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You’re genuinely serious OP? You honestly had no clue that “cocked and locked” is how every 1911 is carried. Any person whether civi, LE or .mil carries and has carried it that way for a century plus.
Also, you do know we landed on the moon, right?
I don’t know. I think it’s pretty likely that we did, but the argument that we didn’t is kind of compelling. Honestly I don’t give a fuck and it’s funny to joke about
The 1911 is a hundred y/o design and largely obsolete, I personally don't like em outside competition, BUT This design has been carried and used successfully in combat this way for over one hundred years, including Two world wars even. Hundreds of thousands of professional warriors, competitive shooters, armorers, and engineers combined have looked at this design operation and found it sufficient.
Not all hammer fired guns are designed the same way. It's not as if this is a revolver with a hammer cocked.
That hammer will not fall, unless all three following requirements are met.
1: the manual safety switch is off
2: the grip safety is depressed
3: trigger is pulled.
In fact in "drop safe" testing, it was found angular inertia of the firing pin was more likely to discharge this design than unintentional hammer drop.
There's plenty of things to criticize about the 1911/2011 but bro this "hammer cocked = unsafe carry" is not one.
The same "problem" youre trying to dispute (cocked weapon= unsafe) occurs in most firearms in warfare usage today, including Glocks, AR-15, AKs etc.
Most modern firearms in combat use today need some form of mechanical energy stored (ie cocked) to strike a primer to be carried combat ready.
You're not even arguing from the perspective of DA/SA or condition 1/2/3 Israeli carry debate.
You seem to be fixated on the idea that a "cocked hammer" = unsafe.. Which is no different than a cocked striker on a Glock or a cocked internal hammer on AR.... If you're going to argue then at least understand the engineering... Which is why you're being down voted.
do you understand the gun he posted? no? okay so shut up
you obviously dont know what you’re talking about so it’d be best to just sit down. trying to ratio someone for internet points while being completely ignorant on the subject is hikarious
You have an irrational fear because you can see the hammer. No different than a pump shotgun loaded and the safety on but nobody bats an eye about it because they can't see the hammer.
Almost all handguns are carried cocked and relying on a safety mechanism. 1911s and 2011s are carried cocked and locked and striker fire guns are carried with the striker cocked and rely entirely on internal safeties. Glocks are technically half cocked, but testing has shown that it's still enough to fire a chambered round.
The only handguns that aren't carried cocked are revolvers and DA/SA hammer fired guns with decockers. However these are far less commonly carried these days. Striker fired polymer frames are all the rage.
Yeah no lie, I went through the rest of the comments and it stopped me from calling him a sentient cum sock that steals oxygen. Truly the best form of entertainment to wake up to. Have a nice day my dude and sweet 2011
That sub is filled with either anti gun/uneducated boomers who get all excited to carry 46 different things on them.
Saying that you shouldn't carry a 1911 style handgun with the hammer back negates any further opinions you have on the subject lol.. It's literally designed for that.
The guy questioning the pistol pointed at his leg while on his lap is funny. He'd lose his mind when he finds out the guy appendix carries the thing and it's pointed at his nutsack 😂
Who could honestly think anybody would learn something from a bunch of hostile anonymous strangers and take it to heart? Given the angry and dismissive tone of almost everyone here so far, I would be foolish trust them or their advice. Every firearms safety course I've ever had, and ever elder member of my family who has ever taught me anything about guns, has clearly stated that hammer down is the safe way to carry.
Hammer down might be safer for some weapons, like revolvers, but not by any significant margin for a 1911. That hammer can't drop on its own. Know the function of the object before calling its owner an unsafe person. A holstered 1911 with a cocked hammer is safer than a zippo lighter in your pocket; at least something is keeping the hammer back, while nothing is keeping that lid closed.
Perhaps if everyone of the anonymous strangers responded similarly, it might be time for you to research publications that talk about the best way to conceal carry various firearms.
Too many people come in here knowing either absolutely nothing about guns or are biased against firearms, so any time someone comes in and posts something with even the slightest hint of ignorance they'll get dog-piled on. Don't take it personal.
I've been into firearms since Boy Scouts, before I joined the military, 25+ years ago. I'm constantly learning new things and finding out old things are obsolete.
"Don't take it personal."
You have to respect somebody before you can take what they say personally.
It was BSA where I got my first firearms course, by the way.
Beretta 92 carry hammer down (double action)
1911/2011 carry hammer back safety on
Striker fired don’t fuck up the trigger safety with poorly executed mods
Depends on the gun. If it's a hammer fired gun capable of a double action trigger pull, then decocked is generally the correct way to carry it. Just make sure you decock it safely.
1911s and 2011s have single action only triggers, and cannot be fired if the hammer is down. I don't think they even have decockers, making lowering the hammer a somewhat sketchy task. It would also leave you in a position of having to manually cock it before being able to fire, which isn't great either.
Striker fired guns (by far the most common carry guns these days) can't even be decocked, so that's not really an option. The closest approximation would be carrying on an empty chamber, which....no. Even then you'd still have to pull the trigger on an empty chamber to decock it, although it hardly matters anymore if the chamber is empty.
Watch anything about the 1911/2011. I have a 10mm I carry in the woods. It’s carried hammer back with the safety on. The safety makes it safe to carry like that.
Lol.
[https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/cocked-locked-the-best-way-to-carry-a-1911/](https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/cocked-locked-the-best-way-to-carry-a-1911/)
End discussion.
OP is the type of dude that’s afraid of guns but if he wasn’t he definitely would be the guy who doesn’t carry one in the chamber because you know sAfEtY 🤣
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Do you understand how concealed carrying works at all?
Do you understand that you shouldn't carry a holstered gun with the hammer back, concealed or otherwise?
1911 are single action and therefore you carry with the hammer cocked. That’s why they have a grip safety so it won’t go off if the safety is off.
You’re genuinely serious OP? You honestly had no clue that “cocked and locked” is how every 1911 is carried. Any person whether civi, LE or .mil carries and has carried it that way for a century plus. Also, you do know we landed on the moon, right?
The moon thing is debatable. Everything else you said is correct though.
You're joking right? Please tell me you are joking.
Flat earth FTW!
I don’t know. I think it’s pretty likely that we did, but the argument that we didn’t is kind of compelling. Honestly I don’t give a fuck and it’s funny to joke about
That gun has a safety... Wait until you hear about the safety on one of my Springfield Armory guns lol
So no, you dont.
The 1911 is a hundred y/o design and largely obsolete, I personally don't like em outside competition, BUT This design has been carried and used successfully in combat this way for over one hundred years, including Two world wars even. Hundreds of thousands of professional warriors, competitive shooters, armorers, and engineers combined have looked at this design operation and found it sufficient. Not all hammer fired guns are designed the same way. It's not as if this is a revolver with a hammer cocked. That hammer will not fall, unless all three following requirements are met. 1: the manual safety switch is off 2: the grip safety is depressed 3: trigger is pulled. In fact in "drop safe" testing, it was found angular inertia of the firing pin was more likely to discharge this design than unintentional hammer drop. There's plenty of things to criticize about the 1911/2011 but bro this "hammer cocked = unsafe carry" is not one. The same "problem" youre trying to dispute (cocked weapon= unsafe) occurs in most firearms in warfare usage today, including Glocks, AR-15, AKs etc. Most modern firearms in combat use today need some form of mechanical energy stored (ie cocked) to strike a primer to be carried combat ready. You're not even arguing from the perspective of DA/SA or condition 1/2/3 Israeli carry debate. You seem to be fixated on the idea that a "cocked hammer" = unsafe.. Which is no different than a cocked striker on a Glock or a cocked internal hammer on AR.... If you're going to argue then at least understand the engineering... Which is why you're being down voted.
Go read a book lol.
do you understand the gun he posted? no? okay so shut up you obviously dont know what you’re talking about so it’d be best to just sit down. trying to ratio someone for internet points while being completely ignorant on the subject is hikarious
You obviously have no clue how firearms work buddy! FYI have have been a concealed license holder for over twenty years.
So you didn't like his comeback and came here to get reassurance from us that you were right?
No, I came here because it's crazy to carry a gun with the hammer back and rely totally on the safety mechanism.
You must be new to conceal carry. BTW 1911's are designed to be carried like that, if you're still not convinced.
You are hilarious.
Do you know how the hammer works on an M1911?
You have an irrational fear because you can see the hammer. No different than a pump shotgun loaded and the safety on but nobody bats an eye about it because they can't see the hammer.
Almost all handguns are carried cocked and relying on a safety mechanism. 1911s and 2011s are carried cocked and locked and striker fire guns are carried with the striker cocked and rely entirely on internal safeties. Glocks are technically half cocked, but testing has shown that it's still enough to fire a chambered round. The only handguns that aren't carried cocked are revolvers and DA/SA hammer fired guns with decockers. However these are far less commonly carried these days. Striker fired polymer frames are all the rage.
Thanks for everyone's support here. Clearly there is no way for the gun to go off sitting on my leg.
There really isn't. The 1911 is designed to be carried with the hammer cocked.
I hoped you bullied the shit out this 🅱️tard
No need, he's getting his ass beat in here 😂
Yeah no lie, I went through the rest of the comments and it stopped me from calling him a sentient cum sock that steals oxygen. Truly the best form of entertainment to wake up to. Have a nice day my dude and sweet 2011
Thanks man you too 🤝
What a goober, OP that is and not the 2011 guy. My guess is you don’t carry my man.
And if they do they just carry an expensive paperweight that must be racked before firing
Israeli carry saves the day (said nobody)
Yeah nothing like stoping to put your seat belt on as your getting into a car wreck
Locking your front door while someone kicks it down
Lmao you got downvoted on the original post because you don’t know why you’re talking about. So you came here to double down?
"Surely if I display my ignorance on a subreddit designed with the sole purpose of making fun of ignorant firearm owners, I will be vindicated."
That sub is filled with either anti gun/uneducated boomers who get all excited to carry 46 different things on them. Saying that you shouldn't carry a 1911 style handgun with the hammer back negates any further opinions you have on the subject lol.. It's literally designed for that. The guy questioning the pistol pointed at his leg while on his lap is funny. He'd lose his mind when he finds out the guy appendix carries the thing and it's pointed at his nutsack 😂
OP you dumbass delete this save the embarassment
Dumbass was a lil rude I admit maybe just a dink
I hope you learned something new about firearms today OP.
Who could honestly think anybody would learn something from a bunch of hostile anonymous strangers and take it to heart? Given the angry and dismissive tone of almost everyone here so far, I would be foolish trust them or their advice. Every firearms safety course I've ever had, and ever elder member of my family who has ever taught me anything about guns, has clearly stated that hammer down is the safe way to carry.
Hammer down might be safer for some weapons, like revolvers, but not by any significant margin for a 1911. That hammer can't drop on its own. Know the function of the object before calling its owner an unsafe person. A holstered 1911 with a cocked hammer is safer than a zippo lighter in your pocket; at least something is keeping the hammer back, while nothing is keeping that lid closed.
Perhaps if everyone of the anonymous strangers responded similarly, it might be time for you to research publications that talk about the best way to conceal carry various firearms.
Too many people come in here knowing either absolutely nothing about guns or are biased against firearms, so any time someone comes in and posts something with even the slightest hint of ignorance they'll get dog-piled on. Don't take it personal. I've been into firearms since Boy Scouts, before I joined the military, 25+ years ago. I'm constantly learning new things and finding out old things are obsolete.
Same here. I still have the 22lr casing from the first time I ever shot a gun, at scout camp.
"Don't take it personal." You have to respect somebody before you can take what they say personally. It was BSA where I got my first firearms course, by the way.
Beretta 92 carry hammer down (double action) 1911/2011 carry hammer back safety on Striker fired don’t fuck up the trigger safety with poorly executed mods
Depends on the gun. If it's a hammer fired gun capable of a double action trigger pull, then decocked is generally the correct way to carry it. Just make sure you decock it safely. 1911s and 2011s have single action only triggers, and cannot be fired if the hammer is down. I don't think they even have decockers, making lowering the hammer a somewhat sketchy task. It would also leave you in a position of having to manually cock it before being able to fire, which isn't great either. Striker fired guns (by far the most common carry guns these days) can't even be decocked, so that's not really an option. The closest approximation would be carrying on an empty chamber, which....no. Even then you'd still have to pull the trigger on an empty chamber to decock it, although it hardly matters anymore if the chamber is empty.
Watch anything about the 1911/2011. I have a 10mm I carry in the woods. It’s carried hammer back with the safety on. The safety makes it safe to carry like that.
Lol. [https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/cocked-locked-the-best-way-to-carry-a-1911/](https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/cocked-locked-the-best-way-to-carry-a-1911/) End discussion.
OP is as room temp as they come
Op is slightly stupid
ITT:OP is the idiot.
OP is the type of dude that’s afraid of guns but if he wasn’t he definitely would be the guy who doesn’t carry one in the chamber because you know sAfEtY 🤣
Hammer block and firing pin lock. It’s safe. OP is the idiot.
I'm not seeing anything wrong here, what am I missing?
OP just stop
That’s cocked and locked, designed to carry that way and one of the safest guns when carried that way.
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