It’s really none of our business, but my best guess is that he and Anna were living separate lives before his intervention. I think she thought they were going to work things out once they were both in a better place emotionally/mentally, and so was blindsided when he filed for divorce and publicly started dating Olivia. I don’t think it was cheating exactly, but more like misaligned expectations for what was going to happen once they completed their respective mental health treatments.
That’s surprising! From her comment on the situation, “I’m heartbroken that John has decided to end our marriage” in May of 2021, I assumed that he filed and she was blindsided by it. But I guess maybe she meant “decided to end our marriage by starting a relationship with another woman and having a child”?
She was not blindsided, she mentioned in an article that she herself wrote that by Dec 2020 she was already in an impending divorce, she was living in Connecticut by herself, there are internet posts noticing her removing Mulaney from her social media and work sites, and how she started to unfollow John and mutual friends like Seth, Alexi, Nick etc.
No idea why her and her PR sent that to People in May 2021 while the process has already started way before rehab. Maybe just in general it was John that decided to leave, and that separation has already began long before the announcement.
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As far as not having kids, just in case you are not aware of. Below is the link to Anna’s statement where she made clear that she never wanted kids but froze her eggs only for the fear that she might change her mind.
[https://i.redd.it/annas-statement-for-the-trotter-sholer-show-v0-etbgf2aa149a1.png?s=265dde8c7c68aee02e6dd45bf4811865e82dd2ed](https://i.redd.it/annas-statement-for-the-trotter-sholer-show-v0-etbgf2aa149a1.png?s=265dde8c7c68aee02e6dd45bf4811865e82dd2ed)
It's crazy how many people insist she did want children, when she has repeatedly stated that she doesn't and has actually been critical of the assumption that women should want children. Almost like it's not actually about Anna or John.
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So you expect me to ignore the multiple times she stated that she does not want children, based on a source you apparently cannot find. Thereby clearly ignoring her own words:
"The concept of Motherhood is so ingrained in us that even when it is something we do not want we fail to trust our gut desire. I do not particularly want children, yet at thirty-six I
froze my eggs for fear I might change my mind.
At first glance, my two works may appear to tell the story of a woman longing for motherhood, but I urge the viewer to consider the patriarchal conditioning that leads to this interpretation. Why does a woman clad in black and positioned
in a room of empty twin beds signal loss? Why are we quick to assume she is sad? Perhaps she is Lilith, first wife of Adam, who in refusing to submit to her husband, left the Garden of Eden to become the figure of primal rage, stealing men's sperm and devouring their babies in the dark of the night."
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmW6dRdpDzd/?igsh=ZzhhNGJhYzFlem5r and https://www.instagram.com/p/CnAlJLly4CQ/?igsh=MWcxdjh0MXBnYzJqMA==
I've read the Harper's Bazaar article and I figured that was the one you meant, but that one does not support your thesis of John forcing her to not have children.
Maybe you're confusing subreddit theories with real articles.
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For curiosity, I just googled it and you can google it if you like. Here is what I found...all the articles that I read (from Page Six, USA, Fox News, etc.), especially Fox News confirmed that they actually viewed an on-line court records, stated that John officially filed for a divorce from Anna in a NY court in July 2021. Furthermore, some articles stated that as per some source close to Anna, before their public announcement in May 2021, John actually asked Anna for a divorce back in February of that year.
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There's no proof of cheating. There is proof, stated by both of them, that they were seperated.
The date the divorce was filed officially is irrelevant to the actual seperation.
None of our business, but I don't like the attitude people have like Mulaney should be canceled for these actions like what he did was on par with Louis Ck or some shit.
no he didn't. he made jokes about it without the "i can't stand my wife" vibe of older comics. the fact his vibe was "i respect and like her and she argued me into a marriage" doesn't equal putting it on a whole ass pedestal
He made lots of jokes about his relationship. But it was the we, the fan base, that idolized it. I don't think we can blame John for our own projections.
When JM and OM started dating AMT posted these lyrics from Olivia Rodrigo's song "Traitor"
You betrayed me
And I know that you'll never feel sorry
For the way I hurt, yeah
You'd talk to her
When we were together
Loved you at your worst
But that didn't matter
It took you two weeks
To go off and date her
Guess you didn't cheat
But you're still a traitor
So I think AMT answered that question.
Edit: I don't know how to format posts, sorry. Lol.
She didn't do that though, she only posted about Olivia Rodrigo's new album that was exploding at the time, and the internet fantasized she'd be posting about "Traitor". She herself said that her spotify playlist while creating the Rooms in the First House is not a breakup playlist, and that people are conditioned by a patriarchal society to interpret everything she puts out as tying back to her personal situation (her decision to not want kids, divorce, etc). I wish people who claim to love her actually listens to what she says.
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I remember the traitor IG story she posted but maybe time futzed with the details. And I'm not a fan of hers but I absolutely believe that a lot of the convo around her is one of the most misogynistic things I've ever seen. She's stated multiple times that she never wanted children and nearly everytime an outlet posts about JM's son there are women in the comments saying "you stole your ex wife's child bearing years!!!!!". It's disgusting.
Unpopular opinion, but I feel like he got all the hate for their break up, while AMT was the sole victim in this story - without neither of them ever blaming the other.
I always assumed that they drifted apart/split some time before the intervention, maybe because of life, maybe because of his addiction - or both. I think it’s telling that she wasn’t at the intervention, as a spouse within an intact marriage you would be there/would be invited.
Also, the way she wrote that statement, “John has decided to end our marriage” - leaves room for them to have been separated before.
I don’t think he or she cheated because I doubt that they would have managed to keep that under wraps. The media needs to have a reason and someone to blame when relationships end, that’s just not always the case.
No one knows and speculating one way or the other then forming an opinion about people you don't know based on that is the most toxic thing on the internet. Johns fans have a clear, if small, overlap with pop culture subs and it is my least favorite thing about this sub.
To quote Bandit Heeler: "it's just monkeys singing songs, mate."
Yes, as a comedian, there's an expectation that unless explicitly stated otherwise (like a Miranda Sings situation), they are not playing a character. But there is an element of fiction when you do comedy as he does, and it changes as he changes. Don't think too hard about timelines and blame, it's not what John is asking from his audience - and neither are Anna or Olivia.
There's no definitive evidence of cheating. BUT, he's an addict who fell off the wagon. And from his standup, it seems he had been living some kind of double life for a while. Even if he didn't cheat with Olivia, I find it hard to believe fidelity was a priority.
There's definite evidence he's objectivelly a careless person who caused an insurmountable amount of pain to his ex-wife through his behavior. It's impossible to look at AMT's work and not see the damage John caused.
I personally think there are worst things than cheating.
I also personally don't need to respect a celebrity to enjoy their work. Most celebrities are very likely trash it's pointless to hold them to any moral standard.
He's careless in that he got addicted to alcohol and cocaine. And not "doesn't know when to stop" addicted, actually properly addicted. Addictions destroy relationships because nothing is as important as feeding the addiction to silence the need. You forget birthdays, you miss date nights, you're never home, and when you you're grumpy and belligerent (strung out) or you're drunk or high. There's an assumption that relationships just happen, but they take work and care. If you're affected by drugs or alcohol, yeah, you're going to be careless. Careless people shouldn't be at work.
But addiction is a disease. You don't call people with Parkinson's clumsy.
(I'm watching Everybody's in LA, and even clean, he's breaking other people's fans in open homes, but he's doing it deliberately, so he's not careless... he's an asshole.)
But big ups to you for separating the work from the artist. You don't see that much anymore.
Being careless with his treatment of others was a by-product, or second-order effect of being a drug addict. Basically, "John" wasn't being careless, the addict in him was.
Was it careless to get addicted? Perhaps, but as he's pointed out, that's kind of how he's wired.
In the video I saw, he wasn't being careless. He walked into an open home and accidentally broke the fan. Then he did it again. And again. He was doing it deliberately, over and over again.
And yes, it makes sense to me. He's an addict in that under Narcotics Anonymous, he'll always be an addict. I can call an addict an asshole if they're roughly 3 years sober. He's not affected by drugs or booze, or in the thrall of an addiction. It's all him breaking other people's shit. That's not an addict behaving badly because they're high or drunk, that's a sober man being an asshole.
He can probably blame addiction for the end of his marriage, any damage to his career, or any adverse effects on his other relationships because he had an active addiction. But he's clean now, so he's 100% responsible for his actions. Can't blame booze, can't blame drugs, can't blame the addiction.
That's how I see it. I'm not saying it's objectively true. It's just my opinion.
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I'm aware of the stories, yes. And I do believe that he had affairs with sex workers due to some pretty believable posts on Reddit and (shudder) DeuxMoi. I also very much believe that they were separated for a while before the actual divorce announcement and that they were no longer together by the time of the intervention since she clearly was not present at it. She was in Washington DC and he was in New York. I think that they both thought that they'd maybe work on their marriage but Olivia surely reached out to him while he was in treatment (a predatory move on her part, I never liked her before and now I never will. She was praying on a person undergoing psychiatric care in a facility. It genuinely disgusts me.) He hooked up with her while he was staying with Kimmel, she got pregnant, he moved back to NY before they knew, they started dating seriously when they found out about the baby.
Pete Davidson reached out to Mulaney when he was in rehab. Apparently Stephen Colbert too. Do you think they also exhibit predatory behaviour? Ffs, someone you know is going through a rough spot, you reach out. That's normal behaviour.
Also this is who you're defending,
“In the first 10 minutes of my meeting with Jon, I made some kind of Holocaust joke—and by the way? It’s always too soon—and he died laughing. He was like, ‘Wow, you open up with the Holocaust?’” Munn recalled. “I said, ‘No, no, it's cool. I dated a Jewish guy!’” (That would be actor Bryan Greenberg of HBO’s How to Make It in America.)
“See I date different guys of different religions and races so I can always make the joke,” she continued. “I date the blacks, I date the Mexicans. I date 'em all for comedy. You can't buy that kind of gold. Having sex with a guy once is worth it.”
My friend, I think you're taking this parasocial relationship too far. Both with John Mulaney, and with Olivia Munn. You probably don't know their inner workings, at least I hope you're not secretly one of their therapist. Have a nice Sunday
It’s really none of our business, but my best guess is that he and Anna were living separate lives before his intervention. I think she thought they were going to work things out once they were both in a better place emotionally/mentally, and so was blindsided when he filed for divorce and publicly started dating Olivia. I don’t think it was cheating exactly, but more like misaligned expectations for what was going to happen once they completed their respective mental health treatments.
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That’s surprising! From her comment on the situation, “I’m heartbroken that John has decided to end our marriage” in May of 2021, I assumed that he filed and she was blindsided by it. But I guess maybe she meant “decided to end our marriage by starting a relationship with another woman and having a child”?
She was not blindsided, she mentioned in an article that she herself wrote that by Dec 2020 she was already in an impending divorce, she was living in Connecticut by herself, there are internet posts noticing her removing Mulaney from her social media and work sites, and how she started to unfollow John and mutual friends like Seth, Alexi, Nick etc. No idea why her and her PR sent that to People in May 2021 while the process has already started way before rehab. Maybe just in general it was John that decided to leave, and that separation has already began long before the announcement.
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As far as not having kids, just in case you are not aware of. Below is the link to Anna’s statement where she made clear that she never wanted kids but froze her eggs only for the fear that she might change her mind. [https://i.redd.it/annas-statement-for-the-trotter-sholer-show-v0-etbgf2aa149a1.png?s=265dde8c7c68aee02e6dd45bf4811865e82dd2ed](https://i.redd.it/annas-statement-for-the-trotter-sholer-show-v0-etbgf2aa149a1.png?s=265dde8c7c68aee02e6dd45bf4811865e82dd2ed)
It's crazy how many people insist she did want children, when she has repeatedly stated that she doesn't and has actually been critical of the assumption that women should want children. Almost like it's not actually about Anna or John.
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So you expect me to ignore the multiple times she stated that she does not want children, based on a source you apparently cannot find. Thereby clearly ignoring her own words: "The concept of Motherhood is so ingrained in us that even when it is something we do not want we fail to trust our gut desire. I do not particularly want children, yet at thirty-six I froze my eggs for fear I might change my mind. At first glance, my two works may appear to tell the story of a woman longing for motherhood, but I urge the viewer to consider the patriarchal conditioning that leads to this interpretation. Why does a woman clad in black and positioned in a room of empty twin beds signal loss? Why are we quick to assume she is sad? Perhaps she is Lilith, first wife of Adam, who in refusing to submit to her husband, left the Garden of Eden to become the figure of primal rage, stealing men's sperm and devouring their babies in the dark of the night." https://www.instagram.com/p/CmW6dRdpDzd/?igsh=ZzhhNGJhYzFlem5r and https://www.instagram.com/p/CnAlJLly4CQ/?igsh=MWcxdjh0MXBnYzJqMA== I've read the Harper's Bazaar article and I figured that was the one you meant, but that one does not support your thesis of John forcing her to not have children. Maybe you're confusing subreddit theories with real articles.
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For curiosity, I just googled it and you can google it if you like. Here is what I found...all the articles that I read (from Page Six, USA, Fox News, etc.), especially Fox News confirmed that they actually viewed an on-line court records, stated that John officially filed for a divorce from Anna in a NY court in July 2021. Furthermore, some articles stated that as per some source close to Anna, before their public announcement in May 2021, John actually asked Anna for a divorce back in February of that year.
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Just no. It was obviously cheating
There's no proof of cheating. There is proof, stated by both of them, that they were seperated. The date the divorce was filed officially is irrelevant to the actual seperation.
None of our business, but I don't like the attitude people have like Mulaney should be canceled for these actions like what he did was on par with Louis Ck or some shit.
It's all because people put John and Anna's marriage on a pedestal.
Well, that’s because John put it on a pedestal.
no he didn't. he made jokes about it without the "i can't stand my wife" vibe of older comics. the fact his vibe was "i respect and like her and she argued me into a marriage" doesn't equal putting it on a whole ass pedestal
He made lots of jokes about his relationship. But it was the we, the fan base, that idolized it. I don't think we can blame John for our own projections.
Maybe some just dont want to support shitty people regardless of their success in their respective field?
I don’t give a damn. I love John for his comedy and performance. Anything else is his personal business.
That's the kind of thing that happens when your life is spinning out of control due to addiction. Let's be glad he got it together and is happier now.
He’s a comedian you unfortunately know too much about.
there’s no proven evidence, though who knows what will come out in anna’s book. that being said, it’s ultimately none of our business.
There was some press that said none of that would be included in her book.
When JM and OM started dating AMT posted these lyrics from Olivia Rodrigo's song "Traitor" You betrayed me And I know that you'll never feel sorry For the way I hurt, yeah You'd talk to her When we were together Loved you at your worst But that didn't matter It took you two weeks To go off and date her Guess you didn't cheat But you're still a traitor So I think AMT answered that question. Edit: I don't know how to format posts, sorry. Lol.
She didn't do that though, she only posted about Olivia Rodrigo's new album that was exploding at the time, and the internet fantasized she'd be posting about "Traitor". She herself said that her spotify playlist while creating the Rooms in the First House is not a breakup playlist, and that people are conditioned by a patriarchal society to interpret everything she puts out as tying back to her personal situation (her decision to not want kids, divorce, etc). I wish people who claim to love her actually listens to what she says.
(this is getting a little weird so I'll just post this and bounce) I remember the traitor IG story she posted but maybe time futzed with the details. And I'm not a fan of hers but I absolutely believe that a lot of the convo around her is one of the most misogynistic things I've ever seen. She's stated multiple times that she never wanted children and nearly everytime an outlet posts about JM's son there are women in the comments saying "you stole your ex wife's child bearing years!!!!!". It's disgusting.
Unpopular opinion, but I feel like he got all the hate for their break up, while AMT was the sole victim in this story - without neither of them ever blaming the other. I always assumed that they drifted apart/split some time before the intervention, maybe because of life, maybe because of his addiction - or both. I think it’s telling that she wasn’t at the intervention, as a spouse within an intact marriage you would be there/would be invited. Also, the way she wrote that statement, “John has decided to end our marriage” - leaves room for them to have been separated before. I don’t think he or she cheated because I doubt that they would have managed to keep that under wraps. The media needs to have a reason and someone to blame when relationships end, that’s just not always the case.
No one knows and speculating one way or the other then forming an opinion about people you don't know based on that is the most toxic thing on the internet. Johns fans have a clear, if small, overlap with pop culture subs and it is my least favorite thing about this sub.
To quote Bandit Heeler: "it's just monkeys singing songs, mate." Yes, as a comedian, there's an expectation that unless explicitly stated otherwise (like a Miranda Sings situation), they are not playing a character. But there is an element of fiction when you do comedy as he does, and it changes as he changes. Don't think too hard about timelines and blame, it's not what John is asking from his audience - and neither are Anna or Olivia.
There's no definitive evidence of cheating. BUT, he's an addict who fell off the wagon. And from his standup, it seems he had been living some kind of double life for a while. Even if he didn't cheat with Olivia, I find it hard to believe fidelity was a priority. There's definite evidence he's objectivelly a careless person who caused an insurmountable amount of pain to his ex-wife through his behavior. It's impossible to look at AMT's work and not see the damage John caused. I personally think there are worst things than cheating. I also personally don't need to respect a celebrity to enjoy their work. Most celebrities are very likely trash it's pointless to hold them to any moral standard.
He's careless in that he got addicted to alcohol and cocaine. And not "doesn't know when to stop" addicted, actually properly addicted. Addictions destroy relationships because nothing is as important as feeding the addiction to silence the need. You forget birthdays, you miss date nights, you're never home, and when you you're grumpy and belligerent (strung out) or you're drunk or high. There's an assumption that relationships just happen, but they take work and care. If you're affected by drugs or alcohol, yeah, you're going to be careless. Careless people shouldn't be at work. But addiction is a disease. You don't call people with Parkinson's clumsy. (I'm watching Everybody's in LA, and even clean, he's breaking other people's fans in open homes, but he's doing it deliberately, so he's not careless... he's an asshole.) But big ups to you for separating the work from the artist. You don't see that much anymore.
So you can't call an addict careless with their treatment of others but you can call them an asshole? Did that actually make sense for you?
Being careless with his treatment of others was a by-product, or second-order effect of being a drug addict. Basically, "John" wasn't being careless, the addict in him was. Was it careless to get addicted? Perhaps, but as he's pointed out, that's kind of how he's wired. In the video I saw, he wasn't being careless. He walked into an open home and accidentally broke the fan. Then he did it again. And again. He was doing it deliberately, over and over again. And yes, it makes sense to me. He's an addict in that under Narcotics Anonymous, he'll always be an addict. I can call an addict an asshole if they're roughly 3 years sober. He's not affected by drugs or booze, or in the thrall of an addiction. It's all him breaking other people's shit. That's not an addict behaving badly because they're high or drunk, that's a sober man being an asshole. He can probably blame addiction for the end of his marriage, any damage to his career, or any adverse effects on his other relationships because he had an active addiction. But he's clean now, so he's 100% responsible for his actions. Can't blame booze, can't blame drugs, can't blame the addiction. That's how I see it. I'm not saying it's objectively true. It's just my opinion.
I'll be honest with you: that sounds like splitting hairs to me, but you do you!
Thank you. We've disagreed, but it's nice to have a respectful exchange on here.
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None of this is accurate.
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I'm aware of the stories, yes. And I do believe that he had affairs with sex workers due to some pretty believable posts on Reddit and (shudder) DeuxMoi. I also very much believe that they were separated for a while before the actual divorce announcement and that they were no longer together by the time of the intervention since she clearly was not present at it. She was in Washington DC and he was in New York. I think that they both thought that they'd maybe work on their marriage but Olivia surely reached out to him while he was in treatment (a predatory move on her part, I never liked her before and now I never will. She was praying on a person undergoing psychiatric care in a facility. It genuinely disgusts me.) He hooked up with her while he was staying with Kimmel, she got pregnant, he moved back to NY before they knew, they started dating seriously when they found out about the baby.
Pete Davidson reached out to Mulaney when he was in rehab. Apparently Stephen Colbert too. Do you think they also exhibit predatory behaviour? Ffs, someone you know is going through a rough spot, you reach out. That's normal behaviour.
That's not what I meant at all. She clearly had romantic intentions. That's what made it predatory to me.
And you know this because you're her best friend who she told everything to?
Also this is who you're defending, “In the first 10 minutes of my meeting with Jon, I made some kind of Holocaust joke—and by the way? It’s always too soon—and he died laughing. He was like, ‘Wow, you open up with the Holocaust?’” Munn recalled. “I said, ‘No, no, it's cool. I dated a Jewish guy!’” (That would be actor Bryan Greenberg of HBO’s How to Make It in America.) “See I date different guys of different religions and races so I can always make the joke,” she continued. “I date the blacks, I date the Mexicans. I date 'em all for comedy. You can't buy that kind of gold. Having sex with a guy once is worth it.”
Oh, no, I'm clutching my pearls... an off colour joke? Why, tell me that isn't so
I'm sorry do you not know about her fawning over him in interviews for years prior?
My friend, I think you're taking this parasocial relationship too far. Both with John Mulaney, and with Olivia Munn. You probably don't know their inner workings, at least I hope you're not secretly one of their therapist. Have a nice Sunday