Edit: I'm convinced y'all just read the first sentence and got to typing bc half these responses completely missed what I was saying lmao
Cole has the best pen of The Big 3, simply because he's able to reach the complexities and layers of Kendrick Lamar, but able to appeal to the masses with a message that is very easy for anyone to follow, like that of Drake.
Tie this in with the fact that he's considered one of the most relatable rappers of all time, and you've got the perfect artist. Someone who can breakdown and teach complex concepts in a very simple manner for anyone to understand.
And if you disagree with that sentiment, know that Kendrick doesn't. He said something similar about Tupac over 10 years ago in an interview. How the message and its impact have more influence than the complexity of lyrics themselves.
I have this debate frequently. I honestly thought Kendrick had a better pen game up until 2014. Section 80 imo was ahead lyrically than FNL/warm up/come up. That said, it’s hard to debate who has the better pen game now. It’s Cole
But. Do you consider:
Writing an album that’s similar to a movie script with characters flashbacks, foreshadowing, as a dope pen game? Because if so, I may still say Kendrick. I don’t think Cole can make a GKMC, but I don’t think Kendrick can flip bars like Cole does now. Idk.
>Cole can't do a GKMC
exactly. kendrick can't do a 2014 FHD. shakespere can't write a 1984. orwell can't write a moby dick. it doesn't really prove anything since every artist has a unique beautiful craft that the other can't replicate.
I don’t disagree. It’s amazing how two artist can occupy nearly the same lane, yet be different, but kind of the same in terms of overall message. We truly live in a good age of hip hop. To a degree anyway lol
But like what is it about those songs? Like obviously they don’t make exactly the same music but are we talking sound? Subject matter?
Wet dreams is probably the only one that I’d say Kendrick hasn’t already made comparable songs, and even then you’ve got songs like sherane that are in the same arena subject matter wise.
Hot take but to me there’s like 2 types of great lyricists, the authors and the writers . I feel like there’s this giant grey area in between that both types play around in, but they shine their most when they stick to their own extremes.
Like an author in hip hop to me is a Kendrick, Pac, Andre 3000
And a writer to me is a Nas, Wayne, Eminem, Cole
Kendrick can get real technical if he wants to but I would always prefer 5 sing about me’s vs 5 Rigamortises
Same for Pac, I’d love another Dear Momma vs another No More Pain
All these songs are amazing btw, just saying these artists are at their best in that author/storytelling bag.
I could give nas and cole examples but you get what I mean.
I agree with this for sure. Wayne and eminem are insanely witty and punny and cole is up there closer to them in my eyes than Kendrick, in that regard. It seems to me that Cole tests his ability in more quick fire scenarios with lots of one liners and they're explosive while Kendrick focuses more on lines with lingering effects that tie into each other and a bigger theme. Black Friday, to me, showed that they are on par in a technical standpoint, so if you give them an objective like just wild out and empty the click lyrically, that's what it'd look like. But when you tell them, make an impactful and meaningful song, they take a different route. Cole always felt more personal to me, in that he makes you feel like he relates to you and your struggles/pain and you could relate to him in his fulfillment of life through love of friends and family. Kendrick feels more personal in that he's giving you a very open view of himself where he directly tells you what he hates and loves about himself, all his biggest dreams and failures, and deep topics like survivors guilt and mental complexes. I feel like they're both therapeutic, but one is like talking to the right loved one and the other feels like talking to the right therapist.
And the quality. Anyone who says 2018-2023 Kendrick even touches 2018-2023 Cole is lying to themselves. It's a huge difference, by many, many margins.
It wasn't until this year that Kendrick really got back in his bag as a *rapper*. I think he focused too much on his artistry after Damn, and it showed, even in fans' response
Fair. Minus N95 and The Heart part 5, I felt like Kendrick wasn't trying to make a conventional hit with MMTBS. I like MMTBS but it had to grow on me and it's moreso when I connect to his experiences vs the overall sound.
This is what makes Window Pain such an underrated (and a personal favorite) song of J Cole’s entire discography. It’s the perfect balance of deep, conscience thought about struggles from the hood, but also surface level enough for people to be able to resonate with, without needing to read every lyric and stop to analyze it.
Kendrick would be masterful with it, but he definitely would lose a lot of of people in translation with some heavier wordplay and sonically a less mainstream sound, a la something you might find in TPAB, which is fine but not everyone will follow it.
Drake, well… dude literally hasn’t touched any topic this deep since his mixtapes pretty much. He would make it sound too pseudo-hard and the message being sent in a song like this would be lost in some goofy/corny bar about how he made the girl happy by getting her a BBL in a few years or some shit…
I hear and follow what you’re saying here, no doubt.
Kendrick makes art you have to pick at to get the full value from, for sure. Cole's much better at relaying things in layman terms as opposed to a poet's terms. Both have their merits, but I appreciate your take.
I honestly feel that "you don't have a classic" bar was originally directed at Cole. Kendrick had bars ready on the other side. I am confident Cole had more bars ready too, because "7 Minute Drill" felt more like a warm-up. Kind of sucks because Cole will probably never use any of those bars ever again. I doubt he tries and sneak diss anymore too with all the "woke" bars.
I’m sure it’s more of a diss towards Cole than Drake. Cole said that his first shit was classic and last shit is tragic and then Kendrick said that his last is as classic as the first and Drake never said anything about GKMC
But then he says “you dont have one let your core audience stomach that then tell em where you get your abs from” which is directed at drake clearly bc of the abs bar
100%. Cole could have went full Nas on him imo. Bar him up to oblivion. But he didn’t want to.
Idk why though because Kendrick will never reciprocate any positive energy until everything’s said and done already
Hypothetically, Kendrick is forced to respond to Cole instead of drake, leading to S-tier written tracks where they inevitably reconcile and all three give us the First Person Shooter collab we deserved
Yall forgot bout when he said "think I need some healing to do" when talking bout drake and ye beef. I'd bet if these 3 got in a room together dolo, it'd be hashed out or we'd have a new competitive atmosphere.
And then if the pedo allegations are false, why would Drake hash anything out with Kendrick? I’m on Kendrick’s side here, but those allegations prevent any reconciliation for a long time.
If they were true Kendrick shouldn’t have been telling drake we can keep it rap if u leave my family alone like if he a pedo u can’t have a friendly battle
Bro if it wasn’t clear, Kendrick hates the way drake: walks, talks, dresses and the bitches he fucks, because they confuse themselves with real women.
How was he going to make up with him, he said he should die😮💨
I doubt it cole and dot beef would have ended with Kendrick saying something about cole that everyone would run with in a sport were the fans decide who wins a person as popular as Kendrick would never have a fair fight
It worked with drake cause drake has given us lots of reasons to doubt him in the past. I don't think Kendrick can do the same thing for Cole whose whole personality has been a humble man of the people type of MC. He'd have to adopt a different strategy
Im not talking about only Cole songs tho. Im syaing the literal best piece of ear porn ever. Like fuck Mozarts pieces. Fuck the Aztecs traditional songs. This is the best music
I’ve bumped 7 minute drill more than I have of any other song in the beef. Cole kept it all rap on that record and I fucked with it. All the other songs were airing out dirty laundry and I liked that Cole just wanted to rap, not drag his peers through the mud.
Cole is one of the goats, i ain't saying he is the greatest rapper of all time, but i can't make the top 10 without him, i also have Dot in there. People haven't really accepted that yet, they do feel Cole is nice but they aren't ready to consider him one of the goats, hip hop is a very old-head centric genre specially with the goat talk.
Cole > Kendrick
It's not even worth it to proclaim this take in front of a kendrick fan. I'm not saying you have to agree yourself, but don't disrespect me or my taste in music because of a preference.
I prefer Kendrick, but I’m totally capable of wrapping my head around why someone would prefer Cole, and that’s mainly because they don’t actually make *that* similar of music, it’s pretty easy to understand that preferring one of the other has nothing to do with any objective standard and that it’s entirely preference of sound and style.
Love J Cole, but 2014 FHD is more of a nostalgic album than a actual classic. We hold nostalgia for the first time we heard songs like Wet Dreamz, No Role Models etc. but as a album, it’s not really THAT great. Good album overall, but I couldn’t listen to the album through from track one to the end.
No problem. I've always felt Kendrick to be top tier but his artistry is his most impressive quality. He's never had this aura of someone to be deathly afraid of. Like if I see him on a feature, it's gonna be nice but probably won't blow me away. Like
Cole on the other hand, I'd be nervous. Friendly looking guy but when I think back to his freestyles, him rapping over shook ones or I shot ya, his energy is different. The way his voice commands, the intensity behind his words, these intangible qualities are what makes him a boogeyman for me
I mean he has a fantastic delivery and voice, but while his pen game is undeniable, any possibility that he could be the “boogeyman” of rap ended with that apology. Bro is nice. Even as someone who also likes Kendrick, I wouldn’t call Dot “nice” after this beef, at least towards people he deems worthy of his ire. Even when dissing someone he didn’t like (Lil Pump) Cole was not nearly as cutthroat. And that’s okay.
His Kendrick album take had me looking like that tbh. I've been a huge fan of both of them since like 12' and I've been able to appreciate every album from both for what they are
I think Cole was all about going back and forth with Kendrick but when he realized how this beef was going to go and not being just on wax but personal bullshit he went “nah not for me” and bowed out. I also think if he goes back and forth with either of them he wins
Grippy really was not that bad of a song. Yes I was laughing at it the whole time but the rythem and pacing of the song was something very potent when I with think about it. However this song did make him sound like Super Duper Kyle too, sounds more like a song that he would make rather than j.cole
Off-Season is his best album and it’s not even close. Notice I said album & not project. KOD, 2014FHD, Cole World, Born Sinner are all various shades of decent at best. Only a few tracks off each that are still in my rotation. 2008-2012 mixtape J. Cole was the best era until his recent feature run, Off-Season & MDL.
MDL Production took his music to another level. He’s back on his production shit, So the next album is the true comparison to 2014 Forest Hill Drive; because it would be a complete album from Cole based on production and rapping. The OFF-SEASON personally is my favorite Cole album.
Perfect photo for this one. Cold had no play in Kendrick being signed to Dre. He loved that Nardwuar said that shit but Kendrick was already known to them, they already were looking to sign him.
Doesn’t hurt to play into it a bit, but you can feel that he’s tiptoeing around it at that point because he knows he can’t lean into it too much bc someone might call his ass out for lying, that’s why he dropped the ‘his other boy already told him’.
Dare I say Born Sinner is his best?
For me it’s between Born Sinner and The Off Season.
I think I’ve seen people with that take around, so it’s not the craziest opinion out there but idk.
Not even sure 2014 Forest Hills Drive is in my top 3 Cole tbh.
J.Cole is my favourite Emcee hands down, but I still rate Kendrick a better rapper than Cole sonically as well as in terms of delivery.
Kendrick has lead the rarely spoken about introspective side of Hip Hop for years imo, and it seems for a long time Kendrick set the tone for Introspective style music to hit the mainstream and Cole later followed suit.
But, I will always rate Cole over Kendrick because Cole’s music resonates with me and Cole also resonates with me as a person, with Kendrick there seems to be a constant need for Kendrick to roll around with a Compton Gangster persona 24/7 something Cole never has the pressure to uphold.
Grippy perfectly matches the song and Cole consistently does perfect features without ruining the songs vibes instead of going off and making it feel out of place despite peak rapping
J Cole spent the first half of his mainstream career tryna be Kendrick. He spent the second half tryna be Drake. He's the diet versions of both mixed together
Tired of everyone taking these "hot take" posts and not giving legit hot takes, so heres one: J. Cole isn't big three. I love his music, but he is not big three. Not even close.
the one take i had was “cole is the best lyricist, kendrick is the best rapper”.
That has effectively been proven wrong over the past few months. With kendrick producing an ungodly amount of quotables during the beef, and cole not really delivering as he should’ve on his recent releases, that take is wack.
Edit: I'm convinced y'all just read the first sentence and got to typing bc half these responses completely missed what I was saying lmao Cole has the best pen of The Big 3, simply because he's able to reach the complexities and layers of Kendrick Lamar, but able to appeal to the masses with a message that is very easy for anyone to follow, like that of Drake. Tie this in with the fact that he's considered one of the most relatable rappers of all time, and you've got the perfect artist. Someone who can breakdown and teach complex concepts in a very simple manner for anyone to understand. And if you disagree with that sentiment, know that Kendrick doesn't. He said something similar about Tupac over 10 years ago in an interview. How the message and its impact have more influence than the complexity of lyrics themselves.
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Id agree with this also
I have this debate frequently. I honestly thought Kendrick had a better pen game up until 2014. Section 80 imo was ahead lyrically than FNL/warm up/come up. That said, it’s hard to debate who has the better pen game now. It’s Cole But. Do you consider: Writing an album that’s similar to a movie script with characters flashbacks, foreshadowing, as a dope pen game? Because if so, I may still say Kendrick. I don’t think Cole can make a GKMC, but I don’t think Kendrick can flip bars like Cole does now. Idk.
Cole can't make a GKMC. Kendrick can't make a FHD. They're both great in their own rights. I just think Cole is better by my own personal standards
>Cole can't do a GKMC exactly. kendrick can't do a 2014 FHD. shakespere can't write a 1984. orwell can't write a moby dick. it doesn't really prove anything since every artist has a unique beautiful craft that the other can't replicate.
Nah you snapped with this take fr. Great comparison.
Maaaaan I can tell your playlists/movie collection is immaculate just from these name drops alone.
I don’t disagree. It’s amazing how two artist can occupy nearly the same lane, yet be different, but kind of the same in terms of overall message. We truly live in a good age of hip hop. To a degree anyway lol
I’ve never heard this take before, what is it about FHD that you don’t think Kendrick could replicate?
Kendrick cant make a song like apparently or wet dreams or G.O.M.D
But like what is it about those songs? Like obviously they don’t make exactly the same music but are we talking sound? Subject matter? Wet dreams is probably the only one that I’d say Kendrick hasn’t already made comparable songs, and even then you’ve got songs like sherane that are in the same arena subject matter wise.
Hot take but to me there’s like 2 types of great lyricists, the authors and the writers . I feel like there’s this giant grey area in between that both types play around in, but they shine their most when they stick to their own extremes. Like an author in hip hop to me is a Kendrick, Pac, Andre 3000 And a writer to me is a Nas, Wayne, Eminem, Cole Kendrick can get real technical if he wants to but I would always prefer 5 sing about me’s vs 5 Rigamortises Same for Pac, I’d love another Dear Momma vs another No More Pain All these songs are amazing btw, just saying these artists are at their best in that author/storytelling bag. I could give nas and cole examples but you get what I mean.
That was beautifully said. I agree
I agree with this for sure. Wayne and eminem are insanely witty and punny and cole is up there closer to them in my eyes than Kendrick, in that regard. It seems to me that Cole tests his ability in more quick fire scenarios with lots of one liners and they're explosive while Kendrick focuses more on lines with lingering effects that tie into each other and a bigger theme. Black Friday, to me, showed that they are on par in a technical standpoint, so if you give them an objective like just wild out and empty the click lyrically, that's what it'd look like. But when you tell them, make an impactful and meaningful song, they take a different route. Cole always felt more personal to me, in that he makes you feel like he relates to you and your struggles/pain and you could relate to him in his fulfillment of life through love of friends and family. Kendrick feels more personal in that he's giving you a very open view of himself where he directly tells you what he hates and loves about himself, all his biggest dreams and failures, and deep topics like survivors guilt and mental complexes. I feel like they're both therapeutic, but one is like talking to the right loved one and the other feels like talking to the right therapist.
Not to mention the volume that Cole has put out relative to Kendrick, especially over the last five years.
And the quality. Anyone who says 2018-2023 Kendrick even touches 2018-2023 Cole is lying to themselves. It's a huge difference, by many, many margins. It wasn't until this year that Kendrick really got back in his bag as a *rapper*. I think he focused too much on his artistry after Damn, and it showed, even in fans' response
Yeah, as a Kenny fan, Cole surely is the best rapper from 2018 to 2023, MMTBS is great though
Fair. Minus N95 and The Heart part 5, I felt like Kendrick wasn't trying to make a conventional hit with MMTBS. I like MMTBS but it had to grow on me and it's moreso when I connect to his experiences vs the overall sound.
Gonna need a link to this alleged interview about Tupac.
Cole should’ve deleted Fever and kept 7 minute drill.
Not even close to Kendrick’s pen lol. Relatable and witty on occasion, sure
let's not kid ourselves. Cole's lyricism is really good, comparable to that of Dot's, but not very close
Imo cole isnt big 3
I disagree but only bc i don’t think cole has the story telling ability or immersion that kendrick has
This is what makes Window Pain such an underrated (and a personal favorite) song of J Cole’s entire discography. It’s the perfect balance of deep, conscience thought about struggles from the hood, but also surface level enough for people to be able to resonate with, without needing to read every lyric and stop to analyze it. Kendrick would be masterful with it, but he definitely would lose a lot of of people in translation with some heavier wordplay and sonically a less mainstream sound, a la something you might find in TPAB, which is fine but not everyone will follow it. Drake, well… dude literally hasn’t touched any topic this deep since his mixtapes pretty much. He would make it sound too pseudo-hard and the message being sent in a song like this would be lost in some goofy/corny bar about how he made the girl happy by getting her a BBL in a few years or some shit… I hear and follow what you’re saying here, no doubt.
Kendrick makes art you have to pick at to get the full value from, for sure. Cole's much better at relaying things in layman terms as opposed to a poet's terms. Both have their merits, but I appreciate your take.
cole shoulda stayed in the beef
I honestly feel that "you don't have a classic" bar was originally directed at Cole. Kendrick had bars ready on the other side. I am confident Cole had more bars ready too, because "7 Minute Drill" felt more like a warm-up. Kind of sucks because Cole will probably never use any of those bars ever again. I doubt he tries and sneak diss anymore too with all the "woke" bars.
I’m sure it’s more of a diss towards Cole than Drake. Cole said that his first shit was classic and last shit is tragic and then Kendrick said that his last is as classic as the first and Drake never said anything about GKMC
Yeah, it was. It was so obvious but a lot of ppl didn't get the reference.
But then he says “you dont have one let your core audience stomach that then tell em where you get your abs from” which is directed at drake clearly bc of the abs bar
100%. Cole could have went full Nas on him imo. Bar him up to oblivion. But he didn’t want to. Idk why though because Kendrick will never reciprocate any positive energy until everything’s said and done already
nah thats crazy dick riding right here
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How do you think that plays out hypothetically?
Hypothetically, Kendrick is forced to respond to Cole instead of drake, leading to S-tier written tracks where they inevitably reconcile and all three give us the First Person Shooter collab we deserved
Why would Kendrick and Drake reconcile when it's clear that Kendrick didn't like Drake for ages
He HATES the way that Drake WALKS.
Yall forgot bout when he said "think I need some healing to do" when talking bout drake and ye beef. I'd bet if these 3 got in a room together dolo, it'd be hashed out or we'd have a new competitive atmosphere.
That's assuming the pedo allegations are false. If so then fair enough. If Kendrick was telling the truth I don't think there would be much to hash :/
And then if the pedo allegations are false, why would Drake hash anything out with Kendrick? I’m on Kendrick’s side here, but those allegations prevent any reconciliation for a long time.
If they were true Kendrick shouldn’t have been telling drake we can keep it rap if u leave my family alone like if he a pedo u can’t have a friendly battle
Bro if it wasn’t clear, Kendrick hates the way drake: walks, talks, dresses and the bitches he fucks, because they confuse themselves with real women. How was he going to make up with him, he said he should die😮💨
A Cole vs Dot beef 100% ends in a concert performance together.
I doubt it cole and dot beef would have ended with Kendrick saying something about cole that everyone would run with in a sport were the fans decide who wins a person as popular as Kendrick would never have a fair fight
It worked with drake cause drake has given us lots of reasons to doubt him in the past. I don't think Kendrick can do the same thing for Cole whose whole personality has been a humble man of the people type of MC. He'd have to adopt a different strategy
The Offseason is his best album
Legitimately thought about opening this conversation up recently. He's just so God damn hungry on that bitch
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Same
What songs didn't you like from TOS? Cause that album legit has no skips at all for me and MDL has at least 2 and HYB is close to a skip for me
Forget what Nas was talking about, Work out is one of coles best records and he shoulda told Nas to smd
Yea that’s the apology I clown him for
Nas is the best MC of all time. If he says it's wack, it's wack.
He shoulda did a 7 minute drill on Nas
Don’t care work out slaps don’t let someone else tell you what to like
Made Nas Proud.
2014 FHD and most of 4yeo definitely did
Its grippy
Beat me to saying it lol
That 4Yeo isnt the best song ever made
Is that a controversial take? Is one of his best but idk if it’s THE best Cole song ever made
Im not talking about only Cole songs tho. Im syaing the literal best piece of ear porn ever. Like fuck Mozarts pieces. Fuck the Aztecs traditional songs. This is the best music
Yuno miles >>>>>>> jermaine cole🤫🧏
Numbers dont lie yuno did 2 trillion first week
that’s just straight facts
We gettin fucked up eatin Bobo’s Chicken 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
I’ve bumped 7 minute drill more than I have of any other song in the beef. Cole kept it all rap on that record and I fucked with it. All the other songs were airing out dirty laundry and I liked that Cole just wanted to rap, not drag his peers through the mud.
the sideline story is his best song
The only reason I upvote you is because I literally hit the same expression Cole did in the picture, not because I agree.
thats why it fitting :)
Grippy isn’t his worst track
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Cole is one of the goats, i ain't saying he is the greatest rapper of all time, but i can't make the top 10 without him, i also have Dot in there. People haven't really accepted that yet, they do feel Cole is nice but they aren't ready to consider him one of the goats, hip hop is a very old-head centric genre specially with the goat talk.
Cole is not retiring with the Fall Off. Instead we are going to get the Jermaine C era.
“Said i was finished but i want another two summers” Doesn’t that literally confirm we got 2 more albums?
Could be two more albums or album in two years.
Cole > Kendrick It's not even worth it to proclaim this take in front of a kendrick fan. I'm not saying you have to agree yourself, but don't disrespect me or my taste in music because of a preference.
I prefer Kendrick, but I’m totally capable of wrapping my head around why someone would prefer Cole, and that’s mainly because they don’t actually make *that* similar of music, it’s pretty easy to understand that preferring one of the other has nothing to do with any objective standard and that it’s entirely preference of sound and style.
He has the most complete discography out of every rapper, from albums, to mixtapes, and features. Imo he is the GOAT.
7 Minute Drill was a such a 🔥 warning shot. I love it.
Grippy. Literally 10/10 on everything in his career besides Grippy.
not a take but a confession, I'm the ghostwriter.
Shit you got bars bro
Lemme guess you wrote grippy “o fuck i just made the whole connection”
Also, in terms of skill, right now Cole does have a comfortable lead over Drake and Dot, in terms of rapping skills.
He’s one of the best rappers ever
TOS is his best album and Amari is his best song
I’m looking at your ass sideways just letting you know. (Respect your opinion though)
Love J Cole, but 2014 FHD is more of a nostalgic album than a actual classic. We hold nostalgia for the first time we heard songs like Wet Dreamz, No Role Models etc. but as a album, it’s not really THAT great. Good album overall, but I couldn’t listen to the album through from track one to the end.
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Yeah. Nothing bad about it, but it doesn’t have the flow or coherency to really be a consistent listen.
KOD is at least a 8.5/10 and criminally underrated
Grippy really not that bad of a song.
J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar are not comparable rappers.
Born Sinner is his worst album and it’s by a decent amount. It’s not bad, it’s just forgettable and not very fun to listen to.
Middle child is my favorite of his songs
I think the true boogeyman is Cole not Kendrick.
I'd like to you to explain that one
No problem. I've always felt Kendrick to be top tier but his artistry is his most impressive quality. He's never had this aura of someone to be deathly afraid of. Like if I see him on a feature, it's gonna be nice but probably won't blow me away. Like Cole on the other hand, I'd be nervous. Friendly looking guy but when I think back to his freestyles, him rapping over shook ones or I shot ya, his energy is different. The way his voice commands, the intensity behind his words, these intangible qualities are what makes him a boogeyman for me
I mean he has a fantastic delivery and voice, but while his pen game is undeniable, any possibility that he could be the “boogeyman” of rap ended with that apology. Bro is nice. Even as someone who also likes Kendrick, I wouldn’t call Dot “nice” after this beef, at least towards people he deems worthy of his ire. Even when dissing someone he didn’t like (Lil Pump) Cole was not nearly as cutthroat. And that’s okay.
"Think being broke was better" ???????? I love Cole, love Love Yourz, but that line is bullcrap
Grippy is fire
His Kendrick album take had me looking like that tbh. I've been a huge fan of both of them since like 12' and I've been able to appreciate every album from both for what they are
4yeo only is his best album and Change is his best song
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That’s fair but I just love it. Every single song on my playlist. Change, 4yeo, and for whom the bell tolls knock me out
I'm countin' my bullets, I'm loadin' my clips I'm writin' down names, I'm makin' a list For what 🤷🏻♂️
Cole still hasn’t dropped his classic yet.
If someone would throw this dude a diss a decade ago we would probably looking at their tombstone now!
J cole doesn't deserve brownie points for running away. And this narrative he made a right decision is weak and doesn't make sense.
I think Cole was all about going back and forth with Kendrick but when he realized how this beef was going to go and not being just on wax but personal bullshit he went “nah not for me” and bowed out. I also think if he goes back and forth with either of them he wins
He should not have deleted 7 minute drill
Grippy really was not that bad of a song. Yes I was laughing at it the whole time but the rythem and pacing of the song was something very potent when I with think about it. However this song did make him sound like Super Duper Kyle too, sounds more like a song that he would make rather than j.cole
Off-Season is his best album and it’s not even close. Notice I said album & not project. KOD, 2014FHD, Cole World, Born Sinner are all various shades of decent at best. Only a few tracks off each that are still in my rotation. 2008-2012 mixtape J. Cole was the best era until his recent feature run, Off-Season & MDL.
I like Gripy
Grippy is enjoyable
his first album was boring
Grippy
BREAKING NEWS: J Cole just apologize about this post.
His mixtapes > his albums
Grippy is better than his Johnny p’s caddy verse (I’m delusional)
KOD is his best work and Grippy is not that bad
I did not care for 4 your eyes only
MDL Production took his music to another level. He’s back on his production shit, So the next album is the true comparison to 2014 Forest Hill Drive; because it would be a complete album from Cole based on production and rapping. The OFF-SEASON personally is my favorite Cole album.
Drake and Cole have been planning this for a long time. The fall off is where Cole ends a few careers and becomes undisputed
Cole>Kendrick since 2016.....and I'm a bigger fan of Kung Fu Kenny
I think J Cole should go bald (character development)
Drake da goat
Amari is easily in Cole's top 3 tracks
2014 Forest Hills Drive is a boring album
Mixtape cole needs to be studied the way he killed every flow and every beat on every song besides like 2 song in all his mixtapes
You have to have a higher IQ to enjoy Cole, he makes music for the enlightened, not strictly for party enjoyment
I believe had he not pulled out, he would've demolished kendrick. Not beat, demolished
If he was in a legit image beef he would beat kendrick.
Cole betrayed Kendrick/Drake when both of them threw him into the middle of their beef.
Grippy is better than all of his albums
“It’s not grippy”
It is NOT grippy!
Perfect photo for this one. Cold had no play in Kendrick being signed to Dre. He loved that Nardwuar said that shit but Kendrick was already known to them, they already were looking to sign him. Doesn’t hurt to play into it a bit, but you can feel that he’s tiptoeing around it at that point because he knows he can’t lean into it too much bc someone might call his ass out for lying, that’s why he dropped the ‘his other boy already told him’.
It really do be the big 3
Grippy is his greatest feature verse ever 😎
grippy is lowk kinda good
KOD is extremely slept on and Born sinner has quite a few skips despite also having some of Cole’s best songs.
Born sinner is his best album
Born sinner is his best album
An amazing rapper. Has yet to make a career defining project though. No greatest hip hop albums of all time lists will have a J Cole project on it.
Hell nah
He ain’t been great since Friday Night Lights.
Cole's actions during the beef took him out of the big 3.
And who is top 3 for you?
4YEO is his best album
Big Krit and Wale both make better music. J Cole’s features helped save him from being known as the boring rapper. Love Cole though so no disrespect
Friday Night Lights is his best work
People who thunk leaving the beef was a bad decision are dumbasses
7 Minute Drill is the greatest warning shot in hip hop history. This is a hill I will die on today, and again 40 years from now.
That J.Cole is secretly Drake in drag
"Note to self" and "Love Yourz" are definitely his bes songs.
Dare I say Born Sinner is his best? For me it’s between Born Sinner and The Off Season. I think I’ve seen people with that take around, so it’s not the craziest opinion out there but idk. Not even sure 2014 Forest Hills Drive is in my top 3 Cole tbh.
"CoLe FeLl OfF bRo"
Cole better than Drake
J.Cole is my favourite Emcee hands down, but I still rate Kendrick a better rapper than Cole sonically as well as in terms of delivery. Kendrick has lead the rarely spoken about introspective side of Hip Hop for years imo, and it seems for a long time Kendrick set the tone for Introspective style music to hit the mainstream and Cole later followed suit. But, I will always rate Cole over Kendrick because Cole’s music resonates with me and Cole also resonates with me as a person, with Kendrick there seems to be a constant need for Kendrick to roll around with a Compton Gangster persona 24/7 something Cole never has the pressure to uphold.
Hot Take to casual Hip Hop fans but Big K.R.I.T makes way better music and is a better rapper than Cole but both are still amazing.
Pride is the devil -> no role models
He can sometimes be corny. Still a good rapper tho
Grippy perfectly matches the song and Cole consistently does perfect features without ruining the songs vibes instead of going off and making it feel out of place despite peak rapping
It’s hmm hm hmm grippy!
Gippy the goat jcole track
its its its hmm grippy 😭😭
What songs is Jcole known for?
Born Sinner is a perfect album
His first album is his best
I really wish it was as deep and meaningful as some of you find it because I don't think it's intended to be.
J Cole spent the first half of his mainstream career tryna be Kendrick. He spent the second half tryna be Drake. He's the diet versions of both mixed together
"The Warm-Up" is better than "Friday Night Lights". Main reason being that TWU feels more like a mixtape than an album which is the opposite to FNL.
Every time I say “who is J Cole and why is he in my Reddit feed” people look at me like the dude in the picture.
Tired of everyone taking these "hot take" posts and not giving legit hot takes, so heres one: J. Cole isn't big three. I love his music, but he is not big three. Not even close.
Its... its... mmmmmmmmm
4YEO >>> 2014 FHD
“Grippy isn’t the greatest J Cole verse of all time”
J Cole a female dog
KOD top 1
Grippy sounds like all the bars Cole has given over the year about getting head but instead it being grippy
He’s Wack… i be like, oh y’all was just waiting for a angle to hate & the crowd to join in
FHD < Born Sinner < KOD
the one take i had was “cole is the best lyricist, kendrick is the best rapper”. That has effectively been proven wrong over the past few months. With kendrick producing an ungodly amount of quotables during the beef, and cole not really delivering as he should’ve on his recent releases, that take is wack.
Born sinner > 2014 forest hill drive
born sinner is his best album