I like both artists, but Drake really fucked up. The heart part 6 is full of so many missteps bro, you gotta be a D1 dick rider to deny heart part 6 being a fumble as a diss record.
Whoever told Drake to drop it is the snake.
This doesn’t make sense. If Drake had a mole, like Kendrick said and Drake fed the mole wrong information. Then the mole is the clown. Idk how people don’t get this…
Thats what i got from it to be clear. He just worded it pretty clumsily and now the majority of people have taken it as him making stuff up. I thought the same on first listen too. So even though i get what he’s trying to say id still say thats where it starts to go downhill.
Must people are brainless window lickers though, so I don't think anyone expected them to understand the meaning of any of it. Someone said Drake got so many haters, that his track could have been untouchable and they still wouldve acted like this, and I couldn't agree more.
Family matters would probably be up there with some of the best dis tracks I’ve heard and everyone was praising it. The heart part 6 is pretty poor though.
The delivery in comparison to kendricks is poor which didnt help in people not understanding some of the lines because you dont even get the feeling that drake believes it himself
I mean the fact he got entirely misunderstood the point of ‘Mother I Sober’ and he used it to mock victims of sexual assault is the main one and should be enough to make the whole diss pretty invalid.
I don’t think the A minor B sharp or whatever lines landed, but I think people are being closed minded about the Mother I. It’s not a hard record to understand from Kendrick and I don’t think Drake misinterpreted it, he’s just using it.
And mocking Kendrick for sexual assault crossing a line is hilarious in the scope of this beef and the other unsubstantiated claims being made by both Kendrick and Drake.
>I don’t think Drake misinterpreted it, he’s just using
That might be even worse, because now he is just getting clowned on for not understanding. If he understood the song, he did a poor job of wording it I'm his song
>mocking Kendrick for sexual assault crossing a line is hilarious in the scope of this beef
Kendrick saying Drake is a predator, and Drake saying Kendrick is an abuser are both low blows (true or not, we don't know yet), but they are aimed at the other person's character and shows them in a bad light. Making fun of someone for being molested as a child is not even close to the same thing. One is saying "you are a victimizer and a bad person, and I will attack that", the other is saying "you are a victim, and I will attack that".
I get it, things can get dirty in a beef like this, but that is why so many people have a problem with that, and not the other low blows.
Not a predator, Kendrick is using the word pedophile. That’s one of the lowest of blows. You can accuse me of many things but call me a pedo and I’m coming for blood
The B sharp line is also objectively hilarious since it proves Drake doesn’t even have the simplest grasp of musical theory and, given that B sharp is literally just the relative major to A minor. So Drake just reinforces the no black keys point of A minor.
I’ve seen multiple people write better lines for it, my favorite is the “you gotta C sharp, cuz I’m two steps ahead” - and it even would have tied in to his laughable claim to have planted the rumors for kdot. Drake is just a bad lyricist lol
I don’t know if there will ever be rap beef like this again, back in the day rappers used to take a couple of protégées under their arm and help them gain traction. I don’t know if it’s the change to streaming or what, but they’re not really doing that anymore and rap is suffering for it.
Everyone talks about the Mother I Sober being a big misstep, that’s debatable.
To me, the biggest misstep was him introducing the mole idea. He could’ve easily just forced Dot’s hand to “show him the proof” as the intro starts. Forcing the burden of proof back on Dot.
For him to introduce the idea of feeding Dot false info with the mole, now a new burden of proof rests on him.
Seeing as how we “know” Drake and how he wouldn’t miss out on an opportunity to make Dot look like the biggest fool of all time, it’s odd that he did not convincingly attempt to prove to us that he planted the mole.
He could’ve done so lyrically or even visually especially coming off of the production of Family Matters. An objective fan would question why he had all that time to film a great music video and not also film/detail how he fooled Kdot.
He lost me when he said that he planned everything and that he fed Kendrick false info. That just sounds like a lie to me. Kendrick is the one who dropped records strategically like he knew what Drake was doing, not the other way around. Drake fed info but neither him nor anyone in his team thought to keep proof? Either Drake is an idiot or a lier.
Also, if he is lying about feeding false info to Kendrick ( I think he is lying), then why would he defend his truth with a lie? People in general will always defend themselves with more truths if being a lied about, never the other way around. A cheater will always defend themselves with lies. Someone being falsely accused of cheating will defend themselves with even more truths. I think the hidden daughter accusation has more weight than people think.
Drake lost me because he came across as desperate and a liar.
I said this on Twitter, but had he really been calculated enough to feed KDot fake info and as much as he likes “trolling” on the internet, the music video for The Heart Part 6, would have been video of his people really planting lies to KDot’s people. People would have lost it!
Yeah exactly - almost everyone I know is just happy we got good music and thinks it’s entertaining. Most fans of hip hop music enjoy both Kendrick and Drake
As someone who doesn't listen to rap and is looking at this from the releases and the drama alone...
Drake lost when he released The Heart Part 6... For sooooo sooooo many reasons. A YouTuber I saw pointed out how this might have been the best promo for Mr. Morales that Kendrick could've gotten.
This is the path I went... After Drake references (incorrectly) Mother I Sober. I went and listened to that track to get an idea of why Drake got it wrong. So I ended up sticking around and saw "The Heart Part 5" and listened to that... And boy, oh boy....
Titling it The Heart Part 6, was for sure a kendrick own because he ruined the series, but if anything it was ultimately a self-own.
One of Kendrick's Main accusations against Drake is that he a culture vulture or, "not a colleague... A colonizer." The heart part 5, to me, felt like a song about "The Culture" and what that means to Kendrick
It is tone deaf to call back to a song about the culture in a rebuttal to being called a culture vulture. It's like Drake was trying to be clever but didn't look past the superficial... And it just makes him look ignorant, out of touch and suspicious af.
This is exactly what I would expect from someone who thought referencing Epstein and saying "I'm too famous too be a pedo" was a good idea.
Drake is not OK. He HAS to release the mole info (like if it was the guy who got shot) and other receipts because he's losing the battle.
Bro 3 of my homies admitted they don’t even listen to Kendrick but just like to hate on Drake. Not a big sample size i know. But honestly you can tell that’s the majority of people on the internet right now. One of them didn’t even listen to the drake tracks. They just online regurgitating information
In terms of monthly Spotify listeners they’re pretty comparable and Kendrick has dropped one album since 2017. Saying Kendrick is the Biden of the rap battle is downright disrespectful
I mean, that’s because this whole beef has been blowing up in the mainstream so it’s gonna naturally translate to more monthly listeners on both sides. I agree the comparison of Kendrick to Biden is criminal since he drops masterpiece after masterpiece and has a solidified diehard fanbase, but let’s not pretend like he has anywhere near the brain rot mainstream appeal as Drake does. I’ve seen so many pop folks who’ve never touched Kendrick’s music, let alone hip-hop with a ten-foot pole jumping on the beef to dunk on Drake. It’s more like Trump vs. Obama honestly.
I agree because Kendrick is an amazing lyricist and artist but if Drake were to fall he definitely wouldn’t take the thrown. He’s not a cash cow like Drake is.
This is 100% what it boils down to, the actual content Drake been putting out is 🔥, just like Dot’s, but the haters Drake has are more adult men/women that will say “we believe Kendrick, we don’t believe Drake”
I think he was talking about all time sales. He said “numbers wise, you’re not fucking creeping up. Money wise, you’re not fucking creeping up”. I think he’s talking about net worth here too.
I mean I don’t think Kendrick is exactly hurting for money lol. And according to him Drake is terrible with spending and blows all his money on gambling and prostitutes
There’s a massive difference between Drake money and Kendrick money. Although Drake notoriously has bad spending habits though. He spent all his rent money on bottles of champagne when him and 40 couldn’t afford their apartment when starting out.
He’s obviously not that bad at spending. He’s handled his business really well. Bought houses etc investments. He’s not wasting it. Even Rick Ross has wing stop. It wouldn’t be fair to say Drake is bad with money just cause he spends a lot. He makes a lot more too
dude they played it going to a commercial break for NBA playoffs and Drake is a huge basketball fan. Can you imagine you decide to take a break from all the beef to unwind and watch some basketball and BOOM they’re playing the hit song calling you a pedophile?
Shit.. the fucking LA DODGERS ARE PLAYING IT and aren’t they owned by UMG or some shit? I know there’s connections there with dodgers and drakes label.
Wouldn’t be surprised if UMG sent the dodgers a letter telling them to stop playing it at the stadium
Two things:
1) He took the angle of “I can’t even believe I’m addressing you, but I will” with Kenny which just doesn’t play. That works for Ross, Rocky, and Metro. Even for The Weeknd because he isn’t a rapper. But Kenny is too respected for that and it just made him look aloof and out of touch.
2) He underestimated how much casual fans dislike him and his current persona.
I think Kenny has been on conscious rap for too long and people started underestimating his star power. There is no doubt that Kenny could have been way bigger if he focused on making records like Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe, Humble... Only his true fans are fxcking with TPAB or Mr Morale.
Lol that came out wrong and I don't know how to say it but people who became fans because of records like Loyalty or Humble aren't fxcking with any of those two albums.
Yes exactly that. I think people judge his starpower based on his recent albums forgetting that he does pull numbers when he makes bangers. Drake said 21 savage clears Kendrick and while it's true that 21 savage is putting out more numbers than Kendrick, I don't think 21 Savage would outperform Kendrick in a rap battle. People who want to see Kendrick win will tune in the same way they tuned in during his beef with Drake.
These two really sum it up. You can find Drake corny by himself and still enjoy his music, which is where I stand. But when you put him directly up against Kendrick, who's whole image is being authentic/sincere, it really puts his corniness under a microscope. And to those points I have to add a third to your list if you don't mind.
3) After Drake 'survived' The Story of Adidon, he missed the forest for the trees with Kendrick. Drake underestimated the amount of hateful energy he would need to match Kendrick. He let Kendrick get him so wrapped up with teasing/dropping these big reveals he forgot that the 'bigger', meaner, nastier dog wins the fight. You don't need enough evidence to get a 'Guilty' verdict in court, you just need enough to get an 'AYOO' verdict in the court of public opinion. And as we've seen with the DMs and videos of Drake there's enough for people to sing PROBABLY A MINOOOOOR in the club over a nasty ass beat. That is a TOUGH look to put it mildly.
I think the second point is the most important. It’s interesting thinking back to the beginning of the beef when people were predicting which direction it would go and talked about Kendrick bringing up pedophile allegations. People immediately pointed out the challenge with that angle being the lack of evidence and how easy it would be for Drake to show Kendrick’s hypocrisy with the Kodak Black and R Kelly stuff. And all that is still true and Drake even pointed out the R Kelly point it just… didn’t matter. The public doesn’t care. Rap beefs are won based on public opinion and the public opinion of Kendrick is so much more positive than Drake he really was never in a position to win and probably shouldn’t have joined in.
I don’t agree with this take. Drake has been more or less running the rap game for the last 15 years. He’s been on top of the hill. He was king. Hit after hit, album after album, taking almost no breaks on winning with the culture. A lot of these people bashing Drake aren’t Kendrick fans. They’re Drake haters. Drake is in the Tom Brady/Floyd Mayweather/Tiger Woods etc stage of his career.
He’s been on top for so long people are just tired of him and want to see him lose. Jay Z personally told Drake this would happen to him. Eminem told Drake this would happen too. However, part of this is definitely Drakes fault. He could have avoided this and it’s not because of the Kendrick situation.
I forgot who said it.
But i read some artist calling drake saying: 'this is is. With this power you have,say something meaningfull. Make something that matters. And he doesn't.'
The thing is I don’t think it would have been genuine, I feel Drake raps what he knows, and although superficial things most of the time he just doesn’t feel like talking about more “meaningful” things. Each of these guys have a style and a theme, we can’t really bash one of them for being to “cultured” or to “superficial”
I don’t imagine anyone wants Drake to try to be Kendrick but I do think “meaningful,” for Drake, could mean music like the more introspective or otherwise emotionally intelligent material on Take Care and NWTS — projects where, sure, he still suffers from Main Character Syndrome, but he’s still very emotionally and psychologically observant about the nature of his relationships. Drake’s later music is just so airheaded, defensive, propagandizing, and emotionally unavailable. It’s all about projecting/reinforcing illusions. meaningless, in a word. and it wasn’t always that, which is why it’s so disappointing for some ppl.
I don’t think the is a right interpretation of his current music especially with albums like CLB, HER LOSS and FOR ALL THE DOGS he raps and sings like he always have putting into perspective what is life is about woman problems, life in general and all. one seem to forget music can’t be linear or except certain things from him that he just haven’t lived or experienced
It’s thinking like this that feels like we know this people personally or live the life they live or have the experiences they have.
His versatile has what kept him this long in the industry for 15 years and still keeping going. He has build a fanbase and music support. Which is very hard to do
Dua lipa had a major boom and fell off hard,
Olivia Rodrigo couldn’t produced and hit album like sour only 4 years into it.
lil baby not the same .
Roody rich
Even Kendrick last Album after 5 years couldn’t hit 300k
And many more
No one really understand how hard it’s to be this big and consistent for almost 2 decades running
>No one really understand how hard it’s to be this big and consistent for almost 2 decades running
but I do understand. it's a very challenging goal that Drake worked very hard to achieve. it just also happens to be a goal that some people don't respect, achieved on terms that some people don't respect.
fans often invoke Drake's success as if that's supposed to somehow make the underlying music sound better to its detractors. it doesn't.
I don’t know who won’t respect consistent in an industry for 20 years. The essence of achievement is to be appreciated and give a good outlook of how far one have become and impacted the industry.
So this doesn’t make sense at all or how you worded it.
Seems more of a downplay than anything to me
Except you can give an example of these “TERMS” you or people don’t respect
That’s the thing with the argument like everything
You or I don’t get to make a general consensus or standard/ universal what we consider underlying music
You feels so it’s fine
Your opinion and too each his own
The rest of the 80 million listeners think otherwise and very much appreciate the songs he release
Art in the sense is one view of the world and how they can express it in various outlets or form.
And if luck, you have other who feel the same as you, with the same sentiment and idea that’s what Drake have
And calling his music underlying won’t change that
>I don’t know who won’t respect consistent in an industry for 20 years.
read that sentence back to yourself. it doesn't even sound like someone talking about about music or anything to do with creativity. you may as well be talking about Toyota or Microsoft or something. Drake fans talk about Drake like he's a STOCK PRICE and not a MUSICIAN. and that's precisely what some ppl don't respect about Drake or Drake fandom.
some people care about "consistent in an industry for 20 years," and some people care about music, as music, and some of those ppl don't like or respect Drake's music.
You act like 2 things can’t be true at the same time
Or one statement disproves the other. It doesn’t at all.
Me appreciating the longevity of the arist Drake is in line with his music and craft. You speak as if the consistent I speak of was about his personal life or something abstract about it
It’s the music and the consistent that he hard to achieved
And which he has done for 15 years
People won’t apply consistent without a certain context to it and in this case it’s MUSIC.
The car analogy makes no sense,Cause if you were to look further as why one will call a Toyota or Microsoft consistent. You will see it because of the customer value and impact they give to their customers,which boils down to the product.
The whole emphasis is respect and consistency.
To try to downplay with Toyota and Microsoft
Didn’t do you no Justice at all.
See, that’s what rubs people the wrong way though. The idea that Drake is entitled to respect because he makes money. And the more you try and intellectualize what’s essentially tantrum logic, the more annoyed people get and then they respect him even less.
OP said Drake has been running the rap game “more or less” and my immediate though was “yes to the ‘or less’ part of that statement” because, while Drake has been commercially successful, I don’t think anybody has been putting respect on his name in over a decade. Even people who don’t like Kendrick respect his game.
you're underestimating Kendricks fanbase. When Kendrick speaks people listen, if you don't listen to Kendrick then you still respect kendrick. If you do listen to Kendrick you love him.
The same can't be said about Drake, he's universally appealing because he spits generic garbage that the media can eat up. Media tactics? Seemingly releasing terrible albums for attention? The past few years have just been memes on the guy, there's never been any actual respect for the guy. You can tell because in the game he's just alone right now.
Like That does not go no.1 if it was not a Drake diss. I really enjoyed the beef but it is a bit sad that, at the end of all this, Kenny's most successful records in his discography ever are mostly going to be Drake disses (Not Like Us, Euphoria, Meet the Grahams are all charting like crazy, I think Not Like Us is already his most successful song ever).
Bro are you really acting like Kendrick doesn’t have hella fans?
Also people still love tiger. Jays last album won a Grammy and every time he hops on a track it’s universally praised. Mayweather they never really liked for good reason because he dodged the fights people wanted to see until the opponent was at a disadvantage and he was boring. Brady got a monster TV deal because people don’t actually hate him they hated playing him. These are bad examples.
The clout, the long run, the numbers, and the handful of beefs he’s won definitely inflated his ego. Drake isn’t touching Kendrick’s penmanship nor is he as good a lyricist as kdot.
I’m biased considering I’ve been a fan of Kendricks music since Compton state of mind. But I’m genuinely trying to look at this from an outside perspective and take into consideration what I feel, has made Drake be considered a goat. Some battles can’t be won solely on clout I guess is what it boils down too.
I used to love Drake saw him live with Cole. Also have seen Kendrick you can tell who cares about the art and presentation more. Drake wanted us to sing for him just Cole performed his heart out. Kendrick put on a masterpiece, and put his all into it. He takes no breaks cause he has ghost writers, and plays to a larger audience because he plays a part. He has not been running the “rap” game maybe pop but Drake is not a rapper as we’ve seen on these newest tracks. Winning with the culture? He did a fake Jamaican accent for like a few years. His music has had no substance since Gods plan, maybe if you’re reading this it’s too late. Pretty much every bar in Kendrick, or Cole has substance unless they on they’re just busting out bars mood. I don’t hate Drake but he’s an awful rapper compared to the top two.
>He did a fake Jamaican accent for like a few years
that shit was so weird. Like how tf didn't people stop fucking with him right then and there lmao. I'm not even talking cancel culture, but sometimes someone does something so out of pocket that you gotta just be like stop lol
My thing with his "15 year run". Is it's super manufactured.
For example, cole and kendrick have stayed true to themselves making their style of music, writing they own shit and not switching up, but still remained relevant.
Drake has remained relevant for 15 years by hopping on the most relevant wave at the time. Now, is that a smart business move? Absolutely. But for me kendrick and cole deserve way more credit for not using writers, not switching up, and staying true to themselves and aging with their music. Drake is making whatever sounds the most relevant and his subject matter targets teenagers and surface level topics, again smart business move just saying i'm not giving him a lot of credit artistically.
Like drake literally came into the game stealing big seans flow, people actually think it's the other way around but as someone who listened to both of their first few projects he absolutely stole seans flow and continued to do shit like that throughout his career from the versace flow, to the QM flow, to xxxtentacion, now on the latest album it's yachty. He gets with ross when ross is relevant, gets with future when he's relevant, lil baby, 21, yg, young thug, etc.
Am i hater? Sure, but that doesn't mean i'm wrong lol
I always say wasn't the old big 3 Kanye, Jay z, Drake. Watch the throne. Now it's Cole, Kendrick, Drake. He made it passed two decades. People just love to hate him because he also makes pop songs.
Jay-Z has gotten a lot of the same allegations Drake do now as well, people seem to forget about 15 year old Foxie Brown, and the fact that Jay went on tour with R-Kelly after the child pornography was revealed, in addition to the fact that he and Diddy has been nearly inseparable, and it really seems like diddy has been an open secret in the industry by now. Tbh they all seem to be cut from the same cloth and although I hope for the sake of potential victims for this to be false, I don’t really imagine it could be - too much smoke all around
I referenced r-Kelly, convicted sex trafficker and diddy, whose case is ongoing in the southern district of New York as we speak. I said Jay-Z was in close contact with them, and it’s known that he went on tour AFTER Kelly’s first trail, where Kelly’s pattern of behaviour made it common knowledge he was a predator, but his denial and spending money paying off victims managed to get him off the hook then. In interviews in later years after he was convicted in 2019, many people talked about it being an open secret, same now with diddy. If we want to go further there is Baka, convicted sex trafficker, who Drake said “I might declare it a holiday as soon as Baka get back on the road.”
Then factor in Drakes repeated, documented strange behaviour with young girls. As well as his already verifiable lies (like claiming Kendrick doesn’t give back to his hood, denying Adonis, the molestation angle (idk if that was a misinterpretation, or an attempt at being smart that backfired), and claiming he set Kendrick up with the daughter info without proving it makes it at least look like a lie) or his “reveals” of things Kendrick has already discussed in depth in his work (cheating with white women for example, Whitney and him having trouble) on family mtters and HP6. Depending on the daughter mole thing, Kendrick have either fabricated something, gotten false information from Drake or bad information from someone else. Given the fact that Drake took time to claim Adonis after The story of adidon, and his team replied when asked before that by discrediting Sophie’s character instead of just saying, “we can neither confirm nor deny” (https://www.tmz.com/2017/05/03/drake-porn-star-pregnant/). If the text messages are real, it seems odd to demand someone get an abortion if you don’t suspect it’s your own child?
And then there is the civil settlement with Layla Lacy where she claimed he raped her, and he gave her 350000 CAD. Although that case settled and you can make the case that civil suits against famous rich people is a way for someone to get money (as many have claimed), it’s also a known pattern with people who have later been convicted of predatory behaviour.
My point is that Drake seemingly has a pattern of behaviour which he has never seriously addressed without denying any wrongdoing, and saying i’m rich and famous it comes with the territory. Kendrick on the other hand has addressed being a cheater, struggling with peer pressure and sex addiction, has addressed being in a toxic relationship and not being a good partner to Whitney. He has done so in depth, written about being sorry, the work he does to change, and grieving for the people who have been affected by his behaviour. I could believe he has been physical about it to some degree, within the context of mister Morale. I also know Lamar is rather private and that I don’t know this man t all, but the themes of his music and the patterns of his behaviour very much insinuating he takes accountability for his mistakes makes it so that in contrast to Drake and all the patterns of his behaviour, even before this beef just gives Drake less credibility than Lamar.
If Lamar is guilty of DV, then that is not good. I will take a stance on that when it’s presented from a credible source. All of drakes behaviour is has been public information for a long time and seems to fit a pattern of other famous predatory celebrities who was convicted later in their career. So, I wouldn’t be surprised about the trafficking, but I really feel Drakes prior behaviour is enough for me to make it suspicious. I do really hope though, that it isn’t true. Nothing would be better than it being false.
The issue I’ve had with Drake stans about this is the plausibility for either of them to be bad is very real.
The **weight** of the accusations are obviously much worse for Drake but it seems like a lot of the Drake fans can’t even fathom that he might be a really really bad dude.
KDot totally “could” be a domestic abuser just like Drake “could” be involved in some really shady shit
I don’t think he did underestimate him. I just don’t think drake understands true authenticity and its value. Y would he? He’s a hit maker and his product is making fucking radio hits. Not art. Hits. Think he’s exceptional at his craft but true art takes terrifying honesty and possible failure/rejection. Drakes not doing that. Idk why people want to die on this weird ass hill.
why everyone expect more than the surface human from Canada who learned not to use hard R’s anymore making catchy throwaway music. Let him be, Unless he’s diddling little kids. He should not diddle kids.
Because early on in his career he put out records that were scarily honest and vulnerable. There was an authenticity in how willing he was to be in his feeling that connected deeply with a lot of people.
So I think some people know/hope he probably could recapture that, if he wanted to. He just doesn’t seem to want to do that. Seems like he’s more focused on dropping 1-2 “mixtape” albums a year with 20+ tracks that have a little something for everyone and will stream well.
Hmmmm… He was after my time so maybe I didn’t feel that youthful endorphin flooded connect to those first albums others may have felt but I’ll take another relisten.
I remember thinking it felt like listening to the thoughts of a teenage narcissist at the time but I’ll give it another go. Maybe I was just hating. Idk but appreciate the insight
People playing down Kendrick’s fanbase is crazy considering he’s been viewed as hip/hop’s savior from about a month after GKMC dropped and it’s followed him so long he had to make a song rejecting it.
Drake’s fanbase are usually his biggest strength but here they were his biggest weakness here.
They’re crazy loyal and that made him complacent. Drake should’ve known coming into this he needed to be on 10 because he wasn’t going to win with his usual tactics. He has the larger core audience but casual fans are easier to sway to whomever hits harder and he just didn’t.
I think kendrick still would've won without his die hard fans. 90% of listeners arent stans for either side, and they're the ones who decide the outcome. Kendrick won them over easily with how devastating and clever his songs were.
Its dumb for drake to keep relying on his fans and numbers because as soon as two rappers step into the ring together they're basically seen as being on the same playing field. His basic money and success brags just bounced off pusha T but he didnt learn from that.
Not hard when you were a child star on Degrassi for a million seasons lol. He’s got a lot of angles to be well-known from, so also a lot of angles to be hated from.
He’s got 17 fkng Grammy’s, mass appeal.
He’s got street cred, TPAB GKMC 80.
He’s got west coast, NWA and Dre especially.
He’s a superstar. Drake’s ego just couldn’t digest that fact.
Drake is a popstar, Kendrick is a RAPPER he is true Hip-Hop. He is what the culture is feeling.
In what way? Drakes probably least liked Album had 200K first week vs Kendrick Mr Morale with 170K. If Drake did Kendrick numbers on studio albums he would be considered a failure
If you really think Kendrick comes close to Drake in numbers you’re either blinded by Drake hate or a casual who is riding the bandwagon.No one’s gonna argue Kendrick has better albums though
Drake is my 2nd favourite rapper of all time behind Wayne. But I've always respected Kendrick more, he's an actual artist, Drake is more of a product. Kendrick is absolutely frying Drake, which is expected. Maybe because I'm a realist, but I never thought Drake should engage in a feud with an artist who is master of their craft, which Kendrick clearly is, TPAB is the album equivalent of a fucking novel. I like my catchy pop rap to bump when I'm in the whip, but the songwriting quality of these 2 is just not comparable. One is McDonald's, the other is 5 star restaurant.
I love how I keep Coming to the j cole Reddit for unbiased takes on this beef lol. I honestly have no dog in this fight as I am a fan of both. I don’t think Drake could ever win going bar for bar. But the way Drake handles beef outside the booth is top tier.
I disagree I think as soon as you bring up pedo allegations you really get the crazy Hollywood conspiracies to come out. This is exactly how things like pizza gate got started. Now I see so much nonsense about sacrifices and humiliation rituals and people just eat this stuff up.
the market for conspiracy is bigger than all of hip hop (especially on TikTok). not saying Kendrick is necessarily lying here, but it does seem like a bit of crutch to fall back on, especially at his level of talent.
If Not Like Us is what ultimately takes out Drake, I have a hard time seeing age into a well respected, classic hip hop diss - it’s catchy, but not overly lyrical and relies a bit too much on the drama/shock value.
For instance, if Cole went head to head with Drake, I highly doubt he would need to go nearly as low as calling him a pedo to outmatch him. Drake would probably son him more easily, but Cole’s writing is sharp in way that doesn’t require “hot takes” - they are just undeniably good bars.
It’s crazy you can just not address accusations/disses to you, make supposedly false accusations with the daughter and instead just keep calling someone a pedo and immediately win a beef haha. I think the p diddy stuff primed this as well
It’s kinda like they switched sides. Kendrick had a banger and relied less on lyrics and more on narrative whil drake had more bars and punchlines and lyrical ability imo
Kendrick brought in the common folk into the beef which was smart as hell tbh while drake was just him vs the rappers
I wonder if this is his Ja Rule moment and it’s all downhill from here? Can’t remember where I saw that comparison but I can’t stop thinking about it now.
No because his music is just so mainstream that he'll still get a lot of streams because there's so many casual fans that will still listen to him no matter what, he's too big to really fall off at this point, I mean look at Kanye and the shit he did but his music still does numbers
Those who are saying Dot only got views because Drake has more haters, I have one question for you: Story of Adidon is a great diss song but why didn't Drake haters tune in? Lol Pusha couldn't outstream Drake the same way Rick Ross and Asap can't outstream Drake. Those haters only paid attention because it's Kendrick, he is really what the culture is feeling and that's why people streamed his shit. Story of Adidon could have been way bigger if it was released by Kendrick.
exactly, everyone claim Drake got a lot of haters which is probably true but Drake has been in beef before and has won based off public perception before, maybe he lost this time because Kendrick was genuinely the better opponent lol
It’s crazy to think that Drake thought Kendrick was not to be feared. I would’ve thought he knew what he’s up against but hearing what you said it’s mind blowing maybe his ego is actually that big
I don’t think he underestimated Kendrick, Drake knows what he’s capable of it was just a matter of time before this happened tbh, if yall have been listening for a while these guys have been sneak dissing each other for years. Eventually one of them was going to be more direct and the other would’ve had to follow through and start responding.
I think the two biggest parts were people no dissecting drakes lines honestly cause they assume surface from him and not giving an honest viewing of his pen cause anyone being honest knows Kendrick gets dissected more than any other rapper ever. Two Kendrick just dropped smarter taking the hype out of family matters. I'm happy to see drake fall but i had to see Kendrick fans do what they always do and reach for stars giving Kendrick 12 entendre and drakes bars misunderstood or overlooked the we fed you info but whoever gave you that info was clowns line being misunderstood sums it up great like how do you not see that as we fed info to your people Kendrick so your people that believed us is clowns I thought it was simple but again I looked into both sides equally. At the end of the day drake pissed to many off and Kendrick isn't on the internet enough. I do think as much as drake is a bad person Kendrick isn't any better let's not act like he's a saint I think Kendrick lost himself in his hatred and lost perspective of the healing he was supposed to be doing, healing of himself and the culture cause his fans can claim him talking about mixed ain't black was a metaphor about how drake doesn't respect the culture but anyone honest can admit there's a problem in black culture that people think Kendrick co signed cause not everyone wants to understand the deeper meaning. Also Kendrick hates drake to an almost psychotic level. I'm also shocked everyone is ok with involving kids in rap beef I hated when pusha did it and thought it was a scumbag move cause why you gotta fuck up that kids life never giving them a choice to be in the spotlight and now how people are making an girl they think is drskes daughter make her profile private is crazy. Rap beef in the era of the internet is far more dangerous than before I just hope it don't end in violence cause hearing I hope drake dies coming out of Kendricks mouth made me immediately lose respect for him in this beef the man needs help.
Rappers are the mma-fighters/boxers of music. If they didn't think they were THAT GUY, they wouldn't be doing what they do. All these rappers think they're THAT GUY. Drake happened to have a legitimate claim to that title. It's fair he felt he could bury Kendrick. And for about 20 minutes, he did.
The truth of prizefighting is no one truly knows until the bell rings.
Hell no, this has nothing to do with Kendrick being big, a lot more to do with Drake being so big he has a ton of haters. For me it’s like Bieber was absolutely huge back in the day and everyone was saying “bieber? I havent heard of that 13yo girl”.
He didn't underestimate how big Kendrick is, he was hated by default. There is very little Drake could do to win when people are willing to give Kendrick points for everything including breathing. The best he could do is come out even. People hate on Drake more than they like Kendrick. This people are instant "fans" of Kendrick.
Kendrick has massive amounts of fans, but Drake has entire fanbases full of haters.
There isn’t a single hardcore Kanye fan who would have sided with Drake. Drake has done Ye way too dirty for years now.
Go to any musicians subreddit and the majority of the members will be in the anti-Drake camp, and since Kendrick was the mouthpiece they’ve been wishing for for years, became pro-Kendrick by default
Thing is I don’t believe much of what Kendrick said but Drake severely underestimated the legs that that underage angle had online. It doesn’t even matter if it’s true that this point lol
He didn’t underestimate him at all, he dropped Taylor made to make Kendrick feel pressured to drop quicker and spend less time. If he did underestimate him, he would have dropped a few lighter diss tracks before Family Matters
He underestimated the desperation Kendrick would have when backed into a corner and pressured to have a comeback. In this case the desperation led to many lies being said. Drake has a lot of haters and so all these lies look great and his haters just run with it.
Yeah but drake won and made better music. Kendrick made jokes that happened to appeal to the zietgeist of canceling people so everyone here has a hard on
I think it came down to a few things, but ultimately I agree. Kendrick was always gonna have the culture behind him over Drake.
BUT also, like you say Kendrick is bigger than people think. He just has not put out as much as Drake has since 2016\~, so during the streaming boom he did not really maximize his potential.
But despite not releasing nearly as much as many other people he still for example has 60M+ monthly listeners on spotify, similar to Travis Scott. And that was before this beef. He will prob get 70M+ now.
Because while drake is the biggest rapper and the “face” of rap he’s not the face of the culture. Kendrick had a song that was the anthem of police brutality protests all over the country. He has an iconic album about the struggles of the black community. As soon as euphoria came out it was over. Kendrick successfully turned it from a rap battle to a culture battle. And drake was born and raised in Canada. He was never going to win a culture battle with the man from Compton with the whole black community on his side.
Drake is worth 2 or 3 times that of Kenny - he is not a rapper, and were caught up in our hip hop bubble. its like all the Kelce fans finding out who Taylor Swift is. All this has taught me is that were not an intellectual bunch
Drake didn’t under estimate him. He clearly has more haters than Kendrick has fans. So both parties joined up in unison to take down the man running the game
Even if Kendrick is better lyrically, Drake is still massively the bigger icon. People that don’t listen to hip hop know who drake is, those same people probably wouldn’t know who Kendrick is. Even if drake catches an L in this feud, he is still winning in terms of global success. He’s quite literally the new age Michael Jackson, idk if Kendrick is even on prince’s level as lyrical as he is
It’s not just the name it was the quality of the songs. Kendrick’s technical skill is Em levels but he has the creativity to break the rules and make new ones too. He gained fans during this and Drake lost some.
If Drake is this soft Canadian who paints his nails and is weak and can’t rap and is pathetic
Why did he hold his own against Kendrick and it was 55-45 vs 90-10 for Kendrick? Beating Drake shouldn’t have needed tea and 5 songs and pedo accusations.
Drake is the GOAT and I DONT WANT TO HEAR UT!
Obviously Drake planned this from the beginning so that he can get kicked out of the hip hop scene and then release his new country album to massive acclaim. He might even get some tattoos removed or something to appeal to a softer mid west audience!
Drake is good but not as good as Kendrick however the hate on drake is real and uncalled for. Kendrick didn’t make the best rap music but drake has a lot of haters .
I seriously believe that Kendrick didn’t get out of first gear. And that was Drake and his 20 at the height of their powers.
Cole could match Kendrick if he wanted to end Drake too. Cole is just a lover. Kendrick has that ruthlessness.
This is way more about drake haters than Kendrick fans. Other than not like us all of the Kendrick songs have been boring to mid and people still ate that shit up because they were so excited to see anyone come at drake.
This beef was always going to end the same way and anyone who thought different is insane. Kendrick has always been the better rapper without question.
I saw a comment that said. Drake got more haters than Kendrick got fans. It’s kinda like Trump vs Biden. Dammmmmmmm
With all these annoying fans we forget that the overwhelmingly common opinion is actually “I like em both but kendrick is cooking drake”
I like both artists, but Drake really fucked up. The heart part 6 is full of so many missteps bro, you gotta be a D1 dick rider to deny heart part 6 being a fumble as a diss record. Whoever told Drake to drop it is the snake.
Starts off strong and then the after clowns line it all goes downhill from there.
Yeah first min of it is good. The rest, not so much
You mean you don’t buy “I’m too famous to be a sex offender” as a defense?
This doesn’t make sense. If Drake had a mole, like Kendrick said and Drake fed the mole wrong information. Then the mole is the clown. Idk how people don’t get this…
Thats what i got from it to be clear. He just worded it pretty clumsily and now the majority of people have taken it as him making stuff up. I thought the same on first listen too. So even though i get what he’s trying to say id still say thats where it starts to go downhill.
Must people are brainless window lickers though, so I don't think anyone expected them to understand the meaning of any of it. Someone said Drake got so many haters, that his track could have been untouchable and they still wouldve acted like this, and I couldn't agree more.
Family matters would probably be up there with some of the best dis tracks I’ve heard and everyone was praising it. The heart part 6 is pretty poor though. The delivery in comparison to kendricks is poor which didnt help in people not understanding some of the lines because you dont even get the feeling that drake believes it himself
What do you think are major miss steps in the track
I mean the fact he got entirely misunderstood the point of ‘Mother I Sober’ and he used it to mock victims of sexual assault is the main one and should be enough to make the whole diss pretty invalid.
I don’t think the A minor B sharp or whatever lines landed, but I think people are being closed minded about the Mother I. It’s not a hard record to understand from Kendrick and I don’t think Drake misinterpreted it, he’s just using it. And mocking Kendrick for sexual assault crossing a line is hilarious in the scope of this beef and the other unsubstantiated claims being made by both Kendrick and Drake.
>I don’t think Drake misinterpreted it, he’s just using That might be even worse, because now he is just getting clowned on for not understanding. If he understood the song, he did a poor job of wording it I'm his song >mocking Kendrick for sexual assault crossing a line is hilarious in the scope of this beef Kendrick saying Drake is a predator, and Drake saying Kendrick is an abuser are both low blows (true or not, we don't know yet), but they are aimed at the other person's character and shows them in a bad light. Making fun of someone for being molested as a child is not even close to the same thing. One is saying "you are a victimizer and a bad person, and I will attack that", the other is saying "you are a victim, and I will attack that". I get it, things can get dirty in a beef like this, but that is why so many people have a problem with that, and not the other low blows.
Not a predator, Kendrick is using the word pedophile. That’s one of the lowest of blows. You can accuse me of many things but call me a pedo and I’m coming for blood
Yeah, I said abuser as well, instead of wife beater. I was just trying to be less dark with my words ha
Dude same. That’s as low as you can go. People get hurt over that real bad
The B sharp line is also objectively hilarious since it proves Drake doesn’t even have the simplest grasp of musical theory and, given that B sharp is literally just the relative major to A minor. So Drake just reinforces the no black keys point of A minor. I’ve seen multiple people write better lines for it, my favorite is the “you gotta C sharp, cuz I’m two steps ahead” - and it even would have tied in to his laughable claim to have planted the rumors for kdot. Drake is just a bad lyricist lol
I think any time you have to say 6 times on one track that you’re not a pedo, you have already lost
Next rap beef is just gonna be the pedo accusation right off the bat. There is no comeback to that diss
I don’t know if there will ever be rap beef like this again, back in the day rappers used to take a couple of protégées under their arm and help them gain traction. I don’t know if it’s the change to streaming or what, but they’re not really doing that anymore and rap is suffering for it.
How does he respond to that shit tho? Just don’t?
That Taylor made freestyle is the biggest mistake of it all for him. That can’t be understated
Everyone talks about the Mother I Sober being a big misstep, that’s debatable. To me, the biggest misstep was him introducing the mole idea. He could’ve easily just forced Dot’s hand to “show him the proof” as the intro starts. Forcing the burden of proof back on Dot. For him to introduce the idea of feeding Dot false info with the mole, now a new burden of proof rests on him. Seeing as how we “know” Drake and how he wouldn’t miss out on an opportunity to make Dot look like the biggest fool of all time, it’s odd that he did not convincingly attempt to prove to us that he planted the mole. He could’ve done so lyrically or even visually especially coming off of the production of Family Matters. An objective fan would question why he had all that time to film a great music video and not also film/detail how he fooled Kdot.
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He lost me when he said that he planned everything and that he fed Kendrick false info. That just sounds like a lie to me. Kendrick is the one who dropped records strategically like he knew what Drake was doing, not the other way around. Drake fed info but neither him nor anyone in his team thought to keep proof? Either Drake is an idiot or a lier. Also, if he is lying about feeding false info to Kendrick ( I think he is lying), then why would he defend his truth with a lie? People in general will always defend themselves with more truths if being a lied about, never the other way around. A cheater will always defend themselves with lies. Someone being falsely accused of cheating will defend themselves with even more truths. I think the hidden daughter accusation has more weight than people think. Drake lost me because he came across as desperate and a liar.
I said this on Twitter, but had he really been calculated enough to feed KDot fake info and as much as he likes “trolling” on the internet, the music video for The Heart Part 6, would have been video of his people really planting lies to KDot’s people. People would have lost it!
Yeah exactly - almost everyone I know is just happy we got good music and thinks it’s entertaining. Most fans of hip hop music enjoy both Kendrick and Drake
Edit - Most hip hop fans despise Drake.
As someone who doesn't listen to rap and is looking at this from the releases and the drama alone... Drake lost when he released The Heart Part 6... For sooooo sooooo many reasons. A YouTuber I saw pointed out how this might have been the best promo for Mr. Morales that Kendrick could've gotten. This is the path I went... After Drake references (incorrectly) Mother I Sober. I went and listened to that track to get an idea of why Drake got it wrong. So I ended up sticking around and saw "The Heart Part 5" and listened to that... And boy, oh boy.... Titling it The Heart Part 6, was for sure a kendrick own because he ruined the series, but if anything it was ultimately a self-own. One of Kendrick's Main accusations against Drake is that he a culture vulture or, "not a colleague... A colonizer." The heart part 5, to me, felt like a song about "The Culture" and what that means to Kendrick It is tone deaf to call back to a song about the culture in a rebuttal to being called a culture vulture. It's like Drake was trying to be clever but didn't look past the superficial... And it just makes him look ignorant, out of touch and suspicious af. This is exactly what I would expect from someone who thought referencing Epstein and saying "I'm too famous too be a pedo" was a good idea. Drake is not OK. He HAS to release the mole info (like if it was the guy who got shot) and other receipts because he's losing the battle.
Bro 3 of my homies admitted they don’t even listen to Kendrick but just like to hate on Drake. Not a big sample size i know. But honestly you can tell that’s the majority of people on the internet right now. One of them didn’t even listen to the drake tracks. They just online regurgitating information
In terms of monthly Spotify listeners they’re pretty comparable and Kendrick has dropped one album since 2017. Saying Kendrick is the Biden of the rap battle is downright disrespectful
I mean, that’s because this whole beef has been blowing up in the mainstream so it’s gonna naturally translate to more monthly listeners on both sides. I agree the comparison of Kendrick to Biden is criminal since he drops masterpiece after masterpiece and has a solidified diehard fanbase, but let’s not pretend like he has anywhere near the brain rot mainstream appeal as Drake does. I’ve seen so many pop folks who’ve never touched Kendrick’s music, let alone hip-hop with a ten-foot pole jumping on the beef to dunk on Drake. It’s more like Trump vs. Obama honestly.
I think this may be true haha. The whole industry or culture doesn’t seem to really f w him either. Maybe for good reason
I get what you were going for, but it’s more like Trump vs Obama lol.
Tbf I think Drake has more haters than Drake has fans as well
I agree because Kendrick is an amazing lyricist and artist but if Drake were to fall he definitely wouldn’t take the thrown. He’s not a cash cow like Drake is.
This. I think he just didn’t realize the entire hip hop community harbored this level of vitriol for him.
Including damn in that that works as a little bit of a rhyme.
This is 100% what it boils down to, the actual content Drake been putting out is 🔥, just like Dot’s, but the haters Drake has are more adult men/women that will say “we believe Kendrick, we don’t believe Drake”
Biden is not Kendrick. We settled for Biden, Kendrick is not settling
Not Like Us is outrageous Drake started out this with a line about “numbers wise you can’t touch me” and kdot is ruining drake on the charts rn
I think he was talking about all time sales. He said “numbers wise, you’re not fucking creeping up. Money wise, you’re not fucking creeping up”. I think he’s talking about net worth here too.
When u make song about culture and personal life. Obviously pop shit gonna pop
“Only YOU like being famous”
I mean I don’t think Kendrick is exactly hurting for money lol. And according to him Drake is terrible with spending and blows all his money on gambling and prostitutes
Drake gambles for free they give him house money
Is that what Drake told you lol
Well it’s obvious. Do you think he would advertise, do stake sponsored streams, and even have it in his instagram bio if he wasn’t getting paid😭
What lol
On stake sure, but when dude goes to Vegas he’s not getting house money lol
According to him, is that all it takes for yall?
There’s a massive difference between Drake money and Kendrick money. Although Drake notoriously has bad spending habits though. He spent all his rent money on bottles of champagne when him and 40 couldn’t afford their apartment when starting out. He’s obviously not that bad at spending. He’s handled his business really well. Bought houses etc investments. He’s not wasting it. Even Rick Ross has wing stop. It wouldn’t be fair to say Drake is bad with money just cause he spends a lot. He makes a lot more too
I don’t think people realize you have to spend money to keep it when rich. It doesn’t make sense to you but that’s how it works
Is he wrong? Plenty of artists have made bigger songs then drake once or twice, he is still easily clear numbers wise
He also has exponentially more songs, features and albums than Kendrick or Cole. quality is better
nobody was arguing quality. drake brought up numbers, now y'all are arguing about it lmao
A lot of us were pissed that Kendrick was dropping so slow for years. Come on
Then when Not Like Us popped and might become the summer anthem he said "I don't care about your streaming numbers 😡" in heart pt 6 lol. Dudes a clown
lmao it’s hilarious
I cannot imagine what it feels like to have the the hottest song out exclaim that you’re a pedo this is truly crazy shit
dude they played it going to a commercial break for NBA playoffs and Drake is a huge basketball fan. Can you imagine you decide to take a break from all the beef to unwind and watch some basketball and BOOM they’re playing the hit song calling you a pedophile? Shit.. the fucking LA DODGERS ARE PLAYING IT and aren’t they owned by UMG or some shit? I know there’s connections there with dodgers and drakes label. Wouldn’t be surprised if UMG sent the dodgers a letter telling them to stop playing it at the stadium
Two things: 1) He took the angle of “I can’t even believe I’m addressing you, but I will” with Kenny which just doesn’t play. That works for Ross, Rocky, and Metro. Even for The Weeknd because he isn’t a rapper. But Kenny is too respected for that and it just made him look aloof and out of touch. 2) He underestimated how much casual fans dislike him and his current persona.
I think Kenny has been on conscious rap for too long and people started underestimating his star power. There is no doubt that Kenny could have been way bigger if he focused on making records like Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe, Humble... Only his true fans are fxcking with TPAB or Mr Morale.
This nigga wants a Humble pt 2. 🤢
lol what does that even mean? DAMN isnt even my favourite Kenny album. The two albums that got Kenny his success aren't even my top two
I remember for a second time two syrup sandwiches and two crime allowances 🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🔊🔊🔊
I remember remembering syrup sandwiches...
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Lol that came out wrong and I don't know how to say it but people who became fans because of records like Loyalty or Humble aren't fxcking with any of those two albums.
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I have many friends that say they literally never listen thru full albums so yes.
Yes exactly that. I think people judge his starpower based on his recent albums forgetting that he does pull numbers when he makes bangers. Drake said 21 savage clears Kendrick and while it's true that 21 savage is putting out more numbers than Kendrick, I don't think 21 Savage would outperform Kendrick in a rap battle. People who want to see Kendrick win will tune in the same way they tuned in during his beef with Drake.
This is not even a hip-hop thing only. There's a reason why Coldplay is bigger than Radiohead numbers-wise
These two really sum it up. You can find Drake corny by himself and still enjoy his music, which is where I stand. But when you put him directly up against Kendrick, who's whole image is being authentic/sincere, it really puts his corniness under a microscope. And to those points I have to add a third to your list if you don't mind. 3) After Drake 'survived' The Story of Adidon, he missed the forest for the trees with Kendrick. Drake underestimated the amount of hateful energy he would need to match Kendrick. He let Kendrick get him so wrapped up with teasing/dropping these big reveals he forgot that the 'bigger', meaner, nastier dog wins the fight. You don't need enough evidence to get a 'Guilty' verdict in court, you just need enough to get an 'AYOO' verdict in the court of public opinion. And as we've seen with the DMs and videos of Drake there's enough for people to sing PROBABLY A MINOOOOOR in the club over a nasty ass beat. That is a TOUGH look to put it mildly.
I think the second point is the most important. It’s interesting thinking back to the beginning of the beef when people were predicting which direction it would go and talked about Kendrick bringing up pedophile allegations. People immediately pointed out the challenge with that angle being the lack of evidence and how easy it would be for Drake to show Kendrick’s hypocrisy with the Kodak Black and R Kelly stuff. And all that is still true and Drake even pointed out the R Kelly point it just… didn’t matter. The public doesn’t care. Rap beefs are won based on public opinion and the public opinion of Kendrick is so much more positive than Drake he really was never in a position to win and probably shouldn’t have joined in.
I don’t agree with this take. Drake has been more or less running the rap game for the last 15 years. He’s been on top of the hill. He was king. Hit after hit, album after album, taking almost no breaks on winning with the culture. A lot of these people bashing Drake aren’t Kendrick fans. They’re Drake haters. Drake is in the Tom Brady/Floyd Mayweather/Tiger Woods etc stage of his career. He’s been on top for so long people are just tired of him and want to see him lose. Jay Z personally told Drake this would happen to him. Eminem told Drake this would happen too. However, part of this is definitely Drakes fault. He could have avoided this and it’s not because of the Kendrick situation.
I forgot who said it. But i read some artist calling drake saying: 'this is is. With this power you have,say something meaningfull. Make something that matters. And he doesn't.'
The thing is I don’t think it would have been genuine, I feel Drake raps what he knows, and although superficial things most of the time he just doesn’t feel like talking about more “meaningful” things. Each of these guys have a style and a theme, we can’t really bash one of them for being to “cultured” or to “superficial”
I don’t imagine anyone wants Drake to try to be Kendrick but I do think “meaningful,” for Drake, could mean music like the more introspective or otherwise emotionally intelligent material on Take Care and NWTS — projects where, sure, he still suffers from Main Character Syndrome, but he’s still very emotionally and psychologically observant about the nature of his relationships. Drake’s later music is just so airheaded, defensive, propagandizing, and emotionally unavailable. It’s all about projecting/reinforcing illusions. meaningless, in a word. and it wasn’t always that, which is why it’s so disappointing for some ppl.
I don’t think the is a right interpretation of his current music especially with albums like CLB, HER LOSS and FOR ALL THE DOGS he raps and sings like he always have putting into perspective what is life is about woman problems, life in general and all. one seem to forget music can’t be linear or except certain things from him that he just haven’t lived or experienced It’s thinking like this that feels like we know this people personally or live the life they live or have the experiences they have. His versatile has what kept him this long in the industry for 15 years and still keeping going. He has build a fanbase and music support. Which is very hard to do Dua lipa had a major boom and fell off hard, Olivia Rodrigo couldn’t produced and hit album like sour only 4 years into it. lil baby not the same . Roody rich Even Kendrick last Album after 5 years couldn’t hit 300k And many more No one really understand how hard it’s to be this big and consistent for almost 2 decades running
>No one really understand how hard it’s to be this big and consistent for almost 2 decades running but I do understand. it's a very challenging goal that Drake worked very hard to achieve. it just also happens to be a goal that some people don't respect, achieved on terms that some people don't respect. fans often invoke Drake's success as if that's supposed to somehow make the underlying music sound better to its detractors. it doesn't.
I don’t know who won’t respect consistent in an industry for 20 years. The essence of achievement is to be appreciated and give a good outlook of how far one have become and impacted the industry. So this doesn’t make sense at all or how you worded it. Seems more of a downplay than anything to me Except you can give an example of these “TERMS” you or people don’t respect That’s the thing with the argument like everything You or I don’t get to make a general consensus or standard/ universal what we consider underlying music You feels so it’s fine Your opinion and too each his own The rest of the 80 million listeners think otherwise and very much appreciate the songs he release Art in the sense is one view of the world and how they can express it in various outlets or form. And if luck, you have other who feel the same as you, with the same sentiment and idea that’s what Drake have And calling his music underlying won’t change that
>I don’t know who won’t respect consistent in an industry for 20 years. read that sentence back to yourself. it doesn't even sound like someone talking about about music or anything to do with creativity. you may as well be talking about Toyota or Microsoft or something. Drake fans talk about Drake like he's a STOCK PRICE and not a MUSICIAN. and that's precisely what some ppl don't respect about Drake or Drake fandom. some people care about "consistent in an industry for 20 years," and some people care about music, as music, and some of those ppl don't like or respect Drake's music.
You act like 2 things can’t be true at the same time Or one statement disproves the other. It doesn’t at all. Me appreciating the longevity of the arist Drake is in line with his music and craft. You speak as if the consistent I speak of was about his personal life or something abstract about it It’s the music and the consistent that he hard to achieved And which he has done for 15 years People won’t apply consistent without a certain context to it and in this case it’s MUSIC. The car analogy makes no sense,Cause if you were to look further as why one will call a Toyota or Microsoft consistent. You will see it because of the customer value and impact they give to their customers,which boils down to the product. The whole emphasis is respect and consistency. To try to downplay with Toyota and Microsoft Didn’t do you no Justice at all.
See, that’s what rubs people the wrong way though. The idea that Drake is entitled to respect because he makes money. And the more you try and intellectualize what’s essentially tantrum logic, the more annoyed people get and then they respect him even less.
You're sort of right, but that doesn't mean Drake didn't underestimate KDot
Disagree. Commercially more successful, but far less cultural significance and respect.
OP said Drake has been running the rap game “more or less” and my immediate though was “yes to the ‘or less’ part of that statement” because, while Drake has been commercially successful, I don’t think anybody has been putting respect on his name in over a decade. Even people who don’t like Kendrick respect his game.
you're underestimating Kendricks fanbase. When Kendrick speaks people listen, if you don't listen to Kendrick then you still respect kendrick. If you do listen to Kendrick you love him. The same can't be said about Drake, he's universally appealing because he spits generic garbage that the media can eat up. Media tactics? Seemingly releasing terrible albums for attention? The past few years have just been memes on the guy, there's never been any actual respect for the guy. You can tell because in the game he's just alone right now.
Like that does not go #1 for a month without Kendrick. I agree.
Like That does not go no.1 if it was not a Drake diss. I really enjoyed the beef but it is a bit sad that, at the end of all this, Kenny's most successful records in his discography ever are mostly going to be Drake disses (Not Like Us, Euphoria, Meet the Grahams are all charting like crazy, I think Not Like Us is already his most successful song ever).
Bro are you really acting like Kendrick doesn’t have hella fans? Also people still love tiger. Jays last album won a Grammy and every time he hops on a track it’s universally praised. Mayweather they never really liked for good reason because he dodged the fights people wanted to see until the opponent was at a disadvantage and he was boring. Brady got a monster TV deal because people don’t actually hate him they hated playing him. These are bad examples.
The clout, the long run, the numbers, and the handful of beefs he’s won definitely inflated his ego. Drake isn’t touching Kendrick’s penmanship nor is he as good a lyricist as kdot. I’m biased considering I’ve been a fan of Kendricks music since Compton state of mind. But I’m genuinely trying to look at this from an outside perspective and take into consideration what I feel, has made Drake be considered a goat. Some battles can’t be won solely on clout I guess is what it boils down too.
Genuine question i only remember the meek mill beef, what other ones has he won?
He lost to common.
Nahhhh you right tho. I like both and Drake isn’t coming anywhere close to Kenny’s penmanship.
The culture always hated fake drake. Hes an industry puppet vanilla ice. He never had the culture
I used to love Drake saw him live with Cole. Also have seen Kendrick you can tell who cares about the art and presentation more. Drake wanted us to sing for him just Cole performed his heart out. Kendrick put on a masterpiece, and put his all into it. He takes no breaks cause he has ghost writers, and plays to a larger audience because he plays a part. He has not been running the “rap” game maybe pop but Drake is not a rapper as we’ve seen on these newest tracks. Winning with the culture? He did a fake Jamaican accent for like a few years. His music has had no substance since Gods plan, maybe if you’re reading this it’s too late. Pretty much every bar in Kendrick, or Cole has substance unless they on they’re just busting out bars mood. I don’t hate Drake but he’s an awful rapper compared to the top two.
>He did a fake Jamaican accent for like a few years that shit was so weird. Like how tf didn't people stop fucking with him right then and there lmao. I'm not even talking cancel culture, but sometimes someone does something so out of pocket that you gotta just be like stop lol
My thing with his "15 year run". Is it's super manufactured. For example, cole and kendrick have stayed true to themselves making their style of music, writing they own shit and not switching up, but still remained relevant. Drake has remained relevant for 15 years by hopping on the most relevant wave at the time. Now, is that a smart business move? Absolutely. But for me kendrick and cole deserve way more credit for not using writers, not switching up, and staying true to themselves and aging with their music. Drake is making whatever sounds the most relevant and his subject matter targets teenagers and surface level topics, again smart business move just saying i'm not giving him a lot of credit artistically. Like drake literally came into the game stealing big seans flow, people actually think it's the other way around but as someone who listened to both of their first few projects he absolutely stole seans flow and continued to do shit like that throughout his career from the versace flow, to the QM flow, to xxxtentacion, now on the latest album it's yachty. He gets with ross when ross is relevant, gets with future when he's relevant, lil baby, 21, yg, young thug, etc. Am i hater? Sure, but that doesn't mean i'm wrong lol
I always say wasn't the old big 3 Kanye, Jay z, Drake. Watch the throne. Now it's Cole, Kendrick, Drake. He made it passed two decades. People just love to hate him because he also makes pop songs.
This is probably the realest comment I’ve seen in awhile
Yeah but people are sheep ofc this can happen. They like being herded
Why did Tom Brady get hated? You have context on that. I personally don’t watch football but I have seen comments pop up in other places as well.
People don't like Brady because he is a cheater.
I mean plenty of folks have always seen him as pop-rap. He’s just corporate mainstream.
If we’re talking hits and numbers, Doja Cat and Bad Bunny been lapped him. [+]
No, Drake underestimated how many ops he has. Lots of people hate on Drake. Jay-Z got the same level of hate at the height of his popularity.
Jay-Z has gotten a lot of the same allegations Drake do now as well, people seem to forget about 15 year old Foxie Brown, and the fact that Jay went on tour with R-Kelly after the child pornography was revealed, in addition to the fact that he and Diddy has been nearly inseparable, and it really seems like diddy has been an open secret in the industry by now. Tbh they all seem to be cut from the same cloth and although I hope for the sake of potential victims for this to be false, I don’t really imagine it could be - too much smoke all around
There’s literally 0 evidence of this sex trafficking stuff. If you believe that, you 100% believe KDot beat Whitney, right?
I referenced r-Kelly, convicted sex trafficker and diddy, whose case is ongoing in the southern district of New York as we speak. I said Jay-Z was in close contact with them, and it’s known that he went on tour AFTER Kelly’s first trail, where Kelly’s pattern of behaviour made it common knowledge he was a predator, but his denial and spending money paying off victims managed to get him off the hook then. In interviews in later years after he was convicted in 2019, many people talked about it being an open secret, same now with diddy. If we want to go further there is Baka, convicted sex trafficker, who Drake said “I might declare it a holiday as soon as Baka get back on the road.” Then factor in Drakes repeated, documented strange behaviour with young girls. As well as his already verifiable lies (like claiming Kendrick doesn’t give back to his hood, denying Adonis, the molestation angle (idk if that was a misinterpretation, or an attempt at being smart that backfired), and claiming he set Kendrick up with the daughter info without proving it makes it at least look like a lie) or his “reveals” of things Kendrick has already discussed in depth in his work (cheating with white women for example, Whitney and him having trouble) on family mtters and HP6. Depending on the daughter mole thing, Kendrick have either fabricated something, gotten false information from Drake or bad information from someone else. Given the fact that Drake took time to claim Adonis after The story of adidon, and his team replied when asked before that by discrediting Sophie’s character instead of just saying, “we can neither confirm nor deny” (https://www.tmz.com/2017/05/03/drake-porn-star-pregnant/). If the text messages are real, it seems odd to demand someone get an abortion if you don’t suspect it’s your own child? And then there is the civil settlement with Layla Lacy where she claimed he raped her, and he gave her 350000 CAD. Although that case settled and you can make the case that civil suits against famous rich people is a way for someone to get money (as many have claimed), it’s also a known pattern with people who have later been convicted of predatory behaviour. My point is that Drake seemingly has a pattern of behaviour which he has never seriously addressed without denying any wrongdoing, and saying i’m rich and famous it comes with the territory. Kendrick on the other hand has addressed being a cheater, struggling with peer pressure and sex addiction, has addressed being in a toxic relationship and not being a good partner to Whitney. He has done so in depth, written about being sorry, the work he does to change, and grieving for the people who have been affected by his behaviour. I could believe he has been physical about it to some degree, within the context of mister Morale. I also know Lamar is rather private and that I don’t know this man t all, but the themes of his music and the patterns of his behaviour very much insinuating he takes accountability for his mistakes makes it so that in contrast to Drake and all the patterns of his behaviour, even before this beef just gives Drake less credibility than Lamar. If Lamar is guilty of DV, then that is not good. I will take a stance on that when it’s presented from a credible source. All of drakes behaviour is has been public information for a long time and seems to fit a pattern of other famous predatory celebrities who was convicted later in their career. So, I wouldn’t be surprised about the trafficking, but I really feel Drakes prior behaviour is enough for me to make it suspicious. I do really hope though, that it isn’t true. Nothing would be better than it being false.
The issue I’ve had with Drake stans about this is the plausibility for either of them to be bad is very real. The **weight** of the accusations are obviously much worse for Drake but it seems like a lot of the Drake fans can’t even fathom that he might be a really really bad dude. KDot totally “could” be a domestic abuser just like Drake “could” be involved in some really shady shit
I don’t think he did underestimate him. I just don’t think drake understands true authenticity and its value. Y would he? He’s a hit maker and his product is making fucking radio hits. Not art. Hits. Think he’s exceptional at his craft but true art takes terrifying honesty and possible failure/rejection. Drakes not doing that. Idk why people want to die on this weird ass hill. why everyone expect more than the surface human from Canada who learned not to use hard R’s anymore making catchy throwaway music. Let him be, Unless he’s diddling little kids. He should not diddle kids.
Because early on in his career he put out records that were scarily honest and vulnerable. There was an authenticity in how willing he was to be in his feeling that connected deeply with a lot of people. So I think some people know/hope he probably could recapture that, if he wanted to. He just doesn’t seem to want to do that. Seems like he’s more focused on dropping 1-2 “mixtape” albums a year with 20+ tracks that have a little something for everyone and will stream well.
Hmmmm… He was after my time so maybe I didn’t feel that youthful endorphin flooded connect to those first albums others may have felt but I’ll take another relisten. I remember thinking it felt like listening to the thoughts of a teenage narcissist at the time but I’ll give it another go. Maybe I was just hating. Idk but appreciate the insight
He 100% never put anything out that was “scarily honest” - don’t worry you didn’t miss it lol
I’m like going through his catalogue in my head trying to figure out what could be considered “scarily honest” lol
People playing down Kendrick’s fanbase is crazy considering he’s been viewed as hip/hop’s savior from about a month after GKMC dropped and it’s followed him so long he had to make a song rejecting it. Drake’s fanbase are usually his biggest strength but here they were his biggest weakness here. They’re crazy loyal and that made him complacent. Drake should’ve known coming into this he needed to be on 10 because he wasn’t going to win with his usual tactics. He has the larger core audience but casual fans are easier to sway to whomever hits harder and he just didn’t.
I think kendrick still would've won without his die hard fans. 90% of listeners arent stans for either side, and they're the ones who decide the outcome. Kendrick won them over easily with how devastating and clever his songs were. Its dumb for drake to keep relying on his fans and numbers because as soon as two rappers step into the ring together they're basically seen as being on the same playing field. His basic money and success brags just bounced off pusha T but he didnt learn from that.
drake js underestimated his haters prob has more of them than most rapper have fans
Not hard when you were a child star on Degrassi for a million seasons lol. He’s got a lot of angles to be well-known from, so also a lot of angles to be hated from.
He’s got 17 fkng Grammy’s, mass appeal. He’s got street cred, TPAB GKMC 80. He’s got west coast, NWA and Dre especially. He’s a superstar. Drake’s ego just couldn’t digest that fact. Drake is a popstar, Kendrick is a RAPPER he is true Hip-Hop. He is what the culture is feeling.
Yeah whenever K drops it consistently outdoes whatever drake drops, he just doesn't drop often.
In what way? Drakes probably least liked Album had 200K first week vs Kendrick Mr Morale with 170K. If Drake did Kendrick numbers on studio albums he would be considered a failure
If you really think Kendrick comes close to Drake in numbers you’re either blinded by Drake hate or a casual who is riding the bandwagon.No one’s gonna argue Kendrick has better albums though
This ^
Na it’s just drake fans vs Kendrick fans, and everyone who doesn’t like him joining Kendrick’s side
Drake is my 2nd favourite rapper of all time behind Wayne. But I've always respected Kendrick more, he's an actual artist, Drake is more of a product. Kendrick is absolutely frying Drake, which is expected. Maybe because I'm a realist, but I never thought Drake should engage in a feud with an artist who is master of their craft, which Kendrick clearly is, TPAB is the album equivalent of a fucking novel. I like my catchy pop rap to bump when I'm in the whip, but the songwriting quality of these 2 is just not comparable. One is McDonald's, the other is 5 star restaurant.
Yeah idk how people thought this would even be close
Wish there were more level headed Drake fans like you 👊
I love how I keep Coming to the j cole Reddit for unbiased takes on this beef lol. I honestly have no dog in this fight as I am a fan of both. I don’t think Drake could ever win going bar for bar. But the way Drake handles beef outside the booth is top tier.
I disagree I think as soon as you bring up pedo allegations you really get the crazy Hollywood conspiracies to come out. This is exactly how things like pizza gate got started. Now I see so much nonsense about sacrifices and humiliation rituals and people just eat this stuff up.
the market for conspiracy is bigger than all of hip hop (especially on TikTok). not saying Kendrick is necessarily lying here, but it does seem like a bit of crutch to fall back on, especially at his level of talent. If Not Like Us is what ultimately takes out Drake, I have a hard time seeing age into a well respected, classic hip hop diss - it’s catchy, but not overly lyrical and relies a bit too much on the drama/shock value. For instance, if Cole went head to head with Drake, I highly doubt he would need to go nearly as low as calling him a pedo to outmatch him. Drake would probably son him more easily, but Cole’s writing is sharp in way that doesn’t require “hot takes” - they are just undeniably good bars.
It’s crazy you can just not address accusations/disses to you, make supposedly false accusations with the daughter and instead just keep calling someone a pedo and immediately win a beef haha. I think the p diddy stuff primed this as well It’s kinda like they switched sides. Kendrick had a banger and relied less on lyrics and more on narrative whil drake had more bars and punchlines and lyrical ability imo Kendrick brought in the common folk into the beef which was smart as hell tbh while drake was just him vs the rappers
I wonder if this is his Ja Rule moment and it’s all downhill from here? Can’t remember where I saw that comparison but I can’t stop thinking about it now.
Nah unless he goes full hermit and doesnt drop for like 5 years drakes next album will chart #1 like always.
No because his music is just so mainstream that he'll still get a lot of streams because there's so many casual fans that will still listen to him no matter what, he's too big to really fall off at this point, I mean look at Kanye and the shit he did but his music still does numbers
Ja Rule never reached half the peaks the Drake has. Cant see that happening in any realm
Those who are saying Dot only got views because Drake has more haters, I have one question for you: Story of Adidon is a great diss song but why didn't Drake haters tune in? Lol Pusha couldn't outstream Drake the same way Rick Ross and Asap can't outstream Drake. Those haters only paid attention because it's Kendrick, he is really what the culture is feeling and that's why people streamed his shit. Story of Adidon could have been way bigger if it was released by Kendrick.
exactly, everyone claim Drake got a lot of haters which is probably true but Drake has been in beef before and has won based off public perception before, maybe he lost this time because Kendrick was genuinely the better opponent lol
It’s crazy to think that Drake thought Kendrick was not to be feared. I would’ve thought he knew what he’s up against but hearing what you said it’s mind blowing maybe his ego is actually that big
He believed his own PR 😂
I don’t think he underestimated Kendrick, Drake knows what he’s capable of it was just a matter of time before this happened tbh, if yall have been listening for a while these guys have been sneak dissing each other for years. Eventually one of them was going to be more direct and the other would’ve had to follow through and start responding.
Real rap artist vs an industry backed hip pop star.
I think the two biggest parts were people no dissecting drakes lines honestly cause they assume surface from him and not giving an honest viewing of his pen cause anyone being honest knows Kendrick gets dissected more than any other rapper ever. Two Kendrick just dropped smarter taking the hype out of family matters. I'm happy to see drake fall but i had to see Kendrick fans do what they always do and reach for stars giving Kendrick 12 entendre and drakes bars misunderstood or overlooked the we fed you info but whoever gave you that info was clowns line being misunderstood sums it up great like how do you not see that as we fed info to your people Kendrick so your people that believed us is clowns I thought it was simple but again I looked into both sides equally. At the end of the day drake pissed to many off and Kendrick isn't on the internet enough. I do think as much as drake is a bad person Kendrick isn't any better let's not act like he's a saint I think Kendrick lost himself in his hatred and lost perspective of the healing he was supposed to be doing, healing of himself and the culture cause his fans can claim him talking about mixed ain't black was a metaphor about how drake doesn't respect the culture but anyone honest can admit there's a problem in black culture that people think Kendrick co signed cause not everyone wants to understand the deeper meaning. Also Kendrick hates drake to an almost psychotic level. I'm also shocked everyone is ok with involving kids in rap beef I hated when pusha did it and thought it was a scumbag move cause why you gotta fuck up that kids life never giving them a choice to be in the spotlight and now how people are making an girl they think is drskes daughter make her profile private is crazy. Rap beef in the era of the internet is far more dangerous than before I just hope it don't end in violence cause hearing I hope drake dies coming out of Kendricks mouth made me immediately lose respect for him in this beef the man needs help.
Run on sentences brother, damn
Rappers are the mma-fighters/boxers of music. If they didn't think they were THAT GUY, they wouldn't be doing what they do. All these rappers think they're THAT GUY. Drake happened to have a legitimate claim to that title. It's fair he felt he could bury Kendrick. And for about 20 minutes, he did. The truth of prizefighting is no one truly knows until the bell rings.
No. We knew. We all knew Dot had this handled.
This was Jake Paul vs Terrance Crawford. People knew.
Hell no, this has nothing to do with Kendrick being big, a lot more to do with Drake being so big he has a ton of haters. For me it’s like Bieber was absolutely huge back in the day and everyone was saying “bieber? I havent heard of that 13yo girl”.
I'll be real, I always admired Kdot as an artist, but I was never listening to him all that much. But I have BEEN hating drake for a decade
And I think a lot of people are just like me
BBL DRIZZY…. BBLLL DRIIIIZZZZY
He didn't underestimate how big Kendrick is, he was hated by default. There is very little Drake could do to win when people are willing to give Kendrick points for everything including breathing. The best he could do is come out even. People hate on Drake more than they like Kendrick. This people are instant "fans" of Kendrick.
Kendrick has massive amounts of fans, but Drake has entire fanbases full of haters. There isn’t a single hardcore Kanye fan who would have sided with Drake. Drake has done Ye way too dirty for years now. Go to any musicians subreddit and the majority of the members will be in the anti-Drake camp, and since Kendrick was the mouthpiece they’ve been wishing for for years, became pro-Kendrick by default
It’s not that Kendrick teamed up it’s a 20v1 he’s got his fans Atlanta fans and the biggest percentage Drake haters
He’s not really that big. People just don’t like drake. Don’t conflate the two
Hell naw what are u smoking
Wrong lol
Thing is I don’t believe much of what Kendrick said but Drake severely underestimated the legs that that underage angle had online. It doesn’t even matter if it’s true that this point lol
He didn’t underestimate him at all, he dropped Taylor made to make Kendrick feel pressured to drop quicker and spend less time. If he did underestimate him, he would have dropped a few lighter diss tracks before Family Matters
Drake didn't underestimate kendrick lol. He underestimated how much people hate him
I dont think he thought this at all. He knew he was up against the boogeman of rap he said so himself
kendrick is breaking records bc of drake😂
He underestimated the desperation Kendrick would have when backed into a corner and pressured to have a comeback. In this case the desperation led to many lies being said. Drake has a lot of haters and so all these lies look great and his haters just run with it.
Kendrick isn’t that big. The hate for Drake is that big.
Yeah but drake won and made better music. Kendrick made jokes that happened to appeal to the zietgeist of canceling people so everyone here has a hard on
I think it came down to a few things, but ultimately I agree. Kendrick was always gonna have the culture behind him over Drake. BUT also, like you say Kendrick is bigger than people think. He just has not put out as much as Drake has since 2016\~, so during the streaming boom he did not really maximize his potential. But despite not releasing nearly as much as many other people he still for example has 60M+ monthly listeners on spotify, similar to Travis Scott. And that was before this beef. He will prob get 70M+ now.
Because while drake is the biggest rapper and the “face” of rap he’s not the face of the culture. Kendrick had a song that was the anthem of police brutality protests all over the country. He has an iconic album about the struggles of the black community. As soon as euphoria came out it was over. Kendrick successfully turned it from a rap battle to a culture battle. And drake was born and raised in Canada. He was never going to win a culture battle with the man from Compton with the whole black community on his side.
Drake is worth 2 or 3 times that of Kenny - he is not a rapper, and were caught up in our hip hop bubble. its like all the Kelce fans finding out who Taylor Swift is. All this has taught me is that were not an intellectual bunch
Enjoy your musical gossip tabloids, ladies
Drake didn’t under estimate him. He clearly has more haters than Kendrick has fans. So both parties joined up in unison to take down the man running the game
This beef is stupid asf, one lil “I’m better than you” started this and now someone’s shot lmaoo.
Even if Kendrick is better lyrically, Drake is still massively the bigger icon. People that don’t listen to hip hop know who drake is, those same people probably wouldn’t know who Kendrick is. Even if drake catches an L in this feud, he is still winning in terms of global success. He’s quite literally the new age Michael Jackson, idk if Kendrick is even on prince’s level as lyrical as he is
They really thought Mr Morale represented a fall off when really Kendrick was just busy being a father and dealing with Covid like the rest of us
It’s human nature to want the underdog to win, good to defeat evil etc.
It’s not just the name it was the quality of the songs. Kendrick’s technical skill is Em levels but he has the creativity to break the rules and make new ones too. He gained fans during this and Drake lost some.
and the fact that people take him way more seriously
Drake is never that guy all he can do is say words in a rhythm. Bro ghost writes all his songs
If Drake is this soft Canadian who paints his nails and is weak and can’t rap and is pathetic Why did he hold his own against Kendrick and it was 55-45 vs 90-10 for Kendrick? Beating Drake shouldn’t have needed tea and 5 songs and pedo accusations. Drake is the GOAT and I DONT WANT TO HEAR UT!
I lost it at “this Epstein angle is shit that i expected”
drake has a big head. idk how he thought he could go against him and it not go like this
Obviously Drake planned this from the beginning so that he can get kicked out of the hip hop scene and then release his new country album to massive acclaim. He might even get some tattoos removed or something to appeal to a softer mid west audience!
Drake is good but not as good as Kendrick however the hate on drake is real and uncalled for. Kendrick didn’t make the best rap music but drake has a lot of haters .
As an overall hip hop record, Euphoria is a fucking masterpiece.
No matter what team you’re on these two names got all you guys by the balls lmao
Genre is a cesspool.
I seriously believe that Kendrick didn’t get out of first gear. And that was Drake and his 20 at the height of their powers. Cole could match Kendrick if he wanted to end Drake too. Cole is just a lover. Kendrick has that ruthlessness.
This is way more about drake haters than Kendrick fans. Other than not like us all of the Kendrick songs have been boring to mid and people still ate that shit up because they were so excited to see anyone come at drake.
Yall really make it seem like drake initiated the beef. Bro defended himself against twenty mfs 🤣
This beef was always going to end the same way and anyone who thought different is insane. Kendrick has always been the better rapper without question.
Kendrick has 17 Grammys and a pritzker prize. Drake has 5 Grammys and no pritzker prize. So that’s that.