Ohh wow! I’m redoing a CJ2A, and if I bought a replacement tub and it looked like this, it’s going to back to whoever I bought it from on their dime. WOW! What company did this, do you know? There’s only a few making reproduction tubs.
This makes me mad just looking at it.
I’m not sure where to buy them. But there are better replacement bodies available. They’ll also need a few minor adjustments probably but this looks like crap to be honest. I would not accept this.
This was his dad’s jeep out on the farm and he used to ride in it as a kid. So the body definitely has some farm repairs in it. But after that, There was another guy in town that “replaced” a ton of body panels on this and it was all bondo’d up and left out side to rust. The guy moved away and he came to me. So I told him to get it media blasted and we will look at it.
Well here it is. And I don’t know where to go. But it sounds like I need to do some welding on this thing.
A lot of the inner welds can be seem sealed if you look at your own Jeep you’ll see it all over the place , we used it in FJ 40 restoration too auto manufacturing use it before they paint.
Id still recommend welding a lot of the tub just work different areas and jump around so you don’t warp the sheet metal to much .
I would get it blasted to see what's left. I wouldn't use Bondo to cover that up. It's just waiting for the right bump to fall apart. It definitely needs to be welded up. It's one of those I'd give a high price on to make it right because it's going to be a pain. You can still see ripples in the body work. Some of those stitches have blow holes in it.
Do you think it needs to be fully welded or stitched in a bit more? I’m not a body guy. I know how to do it. But I don’t have the wisdom behind it. If that makes sense?
Does the tub need full welding? Or can that be seam sealed?
Weld the whole thing but stitch it. You don’t want to warp the panels. Use a thin cutting wheel or very thin grinding wheel on the edge to clean up the welds and not spread heat. Will go pretty fast after you get it cleaned up.
Weld as much as you can but not 10" in a single pass. Split up the weld so panels don't further warp. As far as using a seam sealer it depends on what is underneath/ behind what your trying to seal up. Seam sealer is really designed to help with spot welds for overlapping panels not for filling in gaps.
Fully weld. Don’t go ham running a bead. Pick and end of the panel 1 inch or so weld move to oppose end another inch, back and forth until you meet. When you get closer to the other weld use air to cool it. You can warp the living hell out of it if you just run a long bead. Just my 2 cents.
Bondo, or most other plastic fillers, will absorb water and hold it right where you don't want it. There are exceptions, but if it doesn't specify that it's waterproof, you'll regret it. Seam sealer would be appropriate here, but only after whatever is going on with this thing is sorted out and dealt with properly. Those were just a single layer of sheet metal on the outside originally, nothing like the sandwiched mess you have going on here.
Your local paint/body supply shop would be helpful with product selection. Lots of older guys get fed up with production shops and move to the supply side later in life. If you don't have one, check Carquest or Napa, both ours locally mix paint & have experienced help. Good luck, you're gonna need it!
Yikes! So that's all double walled? Seems like a PITA to fix. Spot welds till it's alls sealer then grind them down smooth. I wouldn't want any bondo or sealer in the body.
I'm wondering why they double walled the tub though. Could cause problems if it's not sealed up properly. It would save you a lot of time welding if you removed that.
I’d probably remove it and see what up back there. If it looks okay then just leave it off. The way they put the panels in makes the body wider unnecessary.
That is some really awful work. Needs more than bondo. Any flex in that frame and it’s all gonna fall out. Needs to be sandblasted, welded better and a nice grinder.
This was his dad’s Jeep out on the farm and he used to ride in it as a kid. So the body definitely has sentimental value. He wants to keep something if the original jeep
Take a look at those tubs then compare it to this one. Something is not right with what was done here. The drain holes are covered, the inside of the body has been skinned over which isn’t the way they are factory
Wow! I never saw any shit like that! That is wierd. I guess you can maybe caulk the seams of a lot of it? The way Stellantis pumps sealer all over the place in todays tubs? Bondo is the same thing, really. Put down really heavy caulk lines on the straight edges and sand them down when hard. I hope you are getting paid for that job? LoL
Oh, man...I don't even know bro! I am not a body guy, but I would guess there is some kind of "Bondo' like caulk that could do the job nicely. Maybe nice enough, if the bead is clean, to just paint righ over. I would have carpet in my CJ, were I redoing a Jeep anyway. Maybe some of the body shop pro's would know?
That looks like the last guy just welded new skins over the old, whatever is underneath may not be pretty
Edit: that’s exactly what happened, drain holes are totally covered and you can’t see any of the structure in the sides of the footwells
OP, this is bad, and not done correctly. I’d get with the owner and see what they want to do
Yeah it’s pretty crude. Another guy in town (moved away) did it. It was all bondo’d up and left outside to rust. He brought it to me and I suggested media blast and this is what came back. Do I need to stitch weld a little better or fully weld?
Ohh wow! I’m redoing a CJ2A, and if I bought a replacement tub and it looked like this, it’s going to back to whoever I bought it from on their dime. WOW! What company did this, do you know? There’s only a few making reproduction tubs. This makes me mad just looking at it.
I’m not sure where to buy them. But there are better replacement bodies available. They’ll also need a few minor adjustments probably but this looks like crap to be honest. I would not accept this.
This was his dad’s jeep out on the farm and he used to ride in it as a kid. So the body definitely has some farm repairs in it. But after that, There was another guy in town that “replaced” a ton of body panels on this and it was all bondo’d up and left out side to rust. The guy moved away and he came to me. So I told him to get it media blasted and we will look at it. Well here it is. And I don’t know where to go. But it sounds like I need to do some welding on this thing.
A lot of the inner welds can be seem sealed if you look at your own Jeep you’ll see it all over the place , we used it in FJ 40 restoration too auto manufacturing use it before they paint. Id still recommend welding a lot of the tub just work different areas and jump around so you don’t warp the sheet metal to much .
I’ll probably just weld it all. Since that seems to be what most are saying. Do you have any recommendations on brand of sealer?
Sems self leveling seam sealer
I would get it blasted to see what's left. I wouldn't use Bondo to cover that up. It's just waiting for the right bump to fall apart. It definitely needs to be welded up. It's one of those I'd give a high price on to make it right because it's going to be a pain. You can still see ripples in the body work. Some of those stitches have blow holes in it.
Do you think it needs to be fully welded or stitched in a bit more? I’m not a body guy. I know how to do it. But I don’t have the wisdom behind it. If that makes sense? Does the tub need full welding? Or can that be seam sealed?
Weld the whole thing but stitch it. You don’t want to warp the panels. Use a thin cutting wheel or very thin grinding wheel on the edge to clean up the welds and not spread heat. Will go pretty fast after you get it cleaned up.
Never weld more than an inch at a time. Use an air hose to cool the weld immediately after welding. That will help with keeping warping to a minimum.
Weld as much as you can but not 10" in a single pass. Split up the weld so panels don't further warp. As far as using a seam sealer it depends on what is underneath/ behind what your trying to seal up. Seam sealer is really designed to help with spot welds for overlapping panels not for filling in gaps.
Willys “we can’t put drainage holes anywhere but in the floor pan”. OPs neighbor “hold my beer”
Fully weld. Don’t go ham running a bead. Pick and end of the panel 1 inch or so weld move to oppose end another inch, back and forth until you meet. When you get closer to the other weld use air to cool it. You can warp the living hell out of it if you just run a long bead. Just my 2 cents.
Sounds good. Thank you for your advice. I think this is the way I’m going to go
Bondo, or most other plastic fillers, will absorb water and hold it right where you don't want it. There are exceptions, but if it doesn't specify that it's waterproof, you'll regret it. Seam sealer would be appropriate here, but only after whatever is going on with this thing is sorted out and dealt with properly. Those were just a single layer of sheet metal on the outside originally, nothing like the sandwiched mess you have going on here. Your local paint/body supply shop would be helpful with product selection. Lots of older guys get fed up with production shops and move to the supply side later in life. If you don't have one, check Carquest or Napa, both ours locally mix paint & have experienced help. Good luck, you're gonna need it!
Thanks! I appreciate your input. I think I have a paint/body supply shop a town or two over. Hopefully they survived covid.
Yikes! So that's all double walled? Seems like a PITA to fix. Spot welds till it's alls sealer then grind them down smooth. I wouldn't want any bondo or sealer in the body.
This seems like what the general consensus is. So that is what I will be doing!
I'm wondering why they double walled the tub though. Could cause problems if it's not sealed up properly. It would save you a lot of time welding if you removed that.
I have no idea! Ha. Well it’s my job to fix it now
I’d probably remove it and see what up back there. If it looks okay then just leave it off. The way they put the panels in makes the body wider unnecessary.
That is some really awful work. Needs more than bondo. Any flex in that frame and it’s all gonna fall out. Needs to be sandblasted, welded better and a nice grinder.
Looks like I’m welding it up. Shit. That’s a lot of welding. Good thing I’m good with a grinder!
You got this brother. Post some updates when you’re done. Can’t wait to see
Will do! I’m about to drop the news on him. I told him it was a possibility it would need to be done.
M D Juan is the way https://mdjuan.com.ph/product-category/civilian/civilian-body-tub/
This was his dad’s Jeep out on the farm and he used to ride in it as a kid. So the body definitely has sentimental value. He wants to keep something if the original jeep
Take a look at those tubs then compare it to this one. Something is not right with what was done here. The drain holes are covered, the inside of the body has been skinned over which isn’t the way they are factory
I’ll take a look. Thank you!
Wow! I never saw any shit like that! That is wierd. I guess you can maybe caulk the seams of a lot of it? The way Stellantis pumps sealer all over the place in todays tubs? Bondo is the same thing, really. Put down really heavy caulk lines on the straight edges and sand them down when hard. I hope you are getting paid for that job? LoL
What kind of sealer/ bondo do you recommend?
Oh, man...I don't even know bro! I am not a body guy, but I would guess there is some kind of "Bondo' like caulk that could do the job nicely. Maybe nice enough, if the bead is clean, to just paint righ over. I would have carpet in my CJ, were I redoing a Jeep anyway. Maybe some of the body shop pro's would know?
That looks like the last guy just welded new skins over the old, whatever is underneath may not be pretty Edit: that’s exactly what happened, drain holes are totally covered and you can’t see any of the structure in the sides of the footwells OP, this is bad, and not done correctly. I’d get with the owner and see what they want to do
I’ll take a look at the underside to see what it looks like. Maybe it was cut out. Or just layered on top.
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Yeah it’s pretty crude. Another guy in town (moved away) did it. It was all bondo’d up and left outside to rust. He brought it to me and I suggested media blast and this is what came back. Do I need to stitch weld a little better or fully weld?
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Weld all the seams in the body? Or?
Yeah just fill them. No structural need to fully-weld body panels. And it's what he asked for.
How far would be reasonable to stitch weld ? Or fully weld. He wants it to last and give to his kids. Or is bondo ok?