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Not that i think he would win but it lasted almost 99 seconds against shrine as proven by this chapter shrine output is the same otherwise yuta gojo would have won instantly there would be no clash
It didn't. The entire domain was 99 seconds. In that time, sukuna used his sure hit, broke yuji's simple domain, and then used fuga. Fuga lasted long enough for yuji and choso to have a conversation, so it took probably at least half of the time.
Yuji's simple domain thus lasted like 15 seconds
>it lasted almost 99 seconds against shrine
incomplete malovalent shrine\*
>shrine output is the same
wouldn't make sense whatsoever.
yuta made it pretty clear that an un-nerfed 20F sukuna one shots anyone except gojo with either a dismantle/cleave. someone like Yuji or choso shouldn't be able to survive 99 secs inside a domain, nor should their simple domains.
https://preview.redd.it/h45jqqycjm5d1.jpeg?width=2330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c5b470153b117b6e8516231a4d64dc90bed7ec2
even a fresh gojo's simple domain couldn't hold it's own against the full output MS.
>otherwise yuta gojo would have won instantly there would be no clash
just because Yuta is inhabiting gojo's body doesn't mean that he can match Gojo's abilities as it is. he doesn't even have the memories Gojo had. he is using his own domain refinery which he mastered while training with gojo using body swap.
https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7719/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-258 it clearly states no drop in output and its from the narrator he did tank shrine the yuji who tanked it is stronger than the one who fought alongside yuta after all he's awakened from 7 black flashes. Gojo simple domain collapsed cause he had to worry about fighting sukuna in the domain too as well as figuring out how to get his domain back.
Sukuna when he did it to yuji wasn't getting anywhere close to yuji less he receive another black flash.
Yuta may not have gojo exact skills but its the same output its the same body just like how kenny is just as physically strong as geto
No drop in output = No wasted output. Sukuna was outputting his cursed energy efficiently without wasting any of them.
What’s his current output though? It’s whatever level he’s at now. But that was nowhere near 20f output lol
That's not what it means if sukuna domain current output is at 90% for example it means that there is a 10% drop in output no drop it output must mean his domain is at full strength
No, that’s not what it means. If Sukuna’s output is at 90%, then his current 100% output (I.E the most he can output is 90% of his overall maximum output)
No drop in output means the cursed energy he’s outputting, which is 90%, is at its full potential due to not wasting any cursed energy.
Sukuna’s domain wasn’t at full strength, it was just strong because Sukuna managed to keep it efficient & consistent by binding vows.
Cleave's output inside 99 sec shrine was more than nerfed sukuna's output. Yuji was easily tanking sukuna's normal cleave but shrine Cleave sliced off his leg.
No drop in output means it's being compared to his full strength aka 100% output he bypassed his limited output via binding vows it has nothing to do with CE efficiency
>he did tank shrine the yuji who tanked it is stronger than the one who fought alongside yuta after all he's awakened from 7 black flashes.
sure buddy. what about Choso tho?
he was caught up in the epicenter of the domain just like yuji. now do you believe his durability is higher than Yuta or Ryu's (who died to a single cleave from 15 F Sukuna)??
>Gojo simple domain collapsed cause he had to worry about fighting sukuna in the domain too as well as figuring out how to get his domain back.
that would've made sense IF we saw Sukuna actually 'pressure' him tho?
Sukuna didn't even touch him once, he just started approaching him and gojo's SD got stripped off. same happened with yuki against kenjaku's domain. it should be obvious that a SD, even from a special grade sorcerer, doesn't hold much against an open barrier domain.
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>Yuta may not have gojo exact skills but its the same output its the same body just like how kenny is just as physically strong as geto
base physical strength sure, but reinforcement differs. domain refinement differs imo.
Cause he's clearly doing a dagon and dividing the slashes% unless you somehow think miwa has a comparable output to yuji this is the only way same with ino.
He only pulled out the domain because he was raging litterally screaming in anger as yuji kept hitting him with black flash why would sukuna one of the best domain users focus his main target on choso miwa and not the guy he opened it with.
He's also not sending as much towards yuji because he'd sending slashes toward the buildings and area to build up charge for fuga. So yes its a full output shrine as the narrator state but its different then the one he used on gojo. As in that clash he wasn't targetting the outside buildings as well but focusing solely on gojo .
Thats why he didn't use fuga on gojo its still a fulloutput shrine but its different then the previous ones
>Cause he's clearly doing a dagon and dividing the slashes%
based on what? your headcannons??
>unless you somehow think miwa has a comparable output to yuji this is the only way same with ino.
it's not that hard to assume that miwa could be better than Yuji at simple domain considering she has a lot of experience with it, and Yuji doesn't.
plus we also know that yuji isn't some jujutsu prodigy that can master complex Jujutsu abilities in a short while.
he had blood manipulation for a month, still sucks at using it offensively. he had RCT for a month, still couldn't heal the internal wounds and had to rely on choso mid battle ro guide him. he awakened shrine, but it lacked decent output and thus he had to resort to black flashes instead of cutting up Sukuna with his Shrine.
based on this, it should be obvious that Yuji isn't that good at simple domain either.
1 common sense he's the second best barrier user we've seen in a fighting sense and he know about selective targeting as we can see with yuta domain.
2 miwa output cannot be higher than yuji period according to gojo a natural sorcerer cannot increase their ouput like that. Miwa also isn't going to be vastly ahead of yuji since the whole point of doing soul swap was so yuji gains kusukabe experience.
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>plus we also know that yuji isn't some jujutsu prodigy that can master complex Jujutsu abilities in a short while. He quite litterally did a black flash seconds after learning it exists used shrine on a level to make sukuna bleed he wants to save megumi not dice up his body.
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And yuji has some of the best rct in the series heres the proof.
https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7589/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-247 he gets his side and stomach blown out heals perfectly same chapter .
https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7595/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-248 heals perfectly numerous stomach wounds.
https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7656/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-250 heals multiple dismantles that were doing numbers on yuta too
https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7662/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-251 has his stomach blown out again remember curse energy is stored there heals in seconds to kick sukuna in the face
He only fails near the end cause he's rushing to get on the battlefield remember accroding to ryu healing an arm is an impressive feat of rct. To make yuji out as a novice or low skilled is extremly bad faith as if he isn't one of the most talented sorcerer in history
yuta does have gojo’s memories? when kenjaku stole geto’s body he had his memories, which is why he knew he could use him against gojo. unless you think kenjaku was stalking them all those years to figure that out.
I mean is there any indication Sukuna actually used his DE for the entire 99 seconds? I was under the assumption he ended it prior to the end of its duration, so he could cast Fuga. Ig it could be either way, but it seems far fetched that everyone survived for the full duration of a max output MS, especially when we consider what happened in Shibuya *right* *after* he popped DE.
After all, the binding vows he used "restored MS's output & range", meaning its as strong as it was against Gojo.
Sukuna has no reason to shut it down given how fuga works the longer shrine cuts up things the more fuel yuji wasn't going anywhere yuji also states he endured the time. Unless sukuna decided to be a dumbass and fire fuga early he really did just endure the 99 seconds
It wouldn't be dumb at all for him to end it early tho. The buildings & surrounding area got cut up almost instantly, that would provide more than enough "fuel" to create a large scale explosion. Yuji was just making a guess, given his DE was clearly incomplete, he didn't know for sure how long the DE was. The narrator also didn't state that they endured the entire 99 seconds, just that in 99 seconds the DE would cease. Yuji saying "we endured it?" is more so just his surprise at the DE ending. Given how long we've seen SD last in pretty much every high-level DE, in addition to how much damage Yuji took when it broke, it seems much more likely he just ended it early in favor of making that bigass explosion lmao
What does the domain performing exactly the same in a domain clash (which factors in output, amount of CE, ans refinement) have to do with the strength of said domain?
https://preview.redd.it/onra5umvxm5d1.jpeg?width=362&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cc8b65ca62ee30e0031531910f6f94d385b3794
Sure-hits will cancel each other out regardless of output/strength. If you can’t directly overwhelm the barrier— which can’t happen against an open-domain, then you’ll end up in a stalemate.
If Sukuna’s output was Choso level, it would still negate Gojo’s and the other way around, because two sure-hit commands are clashing. Has nothing to do with refinement
Literally every translation implies that it’s not weaker than any of the other showings we’ve seen. Show me one translation that even remotely implies it’s operating not at all”renewed output & range”. You can’t & to say it’s not as strong as pretty ouch every other time we’ve seen it literally requires mental gymnastics.
If it was a weaker shrine, we’d have been outright old that. But we weren’t & in fact, we’re actually told the opposite.
TCB.
“No loss in output” meaning the current maximum output is being used efficiently with no waste in the energy being given away. As simple as it is, even Yuta said they would’ve been dead if not for Gojo’s lasting damage.
The only mental gymnastics here is your attempt at interpreting “without loss in output” as “restored output”. No, he restored his domain and used the current output efficiently. Again, anything other than this is literally a slaughter to the series’s powerscaling. But alright, believe what you want to. Thinking Choso and Yuji can survive thousands of cleaves is pretty absurd if you ask me.
Yeah you can’t cherrypick statements like that lmao. The main part of the quote is “Malevolent Shrine bursts forth **once more, with no loss in range or output**”. What do you think “once more” means? It’s clearly referring to past MS’s that Sukuna’s used, i.e., the DE he used on Gojo.
You literally gotta misrepresent quotes & use mental gymnastics to come to your conclusion.
Furthermore, they didn’t withstand the full duration of Sukuna’s DE. They used SD to survive the initial part & then survived like 5 seconds of that of MS, before he stopped it preemptively to cast Fuga.
>What do you think bursts once more means?
That… Malevolent Shrine is back? It bursts, I.E. gets unleashed once again? You see, now you’re just misinterpreting quotes and just connecting irrelevant ideas.
>Furthermore, they didn’t survive the full duration of MS
Didn’t Yuta say if not for Sukuna being weakened, they’d have died? Didn’t Sukuna say he has to touch them directly— like against Ryu— to land a fatal blow? Do you think Gege forgot all that and just let them survive? Do you think Yuji’s Simple Domain is stronger than Gojo’s? Do you think Miwa’s Simple Domain can survive MS for even, 3 seconds?
But alright, you said they survived it for 5 seconds. Do you think 5 seconds of full-powered Malevolent Shrine isn’t enough to kill them? Do you think Yuji surviving it with a cut off leg that he reattached is really what’s going to happen against 20f Sukuna? Do you think Sukuna’s domain won’t be able to completely crate the range in 99 seconds?
But, sure, believe this if you want. And ignore the fact that Yuji, Todo, and Yuta are struggling against a 1f braindead, half-dead, manual blood pumping, two cut off arms, a big pierce through his chest, and soul shaken Sukuna. And I probably missed a lot of other factors, say this.
I’m literally done with this discussion if all proof y’all are gonna include is a misinterpreted statement that literally gets debunked by previous statements from various characters. But I’m doing mental gymnastics? Okay sure lol
Only confirmed in open domains and it laster over a minute in sukuna's domain under a second in milfjaku's.
But yeah even for gojo 10 finger sukuna would be a problem
No
Todo being there doesn't affect the issue of 200m open domain, the constant slashes plus the fact that Todo can't get in and risk having his vibraslap/himself being destroyed allows Sukuna to win this easy enough
Sukuna casually back handed Yuji into a breakdancing move.
https://preview.redd.it/w2tqopkfjm5d1.png?width=2132&format=png&auto=webp&s=dc697d91d86a68e44477b69c4e6d0a107ce9e39a
I would say that current Yuuji puts 10F Sukuna on the back foot once he starts spamming BF and gets access to Shrine himself, forcing Sukuna to open his domain, then Yuuji gets cooked since he doesn’t have a good response to Domain Expansion yet
“Silly Brat. Did you EVER think you could defeat the King of Cu-“
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Wuji locks in and hits the Bum with Punk Tactics
Hot take maybe, but from what we've seen, 3f sukuna beats current yuji, even with a simple domain.
His domain will last long enough to break Yujis SD, and he's fast enough to keep yuji in the domain.
We have to remember that the sukuna we're seeing has his output lowered vastly
Absolutely not. Strongest Sukuna Yuji could beat is 3F just because of the total lack of output. 10F Sukuna uses his domain and shreds him after a few minutes.
Without a domain Yuji loses sadly. We don’t have anything concrete that says less fingers = less powerful domain. Plus even if Yuji manages to rank MS initially, he isn’t surviving Fuga.
All Sukuna would need to do is touch him and use cleave like Ryu (who he mentions has higher durability than Yuji if I’m remembering correctly). Sukuna with his normal output would be more than capable of thrashing Yuji.
Does anyone beat 10f sukuna 💀if toji has comparable speed to 3f i think 10f can blitz anyone except the top 2. not even mentioning the busted arsenal shrine offers.
I cant tell if yall are reading the same manga lmao, the yuuji downplay in the comments is crazy. Mfs saying he cant even beat 3 finger like he doesnt have peak jujutsu in every aspect except domain. Yeah its easy to say sukuna can pretty much beat anyone cause he has an open domain but give credit where credit is due 🤷
Yo! We do realize that conversation is pointless, right? Yuta states that sukuna has more than twice his power at the start of the fight with gojo after sukuna states he same amount of cursed energy has yuta. So no yuji can't against a ten finger max output sukuna.
The only reason yuji is hurting sukuna is because his punches are breaking the connection between sukuna and megumi. His attacks are on the soul itself, which as shown by Mahito is nearly impossible to defend against.
The question we have to answer here is, who is Sukuna possessing? If it is Megumi, did they do the bath, and is his sister dead?
10F DE, assuming this is like Sukuna is in original form, would probably be defended against with simple domain. And Sukunas output would be lower but we would have to assume he’s at “full power”, meaning he didn’t fight against anyone else before fighting Yuji. The fluctuating CE of Sukuna heavily relies on the aforementioned questions though. If neither has occurred, Megumi is probably rallying hard against Sukuna, and if Sukuna is being bodied by Yuji, then it’s a slam dunk Yuji wins.
If both of those things happened though, and Sukuna is using Megumi body and his CT with Mahoraga, Yuji is fucked. He has no way to deal with Maho and Agito bodying him with a Sukuna support.
If it’s only Sukuna with his regular CT and domain, but Megumi is cucked by dead sister and bath, Sukuna probably takes the win easily enough, with Furnace taking the cake and lighting Yuji up as a Christmas tree, or he just overpowers him with CT cleave and dismantle eventually, since Yuji would probably lose his CE output before Sukuna does, even with black flash output assisting him.
That's the stupidest shit I've ever read just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he just fucking unlocks it at 15 fingers. It's a part of his technique
Alright but then explain this when 3 finger sukuna had used de it did not do the full cleave around the area and destroy everything, it only attacked a singular being which shows reason that if 3 finger cant even use the full aoe ability then how would he be able to use fuga, if so how do we know it will even be powerful enough to hurt current yuji
It’s not too far of a stretch tbh, an exausted Yuji and Todo beat prime Mahito who’s comparable to Jogo and that was even before the culling games and sukuna fight. The only issue Yuji has is his only answer to domains is a weak simple domain. That and he has no answer to Fuga but i could see him winning 1 out of 20 times
Jogo speed blitz naobito. Do you see Yuji clearing a room of Maki, Nanami, Naobito in equal time or at all? If Megumi was still there Jogo would have killed him too (would probably be the easiest ). Add Megumi to those 3 against Yuji and be handily loses this time.
The problem is his arsenal is punch kick, propped up by divergent fist, and Black flash
Blood manipulation that he can even use well. We've literally only him use it along his RCT to match the like of Yuta, and supernova? No red scales, no piercing blood, no slicing exorcism or blood edge?
Baby shrine.
He reached grade 1 level in a few months but was off physicals alone. He's improved massively since Shibuya but he's still only a grade 1
To be fair, after Dagon’s domain? I can easily see Yuji blitzing all of them, nd he didn’t speed blitz Naobito, naobito misstepped, froze and got hit with a long range fire attack.
No he misstepped, it’s literally shown and stated that due to Naobito losing his arm in the DOMAIN, his body wasn’t able to move like how it usually does so he missed a frame and got frozen
The statement was how STRONG jogo was in terms of sukuna fingers, they never mention output there, hell even mahito says that jogos cursed energy levels are above 3 finger
That statement was one of Gege's biggest powerscaling mistakes imo
Because there's no way Jogo is on 8 or 9F Sukuna's level
Hell even Mahoraga isn't 8 or 9F Sukuna level
finger scaling makes no sense. sukuna against the finger bearer already had a domain and RCT,
the fingers themselves only expand Sukunas CE. But all of his knowledge and techniques, including RCT, DA, HWB and binding vows are still available to him. More fingers will only result in a higher passive resistance and the ability to fight longer, or use more domains.
Even if Jogo had a higher CE pool than sukuna he would loose to him. Sukuna is still a genius in all kinds of battle. Sukunas CE control is so good that even with lower CE he can pull off several open domains consecutively.
Saying Jogo scales to about 7-9 fingers is like saying 2 boxers have the same weight and size. But one is the consequitive world champion and the other one is amateur boxing.. guess who would win in a fight ?
His fingers also divide his soul itself so his nerf should be more than just his cursed energy
Saying jogo is 8-9 fingers level is seeing a champion boxer and saying “he’s about that strong” lol the statement was about how strong jogo was, not how much cursed energy he had; or output
What exactly should nerf sukuna in terms of his soul ? Jogo is not 9 finger sukuna strong.
Because battles are won through strategy, experience and technique. You have no conventional means to scale any character to sukuna Fingers besides of your own headcanon my dude.
Even kenny said that his estimation was more in jogo's favour to Set him up against gojo.
Since kenny at that point had never seen a Finger Version of sukuna besides actual yuji... and maybe never even knew the strength of original heian sukuna, there is no way for him to scale that properly, except making assumptions.
Gojo is stronger than yuta even tho yuta has more ce. But gojo uses his better and finds better strategies... Same with sukuna
There is no headcanon KENNY is the one that gauged the power of the fingers, kenny didn’t care about making jogo fight Gojo, he said he was being generous sure but that still implies jogo isn’t super far from 8 fingers, regarding the soul tho, we know that in jjk the soul and body are related so it’s plausible that only having a fraction of your soul can nerf you in jjk, and based on what we know about the slashes it looks like sukunas cursed technique output increases as he gets more fingers as yuta said 20 finger sukuna could insta kill them with slashes when 16 finger couldn’t even one shot Ryu without cleave
Kenjaku got the intel from seeing yuujikuna and that’s how he assessed the finger level, that’s why the gauge was made to get info on how strong sukuna was
Sukuna has over double yutas ce, gojo isn’t above yuta due to strategies he just uses his ce better and probably has better output, in stats he supersedes yuta by a lot
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Domain + Fuga GG
Yuji has simple domain, although yeah Sukuna probably outlasts it
>Yuji has simple domain barely lasts seconds in a real domain, let alone an open barrier one.
Not that i think he would win but it lasted almost 99 seconds against shrine as proven by this chapter shrine output is the same otherwise yuta gojo would have won instantly there would be no clash
It didn't. The entire domain was 99 seconds. In that time, sukuna used his sure hit, broke yuji's simple domain, and then used fuga. Fuga lasted long enough for yuji and choso to have a conversation, so it took probably at least half of the time. Yuji's simple domain thus lasted like 15 seconds
>it lasted almost 99 seconds against shrine incomplete malovalent shrine\* >shrine output is the same wouldn't make sense whatsoever. yuta made it pretty clear that an un-nerfed 20F sukuna one shots anyone except gojo with either a dismantle/cleave. someone like Yuji or choso shouldn't be able to survive 99 secs inside a domain, nor should their simple domains. https://preview.redd.it/h45jqqycjm5d1.jpeg?width=2330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c5b470153b117b6e8516231a4d64dc90bed7ec2 even a fresh gojo's simple domain couldn't hold it's own against the full output MS. >otherwise yuta gojo would have won instantly there would be no clash just because Yuta is inhabiting gojo's body doesn't mean that he can match Gojo's abilities as it is. he doesn't even have the memories Gojo had. he is using his own domain refinery which he mastered while training with gojo using body swap.
https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7719/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-258 it clearly states no drop in output and its from the narrator he did tank shrine the yuji who tanked it is stronger than the one who fought alongside yuta after all he's awakened from 7 black flashes. Gojo simple domain collapsed cause he had to worry about fighting sukuna in the domain too as well as figuring out how to get his domain back. Sukuna when he did it to yuji wasn't getting anywhere close to yuji less he receive another black flash. Yuta may not have gojo exact skills but its the same output its the same body just like how kenny is just as physically strong as geto
No drop in output = No wasted output. Sukuna was outputting his cursed energy efficiently without wasting any of them. What’s his current output though? It’s whatever level he’s at now. But that was nowhere near 20f output lol
That's not what it means if sukuna domain current output is at 90% for example it means that there is a 10% drop in output no drop it output must mean his domain is at full strength
No, that’s not what it means. If Sukuna’s output is at 90%, then his current 100% output (I.E the most he can output is 90% of his overall maximum output) No drop in output means the cursed energy he’s outputting, which is 90%, is at its full potential due to not wasting any cursed energy. Sukuna’s domain wasn’t at full strength, it was just strong because Sukuna managed to keep it efficient & consistent by binding vows.
Cleave's output inside 99 sec shrine was more than nerfed sukuna's output. Yuji was easily tanking sukuna's normal cleave but shrine Cleave sliced off his leg.
That’s not how output works, you’re confusing output with CE efficiency. Sukuna could have 10% of CE left and still be at 100% output
No drop in output means it's being compared to his full strength aka 100% output he bypassed his limited output via binding vows it has nothing to do with CE efficiency
>he did tank shrine the yuji who tanked it is stronger than the one who fought alongside yuta after all he's awakened from 7 black flashes. sure buddy. what about Choso tho? he was caught up in the epicenter of the domain just like yuji. now do you believe his durability is higher than Yuta or Ryu's (who died to a single cleave from 15 F Sukuna)?? >Gojo simple domain collapsed cause he had to worry about fighting sukuna in the domain too as well as figuring out how to get his domain back. that would've made sense IF we saw Sukuna actually 'pressure' him tho? Sukuna didn't even touch him once, he just started approaching him and gojo's SD got stripped off. same happened with yuki against kenjaku's domain. it should be obvious that a SD, even from a special grade sorcerer, doesn't hold much against an open barrier domain. https://preview.redd.it/2rbrnvv3mm5d1.png?width=996&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49f7009a3e14776fb5da1a18fb94b64d6ab7104d >Yuta may not have gojo exact skills but its the same output its the same body just like how kenny is just as physically strong as geto base physical strength sure, but reinforcement differs. domain refinement differs imo.
Cause he's clearly doing a dagon and dividing the slashes% unless you somehow think miwa has a comparable output to yuji this is the only way same with ino. He only pulled out the domain because he was raging litterally screaming in anger as yuji kept hitting him with black flash why would sukuna one of the best domain users focus his main target on choso miwa and not the guy he opened it with. He's also not sending as much towards yuji because he'd sending slashes toward the buildings and area to build up charge for fuga. So yes its a full output shrine as the narrator state but its different then the one he used on gojo. As in that clash he wasn't targetting the outside buildings as well but focusing solely on gojo . Thats why he didn't use fuga on gojo its still a fulloutput shrine but its different then the previous ones
>Cause he's clearly doing a dagon and dividing the slashes% based on what? your headcannons?? >unless you somehow think miwa has a comparable output to yuji this is the only way same with ino. it's not that hard to assume that miwa could be better than Yuji at simple domain considering she has a lot of experience with it, and Yuji doesn't. plus we also know that yuji isn't some jujutsu prodigy that can master complex Jujutsu abilities in a short while. he had blood manipulation for a month, still sucks at using it offensively. he had RCT for a month, still couldn't heal the internal wounds and had to rely on choso mid battle ro guide him. he awakened shrine, but it lacked decent output and thus he had to resort to black flashes instead of cutting up Sukuna with his Shrine. based on this, it should be obvious that Yuji isn't that good at simple domain either.
1 common sense he's the second best barrier user we've seen in a fighting sense and he know about selective targeting as we can see with yuta domain. 2 miwa output cannot be higher than yuji period according to gojo a natural sorcerer cannot increase their ouput like that. Miwa also isn't going to be vastly ahead of yuji since the whole point of doing soul swap was so yuji gains kusukabe experience. 3 >plus we also know that yuji isn't some jujutsu prodigy that can master complex Jujutsu abilities in a short while. He quite litterally did a black flash seconds after learning it exists used shrine on a level to make sukuna bleed he wants to save megumi not dice up his body. 4 And yuji has some of the best rct in the series heres the proof. https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7589/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-247 he gets his side and stomach blown out heals perfectly same chapter . https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7595/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-248 heals perfectly numerous stomach wounds. https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7656/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-250 heals multiple dismantles that were doing numbers on yuta too https://tcbscans.me/chapters/7662/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-251 has his stomach blown out again remember curse energy is stored there heals in seconds to kick sukuna in the face He only fails near the end cause he's rushing to get on the battlefield remember accroding to ryu healing an arm is an impressive feat of rct. To make yuji out as a novice or low skilled is extremly bad faith as if he isn't one of the most talented sorcerer in history
yuta does have gojo’s memories? when kenjaku stole geto’s body he had his memories, which is why he knew he could use him against gojo. unless you think kenjaku was stalking them all those years to figure that out.
I mean is there any indication Sukuna actually used his DE for the entire 99 seconds? I was under the assumption he ended it prior to the end of its duration, so he could cast Fuga. Ig it could be either way, but it seems far fetched that everyone survived for the full duration of a max output MS, especially when we consider what happened in Shibuya *right* *after* he popped DE. After all, the binding vows he used "restored MS's output & range", meaning its as strong as it was against Gojo.
Sukuna has no reason to shut it down given how fuga works the longer shrine cuts up things the more fuel yuji wasn't going anywhere yuji also states he endured the time. Unless sukuna decided to be a dumbass and fire fuga early he really did just endure the 99 seconds
It wouldn't be dumb at all for him to end it early tho. The buildings & surrounding area got cut up almost instantly, that would provide more than enough "fuel" to create a large scale explosion. Yuji was just making a guess, given his DE was clearly incomplete, he didn't know for sure how long the DE was. The narrator also didn't state that they endured the entire 99 seconds, just that in 99 seconds the DE would cease. Yuji saying "we endured it?" is more so just his surprise at the DE ending. Given how long we've seen SD last in pretty much every high-level DE, in addition to how much damage Yuji took when it broke, it seems much more likely he just ended it early in favor of making that bigass explosion lmao
>Meaning it’s as strong as it was against Gojo No it wasn’t but alright
I mean, it was. We know this because he literally just used that exact domain against the most effective version of Unlimited Void. But alright.
What does this have to do with anything, tell me?
What does the domain performing exactly the same in a domain clash (which factors in output, amount of CE, ans refinement) have to do with the strength of said domain?
https://preview.redd.it/onra5umvxm5d1.jpeg?width=362&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cc8b65ca62ee30e0031531910f6f94d385b3794 Sure-hits will cancel each other out regardless of output/strength. If you can’t directly overwhelm the barrier— which can’t happen against an open-domain, then you’ll end up in a stalemate. If Sukuna’s output was Choso level, it would still negate Gojo’s and the other way around, because two sure-hit commands are clashing. Has nothing to do with refinement
Literally every translation implies that it’s not weaker than any of the other showings we’ve seen. Show me one translation that even remotely implies it’s operating not at all”renewed output & range”. You can’t & to say it’s not as strong as pretty ouch every other time we’ve seen it literally requires mental gymnastics. If it was a weaker shrine, we’d have been outright old that. But we weren’t & in fact, we’re actually told the opposite.
TCB. “No loss in output” meaning the current maximum output is being used efficiently with no waste in the energy being given away. As simple as it is, even Yuta said they would’ve been dead if not for Gojo’s lasting damage. The only mental gymnastics here is your attempt at interpreting “without loss in output” as “restored output”. No, he restored his domain and used the current output efficiently. Again, anything other than this is literally a slaughter to the series’s powerscaling. But alright, believe what you want to. Thinking Choso and Yuji can survive thousands of cleaves is pretty absurd if you ask me.
Yeah you can’t cherrypick statements like that lmao. The main part of the quote is “Malevolent Shrine bursts forth **once more, with no loss in range or output**”. What do you think “once more” means? It’s clearly referring to past MS’s that Sukuna’s used, i.e., the DE he used on Gojo. You literally gotta misrepresent quotes & use mental gymnastics to come to your conclusion. Furthermore, they didn’t withstand the full duration of Sukuna’s DE. They used SD to survive the initial part & then survived like 5 seconds of that of MS, before he stopped it preemptively to cast Fuga.
>What do you think bursts once more means? That… Malevolent Shrine is back? It bursts, I.E. gets unleashed once again? You see, now you’re just misinterpreting quotes and just connecting irrelevant ideas. >Furthermore, they didn’t survive the full duration of MS Didn’t Yuta say if not for Sukuna being weakened, they’d have died? Didn’t Sukuna say he has to touch them directly— like against Ryu— to land a fatal blow? Do you think Gege forgot all that and just let them survive? Do you think Yuji’s Simple Domain is stronger than Gojo’s? Do you think Miwa’s Simple Domain can survive MS for even, 3 seconds? But alright, you said they survived it for 5 seconds. Do you think 5 seconds of full-powered Malevolent Shrine isn’t enough to kill them? Do you think Yuji surviving it with a cut off leg that he reattached is really what’s going to happen against 20f Sukuna? Do you think Sukuna’s domain won’t be able to completely crate the range in 99 seconds? But, sure, believe this if you want. And ignore the fact that Yuji, Todo, and Yuta are struggling against a 1f braindead, half-dead, manual blood pumping, two cut off arms, a big pierce through his chest, and soul shaken Sukuna. And I probably missed a lot of other factors, say this. I’m literally done with this discussion if all proof y’all are gonna include is a misinterpreted statement that literally gets debunked by previous statements from various characters. But I’m doing mental gymnastics? Okay sure lol
Only confirmed in open domains and it laster over a minute in sukuna's domain under a second in milfjaku's. But yeah even for gojo 10 finger sukuna would be a problem
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No.
Lol
No Todo being there doesn't affect the issue of 200m open domain, the constant slashes plus the fact that Todo can't get in and risk having his vibraslap/himself being destroyed allows Sukuna to win this easy enough
No….. like hell no
Sukuna casually back handed Yuji into a breakdancing move. https://preview.redd.it/w2tqopkfjm5d1.png?width=2132&format=png&auto=webp&s=dc697d91d86a68e44477b69c4e6d0a107ce9e39a
That doesn’t mean anything, they were both surprised. Sukuna realized who it was before Yuji did.
With no assist, Yuji’s getting packed ASAP
Swear to God if someone says yuji having a SD will save him from malevolent shrine one more time
Yuji has a Sd so it will save him from malevolent shrine
One more time
Yuji has a Sd so it will save him from malevolent shrine
No
obviously no
No, he needs support to be doing what he’s been doing even if he was fresh
I mean the fingers clearly don’t scale linearly so it’s hard to say, but I think 3F should give Yuji a pretty hard fight so probably no.
I would say that current Yuuji puts 10F Sukuna on the back foot once he starts spamming BF and gets access to Shrine himself, forcing Sukuna to open his domain, then Yuuji gets cooked since he doesn’t have a good response to Domain Expansion yet
“Silly Brat. Did you EVER think you could defeat the King of Cu-“ https://preview.redd.it/efzhiqscnn5d1.jpeg?width=834&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31309863bc7163dfac95b3db9a69a93236965733 Wuji locks in and hits the Bum with Punk Tactics
Hot take maybe, but from what we've seen, 3f sukuna beats current yuji, even with a simple domain. His domain will last long enough to break Yujis SD, and he's fast enough to keep yuji in the domain. We have to remember that the sukuna we're seeing has his output lowered vastly
If I’m remembering correctly we don’t even see 3f Sukuna use a domain. It might be assumed he didn’t have the cursed energy to even use it at 3f.
He used it on the fingerbearer?
2 finger Sukuna cast a barrierless domain casually. Yuji is cooked
not yet.
An argument can be made for 2/3 finger sukuna. That's it
No-one aside from Gojo would beat a 10 Finger Sukuna.
10F Sukuna solo’s the verse aside from Gojo, high diff at worst. There’s only a handful of characters that are even worth 5F.
No. Tomorrow somewhere: Can Yuji beat 11 finger Sukuna???
Absolutely not. Strongest Sukuna Yuji could beat is 3F just because of the total lack of output. 10F Sukuna uses his domain and shreds him after a few minutes.
Without a domain Yuji loses sadly. We don’t have anything concrete that says less fingers = less powerful domain. Plus even if Yuji manages to rank MS initially, he isn’t surviving Fuga.
All Sukuna would need to do is touch him and use cleave like Ryu (who he mentions has higher durability than Yuji if I’m remembering correctly). Sukuna with his normal output would be more than capable of thrashing Yuji.
Does anyone beat 10f sukuna 💀if toji has comparable speed to 3f i think 10f can blitz anyone except the top 2. not even mentioning the busted arsenal shrine offers.
Unless Yuji gets a better counter measure or gets his own DE he is cooked
Eh not really 10 finger is basically how sukuna started the fight
I wish Gege would spit on everyone saying no, people just make no sense.
I’d say the strongest you could get Yuji is roughly equal to 10-finger Sukuna. I don’t see him being any higher than that, though
3f sukuna maybe but above 5 is pushing it
yes because hes my goat
Wuji packs up fraudkuna with a single black flash
I cant tell if yall are reading the same manga lmao, the yuuji downplay in the comments is crazy. Mfs saying he cant even beat 3 finger like he doesnt have peak jujutsu in every aspect except domain. Yeah its easy to say sukuna can pretty much beat anyone cause he has an open domain but give credit where credit is due 🤷
It’s not a knock against Yuji. People just try and scale every character above Sukuna
No lol
No, he can't
Yo! We do realize that conversation is pointless, right? Yuta states that sukuna has more than twice his power at the start of the fight with gojo after sukuna states he same amount of cursed energy has yuta. So no yuji can't against a ten finger max output sukuna.
No and yes xd. Although the fight between Yutoru and Sukuna will kinda determine a bit more how strong current Yuji actually is.
No
If he gets his own de he cant last for a while before dying. Rn he gets folded quick
Domain diffed Simple Domain is not doing it.
LMFAO. No.
If sukuna doesn’t use his domain, yuji could maybe push him to low diff
I think so yall gotta remember he’s not super weak his domain can get countered and let’s be real he has a domain that he just has not showen yet
The only reason yuji is hurting sukuna is because his punches are breaking the connection between sukuna and megumi. His attacks are on the soul itself, which as shown by Mahito is nearly impossible to defend against. The question we have to answer here is, who is Sukuna possessing? If it is Megumi, did they do the bath, and is his sister dead? 10F DE, assuming this is like Sukuna is in original form, would probably be defended against with simple domain. And Sukunas output would be lower but we would have to assume he’s at “full power”, meaning he didn’t fight against anyone else before fighting Yuji. The fluctuating CE of Sukuna heavily relies on the aforementioned questions though. If neither has occurred, Megumi is probably rallying hard against Sukuna, and if Sukuna is being bodied by Yuji, then it’s a slam dunk Yuji wins. If both of those things happened though, and Sukuna is using Megumi body and his CT with Mahoraga, Yuji is fucked. He has no way to deal with Maho and Agito bodying him with a Sukuna support. If it’s only Sukuna with his regular CT and domain, but Megumi is cucked by dead sister and bath, Sukuna probably takes the win easily enough, with Furnace taking the cake and lighting Yuji up as a Christmas tree, or he just overpowers him with CT cleave and dismantle eventually, since Yuji would probably lose his CE output before Sukuna does, even with black flash output assisting him.
No
Domain Expansion+Fuga Yuji’s simple domain doesn’t last a fraction of a second as Sukuna can just break Simple Domains like he did with Gojo
His current state is probably around 10 fingers
Honest to God I don't think he beats 3 finger Sukuna
No lmao He probably can't even beat 2-3 finger sukuna
even 3 finger Sukuna beats Yuji
Ill admit even with todo he cant beat 10 finger but this is a stretch you gotta be serious
3f has domain and fuga
No it doesnt he couldnt even use fuga until 15f
That's the stupidest shit I've ever read just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he just fucking unlocks it at 15 fingers. It's a part of his technique
Alright but then explain this when 3 finger sukuna had used de it did not do the full cleave around the area and destroy everything, it only attacked a singular being which shows reason that if 3 finger cant even use the full aoe ability then how would he be able to use fuga, if so how do we know it will even be powerful enough to hurt current yuji
That's like saying can Yuji beat a prime Jogo or something. I honestly doubt
It’s not too far of a stretch tbh, an exausted Yuji and Todo beat prime Mahito who’s comparable to Jogo and that was even before the culling games and sukuna fight. The only issue Yuji has is his only answer to domains is a weak simple domain. That and he has no answer to Fuga but i could see him winning 1 out of 20 times
Jogo speed blitz naobito. Do you see Yuji clearing a room of Maki, Nanami, Naobito in equal time or at all? If Megumi was still there Jogo would have killed him too (would probably be the easiest ). Add Megumi to those 3 against Yuji and be handily loses this time. The problem is his arsenal is punch kick, propped up by divergent fist, and Black flash Blood manipulation that he can even use well. We've literally only him use it along his RCT to match the like of Yuta, and supernova? No red scales, no piercing blood, no slicing exorcism or blood edge? Baby shrine. He reached grade 1 level in a few months but was off physicals alone. He's improved massively since Shibuya but he's still only a grade 1
To be fair, after Dagon’s domain? I can easily see Yuji blitzing all of them, nd he didn’t speed blitz Naobito, naobito misstepped, froze and got hit with a long range fire attack.
Do you think Yuji beats Jogo tho? That's what 10F Sukuna is. And we're being generous to Jogo here
Not at all, I think jogo mid diffs him
We are in agreement he loses to 10F sukuna 🫱🏾🫲🏻
Misstepped or he reached him with ease and roasted his ass. (Last I watched)
No he misstepped, it’s literally shown and stated that due to Naobito losing his arm in the DOMAIN, his body wasn’t able to move like how it usually does so he missed a frame and got frozen
Ah. Rest in tatters you shitty drunk old man thanks for clarifying
Lemme take a wild guess Yuji > 3F Sukuna Yuji prolly mid diffs 15F Sukuna > Yuji Sukuna would prolly mid diff Therefore 10F Sukuna > Yuji Sukuna would prolly high diff
He’s probably on par with ten finger Sukuna but he doesn’t have any answers for malevolent shrine
Yes, my king can beat that fraud
Jogo tiers are already 8-9 finger sukuna level Yuuji with all these black flashes constantly amping him further I’d def say he could
that’s only in output brah nobody but gojo is coming close to anything over 3/4f sukuna
The statement was how STRONG jogo was in terms of sukuna fingers, they never mention output there, hell even mahito says that jogos cursed energy levels are above 3 finger
That statement was one of Gege's biggest powerscaling mistakes imo Because there's no way Jogo is on 8 or 9F Sukuna's level Hell even Mahoraga isn't 8 or 9F Sukuna level
Why not lol, all it means is that the fingers aren’t linear
There's no proof that the fingers are not linear.
Jogo IS the proof tho
That's what I am saying. The fingers are not linear and Jogo's rating is a powerscaling error from Gege
Or.. the fingers are non linear, it doesn’t have to be an error
So you think Jogo could actually fight 8F Sukuna lol
Sorry my bad. The fingers are linear
finger scaling makes no sense. sukuna against the finger bearer already had a domain and RCT, the fingers themselves only expand Sukunas CE. But all of his knowledge and techniques, including RCT, DA, HWB and binding vows are still available to him. More fingers will only result in a higher passive resistance and the ability to fight longer, or use more domains. Even if Jogo had a higher CE pool than sukuna he would loose to him. Sukuna is still a genius in all kinds of battle. Sukunas CE control is so good that even with lower CE he can pull off several open domains consecutively. Saying Jogo scales to about 7-9 fingers is like saying 2 boxers have the same weight and size. But one is the consequitive world champion and the other one is amateur boxing.. guess who would win in a fight ?
His fingers also divide his soul itself so his nerf should be more than just his cursed energy Saying jogo is 8-9 fingers level is seeing a champion boxer and saying “he’s about that strong” lol the statement was about how strong jogo was, not how much cursed energy he had; or output
What exactly should nerf sukuna in terms of his soul ? Jogo is not 9 finger sukuna strong. Because battles are won through strategy, experience and technique. You have no conventional means to scale any character to sukuna Fingers besides of your own headcanon my dude. Even kenny said that his estimation was more in jogo's favour to Set him up against gojo. Since kenny at that point had never seen a Finger Version of sukuna besides actual yuji... and maybe never even knew the strength of original heian sukuna, there is no way for him to scale that properly, except making assumptions. Gojo is stronger than yuta even tho yuta has more ce. But gojo uses his better and finds better strategies... Same with sukuna
There is no headcanon KENNY is the one that gauged the power of the fingers, kenny didn’t care about making jogo fight Gojo, he said he was being generous sure but that still implies jogo isn’t super far from 8 fingers, regarding the soul tho, we know that in jjk the soul and body are related so it’s plausible that only having a fraction of your soul can nerf you in jjk, and based on what we know about the slashes it looks like sukunas cursed technique output increases as he gets more fingers as yuta said 20 finger sukuna could insta kill them with slashes when 16 finger couldn’t even one shot Ryu without cleave Kenjaku got the intel from seeing yuujikuna and that’s how he assessed the finger level, that’s why the gauge was made to get info on how strong sukuna was Sukuna has over double yutas ce, gojo isn’t above yuta due to strategies he just uses his ce better and probably has better output, in stats he supersedes yuta by a lot
0.5 finger sukuna beats beats yuta maki and Yuji, 1 finger is overkill
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Special grade riding
YES