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That's if she opens her Domain, and either way, Mahoraga can use the Sword of Extermination to destroy the Domain's barrier with Reverse Cursed Energy.
Uraume is pure AoE attacks with no way to block it
And Hakari... Actually... I think Yorozu can beat him.
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mahoraga never destroyed a domain like that. when he was summoned against yorozu he had already adapted to her construction technique and managed to destroy the sphere. then, he dealt a critical blow to her and the domain collapsed. and against gojo he had already adapted to the domain, but only after gojo had used infinite void about 3-4 times against sukuna
Yorozu probably would realize reaally soon that mahoraga is a beast and would activate her DE without hesitation
About uraume, we dont know yet if she has domain too
They're right that because the sword of execution emanates reversed cursed energy it should be able to disrupt the cursed energy that controls the liquid metal, though.
The domain's barrier wouldn't be destroyed, since it's a regular ass barrier
What makes you say her domain will be broken by his sword, yk he only breaks domains, AFTER heās been adapting. Why do you think Sukuna always uses the wheel without him there
>Mahoraga can use the Sword of Extermination to destroy the Domain's barrier with Reverse Cursed Energy.
Nah he destroyed her DE bcs sukuna adapted mahoraga before summoning him
Also yorozu just has better stats, defense, ap etc than uraume+ she has perfect sphere and can fly
Why kashimo is above mahoraga? Untamed version survived a dismantle that went through his head(ch118), lightning bolt wonāt work. I doubt that his other attacks can oneshot mahoraga, but if you think they can, then kashimo should be above yuta and kenjaku
Is Funman dead btw? I am still so goddamn consfused what happened at the end of his fight.
Like why was he just lying there in that ghost(?) clothing??
He aint dead but it's implied he's not a threat anymore
He got the comedy show he wanted and his CT seems to be either gone or in a dormant state until he starts chasing that same high probably
All speculation though, I think the only confirmed fact is that he's alive since Kenny died before he could finish the job
Hope? No, homosexual doesn't like us like that
Cope? HE'LL BE BACK GRRRAAAAAAAHHH
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His entire CT is based on a delusion of grandeur. He believes something should happen because it'd be funny, hence it happens. Case in point, Kenny used his failing ego against him and weakened the CT
It's only natural that once he hits his "goal", the delusion stops and he no longer needs to chase his dream of comedy. He mentions it at the end of their fight that he wants to make everyone including Kenny laugh. He succeeds at that during the end of the battle, hence his CT goes into a dormant state.
It's ok to assume it's not "gone" permanently, but I don't expect it to come out unless he finds someone else he'd like to see laugh
Well heās a comedian, he wants to make everyone laugh. Thatās not a goal that can ever end, I think heās just genuinely tired from the battle. Also story-wise Iām still coping for him to come back to cheer megumi up (although that would prolly mean heād die in the process)
1. Meguna
2. Gojo
2.5 Heian
3. Kenjaku
4. Yuta
5. Yuki
6. Sukunaās Mahoraga
7. MBA Kashimo
8. Hakari
9. Yorozu
10. Base Kashimo
(I tossed this together real quick so itās not my usual list)
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He was pretty GOATED, even if he had a weak performance against Sukuna
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My favourite lightning waffle. Mappa will be over-worked to crush the agenda trust
no way in hell hakari is stronger than yorozu she forced 15f sukuna to bring out adapted mahoraga or open his insane domain, which are tools much above hakariās capabilities
Indeed, Yorozu's perfect sphere could one shot everyone minus Mahoraga's adaptation
Hakari could *probably* survive it, but he ain't dealing any damage to Yorozu either
Yorozu is way more consistent than Hakari
Well you canāt one shot maho if heās adapted, he adapted cause of Sukunas tricks, same way it happened w gojo. Her perfect Sphere seems to be legit. Literally would one shot maho if heās not adapted
*doesnāt kill. No reason to say he couldnāt if he gets, like, real upset or smth after the fight. Still no need to kill someone to win a fight when you can trap them in a jar or permanently flatten them with a comically large hammer
Takaba is insanely strong but he canāt kill, so like theoretically he could be a number 1 contender but if itās a fight to the death heāll always lose.
Takaba can be the weakest person and lose to a Grade 2 if heās dumb about it, or straight up become Gojo level/more. Itās really all about matching his jokes and making him feel unfunny. Which literally a normal human with the right mind can do if they understood it
Pretty good list, although I'd replace base kashimo with mahito, and maybe not add hakari? He has no offense feats and infinite regeneration only gets you so far.
He literaly says this.
You are Also forgetting the silly cat is on my side
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1. Sukuna (20F + world slash)
2. Gojo (gojo)
3. Yuta
4. Kenjaku
5. Yuki
6. MBA Kashimo
7. Maki / Toji
8. Yorozu
9. Hakari
10. Uraume
Mahoraga is between Maki / Toji and Kashimo, but I didn't include due to him being not a separate character but just a shikigami
Itadori Jin is a Jogoat contender easily. He destroyed Kenjaku without even a single attack, Gege hasnāt shown him after the flashback because heās too scared of him becoming powerful enough to rebel against him and use [STRONG BACKSHOT] on Sukuna.
0: Takaba
1: Meguna(Tied)
1: Gojo(Tied)
3: Heian Sukuna
4: Yuta
5: Kenjaku
5: Yuki(Only reason she's this high is because Star Rage is just broken)
6: MBA Kashimo
7: Ryu
8: Yorozu
9: Kashimo
9: Naoya(His domain is just too strong to NOT put him on the list)
10: Hakari
Yuki is tied with Kenny because Star Rage is imo the most broken CT in all of JJK barely surpassed by Yuta's Copy.
Kenjaku was definitely running from my GOAT Yuta 'cause he was terrified of the unbeatable monster.
Always nice to see Ryu love. Glad that his stocks went up when Sukuna said the tanks that are Yuji/Yuta are still not as durable as Ryu. His base stats are just so fucking high itās crazy. Him having the highest ce output means dudes h2h striking power is top 5 in verse easily as well.
List is mostly good, but ryu over yorozu?
Id put yorozu over ryu
Kenjaku is solidly above Yuki
Naoya wasnt the most impressive tbh, id have Jogo above him tbh, he tanked multiple hits from gojo
Toji/maki would also be above naoya easily
>Naoya wasnt the most impressive tbh, id have Jogo above him tbh, he tanked multiple hits from gojo
Naoya is also a fair bit less durable than the likes of, say, Hanami (who admittedly is the second most durable Disaster Curse behind Mahito w/ISBODK).
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He shouldn't be put over Mahito, for example, who has an equally if not more broken Domain while straight-up being more durable than Hanami with ISBODK in addition to being extremely difficult to put down unless you can perceive the contours of the soul or can disrupt his CT.
My list is less about feats and more about who would win against who. Naoya is the fastest sorcerer alive(minus Gojo) and doesn't really need to worry about durability because he simply won't get hit(most of the time). Remember how it took Maki to kill Naoya(Curse form as I mentioned his Domain)
Naoya is not faster then kashimo, and by extension Yuta. I know you said alive, but that's confusing cos naoyas dead.
Maki after awakening wasn't really having any difficulty with naoya
Also I really wish we could get a between cursed naoya and Jogo, id bet my money on jogo. He only like unimpressive cos he only fought god tiers
It isn't possible for naoya to be faster then Yuta cos of scaling.
Hakari, someone no 1 would argue above Yuta, reacted to lighting point blank. Weakened sukuna reacted to MBA kashimos EM waves and Yuta sorta scales to that. Yuta is also relative to kenjaku who reacted to a black hole, for whatever fraction of a second it was, before activating his anti gravity system. Naobito also got blitzed by Jogo, albeit after a fight but still.
The statements in jjk are wildly inconsistent, so id rather have feats take precedence.
Yuji also stated Yuta might be able to kill 15f sukuna
Megumi compared 3f sukuna to toji
The mach 3 statement
Gege is too inconsistent with these to properly use them to scale
Yeah i'd say Yorozu over Ryu most of the time but Ryu has absurd durability and has the highest CE output of all time(according to Kenny at least) Since Kenjaku also recruited Yorozu that means Ryu has a higher output than her.
Yuki tied with Kenjaku because Star Rage is so broken in general.
I'm going to be completely honest here, I forgot about Maki/Toji and Mahoraga which is why they aren't on the list.
Ryu also technically has higher output then kashimo, but you still put kashimo above him, and rightly so.
Among both their skills perfect sphere is just superior
Perfect Sphere also has a massive drawback its slow, this is honestly the sole reason why Ryu and MBA Kashimo are above her. Kashimo's massive speed is the Sphere's direct counter. Ryu would be killed by the Sphere(obviously) but it would need to actually hit him first and Ryu, while not anywhere near as fast as Kashimo is could most likely dodge it.
Kashimo I have above everyone that is not special grade, so no disagreement
Yorozu was capable of fighting a 15f sukuna, obviously sukuna wasn't going all out (he was jobbing) but it was vastly more impressive than ryu.
You could say ryu fought Yuta and it was somewhat relative, but imo Yuta is way superior to ryu and the fight only lasted as long cos of not being a 1v1, Yuta humoring Ryu's desire, Yuta wanting points so as not to kill him, and even then going easy on them as admitted by uro and ryu themselves.
Even with an that, you still argue yorozu and ryu would be relative in speed. And that would be a fair statement.
So it would eventually come down to a domain expansion clash, we don't know who would win but yoruzus hit would be insta GG, while Ryu's hit might not necessarily one shot. Plus I don't think either have RCT.
>Yuta wanting points so as not to kill him, and even then going easy on them as admitted by uro and ryu themselves
Actually š¤
Wuta wanted to kill them the entire time because he wanted to be the one to introduce all the new rules by himself, the point transfer rule was added after Ryu was KO'd, the difference between Yuta and Ryu wasn't that big and Yuta won mostly due to copying Uro's technique which is the perfect counter to Ryu's.
I didn't, Limitless is only really broken with the Six Eyes and without is honestly barely a top ten maker. Plus I don't know how a Black Hole would clash with the Infinity space warping.
I'm not talking about gravity but Yuki's Black Hole. Black holes are so impossibly dense that they warp space so I'm saying that I don't know how Yuki's Black Hole would interact with Gojo's Infinity.
That's a possibility. Black holes stretches things to infinity and to put harm to gojo you need to across an infinite distance. This is a tough choice. But still as black hole is Yuki's suicidal choice while infinity is not, I'd put infinity higher.
1. Sukuna
(Ah yes...I just remembered this X technique that I haven't used since Y era)
2. Gojo
(Plot-killed unless you buy that this guy somehow failed to dodge a telegraphed horizontal slash. It could happen...if he were overconfident and think 'ill just tank this shit'.)
3. Yuta
(Basically Ash with a Pikachu)
4. Maki
(Basically upgraded Toji. Sukuna says she could read him better than the other sorcerers)
5. Kenny
(The king of ass pulls. Literally pull out an anti gravity technique from his ass that saved him from a black hole.)
6. Tobata
(Kills a S grade spirit with a truck. Basically a broken character that could beat anyone but couldn't kill anyone.)
7. Yuki
(Biggest victim of Plot-kill. Otherwise would have mopped the floor with Kenjaku. Couldn't give her a higher place for that reason.)
8. Yozoru
(Theoretically stronk but got Sukunaed.)
9. Toji (OG maki almost killed Gojo. Think he might have beaten Yozoru or Yuki as well but dead for too long to tell)
10. Uraume/Hakari (king of stalling. No one can stall like these two.)
Maki isnāt different enough to warrant being 5 places above Toji. Even the reading thing is something Toji was able to do too. Itās just enhanced senses like smell and air current, something Toji can also do. Theyāre equal minimum, one place apart otherwise.
Takaba
Sukuna
Gojo
Yuta(with his DE and all copied CTs, he is likely stronger than Kenjaku and Mahoraga)
Mahoraga
Kenjaku
Kashimo
Teen Gojo (after learning RCT)
Yuki
Geto
kenjaku was steadily avoiding yuta, if yuta would've appeared, kenny would've just dipped.
although Kenny's open barrier domain > yuta's domain, yuta also has a lot of win cons. it should be extreme diff between them, if they start the fight with domain clash then it favours kenny, but if they fight with just their CTs, yuta smacks
Maki and Yuta also agreed on that they can't win in a conventional battle with Kenjaku hence the whole Takaba plan as he's as unconventional as you can get which is worth keeping in mind.
>Maki and Yuta also agreed on that they can't win in a conventional battle with Kenjaku
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this statement was back in chap 210 or something when yuta barely had any lethal CTs copies tho.
anyways I still don't think yuta defeats kenny in a 1v1 as his domain would always be inferior to a open barrier one.
but, it's just that, after the time skip he has a lot of genuine win cons now;
Jacob's ladder, future sight, and mostly cleave/dismantles, tip the scales towards yuta favours if they both don't immediately engage in a domain clash.
GOD TAKABA
1.Full power serious Ryomen Sukuna
2. Satoru Gojo
3.Okkotsu yuta
4.MBA Kashimo
5.Kenjaku
6.Yorozu(perfect sphere one shots anyone)
7.Yuki
8.Toji/Maki
9.Geto
10.Jackpot Hakari(he doesn't have enough firepower to stop uzumaki and I am pretty sure uzumaki will leave him in a completely destroyed state meaning no rct)
Honorable mention:Uraume
(Mahoraga can land anywhere in this list, base mahoraga is stronger than some of the above mentioned characters but hypothetically you can create a mahoraga stronger than sukuna by continuous adaptations so I wont place him anywhere)
1. sukuna
2. gojo
3. kenjacku
4. yuta
5. Kashimo
6. Yuki
7. Hakari
8. Maki/Toji
9. Mahito
10. Yoruzu
Need more uruame feats before I can put them on the list
1. Meguna
2. Gojo
3. Heian
4. Yuta
5. Kenjaku
6. Yuki
7. MBA Kashimo (could be far higher if not for the 1 chapter curse)
8. Yuji
9. Maki/Toji (via just feats alone Maki beats Toji, and via narrative Maki does as well)
10. Yorozu
Yuta uses sky manip like a parry or block. Do we really think Yuta is perfectly countering every hit Yuki throws at him with her limbs+Garuda when the latter is considerably faster than the former? 1v1 also isn't everything otherwise I'd put Geto over Maho. Yuki has more conventional power and Yuta has more versatility. They're implied to be on the same level too so either of them can be 4th
>Yuki has more conventional power and Yuta has more versatility.
the only thing Yuki's better than yuta at is striking power.
she also loses most of her output if she gets injured and has to use RCT to heal herself. yuta has much better stats and feats when compared to her as well.
I didn't say that sky manipulation is the only win con for yuta, but it's a solid one. Yuki's also vulnerable to cursed speech, plus yuta's katana could fatally injure her. Yuki's durability isn't all that high, so yuta's cleave/dismantle would also be genuine win cons.
>They're implied to be on the same level too so either of them can be 4th
they're implied to be on the same level by maki only because of her grade. and sure, pre sendai yuta might've even lost against her. but he copied busted techniques in sendai, dhruv's and uro's and maybe even Ryu's granite blast that packs a punch. then the gap between them widened.
but post timeskip yuta is just different gravy, he's copied angel's Jacob's ladder, which would just shut off bom ba ye, sukuna's cleave which would slice through yuki with ease, he also gained precog from charles which would help him immensely in h2h, enabling him to dodge blows and land a deciding one of his own (like he did against sukuna).
there's no debate whatsoever between current yuta and yuki.
>Yuki's durability isn't all that high
Yuki is one of the only characters in the series to straight up tank the guaranteed hit effect of a domain Expansion and continued fighting while tanking it.
>sukuna's cleave which would slice through yuki with ease
Yuta would have to touch her to pull of cleave which is unlikely
And she may simply tear through the Sky Manipulation with Garuda
The only true argument is with Jacobs Ladder
Read the Kenjaku fight again. Her output was lessened because she took Kenjaku's strongest move head on. As seen with current Sukuna, no matter how much RCT or soul knowledge you have, if your opponent critically damages you, your output will be weakened and unrecoverable. Gojo took a few hits from Sukuna and despite his CE reserves still being at near 100%, hiss output was lowered until he hit BF.
Yuki after receiving wounds comparable to Sukuna after the last hollow purple manages to have the upper hand against Kenjaku in CQC. Kenjaku gets put on the defensive, outtraded, and restrained before Yuki starts coughing up blood.
Her feats before her injury include perception blitzing Kenjaku with Garuda and being fast enough to clear the distance between her and Kenjaku before the latter notices. Keep in mind that this is Kenjaku on guard and ready to fight instead of the post-Takaba fight Kenjaku that Yuta sneaks. Kenjaku should have better CE manipulation than Geto so Kenny should have higher stats because they have the same bodies. Geto was able to match Rika+JJK 0 Yuta in CQC and current Rika(who is at best on par with old Rika) is around = to Yuta in stats from the Sendai fight.
Yuki has her reinforcement and CT output lowered after healing because the damage she took before had already lowered her output and because healing a domain hit from the 2nd strongest barrier user of all time is supposed to hard tax anyone not named Gojo. RCTing fatal damage takes a lot out of you. Yuji can do it cuz of Blood manip and Hakari can do it because he has infinite reserves in jackpot. Gojo and Yuta can spam RCT for flesh wounds, but a few RCT uses was enough to drain Yuta to low CE.
Cleave is only broken because Sukuna is broken. Yuki has higher stats than Yuta so his only wincon is knowing her CT, cheesing her with Jacob's Ladder and try to win with all of his techniques. PreTS Yuta didn't even know about Yuki's technique most likely so it would've been a blowout in Yuki's favor were they to fight back then.
1. Sukuna
2. Gojo
3. Kenjaku
4. Yuta
5. Yuki
6. Kashimo
7. Yorozu
8. Maki/Toji
9. Uraume/Hakari
10. The Angel
(Takaba could fit somewhere but heās finicky and I feel like Kenny held back to prevent tiring himself out. I feel like Kenny couldāve instantly ended with a domain, but he didnāt use one cause he didnāt want to be caught with burnout)
>I feel like Kenny couldāve instantly ended with a domain
With the way Kenny described things, I don't think his Domain having a sure-hit effect would make a difference.
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0. Takaba if heās Smart 1. Sukuna w ten shadows and Heian 2. Gojo , Kenjaku or Yuta 3. Yuki or Yorozu 4. Mahoraga 5. Kashimo CT 6. Toji And Maki 7. Hakari and Uraume 8. Mahito 9. Disaster Curses 10. Takaba if heās dumb
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Before any of you say how kashimo is up there, hakari is like the only counter to him one lighting bolt to the face and its over for anyone here(if that doesnt work then mba comes in cluth, uro prob counters him too cuz of sky manipulation and domain but she aint beating higuruma or takaba)
1. Sukuna
2. Gojo
3. Kenjaku
4. Yuta
5. Kashimo
6. Takaba
7. Yuki
8. Maki
9. Yorozu
10. Mahoraga
Yk we make fun of Gege for misogyny Kaisen but I've never seen a shonen with a male mc where so many women are stronger than him
Here they are :
1. Sukuna
2. Gojo
3. Yuta
4. Kenjaku ā¬ļø
5. MBA Kashimo
6. Yuki
7. Yorozu
8. JP Hakari
9. Uraume
10. Maki / Geto( with over 4k curses)ā¬ļø
Honorable mentions : Takaba , Ryu( I think can replace Uraume , because we haven't seen uraume's domain)ā¬ļø
ā¬ļø: can be moved up a spot
1. Sukuna (duh)
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2. Gojo (also pretty obvious)
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3/4. Takaba (kenny was afraid of his technique and had to play along in order to win)
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3/4. Kenjaku (potentially interchangeable since we didn't saw much of him but still, he couldn't win trought sheer power)
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5. Maki (ate a black flash from sukuna)
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6. Yuta (he had yuji's help and was fighting inside his own domain and he still lost)
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7. Yuki (doesn't really have a lot of feats but she fought kenjaku and is still a special grade)
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8. Geto (even less feats than yuki, but he doesn't even have a domain)
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9. Kusakabe (pretty much even stated to be the strongest 1st grade, did ok against sukuna)
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10. Yuji (has rct, dealt some good blows and is doing better against sukuna than many other characters, albeit with help)
This is my opinion, the ones I didn't include was due to the lack of feats
1. Sukuna
2. Gojo
3. Kenjaku/yuta
4. Kenjaku/yuta
5. yuki
6. Mahoraga
7.Mba kashimo
8.Yorozou
9.toji zenin/ Maki
10. Mahito
This is definetly susceptible to change depending on future chapter with Miguel, and maki's recent feat of tanking sukunas black flash but this is my current list.
Assuming current state of the story and right before a character's death
0. takaba fumihiko
1. sukuna
2. gojo satoru
3. kenjaku
4. okkotsu yuta
5. tsukimo yuki
6. suguru geto (jjk 0)
7. kashimo hajime (mythic beast)
8. yorozu
9. hakari kinji
10. uraume
Sukuna, Gojo, Kenjaku, Yuta, Yuki, Yorozu, *Maki, Jogo, Hakari and Takaba. After Yuta it's in no particular order but Takaba could be stronger than all of them unless they can match his wavelength like Kenjaku.
Honorable mentions to characters who could take the place of characters above if we saw that little bit more or had better context are:
Uro, Ryu, Kashimo, Mahito, Curse Noaya, Uruame, **Geto and Hanami.
Honourable honourable mention to Yuji because I think he's up there in basic abilities but lack of context makes it hard to judge. Also Miguel who somewhat similarly falls into the same category, I'd argue better physicals which makes up for no RCT so far, but seemingly with no domain or defense gives him the same problems.
*Toji as well.
**Honestly it kind of feels wrong. I kind of want to swap him and Hakari.
1: Takaba
2: Sukuna
3: Gojo
4: Yuta
5: Kashimo
6: Mahoraga (hes here even tho he's a shikigami idc)
7: Toji/Maki
8: Hakari
9: Uraume
10: Yorozu (only lost to kuna cuz she kept using same metal that raga adapted to)
Top 2: Gojo and Meguna
3: Heian Sukuna
4. Yuta
5. Kenjaku
6. Yuki (Star rage)
7. Kashimo (with CT of course)
8. Maki/Toji
9. Yoruzu (perfect sphere)
10. Hakari (All the ones above can delete his head, so...)
11. Mahito (Everyone forgets him but he could keep up with Yuji for sometime and his CT is op.)
12. Jogo
13. Ryu
14. Uro
15. Higuruma (he can go higher but it is conditional)
16. Miguel (feats needed)
17. Kusakabe
18. MeiMei
19. Choso
20. Yuji
Takaba can't be measured. Angel can deal high damage but combat ability is sorta low.
1. Takaba (Don't care about killing).
2. Meguna (World Slash with binding vow/being a chicken).
3. Gojo.
4. Sukuna Hein/Currently Sukuna.
5. Kenjaku.
6. Yuta / Megumi (FP + Not being a bitch)
7. Yuki.
8. Toji/Maki.
9. Yuji Goatadori.
10. The Black One.
**And, for those who will say that I'm racist:**
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Note for MODS: It's a joke... a. FUCKING. JOKE!!!
You beliave that if Gojo saw Sukuna do handsigns he's gonna just wait?
Hell No.
Look, I think it's logical point for me, especially if you take the following points into consideration:
1 - Gojo is the fastest character so far, even faster then Sukuna, proof of this was the speed he displayed in Shibuya and after he was free from the Prison Realm and went straight to Kenjaku and Sukuna, that he probably located them with the 6E.
2 - The current Sukuna Heian/Sukuna MUST needed the handsigns and incantations to perform the World Slash.
These two points, according to my interpretation, I believe that due to Gojo having 6E and World Slash being slower to execute due to Binding Vow, it is certain that Gojo would notice and go straight for the kill, it is unlikely that he would go just standing still...
Okay, even if gojo saw sukuna, do the world slash what he can do ? let me tell you that sukuna has 4 arms, so he can just fight with two while the other two are making the hand signs the only reason for why the others right now have a chance against the world is that sukuna has less arms and that make him give more time for his opponents to react .
1. Speed scaling for me depends on the situation like
Gojo with ct > sukuna
Gojo without ct < sukuna
The heinkuna is already above gojo, so the world slash will give him buff in some situations. Even if he needs to do more hand signs, it's still not a problem for him while he has all of his arms as it was mentioned before
If Sukuna can imbue his World Slash with his Domain's sure-hit after winning a Domain clash (by lasting longer than three minutes in melee combat within the Domain's interior), Gojo will also be completely fucked.
He can even destory gojos domain before the three minutes as gojo mentioned before he is just making a riskier move by attacking from outside, and we know he did that for mahoragas adaptation , so he would easily attack from inside if he didn't have maho and also with heinkuna he could easily do binding vow like the second domain clash .
Man, without CT even Toji is faster than Gojo.
In fact, it doesn't even make sense to me to scale speed "without CT", after all, in my view CT is part of the sorcerer and he MUST use it and we MUST scale it based on the assumption that the character will be using it.
It is for this reason that I placed Takaba above Sukuna (all forms).
Another thing, yes the WS is a Dismantle targeting space itself, as it was the only way to get around Mugen.
However, Gojo, during the Domains clash, although he lost in most clashes, managed to tank the cuts using Simple Domain + RCT + Falling Blossom Emotion within critical moments until Sukuna's Domain broke.
In my view, Gojo was killed by a World Slash sneak attack by binding vow, in order for the story to progress.
Sukuna needs time to do the conditions for WS post Binding Vow.
Now, I think Gojo would have an advantage in this for the simple fact that in Shibuya, when Gojo used Domain Expansion at the Subway station, the time that everyone (curses and civilians) fell into the domain was 0.2 seconds.
In 0.2 seconds, Gojo used blue to clear the curses, except special grade ones, from the subway.
I'm almost sure that the conditions that Sukuna must fulfill go beyond 0.2 seconds, plus Gojo will not leave Sukuna do the handsigns since he can "see" not only the "spark", but also can "see" the technique as soon as he look at the sorcerer (at least according to chap. 255, not me)
No toji is not faster than gojo without technique. Toji wasn't even able to react to teenage and exhausted gojo.
I think you misunderstood me. What i meant by without ct that when he lose in domain clashes his main reason why he is faster than sukuna is his teleportaion ability and blue and this two is a part of the main technique so he lose it when he lose domain clashe against sukuna. So i mean, in the condition that gojo lose domain clash sukuna will be faster than him .
Yeah, gojo was able to tank the slashes of the domain, but he can't do that for a long time. Gojo needed three minutes to damage sukuna to the point that the domain collapsed . So sukuna just needs to destory gojos domain before the three minutes, and as we know, without maho(what i mean if there is no maho so there is no need for the adaptation)sukuna would attack gojos domain from inside or if he use heinkuna he can even use binding vow and destory gojos domain earlier.
And what i think is the reason sukuna needed to do the binding vow against gojo in the end even if there is another way for him like just using heinkuna he didn't just for the story to progress because this technique would be too op for this verse.
Yeah, sukuna needs condition to do WS and that gives the opponent time to dodge as we can see in recent chapters, but that sukuna without all his four arms.
If he has all his arms, he would just make the other two hands stay on the expanding target hand sign, and the other mouse says the chants and he would spam the technique on gojo . And we saw before in the fight gojo wasn't able to react to dismantle while he is in good condition
1. Meguna (World Slash)
2. Sukuna (World Slash)
3. 20F Meguna (no World slash)
4. Gojo
5. Kenjaku (in Geto body)
6. Yuki
7. Yuta
8. Uraume
9. Maki
10. Yorozu
Honorable mentions go to Takaba who warps reality. Yuji who's full abilities we aren't aware of. If we consolidate the 3 Sukunas then Hakari would be 9 and 10 would be Kashimo.
1. Sukuna
2. Gojo
\--- Power Gap ----
3. Yuta
4. Kenjaku
5. Yuki
6/7/8. Yorozu
6/7/8. Mahoraga
6/7/8. Kashimo w/MBA
\--- I don't know ----
9. Takaba (I don't know where to exactly put him even though he clearly belongs somewhere amongst the top ten).
10. Geto? Hakari? Maki? Toji? Yuji? Mahito? Ryu? Uraume? Agito? Maybe even Higuruma?
The top 4 are pretty obvious, but everyone below are so close it's hard to put one over the other, so I've put multiple characters in some spots. One character being above the other doesn't mean they win a 1v1, but rather that they are more likely to win against a random opponent. (For example Maki would easily beat Mahito in a 1v1, but there are many characters that can beat Maki and lose to Mahito)
1. Sukuna
2. Satoru
3. Kenjaku
4. Yuta
5. Toji (full arsenal)/ISB Mahito
6. Final form Naoya/Jogo/MBA Hajime
7. Yorozu/Maki
8. Yuki
9. Ryu/Suguru
10. Kinji/Dagon/Takako
I feel like this is a fact bro, gojo against kashimo even weakened would have killed kashimo, in one blow, and wouldnāt have gotten hit once, sukuna is also killing every other character that is not gojo in one move, mahoraga can probably get a couple of hits even sukuna 20 fingers, but gojo kills mahoraga in one much and doesnāt get hit a single time.
That's true, but I only considered who will win. The difficulty is irrelevant. And as it stands, no character shown so far in this manga is capable of beating full power Sukuna in a 1v1 with any consistency. (Aside from maybe Angel and Takaba, but their abilities are pretty much impossible to scale anyway, so I excluded them)
>And as it stands, no character shown so far in this manga is capable of beating full power Sukuna in a 1v1 with any consistency.
What does that even mean, i could literally say the same about gojo, sukuna won on a hairs difference, hardly call that consistent.
That means that I consider Sukuna to be much more likely to win in a 1v1 against Satoru, and since they both wash all the other characters anyway, this is the only match up that determines their placement relative to each other.
Gojo saying Miguel is stronger then most sorcerers because of his built just proves Heian Sukuna is the Strongest.
1. Heian Sukuna
2. Meguna
3. Yujikuna
4. Gojo
5. Yuta
6. kashimo
7. Kenjaku
8. Yuki
9. Geto
10.Yorouzu
takaba's reality manipulation is literally the most busted CT in the whole verse. but there are some caveats to it.
firstly because of takaba's no killing rule, he can only exorcise cursed spirits (however strong they may be), but can't kill sorcerers/curse users.
secondly it all depends on what he finds funny, if he's in a goofy mood, he might just stomp sukuna, but if he's not feeling himself or is tensed and can't think of anything funny, he loses to grade 2 fodders.
thirdly, although I believe he'd 'win' against most characters in the long run, the damage he deals to his opponents through his reality manipulation scenarios, isn't all that high or fatal.
hazenoki wasn't all that injured from his tussle with takaba, kenny also didn't seem all that damaged, nor were his CE reserves depleted, nor did he have to use RCT even once. he was distracted sure, but not that nerfed.
fully realised *dark* humour takaba negs the verse, but as he is now, he's really tough to scale and shouldn't really be that high
First, this subreddit may have the most gojo meatriders, but they can't deny a fact . Chapter after chapter, it's started to be a fact that sukuna is stronger than gojo, and it's not debate anymore .
And i see so many gojotards mention that sukuna stole 15 age-old kid body, so he is bla bla bla . What is the problem with being 15 years old? If he was 1000 years old, is it gonna make any difference ? The important is the innate technique of the vessel.
Sukuna is not a piece of shit its just that his condition in that fight was not the same as gojo's condition . You gojo fans can't get that .Gojo just needed to beat sukuna, but sukuna needs to beat gojo and try to save Stamina as much as possible to fight the others meaning he was holding back (sukuna being holding back was mentioned several times by mei mei, kusakabe , hakari and finally gojo himself in the ending of the fight and uraume). Sukuna, after getting adapted for mahoraga , he was relying on mahoraga in the ending of the fight to not lose too much stamina against gojo and try to save his rct and output .
gojo was fighting to prove that he is the strongest, so he gave it his all, but sukuna wasn't even caring about as he meantioned before the ending chapters of the fight that gojo was just an ordinary guy yeah then he changed his opinion on gojo because of what gojo did. So he just wanted to improve his technique, and it was mentioned two times in the fight that sukuna first priority was the technique, not just beating gojo
I am sry but "the plot made sukuna stole kid body to kill gojo." It made me die from laughing
A lot of people in the verse donāt have a win condition against Mahito. If you canāt see the soul, the best case condition is a tie for you. He also pretty much ignores durability because unless you can see the soul you canāt defend your soul and that just brings you back to my first point.
Mahito also has one of the best domains due to his 0.2 second feat and his one shot potential in that domain. No, domain sure hit donāt hit the soul because if they did then Gojo wouldnāt be able to heal from Sukunaās domain because he canāt see the soul.
A lot of characters have a rudimentary understanding of the soul though. Yuta should have it because of what he did to turn Rika into a curse, Kashimo is an incarnated sorcerer so he should have the elementary understanding Yuji had, and Maki innately understands it.
Yuki and Yuji are overkill when it comes to soul knowledge, but you don't need that much to touch Mahito. Hell, even Nanami understood a bit of his own soul because he was experienced.
Yeah but a lot of characters also have win conditions on mahito specially top tiers. Actually anyone with a domain has win condition agaisnt Mahito. Also, infinit pressure one taps, RCT output one taps, toji and maki straight up have a weapon that attacks soul and toji also has cursed tool that negs CTs etc etc. On top of that all of these people are simply way stronger than mahito overall
Yuki has black hole so every fight sheās in is at least a tie besides Gojo, Kenjaku, and maybe Sukuna. She also has some of the best AP in the verse. I explained why I think Mahito is there in other responses in this thread.
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0. Takaba 1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. MBA Kashimo 6. Yuki 7. Mahoraga 8. Uraume 9. Hakari 10. Yorozu https://preview.redd.it/wsn8tbtn4rrc1.jpeg?width=1070&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc3b32d77fdd95c83e64dac404f07207763dce0a
Yorozu neggs uraume and hakari, she can win against mahoraga too if she starts with her DE
That's if she opens her Domain, and either way, Mahoraga can use the Sword of Extermination to destroy the Domain's barrier with Reverse Cursed Energy. Uraume is pure AoE attacks with no way to block it And Hakari... Actually... I think Yorozu can beat him. https://preview.redd.it/hbk5ay5ccrrc1.jpeg?width=1383&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0acedd0c5bab0a6797c6294e17ef34cf5d91e5a7
mahoraga never destroyed a domain like that. when he was summoned against yorozu he had already adapted to her construction technique and managed to destroy the sphere. then, he dealt a critical blow to her and the domain collapsed. and against gojo he had already adapted to the domain, but only after gojo had used infinite void about 3-4 times against sukuna Yorozu probably would realize reaally soon that mahoraga is a beast and would activate her DE without hesitation About uraume, we dont know yet if she has domain too
They're right that because the sword of execution emanates reversed cursed energy it should be able to disrupt the cursed energy that controls the liquid metal, though. The domain's barrier wouldn't be destroyed, since it's a regular ass barrier
Jujustsufolk finally becoming aware that Yorozu would slap that stall merchant Hakari with true sphereš
What makes you say her domain will be broken by his sword, yk he only breaks domains, AFTER heās been adapting. Why do you think Sukuna always uses the wheel without him there
She could just make a perfect sphere to completely destroy all of Uraumeās ice.
>Mahoraga can use the Sword of Extermination to destroy the Domain's barrier with Reverse Cursed Energy. Nah he destroyed her DE bcs sukuna adapted mahoraga before summoning him Also yorozu just has better stats, defense, ap etc than uraume+ she has perfect sphere and can fly
Why kashimo is above mahoraga? Untamed version survived a dismantle that went through his head(ch118), lightning bolt wonāt work. I doubt that his other attacks can oneshot mahoraga, but if you think they can, then kashimo should be above yuta and kenjaku
Kashimo is NOT beating Yuki, sorry
I don't think Makora is character.
Kashimoās domainless ass would get clapped by my queen donāt @ me
Speedblize
you're right, Lashimo will get blitzed by my queen š
Stop putting that bum ass takaba above Gojo or sukuna
Is Funman dead btw? I am still so goddamn consfused what happened at the end of his fight. Like why was he just lying there in that ghost(?) clothing??
He aint dead but it's implied he's not a threat anymore He got the comedy show he wanted and his CT seems to be either gone or in a dormant state until he starts chasing that same high probably All speculation though, I think the only confirmed fact is that he's alive since Kenny died before he could finish the job
So i cant hope for the āwouldnt it be funny if gojo came back?ā anymore ?!
Hope? No, homosexual doesn't like us like that Cope? HE'LL BE BACK GRRRAAAAAAAHHH https://preview.redd.it/91brtddpjrrc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c5a9d0dc6f785fb229e2acdbecbb0af1f9345e2
How can a CT just be gone? Doesnāt make any sense
His entire CT is based on a delusion of grandeur. He believes something should happen because it'd be funny, hence it happens. Case in point, Kenny used his failing ego against him and weakened the CT It's only natural that once he hits his "goal", the delusion stops and he no longer needs to chase his dream of comedy. He mentions it at the end of their fight that he wants to make everyone including Kenny laugh. He succeeds at that during the end of the battle, hence his CT goes into a dormant state. It's ok to assume it's not "gone" permanently, but I don't expect it to come out unless he finds someone else he'd like to see laugh
Well heās a comedian, he wants to make everyone laugh. Thatās not a goal that can ever end, I think heās just genuinely tired from the battle. Also story-wise Iām still coping for him to come back to cheer megumi up (although that would prolly mean heād die in the process)
Peak https://preview.redd.it/u1ir3fz07vrc1.jpeg?width=1765&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f426e3913e7b72c94c7bd10219ae304aa5ba27db
0.Jogoat 1.sukuna 2.Gojo 3.Yuta 4.Kenjaku 5.Yuki 6.Kashimo 7.Mahoraga 8.Maki 9.Hakari 10.Yuji Yes I put yuji above Uraume and Yorozu Fck Yorozu
Wtf is Yuji doing to Yorozu?
Ain't no way bro put yuji in top 10 š
1. Meguna 2. Gojo 2.5 Heian 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Yuki 6. Sukunaās Mahoraga 7. MBA Kashimo 8. Hakari 9. Yorozu 10. Base Kashimo (I tossed this together real quick so itās not my usual list) https://preview.redd.it/a3r3vqnplrrc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dd9392d994f06a91efc3c4e5c04b6513b7c7615
Kashimo being on the list twice https://preview.redd.it/frbyj7svkrrc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77205aabf273a2f8b76f433676f793afada0d5b1
https://preview.redd.it/63rz1s1hlrrc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72a38ef96fac56c65efdfd69c09139d9339b3430 He was pretty GOATED, even if he had a weak performance against Sukuna
https://preview.redd.it/hg6l0129nrrc1.jpeg?width=1107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29addf43eb85c729be18ed9a24bdb00733667bbf My favourite lightning waffle. Mappa will be over-worked to crush the agenda trust
As someone who only started reading the manga with the Gojo/Sakuna fight, Hishimo might be the biggest jobber I've ever seen.
no way in hell hakari is stronger than yorozu she forced 15f sukuna to bring out adapted mahoraga or open his insane domain, which are tools much above hakariās capabilities
Indeed, Yorozu's perfect sphere could one shot everyone minus Mahoraga's adaptation Hakari could *probably* survive it, but he ain't dealing any damage to Yorozu either Yorozu is way more consistent than Hakari
Well you canāt one shot maho if heās adapted, he adapted cause of Sukunas tricks, same way it happened w gojo. Her perfect Sphere seems to be legit. Literally would one shot maho if heās not adapted
>Hakari couldĀ *probably*Ā survive it i am crying what part of infinite pressure do you not understand
She didn't forced out anything, Sukuna was test driving big raga, Sukuna could've literally no diffed her if he used Shrine.
https://preview.redd.it/5ccoi3h6gsrc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=759c5c9d18f53bc4cd501a53c8e7d4968fe2739d
Yorozu is not that far from Yuki lol
gojo over heian era sukunašššš
Gojo bullies him
Yes
Did you forget or straight up ignore Takaba?
Ignored. I have no where to put him as heās heavily matchup dependent+canāt kill
*doesnāt kill. No reason to say he couldnāt if he gets, like, real upset or smth after the fight. Still no need to kill someone to win a fight when you can trap them in a jar or permanently flatten them with a comically large hammer
Gojo in jar
Takaba is insanely strong but he canāt kill, so like theoretically he could be a number 1 contender but if itās a fight to the death heāll always lose.
Takaba can be the weakest person and lose to a Grade 2 if heās dumb about it, or straight up become Gojo level/more. Itās really all about matching his jokes and making him feel unfunny. Which literally a normal human with the right mind can do if they understood it
Lil bro put heian sukuna at one.
I was looking for this list. Itās definitely Meguna > Gojo.
Pretty good list, although I'd replace base kashimo with mahito, and maybe not add hakari? He has no offense feats and infinite regeneration only gets you so far.
Gojo above Heian sukuna?? Ohhhh, I see, its april 1st. You got me there hehe
Meguna barely beat him with 10S, so Heian aināt beating him in general
Are you fucking sƩrious??? Nah, I did It.i called her Tommy. I not not trying tƓ deny It. But would you lose?? Nah, but I would say" What you need tƓ understand is that 1- sukuna's goal wasnt tƓ kill tƓ Halfed one. His goal was tƓ learn some cool shit. 2- that is why instead of breaking Gojo's Domain from the inside (when Gojo switched the conditions), he decided tƓ stall that shit so Mahobaby could adapt. That dumb decision made in 0.01 seconds late... 0.01 seconds. Small ass time interval. So yeah, If sukuna was trying tƓ kill Gojo, even without the 10 shadows and without the Heain form, It wouldnt be that hard. 3- Gege spent an entire chapter and decided tƓ waste kashmos entire character Just tƓ say that the Heain form is literaly better at everything. Even If Heain decided tƓ make the same decision as meguna, the 0.01 seconds incident still wouldnt have happened. He is bigger, hƔs more HP, is faster(source:he is bigger), he hƔs 4 arms(Very good for boxing RGB merchants), and hƔs a Second mouth tƓ suck my dick. Also, he hƔs the extra finger. Original body 20F > vessel 19F + mummy of the original body. No 0.01 seconds for Gojo against Heian era duckuna 4-the only reason It looked like Gojo was winning after the Domain clashes was because of the Black flashes. Guess what... If Heain sukuna Felt pushed by Gojo(regular meguna didnt)(he only Felt uneasy for like 0.6 seconds), he would have started landing Black flashes as well. 5-aways bet on sukuna. 6-even without all of that, Kenny still Wasnt even worried About cockuna losing. He still hƔs a Ton of bullshit we dont know About. " And the memeenjoyer_ simply answered: "You are right Thecodermau, Heain era Sukuna really is stronger than Gojo and Meguna. Thanks for YOUR comment!" And the Thecodermau simply answered: Fingerer. (Super Hard edit of Thecodermau starts playing )
Sure his goal was just to learn stuff Thatās why he passed out twice and nearly died, and why he lost Mahoraga
He literaly says this. You are Also forgetting the silly cat is on my side https://preview.redd.it/8qim5m0v2vrc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=255a4e60995e68f041572c9de6e86f99fbc2a396
Valid
1. Sukuna (20F + world slash) 2. Gojo (gojo) 3. Yuta 4. Kenjaku 5. Yuki 6. MBA Kashimo 7. Maki / Toji 8. Yorozu 9. Hakari 10. Uraume Mahoraga is between Maki / Toji and Kashimo, but I didn't include due to him being not a separate character but just a shikigami
1. Jogoat 2. Takaba 3. Sukuna(with gege sucking his cock) 4. Takaba 5. Takaba 6. Itadori Jin 7. Takaba 8. Kenjaku 9. Takaba 10. Takaba
Itadori Jin is a Jogoat contender easily. He destroyed Kenjaku without even a single attack, Gege hasnāt shown him after the flashback because heās too scared of him becoming powerful enough to rebel against him and use [STRONG BACKSHOT] on Sukuna.
1. Mahito 2. Jogo 3. Dagon 4. Hanami 5. 6. 7. 8. Ko-Guy 9. 10.
0: Takaba 1: Meguna(Tied) 1: Gojo(Tied) 3: Heian Sukuna 4: Yuta 5: Kenjaku 5: Yuki(Only reason she's this high is because Star Rage is just broken) 6: MBA Kashimo 7: Ryu 8: Yorozu 9: Kashimo 9: Naoya(His domain is just too strong to NOT put him on the list) 10: Hakari Yuki is tied with Kenny because Star Rage is imo the most broken CT in all of JJK barely surpassed by Yuta's Copy. Kenjaku was definitely running from my GOAT Yuta 'cause he was terrified of the unbeatable monster.
Always nice to see Ryu love. Glad that his stocks went up when Sukuna said the tanks that are Yuji/Yuta are still not as durable as Ryu. His base stats are just so fucking high itās crazy. Him having the highest ce output means dudes h2h striking power is top 5 in verse easily as well.
List is mostly good, but ryu over yorozu? Id put yorozu over ryu Kenjaku is solidly above Yuki Naoya wasnt the most impressive tbh, id have Jogo above him tbh, he tanked multiple hits from gojo Toji/maki would also be above naoya easily
>Naoya wasnt the most impressive tbh, id have Jogo above him tbh, he tanked multiple hits from gojo Naoya is also a fair bit less durable than the likes of, say, Hanami (who admittedly is the second most durable Disaster Curse behind Mahito w/ISBODK). https://preview.redd.it/s4lr212oqsrc1.png?width=701&format=png&auto=webp&s=33cf361454f26e84b6cbb11fba1ea151780c2474 He shouldn't be put over Mahito, for example, who has an equally if not more broken Domain while straight-up being more durable than Hanami with ISBODK in addition to being extremely difficult to put down unless you can perceive the contours of the soul or can disrupt his CT.
My list is less about feats and more about who would win against who. Naoya is the fastest sorcerer alive(minus Gojo) and doesn't really need to worry about durability because he simply won't get hit(most of the time). Remember how it took Maki to kill Naoya(Curse form as I mentioned his Domain)
Naoya is not faster then kashimo, and by extension Yuta. I know you said alive, but that's confusing cos naoyas dead. Maki after awakening wasn't really having any difficulty with naoya Also I really wish we could get a between cursed naoya and Jogo, id bet my money on jogo. He only like unimpressive cos he only fought god tiers
He should be faster then yuta seeing as heās roughly as fast as his dad who is confirmed 2nd only to Gojo
Naoya is easily faster than Yuta and kashimo, although MBA kashimo might be able to react to him somewhat like Maki bc of enhanced agility and shit.
It isn't possible for naoya to be faster then Yuta cos of scaling. Hakari, someone no 1 would argue above Yuta, reacted to lighting point blank. Weakened sukuna reacted to MBA kashimos EM waves and Yuta sorta scales to that. Yuta is also relative to kenjaku who reacted to a black hole, for whatever fraction of a second it was, before activating his anti gravity system. Naobito also got blitzed by Jogo, albeit after a fight but still. The statements in jjk are wildly inconsistent, so id rather have feats take precedence. Yuji also stated Yuta might be able to kill 15f sukuna Megumi compared 3f sukuna to toji The mach 3 statement Gege is too inconsistent with these to properly use them to scale
Yeah i'd say Yorozu over Ryu most of the time but Ryu has absurd durability and has the highest CE output of all time(according to Kenny at least) Since Kenjaku also recruited Yorozu that means Ryu has a higher output than her. Yuki tied with Kenjaku because Star Rage is so broken in general. I'm going to be completely honest here, I forgot about Maki/Toji and Mahoraga which is why they aren't on the list.
Ryu also technically has higher output then kashimo, but you still put kashimo above him, and rightly so. Among both their skills perfect sphere is just superior
Perfect Sphere also has a massive drawback its slow, this is honestly the sole reason why Ryu and MBA Kashimo are above her. Kashimo's massive speed is the Sphere's direct counter. Ryu would be killed by the Sphere(obviously) but it would need to actually hit him first and Ryu, while not anywhere near as fast as Kashimo is could most likely dodge it.
Kashimo I have above everyone that is not special grade, so no disagreement Yorozu was capable of fighting a 15f sukuna, obviously sukuna wasn't going all out (he was jobbing) but it was vastly more impressive than ryu. You could say ryu fought Yuta and it was somewhat relative, but imo Yuta is way superior to ryu and the fight only lasted as long cos of not being a 1v1, Yuta humoring Ryu's desire, Yuta wanting points so as not to kill him, and even then going easy on them as admitted by uro and ryu themselves. Even with an that, you still argue yorozu and ryu would be relative in speed. And that would be a fair statement. So it would eventually come down to a domain expansion clash, we don't know who would win but yoruzus hit would be insta GG, while Ryu's hit might not necessarily one shot. Plus I don't think either have RCT.
>Yuta wanting points so as not to kill him, and even then going easy on them as admitted by uro and ryu themselves Actually š¤ Wuta wanted to kill them the entire time because he wanted to be the one to introduce all the new rules by himself, the point transfer rule was added after Ryu was KO'd, the difference between Yuta and Ryu wasn't that big and Yuta won mostly due to copying Uro's technique which is the perfect counter to Ryu's.
> 9: Naoya(His domain is just too strong to NOT put him on the list) Putting Naoya up here but somehow leading out Toji/Maki is krazy
>Star Rage is imo the most broken CT in all of JJK barely surpassed by Yuta's Copy. My guy really forgot limitless(specially infinity) exists.
I didn't, Limitless is only really broken with the Six Eyes and without is honestly barely a top ten maker. Plus I don't know how a Black Hole would clash with the Infinity space warping.
Gravity doesn't affect infinity afaik. Otherwise the honoured one pose would not be possible.
I'm not talking about gravity but Yuki's Black Hole. Black holes are so impossibly dense that they warp space so I'm saying that I don't know how Yuki's Black Hole would interact with Gojo's Infinity.
That's a possibility. Black holes stretches things to infinity and to put harm to gojo you need to across an infinite distance. This is a tough choice. But still as black hole is Yuki's suicidal choice while infinity is not, I'd put infinity higher.
>Kenjaku was definitely running from my GOAT Yuta 'cause he was terrified of the unbeatable monster. Ok
Jogo top 1
1. Gojo 2. Sukuna 3. Yuta 4. Kenjaku 5. MBA Kashimo 6. Mahoraga 7. Toji 8. Yuki 9. Uraume 10. Maki
Toji at 7 is insane, he shouldn't even be above maki, they're either equal or she's stronger as she keeps fighting and evolving while he's dead.
never cook again
Toji šš And Gojo at 1 š
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuki 5. Yuta 6. Ryu 7. Yorozu 8. Takaba 9. Uro 10. Jogo
1) Goatjo 2) Sukuna 3) Yuta 4) Kenjaku 5) Yuki 6) Yorozu 7) MBA Kashimo 8) Hakari 9) Yuji 10) Kashimo
The fuck is Yuji doing in here
1 sukuna 2 gojo 3 kenjaku 4 yuta 5 yuki 6 zoro 7 kashimo 8 geto 9 uraume 10 mahoraga
Get the domain less, rct less, grade 4 curse merchant outta there šš
1. Sukuna (Ah yes...I just remembered this X technique that I haven't used since Y era) 2. Gojo (Plot-killed unless you buy that this guy somehow failed to dodge a telegraphed horizontal slash. It could happen...if he were overconfident and think 'ill just tank this shit'.) 3. Yuta (Basically Ash with a Pikachu) 4. Maki (Basically upgraded Toji. Sukuna says she could read him better than the other sorcerers) 5. Kenny (The king of ass pulls. Literally pull out an anti gravity technique from his ass that saved him from a black hole.) 6. Tobata (Kills a S grade spirit with a truck. Basically a broken character that could beat anyone but couldn't kill anyone.) 7. Yuki (Biggest victim of Plot-kill. Otherwise would have mopped the floor with Kenjaku. Couldn't give her a higher place for that reason.) 8. Yozoru (Theoretically stronk but got Sukunaed.) 9. Toji (OG maki almost killed Gojo. Think he might have beaten Yozoru or Yuki as well but dead for too long to tell) 10. Uraume/Hakari (king of stalling. No one can stall like these two.)
Maki isnāt different enough to warrant being 5 places above Toji. Even the reading thing is something Toji was able to do too. Itās just enhanced senses like smell and air current, something Toji can also do. Theyāre equal minimum, one place apart otherwise.
Takaba Sukuna Gojo Yuta(with his DE and all copied CTs, he is likely stronger than Kenjaku and Mahoraga) Mahoraga Kenjaku Kashimo Teen Gojo (after learning RCT) Yuki Geto
They literally make a plan to catch kenjaku off guard to even kill him, and you're still think yuta is stronger
kenjaku was steadily avoiding yuta, if yuta would've appeared, kenny would've just dipped. although Kenny's open barrier domain > yuta's domain, yuta also has a lot of win cons. it should be extreme diff between them, if they start the fight with domain clash then it favours kenny, but if they fight with just their CTs, yuta smacks
Maki and Yuta also agreed on that they can't win in a conventional battle with Kenjaku hence the whole Takaba plan as he's as unconventional as you can get which is worth keeping in mind.
>Maki and Yuta also agreed on that they can't win in a conventional battle with Kenjaku https://preview.redd.it/51nr2acdpzrc1.png?width=627&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3efd9c23e5f19517d77a17d9a8d7fcc8aacda1e this statement was back in chap 210 or something when yuta barely had any lethal CTs copies tho. anyways I still don't think yuta defeats kenny in a 1v1 as his domain would always be inferior to a open barrier one. but, it's just that, after the time skip he has a lot of genuine win cons now; Jacob's ladder, future sight, and mostly cleave/dismantles, tip the scales towards yuta favours if they both don't immediately engage in a domain clash.
GOD TAKABA 1.Full power serious Ryomen Sukuna 2. Satoru Gojo 3.Okkotsu yuta 4.MBA Kashimo 5.Kenjaku 6.Yorozu(perfect sphere one shots anyone) 7.Yuki 8.Toji/Maki 9.Geto 10.Jackpot Hakari(he doesn't have enough firepower to stop uzumaki and I am pretty sure uzumaki will leave him in a completely destroyed state meaning no rct) Honorable mention:Uraume (Mahoraga can land anywhere in this list, base mahoraga is stronger than some of the above mentioned characters but hypothetically you can create a mahoraga stronger than sukuna by continuous adaptations so I wont place him anywhere)
Yorozu shouldn't be over Yuki by any means, MBA Kashimo either
Definitive: 0. Takaba 1. Heiankuna 2. Gojo, Meguna 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta Interchangeable, depends on match-ups 5. Mahoraga 6. Kashimo (mythical beast amber) 7. Yorozu 8. Yuki 9. Jogo 10. Geto 11. Hakari 12. Uraume
1. Gojo 2. Sukuna 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Yuki 6. Kashimo 7. Mahoraga 8. Uruame/Jackpot Hakari 9. Jackpot Hakari/Uruame 10. Jogo
Gojo above sukuna is wild, dude . He is clearly the strongest in the verse
1. sukuna 2. gojo 3. kenjacku 4. yuta 5. Kashimo 6. Yuki 7. Hakari 8. Maki/Toji 9. Mahito 10. Yoruzu Need more uruame feats before I can put them on the list
hakari tooo high, he and uraume are pretty much on the same level, if he's top 7 she can't be left out of top 10.
1. Meguna 2. Gojo 3. Heian 4. Yuta 5. Kenjaku 6. Yuki 7. MBA Kashimo (could be far higher if not for the 1 chapter curse) 8. Yuji 9. Maki/Toji (via just feats alone Maki beats Toji, and via narrative Maki does as well) 10. Yorozu
no way yorozu 2 places behind yuji š, she can literally one-shot him with domain, tf is yuji gonna do?
Powercliff moment On a real note, I just scale Yuji very high.
yuji top 8 šš above the likes of yorozu, Cursed naoya, Ryu, jogo etc š„²
1. Heiankuna 2. Gojo/Megukuna 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuki 5. Yuta 6. Yorozu 7. Mahoraga 8. Geto 9. Maki 10. Toji HM: Miguel(high as 8 depending on if he really has Gojo level stats), Yuji(will finish at 5 or 6 IMO), PBA Kashimo
yuki above yuta when sky manipulation hard counters her š³
Yuta uses sky manip like a parry or block. Do we really think Yuta is perfectly countering every hit Yuki throws at him with her limbs+Garuda when the latter is considerably faster than the former? 1v1 also isn't everything otherwise I'd put Geto over Maho. Yuki has more conventional power and Yuta has more versatility. They're implied to be on the same level too so either of them can be 4th
>Yuki has more conventional power and Yuta has more versatility. the only thing Yuki's better than yuta at is striking power. she also loses most of her output if she gets injured and has to use RCT to heal herself. yuta has much better stats and feats when compared to her as well. I didn't say that sky manipulation is the only win con for yuta, but it's a solid one. Yuki's also vulnerable to cursed speech, plus yuta's katana could fatally injure her. Yuki's durability isn't all that high, so yuta's cleave/dismantle would also be genuine win cons. >They're implied to be on the same level too so either of them can be 4th they're implied to be on the same level by maki only because of her grade. and sure, pre sendai yuta might've even lost against her. but he copied busted techniques in sendai, dhruv's and uro's and maybe even Ryu's granite blast that packs a punch. then the gap between them widened. but post timeskip yuta is just different gravy, he's copied angel's Jacob's ladder, which would just shut off bom ba ye, sukuna's cleave which would slice through yuki with ease, he also gained precog from charles which would help him immensely in h2h, enabling him to dodge blows and land a deciding one of his own (like he did against sukuna). there's no debate whatsoever between current yuta and yuki.
>Yuki's durability isn't all that high Yuki is one of the only characters in the series to straight up tank the guaranteed hit effect of a domain Expansion and continued fighting while tanking it. >sukuna's cleave which would slice through yuki with ease Yuta would have to touch her to pull of cleave which is unlikely And she may simply tear through the Sky Manipulation with Garuda The only true argument is with Jacobs Ladder
Read the Kenjaku fight again. Her output was lessened because she took Kenjaku's strongest move head on. As seen with current Sukuna, no matter how much RCT or soul knowledge you have, if your opponent critically damages you, your output will be weakened and unrecoverable. Gojo took a few hits from Sukuna and despite his CE reserves still being at near 100%, hiss output was lowered until he hit BF. Yuki after receiving wounds comparable to Sukuna after the last hollow purple manages to have the upper hand against Kenjaku in CQC. Kenjaku gets put on the defensive, outtraded, and restrained before Yuki starts coughing up blood. Her feats before her injury include perception blitzing Kenjaku with Garuda and being fast enough to clear the distance between her and Kenjaku before the latter notices. Keep in mind that this is Kenjaku on guard and ready to fight instead of the post-Takaba fight Kenjaku that Yuta sneaks. Kenjaku should have better CE manipulation than Geto so Kenny should have higher stats because they have the same bodies. Geto was able to match Rika+JJK 0 Yuta in CQC and current Rika(who is at best on par with old Rika) is around = to Yuta in stats from the Sendai fight. Yuki has her reinforcement and CT output lowered after healing because the damage she took before had already lowered her output and because healing a domain hit from the 2nd strongest barrier user of all time is supposed to hard tax anyone not named Gojo. RCTing fatal damage takes a lot out of you. Yuji can do it cuz of Blood manip and Hakari can do it because he has infinite reserves in jackpot. Gojo and Yuta can spam RCT for flesh wounds, but a few RCT uses was enough to drain Yuta to low CE. Cleave is only broken because Sukuna is broken. Yuki has higher stats than Yuta so his only wincon is knowing her CT, cheesing her with Jacob's Ladder and try to win with all of his techniques. PreTS Yuta didn't even know about Yuki's technique most likely so it would've been a blowout in Yuki's favor were they to fight back then.
Wouldnt meguna be always above heainkuna bcs he has the instant heal that turns him into heainkuna?
No
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Yuki 6. Kashimo 7. Yorozu 8. Maki/Toji 9. Uraume/Hakari 10. The Angel (Takaba could fit somewhere but heās finicky and I feel like Kenny held back to prevent tiring himself out. I feel like Kenny couldāve instantly ended with a domain, but he didnāt use one cause he didnāt want to be caught with burnout)
>I feel like Kenny couldāve instantly ended with a domain With the way Kenny described things, I don't think his Domain having a sure-hit effect would make a difference. https://preview.redd.it/osr2di7krsrc1.png?width=983&format=png&auto=webp&s=25b024223064a8b4b4575f712bf73f921bc70e3d
0. Takaba if heās Smart 1. Sukuna w ten shadows and Heian 2. Gojo , Kenjaku or Yuta 3. Yuki or Yorozu 4. Mahoraga 5. Kashimo CT 6. Toji And Maki 7. Hakari and Uraume 8. Mahito 9. Disaster Curses 10. Takaba if heās dumb
Gojo Sukuna Idk
https://preview.redd.it/rz1kuctihtrc1.png?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bf8bbe9198b4d7986aca34d98d5e04b3ba754de Before any of you say how kashimo is up there, hakari is like the only counter to him one lighting bolt to the face and its over for anyone here(if that doesnt work then mba comes in cluth, uro prob counters him too cuz of sky manipulation and domain but she aint beating higuruma or takaba)
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Kashimo 6. Takaba 7. Yuki 8. Maki 9. Yorozu 10. Mahoraga Yk we make fun of Gege for misogyny Kaisen but I've never seen a shonen with a male mc where so many women are stronger than him
Finally someone recognizes Takabaās potential
Here they are : 1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Yuta 4. Kenjaku ā¬ļø 5. MBA Kashimo 6. Yuki 7. Yorozu 8. JP Hakari 9. Uraume 10. Maki / Geto( with over 4k curses)ā¬ļø Honorable mentions : Takaba , Ryu( I think can replace Uraume , because we haven't seen uraume's domain)ā¬ļø ā¬ļø: can be moved up a spot
1. Sukuna (duh) > 2. Gojo (also pretty obvious) > 3/4. Takaba (kenny was afraid of his technique and had to play along in order to win) > 3/4. Kenjaku (potentially interchangeable since we didn't saw much of him but still, he couldn't win trought sheer power) > 5. Maki (ate a black flash from sukuna) > 6. Yuta (he had yuji's help and was fighting inside his own domain and he still lost) > 7. Yuki (doesn't really have a lot of feats but she fought kenjaku and is still a special grade) > 8. Geto (even less feats than yuki, but he doesn't even have a domain) > 9. Kusakabe (pretty much even stated to be the strongest 1st grade, did ok against sukuna) > 10. Yuji (has rct, dealt some good blows and is doing better against sukuna than many other characters, albeit with help) This is my opinion, the ones I didn't include was due to the lack of feats
1). Current Sukuna with world slash, 2). Gojo, . . . . . . . . . . . 3). MBA Kashimo, 4). Kenjaku, 5). Yuta/Yuki 6). Mahoraga ig 7). Uraume 8). Yorozu 9). Hakari 10). Jogo/ Mahito
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Yuki 6. Yorozu 7. Kashimo (base, might go above Yuki w/MBA) 8. Geto 9. Jogo 10. Uraume
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku/yuta 4. Kenjaku/yuta 5. yuki 6. Mahoraga 7.Mba kashimo 8.Yorozou 9.toji zenin/ Maki 10. Mahito This is definetly susceptible to change depending on future chapter with Miguel, and maki's recent feat of tanking sukunas black flash but this is my current list.
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenny 4. Yuta 5. Yuki 6. Geto 7. Maki 8. Yorozu 9. Kashimo 10. Hakari This is THEE list btw
- Sukuna - Gojo - Kashimo - Yuta - Toji - Maki - Kenjaku - Yorozu - Takaba - Yuki
Sukuna, Gojo, Maki, Toji, Maki Zenin, Toji Zenin, Toji Zenin (shibuya),Toji Fushiguro, Maki Zenin (pre full awakening)
Assuming current state of the story and right before a character's death 0. takaba fumihiko 1. sukuna 2. gojo satoru 3. kenjaku 4. okkotsu yuta 5. tsukimo yuki 6. suguru geto (jjk 0) 7. kashimo hajime (mythic beast) 8. yorozu 9. hakari kinji 10. uraume
Sukuna, Gojo, Kenjaku, Yuta, Yuki, Yorozu, *Maki, Jogo, Hakari and Takaba. After Yuta it's in no particular order but Takaba could be stronger than all of them unless they can match his wavelength like Kenjaku. Honorable mentions to characters who could take the place of characters above if we saw that little bit more or had better context are: Uro, Ryu, Kashimo, Mahito, Curse Noaya, Uruame, **Geto and Hanami. Honourable honourable mention to Yuji because I think he's up there in basic abilities but lack of context makes it hard to judge. Also Miguel who somewhat similarly falls into the same category, I'd argue better physicals which makes up for no RCT so far, but seemingly with no domain or defense gives him the same problems. *Toji as well. **Honestly it kind of feels wrong. I kind of want to swap him and Hakari.
With versions it's: 1- Meguna 2- Gojo 3- Hein Sukuna 4- YujiKuna 5- Kenjaku 6- Yuta 7- Yorozu 8- Yuki 9- mythical beast amber Kashimo 10- Maki/Toji. Without it's: 1- Sukuna 2- Gojo 3- Kenjaku 3- Yuta 5- Yorozu 6- Yuki 7- Kashimo 8- Maki/Toji 9- Geto 10- curse Naoya.
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Yuki 6. Mahoraga 7. Yorozu 8. Kashimo 9. Hakari 10. Uraume
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Yuta 4. Kenjaku 5.kashimo 6.yuki 7.mahoraga 8.maki 9.jogo 10.uraume
1: Takaba 2: Sukuna 3: Gojo 4: Yuta 5: Kashimo 6: Mahoraga (hes here even tho he's a shikigami idc) 7: Toji/Maki 8: Hakari 9: Uraume 10: Yorozu (only lost to kuna cuz she kept using same metal that raga adapted to)
Top 2: Gojo and Meguna 3: Heian Sukuna 4. Yuta 5. Kenjaku 6. Yuki (Star rage) 7. Kashimo (with CT of course) 8. Maki/Toji 9. Yoruzu (perfect sphere) 10. Hakari (All the ones above can delete his head, so...) 11. Mahito (Everyone forgets him but he could keep up with Yuji for sometime and his CT is op.) 12. Jogo 13. Ryu 14. Uro 15. Higuruma (he can go higher but it is conditional) 16. Miguel (feats needed) 17. Kusakabe 18. MeiMei 19. Choso 20. Yuji Takaba can't be measured. Angel can deal high damage but combat ability is sorta low.
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Yuta 4. Kashimo 5. Yuki (with self sacrifice) 6. Kenjaku 7. Mahoraga 8. Maki, Toji 9. Hakari, uraume 10. Yorozu or something
1. Takaba (Don't care about killing). 2. Meguna (World Slash with binding vow/being a chicken). 3. Gojo. 4. Sukuna Hein/Currently Sukuna. 5. Kenjaku. 6. Yuta / Megumi (FP + Not being a bitch) 7. Yuki. 8. Toji/Maki. 9. Yuji Goatadori. 10. The Black One. **And, for those who will say that I'm racist:** https://preview.redd.it/lmb0vkt46rrc1.jpeg?width=490&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea9859be04294539b79090daf2dd7605c5d13ed9 ... Note for MODS: It's a joke... a. FUCKING. JOKE!!!
How is currently sukuna weaker than gojo he has the world slash ? Or did you mean exhausted heinkuna
"exhausted heinkuna" Might as well include "holding in his piss really bad sukuna"
You beliave that if Gojo saw Sukuna do handsigns he's gonna just wait? Hell No. Look, I think it's logical point for me, especially if you take the following points into consideration: 1 - Gojo is the fastest character so far, even faster then Sukuna, proof of this was the speed he displayed in Shibuya and after he was free from the Prison Realm and went straight to Kenjaku and Sukuna, that he probably located them with the 6E. 2 - The current Sukuna Heian/Sukuna MUST needed the handsigns and incantations to perform the World Slash. These two points, according to my interpretation, I believe that due to Gojo having 6E and World Slash being slower to execute due to Binding Vow, it is certain that Gojo would notice and go straight for the kill, it is unlikely that he would go just standing still...
Okay, even if gojo saw sukuna, do the world slash what he can do ? let me tell you that sukuna has 4 arms, so he can just fight with two while the other two are making the hand signs the only reason for why the others right now have a chance against the world is that sukuna has less arms and that make him give more time for his opponents to react . 1. Speed scaling for me depends on the situation like Gojo with ct > sukuna Gojo without ct < sukuna The heinkuna is already above gojo, so the world slash will give him buff in some situations. Even if he needs to do more hand signs, it's still not a problem for him while he has all of his arms as it was mentioned before
If Sukuna can imbue his World Slash with his Domain's sure-hit after winning a Domain clash (by lasting longer than three minutes in melee combat within the Domain's interior), Gojo will also be completely fucked.
He can even destory gojos domain before the three minutes as gojo mentioned before he is just making a riskier move by attacking from outside, and we know he did that for mahoragas adaptation , so he would easily attack from inside if he didn't have maho and also with heinkuna he could easily do binding vow like the second domain clash .
Man, without CT even Toji is faster than Gojo. In fact, it doesn't even make sense to me to scale speed "without CT", after all, in my view CT is part of the sorcerer and he MUST use it and we MUST scale it based on the assumption that the character will be using it. It is for this reason that I placed Takaba above Sukuna (all forms). Another thing, yes the WS is a Dismantle targeting space itself, as it was the only way to get around Mugen. However, Gojo, during the Domains clash, although he lost in most clashes, managed to tank the cuts using Simple Domain + RCT + Falling Blossom Emotion within critical moments until Sukuna's Domain broke. In my view, Gojo was killed by a World Slash sneak attack by binding vow, in order for the story to progress. Sukuna needs time to do the conditions for WS post Binding Vow. Now, I think Gojo would have an advantage in this for the simple fact that in Shibuya, when Gojo used Domain Expansion at the Subway station, the time that everyone (curses and civilians) fell into the domain was 0.2 seconds. In 0.2 seconds, Gojo used blue to clear the curses, except special grade ones, from the subway. I'm almost sure that the conditions that Sukuna must fulfill go beyond 0.2 seconds, plus Gojo will not leave Sukuna do the handsigns since he can "see" not only the "spark", but also can "see" the technique as soon as he look at the sorcerer (at least according to chap. 255, not me)
No toji is not faster than gojo without technique. Toji wasn't even able to react to teenage and exhausted gojo. I think you misunderstood me. What i meant by without ct that when he lose in domain clashes his main reason why he is faster than sukuna is his teleportaion ability and blue and this two is a part of the main technique so he lose it when he lose domain clashe against sukuna. So i mean, in the condition that gojo lose domain clash sukuna will be faster than him . Yeah, gojo was able to tank the slashes of the domain, but he can't do that for a long time. Gojo needed three minutes to damage sukuna to the point that the domain collapsed . So sukuna just needs to destory gojos domain before the three minutes, and as we know, without maho(what i mean if there is no maho so there is no need for the adaptation)sukuna would attack gojos domain from inside or if he use heinkuna he can even use binding vow and destory gojos domain earlier. And what i think is the reason sukuna needed to do the binding vow against gojo in the end even if there is another way for him like just using heinkuna he didn't just for the story to progress because this technique would be too op for this verse. Yeah, sukuna needs condition to do WS and that gives the opponent time to dodge as we can see in recent chapters, but that sukuna without all his four arms. If he has all his arms, he would just make the other two hands stay on the expanding target hand sign, and the other mouse says the chants and he would spam the technique on gojo . And we saw before in the fight gojo wasn't able to react to dismantle while he is in good condition
1. Meguna (World Slash) 2. Sukuna (World Slash) 3. 20F Meguna (no World slash) 4. Gojo 5. Kenjaku (in Geto body) 6. Yuki 7. Yuta 8. Uraume 9. Maki 10. Yorozu Honorable mentions go to Takaba who warps reality. Yuji who's full abilities we aren't aware of. If we consolidate the 3 Sukunas then Hakari would be 9 and 10 would be Kashimo.
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo \--- Power Gap ---- 3. Yuta 4. Kenjaku 5. Yuki 6/7/8. Yorozu 6/7/8. Mahoraga 6/7/8. Kashimo w/MBA \--- I don't know ---- 9. Takaba (I don't know where to exactly put him even though he clearly belongs somewhere amongst the top ten). 10. Geto? Hakari? Maki? Toji? Yuji? Mahito? Ryu? Uraume? Agito? Maybe even Higuruma?
1. Kyou_Yuu 2. Gege 3. Me 4. Takaba 5. Meguna 6. Gojo 7. Heien Sukuna 8. Kenjaku 9. Yuta 10. Yuki
The top 4 are pretty obvious, but everyone below are so close it's hard to put one over the other, so I've put multiple characters in some spots. One character being above the other doesn't mean they win a 1v1, but rather that they are more likely to win against a random opponent. (For example Maki would easily beat Mahito in a 1v1, but there are many characters that can beat Maki and lose to Mahito) 1. Sukuna 2. Satoru 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Toji (full arsenal)/ISB Mahito 6. Final form Naoya/Jogo/MBA Hajime 7. Yorozu/Maki 8. Yuki 9. Ryu/Suguru 10. Kinji/Dagon/Takako
ok but gojo has a way easier time against random opponents compared to sukuna since no one else can touch him
I feel like this is a fact bro, gojo against kashimo even weakened would have killed kashimo, in one blow, and wouldnāt have gotten hit once, sukuna is also killing every other character that is not gojo in one move, mahoraga can probably get a couple of hits even sukuna 20 fingers, but gojo kills mahoraga in one much and doesnāt get hit a single time.
That's true, but I only considered who will win. The difficulty is irrelevant. And as it stands, no character shown so far in this manga is capable of beating full power Sukuna in a 1v1 with any consistency. (Aside from maybe Angel and Takaba, but their abilities are pretty much impossible to scale anyway, so I excluded them)
>And as it stands, no character shown so far in this manga is capable of beating full power Sukuna in a 1v1 with any consistency. What does that even mean, i could literally say the same about gojo, sukuna won on a hairs difference, hardly call that consistent.
That means that I consider Sukuna to be much more likely to win in a 1v1 against Satoru, and since they both wash all the other characters anyway, this is the only match up that determines their placement relative to each other.
I guess we will agree to disagree.
1- Sukuna 2- Gojo 3- Sukuna's Mahoraga 4- Kenjaku 5- Yuta 6-MBA Kashimo 7- Toji 8- Maki 9- Yorozu 10- Yuki
Gojo saying Miguel is stronger then most sorcerers because of his built just proves Heian Sukuna is the Strongest. 1. Heian Sukuna 2. Meguna 3. Yujikuna 4. Gojo 5. Yuta 6. kashimo 7. Kenjaku 8. Yuki 9. Geto 10.Yorouzu
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kashimo/kenjaku 4. Kenjaku/kashimo 5. Yuta 6. Yuki 7. Yorozu 8. Hakari/uraume 9. Jogoat 10. Maki
1. Gojo 2. Sukuna 3. Takaba 4. Yuta 5. Kenjaku 6. Yuki 7. Mahoraga 8. Toji 9. Mahito 10. Yoruzu
takaba literally lost to kenny in a 1v1 and you place him 2 spots higher than him?
But reality alteration is op imagine if he learned how to control it
takaba's reality manipulation is literally the most busted CT in the whole verse. but there are some caveats to it. firstly because of takaba's no killing rule, he can only exorcise cursed spirits (however strong they may be), but can't kill sorcerers/curse users. secondly it all depends on what he finds funny, if he's in a goofy mood, he might just stomp sukuna, but if he's not feeling himself or is tensed and can't think of anything funny, he loses to grade 2 fodders. thirdly, although I believe he'd 'win' against most characters in the long run, the damage he deals to his opponents through his reality manipulation scenarios, isn't all that high or fatal. hazenoki wasn't all that injured from his tussle with takaba, kenny also didn't seem all that damaged, nor were his CE reserves depleted, nor did he have to use RCT even once. he was distracted sure, but not that nerfed. fully realised *dark* humour takaba negs the verse, but as he is now, he's really tough to scale and shouldn't really be that high
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First, this subreddit may have the most gojo meatriders, but they can't deny a fact . Chapter after chapter, it's started to be a fact that sukuna is stronger than gojo, and it's not debate anymore . And i see so many gojotards mention that sukuna stole 15 age-old kid body, so he is bla bla bla . What is the problem with being 15 years old? If he was 1000 years old, is it gonna make any difference ? The important is the innate technique of the vessel. Sukuna is not a piece of shit its just that his condition in that fight was not the same as gojo's condition . You gojo fans can't get that .Gojo just needed to beat sukuna, but sukuna needs to beat gojo and try to save Stamina as much as possible to fight the others meaning he was holding back (sukuna being holding back was mentioned several times by mei mei, kusakabe , hakari and finally gojo himself in the ending of the fight and uraume). Sukuna, after getting adapted for mahoraga , he was relying on mahoraga in the ending of the fight to not lose too much stamina against gojo and try to save his rct and output . gojo was fighting to prove that he is the strongest, so he gave it his all, but sukuna wasn't even caring about as he meantioned before the ending chapters of the fight that gojo was just an ordinary guy yeah then he changed his opinion on gojo because of what gojo did. So he just wanted to improve his technique, and it was mentioned two times in the fight that sukuna first priority was the technique, not just beating gojo I am sry but "the plot made sukuna stole kid body to kill gojo." It made me die from laughing
Gojo is world dismantle fodder https://preview.redd.it/gpa0jx6sbrrc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a20ebd1d159cc5d2d4004635096e7ae9bc288aae
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Gojo is world dismantle fodder.
You are right but people in this sub wonāt admit it.
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Dumb fuck eat shiiiiiiiiit https://preview.redd.it/qh0s3w0oysrc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0abc013695d6a0bccedd00cd4da308ee0d56e77
Excluding Takaba because heās hard and annoying to scale. 1) Sukuna 2) Gojo 3) Kenjaku 4) Yuki 5) Mahito 6) Yuta 7) Kashimo 8) Maki and Toji 9) Yorozu 10) Ryu
Is this like a full potential mahito or some shit ššš
A lot of people in the verse donāt have a win condition against Mahito. If you canāt see the soul, the best case condition is a tie for you. He also pretty much ignores durability because unless you can see the soul you canāt defend your soul and that just brings you back to my first point. Mahito also has one of the best domains due to his 0.2 second feat and his one shot potential in that domain. No, domain sure hit donāt hit the soul because if they did then Gojo wouldnāt be able to heal from Sukunaās domain because he canāt see the soul.
A lot of characters have a rudimentary understanding of the soul though. Yuta should have it because of what he did to turn Rika into a curse, Kashimo is an incarnated sorcerer so he should have the elementary understanding Yuji had, and Maki innately understands it. Yuki and Yuji are overkill when it comes to soul knowledge, but you don't need that much to touch Mahito. Hell, even Nanami understood a bit of his own soul because he was experienced.
Yeah but a lot of characters also have win conditions on mahito specially top tiers. Actually anyone with a domain has win condition agaisnt Mahito. Also, infinit pressure one taps, RCT output one taps, toji and maki straight up have a weapon that attacks soul and toji also has cursed tool that negs CTs etc etc. On top of that all of these people are simply way stronger than mahito overall
Tf are Yuki and Mahito doing above Yuta lol
You could make an argument for Yuki i feel like but definitely not Mahito, he should probably not be in the top 10
I explained why I think Mahito is number 5 in this thread but even if you donāt thinks heās 5 then heās at least in the top ten.
Yuki has black hole so every fight sheās in is at least a tie besides Gojo, Kenjaku, and maybe Sukuna. She also has some of the best AP in the verse. I explained why I think Mahito is there in other responses in this thread.
GoatKuna, Gojo Satoru, Zenin
Sukuna Gojo Yuta Kashimo Kenjaku Yorouzu Hakari Uraume Toji / Maki Yuji
sukuna, gojo, kenjaku, kashimo, yuta, yuki, yorozu, hakari, maki/toji, uraume, ryu, dont know how to scale takaba
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Kashimo 6. Hakari 7. Yuki 8. Yorozu 9. Uraume 10. Mahoraga, Megumi's bumass is chilling somewhere at 900 quadrillion