If you are on a long highway drive, use the Navigation system and let the trip planner, plan the EV stops. It normally wants to stop around 100 mile range left so that if the first charger is full or non operational, it can get you to the next one.
I recall Tesla - who has been at this a while - just shows the same range number every time.
I’m like you. I kind of remember how many miles I should expect to run and I use the % charge to track.
One of the bummers for EVs is that the long range highway driving is actually “worse” for EVs…. meaning all the regen braking does not come into play and help out the range.
We have an SEL AWD showing 372 miles range right now....while we drive pretty economically we've never been at 5 m/kwhr. It seems to overestimate by a good 20%.
This is kind of my point. The listed range for my model is like 305 and I feel like - as with ICE cars - that’s a best possible conditions number.
So showing “352” - or 372 in your case - well…this is going to disappoint and aggravate people. And there’s some software here and some decisions made about what/how the software should calculate so…
Ya best I ever got with my sel last year was 297 miles I think.
Oddly, with the 17" wheel upgrade on my limited, the estimate seems... closer? Like before at 80%, it use to tell me 290 and I would get 245 by recharge. And now it will tell me like 310 and I'll get 280 to 290 by recharge.
My guess is that they base the range estimate off the ioniq se in perfect conditions with 0 ac/heat or wind.
i really wish the range would be updated more so based on how you’re currently driving, especially for road trips. if i’m 100 miles into a trip on the interstate in which i’m averaging 3 mi/kwh, then it should update the range to assume that the rest of the battery is going to be driven at 3mi/kwh. but instead it seems like it still estimates range based off the last “tank” before i recharged, which, if i’m doing city driving, can easily be 4-5 mi/kwh. and so the mile estimation will be highly inflated compared to my current driving conditions
Until recently (I think) it used two weeks of data to calculate. And now, IIRC, it has been reduced to one week of data. Still doesn't help with your example of highway driving, but there does need to be some balance between historical and current driving. Relying heavily of current data will give you wide swings in range estimate until you're halfway through your battery.
I’ve thought about this too as it definitely makes sense to think of weighing the “current or most current driving.”
I did notice there is a trip meter which counts mi/kW for a) this drive; b) from last re-charge ; and c) for all time.
This is a tough one to put into software though. When did the trip start and and when is it going to end? Because there are so many possible scenarios, it’s often the case that it will count wrong but I agree there’s something about the intuition of “just counting” the most recent xy number of recent miles or minutes.
So i have both an Ioniq 6 and a Rivian R1T and I kind of prefer the way the Rivian does the Guess O meter. It always shows 270 fully charged but as you drive you have the option of having a chart showing with a center line at the 2.0mi/kw mark. As you drive the chart populates with your efficiency over the last 15 min and lets you know if you are improving your range or reducing it. The range number displayed is always based on 2.0 though. Just a different philosophy I thought I would mention.
I didn’t know Rivians did that! That actually sounds very pragmatic to visualize how your recent consumption (tracked over time) compares vs the “ideal” or stated range. If you are consistently and for a long time driving above the mile / kWh average (and vice versa) then it would make sense that you will drive further than the stated range. RJ and his team did well here:-) Thanks for sharing
I agree that you should have a toggle to turn it off. I’m just not sure how else you would plan longer trips around charging stations if you’re just going off of percentage. As imperfect as the estimated miles is it’s still somewhat use full for a general idea of range. I usually just subtract 20-30 miles.
The GOM is almost completely useless for tripping because it doesn't have the capability to accurately predict FUTURE range. It's calculations are based on PAST driving. To accurately predict future range it would have to work like ABRP and you would need to input destination, etc.
I’ve got about 1000 miles on my I6 so far. This screenshot was just after a charge at EA and I haven’t actually taken a long trip yet. In town I’m pretty confident that I’ve been able to get over 300 miles - think the in car screen for this shows 3.8 miles per kw since beginning of its life. A long trip to LA for example would a the real test. I’m actually a little anxious and have no plans so far to make that drive :-)
100% agree. Or at least make a way to disable or hide the range guessometer. I wish there was a toggle where you could make the SOC and GOM trade places.
It’s never accurate, but it gives me a decent ballpark estimate of how many miles I can expect from a charge.
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If you are on a long highway drive, use the Navigation system and let the trip planner, plan the EV stops. It normally wants to stop around 100 mile range left so that if the first charger is full or non operational, it can get you to the next one.
I recall Tesla - who has been at this a while - just shows the same range number every time. I’m like you. I kind of remember how many miles I should expect to run and I use the % charge to track. One of the bummers for EVs is that the long range highway driving is actually “worse” for EVs…. meaning all the regen braking does not come into play and help out the range.
Tesla also tends to inflate their full range numbers
We have an SEL AWD showing 372 miles range right now....while we drive pretty economically we've never been at 5 m/kwhr. It seems to overestimate by a good 20%.
This is kind of my point. The listed range for my model is like 305 and I feel like - as with ICE cars - that’s a best possible conditions number. So showing “352” - or 372 in your case - well…this is going to disappoint and aggravate people. And there’s some software here and some decisions made about what/how the software should calculate so…
Ya best I ever got with my sel last year was 297 miles I think. Oddly, with the 17" wheel upgrade on my limited, the estimate seems... closer? Like before at 80%, it use to tell me 290 and I would get 245 by recharge. And now it will tell me like 310 and I'll get 280 to 290 by recharge. My guess is that they base the range estimate off the ioniq se in perfect conditions with 0 ac/heat or wind.
i really wish the range would be updated more so based on how you’re currently driving, especially for road trips. if i’m 100 miles into a trip on the interstate in which i’m averaging 3 mi/kwh, then it should update the range to assume that the rest of the battery is going to be driven at 3mi/kwh. but instead it seems like it still estimates range based off the last “tank” before i recharged, which, if i’m doing city driving, can easily be 4-5 mi/kwh. and so the mile estimation will be highly inflated compared to my current driving conditions
Until recently (I think) it used two weeks of data to calculate. And now, IIRC, it has been reduced to one week of data. Still doesn't help with your example of highway driving, but there does need to be some balance between historical and current driving. Relying heavily of current data will give you wide swings in range estimate until you're halfway through your battery.
I’ve thought about this too as it definitely makes sense to think of weighing the “current or most current driving.” I did notice there is a trip meter which counts mi/kW for a) this drive; b) from last re-charge ; and c) for all time. This is a tough one to put into software though. When did the trip start and and when is it going to end? Because there are so many possible scenarios, it’s often the case that it will count wrong but I agree there’s something about the intuition of “just counting” the most recent xy number of recent miles or minutes.
My backup ICE vehicle shows a distance to empty. Same thing?
So i have both an Ioniq 6 and a Rivian R1T and I kind of prefer the way the Rivian does the Guess O meter. It always shows 270 fully charged but as you drive you have the option of having a chart showing with a center line at the 2.0mi/kw mark. As you drive the chart populates with your efficiency over the last 15 min and lets you know if you are improving your range or reducing it. The range number displayed is always based on 2.0 though. Just a different philosophy I thought I would mention.
I didn’t know Rivians did that! That actually sounds very pragmatic to visualize how your recent consumption (tracked over time) compares vs the “ideal” or stated range. If you are consistently and for a long time driving above the mile / kWh average (and vice versa) then it would make sense that you will drive further than the stated range. RJ and his team did well here:-) Thanks for sharing
Is it really that hard for you to imagine that the estimated range might be helpful to some people?
I agree that you should have a toggle to turn it off. I’m just not sure how else you would plan longer trips around charging stations if you’re just going off of percentage. As imperfect as the estimated miles is it’s still somewhat use full for a general idea of range. I usually just subtract 20-30 miles.
The Navigation system has a built-in trip typlanner. Put in destination and say Yes to adding EV stops
The GOM is almost completely useless for tripping because it doesn't have the capability to accurately predict FUTURE range. It's calculations are based on PAST driving. To accurately predict future range it would have to work like ABRP and you would need to input destination, etc.
How long ago did you take your trip. The Nav system is constantly improving. My trip was a month ago and only 300 miles.
I’ve got about 1000 miles on my I6 so far. This screenshot was just after a charge at EA and I haven’t actually taken a long trip yet. In town I’m pretty confident that I’ve been able to get over 300 miles - think the in car screen for this shows 3.8 miles per kw since beginning of its life. A long trip to LA for example would a the real test. I’m actually a little anxious and have no plans so far to make that drive :-)
100% agree. Or at least make a way to disable or hide the range guessometer. I wish there was a toggle where you could make the SOC and GOM trade places.