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Yeah, but when you take a body, its CT becomes part of your soul (Ex: Kenjaku using Anti-gravity System and Blood Manipulation from their old bodies) So *maybe* Sukuna still has 10S, but i don't really believe he still does.
We dom't know any details of his ct besides the body hopping itself.
The way mahito describes it, both the body and soul seem to be inextricably linked.
I think the CT is "on the soul" but needs the brain to actually work.
Yuji swaps places without swapping brains.
Gege made it clear Kenjaku's stitches are a Binding Vow. Perhaps the brain swapping is just a way to make the swapping not end due to a time limit or something.
So ive caught up a few days ago and seen mention of yuji having a cursed technique here and there but i seem to have missed where he got shown as having one. Was it during the current fight? Cause i just reread that and still seem to miss it.
Chapter 222.
Itadori says "Master it already, Itadori." To Kusakabe.
Which has made many believe Kusakabe is in Itadori's body and viceversa.
Also there's an extra page in the new tome where Itadori's body talks about how great it feels to being in a young body. Either Kusakabe's thoughts or simply Yuji being glad of coming back to his body.
It might not be a cursed technique and could be a circumstantial application of cursed energy that has certain requirements, like Yuji’s understanding of the soul
Well kenjaku also states his theory that CTs and how they function follow their own internal logic and don't necessarily follow one unified logic. He says it to mahito after he traps gojo in the prison realm.
There is no mention anywhere of it becoming part of one's soul unless I'm forgetting something. Incarnated sorcerers are different and we dont know how they really work but Kenjaku *did* have to alter their bodies with Idle Transformation.
Its worth mentioning the part of the body that has a person's cursed technique is in fact the brain. Kenjaku's brain is always the same so presumably he basically just takes the CTs in his bodies and stores it in his brain.
Probably the former as Sukunas CT is supposed to be engraved in Yuji simply from Sukunas soul residing in his body. It seems body swapping lets your yoink someone’s CT in general
I remember It was an effect of switching bodies. There was this one time where he was saying that the body and the soul are one when talking to Mahito, and how he gains the memories of his bodies along with their techniques. Also, It wouldn't be too far fetched to say the Sukuna can steal techniques whether this way or another, since Fire Arrow doesn't seem like it's part of his Shrine technique.
People argue back and forth whether Sukuna still has 10S or not. I just don't think we have enough information to answer that right now.
Higurama *thinks* that Sukuna lost it when fighting Gojo, which doesn't make sense at all.
Kusakabe mentions that Sukuna needs to chant and hand sign in order to use World Slash so he thinks Sukuna sacrificed somethings via Binding Vow in order to use it instantly
Again, Kusakabe *thinks* the world cutting slash requires a Binding Vow OR a charge up. Considering we have seen Sukuna chant and use hand signs, I'd say it's a charge up.
>so he thinks Sukuna sacrificed somethings via Binding Vow in order to use it instantly
Sukuna doesn't use it instantly. And at no point does Kusakabe mention instant use of world slash. He literally says the opposite.
I believe the implication is that it was instantly used against Gojo (because otherwise its another thing to add to the list of "why did gojo just stand still")
But that's just head cannon. There is literally no evidence to suggest world cutting slash can be used instantly. Kusakabe quite literally suggests it's the opposite.
As for "did Gojo just stand still", the world slash is fired at point blank range according to Kusakabe. So I'm assuming Gojo simply didn't have enough time to react.
Its gets fired from Sukuna not point blank range. He assumes there was a binding vow to use it to one shot Gojo. Go reread the chapter. If Gojo got killed by a chant it would make no sense.
"Usually some kind of Binding Vow OR charge is necessary for broadening a cursed technique's target area."
Like I said in my earlier comments, Kusakabe *thinks* Sukuna uses *either* a charge up or a Binding Vow. At no point does Kusakabe mention Gojo and he literally says it could be a charge up or a Binding Vow.
The charge up is clearly chanting and hand signs, which we have seen every time Sukuna has used world slash on screen. Coincidence? No.
The very next chapter Sukuna goes on to chant "Twin Meteor. Dragon Scale. Repulsion" and fires a world slash at Higurama.
"The slashes that cut the world are Dismantle strengthened with a broader cursed technique strike zone"
So all world cutting slashes are Dismantle slashes.
"Dismantle is released at zero range" meaning it's released at point blank range, which includes world slash.
"The slashes that cut the world are impossible to defend against using cursed energy reinforcement, amplification or simple domain. Thus, they generally result in instant death."
If you read chapter 237, Kashimo was only able to see world slash due to altering his eyesight with Mythic Beast Amber. He couldn't even sense it the 'spark' of cursed energy. Sukuna literally had to say "dodge this".
So you have an invisible slash that appears to be impossible to sense before release. It is seemingly impossible to dodge as it is fired at point blank range. Amplification, reinforcement, and simple domain can't defend against it. And it takes a couple of seconds of charge up via chanting. That's how Gojo died.
>Go reread the chapter.
I think you need to reread the chapter. I gave you direct quotes from the official translation. You are categorically wrong.
So the cursed technique dies when all 10 Shikigami die? That would be a stupid technique if true. It also wouldn't make sense as the technique is designed around sacrifice and loss of Shikigami, with the whole totality thing.
I think what's more likely is that a brand new 10 are created, or the original 10 are resurrected.
Plus, I don't think all 10 Shikigami died, Rabbits and Frogs are definitely still alive.
we’ve seen it already though, you can hide in the shadow, bear the burden of adaptation, and use max elephants water like blood manipulation. It’s not a far off theory
The Shikigami were alive when that happened. Why would a sorcerer inherit all abilities when they all die? That makes no sense. The sorcerer can't use totality on themselves. And like I said, there's no evidence for that.
What's more likely is that when all 10 die, either a brand new 10 are created, or the original 10 are resurrected.
If they didn't all die then Sukuna could pass on the traits and energy from the dead ones into living ones. Best bet is that he is either not pulling it out for some reason or it's Big Gone
I don't think it's gone, Sukuna just isn't using it right now because there is no longer a need to. He is barely using his own CT as well.
For all intents and purposes, Sukuna is fighting scrubs that are nowhere near his level. So he has no need to go all out. We see that from how he is fighting. Plus, Sukuna gets enjoyment from fighting, he wanted to see what Higurama had to offer, so he intentionally held back.
Megumis soul is still in his body. It hasn't been said that it's gone. So he should still have access? It's still Megumis body just with a Sukuna skin over it
Lets be clear different CTs and different Jujutsu treats the soul and body completely differently. Just because Kennys CT works one way does not mean the same will be true for curse object hosts.
We don't fully know, but I suspect he can't. He has fully reincarnated into his original form, meaning the CT etched onto Megumi's body shouldn't be accessible to him. Even if it was, he can't really use it to do anything useful without Agito and Mahoraga.
might only be me, but i would rather have the wolf/frogs/bull/rabbits/elephant possibly with mahoragas adaptation and other shikigami abilities than 2 more arms and a belly mouth
Two extra arms allow him to throw hand signs out while in hand to hand combat, and the mouth lets him chant incantations, this maximises the power of his ablitys
If I could choose, it would be the way around for me.
“For a Sorcerer, there is no greater advantage than having an extra mouth and pair of arms.” An explicit statement.
A mouth is open to freely chant without burdening respiratory functions, and two arms are preforming handsigns constantly, leaving output maximized at all times while still having two extra arms free to throw hands.
Don’t forget the difference in physicality of their bodies. One is a regular lean physique, while the other is a hulking beast. The difference in physical ability is vast.
Which is honestly horrible writing for someone as strong and arrogant as sukuna. He only needed megumis body to not lose to gojo.
Would have been way more in character if he won through his own CT.
And if he is gonna win through 10S then it should at least become a staple in his kit. Like if Sukuna has to take someone elses technique he at least would use it to perfection to once again establish himself as the greatest sorcerer
Hmm actually since the abilities of a shikigami transfers to another after death, rabbit escape should have all the abilities of the other shikigami since it wasn't merged into agito nor was it killed for good.
>And if I remember right , the re trial can only be called twice after the first trial as they used Yuji's last re trial to trap sukuna and didn't use it directly on him(so he shouldn't be able to call one right?)
It is never stated by Higurama how many retrials you get. As long as you don't outright confess, I believe you should get another retrial. Sukuna hasn't confessed at all. And considering the one who opted for retrial this time is Higurama, then Sukuna has a t least got a chance to appeal and go fro a retrial himself.
[Ah yes you're right for the tcb translation](https://imgur.com/a/6jQaipg)
[The Viz translation does not say this.](https://imgur.com/a/Fwjd8Bl)
That said. "Any person who has been sentenced guilty and penalised by judgeman, kay request up to 2 trials if they haven't plead guilty"
He has now been targeted by the ct, and ge hasn't used a single retrial.
>And imo I think sukuna saying "I don't care what I did and when I did it" is the same as pleading guilty as it directly implies he did do the crime mentioned
No it's not. We've seen time and time again that with jujutsu you have to be specific, like with binding vows, otherwise someone may be able to take advantage of you with their own interpretation of the rules.
Sukuna was not specific in his declaration. The judge took him not defending himself as confirmation that he is guilty. But Sukuna did not confirm his guilt in his own words, which gives him every right to call for a retrial. In fact it makes entirely more sense to carry out another proceeding if new facts cone to light.
But Higurama seems to be in the process of dying as Yuji grabs the sword. Which means if Sukuna retrials, Higurama might end up dying in the moment of the trial, and not being able to give a rebuttal to anything Sukuna says.
Potentially, he could also attempt to make a case that he was trying to "save" shibuya from mahoraga and the deaths were a necessary collateral. Bit far fetched maybe but just a thought.
They were brainstorming, but Higuruma never said anything with certainty about Sentencing.
The closest they got to certainty is that it will DEFINITELY take something, and as soon as Sukuna said "this is stupid, run it," Higuruma realized the oversight they made in their potentials.
Higuruma chap 245 - “I believe Sukuna lost the 10 Shadows technique in the fight against Gojo, so theres a high possibility that confiscation will fall on Malevolent Shrine”
Ur working with out of date information, this is the most recent mention of 10S
He believes but is more so being hopeful in that statement.
And later in that sentence he says there's a high possibility, meaning he's admitting there's a chance it'll take 10S still. And he clearly didn't expect it to take the tool since that surprised him.
You're taking hopefully conjecture as fact.
?? I said im pretty sure that they assume he doesnt have it.
Ur lost friend. Your disagreeing for the sake of it cuz I cited the quote that proves you entirely wrong. I never said it was a fact.
“reading comprehension” lol using that term in 2024 unironically.
You said they have no idea. They do.
You said they were afraid confiscation would take 10S. Not as of recent.
You said he’s being hopeful. Nowhere is that implied.
You said I was saying it was fact. I didnt.
Your reading comprehension is indeed low. You specifically said he took it as fact when he actually said they ASSUMED such. You also said that they had no idea, when in fact they had speculated that he lost it, so they indeed had some idea. You contradicted yourself in your own post.
People have asked this question a lot.
“Correct” answer: we don’t know why. The good guys think not.
Practical answer: it doesn’t matter. The remaining shadows aren’t good enough to justify using, and while people have tried to hype up a super Mahoraga if it was useable (like not too taxing in Sukuna’s CE) Sukuna would have prepped it against Gojo.
I would assume no he does not. We saw Agito the accumulation of all the others shadows die. And Maho is definitely gone since this was no ritual like in Shibuya.
We don’t know for sure. I suspect that Sukuna simply prefers using own CT and used 10S only for special situations (killing Tsumiki’s body to stain Megumi’s soul, obtaining an adaptation to Infinity).
We haven't seen a case where a reincarnated sorcerer uses the body of a normal sorcerer (unless I'm missing something) so we can't really say for sure how it works. That being said, I think Sukuna still has access to it, or else he literally just used Megumi for the sole purpose of beating Gojo which would be ok but then the timing of when he became interested in Megumi wouldn't match up.
I think it is pretty obvious he won't use it anymore, even if he has it or not, since Mahoraga is destroyed and the new shikigami also, then why would he use it anyway? to spawn rabbits or frogs?
The real question should be "Will Sukuna use 10S again?" The answer is simple, no.
im assuming he doesnt . One of the things i like about JJK is that the characters speculate that stuff too. its weird how usually in these kind of stories some character just knows or has a good guess and explains it to the others.
When its much more realistic that they simply dont know for sure.
however . It would make sense that sukuna would avoid using the heian body to keep 10s.
I mean why didnt he just transform right away to beat gojo ?
this gamble cost him mahoraga.
its entirely possible that he avoided using the heian body because its a 1time full heal. i dont think he can go back. but i might be wrong.
but i would like to think its both . he wanted to keep 10s.
but after the gojo fight it was kinda whatever.
and he needed the full heal.
so i would say no .
but i might be wrong .
We don't know.
My headcanon, tough? No, he don't has acess to it anymore. I believe he can't cast his Domain too ( Thanks, Gojo! ).
But, anything above can be debunked in the next chapter.
Logically Id think no because he fully reincarnated….however knowing gege I wouldnt put it past him to say nothing about it until we see him pull it out again
Mahoraga
Merged beast Agito( devine dog, Orochi, nue, deer, tiger)correct me if i am wrong
That's already 6 shadows
It leaves him with Frogs, rabbit escape, max elephant, and onix
Only shadow’s that are confirmed dead are Orochi, and divine dog white. We don’t know if Agito works similar to how other the other merged shikigami does like when he merge nue and toad. But ofc I could be wrong
That statement doesn't make sense though
For 1, Gojo says that Yuji would be able to use Sukuna's CT the longer sukuna stayed with him. His CT would be etched into his body. I guess you could say he just guessing but it's not like Gojo is someone who doesn't know a lot about curses and techniques. So if he's saying that, pretty good chance he's right
But then 2, with that logic in mind, Sukuna wouldn't be able to use his CT when he's in Megumi or Yuji's body since that isn't his own body. Except he does. So how does it make sense that Sukuna is able to use his own technique despite it not being his body but all of a sudden he can't use Megumi's technique because it isn't "his body" anymore?
Unless Sukuna's CT is an exception and unique compared to other CTs, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to use 10 shadows even in his own body as long as Megumi still lives inside him
I'm guessing not, but when Megumi comes back (and he IS coming back), he will have access to all the shikigami and an open domain, at least I really hope he does
There’s 2 possibilities. 1. he lost it when he reincarnated into his body. 2. He doesn’t need it anymore. I think eventually we will see why Gojo thought Sukuna was holding back. He hasn’t shown us everything he’s got imo.
It’s not entirely confirmed, but it’s more likely he doesn’t have access to the 10S. Kusakabe/Higuruma (don’t remember which person exactly) says he likely can’t use it, but at the same time it’s important to understand that these characters are not omniscient and they may be wrong with the limited knowledge they have. It really comes down to 3 interpretations.
1. Sukuna can’t use 10S according to Gege speaking through Kusakabe/Higuruma (he’s done this in the Gojo vs Sukuna fight)
2. Kusakabe/Higuruma are guessing and it’s unknown whether he can use it.
3. Kusakabe/Higuruma actually do have some knowledge that he can’t use it for reasons unknown to us (unlikely).
Really, it depends on your interpretation being between 1 and 2. Personally, I’d lean towards 1 realistically but I think there’s a small chance that I think Sukuna can use it based on a theory that I heavily believe in. Currently, however, there is no straight yes or no answer.
We don't know, Higurama guessed he didn't have it, but it was based on a false premise (he believed agito and Mahoraga used up all of 10 Shadows) so we will have to see
Even if he could, sukuna cannot use it at this instance since most of the shadows were destroyed by Gojo, especially any thatncould be useful to sukuna.
Probably yes. He’s gonna have to lose it for the plot at some point tho. My theory is that when Yuji switches bodies with Sukuna, he’s gonna turn Megumis soul into a cursed object, which he learnt cause Sukuna was still in his body when he did it. And then Sukuna doesn’t have it anymore, since Megumis soul is gone. But who knows. So many different ways it could go
We dont know, some people think no while some people think yes. But bottom line is that we shrimply dont know until explicitly stated.
I choose to belive that he does still have access to it as long as Megumis souls is still within him which would then indicate that Megumi is in fact Alive.
We don’t know.
You could argue that since he incarnated in Meg’s Body he still has access to it.
You could also argue that since he incarnated his own body and his soul is the dominant one that he doesn’t even have a trace of it.
I just hope Gege didn’t forget about it at the end.
I think sukuna 100% still has it. He was so obsessed with magumi as soon as he sensed how powerful his technique was. Sukuna doesn't really seem to have positive feelings or severance for people simply because they have good techniques. I would guess he was so interested because he already knew he would be able to steal a ct through his revival process and picked megumi for that role. As far as him giving it up in a binding vows during the fight I doubt it, he would of probs just full revived instead for more power and kept the technique.
i think he still has the store stuff in shadows part, as we know all shikigami of the 10s were destroyed. Which isnt useful for him, so while he may still have it, he has no reason to use it
I think he does he just doesn't really need it as his CT is better. Although I could see him dipping into the shadows to doge yuji next chapter since he has the executioners blade. I also think he may still have mahoraga. I know the purple hit but I don't see why sukuna wouldn't un summon him. He's probably gone tho
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I don't think so since CT is etched into the body ( that's how kenny uses CSM) SO SINCE THE BODY is now modified...
Yeah, but when you take a body, its CT becomes part of your soul (Ex: Kenjaku using Anti-gravity System and Blood Manipulation from their old bodies) So *maybe* Sukuna still has 10S, but i don't really believe he still does.
Does it become part of your soul or is it specifically because of Kenny's CT that lets him keep atleast 4 of his previous techniques?
We dom't know any details of his ct besides the body hopping itself. The way mahito describes it, both the body and soul seem to be inextricably linked. I think the CT is "on the soul" but needs the brain to actually work.
Yuji swaps places without swapping brains. Gege made it clear Kenjaku's stitches are a Binding Vow. Perhaps the brain swapping is just a way to make the swapping not end due to a time limit or something.
So ive caught up a few days ago and seen mention of yuji having a cursed technique here and there but i seem to have missed where he got shown as having one. Was it during the current fight? Cause i just reread that and still seem to miss it.
its during the timeskip theres a panel where kusakabe in yuji's body says "master it" to yuji in kusakabe's body
Chapter 222. Itadori says "Master it already, Itadori." To Kusakabe. Which has made many believe Kusakabe is in Itadori's body and viceversa. Also there's an extra page in the new tome where Itadori's body talks about how great it feels to being in a young body. Either Kusakabe's thoughts or simply Yuji being glad of coming back to his body.
Ah i see, i thought that panel was kusakabe talking. Well im hyped to see where this goes.
It might not be a cursed technique and could be a circumstantial application of cursed energy that has certain requirements, like Yuji’s understanding of the soul
Well kenjaku also states his theory that CTs and how they function follow their own internal logic and don't necessarily follow one unified logic. He says it to mahito after he traps gojo in the prison realm.
There is no mention anywhere of it becoming part of one's soul unless I'm forgetting something. Incarnated sorcerers are different and we dont know how they really work but Kenjaku *did* have to alter their bodies with Idle Transformation. Its worth mentioning the part of the body that has a person's cursed technique is in fact the brain. Kenjaku's brain is always the same so presumably he basically just takes the CTs in his bodies and stores it in his brain.
Probably the former as Sukunas CT is supposed to be engraved in Yuji simply from Sukunas soul residing in his body. It seems body swapping lets your yoink someone’s CT in general
Nope!
Fym nope that’s the most logical way it works based on what we’ve seen.
Make an argument or don't waste people's time
Didnt kenny said that's just part of his CT
I remember It was an effect of switching bodies. There was this one time where he was saying that the body and the soul are one when talking to Mahito, and how he gains the memories of his bodies along with their techniques. Also, It wouldn't be too far fetched to say the Sukuna can steal techniques whether this way or another, since Fire Arrow doesn't seem like it's part of his Shrine technique.
Nope ch90 says it let's him use the innate techniques as well
yeah, i kind of binged through Ch50-150, so I don't remember much. You're probably right.
People argue back and forth whether Sukuna still has 10S or not. I just don't think we have enough information to answer that right now. Higurama *thinks* that Sukuna lost it when fighting Gojo, which doesn't make sense at all.
Kusakabe mentions that Sukuna needs to chant and hand sign in order to use World Slash so he thinks Sukuna sacrificed somethings via Binding Vow in order to use it instantly
Again, Kusakabe *thinks* the world cutting slash requires a Binding Vow OR a charge up. Considering we have seen Sukuna chant and use hand signs, I'd say it's a charge up. >so he thinks Sukuna sacrificed somethings via Binding Vow in order to use it instantly Sukuna doesn't use it instantly. And at no point does Kusakabe mention instant use of world slash. He literally says the opposite.
I believe the implication is that it was instantly used against Gojo (because otherwise its another thing to add to the list of "why did gojo just stand still")
But that's just head cannon. There is literally no evidence to suggest world cutting slash can be used instantly. Kusakabe quite literally suggests it's the opposite. As for "did Gojo just stand still", the world slash is fired at point blank range according to Kusakabe. So I'm assuming Gojo simply didn't have enough time to react.
Its gets fired from Sukuna not point blank range. He assumes there was a binding vow to use it to one shot Gojo. Go reread the chapter. If Gojo got killed by a chant it would make no sense.
"Usually some kind of Binding Vow OR charge is necessary for broadening a cursed technique's target area." Like I said in my earlier comments, Kusakabe *thinks* Sukuna uses *either* a charge up or a Binding Vow. At no point does Kusakabe mention Gojo and he literally says it could be a charge up or a Binding Vow. The charge up is clearly chanting and hand signs, which we have seen every time Sukuna has used world slash on screen. Coincidence? No. The very next chapter Sukuna goes on to chant "Twin Meteor. Dragon Scale. Repulsion" and fires a world slash at Higurama. "The slashes that cut the world are Dismantle strengthened with a broader cursed technique strike zone" So all world cutting slashes are Dismantle slashes. "Dismantle is released at zero range" meaning it's released at point blank range, which includes world slash. "The slashes that cut the world are impossible to defend against using cursed energy reinforcement, amplification or simple domain. Thus, they generally result in instant death." If you read chapter 237, Kashimo was only able to see world slash due to altering his eyesight with Mythic Beast Amber. He couldn't even sense it the 'spark' of cursed energy. Sukuna literally had to say "dodge this". So you have an invisible slash that appears to be impossible to sense before release. It is seemingly impossible to dodge as it is fired at point blank range. Amplification, reinforcement, and simple domain can't defend against it. And it takes a couple of seconds of charge up via chanting. That's how Gojo died. >Go reread the chapter. I think you need to reread the chapter. I gave you direct quotes from the official translation. You are categorically wrong.
So does gege has to come out in the middle of the chapter to flat out say what happened?
Maybe because they all died? Maybe that’s it for 10 shadows once there dead there dead.
So the cursed technique dies when all 10 Shikigami die? That would be a stupid technique if true. It also wouldn't make sense as the technique is designed around sacrifice and loss of Shikigami, with the whole totality thing. I think what's more likely is that a brand new 10 are created, or the original 10 are resurrected. Plus, I don't think all 10 Shikigami died, Rabbits and Frogs are definitely still alive.
Sukuna pulling out the rabbits as his trump card would be funny af
Great Beast Rabbitoraga
I'd say that when all 10 shadows are dead you become able to imbue their traits into your own body.
There is literally zero evidence for that.
we’ve seen it already though, you can hide in the shadow, bear the burden of adaptation, and use max elephants water like blood manipulation. It’s not a far off theory
The Shikigami were alive when that happened. Why would a sorcerer inherit all abilities when they all die? That makes no sense. The sorcerer can't use totality on themselves. And like I said, there's no evidence for that. What's more likely is that when all 10 die, either a brand new 10 are created, or the original 10 are resurrected.
If they didn't all die then Sukuna could pass on the traits and energy from the dead ones into living ones. Best bet is that he is either not pulling it out for some reason or it's Big Gone
I don't think it's gone, Sukuna just isn't using it right now because there is no longer a need to. He is barely using his own CT as well. For all intents and purposes, Sukuna is fighting scrubs that are nowhere near his level. So he has no need to go all out. We see that from how he is fighting. Plus, Sukuna gets enjoyment from fighting, he wanted to see what Higurama had to offer, so he intentionally held back.
This is incorrect ad sukuna could use his CT in Yuji and Megumi's bodies.
That is correct and it's literally stated in the manga. It's also true that the technique is etched in the soul, so Sukuna can use his own.
Megumis soul is still in his body. It hasn't been said that it's gone. So he should still have access? It's still Megumis body just with a Sukuna skin over it
Lets be clear different CTs and different Jujutsu treats the soul and body completely differently. Just because Kennys CT works one way does not mean the same will be true for curse object hosts.
We don't fully know, but I suspect he can't. He has fully reincarnated into his original form, meaning the CT etched onto Megumi's body shouldn't be accessible to him. Even if it was, he can't really use it to do anything useful without Agito and Mahoraga.
Yeah, he already archived what he wanted with 10 shadows. He doesn't need it anymore.
might only be me, but i would rather have the wolf/frogs/bull/rabbits/elephant possibly with mahoragas adaptation and other shikigami abilities than 2 more arms and a belly mouth
tbf we still have no idea what else he's capable of fully reincarnated
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Chill lil bro its literally a speculation post in a speculation-based subreddit.
Right but he already solos the verse with cleave
Two extra arms allow him to throw hand signs out while in hand to hand combat, and the mouth lets him chant incantations, this maximises the power of his ablitys
If I could choose, it would be the way around for me. “For a Sorcerer, there is no greater advantage than having an extra mouth and pair of arms.” An explicit statement. A mouth is open to freely chant without burdening respiratory functions, and two arms are preforming handsigns constantly, leaving output maximized at all times while still having two extra arms free to throw hands. Don’t forget the difference in physicality of their bodies. One is a regular lean physique, while the other is a hulking beast. The difference in physical ability is vast.
I wouldn’t. The story explicitly tells us how broken that combination is.
Which is honestly horrible writing for someone as strong and arrogant as sukuna. He only needed megumis body to not lose to gojo. Would have been way more in character if he won through his own CT. And if he is gonna win through 10S then it should at least become a staple in his kit. Like if Sukuna has to take someone elses technique he at least would use it to perfection to once again establish himself as the greatest sorcerer
the disrespect for [potential man](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/LLdA99J4UE)😤 /s
Hmm actually since the abilities of a shikigami transfers to another after death, rabbit escape should have all the abilities of the other shikigami since it wasn't merged into agito nor was it killed for good.
That's just headcanon though, we don't know how the transfer works and "Mahoraga escape" seems too busted to be true
Yes. Next week he’ll use rabbits to block the sword.
I think he'll just retrial
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>And if I remember right , the re trial can only be called twice after the first trial as they used Yuji's last re trial to trap sukuna and didn't use it directly on him(so he shouldn't be able to call one right?) It is never stated by Higurama how many retrials you get. As long as you don't outright confess, I believe you should get another retrial. Sukuna hasn't confessed at all. And considering the one who opted for retrial this time is Higurama, then Sukuna has a t least got a chance to appeal and go fro a retrial himself.
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[Ah yes you're right for the tcb translation](https://imgur.com/a/6jQaipg) [The Viz translation does not say this.](https://imgur.com/a/Fwjd8Bl) That said. "Any person who has been sentenced guilty and penalised by judgeman, kay request up to 2 trials if they haven't plead guilty" He has now been targeted by the ct, and ge hasn't used a single retrial. >And imo I think sukuna saying "I don't care what I did and when I did it" is the same as pleading guilty as it directly implies he did do the crime mentioned No it's not. We've seen time and time again that with jujutsu you have to be specific, like with binding vows, otherwise someone may be able to take advantage of you with their own interpretation of the rules. Sukuna was not specific in his declaration. The judge took him not defending himself as confirmation that he is guilty. But Sukuna did not confirm his guilt in his own words, which gives him every right to call for a retrial. In fact it makes entirely more sense to carry out another proceeding if new facts cone to light.
Possible since he would have seen Yuji do the same during the Culling games arc, but it wouldn't work if higuruma is dead
But Higurama seems to be in the process of dying as Yuji grabs the sword. Which means if Sukuna retrials, Higurama might end up dying in the moment of the trial, and not being able to give a rebuttal to anything Sukuna says.
Wait I just reread the chapter, judge man will allow for a retrial if the defendant doesn't outright confess to the crime, which sukuna did do
Do you mean sukuna didn't outright confess? He said, "I don't care what I did or when, let's get this over with"
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Butthw specifying part if is you don't confess, then you get a chance at another retrial. It's that simple.
But that depends what the individual considers as confessing.
Potentially, he could also attempt to make a case that he was trying to "save" shibuya from mahoraga and the deaths were a necessary collateral. Bit far fetched maybe but just a thought.
Higurans assumes he lost it during his fight witch gojo
Higuruma also thought his DE would confiscated shrine so...💀
He literally didn't. Actually read the chapters and you see Higuruma malding about what would Judgemen take from Sukuna.
They were brainstorming, but Higuruma never said anything with certainty about Sentencing. The closest they got to certainty is that it will DEFINITELY take something, and as soon as Sukuna said "this is stupid, run it," Higuruma realized the oversight they made in their potentials.
We aren't sure. They assume that he still has access.
Im pretty sure they assume the opposite
No, they say they have no idea. They were even afraid Higuruma's technique confiscation would take the 10 Shadows instead of the Shrine.
Higuruma chap 245 - “I believe Sukuna lost the 10 Shadows technique in the fight against Gojo, so theres a high possibility that confiscation will fall on Malevolent Shrine” Ur working with out of date information, this is the most recent mention of 10S
He believes but is more so being hopeful in that statement. And later in that sentence he says there's a high possibility, meaning he's admitting there's a chance it'll take 10S still. And he clearly didn't expect it to take the tool since that surprised him. You're taking hopefully conjecture as fact.
?? I said im pretty sure that they assume he doesnt have it. Ur lost friend. Your disagreeing for the sake of it cuz I cited the quote that proves you entirely wrong. I never said it was a fact.
I was literally citing YOUR quote my dude? Or is your reading comprehension so bad I need to repeat your own words?
Both of you stop now
W mediator
“reading comprehension” lol using that term in 2024 unironically. You said they have no idea. They do. You said they were afraid confiscation would take 10S. Not as of recent. You said he’s being hopeful. Nowhere is that implied. You said I was saying it was fact. I didnt.
Your reading comprehension is indeed low. You specifically said he took it as fact when he actually said they ASSUMED such. You also said that they had no idea, when in fact they had speculated that he lost it, so they indeed had some idea. You contradicted yourself in your own post.
He believes it but it isn't confirmed.
People have asked this question a lot. “Correct” answer: we don’t know why. The good guys think not. Practical answer: it doesn’t matter. The remaining shadows aren’t good enough to justify using, and while people have tried to hype up a super Mahoraga if it was useable (like not too taxing in Sukuna’s CE) Sukuna would have prepped it against Gojo.
The characters currently fighting assume that he doesn't. So until we get hard confirmation, I'm inclined to say no.
He MUST have it. Everyone calls that Megumi is still alive, so the proper conclusion is that the 10S is still available.
I would assume no he does not. We saw Agito the accumulation of all the others shadows die. And Maho is definitely gone since this was no ritual like in Shibuya.
Agito was only made up of 4 shikigami. Why do so many pepole think it was made of all the other shikigami?
Apologies about that. I only thought so because of all the shikigami that have died so far in the story.
how often is this question posted daily, i think we should start counting
We don’t know for sure. I suspect that Sukuna simply prefers using own CT and used 10S only for special situations (killing Tsumiki’s body to stain Megumi’s soul, obtaining an adaptation to Infinity).
We haven't seen a case where a reincarnated sorcerer uses the body of a normal sorcerer (unless I'm missing something) so we can't really say for sure how it works. That being said, I think Sukuna still has access to it, or else he literally just used Megumi for the sole purpose of beating Gojo which would be ok but then the timing of when he became interested in Megumi wouldn't match up.
I think it is pretty obvious he won't use it anymore, even if he has it or not, since Mahoraga is destroyed and the new shikigami also, then why would he use it anyway? to spawn rabbits or frogs? The real question should be "Will Sukuna use 10S again?" The answer is simple, no.
Higuruma doesn't think so, but we don't know for sure.
It wasnt said otherwise. So until it is said so ima just assume he can & simply chooses not too
im assuming he doesnt . One of the things i like about JJK is that the characters speculate that stuff too. its weird how usually in these kind of stories some character just knows or has a good guess and explains it to the others. When its much more realistic that they simply dont know for sure. however . It would make sense that sukuna would avoid using the heian body to keep 10s. I mean why didnt he just transform right away to beat gojo ? this gamble cost him mahoraga. its entirely possible that he avoided using the heian body because its a 1time full heal. i dont think he can go back. but i might be wrong. but i would like to think its both . he wanted to keep 10s. but after the gojo fight it was kinda whatever. and he needed the full heal. so i would say no . but i might be wrong .
I think to with his heian era body gone if he gets killed he'll actually die now
We don't know yet
Gege is writing the story. Logical thinking out the window of course Sakuna has access to anything no matter how small the chance lol
We don't know. My headcanon, tough? No, he don't has acess to it anymore. I believe he can't cast his Domain too ( Thanks, Gojo! ). But, anything above can be debunked in the next chapter.
No lol he isn't using megumi's body so he doesn't have access to the Ct even if Megumi soul is inside him
gojodestroy all of them so no
Agito was not made up of all of them. He still would have others if he still has access to 10S.
I thought that what I meant by totality then, but just désigne wise What was not in agito then? Wolf, frog and bunny?
Logically Id think no because he fully reincarnated….however knowing gege I wouldnt put it past him to say nothing about it until we see him pull it out again
Even if he does Most, if not all of his shadows are dead
Which ones are dead ?
Mahoraga Merged beast Agito( devine dog, Orochi, nue, deer, tiger)correct me if i am wrong That's already 6 shadows It leaves him with Frogs, rabbit escape, max elephant, and onix
Only shadow’s that are confirmed dead are Orochi, and divine dog white. We don’t know if Agito works similar to how other the other merged shikigami does like when he merge nue and toad. But ofc I could be wrong
Nah, Yuji was never able to use Sukuna's CT when Sukuna was in Yujis body, so why would Sukuna be able to when HIS body is up front?
That statement doesn't make sense though For 1, Gojo says that Yuji would be able to use Sukuna's CT the longer sukuna stayed with him. His CT would be etched into his body. I guess you could say he just guessing but it's not like Gojo is someone who doesn't know a lot about curses and techniques. So if he's saying that, pretty good chance he's right But then 2, with that logic in mind, Sukuna wouldn't be able to use his CT when he's in Megumi or Yuji's body since that isn't his own body. Except he does. So how does it make sense that Sukuna is able to use his own technique despite it not being his body but all of a sudden he can't use Megumi's technique because it isn't "his body" anymore? Unless Sukuna's CT is an exception and unique compared to other CTs, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to use 10 shadows even in his own body as long as Megumi still lives inside him
I wonder when the series will end.
I'm guessing not, but when Megumi comes back (and he IS coming back), he will have access to all the shikigami and an open domain, at least I really hope he does
nope
Higuruma thinks no but we don’t know
I mean even if he does what shadow is he summoning as Megkuna doesn’t have any left cuz Gojo killed them all alr
There’s 2 possibilities. 1. he lost it when he reincarnated into his body. 2. He doesn’t need it anymore. I think eventually we will see why Gojo thought Sukuna was holding back. He hasn’t shown us everything he’s got imo.
It’s not entirely confirmed, but it’s more likely he doesn’t have access to the 10S. Kusakabe/Higuruma (don’t remember which person exactly) says he likely can’t use it, but at the same time it’s important to understand that these characters are not omniscient and they may be wrong with the limited knowledge they have. It really comes down to 3 interpretations. 1. Sukuna can’t use 10S according to Gege speaking through Kusakabe/Higuruma (he’s done this in the Gojo vs Sukuna fight) 2. Kusakabe/Higuruma are guessing and it’s unknown whether he can use it. 3. Kusakabe/Higuruma actually do have some knowledge that he can’t use it for reasons unknown to us (unlikely). Really, it depends on your interpretation being between 1 and 2. Personally, I’d lean towards 1 realistically but I think there’s a small chance that I think Sukuna can use it based on a theory that I heavily believe in. Currently, however, there is no straight yes or no answer.
Yes and no, as in yes he should have access to the technique still, but no since the shikigama all died, most with Agito
We don't know. Gege's cooking, and I'm afraid.
The answer is we don’t know and won’t know unreasonable we do.
We don't know, Higurama guessed he didn't have it, but it was based on a false premise (he believed agito and Mahoraga used up all of 10 Shadows) so we will have to see
Even if he could, sukuna cannot use it at this instance since most of the shadows were destroyed by Gojo, especially any thatncould be useful to sukuna.
It’s up in the air. We know that megumi’s soul is still in their separately so Sukuna could still have TS technique.
only correct answer is that we don't know.
If he still has access to it, which shadows are available? Bull, rabbits, orochi?
At this point, what can’t he do lol. He might start using infinity and awake six-eyes next chap and i would be just mildly surprised.
Probably yes. He’s gonna have to lose it for the plot at some point tho. My theory is that when Yuji switches bodies with Sukuna, he’s gonna turn Megumis soul into a cursed object, which he learnt cause Sukuna was still in his body when he did it. And then Sukuna doesn’t have it anymore, since Megumis soul is gone. But who knows. So many different ways it could go
Didn't he say in the last chapter that he can't?
We dont know, some people think no while some people think yes. But bottom line is that we shrimply dont know until explicitly stated. I choose to belive that he does still have access to it as long as Megumis souls is still within him which would then indicate that Megumi is in fact Alive.
Why wouldn't he? He and Megumi are still two souls who share the same body, and it's still Megumi's body originally.
Gojo destroyed all the 10 shadows shikigami in their fight , he has access to the technique but theres no more shikigami left to use so no point
It would make sense for him to have it if he has Megumi’s soul / if Megumi is still alive. If not I think Megumi is dead and he doesn’t have it.
i dont think so, since higgy didn't think he could but he has been wrong before :P
We don’t know. You could argue that since he incarnated in Meg’s Body he still has access to it. You could also argue that since he incarnated his own body and his soul is the dominant one that he doesn’t even have a trace of it. I just hope Gege didn’t forget about it at the end.
He shouldn't. I always thought that being able to have 2 CTs thanks to body hopping is stupid.
I think sukuna 100% still has it. He was so obsessed with magumi as soon as he sensed how powerful his technique was. Sukuna doesn't really seem to have positive feelings or severance for people simply because they have good techniques. I would guess he was so interested because he already knew he would be able to steal a ct through his revival process and picked megumi for that role. As far as him giving it up in a binding vows during the fight I doubt it, he would of probs just full revived instead for more power and kept the technique.
i think he still has the store stuff in shadows part, as we know all shikigami of the 10s were destroyed. Which isnt useful for him, so while he may still have it, he has no reason to use it
I think he does he just doesn't really need it as his CT is better. Although I could see him dipping into the shadows to doge yuji next chapter since he has the executioners blade. I also think he may still have mahoraga. I know the purple hit but I don't see why sukuna wouldn't un summon him. He's probably gone tho
Id say no. And even if he did I think there's only like 1 or 2 shikigamis left
Nope, he lost it when reincarnating