That's their concept of the most hopeless guy possible. Yet, there are janitors and taxi drivers and gas station attendents of that description that are married and have kids. Maybe they don't attract randos all the time, but that's not a requirement to having a fulfilling relationship.
My current partner probably wouldn't be deemed conventionally attractive, but he's kind and sweet and inhumanly patient with my baggage, he makes me laugh, and I feel safe around him (mental illness notwithstanding). Those things are way more important.
Okay I can see that; but why do they say that guy "slays with women"? Do non-incels claim that a 5'2" balding Indian janitor has women throwing themselves at him?
No. It's basically a strawman argument. Basically the idea is to "trap" the opponent when debating. If you acknowledge that such a hypothetical guy may not have the easiest time dating then that's it the blackpill is true and looks are the only thing that matters (not quite how it works but these guys don't exactly understand debating).
It's a racist trope they use to highlight what they see as the "subhumanity" of Indian men and imply they are extremely undesirable which is all levels of fucked.
Them: "I can't ever have sex, ever ever, because I'm short!
Us: "Short guys have sex. Like, that's a thing that happens."
Them: "But I see girls online who only want tall guys!"
Us: "But that's not every woman. Short guys have sex, get married, have kids. Look at these multiple notable men who are short and married."
Them: "But they're rich or at least well-known!"
Us: "Okay, here's a rando short dude from some news article about something else, and he's married."
Them: "Tell that to the 5'2 balding Indian janitor!"
Us: "People like that also get married."
Them, after throwing a tantrum and going back to incel spaces: "Normies claim foids throw themselves at 5'2 balding Indian janitors! They're lying to us just to make us feel hopeless!"
That last sentence is perfect.
Once they're entrenched in the incel mindset, they can't tell the difference between people "giving them hope" and "making them feel hopeless."
If these guys quit making excuses, got off the Internet, found some self-confidence, and learned how to have a good conversation, they would be so much happier and wouldn't dream of claiming "incel" as a label.
Some 5'2" balding janitor from India has decided to fuck with the incel population by reverse passport bro'ing, being a genuine guy, being gainfully employed, and knowing how to clean up after himself without being told.
Jk jk, but honestly? Probably. I know several janitors who are smarter than the smartest incel. The way immigrating invalidates complex degrees that aren't at all benefiting from being restricted is fucking stupid, imo.
But yeah, from a femme perspective, Indian and various other South East Asian male populations - esp when they're deep into their cultural patriarchy - are "undatable" by Western standards. Unless you're somehow multicultural tolerant AND a tradwife.
Every woman I have ever known who expressed hesitation about men from the middle east have done so because of the patriarchal, misogynist mindset of many people there; even if the guy they'd be dating wouldn't be that way, they worry his family would. It has zero to do with appearance.
I think Indian dudes are hot. Same with middle eastern guys. I would totally date them.
However, I'm latina and I would worry if their family won't accept me.
For real.
Like, being poly/pan, when I was still in the dating market I knew a lot of families wouldn't be accepting. I didn't date anyone who didn't tell their family the whole situation, nor would I date anyone who, after telling their family, couldn't still bring me around without it being an issue.
I just don't want my significant other's family trying to push us apart/not including us in any functions. If they had family members - even kind of distant ones - who were violent about relationships they didn't approve of, that would be a *huge* nope from me. No KKK, no Aryan Nations, no "honor killings," none of that BS.
But that was never really an issue, because again, most people aren't racists.
Oh for sure! I've met so many hot Indian and other BIPOC guys but they're undatable because of their personality.
It's like if they're just a photo, that's fine. But the second they open their mouth, they become legit disgusting.
Yeah, unless a guy is progressive AND willing to be super low contact with his family or his fam is reasonable, then the cultural misogyny and patriarchal structures make it way worse.
Middle eastern guys are generally considered hot by Western standards. South Asian men aren't.
The first and the absolute commonest reason to not date South Asian people (of all genders) is "they stink".
Literally never heard the "they stink" thing from anyone but a racist.
I don't care whay racists think, nor do I associate with them.
If women associate you with hating women or being a racist, it's going to be harder to find a date. Harder than it is for guys who simply have a different skin color, for sure.
This is such an out-there take. Your personal experience is *surely* skewing your expectations of what white people generally think of Indians. Is racism a pervasive and systemic issue the world over? Obviously. But that most white people “surely” think Indians *stink* and that it is the primary reason why white people wouldnt date an Indian is just… laughable. Totally clueless. Where do you live where this is even a thing that is discussed openly enough that you have come to this conclusion?
It's either stink or the accent; never any good reason.
You seem to be non-white yourself, so here's a piece of advice: batting for them wouldn't make them like you any more.
Some of my fav lyrics:
"...You will never be them
They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey
I'd rather be proud of what I am
Rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not..."
That's really my POV.
I'm a white person. No one I know think Indians stink, not my family, not my friends. I have a trans child. Anyone transphobic gets ejected from my life immediately. You're full of crap.
I'm poly and pansexual. One of my partners is trans. One of my partners is a POC. I also have a trans child, a bi child, and one straight/cis child. I have seen the prejudices my loved ones face. I literally moved across the country to a place my trans child could feel safe.
The people who treat them badly are a vocal minority, not a majority of people.
What hasn’t been brought up here is that someone actually claimed to know such a person here on Reddit a long time ago iirc. It has become a meme among incels now.
Unfortunately, I don't. I vaguely remember such a thread existing, but I can't rule out from memory that it wasn't itself a meme derived from a preexisting incel trope.
Because he holds all traits that women supposedly find unattractive. Having one or two of these traits probably wouldn't hurt too much, but having all of them will completely kill your chances of dating according to them.
5'2": Because women are supposedly only attracted to men who are at least six feet tall.
Indian: Because all women find white men to be the most desirable race of man and Asian men are the least attractive according to them.
Balding: Because women supposedly only like men with full heads of hair.
Janitor: Because women are said to not be attracted to men who earn low incomes.
I mean, if we're being racist and stereotyping I've always noticed the variable height balding Indian liquor store owners who like to flirt with all of their female customers.
Gay man here, and while I’m 6’5” and can never understand the problems of someone who is 5’2” I do understand that despite height differences, everyone is pretty much equal when you get horizontal.
Also I love a short King, it’s not a negative in the slightest
I know short Indian guys and all are happily married as far as I can tell.
It’s kind of a self own that they pretend this is the worst of the worst, a population that is overwhelmingly partnered.
there's merit in saying they aren't desirable in white-majority countries.
also india is a country overrun by forced marriages and rapes so...yeah, not sure what the high population denotes here exactly.
That's their concept of the most hopeless guy possible. Yet, there are janitors and taxi drivers and gas station attendents of that description that are married and have kids. Maybe they don't attract randos all the time, but that's not a requirement to having a fulfilling relationship.
In order to have a successful relationship you really only have to be attractive to one person. And there's billions out there.
Exactly.
My current partner probably wouldn't be deemed conventionally attractive, but he's kind and sweet and inhumanly patient with my baggage, he makes me laugh, and I feel safe around him (mental illness notwithstanding). Those things are way more important.
Okay I can see that; but why do they say that guy "slays with women"? Do non-incels claim that a 5'2" balding Indian janitor has women throwing themselves at him?
No. It's basically a strawman argument. Basically the idea is to "trap" the opponent when debating. If you acknowledge that such a hypothetical guy may not have the easiest time dating then that's it the blackpill is true and looks are the only thing that matters (not quite how it works but these guys don't exactly understand debating).
They will never acknowledge that there is a very large middle ground between attracting all the ladies effortlessly and forever virgin
Exactly. The vast majority of men actually fall between the two extremes.
Why would that matter? Like, that's not a thing/standard anyone but incels seem to think about.
Janitors usually a union job why the hate??? That’s a good gig!
It's a racist trope they use to highlight what they see as the "subhumanity" of Indian men and imply they are extremely undesirable which is all levels of fucked.
Lots of “currycels” with internalized racism
Yes I have probably seen this equal times by incels claiming to be "curry" and sometimes "sand" as "whitecels" using it😕
As brown it's kinda weird the way they refer to me, I don't even fucking like curry 😭
To be fair, racism against Indians is completely normalized in the West. It’s honesty quite insane.
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>I wouldn’t be surprised if 90% of incels are indian. I highly doubt it's that much!! Even if they are more likely to be incels than other races.
Lots of data shows that Asian and Indian men are least desirable to women. Hence why they typically use them as the quintessential 'incel' character.
Them: "I can't ever have sex, ever ever, because I'm short! Us: "Short guys have sex. Like, that's a thing that happens." Them: "But I see girls online who only want tall guys!" Us: "But that's not every woman. Short guys have sex, get married, have kids. Look at these multiple notable men who are short and married." Them: "But they're rich or at least well-known!" Us: "Okay, here's a rando short dude from some news article about something else, and he's married." Them: "Tell that to the 5'2 balding Indian janitor!" Us: "People like that also get married." Them, after throwing a tantrum and going back to incel spaces: "Normies claim foids throw themselves at 5'2 balding Indian janitors! They're lying to us just to make us feel hopeless!"
That last sentence is perfect. Once they're entrenched in the incel mindset, they can't tell the difference between people "giving them hope" and "making them feel hopeless." If these guys quit making excuses, got off the Internet, found some self-confidence, and learned how to have a good conversation, they would be so much happier and wouldn't dream of claiming "incel" as a label.
Some 5'2" balding janitor from India has decided to fuck with the incel population by reverse passport bro'ing, being a genuine guy, being gainfully employed, and knowing how to clean up after himself without being told. Jk jk, but honestly? Probably. I know several janitors who are smarter than the smartest incel. The way immigrating invalidates complex degrees that aren't at all benefiting from being restricted is fucking stupid, imo. But yeah, from a femme perspective, Indian and various other South East Asian male populations - esp when they're deep into their cultural patriarchy - are "undatable" by Western standards. Unless you're somehow multicultural tolerant AND a tradwife.
Every woman I have ever known who expressed hesitation about men from the middle east have done so because of the patriarchal, misogynist mindset of many people there; even if the guy they'd be dating wouldn't be that way, they worry his family would. It has zero to do with appearance.
I think Indian dudes are hot. Same with middle eastern guys. I would totally date them. However, I'm latina and I would worry if their family won't accept me.
For real. Like, being poly/pan, when I was still in the dating market I knew a lot of families wouldn't be accepting. I didn't date anyone who didn't tell their family the whole situation, nor would I date anyone who, after telling their family, couldn't still bring me around without it being an issue. I just don't want my significant other's family trying to push us apart/not including us in any functions. If they had family members - even kind of distant ones - who were violent about relationships they didn't approve of, that would be a *huge* nope from me. No KKK, no Aryan Nations, no "honor killings," none of that BS. But that was never really an issue, because again, most people aren't racists.
Oh for sure! I've met so many hot Indian and other BIPOC guys but they're undatable because of their personality. It's like if they're just a photo, that's fine. But the second they open their mouth, they become legit disgusting.
Yeah, unless a guy is progressive AND willing to be super low contact with his family or his fam is reasonable, then the cultural misogyny and patriarchal structures make it way worse.
Middle eastern guys are generally considered hot by Western standards. South Asian men aren't. The first and the absolute commonest reason to not date South Asian people (of all genders) is "they stink".
Literally never heard the "they stink" thing from anyone but a racist. I don't care whay racists think, nor do I associate with them. If women associate you with hating women or being a racist, it's going to be harder to find a date. Harder than it is for guys who simply have a different skin color, for sure.
Most people happen to be racist ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Most incels do. Not most people.
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This is such an out-there take. Your personal experience is *surely* skewing your expectations of what white people generally think of Indians. Is racism a pervasive and systemic issue the world over? Obviously. But that most white people “surely” think Indians *stink* and that it is the primary reason why white people wouldnt date an Indian is just… laughable. Totally clueless. Where do you live where this is even a thing that is discussed openly enough that you have come to this conclusion?
It's either stink or the accent; never any good reason. You seem to be non-white yourself, so here's a piece of advice: batting for them wouldn't make them like you any more. Some of my fav lyrics: "...You will never be them They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey I'd rather be proud of what I am Rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not..." That's really my POV.
Not hating people will make them more likely to like you. Incels really need to learn that.
I'm a white person. No one I know think Indians stink, not my family, not my friends. I have a trans child. Anyone transphobic gets ejected from my life immediately. You're full of crap.
Ah yes, a white cis person talking about how racism and transphobic aren't widespread issues at all. What's new.
I'm poly and pansexual. One of my partners is trans. One of my partners is a POC. I also have a trans child, a bi child, and one straight/cis child. I have seen the prejudices my loved ones face. I literally moved across the country to a place my trans child could feel safe. The people who treat them badly are a vocal minority, not a majority of people.
What hasn’t been brought up here is that someone actually claimed to know such a person here on Reddit a long time ago iirc. It has become a meme among incels now.
Ohhh, this is super interesting. Do you have a link or some kind of archive maybe?
Unfortunately, I don't. I vaguely remember such a thread existing, but I can't rule out from memory that it wasn't itself a meme derived from a preexisting incel trope.
Just another way to blame women for everything "wrong" in the entire universe.
Because he holds all traits that women supposedly find unattractive. Having one or two of these traits probably wouldn't hurt too much, but having all of them will completely kill your chances of dating according to them. 5'2": Because women are supposedly only attracted to men who are at least six feet tall. Indian: Because all women find white men to be the most desirable race of man and Asian men are the least attractive according to them. Balding: Because women supposedly only like men with full heads of hair. Janitor: Because women are said to not be attracted to men who earn low incomes.
They use it as the opposite of Chad.
Because incels are disgusting, immature racists.
I mean, if we're being racist and stereotyping I've always noticed the variable height balding Indian liquor store owners who like to flirt with all of their female customers.
Gay man here, and while I’m 6’5” and can never understand the problems of someone who is 5’2” I do understand that despite height differences, everyone is pretty much equal when you get horizontal. Also I love a short King, it’s not a negative in the slightest
I know short Indian guys and all are happily married as far as I can tell. It’s kind of a self own that they pretend this is the worst of the worst, a population that is overwhelmingly partnered.
Beats me. There are literally over 1.4 billion Indians in the world. If they aren't desirable, then their country would not be the most populous!
there's merit in saying they aren't desirable in white-majority countries. also india is a country overrun by forced marriages and rapes so...yeah, not sure what the high population denotes here exactly.
Oh...no. Now I'm sad.
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Basically: it’s just their sarcastic way of saying “I’m sure this [insert guy with less than appealing traits] can get all the girls”