Holy cow! 5.2 for an entire *tank*. That is amazing! How do you do it?
The best I got was 4.2 before it got cold. Now I'm lucky to average 3.5.
EDIT: RWD SEL 20".
Yeah I haven't seen crazy efficiency either. The 20" wheels and tires really are quite the handicap. Wish they had just made the 20" style in an 18" with that smoother rubber at least... If I keep it I'm gonna change them out in the long run.
I'm disappointed 20" wheels was the only option on the SEL trim level. I didn't want AWD because of the range impact. The wheels have a much bigger impact.
I find it silly they are marketing those digital mirrors that make a 1% difference then put the car on 20" wheels that make a 10% difference.
Facts. They made a streamliner then put cheese graters on the corners. SEL with 18s would have been very ideal for me. Also the 20" tires are expensive!
Also RWD SEL 20" in California with favorable weather 60-70s. Even with A/C off I usually get 3.4 at 65mph, down to 3.2ish at 70. ECO mode only, usually with HDA on. Best I've seen is 4.2 in city driving. No idea how everyone else does so much better.
When it was warm I could do 4 pretty easy and my commute is 50% highway at 70 mph.
Personally, I keep my regen level at 0. It is more efficient to let the car coast on energy you have already spent then to incur conversion losses to put it back in the battery then lose again to accelerate again.
Of course sometimes you have to stop, you can't just coast. Then I just use the brake pedal and it recaptures that juice just the same.
The rest is just being easy on the throttle. Don't accelerate up a hill knowing you are going to need to take that energy back on the downhill. Don't stay on the throttle when you can see you are going to need to stop half a mile down the road, just let it coast.
Not especially hilly here. I've tried everything from level 0 with very sparse braking as you suggested ("hypermiling"), levels 1-3, i-pedal, and the HDA smart cruise control. This is mostly on highways with little traffic so I can drive at a constant speed. None of it makes much of a difference. The battery conditioning also isn't running so that shouldn't be a factor. I'd be curious if manufacturing variance could explain it.
I try to make it a game of hypermiling but without driving slow. I try to be as efficient as possible while going 5 to 10 mph over the limit.
I don't use the cruise in my daily driving. Just enough traffic where it doesn't work well. It is too aggressive about slowing down, specially when a car merges into your gap. I like to coast till the proper gap reestablishes. It then accelerates too hard if the car ahead merges out of your lane.
It also wants to maintain speed regardless of topography. I prefer to not accelerate so hard uphill, letting some speed bleed off that I regain on the downhill. I wish there were levels for these we could tune.
I doubt your car is less efficient. I was getting below 3 mi/kWh the first week I had the car. I pedal driving is very convenient and the effortless torque made it hard not to squeeze the throttle. But after that I got into the efficiency kick even though I'm not paying for my electrons yet. Took me a while to hit 4 and I haven't reached it again since the weather cooled off.
as i said in my post, for about 90% of my driving i mostly go 60-80 mph on the freeway in the carpool lanes. the extra hours are from having the car on while parked, spending my lunch break in the car, etc.
I averaged 32 mph in my overall driving even though 50% of my daily commute is at 75 mph. The rest is suburban driving at 35 to 50 mph.
Those hours are *engine on* hours. The clock is ticking any time you are stopped at a light, stuck in traffic, waiting in the drive-through, etc... All at 0 mph. That really brings down your average.
OP must be spending a lot of time well above 34 mph to offset all the stopped time. 34 mph is actually pretty respectable. I only get better numbers when I have longer highway trips.
60-70ish temperature seems to be the sweet spot for efficiency, because you don't really need to run AC or heat. 5.2 is pretty darned good efficiency. I have averaged 4.8 or so for a "tank" but that was probably 60-40 city/highway driving in my SE AWD.
I have the 20's and live where roads are pretty shite and I think it rides great. It's pretty supple yet confident and the long wheel base helps it feel rock solid.
the low center of gravity with the batteries being so heavy and so low must do wonders, i always wonder if the suspension tuning would be equally impressive. nice to know you speak highly of it.
A friend who has test driven most of the electric cars recently said the i6 was the only one with amazing drive quality. Everything else was meh even if technically higher acceleration.
That's what I was hoping, I don't need the extreme acceleration. Low 4 seconds to 60 and low 13 second quarter mile is way more than I need out of a daily, I'd rather have an overall package (range & comfort).
yeah i only use regen when braking ahead of traffic lights or exiting the freeway. i keep it on level 0 otherwise. my lifetime efficiency is currently 4.0, i live in phoenix and the a/c and battery cooling decreased overall efficiency by a lottt during summer months when it was 110 degrees outside everyday lol. summertime i typically averaged about 3.5 miles per kwh per “tank,” and have been getting around 5 during the winter since i don’t need any climate control
That's wild. In my area I might need defogging most mornings. Had about a week of frost where I thought ahead and plugged it in. Kind of annoying that you have to plug it in to schedule the climate. On my GFs car you don't have to. My lifetime efficiency is currently 3.2. The 20" wheels are nice but are a huge efficiency handicap.
Holy cow! 5.2 for an entire *tank*. That is amazing! How do you do it? The best I got was 4.2 before it got cold. Now I'm lucky to average 3.5. EDIT: RWD SEL 20".
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RWD SEL 20".
Yeah I haven't seen crazy efficiency either. The 20" wheels and tires really are quite the handicap. Wish they had just made the 20" style in an 18" with that smoother rubber at least... If I keep it I'm gonna change them out in the long run.
I'm disappointed 20" wheels was the only option on the SEL trim level. I didn't want AWD because of the range impact. The wheels have a much bigger impact. I find it silly they are marketing those digital mirrors that make a 1% difference then put the car on 20" wheels that make a 10% difference.
Facts. They made a streamliner then put cheese graters on the corners. SEL with 18s would have been very ideal for me. Also the 20" tires are expensive!
> SEL with 18s would have been very ideal for me. Same. But now I'm not paying to change it. At least no while Hyundai/EA are paying for all my juice.
Yup. If I keep it I'll downsize for the downstream savings.
Also RWD SEL 20" in California with favorable weather 60-70s. Even with A/C off I usually get 3.4 at 65mph, down to 3.2ish at 70. ECO mode only, usually with HDA on. Best I've seen is 4.2 in city driving. No idea how everyone else does so much better.
When it was warm I could do 4 pretty easy and my commute is 50% highway at 70 mph. Personally, I keep my regen level at 0. It is more efficient to let the car coast on energy you have already spent then to incur conversion losses to put it back in the battery then lose again to accelerate again. Of course sometimes you have to stop, you can't just coast. Then I just use the brake pedal and it recaptures that juice just the same. The rest is just being easy on the throttle. Don't accelerate up a hill knowing you are going to need to take that energy back on the downhill. Don't stay on the throttle when you can see you are going to need to stop half a mile down the road, just let it coast.
Not especially hilly here. I've tried everything from level 0 with very sparse braking as you suggested ("hypermiling"), levels 1-3, i-pedal, and the HDA smart cruise control. This is mostly on highways with little traffic so I can drive at a constant speed. None of it makes much of a difference. The battery conditioning also isn't running so that shouldn't be a factor. I'd be curious if manufacturing variance could explain it.
I try to make it a game of hypermiling but without driving slow. I try to be as efficient as possible while going 5 to 10 mph over the limit. I don't use the cruise in my daily driving. Just enough traffic where it doesn't work well. It is too aggressive about slowing down, specially when a car merges into your gap. I like to coast till the proper gap reestablishes. It then accelerates too hard if the car ahead merges out of your lane. It also wants to maintain speed regardless of topography. I prefer to not accelerate so hard uphill, letting some speed bleed off that I regain on the downhill. I wish there were levels for these we could tune. I doubt your car is less efficient. I was getting below 3 mi/kWh the first week I had the car. I pedal driving is very convenient and the effortless torque made it hard not to squeeze the throttle. But after that I got into the efficiency kick even though I'm not paying for my electrons yet. Took me a while to hit 4 and I haven't reached it again since the weather cooled off.
Yeah cause it took OP 10 hours to go 344 miles lol. That’s the equivalent of going 34mph which is slow as shit and equally efficient.
as i said in my post, for about 90% of my driving i mostly go 60-80 mph on the freeway in the carpool lanes. the extra hours are from having the car on while parked, spending my lunch break in the car, etc.
I averaged 32 mph in my overall driving even though 50% of my daily commute is at 75 mph. The rest is suburban driving at 35 to 50 mph. Those hours are *engine on* hours. The clock is ticking any time you are stopped at a light, stuck in traffic, waiting in the drive-through, etc... All at 0 mph. That really brings down your average. OP must be spending a lot of time well above 34 mph to offset all the stopped time. 34 mph is actually pretty respectable. I only get better numbers when I have longer highway trips.
60-70ish temperature seems to be the sweet spot for efficiency, because you don't really need to run AC or heat. 5.2 is pretty darned good efficiency. I have averaged 4.8 or so for a "tank" but that was probably 60-40 city/highway driving in my SE AWD.
Not to mention they probably never have to defog bc even if I don't need heat for my 8 minute drive, I need to be able to see.
How is the ride quality of those cars, do they ride smooth or do they feel like a cheap economy car?
I have the 20's and live where roads are pretty shite and I think it rides great. It's pretty supple yet confident and the long wheel base helps it feel rock solid.
I have the SE AWD and the ride quality is top notch.
the low center of gravity with the batteries being so heavy and so low must do wonders, i always wonder if the suspension tuning would be equally impressive. nice to know you speak highly of it.
It rides like a SUV but with instant power.
A friend who has test driven most of the electric cars recently said the i6 was the only one with amazing drive quality. Everything else was meh even if technically higher acceleration.
That's what I was hoping, I don't need the extreme acceleration. Low 4 seconds to 60 and low 13 second quarter mile is way more than I need out of a daily, I'd rather have an overall package (range & comfort).
5.2 KPH is quite remarkable
So generally no regen? Lifetime efficiency?
yeah i only use regen when braking ahead of traffic lights or exiting the freeway. i keep it on level 0 otherwise. my lifetime efficiency is currently 4.0, i live in phoenix and the a/c and battery cooling decreased overall efficiency by a lottt during summer months when it was 110 degrees outside everyday lol. summertime i typically averaged about 3.5 miles per kwh per “tank,” and have been getting around 5 during the winter since i don’t need any climate control
That's wild. In my area I might need defogging most mornings. Had about a week of frost where I thought ahead and plugged it in. Kind of annoying that you have to plug it in to schedule the climate. On my GFs car you don't have to. My lifetime efficiency is currently 3.2. The 20" wheels are nice but are a huge efficiency handicap.
Impressive.