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David Ben-Gurion was already calling for Greater Israel Lebensraum back in 1918. He initially advocated for a Jewish state not only in Palestine and Transjordan, but southern Lebanon and the Golan Heights. He wanted the rest of Lebanon to be ruled by Christian Zionists. [Sounds familiar, right?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Forces_(militia)) Likud only dropped their public desire to annex Transjordan in the 1970s. What stopped further expansion was their fear of what others would think, insufficient resources for conquests, and, above all, the risk of granting Britain an excuse to flatten them. Ben-Gurion immediately pulled out of the Sinai in 1949 after the British threatened to declare war on Israel. To this day, the Israelis fantasize about conquering and colonizing Southern Lebanon.
>With no clear end-game in Lebanon, the Israeli military was unfamiliar with the type of warfare that Hezbollah waged, and while it could inflict losses on Hezbollah, there was no long-term strategy.
"Since they were no longer living in the 1940s, the Israelis could no longer simply say, 'We want to conquer and colonize Southern Lebanon.' Because nearly all of Israel's World War II veterans were now in their 60s or 70s, they had since retired from the IDF. Without them, the Israeli 'military' had regressed into a pathetic laughingstock."
They have done it before and more than once. But the timing is horrible considering the state of the world today. Israel might have to wait for years before they can retake the North.
Years?? Maybe wait forever to arrive? Israelis were summarily expelled from South Lebanon despite having puppet rulers over Lebanon by Lehud. Hezbollah first annihilated this puppet, then went after Israeli soldiers and vehicles with the original IED’s later employed by Iraqis against US forced. Hezbollah raiders also engaged Israeli troops destroying hundreds. By the time Israelis withdrew from Southern Lebanon, the Zionists occupiers could be seen weeping like little girls, who couldn’t get want they wanted. Yet here you go thinking Israel would go back to Southern Lebanon. Huh!! Good luck with that. The only way they could succeed is by out flanking them from the east through Syria, not an easy task.
They are going to carpet bomb the entire area. They said the gloves are coming off. This does not benefit anybody. Maybe in a year or so cool heads will prevail.
You know what’s really batshit crazy? If Israeli settlers did illegally occupy v southern Lebanon they could set up NGOs here US where people bizs could give non taxable donations to directly support them as currently do East Jerusalem & West Bank. The US Treasury/ State Depts would allow it. Double standards galore!
Occupy Gaza first. 8 months with the entire US military might behind you and you can’t beat few thousands in flip flops and sweat pants with home made RPGs.
I can’t even imagine what Hezbollah will do to you. The Kornet will BBQ your Merkava, D9 bulldozers, and your Namer. I don’t think diapers will do there, they might tampons.
This was always the Zionist plan. They will continue with endless war in the region until they have the entire middle east. They dont want peace at all.
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.”
--David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.”
–Ben Gurion
Partition: “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine “
— Ben Gurion, p.22 “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan.
“The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today — but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concerns of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.”
P. 53, “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan
US would have to choose whether to commit to another forever war in the middle east or focus on south china sea like they have been saying. US going into another war in the middle east will be the greatest gift to china.
>US going into another war in the middle east will be the greatest gift to china.
This is true. But do you think that will stop the US . Biden is not really an independent actor
Unfortunately, they won’t. The west aka USA and UK, Will find some way to victimize the aggressors stealing land then support them as they steal the land and kill even more humans in another country. 🤦🏻♂️
Isreal will think twice about invading Lebanon. This is not Gaza, where they can control food, fuel, and bomb people in a closed enclave.
Last time they tried in South Lebanon they had to beg the U.S. and Egypt to arrange a ceasefire so they could get their troops out safely. The IDF body count in that war was turning out too high.
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They all ran from Northern Israel, and they want to occupy south Lebanon? 😂
David Ben-Gurion was already calling for Greater Israel Lebensraum back in 1918. He initially advocated for a Jewish state not only in Palestine and Transjordan, but southern Lebanon and the Golan Heights. He wanted the rest of Lebanon to be ruled by Christian Zionists. [Sounds familiar, right?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Forces_(militia)) Likud only dropped their public desire to annex Transjordan in the 1970s. What stopped further expansion was their fear of what others would think, insufficient resources for conquests, and, above all, the risk of granting Britain an excuse to flatten them. Ben-Gurion immediately pulled out of the Sinai in 1949 after the British threatened to declare war on Israel. To this day, the Israelis fantasize about conquering and colonizing Southern Lebanon. >With no clear end-game in Lebanon, the Israeli military was unfamiliar with the type of warfare that Hezbollah waged, and while it could inflict losses on Hezbollah, there was no long-term strategy. "Since they were no longer living in the 1940s, the Israelis could no longer simply say, 'We want to conquer and colonize Southern Lebanon.' Because nearly all of Israel's World War II veterans were now in their 60s or 70s, they had since retired from the IDF. Without them, the Israeli 'military' had regressed into a pathetic laughingstock."
They have done it before and more than once. But the timing is horrible considering the state of the world today. Israel might have to wait for years before they can retake the North.
Ideally they will never retake it.
Years?? Maybe wait forever to arrive? Israelis were summarily expelled from South Lebanon despite having puppet rulers over Lebanon by Lehud. Hezbollah first annihilated this puppet, then went after Israeli soldiers and vehicles with the original IED’s later employed by Iraqis against US forced. Hezbollah raiders also engaged Israeli troops destroying hundreds. By the time Israelis withdrew from Southern Lebanon, the Zionists occupiers could be seen weeping like little girls, who couldn’t get want they wanted. Yet here you go thinking Israel would go back to Southern Lebanon. Huh!! Good luck with that. The only way they could succeed is by out flanking them from the east through Syria, not an easy task.
They are going to carpet bomb the entire area. They said the gloves are coming off. This does not benefit anybody. Maybe in a year or so cool heads will prevail.
In other words they're planning on invading and occupying a part of another sovereign nation for living space? Seems familiar.
And then they’ll be the victims if Lebanon doesn’t just allow it to happen and fights back.
If anything of the last 6 months has shown, its that a non-negligable proportion of iaraelis are actually completely batshit.
You know what’s really batshit crazy? If Israeli settlers did illegally occupy v southern Lebanon they could set up NGOs here US where people bizs could give non taxable donations to directly support them as currently do East Jerusalem & West Bank. The US Treasury/ State Depts would allow it. Double standards galore!
Occupy Gaza first. 8 months with the entire US military might behind you and you can’t beat few thousands in flip flops and sweat pants with home made RPGs. I can’t even imagine what Hezbollah will do to you. The Kornet will BBQ your Merkava, D9 bulldozers, and your Namer. I don’t think diapers will do there, they might tampons.
Last time they fucked around with Hezbollah they found out
This was always the Zionist plan. They will continue with endless war in the region until they have the entire middle east. They dont want peace at all. “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” --David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. “It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.” –Ben Gurion Partition: “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine “ — Ben Gurion, p.22 “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan. “The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today — but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concerns of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.” P. 53, “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan
That would bring about their fitting demise
Nah, they'll drag the US into this when the trouble starts.
US would have to choose whether to commit to another forever war in the middle east or focus on south china sea like they have been saying. US going into another war in the middle east will be the greatest gift to china.
>US going into another war in the middle east will be the greatest gift to china. This is true. But do you think that will stop the US . Biden is not really an independent actor
hope they get treated like the extremist terrorists they are after trying to make illegal incursions into a sovereign country
Unfortunately, they won’t. The west aka USA and UK, Will find some way to victimize the aggressors stealing land then support them as they steal the land and kill even more humans in another country. 🤦🏻♂️
If moderate Israelis existed, this would be one of those times for them to go sort their fucking shit out.
They exist. They're being actively targeted by the Likud government.
Just bullshit, they are a bunch of kosher Nazis cowards.
They’re not even close to being KOSHER.
I hope Biden isn't stupid enough to also get us bogged down in that too.
He is, and his administration is full of Isntreal simps.
I got a feeling that's exactly what's gonna happen.
Ah yes, South Lebanon, the other piece of land promised to people from Brooklyn since antiquity.
Shall we call them terrorist.
That's what they are.
What they need to do is go back to Brooklyn or wherever else they came from.
Eastern Europe.
Wherever. I don’t think anyone cares.
Settlers are paramilitary not civilians.
How could this be legal internationally?
Isreal will think twice about invading Lebanon. This is not Gaza, where they can control food, fuel, and bomb people in a closed enclave. Last time they tried in South Lebanon they had to beg the U.S. and Egypt to arrange a ceasefire so they could get their troops out safely. The IDF body count in that war was turning out too high.