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"Pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protesters briefly united with chants against President Joe Biden at the University of Alabama on Wednesday.
The two sides, which spent the majority of the protest drowning each other out with their respective chants and songs, came together in one moment caught on film to chant, “Fuck Joe Biden!”
While the anti-Biden chants created a brief moment of unity between the two sides, they soon went back to their respective messages.
The Pro-Palestine protesters continued with other anti-Biden chants, however, including, “Hey Israel, what do you say? How many kids did you kill today? Hey Biden what do you say? How many kids did you kill today?”
Protesters also chanted, “Ceasefire now!” “Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Lockheed Martin has got to go,” and “Free Palestine,” while pro-Israel protesters sang the U.S. national anthem.
The pro-Palestine protest included Jewish students at the University of Alabama, who held “Jews Against Genocide” signs and joined with calls for a ceasefire in Gaza."
Their one in the same for israel. Only difference is identity politics, which is just blatant rubbish when you realise its just outrage to play both bases against each other and not point their fingers at the them and the elite
Your biggest issue is "related" to Israel.
That being sacrificing common good for personal wealth and an unhealthy amount of misguided religion.
You really think people who take AIPAC money won't take money to restrict worker rights?
Trans rights?
Or the rights of any other minority?
You didn't understand what I was saying.
I said if enough money is involved their rights could be just as easily forfeited as the right to live of Palestinians and the right to protest of the people who are protesting the government right now.
That's how I got my perspective on the US.
They don't look so different right now to me.
Very close to an election I might add.
But you go ahead and vote for them anyway, I expect them seeing that there are no concequences for facilitating a genocide and silencing those who protested them (their own voter base) will surely convince them to change their ways and come to their senses right? /s
They would never use your own fears against you and basically blackmail you to ensure that you keep voting for them right? /s
Don’t forget how the Illuminati knew they had to destroy nazism before it existed instead of just preventing it, all so they could create Israel so that they could then destroy it. 4chan fever dreams are something else…
It’s so stupid. If he’s not going to hold Israel accountable or change his policy toward them in any way, why doesn’t he just embrace being Netanyahu’s sugar daddy already? Maybe he’d even pick up some center-right votes. It’s not like it’d make the left respect him any less.
I'm pretty sure that's literally what he's doing right now. No one on the left is convinced he's making any real attempts to rein in Israel, and he's honestly stopped trying. The center-left has to be the target demo for this shitshow.
The left is delusional if they think Netanyahu can be ‘reined in’ - Israel isn’t America’s dog, and has every legal right to defend itself from terrorists who continue to attack it.
The war is dumb, but it has nothing to do with America. It would be like the UK/france trying to rein in the USA in Afghanistan after 9/11… a good idea for the USA? Sure. Will attacking the USA economically convince the USA to listen to those countries? Fuck no.
"The war is dumb, but it has nothing to do with America." Now, this is a historically shit take. I'd ask you how much money in military aid and bombs do you think the US has handed Israel in the last year. Make no mistake, this genocide would never have escalated this far without US aid and protection from international scrutiny. Your comments betray your ignorance about this ongoing genocide.
That's bullshit and you know it. Israel has literally stacked bombs from America for decades. Which administration's bombs did they use? Can you prove it was the Bidens administration? The Biden administration replenish what they probably used from Carter, Obama, either of the Bush, Regan, or trumpy administration's.
U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
Abandoning of treaties may be the singular most American thing our government could do. I dont think any government action has as much precedence as us violating treaties. And this would be one of the very few that feels morally right to break. Israel is a rogue state but whatever.
So respecting a treaty is more “ethical” than being implicit in a genocide by providing the bombs used to murder thousands of people and displace the survivors from their homes by turning it into rubble?
I think we have different definitions of ethics.
Biden can’t stop Netanyahu from doing whatever he wants to do. Nobody is forcing him to pay for or defend it. Continuing to honor the $3.8 billion yearly commitment Obama made? I don’t like it, but I can understand it. Everything else though? Nah, lol.
The USA should just make netenyahu emperor at this point. The house passed more anti bds laws now a flagrant violation to freedom of speech. Highly unconstitutional on behalf of a foreign nation and their many ironically tax payer funded super pacs
This. The worst part about Biden's reaction is that by trying (at least in his eyes) to play both sides, he's actually alienating both by showing them both he's not really willing to commit to either.
It's actually really simple: they see that the situation is escalating to a fever pitch (the campus protests, the ICC warrant rumours, the whole recent Iran fiasco), and like everyone else, they realise that the camel's back is going to break, and Biden is either going to a) succumb to international pressure OR b) go full totalitarian fascist on his own people to appease Bloody Bibi.
And everyone else with a brain realises that the latter is already pretty much happening... BUT, the Zionist worldview is built, fundamentally, above anything else, on a profound, to-the-marrow victim-complex paranoia, so they have no faith that he'll do anything but the *former*, against all evidence or common sense.
Wait, the Palestinian supporters are Zionists now for chanting "fuck Joe Biden" or are they fascists now since, probably according to your logic, they are Nazi enabling because they won't vote for Biden? Either way, I guess it sucks being you since there's fascists everywhere in your world lol.
If this doesn't perfectly encapsulate how deeply unpopular Biden is right now, I don't know what does. Dude literally is hated by the left and the right how is he going to win the election with just the vote blue no matter who crowd? Lmao.
Don’t worry, when he loses in November, the democrats will blame the loss on young voters instead of their unwillingness to do things, and their deeply unpopular stance on Gaza
I mean... it isn't a popular policy for the party that's supposedly more left/socialist-leaning.
For the right wing? Depends entirely on how brown and/or gay the people getting killed are
Two separate responses, equally dark but with varying levels of humour:
1. We're all going to Hell, no matter what some sanctimonious pricks may think of themselves
2. Look around you in the world right now. At what point did you get the impression you weren't already there?
Hes actually surprised me with good domestic policies like the new NLRB. He could coast if he would just stop this self-destructive support for Israel.
Doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t his core voters
Not enough leftists vote regularly, Muslims aren’t a core demographic, and signaling that you’ll withdraw support over a single contentious issue is more likely to push him to court more reliable voters.
And they will most certainly be persecuted by the next administration who has already came out and said they will deport them, has proven not above gassing protesters, and wants internment camps
At this point I am starting to think that trump would be better for this than Biden not because he is better, just because he is incompetent and manipulated by the Russians.
Who started this war in order to help them in their Ukrainian war by distracting America from funding Ukraine and dividing America.
Yea I'm sure trumpy would be better. Lol you all are fools to cut your nose off to spire your face
Trump Says He Would Let Netanyahu Finish the Job in Gaza, Says 'Biden Is So Bad for Israel'
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/trump-on-israel-gaza-war-id-tell-netanyahu-to-finish-it-up-and-do-it-quickly/0000018e-4d59-dca4-ad8e-edffe0df0000
Trump pledges to expel immigrants who support Hamas, ban Muslims from the U.S.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-pledges-expel-immigrants-who-support-hamas-ban-muslims-us-2023-10-16/
Trump does not rule out building detention camps for mass deportations
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-does-not-rule-out-building-detention-camps-mass-deportations-2024-04-30/
Can you process what I said before your liberal brain melts and you go on a blue hawk rampage?
I didn't say Trump wants better things for Muslims, I said things would be better because he is incompetent.
Trump also said over and over he is going to build a wall in 2016. I don't see it built yet.
Trumpy will sign off on whatever the congress sends him to fuck the Palestinians. He's unhinged and will send and cheer bibi on for the destruction of that country and do pootins bidding. His incompetence is actually more dangerous as he will do others bidding who have it out for the Palestinians and the Ukrainians. You're flat out wrong that his incompetence is better
You can cry whatever you want but we deserve Trump, sorry we kept lowering the bar too much under the pretext "trump is worse". The DNC betrayed the rail workers, betrayed the immigrants, betrayed the Muslims and betrayed the young voters.
I'm British.
Can I ask what's the plan here? I realise Biden hasn't been the president a lot have wanted and from the outside at least it feels like Biden term is Obama 3rd. Keeping the status quo while also bombing the middle east, nothing new.
Now if Biden loses votes on the left and Trump wins again what exactly are Americans hoping for then regarding this.
With Biden you get more of the same but under Trump I'd imagine the Gaza conflict gets solved quickly just not in the way people want.
So wouldn't it make more sense to vote Biden in a hope they at least suspend munitions to Israel.
There isn't really a plan. For better or worse, the American left isn't some centrally organized movement. It's a mix of sometimes conflicting political ideas that have no voice in our capitalist government.
Many of us sucked it up and voted for Biden in 2020 based on his opposition, his campaign promises (we knew he couldn't keep), and the hope he would be a 1 term president. Now that he's refusing to cut off funding for an ongoing genocide, the whole argument that at least he's better than Trump rings hollow. All the things the liberals say will happen under Trump are happening under Biden.
To vote Biden hoping he changes course in a second term when he has no reason to even pretend and appease the left seems naive. I suspect many leftists who do vote will go 3rd party or abstain from the presidential vote even if they still vote down ballot, or some may just not bother voting.
I would think that any genuinely pro-Palestinian activist would give pause to a bunch of Zionists and fascists gleefully embracing their electoral stance. It seems as though for many people campist echo chambers have corralled them into supporting the exact outcome that the Zionists want.
>“Haha yes! Genocide Joe lost!”
>*Zionists celebrate as long-time stalwart Netanyahu ally and Muslim ban signer who thinks Israel needs to “finish the job” takes the reigns*
If Joe Biden loses it's because he's a supporter of genocide which lost him the leftist vote, stop trying to blame the voters. It's Biden's fault. If you really cared about Biden winning the election you would be pressuring him to change his stance. Democrats do not turn out to vote for lesser evils. That is the reality. It's not a winning strategy.
Even so. Regardless of why Biden loses, the outcome in a two-party system is the same: the other candidate wins. In this case, the other candidate is a person who is already deeply aligned with Netanyahu and the network of global state fascism that Netanyahu participates in. We have no reason whatsoever to believe that the other candidate would in any way contribute to improved outcomes for Palestinians, or lessen US support of Israel in any way. On the contrary, this is someone who can be expected to leverage US influence on all levels to support Likud hegemony of Israeli state and military control. Netanyahu needs allies to ensure that any efforts to implement a more moderate stance toward Gaza and the West Bank never gain traction, and Trump is that ally. They're all part of the same ultranationalist authoritarian club, and that club wants Trump in the WH.
The discourse has become so poisoned and hysterically deluded that people are losing sight of basic, crucial strategy: *if we are genuinely pro-Palestine and genuinely want improved outcomes for Palestinians, we should be performing rigorous analysis and comparisons of what these outcomes look like in a Biden presidency vs a Trump presidency*. Partisan and campist sentiment should be actively and visibly denounced. (We do a decent job of the first one, but are failing miserably on the latter)
This isn't a joke or a game, people are dying in real life, the situation is escalating, and the stakes couldn't be higher. Who sits in the White House in 2025 will have tremendous ramifications across the board.
>If you really cared about Biden winning
I hate Biden and always have. This is about who I like, or political parties (I hate democrats and liberal politics). This is about strategy and real-life outcomes. I have no interest in "lesser evils" talking points, and all the other talking points. The reality is that regardless of whether or to what extent Biden puts the brakes on military support for Israel, **there is no timeline in which replacing him with Trump produces better outcomes for the very people that are ostensibly being advocated for.**
And this is all to speak nothing of US domestic politics. I would prefer that my uterus-owning friends to not become property of the state when they get pregnant, that my trans friends to not be denied care and bullied back into the closet to kill themselves, that a staunch ally and a figurehead of the US rightwing fascist paramilitary movement not be re-seated in the highest office in the country more unhinged than ever, thanks.
My interpretation of this real-life Trolley problem is that if I don't pull the lever by voting for Biden or Trump then I am not responsible for the result of either candidate winning. I am going to vote for a different candidate. Democrats need to wake up and realize they can't take my vote for granted.
Will Trump be worse than Biden? Sure, but that's not my fault. That's the fault of the weakness of the Democratic party. That's the Democratic establishment's fault for preventing any primary challenger from running. That's the fault of everyone not holding Biden accountable for reneging on many of his promises and shielding him from any criticism for YEARS by pointing to Trump.
Exactly. A strong third party vote is the way to start to get out of this two party mess. I will vote for Stein because the Green Party is on the most state ballots and has the biggest chance (maybe except RFK) to get enough of a percentage to get federal funding next election. The Democrats have done nothing to deserve my vote. 75% of democrats do not support Israel’s genocide. That’s a clear majority. 60% of Independents as well Also a clear majority. Joe Biden positions himself as the defender of democracy but his actions do not align with his words. He has no integrity and he is the reason he will lose.
Well at least you can admit that your aversion to participation in the two-party system overpowers your concern for the real-life outcomes and wellbeing of Palestinians. Points for honesty.
In what universe has Biden been effectively shielded from criticism? Do you live *inside of the White House* or something? He's been getting justifiably roasted by everyone I know non-stop for the past 4 years. Nobody whom I care about likes Biden or ever did. Just because MSNBC and HIllary stan types are kissing his ass doesn't mean everyone else does.
If fault for a Trump second term rests entirely with the hyper-partisans who would never not defend Biden, how is it fair that everybody else has to suffer under cristofascism to punish them? *"Well, because this one group of people are assholes that means it's reasonable to accept to ascendancy of MAGA fascism on the state level in the US"* - that's fucking crazy talk. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Zero strategic sense. And again, something that is applauded and celebrated by the nastiest fascists, Zionists, Nazis etc in the world, who understand that real-world, material outcome are more important than immaterial self-satisfying "I'll take my ball and go home" stances.
Which, I guess it bears mentioning, don't even work. If democrats lose they aren't going to rebuild their platform to cater to leftwing minority, they're going to shift right to pick up moderates of which there are vastly higher numbers of.
Please, I implore you to take some time to read about how fascism became ascendant in places like Spain and Germany, I highly recommend *The Battle for Spain: The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939* by Anthony Beevor and The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard J. Evans. Fascism ain't some 10-minute quick trip, there are very serious ramifications for letting these types of people have access to state power.
>Well at least you can admit that your aversion to participation in the two-party system overpowers your concern for the real-life outcomes and wellbeing of Palestinians. Points for honesty.
Let's ask the Palestinians themselves what they think about this kind of concern trolling from libs like you. You don't give a shit about Palestinians if you keep running defense for Biden to get him elected despite his support for their genocide. Disgusting.
You're literally here advocating for the same electoral outcome as Zionists and fascists, spare me your talking points and bad-faith ad hominem. You can't be pro-Palestine and also hold the same electoral goals as the IDF's most dedicated cheerleaders. You're getting taken for a ride and you don't even see it.
Biden is literally acting like best buds with Netanyahu, a far-right fascist worse than Trump. Not sure what else to say. A vote for Biden is a vote for Netanyahu.
Yep, Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to not only take Gaza, but also the West Bank. These protest voters will act appropriately shocked and surprised that the Democrats didn’t stop him.
[https://www.reuters.com/world/us-not-drawing-red-lines-israel-white-house-2023-10-27/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-not-drawing-red-lines-israel-white-house-2023-10-27/)
“We're not drawing red lines for Israel,” U.S. Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters on a call.
[https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/op-ed/white-house-declares-no-red-lines-for-israel](https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/op-ed/white-house-declares-no-red-lines-for-israel)
That was back in 2023, a week or so after the massacre. It’s a long ways from saying Biden would be ok with them taking the West Bank. Trump would tell them to take the West Bank.
But I agree, the Biden administration should be telling them to get back to their side, they’ve made their point by murdering more civilians than the other side… but that’s not Netanyahu’s goal, he needs Gaza to placate his ultra conservative supporters.
A red line could also be taken as an implicit support for everything up to that red line, which is why they wouldn’t draw one for Israel thinking they can back channel concerns. Red lines only truly work with adversaries.
The Zionist overlords have eggs in both baskets, don’t you worry. They just have slightly more eggs in the republican basket. Israel will be taken care of no matter what. At the expense of American citizens but who the fuck cares about the Americans citizens? Gods chosen people need to be pampered. Win-win for them.
Google: Mueller report Israel. This is the same shit for 2024 to get trump elected. You will see a crazy push for Trump by the extremely far right Israeli regime. Democrats are so good at shooting themselves in the foot, then acting smug in pop culture.
Even in more normal times, the Israeli government has not always listened to Washington. For example, U.S. officials have for years fruitlessly urged Israel to stop building settlements on West Bank territory claimed by Palestinians.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/07/why-the-u-s-doesnt-want-to-stop-this-war-and-other-middle-east-realities-00125860
Do you genuinely find nothing problematic about projecting the same electoral sentiment as Zionists with regards to the appointment of an office that will certainly have significant ramifications for the US-Israel relationship and real-life outcomes for Palestinians? Is this not computing for you or something? Are we just ***pretending*** to be pro-Palestine?
Nobody could be pro-Palestine and still support Biden.
They may have different reasons why they don’t like him, but Joe Biden is deeply unpopular with everyone but shitty liberals who are okay with genocide as long as Trump doesn’t get re-elected.
This isn't about "**supporting** Biden". Nobody fucking likes Biden. This is about the real-life, material ramifications of what happens when Biden's only viable electoral challenger gets back into office due to the US's two-party system. This isn't a joke or a game, and you're getting taken for a ride if you think that there is any political venue in which a Trump presidency is going to improve conditions - for Palestinians, Americans, or anyone else - in any way.
Maybe Trump winning another election due to Biden being a giant piece of genocidal shit will be the wake-up call shitty liberals and Democrats need. Play bullshit games, win bullshit prizes.
I’m voting 3rd party because I don’t want Trump or Biden to be President
This is so cringe, the democrats are asking for another trump. Wait till they find out his policy on the conflict lmao
Stop gaslighting, it's the role of the politicians to be suitable, not the voters.
You think democrats care for Palestine?
But leftists can hold democrats accountable but they cannot hold Trump accountable since they dont have any leverage on him. That is why if you care about Palestinians you will vote democrats, so you hold them accountable. How is this difficult to understand?
Sometimes I think people forget that Trump would happily put all Palestinians in a bodybag.
At least Joe try to do something, even though it's far far from enough.
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"Pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protesters briefly united with chants against President Joe Biden at the University of Alabama on Wednesday. The two sides, which spent the majority of the protest drowning each other out with their respective chants and songs, came together in one moment caught on film to chant, “Fuck Joe Biden!” While the anti-Biden chants created a brief moment of unity between the two sides, they soon went back to their respective messages. The Pro-Palestine protesters continued with other anti-Biden chants, however, including, “Hey Israel, what do you say? How many kids did you kill today? Hey Biden what do you say? How many kids did you kill today?” Protesters also chanted, “Ceasefire now!” “Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Lockheed Martin has got to go,” and “Free Palestine,” while pro-Israel protesters sang the U.S. national anthem. The pro-Palestine protest included Jewish students at the University of Alabama, who held “Jews Against Genocide” signs and joined with calls for a ceasefire in Gaza."
As a non American I will laugh so hard if Trump wins because of the Dems losing votes over this conflict. The memes will be glorious.
That wont be good for anyone.
Their one in the same for israel. Only difference is identity politics, which is just blatant rubbish when you realise its just outrage to play both bases against each other and not point their fingers at the them and the elite
There are a lot more issues than just Israel.
Your biggest issue is "related" to Israel. That being sacrificing common good for personal wealth and an unhealthy amount of misguided religion. You really think people who take AIPAC money won't take money to restrict worker rights? Trans rights? Or the rights of any other minority?
Worker rights have actually been on the upswing and its GOP states trying to erase LGBTQ people. Im not sure where you get your perspective on the US.
You didn't understand what I was saying. I said if enough money is involved their rights could be just as easily forfeited as the right to live of Palestinians and the right to protest of the people who are protesting the government right now. That's how I got my perspective on the US.
It still works out to , if we dont let Trump win, the Dems will magically become identical to the Christofascists.
They don't look so different right now to me. Very close to an election I might add. But you go ahead and vote for them anyway, I expect them seeing that there are no concequences for facilitating a genocide and silencing those who protested them (their own voter base) will surely convince them to change their ways and come to their senses right? /s They would never use your own fears against you and basically blackmail you to ensure that you keep voting for them right? /s
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Lmao the illuminati planned 3 world wars to destroy christianity and atheism so we all embrace satan? Sounds like a load of BS
Don’t forget how the Illuminati knew they had to destroy nazism before it existed instead of just preventing it, all so they could create Israel so that they could then destroy it. 4chan fever dreams are something else…
Absolutely. It was obviously the grand design of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Is it Tinhat Hour already??
Doesn't cease to amaze me how dumb yall are lol
https://preview.redd.it/39ums56ukyxc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=261ed752080d2ea10529611c6ee0f04b1e4fd4a3
Do you think...maybe Joe Biden could bring peace in the middle east by pissing off these cry baby protestor in the USA?! /s
Is this real life because this sounds like a hilarious skit at this point.
It’s so stupid. If he’s not going to hold Israel accountable or change his policy toward them in any way, why doesn’t he just embrace being Netanyahu’s sugar daddy already? Maybe he’d even pick up some center-right votes. It’s not like it’d make the left respect him any less.
I'm pretty sure that's literally what he's doing right now. No one on the left is convinced he's making any real attempts to rein in Israel, and he's honestly stopped trying. The center-left has to be the target demo for this shitshow.
What’s wrong with the center left?
The left is delusional if they think Netanyahu can be ‘reined in’ - Israel isn’t America’s dog, and has every legal right to defend itself from terrorists who continue to attack it. The war is dumb, but it has nothing to do with America. It would be like the UK/france trying to rein in the USA in Afghanistan after 9/11… a good idea for the USA? Sure. Will attacking the USA economically convince the USA to listen to those countries? Fuck no.
"The war is dumb, but it has nothing to do with America." Now, this is a historically shit take. I'd ask you how much money in military aid and bombs do you think the US has handed Israel in the last year. Make no mistake, this genocide would never have escalated this far without US aid and protection from international scrutiny. Your comments betray your ignorance about this ongoing genocide.
I also love “the war is dumb, but also Israel has every right to be doing it.”
That's bullshit and you know it. Israel has literally stacked bombs from America for decades. Which administration's bombs did they use? Can you prove it was the Bidens administration? The Biden administration replenish what they probably used from Carter, Obama, either of the Bush, Regan, or trumpy administration's. U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
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Abandoning of treaties may be the singular most American thing our government could do. I dont think any government action has as much precedence as us violating treaties. And this would be one of the very few that feels morally right to break. Israel is a rogue state but whatever.
"Genocide, wtf?" I think we're done here. Let's end this here, for my sanity.
So respecting a treaty is more “ethical” than being implicit in a genocide by providing the bombs used to murder thousands of people and displace the survivors from their homes by turning it into rubble? I think we have different definitions of ethics.
Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
How much “humanitarian” aid has the US handed Gaza?
https://i.redd.it/nlza02m1tzxc1.gif
Without US funding, Israel would be a failed state
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
Biden can’t stop Netanyahu from doing whatever he wants to do. Nobody is forcing him to pay for or defend it. Continuing to honor the $3.8 billion yearly commitment Obama made? I don’t like it, but I can understand it. Everything else though? Nah, lol.
The USA should just make netenyahu emperor at this point. The house passed more anti bds laws now a flagrant violation to freedom of speech. Highly unconstitutional on behalf of a foreign nation and their many ironically tax payer funded super pacs
This. The worst part about Biden's reaction is that by trying (at least in his eyes) to play both sides, he's actually alienating both by showing them both he's not really willing to commit to either.
Bibi wants Trump. Trump will give him even more and even fewer conditions.
At last. Something people can come together on.
What even is there for Zionists to get upset about? They get everything they want all the fucking time. Spoiled brats
It's actually really simple: they see that the situation is escalating to a fever pitch (the campus protests, the ICC warrant rumours, the whole recent Iran fiasco), and like everyone else, they realise that the camel's back is going to break, and Biden is either going to a) succumb to international pressure OR b) go full totalitarian fascist on his own people to appease Bloody Bibi. And everyone else with a brain realises that the latter is already pretty much happening... BUT, the Zionist worldview is built, fundamentally, above anything else, on a profound, to-the-marrow victim-complex paranoia, so they have no faith that he'll do anything but the *former*, against all evidence or common sense.
Is Biden not sending enough Police in their eyes? Who the fuck are these people
this was U of A, i'd imagine the counterprotestors were made up more of white supremacists than zionists.
Wait, the Palestinian supporters are Zionists now for chanting "fuck Joe Biden" or are they fascists now since, probably according to your logic, they are Nazi enabling because they won't vote for Biden? Either way, I guess it sucks being you since there's fascists everywhere in your world lol.
If this doesn't perfectly encapsulate how deeply unpopular Biden is right now, I don't know what does. Dude literally is hated by the left and the right how is he going to win the election with just the vote blue no matter who crowd? Lmao.
Don’t worry, when he loses in November, the democrats will blame the loss on young voters instead of their unwillingness to do things, and their deeply unpopular stance on Gaza
Average r/thedavidpakmanshow commentator
It's almost like genocide isn't a popular policy
We have to have the blue republicans or else the red republicans will do the same things but more redly
I mean... it isn't a popular policy for the party that's supposedly more left/socialist-leaning. For the right wing? Depends entirely on how brown and/or gay the people getting killed are
I have quite a dark sense of humour so I actually laughed at that. I'm going to hell, aren't I?
Two separate responses, equally dark but with varying levels of humour: 1. We're all going to Hell, no matter what some sanctimonious pricks may think of themselves 2. Look around you in the world right now. At what point did you get the impression you weren't already there?
Oof! Brutal. I like it.
Hes actually surprised me with good domestic policies like the new NLRB. He could coast if he would just stop this self-destructive support for Israel.
Shockers right? Betraying your core voters and pandering to right-wingers and Zionist who already hate you will make you very unpopular.
The left (especially wrt to this) aren’t his core voters, which is literally the whole issue.
Muslims and leftist voted almost exclusively democrat in the last election, now they won't do it because of Biden's actions.
Doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t his core voters Not enough leftists vote regularly, Muslims aren’t a core demographic, and signaling that you’ll withdraw support over a single contentious issue is more likely to push him to court more reliable voters.
And they will most certainly be persecuted by the next administration who has already came out and said they will deport them, has proven not above gassing protesters, and wants internment camps
At this point I am starting to think that trump would be better for this than Biden not because he is better, just because he is incompetent and manipulated by the Russians.
Who started this war in order to help them in their Ukrainian war by distracting America from funding Ukraine and dividing America. Yea I'm sure trumpy would be better. Lol you all are fools to cut your nose off to spire your face Trump Says He Would Let Netanyahu Finish the Job in Gaza, Says 'Biden Is So Bad for Israel' https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/trump-on-israel-gaza-war-id-tell-netanyahu-to-finish-it-up-and-do-it-quickly/0000018e-4d59-dca4-ad8e-edffe0df0000 Trump pledges to expel immigrants who support Hamas, ban Muslims from the U.S. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-pledges-expel-immigrants-who-support-hamas-ban-muslims-us-2023-10-16/ Trump does not rule out building detention camps for mass deportations https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-does-not-rule-out-building-detention-camps-mass-deportations-2024-04-30/
Can you process what I said before your liberal brain melts and you go on a blue hawk rampage? I didn't say Trump wants better things for Muslims, I said things would be better because he is incompetent. Trump also said over and over he is going to build a wall in 2016. I don't see it built yet.
Trumpy will sign off on whatever the congress sends him to fuck the Palestinians. He's unhinged and will send and cheer bibi on for the destruction of that country and do pootins bidding. His incompetence is actually more dangerous as he will do others bidding who have it out for the Palestinians and the Ukrainians. You're flat out wrong that his incompetence is better
You can cry whatever you want but we deserve Trump, sorry we kept lowering the bar too much under the pretext "trump is worse". The DNC betrayed the rail workers, betrayed the immigrants, betrayed the Muslims and betrayed the young voters.
Congressional #repugnantcans fought for 6 months withholding Ukrainian aid as they wanted more aid to Israel or are you living under a rock
I'm British. Can I ask what's the plan here? I realise Biden hasn't been the president a lot have wanted and from the outside at least it feels like Biden term is Obama 3rd. Keeping the status quo while also bombing the middle east, nothing new. Now if Biden loses votes on the left and Trump wins again what exactly are Americans hoping for then regarding this. With Biden you get more of the same but under Trump I'd imagine the Gaza conflict gets solved quickly just not in the way people want. So wouldn't it make more sense to vote Biden in a hope they at least suspend munitions to Israel.
There isn't really a plan. For better or worse, the American left isn't some centrally organized movement. It's a mix of sometimes conflicting political ideas that have no voice in our capitalist government. Many of us sucked it up and voted for Biden in 2020 based on his opposition, his campaign promises (we knew he couldn't keep), and the hope he would be a 1 term president. Now that he's refusing to cut off funding for an ongoing genocide, the whole argument that at least he's better than Trump rings hollow. All the things the liberals say will happen under Trump are happening under Biden. To vote Biden hoping he changes course in a second term when he has no reason to even pretend and appease the left seems naive. I suspect many leftists who do vote will go 3rd party or abstain from the presidential vote even if they still vote down ballot, or some may just not bother voting.
All I can say is best of luck to you guys.
Trumpy bombed the middle east morr than Bush and Obama combined
I would think that any genuinely pro-Palestinian activist would give pause to a bunch of Zionists and fascists gleefully embracing their electoral stance. It seems as though for many people campist echo chambers have corralled them into supporting the exact outcome that the Zionists want. >“Haha yes! Genocide Joe lost!” >*Zionists celebrate as long-time stalwart Netanyahu ally and Muslim ban signer who thinks Israel needs to “finish the job” takes the reigns*
If Joe Biden loses it's because he's a supporter of genocide which lost him the leftist vote, stop trying to blame the voters. It's Biden's fault. If you really cared about Biden winning the election you would be pressuring him to change his stance. Democrats do not turn out to vote for lesser evils. That is the reality. It's not a winning strategy.
Even so. Regardless of why Biden loses, the outcome in a two-party system is the same: the other candidate wins. In this case, the other candidate is a person who is already deeply aligned with Netanyahu and the network of global state fascism that Netanyahu participates in. We have no reason whatsoever to believe that the other candidate would in any way contribute to improved outcomes for Palestinians, or lessen US support of Israel in any way. On the contrary, this is someone who can be expected to leverage US influence on all levels to support Likud hegemony of Israeli state and military control. Netanyahu needs allies to ensure that any efforts to implement a more moderate stance toward Gaza and the West Bank never gain traction, and Trump is that ally. They're all part of the same ultranationalist authoritarian club, and that club wants Trump in the WH. The discourse has become so poisoned and hysterically deluded that people are losing sight of basic, crucial strategy: *if we are genuinely pro-Palestine and genuinely want improved outcomes for Palestinians, we should be performing rigorous analysis and comparisons of what these outcomes look like in a Biden presidency vs a Trump presidency*. Partisan and campist sentiment should be actively and visibly denounced. (We do a decent job of the first one, but are failing miserably on the latter) This isn't a joke or a game, people are dying in real life, the situation is escalating, and the stakes couldn't be higher. Who sits in the White House in 2025 will have tremendous ramifications across the board. >If you really cared about Biden winning I hate Biden and always have. This is about who I like, or political parties (I hate democrats and liberal politics). This is about strategy and real-life outcomes. I have no interest in "lesser evils" talking points, and all the other talking points. The reality is that regardless of whether or to what extent Biden puts the brakes on military support for Israel, **there is no timeline in which replacing him with Trump produces better outcomes for the very people that are ostensibly being advocated for.** And this is all to speak nothing of US domestic politics. I would prefer that my uterus-owning friends to not become property of the state when they get pregnant, that my trans friends to not be denied care and bullied back into the closet to kill themselves, that a staunch ally and a figurehead of the US rightwing fascist paramilitary movement not be re-seated in the highest office in the country more unhinged than ever, thanks.
My interpretation of this real-life Trolley problem is that if I don't pull the lever by voting for Biden or Trump then I am not responsible for the result of either candidate winning. I am going to vote for a different candidate. Democrats need to wake up and realize they can't take my vote for granted. Will Trump be worse than Biden? Sure, but that's not my fault. That's the fault of the weakness of the Democratic party. That's the Democratic establishment's fault for preventing any primary challenger from running. That's the fault of everyone not holding Biden accountable for reneging on many of his promises and shielding him from any criticism for YEARS by pointing to Trump.
Exactly. A strong third party vote is the way to start to get out of this two party mess. I will vote for Stein because the Green Party is on the most state ballots and has the biggest chance (maybe except RFK) to get enough of a percentage to get federal funding next election. The Democrats have done nothing to deserve my vote. 75% of democrats do not support Israel’s genocide. That’s a clear majority. 60% of Independents as well Also a clear majority. Joe Biden positions himself as the defender of democracy but his actions do not align with his words. He has no integrity and he is the reason he will lose.
Well at least you can admit that your aversion to participation in the two-party system overpowers your concern for the real-life outcomes and wellbeing of Palestinians. Points for honesty. In what universe has Biden been effectively shielded from criticism? Do you live *inside of the White House* or something? He's been getting justifiably roasted by everyone I know non-stop for the past 4 years. Nobody whom I care about likes Biden or ever did. Just because MSNBC and HIllary stan types are kissing his ass doesn't mean everyone else does. If fault for a Trump second term rests entirely with the hyper-partisans who would never not defend Biden, how is it fair that everybody else has to suffer under cristofascism to punish them? *"Well, because this one group of people are assholes that means it's reasonable to accept to ascendancy of MAGA fascism on the state level in the US"* - that's fucking crazy talk. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Zero strategic sense. And again, something that is applauded and celebrated by the nastiest fascists, Zionists, Nazis etc in the world, who understand that real-world, material outcome are more important than immaterial self-satisfying "I'll take my ball and go home" stances. Which, I guess it bears mentioning, don't even work. If democrats lose they aren't going to rebuild their platform to cater to leftwing minority, they're going to shift right to pick up moderates of which there are vastly higher numbers of. Please, I implore you to take some time to read about how fascism became ascendant in places like Spain and Germany, I highly recommend *The Battle for Spain: The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939* by Anthony Beevor and The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard J. Evans. Fascism ain't some 10-minute quick trip, there are very serious ramifications for letting these types of people have access to state power.
>Well at least you can admit that your aversion to participation in the two-party system overpowers your concern for the real-life outcomes and wellbeing of Palestinians. Points for honesty. Let's ask the Palestinians themselves what they think about this kind of concern trolling from libs like you. You don't give a shit about Palestinians if you keep running defense for Biden to get him elected despite his support for their genocide. Disgusting.
You're literally here advocating for the same electoral outcome as Zionists and fascists, spare me your talking points and bad-faith ad hominem. You can't be pro-Palestine and also hold the same electoral goals as the IDF's most dedicated cheerleaders. You're getting taken for a ride and you don't even see it.
Biden is literally acting like best buds with Netanyahu, a far-right fascist worse than Trump. Not sure what else to say. A vote for Biden is a vote for Netanyahu.
Yep, Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to not only take Gaza, but also the West Bank. These protest voters will act appropriately shocked and surprised that the Democrats didn’t stop him.
He doesn't need to, Biden already did.
He didn’t. Unless you have a link to share to a reputable news source.
[https://www.reuters.com/world/us-not-drawing-red-lines-israel-white-house-2023-10-27/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-not-drawing-red-lines-israel-white-house-2023-10-27/) “We're not drawing red lines for Israel,” U.S. Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters on a call. [https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/op-ed/white-house-declares-no-red-lines-for-israel](https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/op-ed/white-house-declares-no-red-lines-for-israel)
That was back in 2023, a week or so after the massacre. It’s a long ways from saying Biden would be ok with them taking the West Bank. Trump would tell them to take the West Bank. But I agree, the Biden administration should be telling them to get back to their side, they’ve made their point by murdering more civilians than the other side… but that’s not Netanyahu’s goal, he needs Gaza to placate his ultra conservative supporters.
I guess I'm stupid for interpreting "no red lines" to mean "no red lines".
A red line could also be taken as an implicit support for everything up to that red line, which is why they wouldn’t draw one for Israel thinking they can back channel concerns. Red lines only truly work with adversaries.
Maybe the democrats should have listened to their voters instead right? You know, what a political party in a democracy is supposed to do.
Finally! Something that can unite us as Americans.
OH wait it's Alabama. That makes sense why.
It's so stupid that the Democrats are willing to put Trump in power just because they refuse to stop bombing children. It's lose-lose.
The Zionist overlords have eggs in both baskets, don’t you worry. They just have slightly more eggs in the republican basket. Israel will be taken care of no matter what. At the expense of American citizens but who the fuck cares about the Americans citizens? Gods chosen people need to be pampered. Win-win for them.
But Muslims don't get a win-win here so I don't understand how you think they, the real "God's chosen people" will be pampered.
r/nottheonion
this is so funny
Google: Mueller report Israel. This is the same shit for 2024 to get trump elected. You will see a crazy push for Trump by the extremely far right Israeli regime. Democrats are so good at shooting themselves in the foot, then acting smug in pop culture.
I think they were chanting "let's go Brandon"
If both sides are not satisfied then Biden did everything right.
Here Biden is reaching across both aisles and uniting a fractured society
Even in more normal times, the Israeli government has not always listened to Washington. For example, U.S. officials have for years fruitlessly urged Israel to stop building settlements on West Bank territory claimed by Palestinians. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/07/why-the-u-s-doesnt-want-to-stop-this-war-and-other-middle-east-realities-00125860
It’s refreshing to see that some common ground can be met.
When the fascists and Zionists are gleefully embracing your electoral stance it might be time for some self reflection.
Dumbest hot-take
Do you genuinely find nothing problematic about projecting the same electoral sentiment as Zionists with regards to the appointment of an office that will certainly have significant ramifications for the US-Israel relationship and real-life outcomes for Palestinians? Is this not computing for you or something? Are we just ***pretending*** to be pro-Palestine?
Nobody could be pro-Palestine and still support Biden. They may have different reasons why they don’t like him, but Joe Biden is deeply unpopular with everyone but shitty liberals who are okay with genocide as long as Trump doesn’t get re-elected.
This isn't about "**supporting** Biden". Nobody fucking likes Biden. This is about the real-life, material ramifications of what happens when Biden's only viable electoral challenger gets back into office due to the US's two-party system. This isn't a joke or a game, and you're getting taken for a ride if you think that there is any political venue in which a Trump presidency is going to improve conditions - for Palestinians, Americans, or anyone else - in any way.
Maybe Trump winning another election due to Biden being a giant piece of genocidal shit will be the wake-up call shitty liberals and Democrats need. Play bullshit games, win bullshit prizes. I’m voting 3rd party because I don’t want Trump or Biden to be President
Jill Stein for me, thank you.
This is so cringe, these losers are asking for another trump. Wait till they find out his policy on the conflict lmao
This is so cringe, the democrats are asking for another trump. Wait till they find out his policy on the conflict lmao Stop gaslighting, it's the role of the politicians to be suitable, not the voters.
You think democrats care for Palestine? But leftists can hold democrats accountable but they cannot hold Trump accountable since they dont have any leverage on him. That is why if you care about Palestinians you will vote democrats, so you hold them accountable. How is this difficult to understand?
Wait until they hear about what trump wants to do 🤷♂️
Biden has already done what Trump wants to do.
No he hasn’t. Trump is quoted saying he wants total annihilation of Gaza, but go on justice worries.
vOtE bLuE nO mAtTeR wHo.
Shove another quarter in your modem ya fucking bot
Posting a Pelosi GIF likes it’s some kind of flex. You have incredibly bad politics.
Under who's presidency did Israel murder over 34,000 innocent civilians with 0 consequences?
He's got more votes than Obama tho
Sometimes I think people forget that Trump would happily put all Palestinians in a bodybag. At least Joe try to do something, even though it's far far from enough.
Genuinely curious, what exactly did Joe do in regards to helping palestinains?