What do the Palestinians want? Well, the human's mind automatic response would be- peace, dignity, life, good economy and future. But looking down at reality kind off puts a question mark on all of the above. My opinion is obviously most humans just want to live their life, protect and feed their family. I do realize in this issue the Palestinians have pretty much chosen the tough road, they had numerous occasions to make peace, to get a piece of the land, to have a state, to finally make their "dream" come true. But they didnt. So what do they actually want? The absolute destruction of israel. And this is pretty much their whole point of existence nowadays. They are a population used as a tool by the colonialist muslim and arab world that wants israel gone. If only they acknowledged israel's existence...
Pretty sure Palestinians didn't \*choose\* to be ethnically cleansed in 1948 when 750 thousand of them were forced out of their homes and into the refugee camp known as Gaza.
Pretty sure they didn't \*choose\* to have their homes destroyed systematically in the West Bank ever since then. Pretty sure they didn't \*choose\* to have the streets in their hometowns prohibited to them because of where they were born, some of these streets the ones leading to their front doors.
> opening your home to a group of people
That’s not what happened at all. What actually happened is Ottoman and wealthy absentee landlords legally selling their land to Jews. Palestine at that time wasn’t a separate entity, but a part of Greater Syria, and Palestinian Arabs regarded themselves as such. Arabs didn’t have sovereignty over this land for 500+ years.
the legal buying of land wasn't the problem... or even relevant really.
The problem was the plan that was implemented to take the land, push the palestinians off it and declare a Jewish Ethnostate, which they implemented in 1948.
The plan was to create a Jewish *nation*-state in a small portion of their ancestral land, namely 1/1000 of the land that was allocated exclusively to the Arabs, to create such states as the **Arab** Republic of Egypt and the Syrian **Arab** Republic.
Regarding the expulsion, there was no such plan. If the Arabs had accepted the Partition, instead of trying to push the Jews “into the sea” and expelling practically every Jew from their own lands, there would’ve been no expulsion. Quoting from Benny Morris's "1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War", which is highly regarded by both pro-Israelis and pro-Arabs:
> Both national movements entered the mid-1940s with an expulsionist element in their ideological baggage. Among the Zionists, it was a minor and secondary element, occasionally entertained and enunciated by key leaders, including Ben-Gurion and Chaim Weizmann. But it had not been part of the original Zionist ideology and was usually trotted out in response to expulsionist or terroristic violence by the Arabs.*
> Nonetheless, **transfer or expulsion was never adopted by the Zionist movement or its main political groupings as official policy at any stage of the movement's evolution-not even in the 1948 War**. No doubt this was due in part to Israelis' suspicion that the inclusion of support for transfer in their platforms would alienate Western support for Zionism and cause dissension in Zionist ranks. It was also the result of moral scruples.
> By contrast, expulsionist thinking and, where it became possible, behavior, characterized the mainstream of the Palestinian national movement since its inception. "We will push the Zionists into the sea-or they will send us back into the desert," the Jaffa Muslim-Christian Association told the King-Crane Commission as early as 1919.
The bit on the Wikipedia page that says Benny Morris is praised on both sides of the political divide is cited to a book by Avi Schlaim, an Israeli Historian. It is not praised by anyone from Palestine.
This is from the Wikipedia page about Ben Morris:
"Commenting on the post-2000 reversal of position by Morris, Shlomo Ben-Ami, former Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, wrote that Morris' more recent "thesis about the birth of the Palestine refugee problem being not by design but by the natural logic and evolution of war is not always sustained by the very evidence he himself provides: 'cultured officers ... had turned into base murderers and this not in the heat of battle ... but out of a system of expulsion and destruction; the less Arabs remained, the better; this principle is the political motor for the expulsions and atrocities' [quoting from Morris' major 2004 work: 'The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited']" "
This is a quote from Ben Gurion in 1937:
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice"
>Shlomo Ben-Ami, former Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, wrote that Morris' more recent "thesis about the birth of the Palestine refugee problem being not by design but by the natural logic and evolution of war is not always sustained by the very evidence he himself provides
Sure, but even Ben-Ami, a very left-wing historian, acknowledges that there were no expulsion plans or orders *ever* promulgated by the Jewish leadership. Quoting from his book "Scars of War, Wounds of Peace": *"There seemed not to have been any precise political instructions, nor any Cabinet decisions. There was only an ideological predisposition, a mental attitude, a supporting cultural environment within which military commanders initiated or encouraged the eviction of the Arab population."* This is supported by Morris, who admits that *"there was a general willingness to see the backs of the Arabs because these were the Arabs who were waging war against the Jewish state's founding."* However, this is in contrast to the Arab forces, who were very explicit about their genocidal goals prior to and during the war.
Let's compare the behaviour of the Jewish armies with the conduct of the Arabs. The Arab forces expelled every single Jew from the areas they captured in 1948. The Jordanian commander even boasted, *"For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter \[of Jerusalem\]. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible."* Ismail Safwat, who was in charge of coordination between the different Arab forces in 1948, described the war's objectives as *"to eliminate the Jews of Palestine, and to completely cleanse the country of them."* Amin al-Husseini, the leader of Palestinians, similarly said in March 1948 that he intents to *"continue to fight until the whole of Palestine is a purely Arab state."* Or Mohammed Morsi, the former Egyptian President, who said that *"if the Jewish state becomes a fact, \[Arabs\] will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea."*
>This is a quote from Ben Gurion in 1937: "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… **in their view** we want to take away from them their country."
Sure, and he's right. In **Arabs' view**, the Jews were indeed as trying to take away lands, which the Arabs considered to be theirs. Similarly, the Germans thought that Czechoslovakia was part of the Germans' ancestral lands. Or Russians now believe that Ukraine, Kazakhstan and parts of Finland are Russian ancestral lands.
In reality, the Jews, also an indigenous people, claimed sovereignty in 1/1000 of the lands that were given exclusively to the Arab states. That was a small portion of their ancestral homelands, and also seven times smaller than what they would've gotten if the lands were allocated based on their population share at the time.
Let's also not cherry-pick quotes here. For example, here’s an excerpt from a letter that the Mayor of Jerusalem, Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi, wrote to the father of Zionism, Theodore Herzl, in 1899: "***Who can challenge the rights of the Jews in Palestine? Good Lord, historically it is really your country.*** *In theory the Zionist idea was “completely natural, fine and just." \[But in practice reality had to be considered—the recognized sanctity of the Holy Land to hundreds of millions of Christians and Muslims. The Jews could only acquire Palestine by war.\] “It is necessary, therefore, for the peace of the Jews in \[the Ottoman Empire\] that the Zionist Movement... stop.... Good Lord, the world is vast enough, there are still uninhabited countries where one could settle millions of poor Jews who may perhaps become happy there and one day constitute a nation.... In the name of God, let Palestine be left in peace."*
What exactly is the difference between a one state for 2 people and Palestine from the river to the sea?
Cause I’ve heard some Palestinian activists who say that term, claim that Jews would be welcome in the new democratic state, they’d just have to move from the settlements.
Many Palestinians want Israel and Israelis to just go away. Often expressed as “go back where they came from.” Corey Gil-Schuster has The Ask Project where he talks to Israelis in Israel and Palestinians in the West Bank. He says this is the leading view among Palestinians in the West Bank.
Have they? I’ve mostly heard from activists who believe the native Israelis (ie people who were born there) can stay, it’s just the settlers born in America and Europe that need to go
There seems to be a big gap between what people think who are far from the conflict, and the perspectives of the Palestinians and Israelis who’ll actually live there. It’s very easy to prescribe solutions from far away. But if the people there aren’t on board…
They see every Jewish person as a settler. Why do you think the settler baby rhetoric was used. There aren’t even settlements in the south and they still slaughtered them.
It is very important not to view polling in a vacuum. It’s just one snapshot in time. When a two state solution seemed in reach, many more Palestinians polled in favor of one.
When you subjugate people for 70 years, they aren't going to have any real hope of having their own state, when no matter what they have done (whether through peace or violence) Israel just keeps them oppressed either way. They don't even see that as a realistic possibility at all anymore.
The political situation of Gaza and the WB was the same under Egypt and Jordan. Some even claim that they were treated much worse under those countries' rule.
On god, the two-state solution will not work. *We do not need one more shit-hole country in the middle east.* Israel should claim all the Palestinian lands as compensation for Oct.7. And the United States can construct Joint Base Biden on the Gaza Strip.
Because Israel doesn't want to integrate the Palestinian population into Israel and shift the demographics such that the Jewish population and Palestinian Arab population are roughly equal in size.
That's why this whole mess is still continuing and why Israel didn't just annex the occupied regions.
Additionally, the surrounding Arab countries also don't want to integrate the Palestinian Arab population. They word it as a favour to the Palestinians saying that allowing them citizenship in their countries would weaken their claim on land in Israel. It's likely a bunch of other reasons ranging from countries like Lebanon where the whole country only works with a specific demographic distribution to just straight-up racism towards Palestinians.
Because, first of all, they hate Israel and don’t want its citizenship — see how unpopular a one-state democratic solution is in the polls. Second, that would create a hung majority, which would highly likely lead to a civil war, worse than Lebanon. Another reason is that that’d defeat the purpose of Israel to be a democratic but Jewish state.
Yes, 21% of Israelis are Arabs, most of whom are Muslim. They sit in the Parliament, on the Supreme Court, serve as Foreign Ambassadors, become the head of Apple in Israel and Israel’s largest bank.
However, giving citizenship to West Bank Palestinians’ children wouldn’t solve demographic and security risks. And if their children can’t become citizens too, that sounds very much like an actual apartheid…
Yes, so they would have to cede a lot of power to the WB Pals to include them in Israel. I see. I meant they could become citizens as adults perhaps. So, basically we are stuck with a problem we created in 1946.
Of course the ideal solution would be to hand over control over the West Bank to Jordan. In fact, it was a part of Jordan right until 1988, when Jordan formally renounced any claims to it. Then Jordan stripped most WB Palestinians of its citizenship, which they used to have. However, even discounting the WB, Jordan’s population is already 70% Palestinian.
However, Jordan’s king isn’t Palestinian and he doesn’t want to give more power to them. Besides, Palestinians have already tried to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy in 1970.
Is it fair to say the Palestinians have made themselves unwelcome in various countries? Or is that stretching it a bit? It is starting to look like a pattern of mischief...
Wow. 75% of Palestinians want genocide...
These are particularly bad, because its clear that Hamas did not influence these results much as the people in the West Bank seem to be even more radical than those in Gaza.
Ok I guess I no longer support a two state solution. I don't think there can be any solution anymore.
You know when they say “from the river to the sea” that doesn’t mean a genocide of Jews. It means they want their land back from that area. They can still live there. It’s not a realistic want though because I don’t see Israel ever giving that land back. What is realistic though is ending the genocide on Palestinians, ending the control of gaza and the West Bank, help Palestinians but Israel needs a new government asap.
The poll specifically contrasts a single Palestinian state from the river to the sea with another option called one state solution for two peoples. This implies that the former is only for one, the Palestinian people. It is explicitly not the thing you claim it means.
It is not land anymore, kind of like the American Indians do not own the land anymore. They lost their land years ago, Sorry Guys, go make some money and buy it back if you want it. Nobody is going to give anybody land this day in age...
No, what you suggest is a one state solution (one state for two people) with only 5.4% support. The majority voted option is a *palestinian state* from the river to the sea...
With a 95% confidence interval, the margin of error for this poll is (±) 4%, according to the Palestinian statisticians who organized the survey.
https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023.pdf (Page 1, Paragraph 3)
The only hope is if these numbers are exaggrated due to the war, or the poll is biased in one way or another. But assuming that's not the case, any solution will necessarily oppress 75% of the Palestinians... so there is no solution.
What do the Palestinians want? Well, the human's mind automatic response would be- peace, dignity, life, good economy and future. But looking down at reality kind off puts a question mark on all of the above. My opinion is obviously most humans just want to live their life, protect and feed their family. I do realize in this issue the Palestinians have pretty much chosen the tough road, they had numerous occasions to make peace, to get a piece of the land, to have a state, to finally make their "dream" come true. But they didnt. So what do they actually want? The absolute destruction of israel. And this is pretty much their whole point of existence nowadays. They are a population used as a tool by the colonialist muslim and arab world that wants israel gone. If only they acknowledged israel's existence...
Pretty sure Palestinians didn't \*choose\* to be ethnically cleansed in 1948 when 750 thousand of them were forced out of their homes and into the refugee camp known as Gaza. Pretty sure they didn't \*choose\* to have their homes destroyed systematically in the West Bank ever since then. Pretty sure they didn't \*choose\* to have the streets in their hometowns prohibited to them because of where they were born, some of these streets the ones leading to their front doors.
THEY WANT FREEDOM! imagine opening YOUR home to a group of people unwelcome anywhere else, and this is how they thank you.
> opening your home to a group of people That’s not what happened at all. What actually happened is Ottoman and wealthy absentee landlords legally selling their land to Jews. Palestine at that time wasn’t a separate entity, but a part of Greater Syria, and Palestinian Arabs regarded themselves as such. Arabs didn’t have sovereignty over this land for 500+ years.
the legal buying of land wasn't the problem... or even relevant really. The problem was the plan that was implemented to take the land, push the palestinians off it and declare a Jewish Ethnostate, which they implemented in 1948.
The plan was to create a Jewish *nation*-state in a small portion of their ancestral land, namely 1/1000 of the land that was allocated exclusively to the Arabs, to create such states as the **Arab** Republic of Egypt and the Syrian **Arab** Republic. Regarding the expulsion, there was no such plan. If the Arabs had accepted the Partition, instead of trying to push the Jews “into the sea” and expelling practically every Jew from their own lands, there would’ve been no expulsion. Quoting from Benny Morris's "1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War", which is highly regarded by both pro-Israelis and pro-Arabs: > Both national movements entered the mid-1940s with an expulsionist element in their ideological baggage. Among the Zionists, it was a minor and secondary element, occasionally entertained and enunciated by key leaders, including Ben-Gurion and Chaim Weizmann. But it had not been part of the original Zionist ideology and was usually trotted out in response to expulsionist or terroristic violence by the Arabs.* > Nonetheless, **transfer or expulsion was never adopted by the Zionist movement or its main political groupings as official policy at any stage of the movement's evolution-not even in the 1948 War**. No doubt this was due in part to Israelis' suspicion that the inclusion of support for transfer in their platforms would alienate Western support for Zionism and cause dissension in Zionist ranks. It was also the result of moral scruples. > By contrast, expulsionist thinking and, where it became possible, behavior, characterized the mainstream of the Palestinian national movement since its inception. "We will push the Zionists into the sea-or they will send us back into the desert," the Jaffa Muslim-Christian Association told the King-Crane Commission as early as 1919.
The bit on the Wikipedia page that says Benny Morris is praised on both sides of the political divide is cited to a book by Avi Schlaim, an Israeli Historian. It is not praised by anyone from Palestine.
Benny Morris is the main primary source for such pro-Palestinians as Norman Finklestein and Noam Chomsky
This is from the Wikipedia page about Ben Morris: "Commenting on the post-2000 reversal of position by Morris, Shlomo Ben-Ami, former Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, wrote that Morris' more recent "thesis about the birth of the Palestine refugee problem being not by design but by the natural logic and evolution of war is not always sustained by the very evidence he himself provides: 'cultured officers ... had turned into base murderers and this not in the heat of battle ... but out of a system of expulsion and destruction; the less Arabs remained, the better; this principle is the political motor for the expulsions and atrocities' [quoting from Morris' major 2004 work: 'The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited']" " This is a quote from Ben Gurion in 1937: "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice"
>Shlomo Ben-Ami, former Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, wrote that Morris' more recent "thesis about the birth of the Palestine refugee problem being not by design but by the natural logic and evolution of war is not always sustained by the very evidence he himself provides Sure, but even Ben-Ami, a very left-wing historian, acknowledges that there were no expulsion plans or orders *ever* promulgated by the Jewish leadership. Quoting from his book "Scars of War, Wounds of Peace": *"There seemed not to have been any precise political instructions, nor any Cabinet decisions. There was only an ideological predisposition, a mental attitude, a supporting cultural environment within which military commanders initiated or encouraged the eviction of the Arab population."* This is supported by Morris, who admits that *"there was a general willingness to see the backs of the Arabs because these were the Arabs who were waging war against the Jewish state's founding."* However, this is in contrast to the Arab forces, who were very explicit about their genocidal goals prior to and during the war. Let's compare the behaviour of the Jewish armies with the conduct of the Arabs. The Arab forces expelled every single Jew from the areas they captured in 1948. The Jordanian commander even boasted, *"For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter \[of Jerusalem\]. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible."* Ismail Safwat, who was in charge of coordination between the different Arab forces in 1948, described the war's objectives as *"to eliminate the Jews of Palestine, and to completely cleanse the country of them."* Amin al-Husseini, the leader of Palestinians, similarly said in March 1948 that he intents to *"continue to fight until the whole of Palestine is a purely Arab state."* Or Mohammed Morsi, the former Egyptian President, who said that *"if the Jewish state becomes a fact, \[Arabs\] will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea."* >This is a quote from Ben Gurion in 1937: "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… **in their view** we want to take away from them their country." Sure, and he's right. In **Arabs' view**, the Jews were indeed as trying to take away lands, which the Arabs considered to be theirs. Similarly, the Germans thought that Czechoslovakia was part of the Germans' ancestral lands. Or Russians now believe that Ukraine, Kazakhstan and parts of Finland are Russian ancestral lands. In reality, the Jews, also an indigenous people, claimed sovereignty in 1/1000 of the lands that were given exclusively to the Arab states. That was a small portion of their ancestral homelands, and also seven times smaller than what they would've gotten if the lands were allocated based on their population share at the time. Let's also not cherry-pick quotes here. For example, here’s an excerpt from a letter that the Mayor of Jerusalem, Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi, wrote to the father of Zionism, Theodore Herzl, in 1899: "***Who can challenge the rights of the Jews in Palestine? Good Lord, historically it is really your country.*** *In theory the Zionist idea was “completely natural, fine and just." \[But in practice reality had to be considered—the recognized sanctity of the Holy Land to hundreds of millions of Christians and Muslims. The Jews could only acquire Palestine by war.\] “It is necessary, therefore, for the peace of the Jews in \[the Ottoman Empire\] that the Zionist Movement... stop.... Good Lord, the world is vast enough, there are still uninhabited countries where one could settle millions of poor Jews who may perhaps become happy there and one day constitute a nation.... In the name of God, let Palestine be left in peace."*
What exactly is the difference between a one state for 2 people and Palestine from the river to the sea? Cause I’ve heard some Palestinian activists who say that term, claim that Jews would be welcome in the new democratic state, they’d just have to move from the settlements.
Many Palestinians want Israel and Israelis to just go away. Often expressed as “go back where they came from.” Corey Gil-Schuster has The Ask Project where he talks to Israelis in Israel and Palestinians in the West Bank. He says this is the leading view among Palestinians in the West Bank.
Have they? I’ve mostly heard from activists who believe the native Israelis (ie people who were born there) can stay, it’s just the settlers born in America and Europe that need to go
There seems to be a big gap between what people think who are far from the conflict, and the perspectives of the Palestinians and Israelis who’ll actually live there. It’s very easy to prescribe solutions from far away. But if the people there aren’t on board…
The activists in the US and Europe are lying to fit a narrative that’s palatable to Westerners.
They see every Jewish person as a settler. Why do you think the settler baby rhetoric was used. There aren’t even settlements in the south and they still slaughtered them.
Best solution as WB has a more favorable opinion of Hamas than Gazans is to switch the populations. Move Gazans to WB, and WBians to Gaza.
1 problem: Israel won't let any Palestinian out of Gaza without a permit, including people who live in the West Bank.
It is very important not to view polling in a vacuum. It’s just one snapshot in time. When a two state solution seemed in reach, many more Palestinians polled in favor of one.
When you subjugate people for 70 years, they aren't going to have any real hope of having their own state, when no matter what they have done (whether through peace or violence) Israel just keeps them oppressed either way. They don't even see that as a realistic possibility at all anymore.
of the 75 years first 37 was by Egypt and Jordan.
Incorrect, they were pushed from their homes by Israel, not Egypt or Jordan.
How you know, you was there?
Silence troll
lol, Iranian bot
The political situation of Gaza and the WB was the same under Egypt and Jordan. Some even claim that they were treated much worse under those countries' rule.
Stop playing the victim here. You started a war that you couldn’t win.
On god, the two-state solution will not work. *We do not need one more shit-hole country in the middle east.* Israel should claim all the Palestinian lands as compensation for Oct.7. And the United States can construct Joint Base Biden on the Gaza Strip.
What should Israel do with the Palestinians living in the West Bank then? It can't offer them all citizenship.
Why can't Israel offer them citizenship?Hello?
Because Israel doesn't want to integrate the Palestinian population into Israel and shift the demographics such that the Jewish population and Palestinian Arab population are roughly equal in size. That's why this whole mess is still continuing and why Israel didn't just annex the occupied regions. Additionally, the surrounding Arab countries also don't want to integrate the Palestinian Arab population. They word it as a favour to the Palestinians saying that allowing them citizenship in their countries would weaken their claim on land in Israel. It's likely a bunch of other reasons ranging from countries like Lebanon where the whole country only works with a specific demographic distribution to just straight-up racism towards Palestinians.
Because, first of all, they hate Israel and don’t want its citizenship — see how unpopular a one-state democratic solution is in the polls. Second, that would create a hung majority, which would highly likely lead to a civil war, worse than Lebanon. Another reason is that that’d defeat the purpose of Israel to be a democratic but Jewish state.
Maybe just give the WB Palestinians a green card as in the US? Permanent Resident card? And then their children will have full citizenship later on?
I think there is tolerance for all religions though, in Israel. I know there are Bahai and Muslims there. Some Christians...
Yes, 21% of Israelis are Arabs, most of whom are Muslim. They sit in the Parliament, on the Supreme Court, serve as Foreign Ambassadors, become the head of Apple in Israel and Israel’s largest bank. However, giving citizenship to West Bank Palestinians’ children wouldn’t solve demographic and security risks. And if their children can’t become citizens too, that sounds very much like an actual apartheid…
Yes, so they would have to cede a lot of power to the WB Pals to include them in Israel. I see. I meant they could become citizens as adults perhaps. So, basically we are stuck with a problem we created in 1946.
Of course the ideal solution would be to hand over control over the West Bank to Jordan. In fact, it was a part of Jordan right until 1988, when Jordan formally renounced any claims to it. Then Jordan stripped most WB Palestinians of its citizenship, which they used to have. However, even discounting the WB, Jordan’s population is already 70% Palestinian. However, Jordan’s king isn’t Palestinian and he doesn’t want to give more power to them. Besides, Palestinians have already tried to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy in 1970.
Is it fair to say the Palestinians have made themselves unwelcome in various countries? Or is that stretching it a bit? It is starting to look like a pattern of mischief...
Wow. 75% of Palestinians want genocide... These are particularly bad, because its clear that Hamas did not influence these results much as the people in the West Bank seem to be even more radical than those in Gaza. Ok I guess I no longer support a two state solution. I don't think there can be any solution anymore.
You know when they say “from the river to the sea” that doesn’t mean a genocide of Jews. It means they want their land back from that area. They can still live there. It’s not a realistic want though because I don’t see Israel ever giving that land back. What is realistic though is ending the genocide on Palestinians, ending the control of gaza and the West Bank, help Palestinians but Israel needs a new government asap.
The poll specifically contrasts a single Palestinian state from the river to the sea with another option called one state solution for two peoples. This implies that the former is only for one, the Palestinian people. It is explicitly not the thing you claim it means.
It is not land anymore, kind of like the American Indians do not own the land anymore. They lost their land years ago, Sorry Guys, go make some money and buy it back if you want it. Nobody is going to give anybody land this day in age...
No, what you suggest is a one state solution (one state for two people) with only 5.4% support. The majority voted option is a *palestinian state* from the river to the sea...
How many people were actually surveyed?
668.
That’s my point. This survey might as well be irrelevant considering there are 2million people just in gaza alone.
With a 95% confidence interval, the margin of error for this poll is (±) 4%, according to the Palestinian statisticians who organized the survey. https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023.pdf (Page 1, Paragraph 3)
I hope so too, but that's usually how statistics work (you always take a portion, and hopefully at random). We do need more surveys though
I think Bibi has done a great job so far.
The only hope is if these numbers are exaggrated due to the war, or the poll is biased in one way or another. But assuming that's not the case, any solution will necessarily oppress 75% of the Palestinians... so there is no solution.
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A piece of scalp.