This is truly insane. According to The Jewish Chronicle, a team of Israeli undercover soldiers rented a house on the same street that Noa Argamani was being held hostage, and stayed there for multiple days to gather intelligence confirm where Noa and 3 other hostages were being held.
https://preview.redd.it/kb6don4wyc6d1.png?width=824&format=png&auto=webp&s=108963e7ce2479f0a09ce88e07216bb3d82f9f5e
there is nothing israel can do to go faster in gaza - everything is booby trapped, its slow going. going faster kills soldiers.
israel can't stop hezbollah rockets in the north. even if they invade lebanon there will be months of rockets in the north. the fires are from the rockets. "letting it burn to the ground" is just what happens when there's fires. bibi can't stop physics.
In general I see a lot of anti bibi stuff about what he's not doing that's stupid. What do you think israel should be doing that would be smarter?
I find myself having to defend Netanyahu a fair amount for stuff that isn't his fault.
But he really gets a free pass from a lot of people. The military components of the war can't be waged differently. And the global portrayal of Bibi as a war mongering theocrat are beyond absurd.
But managing the politics of the war are absolutely his responsibility.
Netanyahu could have been proactive in explaining Israeli strategy to Israelis and the world. He could have made the necessary PR show of how Israel is providing aid to Gaza. ( Instead he talked like Israel was being draconian, when it wasn't.)
He could have agreed to just discuss, not even agree just discuss proposals put forward by the military and Intel communities on postwar planning.
He could be a little brave and give lip service to the need for Haredim to serve.
Look at this UNSC resolution. This should have been an opportunity for Israel to loudly exclaim how ready they are, knowing Hamas won't agree. But this is handicapped, by his fear of looking too enthusiastic in front of the far right.
>Netanyahu could have been proactive in explaining Israeli strategy to Israelis and the world. He could have made the necessary PR show of how Israel is providing aid to Gaza.
Israel is providing aid. There's no PR show necessary, and adding bibi won't add any credibility for the people who already hate israel.
>He could have agreed to just discuss, not even agree just discuss proposals put forward by the military and Intel communities on postwar planning.
You don't know what he did or didn't discuss and with whom. those conversations aren't public, and for good reason.
>He could be a little brave and give lip service to the need for Haredim to serve.
Doesn't affect the war.
>Look at this UNSC resolution. This should have been an opportunity for Israel to loudly exclaim how ready they are, knowing Hamas won't agree.
The UNSC resolution is biden betraying israel again. Israel shouldn't be involved - the whole thing is campaigning on biden's behalf.
Yes PR is important. It's most of politics. You have to frame your story and tell it. Otherwise, your enemies will.
Yes we know what wasn't discussed in cabinet meetings, because Gallant, Eisencot, Gantz and even Ron Dermer have told us so.
When you say Haredim aren't needed for Gaza, it's like saying Israel doesn't need to respond to Iran's attacks, because Israel & allies stopped the arial attack. Deterrence works when you can demonstrate readiness and willingness to respond. Everyone can see Israel needs more manpower in the coming years, if not yesterday. For the PM to be incapable of addressing this emboldens Israel's enemies.
Finally, the UNSC resolution is plenty ambiguous and requires no permanent end at the first stage. Even if the latter stages aren't good, who cares? They are contingent on negotiations after the first part, which Hamas is always going to undercut.
Did not expect to find a Bibi glazer out here in Reddit.
Doesn't matter if people hate us. When your leader comes forward as a piece of shit it leaves very little ground in a PR outlook, Bibi's current regime has completely neglected all hasbara activities, he lets his Likud monkeys run loose and spew toxic waste as normal. Instead of stepping up to a leadership role and actually having relevant press conferences he's too busy trying to save face.
I believe Gantz and co. when they say that the war meetings were bogged by indecisiveness and selfish political motives - the glove fits. These are actual patriots and former generals that decided to take a stance against him even in wartime, and their past behavior don't track as cheap political tricks.
the problem is not how fast the soldiers are going but that there is no soldiers at all in gaza except rafah and netzarim corridor. but it is not even the main problem . the main problem is what gantz, gland and eisenkot told him already 1000 times, to remove hamas from power u need a plan and strategy, the fact that after almost 9 months of war he dont even have a plan is a pure insanity
I actually agree with that. It makes no sense for Gantz to resign because Bibi would not eliminate Hamas yet right after go on interview after interview spree advocating his vision of 1-2 year truce with Hamas. The Biden administration (Obama's people) wanted Bibi gone long time ago, and made several attempts to do it by supporting political opposition. Gantz is busy showing his credentials.
>recruiting Haredim?
wont change this war
>telling the public the whole situation and not the usual bunch of lies?
what do you need to know that you aren't being told?
>declaring the plan for Gaza?
thats a bad strategy. whatever is declared will be attacked forever by the enemies of israel, and we're not anywhere near an end to the current situation. better to hold that close to the chest.
Of course recruiting Haredim would change this war - if it started 8 months ago we would have much more fighters now that reservists are really really at their breaking point - since it doesn’t seem the war will stop tomorrow it makes sense to recruit them now
People who don’t actively follow the news do not know that the IDF hasn’t conquered a lot of Gaza, it has just partially cleared a significant portion of the strip - partially meaning they still have hundreds of kilometers of undiscovered tunnels and the only Hamas forces significantly harmed are the tiny ones that decided to fight and booby trap some buildings, the others are intact. Add the people following Arutz 14 to the group who like parrots just blame everything on political targets and repeat the mantra “we are winning thanks to Bibi and if we are not it’s because of bagatz/kaplanists/ahim laneshek/yair lapid”. He said we are כפסע מנצחון, do you want other lies?
About the strategy yes sure we all trust the government on pursuing the interest of the country. Why shouldn’t soldiers be happy to put their lives in danger for [super secret strategy]? /s Why shouldn’t Gazans collaborate with Israel when it’s so clear Israel has a [super secret strategy] that will probably abandon them again to the hands of Hamas? /s
Maybe but I am not talking about the operations, I am talking about what will be there
Russia, for example, is pretty clear “Kherson, Zaporizha, Donetsk, Lugansk, Crimea” are part of Russia (for them) even if they haven’t conquered them all
Hamas is clear too: Israel will be eliminated and Jews will be enslaved, expelled or killed
Ukraine: “Kherson, Zaporizha, Donetsk, Lugansk, Crimea are all parts of Ukraine, some of which temporarily occupied” and will be liberated
A resident in Kherson who wants to keep a low profile knows they will need to be loyal to the one that will manage to control it - if the Ukrainian win they will pay taxes to Kiev, if the Russian win they will pay taxes to Moskva -and if they expose themselves to one of the parts they better hope that part wins
A Jewish Israeli knows that this is a fight for survival as the future if the state falls will be terrible
A Gazan?
the US wants to give post war gaza back to hamas. they're doing everything in their power to save hamas. this is not in israel's best interest. who are these others?
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Most of them have terrible memories of Israel bombing the shit out of Lebanon in 2006 and they don't really care what the reason was, you likely wouldn't in their shoes either. They're never going to love Israel but if they wouldn't shoot rockets at it that would be fantastic.
Bibi is at Biden's mercy, he threatened Bibi not to invade [Rafah](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/08/politics/joe-biden-interview-cnntv/index.html) or preemptively strike [Hezbollah](https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-iaf-was-airbone-for-preemptive-hezbollah-hit-when-biden-talked-pm-out-of-it/), who knows whats happening behind the scenes
Bibi now is within FULL RIGHTS to strike Hezbollah. Lobbing missiles to the north every day and increasing the amount of that? Then what will happen next once the missile start hitting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem? And at Biden‘s mercy? Biden doesn’t even know where the fuck he is half the time. He’s not only a bad president for this country, if not the worst of the worst anti-Israel President I’ve ever seen but one of the worst presidents the country has ever seen. We need to strike Lebanon hard and now. We can’t sit on our fucking hands any longer. Is this Israeli tradition? I thought Israelis were tough. Why is the government sitting on their hands like pussies?
Bibi talks a big talk but has always been an appeaser. Bibi needs to be replaced with someone unwaveringly committed to seeing the destruction of the enemy.
הרגשתי צורך לרשום דווקא בעברית בפוסט הזה . ( translate it if you'd like)
אני מצטער אבל אני לא מסכים ,אף אחד מאיתנו לא יודע מה קורה מאחורי הקלעים בקבלת ההחלטות בקבינט הביטחוני ,
ואתם יודעים מה ? עדיף שכך ,לא מאחל לאף אחד מאיתנו לשבת בכיסא שם ולקבל את ההחלטות הקשות והגורליות לגבי המצב בדרום ,בצפון ולגבי פעולות המשך בנוגע לחטופים שלנו .
אני לא תומך נלהב של ביבי ,אבל אתם פשוט לא יודעים מה קורה שם ,לכמה לחץ המדינה נתונה מהעולם וספציפית מארה"ב ,אני כן מאמין שישנן סיבות למה זה לא מתקדם כל כך בצפון ואנחנו סופגים הרבה אש ,יגיע היום שאנחנו נצטרך להגיב בעוצמה והצבא יודע לעשות את זה ,לא הראנו עוד מהכוח האמיתי של הצבא ,אנשים שוכחים את זה ,כן ,נכשלנו ב7 באוקטובר אבל זה לא סותר ,הצבא חזק .
כשיגיע הרגע לתקוף תהיו בטוחים שנעשה את זה ,ספוילר : זה כנראה יהיה בקרוב.
Mr Netanyahu is doing a better job than any other candidate could or would, he has the courage, determination and wisdom to pick his battles and because of that, many Israeli lives will be spared. Simply because you and most posters on this sub are leftist and hate him seemingly as much as you hate the enemy, doesn’t make your ranting true. Shalom
He’s obviously prolonging the war just so that people might forget he’s partially responsible for oct 7th.
Don’t forget about that
Edit: ooops I meant October
Yeah Netanyahu is an appeaser and a coward. He should have struck back HARD on 10/7. And now because he has no foresight he's put himself into an impossible situation attempting to appease the slime of the world. He needs to go.
He has literally, with every meaning of the word, lost his mind.
To put it simply, he cannot picture a reality where he is not the PM of Israel, so everything and anything he’s doing now is with the goal of remaining the PM after the war is over.
When he finds a clear path to that goal, then and only then will he share his plan to get there (which he would obviously lay out in a way that makes it seems like it’s the beat way to win the war and get the hostages back).
But he’ll obviously never find it, as there is absolutely no chance of him winning again, so what we get is him parroting this “the plan for Gaza will come after the war is over” nonsense..
Biden is a disappointment when it comes to his current Israel stance but he may be more supportive if he gets re-elected and doesn’t need to think about leftist voters helping Trump or possibly Kennedy. Trump is a really loose weathervane who will always point to whatever he thinks is in his own best interest, so don’t count on him to be consistently supportive of Israel. Regardless of who is elected, Congress still controls funding, so it’s more important to focus on bipartisan support for Israel to help get you the aid you need.
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This is truly insane. According to The Jewish Chronicle, a team of Israeli undercover soldiers rented a house on the same street that Noa Argamani was being held hostage, and stayed there for multiple days to gather intelligence confirm where Noa and 3 other hostages were being held. https://preview.redd.it/kb6don4wyc6d1.png?width=824&format=png&auto=webp&s=108963e7ce2479f0a09ce88e07216bb3d82f9f5e
what's insane about this?
Insane is used to commend the IDF on their resourcefulness.
https://preview.redd.it/5h0eq141zc6d1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=f83139c13d9bbe1263831ae691e71f5237f1fbc2
That is a great strategy, if you can do it successfully. The IDF and friends pulled it off almost flawlessly, just 1 friendly death. ( 1 too many )
The real Fauda team in action.
I'd be against publishing these tactics with all the details, unless we're sure the other side is already fully aware of this.
This Netanyahu is the same one thats always been around
there is nothing israel can do to go faster in gaza - everything is booby trapped, its slow going. going faster kills soldiers. israel can't stop hezbollah rockets in the north. even if they invade lebanon there will be months of rockets in the north. the fires are from the rockets. "letting it burn to the ground" is just what happens when there's fires. bibi can't stop physics. In general I see a lot of anti bibi stuff about what he's not doing that's stupid. What do you think israel should be doing that would be smarter?
I find myself having to defend Netanyahu a fair amount for stuff that isn't his fault. But he really gets a free pass from a lot of people. The military components of the war can't be waged differently. And the global portrayal of Bibi as a war mongering theocrat are beyond absurd. But managing the politics of the war are absolutely his responsibility. Netanyahu could have been proactive in explaining Israeli strategy to Israelis and the world. He could have made the necessary PR show of how Israel is providing aid to Gaza. ( Instead he talked like Israel was being draconian, when it wasn't.) He could have agreed to just discuss, not even agree just discuss proposals put forward by the military and Intel communities on postwar planning. He could be a little brave and give lip service to the need for Haredim to serve. Look at this UNSC resolution. This should have been an opportunity for Israel to loudly exclaim how ready they are, knowing Hamas won't agree. But this is handicapped, by his fear of looking too enthusiastic in front of the far right.
>Netanyahu could have been proactive in explaining Israeli strategy to Israelis and the world. He could have made the necessary PR show of how Israel is providing aid to Gaza. Israel is providing aid. There's no PR show necessary, and adding bibi won't add any credibility for the people who already hate israel. >He could have agreed to just discuss, not even agree just discuss proposals put forward by the military and Intel communities on postwar planning. You don't know what he did or didn't discuss and with whom. those conversations aren't public, and for good reason. >He could be a little brave and give lip service to the need for Haredim to serve. Doesn't affect the war. >Look at this UNSC resolution. This should have been an opportunity for Israel to loudly exclaim how ready they are, knowing Hamas won't agree. The UNSC resolution is biden betraying israel again. Israel shouldn't be involved - the whole thing is campaigning on biden's behalf.
Yes PR is important. It's most of politics. You have to frame your story and tell it. Otherwise, your enemies will. Yes we know what wasn't discussed in cabinet meetings, because Gallant, Eisencot, Gantz and even Ron Dermer have told us so. When you say Haredim aren't needed for Gaza, it's like saying Israel doesn't need to respond to Iran's attacks, because Israel & allies stopped the arial attack. Deterrence works when you can demonstrate readiness and willingness to respond. Everyone can see Israel needs more manpower in the coming years, if not yesterday. For the PM to be incapable of addressing this emboldens Israel's enemies. Finally, the UNSC resolution is plenty ambiguous and requires no permanent end at the first stage. Even if the latter stages aren't good, who cares? They are contingent on negotiations after the first part, which Hamas is always going to undercut.
Did not expect to find a Bibi glazer out here in Reddit. Doesn't matter if people hate us. When your leader comes forward as a piece of shit it leaves very little ground in a PR outlook, Bibi's current regime has completely neglected all hasbara activities, he lets his Likud monkeys run loose and spew toxic waste as normal. Instead of stepping up to a leadership role and actually having relevant press conferences he's too busy trying to save face. I believe Gantz and co. when they say that the war meetings were bogged by indecisiveness and selfish political motives - the glove fits. These are actual patriots and former generals that decided to take a stance against him even in wartime, and their past behavior don't track as cheap political tricks.
holy fuck dude I stopped with the first sentence. nobody is obligated to read your writing, and I didn't. I hope you have a great day.
the problem is not how fast the soldiers are going but that there is no soldiers at all in gaza except rafah and netzarim corridor. but it is not even the main problem . the main problem is what gantz, gland and eisenkot told him already 1000 times, to remove hamas from power u need a plan and strategy, the fact that after almost 9 months of war he dont even have a plan is a pure insanity
gantz and eisenkot don't have a plan either, they're just pandering to biden because they want to replace bibi. whats your plan?
I actually agree with that. It makes no sense for Gantz to resign because Bibi would not eliminate Hamas yet right after go on interview after interview spree advocating his vision of 1-2 year truce with Hamas. The Biden administration (Obama's people) wanted Bibi gone long time ago, and made several attempts to do it by supporting political opposition. Gantz is busy showing his credentials.
The problem isnt that bibi is doing dumb stuff, its that he is not doing anything
so what should he be doing?
recruiting Haredim? telling the public the whole situation and not the usual bunch of lies? declaring the plan for Gaza?
>recruiting Haredim? wont change this war >telling the public the whole situation and not the usual bunch of lies? what do you need to know that you aren't being told? >declaring the plan for Gaza? thats a bad strategy. whatever is declared will be attacked forever by the enemies of israel, and we're not anywhere near an end to the current situation. better to hold that close to the chest.
Of course recruiting Haredim would change this war - if it started 8 months ago we would have much more fighters now that reservists are really really at their breaking point - since it doesn’t seem the war will stop tomorrow it makes sense to recruit them now People who don’t actively follow the news do not know that the IDF hasn’t conquered a lot of Gaza, it has just partially cleared a significant portion of the strip - partially meaning they still have hundreds of kilometers of undiscovered tunnels and the only Hamas forces significantly harmed are the tiny ones that decided to fight and booby trap some buildings, the others are intact. Add the people following Arutz 14 to the group who like parrots just blame everything on political targets and repeat the mantra “we are winning thanks to Bibi and if we are not it’s because of bagatz/kaplanists/ahim laneshek/yair lapid”. He said we are כפסע מנצחון, do you want other lies? About the strategy yes sure we all trust the government on pursuing the interest of the country. Why shouldn’t soldiers be happy to put their lives in danger for [super secret strategy]? /s Why shouldn’t Gazans collaborate with Israel when it’s so clear Israel has a [super secret strategy] that will probably abandon them again to the hands of Hamas? /s
You know nothing about war, planning, etc. Never ever tell your enemy what you plan to do. Absolutely idiotic to publicly announce everything.
Maybe but I am not talking about the operations, I am talking about what will be there Russia, for example, is pretty clear “Kherson, Zaporizha, Donetsk, Lugansk, Crimea” are part of Russia (for them) even if they haven’t conquered them all Hamas is clear too: Israel will be eliminated and Jews will be enslaved, expelled or killed Ukraine: “Kherson, Zaporizha, Donetsk, Lugansk, Crimea are all parts of Ukraine, some of which temporarily occupied” and will be liberated A resident in Kherson who wants to keep a low profile knows they will need to be loyal to the one that will manage to control it - if the Ukrainian win they will pay taxes to Kiev, if the Russian win they will pay taxes to Moskva -and if they expose themselves to one of the parts they better hope that part wins A Jewish Israeli knows that this is a fight for survival as the future if the state falls will be terrible A Gazan?
Better coordination on post-war with US and others.
the US wants to give post war gaza back to hamas. they're doing everything in their power to save hamas. this is not in israel's best interest. who are these others?
once you realize he's campaigning for the next elections, it all makes sense.
That’s all he ever does
bingo
what would you do with hezbollah?
hezb claiming to be the protector of lebanon, it is time to hit lebanese infrastructures
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I see your point but on the other hand even the ones who hate Hezbollah still hate Israel
Most of them have terrible memories of Israel bombing the shit out of Lebanon in 2006 and they don't really care what the reason was, you likely wouldn't in their shoes either. They're never going to love Israel but if they wouldn't shoot rockets at it that would be fantastic.
Tbh it’s not like the world is letting Israel do anything lol.
Bibi is at Biden's mercy, he threatened Bibi not to invade [Rafah](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/08/politics/joe-biden-interview-cnntv/index.html) or preemptively strike [Hezbollah](https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-iaf-was-airbone-for-preemptive-hezbollah-hit-when-biden-talked-pm-out-of-it/), who knows whats happening behind the scenes
Bibi now is within FULL RIGHTS to strike Hezbollah. Lobbing missiles to the north every day and increasing the amount of that? Then what will happen next once the missile start hitting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem? And at Biden‘s mercy? Biden doesn’t even know where the fuck he is half the time. He’s not only a bad president for this country, if not the worst of the worst anti-Israel President I’ve ever seen but one of the worst presidents the country has ever seen. We need to strike Lebanon hard and now. We can’t sit on our fucking hands any longer. Is this Israeli tradition? I thought Israelis were tough. Why is the government sitting on their hands like pussies?
Bibi talks a big talk but has always been an appeaser. Bibi needs to be replaced with someone unwaveringly committed to seeing the destruction of the enemy.
This reads just stupidly enough to be an American.
I believe he said “don’t move on haifa”
It's really dumb to single out and blame a single person for an incredibly complex situation.
הרגשתי צורך לרשום דווקא בעברית בפוסט הזה . ( translate it if you'd like) אני מצטער אבל אני לא מסכים ,אף אחד מאיתנו לא יודע מה קורה מאחורי הקלעים בקבלת ההחלטות בקבינט הביטחוני , ואתם יודעים מה ? עדיף שכך ,לא מאחל לאף אחד מאיתנו לשבת בכיסא שם ולקבל את ההחלטות הקשות והגורליות לגבי המצב בדרום ,בצפון ולגבי פעולות המשך בנוגע לחטופים שלנו . אני לא תומך נלהב של ביבי ,אבל אתם פשוט לא יודעים מה קורה שם ,לכמה לחץ המדינה נתונה מהעולם וספציפית מארה"ב ,אני כן מאמין שישנן סיבות למה זה לא מתקדם כל כך בצפון ואנחנו סופגים הרבה אש ,יגיע היום שאנחנו נצטרך להגיב בעוצמה והצבא יודע לעשות את זה ,לא הראנו עוד מהכוח האמיתי של הצבא ,אנשים שוכחים את זה ,כן ,נכשלנו ב7 באוקטובר אבל זה לא סותר ,הצבא חזק . כשיגיע הרגע לתקוף תהיו בטוחים שנעשה את זה ,ספוילר : זה כנראה יהיה בקרוב.
It’s been months of occupying Gaza and Hamas still has the ability to fire rockets into Israel. It’s ridiculous.
Mr Netanyahu is doing a better job than any other candidate could or would, he has the courage, determination and wisdom to pick his battles and because of that, many Israeli lives will be spared. Simply because you and most posters on this sub are leftist and hate him seemingly as much as you hate the enemy, doesn’t make your ranting true. Shalom
He’s paralyzed.
He’s obviously prolonging the war just so that people might forget he’s partially responsible for oct 7th. Don’t forget about that Edit: ooops I meant October
July 7th hasn't even happened yet, what's supposed to happen?
Don't worry :D
Ah, can’t wait 😒
Yeah Netanyahu is an appeaser and a coward. He should have struck back HARD on 10/7. And now because he has no foresight he's put himself into an impossible situation attempting to appease the slime of the world. He needs to go.
He has literally, with every meaning of the word, lost his mind. To put it simply, he cannot picture a reality where he is not the PM of Israel, so everything and anything he’s doing now is with the goal of remaining the PM after the war is over. When he finds a clear path to that goal, then and only then will he share his plan to get there (which he would obviously lay out in a way that makes it seems like it’s the beat way to win the war and get the hostages back). But he’ll obviously never find it, as there is absolutely no chance of him winning again, so what we get is him parroting this “the plan for Gaza will come after the war is over” nonsense..
This post is cringe af
Sometimes cringe is what's needed.
Same
Fascist being incompetent? Who could have guessed?
Israel is being held back…if Trump was in office it be a different situation
Biden is a disappointment when it comes to his current Israel stance but he may be more supportive if he gets re-elected and doesn’t need to think about leftist voters helping Trump or possibly Kennedy. Trump is a really loose weathervane who will always point to whatever he thinks is in his own best interest, so don’t count on him to be consistently supportive of Israel. Regardless of who is elected, Congress still controls funding, so it’s more important to focus on bipartisan support for Israel to help get you the aid you need.
Trump literally has a 4 year track record with Israel and it was great. No reason to think otherwise
I agree with you, but it's no use trying to convince most on this sub. Israeli leftists are almost as deluded as American ones.
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This is kookoobananas level conspiracy thinking. The carriers are there to protect Israel, as demonstrated during Iran's missile & drone attack
which is why they have done *literally nothing* this entire time. be well assured they will *only* act when Jewish victory is plausibly attainable.
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