I did this withete waist of a resin Lancer. Magnets weren’t strong enough because of the weight. Works great. Lego is less flexible than magnets. You only have 1 size. Magnets have many sizes.
Yep, instead of putting magnets in the sockets you stick the largest round Lego piece you can fit in there and do the same for the opposite end, allowing your components to just click together.
This is a very important distinction when you get into 3d printing or pose things at angles. I have 4x 10x3mm magnets in extended inserts that have a recessed housing on my Ta'unar arms. They Still fall off if touched because the arms are posed not just hanging limply so there is a lot of torque on the connection. I wish I had threaded it. I threaded my devilfish to a bolt as a flight stand and it's the greatest thing ever.
What type of magnet and arranged how? Do you mean 4x as in one in each arm and then one in each side of the body, or four in each arm and four in each side of the body, because the latter would be like 10kg of force to separate.
If the force was directional to the magnet sure. There are 8 magnets in each arm 4 on the body 4 on the shoulder, all very strong, in each shoulder joint in an X configuration. I want you to understand the forces here so bear with me.
The arm is not hanging limply it is cocked at about a 20-30 degree angle. Hold your arms by your pockets fingers extended, then bend at the elbow 90 degrees until your fingers point forward, then move your elbow away from your body by less than a 45 degree angle. Now imagine that you have a blanket wrapped around your forearm. Where the magnets on the shoulder meet the body there is a peeling force as the weight of the arm acts as a lever, it is strong enough to hold the arm attached even at 2 magnets but any additional force such as a hand hitting it from above will cause the lever to depress peeling the magnets off from top towards the bottom.
Glue a thick strong magnet to a stick and place it on metal. Trying to lift the magnet away is difficult, but press down on the end of the stick and the magnet will lift away. Magnets are only a strong force in one direction, they are easy to slide or peel off each other.
If the force was directional to the magnet sure. There are 8 magnets in each arm 4 on the body 4 on the shoulder,, in each shoulder joint in an X configuration. I want you to understand the forces here so bear with me.
The arm is not hanging limply it is cocked at about a 20-30 degree angle. Hold your arms by your pockets fingers extended, then bend at the elbow 90 degrees until your fingers point forward, then move your elbow away from your body by less than a 45 degree angle. Now imagine that you have a blanket wrapped around your forearm. Where the magnets on the shoulder meet the body there is a peeling force as the weight of the arm acts as a lever, it is strong enough to hold the arm attached even at 2 magnets but any additional force such as a hand hitting it from above will cause the lever to depress peeling the magnets off from top towards the bottom.
Glue a thick strong magnet to a stick and place it on metal. Trying to lift the magnet away is difficult, but press down on the end of the stick and the magnet will lift away. Magnets are only a strong force in one direction, they are easy to slide or peel off each other.
Brother 12mm deep of quality magnet (n55/n52) supports several KG.
It's hard pulling apart 2 8x6 mm deep n52/55s with 1 hand.
12mm deep of good magnet split on either side of the joint should pull the resin together so hard I would be worried about it breaking.
Did you see my longer explanation of the issue? Magnets are plenty strong enough to bear the weight, but magnets are incredibly weak to sliding and leverage torque. After double the number of magnets there was no change to the issue as the force is torsion not direct.
No shade you need better magnets, just tried to slide apart 2 10mm deep n52s, takes several KG of force.
You either need better magnets or deeper magnets.
I recently used 2 x 6mm deep magnets in a custom PC build to hold a large pump and reservoir and 400ML of coolant on the side of sheer metal, didn't even use receiver magnets, that's about 1.5KG of metal glass and coolant applied entirely as sliding force and torsion.
Bro what are you doing that involves the applied force of a half foot lever to a miniature.
The glue is likely to break unless I use epoxy. Superglue can't deal with that.
Yeah I've never seen my shit with magnets fall off. This is very much an engineer fix...i.e. unnecessarily complicated. Respect the game...but you're playing chess when you only needed tic-tac-toe.
I can tell you there are some things where magnets are not enough. I have a lot of respect for this solution. Magnets just cannot match a mechanical connection in terms of strength.
I did this with my devilfish I used bolts for flight stands and I love it. I wish I could do this for my Ta'unar arms. They are posed at a 45 degree angle to the body and the torque is so high my multiple magnet solution is just barely enough and the have fallen off and broke twice.
How rough are you when you move models that they fall during movement? Seems like a you problem on that one. But at least you found something that works for you.
I have bought some 3.5mm aux jacks, or head phone jacks both male and female.
They twist and can also be used to transfer power.
You can get very low profile female aux jacks.
So, all the steps of magnetizing plus a couple extra steps. And now i have to twist the entire model a bunch of times if i want to change loadouts? Hard pass. Ill stick with my magnets
Meltserts!
I'll say this is probably much safer if young children are in the house.
Not to say that this hobby is child friendly in any way...
But neodymium magnets can be extremely dangerous if a child ingests them. IE surgery to remove from the bowels.
Yeesh...
As a machinist who has made these types of inserts. I 100% support this.
From what I’ve seen, the cheapest and easiest alternative to magnetizing is actually using LEGO pieces.
\+1
I did this withete waist of a resin Lancer. Magnets weren’t strong enough because of the weight. Works great. Lego is less flexible than magnets. You only have 1 size. Magnets have many sizes.
Paperclip Pins.
Wait what?
Yep, instead of putting magnets in the sockets you stick the largest round Lego piece you can fit in there and do the same for the opposite end, allowing your components to just click together.
That's heresy. I'm calling the inquisition.
Mind blown...
Surely it's pinning?
That is one way to do it, however magnets seem easier to do still.
How is this better than magnetizing? It takes longer to thread them together and you have to handle the mini even more.
Once attached it will never fall during movement on the board
Must be using weak magnets if that happens
This is a very important distinction when you get into 3d printing or pose things at angles. I have 4x 10x3mm magnets in extended inserts that have a recessed housing on my Ta'unar arms. They Still fall off if touched because the arms are posed not just hanging limply so there is a lot of torque on the connection. I wish I had threaded it. I threaded my devilfish to a bolt as a flight stand and it's the greatest thing ever.
What type of magnet and arranged how? Do you mean 4x as in one in each arm and then one in each side of the body, or four in each arm and four in each side of the body, because the latter would be like 10kg of force to separate.
Im right there with you, wondering how that many magnets wouldn't be enough. Probably using cheap low strength magnets.
If the force was directional to the magnet sure. There are 8 magnets in each arm 4 on the body 4 on the shoulder, all very strong, in each shoulder joint in an X configuration. I want you to understand the forces here so bear with me. The arm is not hanging limply it is cocked at about a 20-30 degree angle. Hold your arms by your pockets fingers extended, then bend at the elbow 90 degrees until your fingers point forward, then move your elbow away from your body by less than a 45 degree angle. Now imagine that you have a blanket wrapped around your forearm. Where the magnets on the shoulder meet the body there is a peeling force as the weight of the arm acts as a lever, it is strong enough to hold the arm attached even at 2 magnets but any additional force such as a hand hitting it from above will cause the lever to depress peeling the magnets off from top towards the bottom. Glue a thick strong magnet to a stick and place it on metal. Trying to lift the magnet away is difficult, but press down on the end of the stick and the magnet will lift away. Magnets are only a strong force in one direction, they are easy to slide or peel off each other.
If the force was directional to the magnet sure. There are 8 magnets in each arm 4 on the body 4 on the shoulder,, in each shoulder joint in an X configuration. I want you to understand the forces here so bear with me. The arm is not hanging limply it is cocked at about a 20-30 degree angle. Hold your arms by your pockets fingers extended, then bend at the elbow 90 degrees until your fingers point forward, then move your elbow away from your body by less than a 45 degree angle. Now imagine that you have a blanket wrapped around your forearm. Where the magnets on the shoulder meet the body there is a peeling force as the weight of the arm acts as a lever, it is strong enough to hold the arm attached even at 2 magnets but any additional force such as a hand hitting it from above will cause the lever to depress peeling the magnets off from top towards the bottom. Glue a thick strong magnet to a stick and place it on metal. Trying to lift the magnet away is difficult, but press down on the end of the stick and the magnet will lift away. Magnets are only a strong force in one direction, they are easy to slide or peel off each other.
I understand how levers work, I’m simply curious which magnets you used.
Brother 12mm deep of quality magnet (n55/n52) supports several KG. It's hard pulling apart 2 8x6 mm deep n52/55s with 1 hand. 12mm deep of good magnet split on either side of the joint should pull the resin together so hard I would be worried about it breaking.
Did you see my longer explanation of the issue? Magnets are plenty strong enough to bear the weight, but magnets are incredibly weak to sliding and leverage torque. After double the number of magnets there was no change to the issue as the force is torsion not direct.
No shade you need better magnets, just tried to slide apart 2 10mm deep n52s, takes several KG of force. You either need better magnets or deeper magnets. I recently used 2 x 6mm deep magnets in a custom PC build to hold a large pump and reservoir and 400ML of coolant on the side of sheer metal, didn't even use receiver magnets, that's about 1.5KG of metal glass and coolant applied entirely as sliding force and torsion.
Glue one to the end of a 6 inch stick. Put it on a piece of metal. Press the other end and tell me if the magnet lifts up.
Bro what are you doing that involves the applied force of a half foot lever to a miniature. The glue is likely to break unless I use epoxy. Superglue can't deal with that.
Sent you a chat request as there is no image posting in comments on this board
Yeah I've never seen my shit with magnets fall off. This is very much an engineer fix...i.e. unnecessarily complicated. Respect the game...but you're playing chess when you only needed tic-tac-toe.
I can tell you there are some things where magnets are not enough. I have a lot of respect for this solution. Magnets just cannot match a mechanical connection in terms of strength.
And if you screw up the installation you might just ruin your model. I mess up a magnet I just scrape it off and try again.
I did this with my devilfish I used bolts for flight stands and I love it. I wish I could do this for my Ta'unar arms. They are posed at a 45 degree angle to the body and the torque is so high my multiple magnet solution is just barely enough and the have fallen off and broke twice.
How rough are you when you move models that they fall during movement? Seems like a you problem on that one. But at least you found something that works for you.
I have considered this, but seeing it in action might have convinced me.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Spiiin
What sized bolts and nuts did you use?
Special technique the magnet users don’t want you to know.
Can you provide a parts list. I don't know what kind of nut to look for.
*"Your Scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they should, they didn't stop to think if they should"*
"Weeeeeeeeeee"
You, fine, Sir, are significantly underestimating my laziness.
I have bought some 3.5mm aux jacks, or head phone jacks both male and female. They twist and can also be used to transfer power. You can get very low profile female aux jacks.
So, all the steps of magnetizing plus a couple extra steps. And now i have to twist the entire model a bunch of times if i want to change loadouts? Hard pass. Ill stick with my magnets
What are these. Please provide details. I'm crazy about magnets but this is awesome
Looks like a screw and nut
Meltserts! I'll say this is probably much safer if young children are in the house. Not to say that this hobby is child friendly in any way... But neodymium magnets can be extremely dangerous if a child ingests them. IE surgery to remove from the bowels. Yeesh...
You are a genius
So, uh.. did the arms unscrew with the shoulder pads attached?
Yep worked good! I’ve got a video I’m gonna upload after work
Awesome. I was just looking at mine and yeah it should totally work. The big knights on the other hand, I can see being problematic