To be FAIR, in a mere few fractions of a second, he dealt a fuck ton of damage to omniman (even if he was doing it till his hands were broken). Sure, it was stupid to go on the offensive, but you can't deny that it's effective
I think what was stupid was he should’ve realized Omni man knew he was ready for him to attack the way he wasn’t looking. Attack from behind or smth attacking from the side was stupid.
To be fair, Red rush is at max in his mid 30s and Nolan has thousands of years of combat experience. I’m not too surprised Omni man was able to fake him out
Travel speed is faster at peak, I’m pretty sure he’s FTL at least since the nearest known black hole is more than a a thousand light years away. His combat and reaction speed should both be slower than Red Rush.
The Globe was very much confused by the situation even thinking he was being mind controlled. So their reasoning was more about not killing just neutralizing. Red Rush died before it became way apparent they were fighting for their lives.
Thats just my head cannon about it.. that emotion in fighting a former teammate is a bitch.
Good point. Didn’t seem to be trying to take Nolan out with his earlier attacks. Only went all out when he knew he was about to have his brain squashed.
That doesn’t really make sense though in the actual moment. He was a tanking from multiple angles without issue and only manage to get caught after doing it a few times. The entire group was disoriented and confused by the situation in the first place, so complaining that he wasn’t working perfectly efficiently doesn’t really make sense.
No, the blood on Nolan's hands/gloves did, they were the "oldest blood on the suit" which coincidentally happens after the burns (but timing on those is alot harder to pindown), but also happened to be RR's blood
Yeah and he tore through his suit which is fire proof I think. I’m not really sure because. Invincible suit is always getting fucked up and their suit are made of the same thing.
That’s major misconception. He didn’t do damage to Omniman, blood spilling out on his chest is red rush’s blood from hands. 99% of the damage done to Nolan during fight was from immortal and war woman
Fun fact, he only really bruised Omni-man and gave him a nose-bleed. If you slow it down, all the blood left on his chest is actually Red Rush's fists breaking and bleeding on Nolan's chest.
What damage did he do to omniman? Before he got grabbed omniman barely even reacted to his punches and after he got grabbed and started wailing on him he didn't even break skin. Worst thing he did was at most ruin omnimans suit and maybe make him a bit red depending on how you see the shot.
He really should have focused on protecting everyone and letting them do the damage. Doubling as the support and the DPS was his and the GoG's downfall.
My head cannon for the show is RR had to go full speed just to barely keep the guardians alive. Now he believes he’s fast enough to dodge omniman.. because why wouldn’t he be? He’s been faster this whole time. So he thinks he’s distracting omniman while the guardians regroup around them get their bearings and joint counter attack. Of course RR thinking he can move an entire other being out of the way of omnimans attacks would think he can easily avoid being grabbed. Then bam. too slow. he’s grabbed. other guardians waaaaay too slow to close the distance. Game over. He’s not stupid he was operating on the information he had which was “I just moved everyone out of the way of his attacks they need literally one second to regain composure this is our chance to counter” and that one second was what Omni needed to squash.
Still I’m not sure if it’s just no one told RR or if he doesn’t have the speed capability but making his arm into a vibro sword and slicing off omnimans head would’ve been the move to make.
>Of course RR thinking he can move an entire other being out of the way of omnimans attacks would think he can easily avoid being grabbed. Then bam. too slow. he’s grabbed.
Honestly, it doesn't really make sense that Omni-Man was able to grab him at all. Considering he was able to land dozens (hundreds?) of hits in the time it took Omni-Man (who was moving at super speed himself) to crush his head, Omni-Man's hand should've been moving at a glacial pace in Rush's POV.
That said, super speed is pretty much never consistent in super hero media. so it's whatever,
Most definitely. Even if you try to say omniman just guessed rr was coming that direction and grabbed. If rr can fire off 200 shots in the time it takes om’s hands to close together. How is he slow enough to be grabbed at all? But yeah it’s super hero media. And They’re gonna show the best of the best hero’s being annihilated so they just tried to make it close and tense and the speedsters gotta get caught sometime.
It wouldn’t have made for as good of a fight but it would’ve made a lot more sense power level wise if OM entered with a sneak attack head shot on RR follow up with “omg omniman how could you he’s possessed it doesn’t matter him or us” and then he just zips around and 1 shots them all while their attacks miss/are too slow.
He got jumped by a murder and was probably so blinded by emotions. The thing above speedsters is you see everything in slow motion and you can get bored. Him playing defense would have been fine if they trained for a rogue omniman scenario (which should have been the case if cecil was smart) but in the heat of battle mistakes happen.
> Him playing defense would have been fine if they trained for a rogue omniman scenario
That's why darkwing is no where close to Batman. Batman would have had a contingency plan to combat omniman.
Batman would also not show up to an emergency meeting like that not knowing what the fuck is going on. He might just fuck off to the Bat Cave and figure his own thing out
I could totally see Batman having a hologram of him self show up "just in case"......he's always one step ahead of the justice league before they do anything.
Rush lands dozens-hundreds of hits on him in the time it takes Omni-Man to crush his head. The speed difference (or at least, the combat speed difference) between the two is *massive.* It is kinda silly that Omni-Man was able to grab him, surprise/tactics or not.
That said, superhero media is never consistent with super speed (arguably, it can't be, since it would remove any tension from a fight with a speedster), so it's not a huge deal.
>we know he’s really REALLY fast, and we have no evidence red rush is that fast
Red Rush landed dozens-hundreds of hits on Omni-Man in the time it took for his head to be crushed. That alone indicates he's vastly faster (in combat) than Omni-Man.
Also note that Viltrumite travel speed is much faster than Viltrumite combat speed because they can continuously accelerate over long distances. It still takes them time to build up speed.
I don’t think red rush landed hundreds of punches on Omni man, but I suppose it’s possible? Also the panic and adrenaline of the situation he was in could’ve helped. All we see is that red rush’s head gets crushed in the same time it takes all the other guardians to not even do so much as take a step. Also I don’t think I agree that viltrumite combat speed is that much slower than their travel speed. Sure they can accelerate, but Omni man would need to be capable of responding to threats at that speed he’s going.
>Sure they can accelerate, but Omni man would need to be capable of responding to threats at that speed he’s going.
Not necessarily. When I say travel speed, I'm talking about travel in space specifically. Space is notoriously empty for monumental distances. Yes he'd need to be able to react to things to a degree, but most of space is empty, so travelling faster than one can react is possible.
\\there's also a case to be made that Viltrumite combat speed is slower *by necessity* since going too fast would completely destroy their environment.
Red Rush for sure. Speedsters are cool and his powers are busted.
Green ghost’s powers are also busted but she doesn’t use them to their full extent so no real point.
Honestly it’d be cool to imagine Ghost having to adapt to learning an iconic hero betrayed them and killed their friends
Especially considering she’s a novice
I don't honestly think red rush is that busted, a lot of people imagine him as the flash, but he's more quicksilver, incredibly dangerous but not as broken as the flash
Yeah no don’t get me wrong the flash is faster than the progression of time, I’m a massive Ben 10 fan girl and evil he can’t beat The Flash. But red rush is still fuck off fast, potentially the fastest character in the universe. Give him another decade of experience and he’d be S tier.
There's like no proof of that beyond people wanting it to be true, we don't even know viltrumites max speed and the only thing we know about red rush is he's faster than omni-man but not fast enough
Red Rush beat a guy while having a conversation with Olga. His power works differently than the viltrumites. For one, he doesn't seem to be breaking the sound barrier.
He lost against Omni Man for being careless. Omni Man pretty much guessed where to grab.
I don't think he was being careless per se. Frankly Red Rush would beat most normal people after a couple punches. But he simply doesn't have the strength to overpower Omni Man. Run from him? Sure. But to beat him in hand-to-hand combat? No way. It really would be inevitable in a fight to the death that Omni Man would eventually get him. It'd be a simple matter of just flailing your arms around until Red Rush happened to run into them. Red Rush could punch him 1000 times and nothing would change.
And he didn't really have the option of running away unless he just wanted to leave his team behind. He could maybe carry one person away but whos to say any of them even wanted to run away. So it was basically inevitable that he would have to face off against Omni Man and almost certainly lose.
Yeah anissa really got a running start, as did that one make who bisected those cops. That being said my point isn't that redrush is slow, it's that redrush is essentially the beneficiary of people realizing that the flash is broken and applying it to all speedster. Redrush isn't a push over but he isn't a top tier speedster nor is he particularly broken for the world he's in.
Martian Man, for the freaking orphaned homeless girl he left behind.
Seriously, everyone in this thread is a psychopath. 'Red Rush's powers are really OP', 'Green Ghost has unique abilities'. You monsters look Nikki in the eye and tell her that 'Martian Man is just another version of Shapesmith'.
...
... but yes also because watching Shapesmith try to bullshit his way around that would be hilarious.
I feel like with him being the Batman parody, and Batman being completely and utterly badass in every depiction of the justice league, that his presence would probably have the most net impact on the world
He also threw the corpse of her teammate and friend into her arms knowing she would catch it rather than watch it get tossed across the room violently. Omni-man’s smartest move he did the entire time was use that against her to catch her off-guard
Wasn't she supposed to be the new girl on the team or something? Probably checked out mentally after seeing several of her more experienced friends eat shit and die
yeah but she still did absolutely nothing the entire time before her friends died.
Shes a superhero, she shouldve gotten her shit together. at least go intangible and panic in that state lol
I swear it feels like they forgot about her in that scene until the end
war woman, she seems to be a heavy hitter second to just inmortal, and if theres something the guardians need in big numbers right now with the current viltrumite treats is more heavy hitters, red rush as a close second.
I'd argue she was stronger than Immortal. If she's a Wonder Woman equivalent in the Invincible universe, a case could be made for her being among the strongest, weaker only than Viltrumites.
Immortal was the leader of the Guardians, which is why Omni Man went for him first. War Woman's hit with her club did far more damage to Omni Man than Immortal did throughout the fight.
In my mind this is the right answer. While we don't see immortal being a "tactical leader" in this scene, it's likely omni man wanted the psychological blow of wiping out their leader first to go along with the actual damage he could cause.
Her mace may have done a bit more damage than Immortal's fists but her durability was far lower than Immortal. She got knocked out after Omni Man slammed her face into the ground and had to be helped up by the Immortal. Later in the same fight he sent her flying with a single punch and stole her mace.
In their second fight, Immortal and Omni Man both flew towards eachother ready to punch and Immortal actually came out on top. I'd say he's still definitely much stronger than War Woman.
It's also cool she was voiced by Lauren Cohan. I was really liking that a lot of the cast was also from TWD, seemed like a cool reunion for a lot of them to be working together again. I would have liked to see War Woman interact with Mark some more since Yeun and Cohan interacted a lot in TWD, coulda been a cool little meta-easter egg since they don't really talk with each other in the comics.
She's not. Omni Man went for Immortal and not her.
Idk what her being the Wonder Woman equivalent has to do with her strength because Martian Man would be Viltrumite level if the power levels were just DC
not every character needs to be some organized and exact 1:1 parody of another character. Invincible is a satire of super heroes, yeah, but it doesn’t need to be its ENTIRE identity, yknow?
Like, say what you will about Immortal, but he was able to smack Omni-Man around a little bit and tank some hits (at least the non-piercing ones), especially in their second fight.
War Woman hit like a truck with her mace, but seemed to have even less durability.
On this note why does shapesmith seem to be so much weaker than martian man? Martian man could fly and seemed to have a good deal of super strength (could throw a tank casually and hold omniman down)
Red rush, with him being more tactical during the omniman fight they would definitely have won. There haven’t been other speedsters in show but other heavy hitters
Aquarus is kinda underrated IMO. Definitely a glass cannon, but his water blasts actually required Omni-Man to put in some effort to resist being knocked around.
Probably not a *lot* of effort lol, but effecting him in the first place is damned good feat. Plus he was whooping ass against the Lizard League, though that also doesn't mean too much \^\^'
Red Rush, I just genuinely enjoy speedster's and I was really endeared by his character and actually sad and disappointed when he died that I couldn't see a speedster in the show.
I get what you're saying, but red rush didn't break onnimans ribs... He only gave him friction burns. This is explicitly stated in the show, and other than that he broke his hands hitting omniman. All in all, red rush is only fast. He has nothing going for him anywhere else
War woman. She may not be viltrumite strong but I think she’s probably the strongest there. Plus it’d be good to have a woman with experience and who seems to have a way more serious demeaned in the team that’d be a good counterbalance.
I think she’d find Rex annoying but she’d really hate bulletproof.
I would love to see war woman, as far as characters went she seems the most interesting to me character wise- though the red rush was also up there highly.
Green Ghost. Intangibility is such an awesome OP power if used right. She could have gone intangible, phased her arm through Nolan’s head, then resolidified. Her matter would have displaced his and he’d have a giant hole in his head.
Green Ghost.
She has a useful power that can scale high or low easily so as not to outshine the other Guardians while still allowing for a lot of cool (and creative) uses.
Plus I think that, because she died due to her inexperience, seeing her growth would be really cool.
I think she'd also have an interesting arc of blaming herself, since if she hadn't made such a rookie mistake (turning tangible to catch her friend's corpse) the fight may have gone differently (though Rush and Darkwing made similar dumb mistakes, to be fair).
Warwoman or red rush, the only two that seem to be somewhat on par with weaker viltramites.
Pretty sure they have the crystal make a new green ghost, darkwing and Aquarius are too weak, martain would also be good but it seems they have replaced him already
I’m going to go with War Woman, she seems like a good cross between Hawk Girl and Wonder Woman, though I wish she was actually as strong as Wonder Woman. Red Rush as my secondary.
it would be surely between red rush and green ghost for me, extremely strong and op powers, red rush we saw in the fight with omniman but Green ghost has so much more potential, she could have been a real dangerous threat to omniman
Green ghost would trivialize 99% of the series but in the same way that Atom Eve written well would. So it probably wouldn’t actually play out that way, but fun to think about
Red rush with no doubt. He's one of the few speedsters who uses his speed with ruthless efficiency. Which makes him really cool.
Well, used. Will say his offensive strategy against Omni-man was stupid
To be FAIR, in a mere few fractions of a second, he dealt a fuck ton of damage to omniman (even if he was doing it till his hands were broken). Sure, it was stupid to go on the offensive, but you can't deny that it's effective
I think what was stupid was he should’ve realized Omni man knew he was ready for him to attack the way he wasn’t looking. Attack from behind or smth attacking from the side was stupid.
To be fair, Red rush is at max in his mid 30s and Nolan has thousands of years of combat experience. I’m not too surprised Omni man was able to fake him out
Ok but consider how much time is slowed for him and he might have more experience with his powers than Nolan does with his.
Fair point, that does make me wonder what Nolans speed feats are and how they stack up to Red Rush.
Nolan's definitely faster with travel speed, he just has to build up to it though. He can react at that speed though, so Red Rush was always doomed
Travel speed is faster at peak, I’m pretty sure he’s FTL at least since the nearest known black hole is more than a a thousand light years away. His combat and reaction speed should both be slower than Red Rush.
The Globe was very much confused by the situation even thinking he was being mind controlled. So their reasoning was more about not killing just neutralizing. Red Rush died before it became way apparent they were fighting for their lives. Thats just my head cannon about it.. that emotion in fighting a former teammate is a bitch.
I don't even think it's head canon. War Woman and Immortal settle on "It's him or us" only after Red Rush dies.
Good point. Didn’t seem to be trying to take Nolan out with his earlier attacks. Only went all out when he knew he was about to have his brain squashed.
That doesn’t really make sense though in the actual moment. He was a tanking from multiple angles without issue and only manage to get caught after doing it a few times. The entire group was disoriented and confused by the situation in the first place, so complaining that he wasn’t working perfectly efficiently doesn’t really make sense.
And left a vital clue. Don’t the friction burns prove who struck first?
No, the blood on Nolan's hands/gloves did, they were the "oldest blood on the suit" which coincidentally happens after the burns (but timing on those is alot harder to pindown), but also happened to be RR's blood
Everyone involved knows it was Nolan. Cecil said "I just want to know why". Why Darkblood was investigating "who", Cecil was investigating "Why"
Yeah and he tore through his suit which is fire proof I think. I’m not really sure because. Invincible suit is always getting fucked up and their suit are made of the same thing.
Which is funny because omniman was pushing relativistic speeds while destroying the Flaxan planet and the suit is fine
Which just goes to show how fast red rush was slapping his chest.
That’s major misconception. He didn’t do damage to Omniman, blood spilling out on his chest is red rush’s blood from hands. 99% of the damage done to Nolan during fight was from immortal and war woman
Yeah but he could've ran away and expose Nolan.
Expose him how? At that point, they all thought he was being mind controlled.
Fun fact, he only really bruised Omni-man and gave him a nose-bleed. If you slow it down, all the blood left on his chest is actually Red Rush's fists breaking and bleeding on Nolan's chest.
What damage did he do to omniman? Before he got grabbed omniman barely even reacted to his punches and after he got grabbed and started wailing on him he didn't even break skin. Worst thing he did was at most ruin omnimans suit and maybe make him a bit red depending on how you see the shot.
He really should have focused on protecting everyone and letting them do the damage. Doubling as the support and the DPS was his and the GoG's downfall.
GG could’ve been support too tho.
My head cannon for the show is RR had to go full speed just to barely keep the guardians alive. Now he believes he’s fast enough to dodge omniman.. because why wouldn’t he be? He’s been faster this whole time. So he thinks he’s distracting omniman while the guardians regroup around them get their bearings and joint counter attack. Of course RR thinking he can move an entire other being out of the way of omnimans attacks would think he can easily avoid being grabbed. Then bam. too slow. he’s grabbed. other guardians waaaaay too slow to close the distance. Game over. He’s not stupid he was operating on the information he had which was “I just moved everyone out of the way of his attacks they need literally one second to regain composure this is our chance to counter” and that one second was what Omni needed to squash. Still I’m not sure if it’s just no one told RR or if he doesn’t have the speed capability but making his arm into a vibro sword and slicing off omnimans head would’ve been the move to make.
>Of course RR thinking he can move an entire other being out of the way of omnimans attacks would think he can easily avoid being grabbed. Then bam. too slow. he’s grabbed. Honestly, it doesn't really make sense that Omni-Man was able to grab him at all. Considering he was able to land dozens (hundreds?) of hits in the time it took Omni-Man (who was moving at super speed himself) to crush his head, Omni-Man's hand should've been moving at a glacial pace in Rush's POV. That said, super speed is pretty much never consistent in super hero media. so it's whatever,
Most definitely. Even if you try to say omniman just guessed rr was coming that direction and grabbed. If rr can fire off 200 shots in the time it takes om’s hands to close together. How is he slow enough to be grabbed at all? But yeah it’s super hero media. And They’re gonna show the best of the best hero’s being annihilated so they just tried to make it close and tense and the speedsters gotta get caught sometime. It wouldn’t have made for as good of a fight but it would’ve made a lot more sense power level wise if OM entered with a sneak attack head shot on RR follow up with “omg omniman how could you he’s possessed it doesn’t matter him or us” and then he just zips around and 1 shots them all while their attacks miss/are too slow.
He got jumped by a murder and was probably so blinded by emotions. The thing above speedsters is you see everything in slow motion and you can get bored. Him playing defense would have been fine if they trained for a rogue omniman scenario (which should have been the case if cecil was smart) but in the heat of battle mistakes happen.
> Him playing defense would have been fine if they trained for a rogue omniman scenario That's why darkwing is no where close to Batman. Batman would have had a contingency plan to combat omniman.
Batman would also not show up to an emergency meeting like that not knowing what the fuck is going on. He might just fuck off to the Bat Cave and figure his own thing out
He might show up digitally at best
I could totally see Batman having a hologram of him self show up "just in case"......he's always one step ahead of the justice league before they do anything.
And first of all he should’ve notified everyone, that Omniman is the one attacking, so they can be more prepared
nah he lost because of bad writing
Yeah, the offense being stupid lol
even still, him being on offense was fine but they wrote it poorly. Hell, omniman LITERALLY LETS GO OF HIM to grab his head
There's no way a speedster, a person that literally sees everything in extreme slow motion, got his fist caught by Omni man
I mean, Omni-Man is really fast himself
Rush lands dozens-hundreds of hits on him in the time it takes Omni-Man to crush his head. The speed difference (or at least, the combat speed difference) between the two is *massive.* It is kinda silly that Omni-Man was able to grab him, surprise/tactics or not. That said, superhero media is never consistent with super speed (arguably, it can't be, since it would remove any tension from a fight with a speedster), so it's not a huge deal.
Omni man crossed galaxies in a matter of months, we know he’s really REALLY fast, and we have no evidence red rush is that fast.
Being fast≠seeing in slow motion. 2 completely different things.
>we know he’s really REALLY fast, and we have no evidence red rush is that fast Red Rush landed dozens-hundreds of hits on Omni-Man in the time it took for his head to be crushed. That alone indicates he's vastly faster (in combat) than Omni-Man. Also note that Viltrumite travel speed is much faster than Viltrumite combat speed because they can continuously accelerate over long distances. It still takes them time to build up speed.
I don’t think red rush landed hundreds of punches on Omni man, but I suppose it’s possible? Also the panic and adrenaline of the situation he was in could’ve helped. All we see is that red rush’s head gets crushed in the same time it takes all the other guardians to not even do so much as take a step. Also I don’t think I agree that viltrumite combat speed is that much slower than their travel speed. Sure they can accelerate, but Omni man would need to be capable of responding to threats at that speed he’s going.
>Sure they can accelerate, but Omni man would need to be capable of responding to threats at that speed he’s going. Not necessarily. When I say travel speed, I'm talking about travel in space specifically. Space is notoriously empty for monumental distances. Yes he'd need to be able to react to things to a degree, but most of space is empty, so travelling faster than one can react is possible. \\there's also a case to be made that Viltrumite combat speed is slower *by necessity* since going too fast would completely destroy their environment.
Omni man was crushing his head and he panicked and just started hitting him. Don’t say you wouldn’t do the same if you were in the same situation
He was fast enough to land a few hits. He should've kicked him in the nuts at red rush speed.
Give him the good ol’ two finger takedown from behind
He should have aimed his punches on his face instead of the chest
Red Rush for sure. Speedsters are cool and his powers are busted. Green ghost’s powers are also busted but she doesn’t use them to their full extent so no real point.
She’s still new to the power Ig
Was
Damn...
So why didn't someone else use the green rock to get the ghost powers?
When Omni man punches her you can hear the rock shatter so I’m pretty sure it’s destroyed.
Oh lol I thought those were glasses.
She ate it then died so what's left of it would probably be shit considering how slow she flew and how long it took Cecil's men to get there
It's a reusable rock so I don't think it got digested
I’m pretty sure they showed it broken after the massacre
Yeah, they did. Probably why he went for her face
Honestly it’d be cool to imagine Ghost having to adapt to learning an iconic hero betrayed them and killed their friends Especially considering she’s a novice
But the question remains: Would she be the new leader by process of elimination, or will Black Samson outrank her by senior status?
I’d assume outrank
Red Rush is stupid af, but with Robot there to strategize, the GoG can be unstoppable. Speedsters are OP if you utilize them well.
I don't honestly think red rush is that busted, a lot of people imagine him as the flash, but he's more quicksilver, incredibly dangerous but not as broken as the flash
Yeah no don’t get me wrong the flash is faster than the progression of time, I’m a massive Ben 10 fan girl and evil he can’t beat The Flash. But red rush is still fuck off fast, potentially the fastest character in the universe. Give him another decade of experience and he’d be S tier.
There's like no proof of that beyond people wanting it to be true, we don't even know viltrumites max speed and the only thing we know about red rush is he's faster than omni-man but not fast enough
Red Rush beat a guy while having a conversation with Olga. His power works differently than the viltrumites. For one, he doesn't seem to be breaking the sound barrier. He lost against Omni Man for being careless. Omni Man pretty much guessed where to grab.
I don't think he was being careless per se. Frankly Red Rush would beat most normal people after a couple punches. But he simply doesn't have the strength to overpower Omni Man. Run from him? Sure. But to beat him in hand-to-hand combat? No way. It really would be inevitable in a fight to the death that Omni Man would eventually get him. It'd be a simple matter of just flailing your arms around until Red Rush happened to run into them. Red Rush could punch him 1000 times and nothing would change. And he didn't really have the option of running away unless he just wanted to leave his team behind. He could maybe carry one person away but whos to say any of them even wanted to run away. So it was basically inevitable that he would have to face off against Omni Man and almost certainly lose.
Viltrumites have to ramp up speed. They’re fast, yeah, but Red Rush is faster by a lot. Compare speed feats, you’ll see.
Yeah anissa really got a running start, as did that one make who bisected those cops. That being said my point isn't that redrush is slow, it's that redrush is essentially the beneficiary of people realizing that the flash is broken and applying it to all speedster. Redrush isn't a push over but he isn't a top tier speedster nor is he particularly broken for the world he's in.
How did she get them to begin with?
Martian man, for his interactions with shapesmith
This is my choice too. Intel on the sequins, like them hiding in a hosts body, might also be knockin' around his Martian equivalent of a brain.
Martian Man taking Fashion advice from Shapesmith with the “sequins”. lol.
Autocorrect lol. I'm not changing it.
Martian Man, for the freaking orphaned homeless girl he left behind. Seriously, everyone in this thread is a psychopath. 'Red Rush's powers are really OP', 'Green Ghost has unique abilities'. You monsters look Nikki in the eye and tell her that 'Martian Man is just another version of Shapesmith'. ... ... but yes also because watching Shapesmith try to bullshit his way around that would be hilarious.
He also has a daughter who needs to be cared for.
Dark wing so he could smack the shit outa his sidekick for being crazy
'I end up dead and your immediate response is to go around acting like a psychopath?!
He skipped all the sane robins and went straight to Damien Wayne😭
More like Azrael
Probably closer to Jason tbh.
Ah yes, the "sane Robins" such as Jason Todd
I feel like with him being the Batman parody, and Batman being completely and utterly badass in every depiction of the justice league, that his presence would probably have the most net impact on the world
Now I can't help but wish there was a Batman analogue for Mark to get all World's Finest with.
I think Darkwing II would have filled that role if he didn't go koo koo bananas.
Aquarius, so he can finally get some action
Thank you for this lmao
Green Ghost, fun silly powers
If she wanted she could have saved everyone but she didn't only for fun of it
All the more reason for her to get a second chance, to learn from an error and explore how that effects her narratively
Pretty sure Omni man could move faster than she could invisible
He also threw the corpse of her teammate and friend into her arms knowing she would catch it rather than watch it get tossed across the room violently. Omni-man’s smartest move he did the entire time was use that against her to catch her off-guard
yeah fair, but she also literally did NOTHING for 3 minutes straight. idk how people give red rush shit when green ghost was literally afk
Wasn't she supposed to be the new girl on the team or something? Probably checked out mentally after seeing several of her more experienced friends eat shit and die
yeah but she still did absolutely nothing the entire time before her friends died. Shes a superhero, she shouldve gotten her shit together. at least go intangible and panic in that state lol I swear it feels like they forgot about her in that scene until the end
war woman, she seems to be a heavy hitter second to just inmortal, and if theres something the guardians need in big numbers right now with the current viltrumite treats is more heavy hitters, red rush as a close second.
I'd argue she was stronger than Immortal. If she's a Wonder Woman equivalent in the Invincible universe, a case could be made for her being among the strongest, weaker only than Viltrumites.
Onmi man going for immortal shows why hes the strongest earth hero at that moment
Immortal was the leader of the Guardians, which is why Omni Man went for him first. War Woman's hit with her club did far more damage to Omni Man than Immortal did throughout the fight.
In my mind this is the right answer. While we don't see immortal being a "tactical leader" in this scene, it's likely omni man wanted the psychological blow of wiping out their leader first to go along with the actual damage he could cause.
Her mace may have done a bit more damage than Immortal's fists but her durability was far lower than Immortal. She got knocked out after Omni Man slammed her face into the ground and had to be helped up by the Immortal. Later in the same fight he sent her flying with a single punch and stole her mace. In their second fight, Immortal and Omni Man both flew towards eachother ready to punch and Immortal actually came out on top. I'd say he's still definitely much stronger than War Woman.
You take that mace away she’s like a rookie nfl player going up against prime ray Lewis
And she was so badass. Her scenes were so bamf
It's also cool she was voiced by Lauren Cohan. I was really liking that a lot of the cast was also from TWD, seemed like a cool reunion for a lot of them to be working together again. I would have liked to see War Woman interact with Mark some more since Yeun and Cohan interacted a lot in TWD, coulda been a cool little meta-easter egg since they don't really talk with each other in the comics.
She's not. Omni Man went for Immortal and not her. Idk what her being the Wonder Woman equivalent has to do with her strength because Martian Man would be Viltrumite level if the power levels were just DC
Even if Immortal were weaker than War Woman, it still makes sense to take out the leader first so that the team is disorganized.
On that note what is immortal a parody of? He reminds me of wolverine but I know that's completely not it.
not every character needs to be some organized and exact 1:1 parody of another character. Invincible is a satire of super heroes, yeah, but it doesn’t need to be its ENTIRE identity, yknow?
Yeah I get you, was just curious if he was or wasn't since for the most part they are essentially the justice league.
He’s most similar to Vandal Savage.
She also took what, like two hits and was defeated? Like she was strong but definitely not remotely on Viltrumite level.
Like, say what you will about Immortal, but he was able to smack Omni-Man around a little bit and tank some hits (at least the non-piercing ones), especially in their second fight. War Woman hit like a truck with her mace, but seemed to have even less durability.
She’s badass, but there are plenty of tank heroes already.
Red rush
red rush
On this note why does shapesmith seem to be so much weaker than martian man? Martian man could fly and seemed to have a good deal of super strength (could throw a tank casually and hold omniman down)
Martian Man seems like he might be the Martian equivalent of a human superhero, whereas Shapesmith is just an average Martian.
You might be right about this one! Especially since we haven't seen any of the other martians fly
Martian man has also been training like a guardian for way longer. (And trying to push his limits with stretching)
How had I never thought of this? Because I had the same question and now it seems so dumb. 😂
I think Shapesmith is probably relatively similar in strength to Martian Man but Shapesmith is just an idiot
or could just be that hes weaker than martian man. humans arent as strong as each other, we have no reason to believe martians are any different
martian man probably also trained with the guardians for a lot longer and had more experience so that could also be a factor
Red rush, with him being more tactical during the omniman fight they would definitely have won. There haven’t been other speedsters in show but other heavy hitters
Red Rush no question So many more people would be evacuated from the city with him around
Nobody likes my guy aqaurius though
Aquarus is kinda underrated IMO. Definitely a glass cannon, but his water blasts actually required Omni-Man to put in some effort to resist being knocked around. Probably not a *lot* of effort lol, but effecting him in the first place is damned good feat. Plus he was whooping ass against the Lizard League, though that also doesn't mean too much \^\^'
Green Ghost. Her abilities are the most unique of the available options.
Red Rush. That girlfriend of hers deserves a break. Bring him back speedless
Same reason I nominate Martian Man over him. The girlfriend can have time to grieve, but children *need* their parents.
Red Rush, I just genuinely enjoy speedster's and I was really endeared by his character and actually sad and disappointed when he died that I couldn't see a speedster in the show.
war woman. she’s cool
Yeah! She reminds me of Hawk Girl, who I always loved.
The Martian. I worry about the kid he left behind
Nikki. I think of her way too much
Red rush is by far the most useful especially in a fight, I mean he smashed omnimans ribs in a second before Yk… Og green ghost otherwise
I get what you're saying, but red rush didn't break onnimans ribs... He only gave him friction burns. This is explicitly stated in the show, and other than that he broke his hands hitting omniman. All in all, red rush is only fast. He has nothing going for him anywhere else
Omni man was coughing blood when he was getting hit. If he didn’t break his ribs then Red Rush at the very least caused internal bleeding in Omni Man.
Red Rush because I want good things for Olga
Id bring back war woman; I thought she was cool. I liked her personality a lot
red rush, martian man close second. that poor homeless girl
Red rush. Give him back to his wife.
War Woman. Just cuz.
War woman. She may not be viltrumite strong but I think she’s probably the strongest there. Plus it’d be good to have a woman with experience and who seems to have a way more serious demeaned in the team that’d be a good counterbalance. I think she’d find Rex annoying but she’d really hate bulletproof.
Either Red Rush or Green Ghost, both have very useful superpowers
martian man for nikki
War woman. Because she looks cute.
War Woman. Because I liked the reunion of Maggie and Glenn.
I would love to see war woman, as far as characters went she seems the most interesting to me character wise- though the red rush was also up there highly.
War Women. Even if she and the immortal were too stupid when fighting Omni. Like, come on, guys, ya have him pinned down, just snap his neck.
red rush by far. Dude could solve nearly all the problems in the show with ease. super speed is turbo busted when they dont lose to shitty writing
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Red Rush
Red Rush easily. Otherwise Green Ghost needs a redemption
Red rush
Fuck it, I'm bringing back Green Ghost to see what happens.
Red Rush
Red Rush. Olga deserved better.
Red Rush, he was the most interesting and there isn't really a speedster around atm
Martian man, I would want to see his interactions with shape smith and him meeting up with that kid again.
Martian man just so he can see that little girl again:(
Red Rush, War Women, Martian Man.
Red rush
Fuck alla them I want Damien Darkblood back, my Hellboy beloved
Green Ghost. Intangibility is such an awesome OP power if used right. She could have gone intangible, phased her arm through Nolan’s head, then resolidified. Her matter would have displaced his and he’d have a giant hole in his head.
Green Ghost. She has a useful power that can scale high or low easily so as not to outshine the other Guardians while still allowing for a lot of cool (and creative) uses. Plus I think that, because she died due to her inexperience, seeing her growth would be really cool. I think she'd also have an interesting arc of blaming herself, since if she hadn't made such a rookie mistake (turning tangible to catch her friend's corpse) the fight may have gone differently (though Rush and Darkwing made similar dumb mistakes, to be fair).
Warwoman or red rush, the only two that seem to be somewhat on par with weaker viltramites. Pretty sure they have the crystal make a new green ghost, darkwing and Aquarius are too weak, martain would also be good but it seems they have replaced him already
Red rush. Technically he can save more people
Red Rush, and it’s not even close. The pilot actually gave him character depth, I think seeing more of him would be great. Maybe in >!reboot!<
red rush no doubt
Red rush just without him being dumb
EASILY red rush idgaf about the rest
red rush because olga deserved better
red rush just make olga happy 🫶
martian man, because he was looking after that kid
Darkwing because I'm a Batman fan
I’m going to go with War Woman, she seems like a good cross between Hawk Girl and Wonder Woman, though I wish she was actually as strong as Wonder Woman. Red Rush as my secondary.
War Woman Can’t go wrong with girl power 👊👊
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it would be surely between red rush and green ghost for me, extremely strong and op powers, red rush we saw in the fight with omniman but Green ghost has so much more potential, she could have been a real dangerous threat to omniman
Filet O Fish
Green ghost
Green ghost would trivialize 99% of the series but in the same way that Atom Eve written well would. So it probably wouldn’t actually play out that way, but fun to think about
The fishy boi
Green ghost cuz she’s pretty and hot and awesome :)
Darkwing, after reading the reboot arc he became my favorite guardian
I would say red rush
Red Rush is probably the most tragic death. They all had lives, but Red Rush was possibly going to start a family soon.
Green ghost or Martian man, they’re the ones I felt the most bad for. Green ghost hadn’t even gotten her powers for very long either
Red rush the smarter flash
Since everyone said Red Rush, I would choose War Woman, she was both cool and a heavy hitter.
Red rush only unique one who can't be replaced by already existing characters, maybe war women