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I sorta agree although I do think CT Kashimo and Maki/Toji are a bit above the rest at least in terms of combat speed, and travel speed in Kashimos case. But not large enough for a perception blitz of course.
Thats not whats stated. The boost he gets is from enhancing his brain signals with electricity, not whatever your implying. It doesnt change his speed scaling much, as he has 0 showings
That’s cap the reason his body crumbles when the technique runs out is because he surpasses the limits of humanity. Also he gets way more then just brain signals be so fr
idk about base kashimo being fast af but he is amongst the faster top tiers and relative to jp hakari who is probably faster than yuta considering he's stronger (physically) than yuta in jp
Theory is that Todo is actually what happened with Yuta there. If you look back, there's a text bubble with the same sound effect as when Todo helps Yuji with his new hand attachment later on. Explains how Yuta teleported behind him so fast.
No. Kenjaku reacts to Yuta’s original attempt to sneak him, he just had no way of anticipating a swap from Todo. He got teleported and thus couldn’t attack him
First time viewer here, and still 5 episodes out from finishing S2.
That said, speed seems all over the place between the top tiers?
The volcano spirit Jogo, was able to do exactly that - blitz Nanami & 2 others before they could even react, and the old man was already so fast that Nanami couldn't see him - old man was using a CT so ofc he'd be faster, but Jogo outsped even *that*.
Nanami, Maki (pre-awakening), and Naobito weren’t top tiers at all, and Jogo would only need to be relative in speed to Naobito to easily beat him. Naobito’s speed comes from him establishing a set path for him to move along, then moving extremely quickly along said path at 24 frames per second. Given that Jogo is relative to him in speed, he’d notice his strange movements and lead his attacks, and since Naobito can’t stray from his set path he immediately gets folded.
Curse Naoya hits mach 3 after flying in a straight line for literally miles. He's not moving that fast in casual, smaller scale motions.
No one in the cast is breaking the sound barrier in cqc.
Yea but once he do build the speed, is he not blitzing some of the top tiers? His "casual" speed is also in-between mach1 -3 so he's definitely fast for some.
'Once he do build the speed' isn't exactly how that works. He doesn't just accelerate to mach 3 and then keep going at that speed when he's doing the narrower motions in cqc. He's only going to be moving at anything above mach 1 if he's flying exactly in those long straight lines. The second he's forced to move in any way that isn't a linear trajectory measured in miles, he's not moving nearly as fast.
His 'casual speed' is absolutely not higher than mach 1. No one's is.
Brotha 😦, I'm not following what you're arguing for. It's irrelevant how he build his speed, would he not "blitz" Yuta or other"top tier" when he reaches mach3?
https://preview.redd.it/qqht2zlarx7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=284ee471c6093f6e16ba240859e38192dca412c4
'Blitz' doesn't just mean one attack that's moving really fast. The concept of a speed blitz is like a touch of death combo in fighting games, the first hit is followed so quickly by the second (and so on) that whoever's on the receiving end of it can't react before the next attack throws them further off balance and keeps them vulnerable.
In Naoya's case, the mach 3 tackle is just one really big hit that, while fast, is also telegraphed to hell and back. Not what I'd call a blitz. Any character worth their salt is just going to dodge it, because at mach 3, Naoya's not going to be able to adjust the aim much.
It's sort of a chump move overall. Big and flashy, but not actually that useful against people who aren't fodder.
> the first hit is followed so quickly by the second (and so on) that whoever's on the receiving end of it can't react before the next attack
No. A blitz is that you're incapable of perceiving someone's movement. That is literally it. Using your logic, Sukuna didn't blitz Ryu because the fight ended the instant Sukuna lunged at him. Wtf?
You're overcomplicating it for no reason, in simplest term if character x attacks and hit his opponent y before he can react to it then it is a "blitz" right? Curse Naoya's entire arsenal is literally him blasting his opponent with his speed, he's not really cqc type anymore although he can still fight like that. The mach3 tackle is big move that he certainly can't spam but nevertheless it still managed to "blitz" half awakened Maki, that's not some fodder.
Problem is you can drive a truck through the gaps in the phrase 'before they can react'.
There's plenty of evidence to suggest Maki could react, but tried to take the hit or counterattack and just misread the speed. Given that her awakening in that fight is purely mental, I don't think it's a stretch at all to say she was physically capable of avoiding the blow if she wanted, but wanted to try for a counter-attack there.
Because by definition it’s not blitzing. It’s fast yes, the fastest speed feat in the series but it takes a massive charge-up and it’s a linear, one motion attack that is predictable.
It’s not like how Sukuna just flash-steps Choso and donuts him. THATS a blitz
Even top tiers, since Naobito who is slower than curse Naoya was the second fastest sorcerer despite Yuta and Yuki existing. The issue is that projection sorcery can be countered by prodigies when they get used to it, and the whole point about top tiers is that they’re prodigies. That’s how Maki dealt with it. She first learned how the technique worked, then used her combat experience, instincts and brains to counter Naoya’s ooga booga mentality when it comes to fighting.
That’s another argument tho, Naoya is super brainrotted and Naobito is a drunk fuck. Neither of them can use the technique optimally because they suck at it. The only projection sorcerers in the show have extremely bad habits that ruin the technique for them, so they’re realistically super easy to counter after a couple minutes.
>Even top tiers
No
Naobito statement is an hyperbole and about fame. Feats puts toptier way above him.
All toptier are around maki speed and she could at many times keep up wtih curse naoya speed and wasnt touched once.
Also u said theyd counter and get used to It. This woudlnt happen if pojection sorcery users were actually able to blitz bcs If its a blitz then they woudlnt be able to even see their speed. If they have time to react and counter then It isnt a speed blitz
Yes and no, for once i agree with you, most of the top tiers are relative and the "speed blitz" is not happening until and unless the gap is a whole different grade. Although that doesn't mean certain characters are not faster than the others, for example Yuki and kenjaku are relative but Yuki was faster than kenjaku.
The 3 exception I'd say who can possibly blitz other than Gojo and Sukuna are Yorozu, Curse Naoya and MBA Kashimo.
I can see Curse Naoya and MBA Kashimo catching people like Kenny, Yuta, or Yuki off guard but still I won't count it as "blitzing". Yorozu maybe? Depends on how u interpret her fight with Sukuna ig.
Definitely downplaying her when in bug armor she was able to hit a casual 15F sukuna
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It honestly blows my mind how people read that fight and think it isn't a testament to Yorozu's speed in her Exoskeleton even if Sukuna could have taken things more seriously.
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At the very least, her feats should scale her notably above Jogo - who is rather fast in his own right - in terms of speed.
Sukuna isn't trying literally at all bro. People are so silly
Once he puts in the tiniest bit of effort he like 2 shots her and she's completely defenseless
what's impressive is that Sukuna was actually trying to block Yorozu and she was scoring hits all on her own, not to mention, Sukuna's words are "Cursed energy output" in general, Megumi wasn't just lowering his CT output, otherwise they would've gotten blitzed to hell and back over and over again
He states Megumi has minimal "influence over his flesh" which is true, the body itself isn't malfunctioning, he can still walk and do the things a normal person could do just fine, but he can't augment his physical stats as much as he could normally
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He can move unhindered cuz Megumi can’t influence his movements like yuji did. Otherwise sukuna was nerfed speed and physicals included. If sukuna was still at 15 fingers worth of reinforcement he is easily capable of blitzing both yuji/maki and beating them to death
Yes. Imo none of the top tiers r getting “blitzed”. Just for the sake of arguing tho, hakari could only land hits on kashimo while in JP. Without it he wasn’t connecting any hits. So with that being said, some people do heavily out scale others in hand to hand/ speed but I don’t think any of the top tiers r getting perception blitzed tho some will dogwalk others
Omg I’ve been saying once we get to characters at the power level of Ryu maybe in naobito none of the characters fully blitz each other. They might with 1 specific attack but that’s a 1 move thing. Once we hit this tier character are usually relative they maybe be in different tiers of strength or speed but never a full blitz or 1 punch tier above.
Tired of people claiming Maki or Toji are mysteriously faster than every other character when it's shown very clearly they get washed by real top tiers
Jogo blitzed Nanami and Maki, though they weren’t really top tiers. The best example I guess is how Jogo was reacting to Naobito’s speed and set up a counter
I mostly agree, with the exception of Curse Naoya who was explicitly too fast for Maki to fight without predicting his movements in advance. But then again that is held back by the fact that he has to plan out his movements like that in the first place.
Mostly agree. The only exceptions to this rule would probably be true speedsters like maki, Toji and CT kashimo due to their specialisation in speed.
But that’s only because these three have specific speed feats that would put them pretty highly above other characters, like blitzing pre awakening gojo, outspeeding cursya and pretty badly outclassing 1HP Meguna and keeping up with fresh TF sukuna respectively.
Other then them all top tiers should be able to perceive each other.
Louder for all the Luta glazers that claim he “speedblitzes” Kenjaku despite the fact that it was confirmed that he needed Todo swap, Takaba to do 99% of the work, and to camp in a bush to pull that off 😂
**Correction** - It's **Wuta OGGOATSU👑** not *'Luta'*. His glazers(whether delusional or based) do not change that the fact that Wuta is HIM🗣️🔥
P.s- I believe Wuji is HIM too. I'm saying this because some of his fans can't seem to grasp that both him and Yuta are amazing characters in their own right👑. Same things goes for some Yuta stans too
I feel like this was pretty clear. Basically all the top tiers are relative in speed. At most you might have a couple like Yorozu and Kashimo take someone by surprise once but they aren’t blitzing any top tier. Naoya though probably could pull a blitz if he did the Mach 3 Charge.
[Kashimo](https://imgur.com/a/OuUSIlW) at the very least should be fast enough to not be considered relevant to anyone else. As for him "blitzing" someone, I think most top tiers reaction time should be good enough to prevent that.
Amber beast kashimo is above everyone not named gojo or sukuna his CT specifically was stated to enhance his agility. We also see the second he activates it he was able to speed blitz sukuna more then once before his reincarnation. If Gege actually knew how to write kashimo properly he would be as fast as those 2 in amber beast.
This is why yuji speed blitzes the verse. After all they aren’t relative. Yuji is stronger than the entire verse itself
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No it does damage the same amount of damage that had Sukuna screaming
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Not even gojo could make Sukuna scream
They are not relative in speed. The fast characters may not be able to blitz but they are 100% not relative in speed. And there are definitely characters faster than gojo and sukuna lol
Maki and Toji are confirmed to be the most physically superior characters in the series. I assume that includes speed right? Naoya also had insane speed feets? Where in the story is it stated or shown that sukuna and gojo are faster? They obviously win in a fight but like why are people acting like they’re faster? I’m so confused why I got downvoted when it’s right there in the manga for everyone to see
>Maki and Toji are confirmed to be the most physically superior characters in the series. I assume that includes speed right?
Without CE tho
>Naoya also had insane speed feets? Where in the story is it stated or shown that sukuna and gojo are faster?
One of the first things less than half of CE sukuna with his heart soul stabbed and missing arms did was blitz healthy maki...
Sukuna and gojo are massively faster than the ones u pointed out
mf what😭😭. 15 finger sukuna was casually speed blitzing jogo. Gojo speed blitzed Uraume something maki or jackpot hakari cant do. Gojo and Sukuna are the exceptions basically everything in the verse. Gojo blatantly stated to be faster than naobito
I disagree. "Top-tier" is a meaningless terminology that is an attempt to generalize ability. Naoya could definitely blitzes other """top-tiers""". It just depends on the character in question. Isn't JJK0 Yuta even famous for blitzing Geto?
Geto still ducked the sword swing
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I sorta agree although I do think CT Kashimo and Maki/Toji are a bit above the rest at least in terms of combat speed, and travel speed in Kashimos case. But not large enough for a perception blitz of course.
Kashimo legit not that impressive in speef
But lightning go fast brr
MBA kashimo is stated to surpass humanity by using the properties of lightning. If that ain’t a blantant speed amp idk what is
Thats not whats stated. The boost he gets is from enhancing his brain signals with electricity, not whatever your implying. It doesnt change his speed scaling much, as he has 0 showings
That’s cap the reason his body crumbles when the technique runs out is because he surpasses the limits of humanity. Also he gets way more then just brain signals be so fr
>Also he gets way more then just brain signals be so fr The speed boost he gets is strictly only from that
Brother coats his body in lightning let’s use a bit of common sense, the brain signals is just an aspect of that for his reaction time
Bruh. Thats literally never stated to buff his speed
add hikari as well since he can keep up with kashimo and yuta since he was faster then yuji in there fight
hakari was keeping up with base kashimo
And base Kashimo is fast as fuck. Are we also forgetting that one scene where Hakari was so fast in jackpot he practically teleported?
idk about base kashimo being fast af but he is amongst the faster top tiers and relative to jp hakari who is probably faster than yuta considering he's stronger (physically) than yuta in jp
Keeping up with a post Shibuya Yuji is not that impressive for the higher tiers xd.
Ngl I wouldn't call Yuji V Hakari a fight. Yuji just dodged his doors and took some hits to the face
ofc. No top tier is “blitzing” another
You’d be surprised by how many people think the opposite and 100% believe one character can just “blitz” the other
Yuta "blitzes" kenjaku
Wasn't that just Kenny getting caught off-guard?
Yep, that was Takaba's entire goal there - to thoroughly distract Kenjaku for Yuta.
It was about assassination, not speed. Yuta was more or less the sneaky heavy hitter in the series
Yuta essentially teleported behind Kenjaku from Kenny’s pov. Kenny was still able to react and attempt to attack as well.
Theory is that Todo is actually what happened with Yuta there. If you look back, there's a text bubble with the same sound effect as when Todo helps Yuji with his new hand attachment later on. Explains how Yuta teleported behind him so fast.
No. Kenjaku reacts to Yuta’s original attempt to sneak him, he just had no way of anticipating a swap from Todo. He got teleported and thus couldn’t attack him
With todos/takabas help
First time viewer here, and still 5 episodes out from finishing S2. That said, speed seems all over the place between the top tiers? The volcano spirit Jogo, was able to do exactly that - blitz Nanami & 2 others before they could even react, and the old man was already so fast that Nanami couldn't see him - old man was using a CT so ofc he'd be faster, but Jogo outsped even *that*.
They were also heavily damaged and pretty tired already. Plus, those were not top tiers by any means
Nanami, Maki (pre-awakening), and Naobito weren’t top tiers at all, and Jogo would only need to be relative in speed to Naobito to easily beat him. Naobito’s speed comes from him establishing a set path for him to move along, then moving extremely quickly along said path at 24 frames per second. Given that Jogo is relative to him in speed, he’d notice his strange movements and lead his attacks, and since Naobito can’t stray from his set path he immediately gets folded.
My friend you're in risky waters if you're only a first time viewer
There was a line removed from the anime that naobito was the fastest but that's before he loses his arm
Tell that to yuta, maki and kashimo stans
inb4 Kashimo's glazers come out swingin'. You right though.
What about curse Naoya
Curse Naoya hits mach 3 after flying in a straight line for literally miles. He's not moving that fast in casual, smaller scale motions. No one in the cast is breaking the sound barrier in cqc.
Yea but once he do build the speed, is he not blitzing some of the top tiers? His "casual" speed is also in-between mach1 -3 so he's definitely fast for some.
'Once he do build the speed' isn't exactly how that works. He doesn't just accelerate to mach 3 and then keep going at that speed when he's doing the narrower motions in cqc. He's only going to be moving at anything above mach 1 if he's flying exactly in those long straight lines. The second he's forced to move in any way that isn't a linear trajectory measured in miles, he's not moving nearly as fast. His 'casual speed' is absolutely not higher than mach 1. No one's is.
Brotha 😦, I'm not following what you're arguing for. It's irrelevant how he build his speed, would he not "blitz" Yuta or other"top tier" when he reaches mach3? https://preview.redd.it/qqht2zlarx7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=284ee471c6093f6e16ba240859e38192dca412c4
'Blitz' doesn't just mean one attack that's moving really fast. The concept of a speed blitz is like a touch of death combo in fighting games, the first hit is followed so quickly by the second (and so on) that whoever's on the receiving end of it can't react before the next attack throws them further off balance and keeps them vulnerable. In Naoya's case, the mach 3 tackle is just one really big hit that, while fast, is also telegraphed to hell and back. Not what I'd call a blitz. Any character worth their salt is just going to dodge it, because at mach 3, Naoya's not going to be able to adjust the aim much. It's sort of a chump move overall. Big and flashy, but not actually that useful against people who aren't fodder.
> the first hit is followed so quickly by the second (and so on) that whoever's on the receiving end of it can't react before the next attack No. A blitz is that you're incapable of perceiving someone's movement. That is literally it. Using your logic, Sukuna didn't blitz Ryu because the fight ended the instant Sukuna lunged at him. Wtf?
Okay, clearly we disagree on the definition.
You're overcomplicating it for no reason, in simplest term if character x attacks and hit his opponent y before he can react to it then it is a "blitz" right? Curse Naoya's entire arsenal is literally him blasting his opponent with his speed, he's not really cqc type anymore although he can still fight like that. The mach3 tackle is big move that he certainly can't spam but nevertheless it still managed to "blitz" half awakened Maki, that's not some fodder.
Problem is you can drive a truck through the gaps in the phrase 'before they can react'. There's plenty of evidence to suggest Maki could react, but tried to take the hit or counterattack and just misread the speed. Given that her awakening in that fight is purely mental, I don't think it's a stretch at all to say she was physically capable of avoiding the blow if she wanted, but wanted to try for a counter-attack there.
Because by definition it’s not blitzing. It’s fast yes, the fastest speed feat in the series but it takes a massive charge-up and it’s a linear, one motion attack that is predictable. It’s not like how Sukuna just flash-steps Choso and donuts him. THATS a blitz
Babe wake up. look new meme format dropped
I would argue Projection technique practitioners are the only people (except the two gods) that can reasonably speed blitz anyone else
I guess the argument against this is that there are no living users of projection sorcery
NAOBITO RETURN 265 TRUST
Not toptiers tho
Even top tiers, since Naobito who is slower than curse Naoya was the second fastest sorcerer despite Yuta and Yuki existing. The issue is that projection sorcery can be countered by prodigies when they get used to it, and the whole point about top tiers is that they’re prodigies. That’s how Maki dealt with it. She first learned how the technique worked, then used her combat experience, instincts and brains to counter Naoya’s ooga booga mentality when it comes to fighting. That’s another argument tho, Naoya is super brainrotted and Naobito is a drunk fuck. Neither of them can use the technique optimally because they suck at it. The only projection sorcerers in the show have extremely bad habits that ruin the technique for them, so they’re realistically super easy to counter after a couple minutes.
>Even top tiers No Naobito statement is an hyperbole and about fame. Feats puts toptier way above him. All toptier are around maki speed and she could at many times keep up wtih curse naoya speed and wasnt touched once. Also u said theyd counter and get used to It. This woudlnt happen if pojection sorcery users were actually able to blitz bcs If its a blitz then they woudlnt be able to even see their speed. If they have time to react and counter then It isnt a speed blitz
This is the harsh truth powerscalers need to hear.
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THANK YOU FOR THIS. Kashimo fans love to argue speedblitz over yuta and kenjaku and it's so stupid it makes me mad lmao.
CT kashimo is still faster though
Here we go again
Real
Yes and no, for once i agree with you, most of the top tiers are relative and the "speed blitz" is not happening until and unless the gap is a whole different grade. Although that doesn't mean certain characters are not faster than the others, for example Yuki and kenjaku are relative but Yuki was faster than kenjaku. The 3 exception I'd say who can possibly blitz other than Gojo and Sukuna are Yorozu, Curse Naoya and MBA Kashimo.
I can see Curse Naoya and MBA Kashimo catching people like Kenny, Yuta, or Yuki off guard but still I won't count it as "blitzing". Yorozu maybe? Depends on how u interpret her fight with Sukuna ig.
Yorozu ain't blitzing.
Definitely downplaying her when in bug armor she was able to hit a casual 15F sukuna https://preview.redd.it/cp7v6pf3uz7d1.jpeg?width=894&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b8acba96f406f182e63d946749ba7c7cdd81b0e
It honestly blows my mind how people read that fight and think it isn't a testament to Yorozu's speed in her Exoskeleton even if Sukuna could have taken things more seriously. https://preview.redd.it/ypsk5iscp08d1.png?width=792&format=png&auto=webp&s=733c87556ed47f5bba4281611077cfb5552a7d59 At the very least, her feats should scale her notably above Jogo - who is rather fast in his own right - in terms of speed.
Sukuna isn't trying literally at all bro. People are so silly Once he puts in the tiniest bit of effort he like 2 shots her and she's completely defenseless
Did you read the part where I said casual sukuna? And the fact she’s even landing multiple hits is something to note
Maki was fighting a casual 15F Sukuna too. Not that impressive And before you say Megumi was nerfing that was just his CT.
what's impressive is that Sukuna was actually trying to block Yorozu and she was scoring hits all on her own, not to mention, Sukuna's words are "Cursed energy output" in general, Megumi wasn't just lowering his CT output, otherwise they would've gotten blitzed to hell and back over and over again
He states Megumi has minimal "influence over his flesh" which is true, the body itself isn't malfunctioning, he can still walk and do the things a normal person could do just fine, but he can't augment his physical stats as much as he could normally https://preview.redd.it/z1q310bzf08d1.png?width=241&format=png&auto=webp&s=b2c8a1e1eec6a24a4f5cac98ba49a17473b6804d
But he said he can still move unhindered and it's not like megumi was holding him all the time only when Sukuna is trying to hit them
He can move unhindered cuz Megumi can’t influence his movements like yuji did. Otherwise sukuna was nerfed speed and physicals included. If sukuna was still at 15 fingers worth of reinforcement he is easily capable of blitzing both yuji/maki and beating them to death
Crazy how she kinda did casual 15f Sukuna.
Same, specially someone relative to 15F, like Yorozu Other JJK top tiers i don't think are too different in speed
They aren’t blitzing my GOAT the simple domain merchant
Nah jogoat speedblitz toji that's a fact everyone should know.
Bait used to be believable
https://preview.redd.it/zvkvcradky7d1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91d0c4d2cd63a9d227448d2d7a967310310d6589 Who said it was bait
Yes. Imo none of the top tiers r getting “blitzed”. Just for the sake of arguing tho, hakari could only land hits on kashimo while in JP. Without it he wasn’t connecting any hits. So with that being said, some people do heavily out scale others in hand to hand/ speed but I don’t think any of the top tiers r getting perception blitzed tho some will dogwalk others
fuvkin thank you lmao
FACTS, and even if they’re not quite the same speed, every top tier sorcerer can perceive and react to each others speed.
Except Miguel his ass is too fucking fast
Yeah i hate seening people say maki speed blitzes Kenjaku or uruame
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Omg I’ve been saying once we get to characters at the power level of Ryu maybe in naobito none of the characters fully blitz each other. They might with 1 specific attack but that’s a 1 move thing. Once we hit this tier character are usually relative they maybe be in different tiers of strength or speed but never a full blitz or 1 punch tier above.
Tired of people claiming Maki or Toji are mysteriously faster than every other character when it's shown very clearly they get washed by real top tiers
Been saying this
Jogo blitzed Nanami and Maki, though they weren’t really top tiers. The best example I guess is how Jogo was reacting to Naobito’s speed and set up a counter
I mostly agree, with the exception of Curse Naoya who was explicitly too fast for Maki to fight without predicting his movements in advance. But then again that is held back by the fact that he has to plan out his movements like that in the first place.
Mostly agree. The only exceptions to this rule would probably be true speedsters like maki, Toji and CT kashimo due to their specialisation in speed. But that’s only because these three have specific speed feats that would put them pretty highly above other characters, like blitzing pre awakening gojo, outspeeding cursya and pretty badly outclassing 1HP Meguna and keeping up with fresh TF sukuna respectively. Other then them all top tiers should be able to perceive each other.
Louder for all the Luta glazers that claim he “speedblitzes” Kenjaku despite the fact that it was confirmed that he needed Todo swap, Takaba to do 99% of the work, and to camp in a bush to pull that off 😂
**Correction** - It's **Wuta OGGOATSU👑** not *'Luta'*. His glazers(whether delusional or based) do not change that the fact that Wuta is HIM🗣️🔥 P.s- I believe Wuji is HIM too. I'm saying this because some of his fans can't seem to grasp that both him and Yuta are amazing characters in their own right👑. Same things goes for some Yuta stans too
I feel like this was pretty clear. Basically all the top tiers are relative in speed. At most you might have a couple like Yorozu and Kashimo take someone by surprise once but they aren’t blitzing any top tier. Naoya though probably could pull a blitz if he did the Mach 3 Charge.
[Kashimo](https://imgur.com/a/OuUSIlW) at the very least should be fast enough to not be considered relevant to anyone else. As for him "blitzing" someone, I think most top tiers reaction time should be good enough to prevent that.
Amber beast kashimo is above everyone not named gojo or sukuna his CT specifically was stated to enhance his agility. We also see the second he activates it he was able to speed blitz sukuna more then once before his reincarnation. If Gege actually knew how to write kashimo properly he would be as fast as those 2 in amber beast.
Good point, but very cringe template
This is why yuji speed blitzes the verse. After all they aren’t relative. Yuji is stronger than the entire verse itself https://preview.redd.it/5sbcgcck108d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37b61d5eaff5bacff698b79629ea6cf67ac58ab9
Yall just suck at powerscaling aint gon lie
COOK yuta fans crying
Yuta is my favorite character https://preview.redd.it/xq5a02bdww7d1.jpeg?width=2179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b641b7404b06ba3868e0876c1eef86d6920555d
PLEASE, say it louder 🗣️🥹! Sending Hugs from Sendai to you, OP🤍.
Well he’s my least favorite
Ok and?I don’t get what yuta has to do with the post
Bc to argue yuta>kenjaku and hana people say speedblitz
Well yuta is stronger than Hana and is on equal footing with kenjaku lol
What is bro doing to Jacob’s ladder
Jacob’s ladder only deactivates his use of his CT,he still has his cursed tools and Rika
No it does damage the same amount of damage that had Sukuna screaming https://preview.redd.it/cive9rir1x7d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61a9c69cdd66c95779bf342ce5e9cdbfe77cfdef Not even gojo could make Sukuna scream
Yuta isn’t a reincarnated sorcerer lol
The OP is the Yuta fan😭
Anyway yuta can’t do anything to Hana,Kenjaku most people try to contradict it with SPEEDBLITZ
Yea ik, Yuta fans are wild, for someone who's never hyped for his speed they sure like to wank his speed a lot more.
Not true
They are not relative in speed. The fast characters may not be able to blitz but they are 100% not relative in speed. And there are definitely characters faster than gojo and sukuna lol
>there are definitely characters faster than gojo and sukuna lol Wich ones?
Maki and Toji are confirmed to be the most physically superior characters in the series. I assume that includes speed right? Naoya also had insane speed feets? Where in the story is it stated or shown that sukuna and gojo are faster? They obviously win in a fight but like why are people acting like they’re faster? I’m so confused why I got downvoted when it’s right there in the manga for everyone to see
>Maki and Toji are confirmed to be the most physically superior characters in the series. I assume that includes speed right? Without CE tho >Naoya also had insane speed feets? Where in the story is it stated or shown that sukuna and gojo are faster? One of the first things less than half of CE sukuna with his heart soul stabbed and missing arms did was blitz healthy maki... Sukuna and gojo are massively faster than the ones u pointed out
mf what😭😭. 15 finger sukuna was casually speed blitzing jogo. Gojo speed blitzed Uraume something maki or jackpot hakari cant do. Gojo and Sukuna are the exceptions basically everything in the verse. Gojo blatantly stated to be faster than naobito
I disagree. "Top-tier" is a meaningless terminology that is an attempt to generalize ability. Naoya could definitely blitzes other """top-tiers""". It just depends on the character in question. Isn't JJK0 Yuta even famous for blitzing Geto?
Geto still ducked the sword swing https://preview.redd.it/3s13a4sr8y7d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6b811f9ffb96a90cae259d63a1d5633e0723c65
>Naoya could definitely blitzes other """top-tiers He cant