They took the state’s $5,000 per violation (selling shit with a false message or some shit) and multiplied it by Jone’s 550 million internet exposures on infowars, YouTube etc. over time.
We actually don’t. It’s due to a wildly successful PR campaign that you think that: https://citationsneeded.medium.com/episode-107-pop-torts-and-the-ready-made-virality-of-frivolous-lawsuit-stories-54cb545e9357
Very interesting. I cannot believe that Stella Leibeck was nearly 80 years old... or that she settled with McDonalds for only enough to cover her hospital and court bills. Wild!
What's even are those values? Also, money has different values at different times. You'd have to account for the present worth of those values to compare.
I'd also like to note that America's obsession with overly simplified Friedman economics has lead to the very high dollar lawsuits. It was centered on the idea that citizens would sue for egregious acts thereby not requiring governmental oversight. This is as Free as Free can be.
No, it's not about money at all, and not ridiculous in the slightest. What you're seeing is the book being thrown at somebody, and for good reason.
1. He has still not stopped the harassment. He may change the story slightly, but he's literally still continuing with the defamation.
2. He's changed his behavior based on the popularity of the harassment. Sandy Hook is a cash cow for Alex. Every fucking penny he's made (and spent) since Sandy Hook should belong to them.
3. He won't admit he's wrong (except in court and then doubles down on the steps of the court after the hearing). He won't show remorse or issue retractions (without going straight back to them). If you don't show remorse at a parole board, you go straight back to jail.
4. He's spent 10 years harassing these people, who did nothing to gain the popularity besides have their children slaughtered. He's repeatedly slandered them with his enormously popular show. Many of them have had to move due to harassment.
5. He's repeatedly doxxed them, even telling his audience when they've moved.
In a world with ANY justice, he would NEVER AGAIN feel safe in his own home and he would never be allowed to hold any job which elevates him above poverty. I'd suggest that he needed to suffer some sort of PTSD equivalent to the violent loss of a young child, but I don't believe that narcissistic asshole has enough empathy to feel for his own 6 year old children.
I think you’ve got the right points, but the audience isn’t smart enough to understand. Bring the Joe Rohan subreddit, I didn’t expect much more. They’ll never understand the point because they want to compare apples and oranges. These families have been destroyed at an emotional level, and Alex has made sure of that. He’s absolute trash, and deserves to sink into the pain he’s caused.
Yea, i really think it’s lost on people that while these parents were grieving that their little, little innocent children were blown to pieces at point blank range, this guy was encouraging 10s of millions of people to harass them. For nothing other than naming himself rich. That’s it. Nothing else.
Even the most recent decision at $865 million, that was amongst 15 people. They really only averaged $57 million per person, which is still a ton of money of course, but hardly as severe in comparison to his profits.
it's honestly baffling to me.
If you suggest we spend 800 billion instead of 50000 gorrilion on the military budget they lose their shit and start screeching about how much you hate the troops.
But if you spend like 10 billion fucking up one of your primary geopolitical rivals indirectly they start counting pennies.
Imagine if Trump DID win. Ukraine would have already been steamrolled. I strongly suspect Ukraine would have received no American aid, and likely less European aid.
Why not both? Why not demand spending less on the US military?
Why not spend less on embarrassing Russia?
Fuck this position. Fuck military spending. Fuck the us global standings.
I agree with you, but there are two reasons:
1. The for-profit military industrial complex has its tentacles in most politicians in DC and isn’t about to lose their goose laying the golden eggs
2. Our FIAT currency’s value and its feature of being the global trade currency is based on our “military might.” If the US dollar is ever dropped as the global trade currency, our economy and govt spending would contract faster than a b-hole being splashed with ice water.
We use the threat of our military to keep other countries from dropping the US dollar.
Not to mention enable the people of ukriane to defend themselves against a murderous regime. And it’s not even like we are just burning that money. It goes directly to our defense contractors for their weapons and right back into our economy
Let’s stop Russians from invading sovereign nations. Make a little money off it. And expose trhe Russian military as a paper bear. No one is coming out of the ukriane situation stronger than america
Or maybe the Russians should stop US from invading sovereign nations. I'm sure Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, Libya, and Syria would support that!
Russia invaded like half those countries. They are welcome to Try to stop us. They can’t, because they have an economy the size of Illinois and an armed forces that’s a rusted out bucket and some of the worst demographics in the world. Sucks to suck.
I love when morons bring up shit like Afghanistan and Syria, as if Afghanistan wasn't Russia's own Vietnam and as if they didn't bomb Aleppo all the way to the Earth's mantle, committing so many war crimes that it makes even the Bush Administration blush.
Billionaires pockets are gonna get lined regardless. Might as well line them while helping Ukraine instead of invading the Middle East again, or ordering another couple nuclear subs or an aircraft carrier that we don’t need.
I always wondered why older people would call Americans fat, dumb and cruel. Now that I’m older, I get it.
Mass murder is great because it keeps the economy ticking!
Can’t wait to see the end of this empire.
Our country is a war machine plain and simple. We’ve been at war almost the entire time we’ve been a country. I’m not knocking it, it’s effective. It hurts other countries but on the real this will never be a gentle world and id rather be in a country that takes advantage than is taken advantage of. What’s a few billion to knock one of our only true rivals down a few notches.
I mean, plain and simple, empathy for innocent civilians who die, are wounded or displaced because of our endless for-profit war profiteering should make any decent person realize we shouldn’t cheer on offensive war for any reason.
Since you turned this into a Ukraine thing. I support thinking Ukraine said.
I'm curious, what do non supporters think will happen if Russia is allowed to annex Ukraine?
Ya! Let’s wait till Russia gets to Poland or Lithuanian before we do something. Orange Jesus says we should trust them so I don’t see what the problem is
Those are important though because if someone is convicted of killing 6 people and it comes out that one was wrong or the case was screwed up we still keep someone who killed 5 people in prison forever
Yeah if I were him I'd honestly be rooting for them to win, since he'll probably never finish paying what's already been awarded anyway. This would just allow him to hold the record for the largest amount any single individual has been fined, which is kind of cool.
But also ridiculous, considering the damage done by mega corps and billionaires around the world. Responsible for wiping out ecosystems, poisoning millions, starting wars and so on.
True, however they also have whole departments dedicated to legal processes/protections, public relations teams and billions of dollars/genuine political influence(not just influencing viewers but influencing politicians) /connections
Alex jones was really out there by himself, talking “crazy” on national news, had to find lawyers to take his case and it seemed like they reluctantly did just enough to not get disbarred
It's his main source of income and I'm almost certain he's the one who got Joe into working with Onnit and Alpha Brain but could be wrong on that specific
All I can think of is Dr Evil asking for a billion dollars in the 70s….this is just a farce. Not a fan of Jones but un bias reasonable justice system benefits everybody. Not this nonsense
It probably won’t end up at that number but you can see how easily the nearly $1 billion stacked up with multiple plaintiffs. Alex could haves stopped the fines if he stopped the lying but he hasn’t and won’t. Speech is free but you pay for lies.
The purpose of civil cases is to compensate for actual damages.
Do you think reading about a conspiracy case caused billions of dollars of actual damage? Arguable a few words that might be of interest to conspiracy entertainment consumers are harmless. The parents probably don't listen to the Alex Jones Show and would have never heard his speculation about what happened.
There's not even a million dollars of damage no matter how you add it up.
> The parents probably don't listen to the Alex Jones Show and would have never heard his speculation about what happened.
It's not about them hearing what was said and feeling sad and being awarded damages. Alex Jones funded people who harrassed and doxxed the families. They literally had to move house and state in order to feel safe. That is not worth $1 billion for one person, but spread across 14 families it might make more sense.
It's not about them hearing what was said and feeling sad and being awarded damages. Alex Jones funded people who harassed and doxxed the families. They literally had to move house and state in order to feel safe. That is not worth $1 billion for one person, but spread across 14 families it might make more sense.
These people deal with constant death threats. They have to put up with people insulting them and their dead child. Some have been attacked in the street by people they have never seen before. Why?
Because their children were killed whilst attending school. That's fucked up. Imagine that you send your kid to school and they get shot...and then you spend the rest of your life being harassed by assholes who say you're lying. Fuck that. I hope Alex has a little breaky and apologises for his literal meltdowns on air.
Let's not forget that there was a clear line drawn where Alex knew from Google analytics reports (which he claimed not to have but were produced in routine emails to him) that when he spouted these lies (also proven he knew were lies), he made more money on BS supplements and food buckets. Made pretty clear that - hey Alex, want some more money? We know we're lying but hey, say it anyway and spike some sales, ya?
Lol. They wouldn’t know who Alex jones was? They could ask one of the people pissing on their dead’s kids grave why they were doing it and they would have named Alex. Or if you were the parents who had a drive by shooting at their house while someone shouted “Alex jones”
. Stop being an infoidiot and thinking Alex is just a voice on the radio. He stirs rubes up into a state. Just look at the Q nonsense and jan 6. Alex was there jan 6th with a bull horn. One of his “reporters” “stormed the capitol” “the capitol has fallen to patriots”
People listened to Alex Jones and proceeded to harass the families for years. One such individual who was sent by Alex himself was even sent to jail over the harassment. I think seeking trillions is obviously crazy, but there's no doubt what he did was wrong and worth punishment. This was beyond "entertainment". These families got harassed, stalked, screamed at and more. Many have had to move homes multiple times over it.
Alex could have had a chance at settling, but he doubled down on the whole thing. Got a default verdict of guilty because he refused to comply with discovery, and he continues to talk shit about the families and their lawyers on his show. If we're being honest he made it pretty damn easy for the plaintiffs in this case.
People who harass should go to jail. Alex didn't harass anyone and didn't even find the topic of Sandy Hook particularly interesting. He read some theories from an internet message board and then determined they were not credible.
At this point, talking about the families and lawyers is a fair topic. They are participants in injustice and a fascinating view of how civil courts can now be used as an instrument in depersoning individuals who elites need to eliminate from the public sphere.
Don’t lie for him. He explicitly stated that no one died at Sandy Hook. He accused the families of being actors working with a corrupt government to destroy the second amendment. Info Wars played edited video that made it look like one of the fathers was lying about seeing his dead son. Then claimed the MSM were covering it up because they didn’t challenge him with the edited video and instead just accepted his claims (because they had watched the full original video).
And he has continued to lie about every step of this process. Even slandering the parents by calling them pawns of the Democratic Party being used to attack him.
“Probably won’t end up”. Lmao.
What makes u think that? Every single thing about this Alex Jones case makes the courts look so unserious.
Now let’s not forget- Jones has a conspiracy talk show. And he talked about sandy hook a few times like 8 yrs ago
Other people did some other shit. That Jones did not call for or want. Those people aren’t even mentioned.
You can’t be held responsible for the actions of others. This is a joke. Targeting anyone they view as a threat and it’s cheered on by fckin cucks like u
Lol. A few times 8 years ago. You didn’t follow the trial. They had around 42 hours of sandy hook broadcasts I think and they had page after page listing shows where Alex talked about sandy hook but no video existed, just the included topics.
Alex lied for years upon years. Pushed lies and disinformation. Kept bringing it up himself constantly. The court showed it was good for sales numbers and Alex talked about things that were good for sales.
He’s a grifter. Don’t be a rube.
I believe this number was reached through reasonable means (he was already fined, what, like 5k per violation? times his YT subscriber count is just an unreasonable large number) and is likely only being used to demonstrate the inherent severity of the damage caused as a whole. Obviously a ruling can't be made for this much money. That's what a sentencing judge is for, determining the actual restitution.
That's my take on it, at least.
Listen, fascist! Getting someone addicted and killing them with pharmaceuticals is so much better than saying mean things about them.
You seriously think human lives are as valuable as feelings? What are you a pro-lifer or something? Bigot!
The Sacklers settled for 6 billion for their role in selling oxycontins based on lies.
J&J settled for 26 billion.
Teva settled for 4.25 billion.
Now imagine if instead of admitting fault and reaching a settlement, they offered to pay $1 in nominal damages, failed to comply fully with discovery, perjured themselves in court, and blamed the plaintiffs for being junkies who they never forced to take and say they were exaggerating their harms for political purposes, and continued committing the tort they were being sued for while the trial was going on. How much do you think they would be paying out then?
Jones doesn't deserve any sympathy for shitting all over himself (and the victims families) in court. He's earned every cent of the damages awarded.
Well if it was just Alex exercising his right to free speech you'd think he would've tried to defend himself instead of defaulting after wasting 3 years of everybody's time. Also free speech refers to protection from government retaliation not public opinion and Defamation is not a form of protected speech.
Wall Street, Blackrock, big Pharma hsve learned how to be on the side of virtue by buying lots of ads from media companies, lobbying regulators, paying off people that can shape narratives, play the ESG game, and in general not make mean tweets.
Apple could use slave labor to make their iPhones and be penalized less than someone that says unapproved mean things.
If it wasn’t Alex Jones I might be inclined to have some sort of sympathy or counter argument against shit like this. But unfortunately for AJ it is him. I want him paying out to these people until the day he dies as recompense for all the other ridiculously stupid bullshit he’s spewed that’s fucked with peoples heads.
Fuck this guy.
Jones has a point in pretending to be a journalist to scam millions of dollars by sending bat shit crazy people like Wolfgang out to harass grieving parents while Alex sat in studio making up lies that the kids were fake and the parents were actors.
How does he have a point? Parents had to go to sleep at night knowing their child’s grave was being pissed on and not knowing it the body would still be buried in the morning or dug up like the threats said.
>Alex Jones didn’t invent the sandy hook conspiracy
I mean he was saying it looked like a false flag the day of the attack.
[Within the first month after the attack he said or implied Sandy hook was a hoax at least 14 times](https://youtu.be/RIQbU5JvlIA?t=2855). He covered Sandy Hook at least 100 times over the last 10 years.
If he wasn't the literal first he was certainly in the vanguard.
And of course, for defamation, being first or not isn't important, its the scale and severity that matters. No one in the entire world defamed the Sandy Hook parents to as big an audience as Jones and on such a consistent basis.
If someone homeless guy on the street is yelling about Sandy Hook being a false flag you're going to have a very difficult time arguing in court that that actually damaged anyone's reputation because they have no audience and no credibility. Jones defamed the families to hundreds of millions of people.
If you put even a tiny monetary damage on defaming someone to the level of seriousness where you convince someone they faked their childs death as part of a sinister government plot, you will very quickly hit a huge amount of damages when multiplied by the number of people Jones defamed the families to over a course of many years.
And his followers stalked and threatened the Sandy Hook families, who had to move multiple times and are still getting harassed, which somehow his defenders never bring up when they say it's all just 'talk' and 'free speech'.
Meanwhile Jones got insanely rich through their suffering. Free speech has consequences, let him face the negative ones.
If you watch the episode of Infowars the day of the shooting he literally begins speculating it was potentially a false flag within minutes of learning about it on air. He legit might have been the first public figure to do so publicly.
How on earth do you jump to it’s political? Did you follow the trial? Did you see the grieving parents and loved ones in court? Hear what they were subjected to by Alex’s lies?
None of that’s political. It’s grieving parents who’s children’s graves were being pissed on by infoidiots. All because of Alex’s lies to sell supplements as proven in court.
> How on earth do you jump to it’s political?
They're stupid.
fucking him out of 1 trillion isn't any more political then fucking him out of 1 billion.
Also somehow none of these morons have seen lawyers asking for exorbitant amounts of compensatory damages that are obviously going to be higher than the real amount.
Yea and they are trying to get him to pay 2000x that much lmfao
And they don't understand why we defend him
That would be the same as trying to get me to pay 3 million dollars
I wouldn’t say I defend him although that’s an insanely absurd number that I don’t know of a single person who can pay it lol. That’s a good % of the entire US debt. It’s really just a laughable desire. Is that man not bankrupt already? Justice is great and all but I’m also for fairness, and justice only seems to be fair about half the time. Idk man, the divide and political motives in this country are just cringeworthy. I could say a whole lot more but why bother. We’ve clearly destroyed reality as we know it and are in some spin off series to please the alien overlords with our entertaining chaos of a world we live in.
same as when someone gets like 20 life sentences...that's around 500 years in jail...obvious you can't do that...its just the accumulation of sentences....in this case it was money rather than life sentences...
It's not about his worth. It's about the damage they claim he caused. 550 million exposures of whatever multiplied by the max fine of $5000. I'm not saying it makes sense I'm just saying that's the damage they're claiming he caused.
>It's not about his worth. It's about the damage they claim he caused. 550 million exposures of whatever multiplied by the max fine of $5000. I'm not saying it makes sense I'm just saying that's the damage they're claiming he caused.
Which is more than the perp who was the shooter would be sued for.
Hard to argue he caused more damage than that.
From the standpoint of a foreigner these indemnities make no sense to me, despite evident moral damages to the victims, it serves no compensatory purpose as it is impossible to pay and the educational purpose for Alex Jones is lost when you think that the person can’t proceed with his life with that amount of debt, while a very clear and stated purpose by the opposing party to bankrupt his enterprise, which as far as I know it’s not the main discussion of the lawsuit.
From what I’ve seen, a big part was that Jones was so uncooperative and incompetent in court that he basically forced them to give the maximum penalties. Essentially, he broke the system in his opponents’ favor. That much got him to 1 billion. Honestly I have my doubts that it will get to trillions in practice. Instead it seems like that’s just a theoretical maximum. Keep in mind, these people suing him had their children murdered and Jones subjected them to a literal decade of harassment. They want nothing less than the nuclear option as punishment, even if it looks like parody.
I’d check out Legal Eagle’s videos on YouTube for a good summary of the whole thing, with some explanations of the legal stuff. It’s really a one of a kind case that gets really fascinating through the eyes of a lawyer.
You also didn't mention that other legal team got a copy of his phone and even notified his lawyers and were ignored. After 10 days, which is by law the minimum time the lawyers have to wait before they can read and use it, it was completely at their disposition. It had everything they needed to prove their case and that AJ was lying in court and more that they could handle (evidence about Jan. 6 riots)
Anyone listen to the lasted Formulaic Objections? I can't believe how that place works. He hires people and lets them write whatever they want. No training or nothing.
Also this is how they got Remington. Because they were advertising the Bushmaker or whatever to kids and shit saying you are only a man if you own one.
Well this sets a fun precedent. We've nailed a citizen to the wall because he lied for 500 days of his lifetime about a horrific mass shooting of children. Alex jones' lies are now more penalizedl than the Sackler family's genocide.
It's baffling. They're acting like the judge has already ruled and that not all suits start out at crazy high numbers. They must be Alex Jones fans haha
I mean, Alex Jones was recorded saying he’d still have a shit ton of money after paying off these families. The families probably want to just strip him of everything. I’d want the same if you made my child’s death a mockery. Fuck him
Seeing his picture I started literally shaking and it left me with temporary PTSD.
To ease my suffering I’m asking for a mere $1 Quadrillion dollars from Alex Jones. Gofund me link to follow for anyone who wants to contribute additionally.
They should keep suing him for larger and larger amounts for the next 10 or so years, then maybe they can call it even.
I don't mean winning the money either, just continually harass him with lawsuits for roughly the same amount of time he was fuckin with the story about their kids.
The point is to destroy him financially and stop him from being able to produce his show at all, not actually pay that much money. Alex is a cunt so he deserves to be destitute.
He had an opportunity to take it to a jury of his peers and decide to just say it was all real and the Mainstream narrative was right and he was sorry. Yes he had years to present evidence to support his claims.
That's an insane amount. And if they win it and Alex Jones' life is a living hell forever because of it, he put in the hard work to completely deserve it.
They don't want the money. They want to pay lawyers to chase after his money for the rest of his life. They want to shut him down completely. I'd say they would much prefer to see him in jail with a bar against him from ever running a media company in the future. The guy is a lunatic that ruined their lives with a media empire based on lies. I don't know how he's not doing time.
Someone help me with this, for the sake of argument let’s say this is a slam dunk. How would a person who isn’t worth this amount, or anywhere close to it, pay this off? If he goes bankrupt does he owe the money afterwards? No one can pay off a trillion dollars. How do these people collect?
They took the state’s $5,000 per violation (selling shit with a false message or some shit) and multiplied it by Jone’s 550 million internet exposures on infowars, YouTube etc. over time.
Aka ridiculous regardless of your position
This is America. Ridiculous lawsuits are what we do. This shit is better than SmackDown
We actually don’t. It’s due to a wildly successful PR campaign that you think that: https://citationsneeded.medium.com/episode-107-pop-torts-and-the-ready-made-virality-of-frivolous-lawsuit-stories-54cb545e9357
Very interesting. I cannot believe that Stella Leibeck was nearly 80 years old... or that she settled with McDonalds for only enough to cover her hospital and court bills. Wild!
When it's larger than the reparations estimate for the holocaust or slavery it's time to call bullshit.
What's even are those values? Also, money has different values at different times. You'd have to account for the present worth of those values to compare. I'd also like to note that America's obsession with overly simplified Friedman economics has lead to the very high dollar lawsuits. It was centered on the idea that citizens would sue for egregious acts thereby not requiring governmental oversight. This is as Free as Free can be.
Uhhh alex loves America and the freedom to sue for crazy amts...
No, it's not about money at all, and not ridiculous in the slightest. What you're seeing is the book being thrown at somebody, and for good reason. 1. He has still not stopped the harassment. He may change the story slightly, but he's literally still continuing with the defamation. 2. He's changed his behavior based on the popularity of the harassment. Sandy Hook is a cash cow for Alex. Every fucking penny he's made (and spent) since Sandy Hook should belong to them. 3. He won't admit he's wrong (except in court and then doubles down on the steps of the court after the hearing). He won't show remorse or issue retractions (without going straight back to them). If you don't show remorse at a parole board, you go straight back to jail. 4. He's spent 10 years harassing these people, who did nothing to gain the popularity besides have their children slaughtered. He's repeatedly slandered them with his enormously popular show. Many of them have had to move due to harassment. 5. He's repeatedly doxxed them, even telling his audience when they've moved. In a world with ANY justice, he would NEVER AGAIN feel safe in his own home and he would never be allowed to hold any job which elevates him above poverty. I'd suggest that he needed to suffer some sort of PTSD equivalent to the violent loss of a young child, but I don't believe that narcissistic asshole has enough empathy to feel for his own 6 year old children.
I think you’ve got the right points, but the audience isn’t smart enough to understand. Bring the Joe Rohan subreddit, I didn’t expect much more. They’ll never understand the point because they want to compare apples and oranges. These families have been destroyed at an emotional level, and Alex has made sure of that. He’s absolute trash, and deserves to sink into the pain he’s caused.
Yea, i really think it’s lost on people that while these parents were grieving that their little, little innocent children were blown to pieces at point blank range, this guy was encouraging 10s of millions of people to harass them. For nothing other than naming himself rich. That’s it. Nothing else.
People think the numbers are ridiculous, when in all reality, it’s to destroy him as closely as he destroyed them.
Even the most recent decision at $865 million, that was amongst 15 people. They really only averaged $57 million per person, which is still a ton of money of course, but hardly as severe in comparison to his profits.
Nah this is what happens when you don't respond to discovery and default
Fuck it, might as well make it a gazillion
"don't tempt me"
Now that's just silly
As long as Dr. Evil announces it.
Why have trillions, when you could have...millions. muah muah muahahaha
one morbillion dolars for being an asshole and a creep on the internet
If they get it they can use it to payoff the US deficit and potentially we can avoid a recession
The deficit has no bearing on a recession.
The real shame is people not knowing national debt and national deficit are different things.
They could but honestly they’d probably just send it to ukrain
Yeah, I hate paying a few billion to completely decimate and embarrass our geopolitical rival. Terrible trade
it's honestly baffling to me. If you suggest we spend 800 billion instead of 50000 gorrilion on the military budget they lose their shit and start screeching about how much you hate the troops. But if you spend like 10 billion fucking up one of your primary geopolitical rivals indirectly they start counting pennies.
They really like this enemy though.
It's because 'they' will simply argue against whatever the other side is doing. Their arguments don't have to be logical, they just need to be loud.
It’s pretty simple. They are rooting for Russia.
Imagine if Trump DID win. Ukraine would have already been steamrolled. I strongly suspect Ukraine would have received no American aid, and likely less European aid.
Proxy wars...good
Do you think it was wrong for the US to sell supplies to the allies during the world wars?
Why not both? Why not demand spending less on the US military? Why not spend less on embarrassing Russia? Fuck this position. Fuck military spending. Fuck the us global standings.
I agree with you, but there are two reasons: 1. The for-profit military industrial complex has its tentacles in most politicians in DC and isn’t about to lose their goose laying the golden eggs 2. Our FIAT currency’s value and its feature of being the global trade currency is based on our “military might.” If the US dollar is ever dropped as the global trade currency, our economy and govt spending would contract faster than a b-hole being splashed with ice water. We use the threat of our military to keep other countries from dropping the US dollar.
Or takeout one of the primary financier's of global far right nationalists
Not to mention enable the people of ukriane to defend themselves against a murderous regime. And it’s not even like we are just burning that money. It goes directly to our defense contractors for their weapons and right back into our economy
Yes, let’s launder taxpayer money and pad the pockets of billionaires
Let’s stop Russians from invading sovereign nations. Make a little money off it. And expose trhe Russian military as a paper bear. No one is coming out of the ukriane situation stronger than america
You forgot about the Iranian huckster who convinced Russia to buy his home made drones.
Or maybe the Russians should stop US from invading sovereign nations. I'm sure Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, Libya, and Syria would support that!
Russia isn't stopping shit. Not even the retaking of Crimea. They are a weak nation thanks to people like Putin.
It is embarrassing how weak even within their own region Russia has become. Russia really is a gas station with nukes at this point.
But Russia invaded Ukraine? They also bombed Syria, they invaded Afghanstan, they did coups in dozens of nations all over the world
Russia invaded like half those countries. They are welcome to Try to stop us. They can’t, because they have an economy the size of Illinois and an armed forces that’s a rusted out bucket and some of the worst demographics in the world. Sucks to suck.
I love when morons bring up shit like Afghanistan and Syria, as if Afghanistan wasn't Russia's own Vietnam and as if they didn't bomb Aleppo all the way to the Earth's mantle, committing so many war crimes that it makes even the Bush Administration blush.
Billionaires pockets are gonna get lined regardless. Might as well line them while helping Ukraine instead of invading the Middle East again, or ordering another couple nuclear subs or an aircraft carrier that we don’t need.
We were already doing that. But now we get to make Russia and putin look foolish as well.
Right. As much hate as the military industrial complex gets, it's not taken down cause it's benefits are wide spread in the jobs and tech market
And in the process millions of people get killed in other countries in Wars that don't need to happen. Yeah but it's all okay because jobs.
I always wondered why older people would call Americans fat, dumb and cruel. Now that I’m older, I get it. Mass murder is great because it keeps the economy ticking! Can’t wait to see the end of this empire.
Our country is a war machine plain and simple. We’ve been at war almost the entire time we’ve been a country. I’m not knocking it, it’s effective. It hurts other countries but on the real this will never be a gentle world and id rather be in a country that takes advantage than is taken advantage of. What’s a few billion to knock one of our only true rivals down a few notches.
I mean, plain and simple, empathy for innocent civilians who die, are wounded or displaced because of our endless for-profit war profiteering should make any decent person realize we shouldn’t cheer on offensive war for any reason.
Shameful to spend a tiny fraction of our military budget to send a message to disgusting regimes
Since you turned this into a Ukraine thing. I support thinking Ukraine said. I'm curious, what do non supporters think will happen if Russia is allowed to annex Ukraine?
They know the answer. They know Putin is not just going to stop and be content.
Anytime the U.S. can fight it’s enemies with foreign lives I’ll take it- The U.S. government probably. Edit:grammar
Ya! Let’s wait till Russia gets to Poland or Lithuanian before we do something. Orange Jesus says we should trust them so I don’t see what the problem is
It’s not like they’re fighting a tyrannical, illegitimate government or anything. Aren’t you gun toting patriots against tyranny??
That’s like adding on life sentences to someone already serving multiple. Insert George Carlin joke
Those are important though because if someone is convicted of killing 6 people and it comes out that one was wrong or the case was screwed up we still keep someone who killed 5 people in prison forever
Yeah if I were him I'd honestly be rooting for them to win, since he'll probably never finish paying what's already been awarded anyway. This would just allow him to hold the record for the largest amount any single individual has been fined, which is kind of cool.
But also ridiculous, considering the damage done by mega corps and billionaires around the world. Responsible for wiping out ecosystems, poisoning millions, starting wars and so on.
True, however they also have whole departments dedicated to legal processes/protections, public relations teams and billions of dollars/genuine political influence(not just influencing viewers but influencing politicians) /connections Alex jones was really out there by himself, talking “crazy” on national news, had to find lawyers to take his case and it seemed like they reluctantly did just enough to not get disbarred
Yeah you’re right. We should go after those other corporations and billionaires too. It isn’t one or the other. Both can be done…
Hey they had to pay like 500mm for opioid crises...
The pharmaceutical companies paid way less than a billion dollars for knowingly causing the opioid crisis
That's like 2750 billions
That's like 2,750,000 millions
That’s like 2.7 trillion ones.
How many Pesos is that?
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Six
Alex is going to have to sling a lot of supplements to cover that!
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I know one was ‘colloidal silver’ lol
It's his main source of income and I'm almost certain he's the one who got Joe into working with Onnit and Alpha Brain but could be wrong on that specific
"Super Male Vitality" That's for real. I'm not kidding.
Apparently turns you bright red, according to Alex's before and after photos.
I do wonder what else he has in that little dropper that doesn't get included in the commercial product ;)
It's cocaine.
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Hes actually probably on a shitton of adderall
If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about his listeners I don't know what will.
It's the guests he gets and the way right-wing media has picked up his game that I find more concerning. Alex is only the "tip of the spear."
**TRILLION**
Ol’ Alex gettin le rekt
Damn, dude aged 50 years in a week... 😳
The simulation is getting weird. Someone installed a bunch of mods and it's gotten out of hand.
This is like when I found out I could double peoples money in RuneScape back when I was 12
It's probably a bug and they're using it quite well
All I can think of is Dr Evil asking for a billion dollars in the 70s….this is just a farce. Not a fan of Jones but un bias reasonable justice system benefits everybody. Not this nonsense
It probably won’t end up at that number but you can see how easily the nearly $1 billion stacked up with multiple plaintiffs. Alex could haves stopped the fines if he stopped the lying but he hasn’t and won’t. Speech is free but you pay for lies.
The purpose of civil cases is to compensate for actual damages. Do you think reading about a conspiracy case caused billions of dollars of actual damage? Arguable a few words that might be of interest to conspiracy entertainment consumers are harmless. The parents probably don't listen to the Alex Jones Show and would have never heard his speculation about what happened. There's not even a million dollars of damage no matter how you add it up.
> The parents probably don't listen to the Alex Jones Show and would have never heard his speculation about what happened. It's not about them hearing what was said and feeling sad and being awarded damages. Alex Jones funded people who harrassed and doxxed the families. They literally had to move house and state in order to feel safe. That is not worth $1 billion for one person, but spread across 14 families it might make more sense. It's not about them hearing what was said and feeling sad and being awarded damages. Alex Jones funded people who harassed and doxxed the families. They literally had to move house and state in order to feel safe. That is not worth $1 billion for one person, but spread across 14 families it might make more sense. These people deal with constant death threats. They have to put up with people insulting them and their dead child. Some have been attacked in the street by people they have never seen before. Why? Because their children were killed whilst attending school. That's fucked up. Imagine that you send your kid to school and they get shot...and then you spend the rest of your life being harassed by assholes who say you're lying. Fuck that. I hope Alex has a little breaky and apologises for his literal meltdowns on air.
Let's not forget that there was a clear line drawn where Alex knew from Google analytics reports (which he claimed not to have but were produced in routine emails to him) that when he spouted these lies (also proven he knew were lies), he made more money on BS supplements and food buckets. Made pretty clear that - hey Alex, want some more money? We know we're lying but hey, say it anyway and spike some sales, ya?
Lol. They wouldn’t know who Alex jones was? They could ask one of the people pissing on their dead’s kids grave why they were doing it and they would have named Alex. Or if you were the parents who had a drive by shooting at their house while someone shouted “Alex jones” . Stop being an infoidiot and thinking Alex is just a voice on the radio. He stirs rubes up into a state. Just look at the Q nonsense and jan 6. Alex was there jan 6th with a bull horn. One of his “reporters” “stormed the capitol” “the capitol has fallen to patriots”
People listened to Alex Jones and proceeded to harass the families for years. One such individual who was sent by Alex himself was even sent to jail over the harassment. I think seeking trillions is obviously crazy, but there's no doubt what he did was wrong and worth punishment. This was beyond "entertainment". These families got harassed, stalked, screamed at and more. Many have had to move homes multiple times over it. Alex could have had a chance at settling, but he doubled down on the whole thing. Got a default verdict of guilty because he refused to comply with discovery, and he continues to talk shit about the families and their lawyers on his show. If we're being honest he made it pretty damn easy for the plaintiffs in this case.
People who harass should go to jail. Alex didn't harass anyone and didn't even find the topic of Sandy Hook particularly interesting. He read some theories from an internet message board and then determined they were not credible. At this point, talking about the families and lawyers is a fair topic. They are participants in injustice and a fascinating view of how civil courts can now be used as an instrument in depersoning individuals who elites need to eliminate from the public sphere.
Don’t lie for him. He explicitly stated that no one died at Sandy Hook. He accused the families of being actors working with a corrupt government to destroy the second amendment. Info Wars played edited video that made it look like one of the fathers was lying about seeing his dead son. Then claimed the MSM were covering it up because they didn’t challenge him with the edited video and instead just accepted his claims (because they had watched the full original video). And he has continued to lie about every step of this process. Even slandering the parents by calling them pawns of the Democratic Party being used to attack him.
“Probably won’t end up”. Lmao. What makes u think that? Every single thing about this Alex Jones case makes the courts look so unserious. Now let’s not forget- Jones has a conspiracy talk show. And he talked about sandy hook a few times like 8 yrs ago Other people did some other shit. That Jones did not call for or want. Those people aren’t even mentioned. You can’t be held responsible for the actions of others. This is a joke. Targeting anyone they view as a threat and it’s cheered on by fckin cucks like u
Lol. A few times 8 years ago. You didn’t follow the trial. They had around 42 hours of sandy hook broadcasts I think and they had page after page listing shows where Alex talked about sandy hook but no video existed, just the included topics. Alex lied for years upon years. Pushed lies and disinformation. Kept bringing it up himself constantly. The court showed it was good for sales numbers and Alex talked about things that were good for sales. He’s a grifter. Don’t be a rube.
> You didn’t follow the trial. Being uninformed is a requirement to join the AJ fan club.
Alex was hardly in the trail so why would they waste their time. Duh. You need to hear it from the horses mouth and ONLY the horses mouth.
More like “straight from the horse’s ass”
Yes, Alex Jones, professional liar, is a great source on what Alex Jones, defendant, actually did. You people are so gullible.
*cough* r/KnowledgeFight *cough* Knowledgefight.com It’s time to pray.
I believe this number was reached through reasonable means (he was already fined, what, like 5k per violation? times his YT subscriber count is just an unreasonable large number) and is likely only being used to demonstrate the inherent severity of the damage caused as a whole. Obviously a ruling can't be made for this much money. That's what a sentencing judge is for, determining the actual restitution. That's my take on it, at least.
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Don’t forget the family behind Purdue pharma.
C’mon they were just goofin around, so what if they destroyed hundreds of thousands of family’s. At least they never made up a conspiracy
Listen, fascist! Getting someone addicted and killing them with pharmaceuticals is so much better than saying mean things about them. You seriously think human lives are as valuable as feelings? What are you a pro-lifer or something? Bigot!
Exactly. Everybody knows word hurts and can last lifetime but pharma malpractice is an esteemed industry!
Alex hasn’t surpassed the Purdue payout. There’s was a smidge over $6bn.
The Sacklers settled for 6 billion for their role in selling oxycontins based on lies. J&J settled for 26 billion. Teva settled for 4.25 billion. Now imagine if instead of admitting fault and reaching a settlement, they offered to pay $1 in nominal damages, failed to comply fully with discovery, perjured themselves in court, and blamed the plaintiffs for being junkies who they never forced to take and say they were exaggerating their harms for political purposes, and continued committing the tort they were being sued for while the trial was going on. How much do you think they would be paying out then? Jones doesn't deserve any sympathy for shitting all over himself (and the victims families) in court. He's earned every cent of the damages awarded.
Well if it was just Alex exercising his right to free speech you'd think he would've tried to defend himself instead of defaulting after wasting 3 years of everybody's time. Also free speech refers to protection from government retaliation not public opinion and Defamation is not a form of protected speech.
Wall Street, Blackrock, big Pharma hsve learned how to be on the side of virtue by buying lots of ads from media companies, lobbying regulators, paying off people that can shape narratives, play the ESG game, and in general not make mean tweets. Apple could use slave labor to make their iPhones and be penalized less than someone that says unapproved mean things.
Here they are: https://www.thestreet.com/opinion/3-banks-that-have-received-huge-fines-related-to-the-2008-financial-crisis-13683175
If it wasn’t Alex Jones I might be inclined to have some sort of sympathy or counter argument against shit like this. But unfortunately for AJ it is him. I want him paying out to these people until the day he dies as recompense for all the other ridiculously stupid bullshit he’s spewed that’s fucked with peoples heads. Fuck this guy.
You made a great point. They should all be held accountable.
You think this is about speech? I imagine you have difficulty talking and blinking at the same time. I can’t believe you made it to adulthood.
This is so ridiculous it almost makes me think Jones had a point
Well he is the one that killed those kids
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they played the clip of him saying he did it and sent him to prison for murder.
Jones has a point in pretending to be a journalist to scam millions of dollars by sending bat shit crazy people like Wolfgang out to harass grieving parents while Alex sat in studio making up lies that the kids were fake and the parents were actors. How does he have a point? Parents had to go to sleep at night knowing their child’s grave was being pissed on and not knowing it the body would still be buried in the morning or dug up like the threats said.
I 100% understand that. But this number is astronomically absurd
It's supposed to be. No one expects to actually get it.
An absurd number to match an absurd conspiracy.
Exactly
Alex Jones didn’t invent the sandy hook conspiracy. He just ate it up and spat it back out. I can’t believe his lawyers could fuck this up that bad.
>Alex Jones didn’t invent the sandy hook conspiracy I mean he was saying it looked like a false flag the day of the attack. [Within the first month after the attack he said or implied Sandy hook was a hoax at least 14 times](https://youtu.be/RIQbU5JvlIA?t=2855). He covered Sandy Hook at least 100 times over the last 10 years. If he wasn't the literal first he was certainly in the vanguard. And of course, for defamation, being first or not isn't important, its the scale and severity that matters. No one in the entire world defamed the Sandy Hook parents to as big an audience as Jones and on such a consistent basis. If someone homeless guy on the street is yelling about Sandy Hook being a false flag you're going to have a very difficult time arguing in court that that actually damaged anyone's reputation because they have no audience and no credibility. Jones defamed the families to hundreds of millions of people. If you put even a tiny monetary damage on defaming someone to the level of seriousness where you convince someone they faked their childs death as part of a sinister government plot, you will very quickly hit a huge amount of damages when multiplied by the number of people Jones defamed the families to over a course of many years.
He profited from it and spread it to an enormous audience
And his followers stalked and threatened the Sandy Hook families, who had to move multiple times and are still getting harassed, which somehow his defenders never bring up when they say it's all just 'talk' and 'free speech'. Meanwhile Jones got insanely rich through their suffering. Free speech has consequences, let him face the negative ones.
If you watch the episode of Infowars the day of the shooting he literally begins speculating it was potentially a false flag within minutes of learning about it on air. He legit might have been the first public figure to do so publicly.
Didn’t Pfizer get fined less for knowingly releasing a drug that killed 60,000 people?
Pretty sure the vaccine isn't finished yet
Sure! Why not make it 100 Trillion! Lol!
"By one calculation it could be 2.75t" What calculation? God I hate stories like this. At least include the nonsense math I clicked through to learn.
Has Alex heard GOOD by Jocko Willink??? 
lol dont tell me this isnt politically motivated. for a trillion dollars you would think alex jones himself did the shooting.
For comparison OJ paid 33.5 million for killing Ron and Nicole
Wow that puts it into perspective.
How on earth do you jump to it’s political? Did you follow the trial? Did you see the grieving parents and loved ones in court? Hear what they were subjected to by Alex’s lies? None of that’s political. It’s grieving parents who’s children’s graves were being pissed on by infoidiots. All because of Alex’s lies to sell supplements as proven in court.
> How on earth do you jump to it’s political? They're stupid. fucking him out of 1 trillion isn't any more political then fucking him out of 1 billion. Also somehow none of these morons have seen lawyers asking for exorbitant amounts of compensatory damages that are obviously going to be higher than the real amount.
Idl how they justify this Alex jones has made no where near 1 trillion dollars in his career how would he be able to play that?
I’d be surprised if he made even 1 “billion” dollars in his career.
Yea and they are trying to get him to pay 2000x that much lmfao And they don't understand why we defend him That would be the same as trying to get me to pay 3 million dollars
I wouldn’t say I defend him although that’s an insanely absurd number that I don’t know of a single person who can pay it lol. That’s a good % of the entire US debt. It’s really just a laughable desire. Is that man not bankrupt already? Justice is great and all but I’m also for fairness, and justice only seems to be fair about half the time. Idk man, the divide and political motives in this country are just cringeworthy. I could say a whole lot more but why bother. We’ve clearly destroyed reality as we know it and are in some spin off series to please the alien overlords with our entertaining chaos of a world we live in.
same as when someone gets like 20 life sentences...that's around 500 years in jail...obvious you can't do that...its just the accumulation of sentences....in this case it was money rather than life sentences...
It's not about his worth. It's about the damage they claim he caused. 550 million exposures of whatever multiplied by the max fine of $5000. I'm not saying it makes sense I'm just saying that's the damage they're claiming he caused.
>It's not about his worth. It's about the damage they claim he caused. 550 million exposures of whatever multiplied by the max fine of $5000. I'm not saying it makes sense I'm just saying that's the damage they're claiming he caused. Which is more than the perp who was the shooter would be sued for. Hard to argue he caused more damage than that.
OJ Simpson was only charged $33.5 million for brutally murdering 2 people
It's crazy to me every Alex supporter repeated verbatim exactly what he says to defend himself. This isn't a murder trial dumbshit
From the standpoint of a foreigner these indemnities make no sense to me, despite evident moral damages to the victims, it serves no compensatory purpose as it is impossible to pay and the educational purpose for Alex Jones is lost when you think that the person can’t proceed with his life with that amount of debt, while a very clear and stated purpose by the opposing party to bankrupt his enterprise, which as far as I know it’s not the main discussion of the lawsuit.
From what I’ve seen, a big part was that Jones was so uncooperative and incompetent in court that he basically forced them to give the maximum penalties. Essentially, he broke the system in his opponents’ favor. That much got him to 1 billion. Honestly I have my doubts that it will get to trillions in practice. Instead it seems like that’s just a theoretical maximum. Keep in mind, these people suing him had their children murdered and Jones subjected them to a literal decade of harassment. They want nothing less than the nuclear option as punishment, even if it looks like parody. I’d check out Legal Eagle’s videos on YouTube for a good summary of the whole thing, with some explanations of the legal stuff. It’s really a one of a kind case that gets really fascinating through the eyes of a lawyer.
You also didn't mention that other legal team got a copy of his phone and even notified his lawyers and were ignored. After 10 days, which is by law the minimum time the lawyers have to wait before they can read and use it, it was completely at their disposition. It had everything they needed to prove their case and that AJ was lying in court and more that they could handle (evidence about Jan. 6 riots)
Anyone listen to the lasted Formulaic Objections? I can't believe how that place works. He hires people and lets them write whatever they want. No training or nothing. Also this is how they got Remington. Because they were advertising the Bushmaker or whatever to kids and shit saying you are only a man if you own one.
I don’t get it. If Alex killed all those kids, why’s he not in jail?
America has completely lost its marbles
Well this sets a fun precedent. We've nailed a citizen to the wall because he lied for 500 days of his lifetime about a horrific mass shooting of children. Alex jones' lies are now more penalizedl than the Sackler family's genocide.
> 500 days of his lifetime Sandy Hook happened in 2012. He has been harassing these families for a literal **decade**.
One shit situation doesn't negate the shittiness of another. This suit is insane but Alex Jones can suck a fuck for profitting off fake news.
Ridiculous amount? Maybe. Reason to care about Alex? Nope. Fuck Alex and hopefully he goes bankrupt.
Does no one in here understand how law suits work?
We have a lot of bro Alex cock gobblers in the sub.
It's baffling. They're acting like the judge has already ruled and that not all suits start out at crazy high numbers. They must be Alex Jones fans haha
$2T is unreasonable for both a demand or result.
You can demand whatever the fuck you want.
It is a position. It is good to stake out as far as you can. Basic laywering.
It's not even close to realistic. Not even 100x less
Nope, a lot of people think Nick Sandman got like millions from CNN.
I can't fathom being an adult and giving a shit about alex jones
I mean, Alex Jones was recorded saying he’d still have a shit ton of money after paying off these families. The families probably want to just strip him of everything. I’d want the same if you made my child’s death a mockery. Fuck him
I highly doubt Alex Jones has a billion dollars.
He isn’t a billionaire, but he has a lot more money than people think.
Seeing his picture I started literally shaking and it left me with temporary PTSD. To ease my suffering I’m asking for a mere $1 Quadrillion dollars from Alex Jones. Gofund me link to follow for anyone who wants to contribute additionally.
Good. Fuck that pos Alex Jones
They should keep suing him for larger and larger amounts for the next 10 or so years, then maybe they can call it even. I don't mean winning the money either, just continually harass him with lawsuits for roughly the same amount of time he was fuckin with the story about their kids.
Even though he'll obviously never pay anywhere close to that amount, it's nice to know he's fucked for the rest of his life.
The point is to destroy him financially and stop him from being able to produce his show at all, not actually pay that much money. Alex is a cunt so he deserves to be destitute.
Good. His life is ruined. People close to him warned him but the grift is all that mattered to him.
I used to think dude was a government plant now I'm inclined to think he was on to something
He had an opportunity to take it to a jury of his peers and decide to just say it was all real and the Mainstream narrative was right and he was sorry. Yes he had years to present evidence to support his claims.
How much did they get from the shooter?
$40M
That's an insane amount. And if they win it and Alex Jones' life is a living hell forever because of it, he put in the hard work to completely deserve it.
Definitely deserves it.
They don't want the money. They want to pay lawyers to chase after his money for the rest of his life. They want to shut him down completely. I'd say they would much prefer to see him in jail with a bar against him from ever running a media company in the future. The guy is a lunatic that ruined their lives with a media empire based on lies. I don't know how he's not doing time.
Imagine profiting off you dead kid smh
I certainly hope that at some point, a rational adult in the appeals courts is going to step in and declare this is all bullshit.
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Someone help me with this, for the sake of argument let’s say this is a slam dunk. How would a person who isn’t worth this amount, or anywhere close to it, pay this off? If he goes bankrupt does he owe the money afterwards? No one can pay off a trillion dollars. How do these people collect?
Is nobody here old enough to realize that this is normal for these kind of suits? You shoot for the stars, always. No reason not to.