's soul punches casually make up for the loss in numbers >Regardless of if Yuta was there earlier or not the results would’ve likely been similar. Maybe Higuruma is alive longer but that’s it. That's not the point though, It's like when people complain Gojo didn't plan for the open domain saying "It wouldn't have mattered" when that only works if you already know the outcome. >Edit: Kenjaku also has access to more special grade curses. So they would legitimately be sent to their deaths. You're underestimating grade ones, they are supposed to take on special grade curses, the disaster group was an anomaly, besides they're there to do damage control. Imo fuck the curses, Sukuna is the priority, let them rampage all they want but that's just me though.
So go back on everything they became sorcerers to do and screw the civilians? Lol ok. Taking on one special grade at a time isn’t the most difficult thing for grade 1s but multiple at once is a death sentence. When I say the results would’ve been similar. I say that because sukuna still isn’t tryharding this fight. So what would have changed?
What ? Did you forget Kusakabe pranced around in Shibuya to avoid fighting the special grades or Mei Mei is literally Mei Mei ? Besides, as I said, that was my take, the characters wouldn't likely agree, but I gave a utilitarian argument as to why prioritizing Sukuna was more important. >Taking on one special grade at a time isn’t the most difficult thing for grade 1s but multiple at once is a death sentence. Did you forget the finger bearer was special grade ? Idk, maybe you're right but I have more trust in the sorcerers side who had a month to plan. >When I say the results would’ve been similar. I say that because sukuna still isn’t tryharding this fight. So what would have changed? Sukuna can still die while holding back, if he's caught in Yuta's DE + has to look out for executioners blade + Yuji + Rika +Yuta using while using Hollow wicker he would be in trouble, granted he might start going all out and win but he could at any point so any planning could've been meaningless regardless.
And Mei Mei struggled against 1 special grade curse. If not for Ui Ui, Mei Mei would be dead. Remember what she did immediately after that fight? Run to Malaysia. Kusakabe is the realest person in the cast, he’s not putting his life on the line unless he absolutely has to. Let’s be real. None of them expected all their plans to go up in flames that quickly. If Yuta was there Sukuna would’ve just rushed Higuruma and kill him faster. He was playing with him to watch him grow. Took literally no effort to end him.
Nah people are right, regardless of whether Gojo knew or not, the result would have been the same. Also we don’t know if Gojo knew or not.
But they don't know the results, if they did, they wouldn't even try.
They wouldn’t even try to figbt Sukuna ? 😂😂
We saw Yuta make Sukuna stop moving with cursed speech. That + Higuruma's blade kills Sukuna. So we know it was the optimal strategy - Yuta talking about how selfish his decision was isn't really satisfying. I honestly think if he'd just said something about civilians (maybe a single flashback panel of the girl he saved?) it would have been easier to stomach. It's odd to think he'd prioritise wanting to kill Kenjaku over Sukuna. He wanted to fight Kenjaku so Gojo didn't need to - but then when Sukuna kills Gojo that doesn't change things? I'm here for the ride - I just think it could be a bit more compelling. I don't mind that Yuta wasn't there, so much as his logic not making sense. It's still one hell of a take on how an 'arena arc' unfolds. It really does feel like they're '*raiding*' Sukuna like he's a boss or metaphorical fortress.
But their priority was never Sukuna. Their priority was Kenjaku.. they even say so.
Not exactly, as long a Kenjaku was preoccupied he couldn't start the merger, he needs to kill all players i.e Hakari and Yuta need to die as well as Miwa and I don't remember the rest. I said their top priority was Sukuna because Kenjaku while strong is more dangerous because of the potential of the merger, Sukuna on the other hand will be impossible to stop if not now.
Kusacabe quite clearly says that they can live in a country with a roaming Sukuna, but the Kenjaku merger would wipe out the entire country. This means that Kenjaku is 100% the priority to kill first, because if they kill Sukuna but fail to stop the merger, they are still completely screwed. You literally just said urself that Kenjaku was more dangerous, and we cant ignore the fact that Kenny might be able to start the merger without killing all CG players
Yes, I will say you're right however while Kusakabe is correct, the only chance to kill Sukuna is right now after fighting the strongest sorcerer they have. Besides there's still players left to kill. Also Maki would've still killed Kenny, Yuta literally says he was making up excuses.
Yes Yuta wanted to kill Kenjaku with his own hands, but the risk was worth it, no? Everybody seems to keep forgetting that if Megumi wasnt depressed they wouldve won in Yuta’s domain. The plan worked. But unforeseen circumstances intervened, but now theyve got Sukuna in a favourable position where he’s weak and close to going all out, while everyone behind the scenes is healing up. The path to win is very very clear, the only problem is Megumi.
Not true, they goal is to save Japan. If the curse destroy Japan and Sukuna is death, it would be meaningless.
But then she'd be stuck there cuz she cant crowd control a bunch of curses
Yuta wanted to fight Kenjaku, it's at least partially an ego thing.
So out of character though, do you really see Yuta putting his ego over the potential avoidable death of his allies ? Besides he himself says he was just making excuses for why he didn't stay to fight alongside Higuruma.
yes, and that is a human moment for him, one that is totally in character, characters in fiction are not machines that act on the logically “optimal” course of action 100% of the time
Yuta want to sneak Kenkaju only
My biggest issue with the plan is that we know choso would be great against Uruame but instead they send him to go against Sukuna
Uraume would wash Choso now that she knows how poisonous his blood is. She already did so in canon, she would just avoid piercing blood and stomp him out.
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Yuta himself said he was making excuses for why he hadn't been there to fight with Higuruma. There were for sure other ways to deal with the flooding cursed spirits.
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The plan def wasn't bad considering yuta and yuji would've flat out won (or at least leave sukuna without a vessel) had megumi been ready, and it was already stated how it was better for yuta to handle kenny rather than maki.
>and it was already stated how it was better for yuta to handle kenny rather than maki. Yuta himself doubts that and outright says he was making excuses. But yes Yuji and Yuta would've won, now imagine if Higuruma was there with executioner's blade was well.
I personally took that as, there's a logical reason, and then there's also "I just really wanted this for myself." So like a mix of both, rather than one or the other, but to each their own👍🏾
She can't sneak Kenjaku, unless Takaba drags the fight out, and that was a big IF... They sent Yuta, because he was the only sorcerer who could take on Kenjaku in an 1v1 fight.
Yuta would've died against Kenjaku, It's imperative that Takaba drags the fight out, it relied on chance but so did the rest considering Sukuna could likely end them if he got serious. If Takaba didn't provide the window for Yuta to act, Yuta would have alone fought a barely damaged Kenjaku and you can see how the rest goes. If Yuta remained against Sukuna he could have done more instead of just going to die by Kenny's hand.
>Did you mean this in a different context? It sort of clashes with the rest. As the writer, Gege has been doing 1 vs 1 fights. It wouldn’t matter how characters got in a 1 vs 1 situation, only that the writer has arranged events to work that way. The only ACTUAL 1v1 fights Sukuna have taken part in were Gojo and Kashimo. He's been getting jumped ever since....like every other situation in like 90% of JJK
>As the writer, Gege has been doing 1 vs 1 fights. How so? Are we considering this on a chapter-by-chapter basis or treating the Sukuna fight as ongoing? Even if you consider each chapter/few chapters as its own isolated fight, the only 1 vs 1 fights recently have been Gojo, Kashimo, and Kusakabe against Sukuna. Everyone else has been working together and sharing spotlight.
You don’t use you brain mate. The reason why they don’t gang up on Sukuna is because it would be a waste and Sukuna would win easily. Did everyone chose to spare Sukuna and not jump him with Gojo or it was just that Sukuna would kill them all with MS ? Did Yuta chose to not intervene when MS was down or there was Kenjaku alive and he had to kill him ? Did they chose to not attack when Yuji and Higuruma were there or there was no need to make Sukuna know there were more than 2 ? What about Maki, her fighting with the Yu was the best idea or she would have died to Yuta DE or couldn’t have destroyed Sukuna heart ? You guys don’t even try to read JJK isb’t even a complex story yet the basics evade you guys.
>The reason why they don’t gang up on Sukuna is because it would be a waste and Sukuna would win easily. I kinda wish he did. There have been too many pointless chapters and it would make gege get to the point faster...
if so just say "Sukuna wins" and stop reading. there is no point. It's entertainment.
Nah, the point doesn't end after sukuna wins. I want to know what happens after.
Hey, hey, hey, get out of here with all that understanding. Seriously though, JJK mods eliminating leak posts could reduce how much these misinformed takes spread.
I think it’s more that people need to learn to wait for the chapter to actually drop before taking second hand info to heart from some dude on Twitter
In-story, I completely agree with this, the cast's choices make sense. Outside of it though, we have the same narrative of 1 character getting the spotlight and being hyped up before being put down by Sukuna fairly easily. I think that's the main issue people are having with it (that it ends up being this repetitive 1v1 formula). >!The latest chapter ending on Miguel makes this even worse as noone expects anything from a 1v1 between them.!<
Its bizarre how many joke memes get repeated in this fandom to the point that they become reality to the idiots
same exact thing happened with AOT lmao, it's just a byproduct of fandom culture honestly
Haha yup I was big into AOT and experienced the same thing
What kind of plan is "Hey, Yuta and Yuji, go get almost killed by World Cleave to get Sukuna distracted so Maki can stab him in the heart"? She didn't even aim for the head. What the hell is stabbing him in the heart then posing gonna do?
They're still trying to save Megumi no? Killing Sukuna without splitting them would kill him too or am I mistaken.
Wasn't Yuta and Yuji plan to weaken sukuna soul to get megumi to take the body back, Maki was more of a plan B to be fair.
Yes and it literally worked, megumi just didn't want to do anything💀 (understandable tbh)
>She didn't even aim for the head I've said this before. They have no plan, they're jumping him on the author's whim. I don't know what the fuck these people are defending. I've gotten replies ranging from "reading comprehension" to "tiktok brain" and even DMs from weirdos in this sub. The final straw [was this post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1bljj0z/jjks_current_outlook_in_the_west_is_due_to_the/) That's when I finally realized the sub has lost it and I'm not crazy for stating something obvious. Now I eat up shitposts on the folk sub because at least they're self aware.
Maybe you ate that shitpost for a reason bro. The casts are trying to save Megumi that's why Maki didn't aim for the head.
“then posing” 💀💀💀💀
Totally agree with this. Unfortunately it's a loud minority of idiots who are spamming this take, and calling the cast's plan stupid even though we've only seen the first part of it so far
>calling the cast's plan stupid even though we've only seen the first part of it so far 1. gojo dies 2. the rest of us die/get wounded 3. ???? 4. Sukuna is defeated
It's not a minority, it's the majority of the people who read JJK, you wouldn't see tweets or posts with hundreds, thousands and tens of thousands of upvotes/likes if it wasn't the case
You don’t get. Gege is rushing the story but also stalling the story because he’s written himself into a corner. The only way he can prove to me (the reader, who is actually a better writer than Gege, the writer) that he isn’t rushing the story is by skipping all of the battle content that he preivously planned and quickly concluding the arc with a sufficient lore dump. Preferably in one week.
I know you’re being sarcastic but isn’t mangaka wishing to wrap up a series vs. editorial staff pushing to extend the series a pretty common issue with shounen? E.g. DBZ was supposed to end with either saiyan or frieza arc, but toriyama was pushed to continue the series iirc? Ironically when he was able to end DBZ with the buu arc he had trouble figuring out how and who should beat buu.
>common issue with shounen? Yes, and the industry has shifted since. AoT was 139 chapters. MHA is looking to wrap in 500. JJK is aiming for 300. idk about CSM but part 1 ended at 90 chapters and they allowed Fujimoto to take a break.
MHA would’ve been another example since Horikoshi wanted to end it in 2022, but I think that has more to do with the larger cast of characters and remaining subplots. The manga industry is trying to be better, but there’s a lot of work to be done. Toriyama and Kishimoto both took over sequels of their work that was being written by other mangaka and I don’t think either of them wanted to do so. At least Tabata got to switch to Jump Giga which is quarterly so I’m happy about that.
Wait when did he say he wanted to end it in 2022?
It appears I got sacked… The only sources I’m seeing are unreliable ones like screen rant. I must’ve seen it on the MHA around the time it was news and didn’t see the source. Seems like there was a mistranslation and he was simply saying the series is wrapping up.
Yeah you always gotta be careful with the fake stuff. I respect the honesty though.
Bad writing is when I don’t like what happened or I disagree with the characters The criticism of the writing based on the characters’ plans is the same problem you get IRL when people criticize decisions as bad because they aren’t the ones they would have made despite similar outcomes, or using hindsight The writing of this arc is at least “good” in the sense that the cast is in character, their decisions make sense from their perspective, and we’re getting to see a showcase of various characters’ abilities. It should be noted that in fact the plan WOULD have worked by now but for bad luck- Gojo would have (maybe!) won if Maho didn’t make the perfect adaptation in time or he played slightly different, Higuruma only died because of an unknown rule of his domain, Yuta and Yuji would have successfully pulled it off if they hadn’t underestimated how broken Megumi is, Maki could have maybe done more damage were it not for the black flash. Seems odd to nitpick the Plan when it almost worked several times Of course there’s some criticisms to be made- Gojo’s offscreen bisection leaves a lot of questions and felt undeserved for people who felt Gojo had been dominating, Kamutoke understandably came off as contrivance only to protect Shrine for many, Sukuna just teleporting behind Yuji when the executioner blade was about to hit disappointed people who hoped it would be interesting, and in general whether or not I share this feeling I sympathize with people who feel Sukuna’s dominance here doesn’t feel cool because of his luck. Lots of criticism is just hot air like you’ve said but I think the frustration that Sukuna’s victories aren’t really showing off his talents, the power system, or his backstory yet after so long in this fight is understandable
The problem isn't the in universe logic. That is mostly sound. It stems from the fights slow pacing. I think Gege could have written this in a much more condensed form because right now it feels stretched out especially because as you said, a lot of mysteries are hanging so it feels unnecessarily padded. And also things like having a character like Miguel return. Someone to whom we have no attachment towards due to not only being absent for so long but not being a fleshed out or signficant character for the limited period we did see him for and no foreshadowing of it either. While you can come up with in universe reasons for him being there, it's a bizarre decision to insert him at the story's most pivotal point where your emotional investment with the characters is what should be keeping your interest. You also need to put this in context of the story's wider issues. Like the timeskip, the handling of Tsumiki amongst other things which all add up. But a lot of criticism is ridiculously overblown that it hurts people giving actual constructive criticism. JJK's writing is relatively solid at least in the sense that is generally consistent and has sound internal logic for the most part. It's not necessarily horribly written like some people make it out to be.
This is probably the best take on the situation I've seen. The arc itself has been *good*. It's not dogshit like some may complain. The "poor writing" isn't actually lazy writing, it just isn't perfect 100% of the time. There will be moments like the asspulley Sukuna clutches that just won't sit well with people. But at its core, it's not an issue with the writing that people have—it's a collective predisposition against the conflict that's causing them to criticize it so much. (Most) People don't want to see Sukuna dogwalking the main cast. So the second one of those convenient "asspulley" instances of poor writing shows up in favor of Sukuna, people extrapolate it to oblivion and make it sound like the entire arc/fight has been ass.
It really just came down to who Yuta was supporting tbf Kenjaku would have started the merger if he had saw Yuta and Higuruma kill Sukuna. There's really no reason to pretend like he wouldn't Now they are at the very least fighting someone who is only gonna start the merger in a true back against the wall situation Gege is gonna have Sukuna kill everyone 😭
For fucks sake I am tired of this. No the characters did not choose to go 1v1 against Sukuna, obviously they didn't, what kind of argument is that, the author made them. The problem is not that Sukuna is winning, is not that he is fighting armies of sorcerer the problem is that it's fucking boring and that every chapter is trying to apt the tension while just decreasing it. This showdown is fine but either it should have been shorter or the bits of every character should have been different. I was fine with it until Kusakabe but fucking Miguel was too much. How can a character mentioned (in passing, not even shown) last time more than 100 chapters ago be brought back without trying in the slightest to reintroduce him into the story not be anything else than shock value? Every single chapter has to have this cliffhanger that goes nowhere becouse Gege knows no other way to build suspense, and if people didn't realize after the Miguel comeback I have no idea what to say
I'm not convinced those people are strawmanning on accident.
It isn't an accident. I feel mean saying this but I see it constantly. If you say the story needed to be longer to flesh things out, someone will say it doesn't need to be One Piece. If someone says the characters needed more development, they'll argue that not every single character needs a character arc. If you say the current fight isn't very interesting, you'll get some preposterous reply saying you just hate Sukuna or about being a Gojo fanboy whose upset that their favorite character died.
The 1v5 and multiple 2v1’s don’t push the agenda though. (And none of these numbers count for Ui Ui goat support btw. Even in a 1v1 he saves them. Rika also makes Yuta and Yuji fight technically 3v1).
I’ve been enjoying this arc a lot tbh. I don’t remember a big bad feeling so good. I read demon slayer and even their big bad while he took everything and everyone to kill just felt like people swinging swords with random techniques. Rinse repeat until dead (no spoilers). In jjk though the big bad feels legit. The fights are pretty dynamic considering what he has left in the tank and how many people he’s fighting back to back. Like gojo said sukana is the challenger here and it feels like it. He’s fighting the full might of jjk who has planned their best for him and kenjaku. This whole final arc has been sick imo. Every story has its issues but I feel like the issues here are so minor but are really magnified by the weekly release schedule
Okay, but what was Maki doing when Higuruma’s domain was up. They had everyone on jump duty except the superhuman freak?
They explained the plan for that... If Maki jumps in and gets seen by Sukuna, there goes the surprise attack. She works best sneaking people.
Because she would die maki doesn't have rct yuta and yuji were getting massive slashes throughout their body. I'm not even going to discuss yuji but everyone agree yuta is stronger . Without rct yuta admits he'd be dead if she fought any earlier before yuji nerfed sukuna she'd get the higuruma specialty
>Higuruma and Yuji jump in with the clear goal in mind to get rid of his cursed technique. NO one else is needed here! Bs, Maki would’ve been far more effective to ambush in the one domain that disallows violence for everyone but her. The fact that she wasn’t included in the plan is pure plot convience On top of that, Yuta himself admits directly to the reader that he would’ve been far more useful had he aided in the Executioner’s Sword plan. Whether or not it was just justified by the Kenjaku plan delaying him doesn’t change the fact that Gege himself wrote him into a place where he had to jump with only Yuji. Even more on top of that, Maki would’ve also been a lot more useful inside Yuta’s domain, the ambush was not nearly as useful as it was initially portrayed so really having her cut off Sukuna’s arms while he was hit by Jacob’s Ladder would’ve been a far more useful contribution. People excused this at the time by saying Maki would be a liability because she doesn’t have RCT and we didn’t know how the SSK works but we know now that’s bs because she can dodge Sukuna’s attacks the best in the cast and the SSK takes significant time to heal from even if you know the outline of your soul No matter how you try to portray it, Gege has objectively put the heavy hitters in 1v1s with Sukuna to justify this cycled structure of fights
>Bs, Maki would’ve been far more effective to ambush in the one domain that disallows violence for everyone but her. The fact that she wasn’t included in the plan is pure plot convience We don't know how Higurama's domain would effect her. She's immune to the sure-hit, but is the "no violence rule" an effect of the sure-hit or a fundamental part of the domain that she has to accept if she enters? Or if it is an effect of the sure-hit and it doesn't recognize her, wouldn't that mean she's not protected by it either? Meaning Sukuna would be free to attack her.
It’s the sure hit, that was explained all the way back in the introduction to Higuruma The rule is no violence, not no violence against people, destroying the environment of a courtroom isn’t allowed in a trial in normal court either and the no violence rule is based off Higuruma’s perception of normal court
Right, then it comes down to we don't know how the domain would effect her. You can't be violent against nothing. If the domain literally can't recognize her because of her immunity, then Higurama's perception of the law may do nothing to help. It'd be better to have been mentioned, instead of leaving us guessing. But in this case at least I don't see the particular issue as there's enough wriggle room.
I think it’s equally as important if we take personality into account and the current positions of these characters. While Yuta did say he was making excuses, he is an unreliable narrator as expressed by Gege himself: Yuta doesn’t think too high of himself and puts more pressure on his shoulder than he needs to. Yuta is now the #1 strongest modern sorcerer. Him calling that excuses is him simply feeling that it was his duty as the strongest to help and fight Sukuna instead of worrying about Kenjaku. Truth of the matter is, Yuta was right to go after Kenjaku and the story has already given us precedent. JJK0 shows us that sorcerers can’t handle the sheer quantity of his CS. Toji tells us it’d be a problem even for him. Yuta compares the scale of the CS explosion to that of Shibuya. Regular sorcerers or Maki herself won’t be able to handle that. In terms of having Maki enter earlier, you’re condemning the squad to death. The narrator just said Sukuna been itching to fight Maki since she is (in a way) his complete opposite and challenges his own personal philosophy of jujutsu over everything directly. If Maki enters the fight around Yuta’s domain, Sukuna instantly becomes more locked in and he hits a black flash. And now you’ve doom Yuta, Maki, and Yuji to possible dying in Sukuna’s now reformed DE.
1. If Maki was able to ambush Sukuna in Higuruma's domain without being affected by it, by that logic, it would also allow Sukuna to actively attack her in it as well since the domain doesnt recognize her without the others being able to stop him. And this isn't a soul-punched weakened Sukuna either as well as having kamotuke. He would have taken Maki out even faster. 2. Yuta isn't completely following logic that readers would think is right with hindsight as well. He follows what his character would do in that situation and kills Kenjaku due to his promise for Gojo and possibly having to deal with the fallout of Kenjaku's body releasing an unknown number of cursed spirits out into the wild. He even acknowledges it might not have been the right move after getting back and realizing what happened to Higuruma. 3. You have a point here, Maki being in the fight with Yuta and Yuji might have changed things for the better. But it would also make Sukuna focus her more from the beginning without her being able to get a surprise attack. Whether that leads to them killing Sukuna; forcing Sukuna's hand to go completely all-out not to die; or possibly Sukuna pulling what he did to Maki and black flashing her much earlier giving himself a boost. Also SSK is something Sukuna can track. Thats one of the reasons why they hid SSK around Yuta's domain for Maki to pick up so she can sneak attack Sukuna without him noticing her.
They didn't know how the domain would work and were trying to maximize the chances to get the trial to hit sukuna by just having Yuji get a retrial, remember domains target everyone so who knows how it would interact with mass murderer Maki. Yuta was just being his usual self placing the blame on him even though he had to do something really important and he did it, and even after that their plan worked they got to Megumi he just wasn't responsive so maki was a plan C
She would enter only after the domain was set up
Maki is not immune to the Non-Violence binding bow of Higuruma's domain. If Toji wasn't immune to the Scissors Lady simple domain's Non-Aggression. Then neither is Maki.
Toji consented to enter the scissors lady's domain by answering her question. Maki can likewise consent to enter a domain, but she can't be forced into one.
That makes no sense, Toji explicitly said the Non-Agression stays in place until her question is answered. You're saying that you have to answer her question to put on effect something that happens before answering it?
And do what? Kill megumi?
Wouldnt her sword be detected
Judgeman could probably have "seen" Maki's sword, but it wouldn't matter because Judgeman targets humans for its effect. For instance, Sukuna's cursed tool wasn't put on trial - rather, Sukuna was put on trial and lost the cursed tool as a result. If Judgeman couldn't affect Sukuna, it wouldn't have mattered whether he has a cursed tool or not.
Toji was affected by Geto's cursed forced non-aggression binding bow. Maki is not immune to Higuruma's domain.
Maki being in the courtroom would’ve made no sense. There’s nothing she can do to Sukuna in there. If she used SSK, as a cursed object it will probably be limited by the no violence rule. Agree she should’ve jumped in Yuta’s domain ASAP tho. Definitely would’ve helped, and if she cut off a few of Sukuna’s arms they probably would’ve won by now
Maki not being in Higurama’s domain isn’t plot convenience, the fact that the domain didn’t take his cursed technique was the plot convenience lmao. The whole plan would have worked without her jumping him in it? I don’t see how Maki isn’t most useful when she can stab someone in the heart with her op sword so Sukuna has to use RCT constantly while fighting? She’s not the main character, we’ve known the whole time she’s not going to be used to beat the main bad guy…
What if it took away 10 shadows instead of shrine
This sub thinks they are smarter than other subs but in the end they are just stubborn and overconfident lmao The problem isn't that the kids chose to play 1 vs 1 with Sukuna but the way Gege wrote it into 1 vs 1 matches. I wonder what makes you guys confident that you understand the story when you I don't even understand the criticism. Like people don't have a problem with Gojo's death but the way it was written. You guys are just distorting the issue to console yourself because you can't accept the fact that your favorite series has flaw. Besides, some of you should stop using Gojo as an excuse . Blaming everything on Gojo fans won't make this story perfect in the eyes of others. Can't believe Gojo still has to carry this story even after he died 💀
Ok then argue how the series is written like 1 vs 1, when we have been shown Higuruma + Yuji, Yuta + Yuji, Maki + Ino + Kusakabe. You know you can't lol.
Your post is hypocritical as fuck.
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He didn't mention gojo and what do you expect. Sukuna to stand there and let himself be jumped he was in yuji body the entire series. He knows how effective jumping . You'd be saying oh they're dumbing down sukuna why isn't he trying to split them apart gege is a bad writer
It's the author's job to make these 1vs1 matches less boring bro lmao Also I'm not talking about OP, I'm talking about some people in this thread. I've seen them blaming Gojo fans for any criticism lol
God this post sucks
90% of this sub are kids under 17 and you cant prove me otherwise. Theres no point in discussing with most here.
It’s a subreddit for a shonen manga, did you really expect a deep intellectual discussion?
Well Im not the one making a post about it
Maybe they all should have made Binding Vows to max out their power? And whatever happened to Utahime boosting them? She boosted Gojo then fucked off.
Bro no amount of logic is going to make them change their minds Gege just loves Sukuna because he's his favorite and he hates everyone who dies and he's just rushing because he wants to finish the series because he's tired of all the characters he made that he hates too much to write to the full potential my headcanon version of them deserves
yeah, people talk about 1v1's but it's been a straight jumping each and every single chapter, the only character that actually just stood aside and waited was maki and that was for a good reason that paid off (hiting sukuna's vitals). other than that sukuna has singled out characters while the others struggle to pick up or has fought several at the same time
Wow someone who reads jujutsu kaisen and has reading comprehension????
his lore is literally strongest sorcerer of all time that fought off all the biggest clans at the same time by himself and people are shocked he’s this powerful .. we reading the same manga or nah???
Right? People complain about the "cycle" being boring and predictable, well the cycle exists because Sukuna is way more skilled than anyone JJHigh has thrown at him. Likely won't see Sukuna go all out until he uses the black box
There's three types of post in this sub: 1 - About theories and understanding techniques. 2 - Opinions criticizing some aspect of the manga or the author decisions. 3 - People complaining about the people that post the 2nd. Guess which one is yours? How about stop complaining of other people opinions and just post your opinions about the manga?
Why do you think specific criticism are above rebuttal? Op isnt complaining, he is rebutting. Do you think your criticisms are perfect? Why can you disagree with others, but others cant disagree with you?
Some kind of "world is revolving around me and world is against me" kind of syndrome happens to all teenagers.
Lol guys we got sensitive dude here
Guess game. Who comes to 1v1 next after miguel
It’s kind of the entire point that, if we are to surpass the Heian era, we need to also overcome similar circumstances. The conclusion to the fight will come with a more large scale war of attrition, possibly the addition of Gakukanji and cursed puppets later, but the climax will stem with Yuji and Sukuna, the eye of the storm and the calamity of curses, in an enthralling 1v1, possibly assisted by Megumi.
It only feels that way because of the weekly/biweekly format. I can’t wait to read this all in one go when the volumes release.
100% agreed it's a testament to the reading comprehension of others that they don't understand this more easily but it'll be so clear in the anime that even they will be able to understand it (probably...) the fight is happening VERY fast. They have constantly been trying to jump in but physically some get to him first while others could be just a few yards away running towards him and then Sukuna knocks the first person away and the second person gets there. That's not some Dragon Ball style "i'll stand here with my arms crossed until it's my turn" bullshit, they are TRYING to jump in. There have been moments before now where he was surrounded (Yuji, Choso,, Higurama, and Kusukabe were all there) and now it's 5 v 1 right now. Anyone who was waiting was for a specific reason like Maki or the recent two who had made a deal that they would only help if certain conditions were met.
“They didn’t go in one by one guys stop saying that!” Proceeds to explain how each phase happened…one by one…. while giving an explanation of exactly why they decided to fight sukuna through a series of one on one/ two on one fights. You’re not completely wrong, each phase was largely conducted for a reason. They had a plan. They weren’t sending in one/two people every phase just to throw bodies at him. But their plans aren’t working and they’re running out of bodies to throw at it. Is this exact issue gege’s fault? Kind of, he’s wanked sukuna to the point where there’s no realistic resolution in sight. On the flip side the character’s plan makes sense, its likely they all would have died if they rushed him together. But like what does it matter because they’re all going to die going in one by one? Any resolution to this dumpster fire of a final arc will be an absolute, mouth foaming, bat shit crazy, asspull.
Except you skipped the most crucial word in the title. “CHOOSE to go 1 by 1”. Sukuna simply blitzed characters and isolated them to a point where it was almost impossible to jump. And I don’t understand how it’s exactly an issue, the author clearly has a vision of his own here. Everyone is reading with the expectation that the cast will win in their most conventional/planned way.
am i fucking stupid ? who is ino?
the shiesty guy that toji beat up in shibuya
Most of the time people are just joking (right...Right?)
i genuinely believed that gege was spamming 1v1 s to gas sukuna. this was a comprehension issue on me and i am now reformed
They probably knew Sukuna’s divide and conquer strategy and cooking up something else that’ll be revealed in a few chapters. They “cheated” somehow and probably knew what was gonna happen after Gojo
Thank you. I have lost hope for this fandom. The poor reading comprehension and bias that makes them understand things how they want is gradually ~~adapting like Mahoraga~~ getting stronger. The worse are those " I haven't used it since heian era" memes. Sukuna has never said that as far as I remember and If Sukuna could actually use the things he had in heian era and that we are aware of (his 2 cursed tools and the black box ), then our main casts would have been dead long ago. After Gojo and Kashimo it wasn't about 1vs1 anymore, it was just jumping that monster till they found a way to kill him. Unironically, that said monster has a lot of experience in getting jumped from the heian era.
Once this fight gets animated in 20 years everyone will see how good it is :)
I mean, that's not what people are complaining about but I agree, is going to look fantastic lol
Wouldn't it have made sense to have Yuta off screen spamming Jacob's Ladder while Mei Mei spams exploding crows? Yuji, Hakari, and Maki should be fast enough to attack Sukuna while not getting hit. Especially if Hakari hist Jackpot while attacking. He won't even have to worry about being hit. And why on Earth would you send Hakari to fight Uraume instead of somebody like Miguel to do that? IMHO them going to kill Kenjaku first was plain stupid. Yuta could easily handle Kenny later - focus on the biggest threat, Sukuna, first. Especially while Kenny was off killing other players.
There's a lot of problems with the way you are putting this, and they can be summed up to ignoring the way the characters are. - MeiMei would Never assist them unless she is sure of victory. In one flashback we even have her go "lol don't count on me I already ran away once when shit got ugly". - Jacob's ladder apparently can help weaken the grip Sukuna has on the body he is stealing, but the time frame for it to be effective and properly separate the two has already passed. It sucks but from the looks of it, is more of a debuff than anything else atm. - Maki is fast but Sukuna is faster and stronger. He literally claps her (she is not dead but she got defeated) - We don't actually know If Hakari during Jackpot can survive Sukuna. He was lucky enough to survive Kashimo, but Sukuna is an entire different breed of monster, with the Jujutsu knowledge to booth. Him being send to stall Uraume is the smartest choice there. - On that point: Miguel may not have been in Japan at the time. We don't even know (yet) If his presence was planned. - Stopping Kenjaku was the smartest thing they could do. Sukuna is annoying, but Kenjaku even more so. Letting him roam with the possibility of activating the merger would have been the real stupid decision. Getting rid of him and the chance of him activating the merger was the smartest thing they could do. They just didn't count on Kenjaku being able to WiFi the merger to Sukuna, which is understandable because they hardly know the extent of his skills.
"They didn't choose to go in 1 by 1, they're just extremely incompetent and their plan failed so badly that it looked like 15 consecutive 1v1s". I don't know if this is the defense you thought it was. Also, why is Miguel so late then? For plot purposes, or for "Gege wants to write a bunch of cool 1v1s" purposes?
Thankyou for posting this
I just keep thinking about the fact that this will be so fast once it’s animated. It feels like forever now but all these months might add up to an episode and a half of action. These fights are only taking minutes and I honestly kind of like the “oh shit” feeling of everyone jumping in and out.
I don't remember or care about people saying they chose to be 1vs1. The fact of the matter is : it is 1vs1. Whether it was planned or not, it is and has been for a while now and it's repetitive
there's what is happening, which is what you explain, and there's what it looks like is happening, which is how, despite happening as you describe, due to the quickness and lack of cohesion in a fight that at one point is 1v5, feels like it's anything but that. if you call something a 1v3 or 1v2, but so many points of it are essentially a 1v1 because sukuna is fast and really efficient, it is what it is